HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-11/10/2003PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
BEN-NETT OltLOWSKI, JR.
Chairman
RICtL~RD C.~.GGIANO
WILLIAM J. CREMERS
KENIXrET~I L. EDWARDS
1ViARTIN II. SIDOR
P.O. Box 1179
Town Hall, 53095 State Route 25
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1938
Fax (631) 765-3136
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
November 10, 2003
6:00 p.m.
Present were:
Bennett Orlowski, Jr., Chairman
Richard Caggiano, Member
William J. Cremers, Member
Kenneth L. Edwards, Member
Martin H. Sidor, Member
Mark Terry, Senior Environmental Planner
Bruno Semon, Senior Site Plan Reviewer
Carol Kalin, Secretary
SETTING OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Chairman Orlowski: Good evening. I'd like to call this meeting to order. The first order of
business is for the Board to set Monday, December 8, 2003 at 6:00 p.m. at the
Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, as the time and place for the next regular
Planning Board Meeting.
Mr. Cremers: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chairman Orlowski: 6:00 p.m. - Petrolino/Graseck - This proposal is to amend the lot
line between SCTM#1000-78-8-16.2 (Parcel 1) and SCTM#1000-78-8-17.2 (Parcel 2)
and transfer 0.255 acres of Parcel 1 to Parcel 2 where, after the transfer, Parcel 1
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would equal 0.918 acres and Parcel 2 would equal 1.063 acres. The properties are
located on the n/s/o North Bayview Road, +/- 375' east of Cedar Avenue, and on the
e/s/o Cedar AvenUe, +/- 414' north of North Bayview Road, in Southold.
Are there any questions Or comments on this proposed amended lot line change?
Thomas McCarthy: Good evening, Tom McCarthy, representing Mr. Petrolino.
Unfortunately, Mr. Petr01inO has asked me to request to rescind the application at this
point. Th~e has been a falling out between the agreement with himself and his
neighbor, I believe you will be seeing this application again'for a similar lot change - not
with Mr. Graseck but wi[h an adjoining neighbor. So, we regret to remove the
application at this point but it will be subject of a new application in the near future.
Chairman:Oflowski: So, that will be a totally new application?
Tom Mccarthy: It will be for the same - yes, it will be a new application. It will be for the
same area. In the rear, there will be a resultant of forty thousand square feet, as the
Board has directed us on the Petrolino parcel, but it will not be going to the one
immediate neighbor; it will be going to another immediate neighbor.
Chairman Orlowski: O.K. So, there would be no sense keeping the hearing open or
anything like that?
Tom McCarthy: I don't believe so, no. I think we will submit to you new maps and a new
formal application.
Chairman Odowski: O.K. The hearing is open and I will entertain a motion to close the
hearing since the applicant has rescinded the application.
Mr. Cremers: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Odowski: 6:05 p.m. - Mattituck Self Stora.qe - This site plan is for a new
7,500 sq. ft. 2nd floor addition with renovation of an existing 22,996 sq. ft. building and
maintenance of a 14,184 sq. ft. metal storage building on a 1.697 acre parcel in the LI
Zone located at approximately 151' south of Route 48 on the east side of Wickham
Avenue, known as 885 Wickham Avenue, in Mattituck. SCTM#1000-140-2-9
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I'll ask if there are any comments on this site plan application?
Thomas McCarthy: Good evening again, Thomas McCarthy. Together with my wife,
Susan, we are the applicants. I'd just like to put up some photos, if I may, in a spot that
is convenient for everyone to see them. We would like to submit to the Board a
covering letter, as well as, a booklet Self-storage Standards and the Modem
Community. I would like to read directly from my prepared comments anyhow. So, Dear
Membefs; Please let this letter serve as a synopsis for the handout which I gave you.
This booklet is a res0it o~: a Study commissioned by the Self Storage Association and
cOni:l.i,Cte'~l by EdonOmilc Consulting Associates of Tempee, Arizona. The purpose of
stady, and toi~cknowle~Jge some of the folks that are here this evening, may have
some i~Oes reg'arding traffic and I would just like to give.you Some industry data
reg~rdiri~;tdaffic.: The purpose of the study was to accurately measure how much traffic
is gen~r~t.b~l by ~elf'stO'rage facilities. The study contains data from ail across the nation
and focused on '15~'~fa~cilJties. The detail in the study, if you flip through your pages and
look.at?the, highligt-it~d ififormation, is as follows: the average facility Size through those
158 f~dil[ti,b. S :was 59:~'1 square feet. Our proposed facility is 30,000 square feet -
ap'p'i-i~tfi~te~ hair.'.-J'he ~,~rage number of st0¥ag'e units.is 553 - we have 235 Aga n,
le~'s' th~fl:~E~i¥: The' ~'mp'ortaht figu're ' ......... "" ' "'
" "~. ' ..... here s the average ~h~cle trips per 100 ~paces is
6.82,'T'h~tli~'on a ~l~i~ ~'b'as's. For bvery 100 spaces, the~e are 6.;92 v~l~iCle trips per day
n~itioi~lly'arid in 'the. N~the~i~t Region is 6.44'. So, roughly, six and a hal~ tri'ps per day
per~100 ~ida~ceS. If you bqui~l~e [hat to the numb'er of spabes treat we have, there will be
15 trips p~r day for oui' ~'iaciiity.
That is what the numbers show based on my own observation of local facilities and
other folks that I know in the business. I believe it will be less than that. This number of
cars is a little bit less than probably what you would see in a fifteen-minute period at
Handy P~fltty in the morning. And that would be for the entire day for the facility. In
additiOn tO the national study, I submitted a letter earlier today to your Planning Office
from a Self Storage Facility Manager that has worked for the last five years in the
industry in Bridgehampton and in East Hampton, as a Manager of Dispatch Self
Storage in Bridgehampton and Uncle Bob's Self Storage in East Hampton. Her
exp'erience shows, because of the seasonality of our area, she would only see a half
dozen cars Come in though her facilities on a typical day.
So, I urge you to waive these - the Planning Board to consider the merits of our
application, other possible uses for the site, and the vast improvements that this
beautiful hew facility and fa~;ade will contribute to our community. I respectfully request
that the public hearing be closed tonight and the matter be put to a vote this evening
and I appreciate your consideration in this matter.
A few other points that I would like to make, aside from my prepared written comments,
the fact that we are paying just over thirteen thousand dollars a year in taxes on this
building. It is a hefty sum to carry. We are looking for a good use that is going to be a
good neighbor and we are looking to be a good neighbor to the people in Mattituck. We
would have been entitled to go for a reduction in our taxes on the building because the
front building has been vacant. We have not done that. We have kind of sucked it up
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and paid our share of the taxes over in Mattituck. We feel that what we have is a
creative, adaptive re-use of an existing old industrial buildin.q. The neighborhood has a
mix Of residential uses as Well as business uses, however, it is all zoned for business
With the residential office zoning, hamlet business zoning, as well as, light industrial.
That about concludes my presentation. I would be happy to answer any questions that
anyone may' have.
Ribhard Ca.q.qiano: On the traffic - you said it was roughly fifteen cars per day?
Tom MCCaffhy: Correct.
Richard Ca'.q.qiano: Is it different on the weekends as opposed to weekdays?
Tom McCarthy: Yes, there is a little bit more traffic on a Saturday and the trend across
the cOuntry, Rich, is that some facilities have even been starting to close up on Sunday
because theY don't see that there is as much traffic generated on Sunday. Southold
Self Storage - I called there several times today. I got a national answering service.
There Was no one manning the facility. There is not a lot of business there. They are
about eighty, eighty-five percent full. If you go past there on any given day, if you see
three cars in the parking lot, it is quite a bit. They have about 70,000 square feet of
storage space.
Mr. Ca.q.qiano: Thank you.
Chairman Orlowski: O.K. No other questions. Are there any other comments or
questions?
Michael Herbert: Hi. My name is Michael Herbert. I did send a letter to Mr. Orlowski
regarding my concern. I have lived in the area now since 1986 and I work in the area so
I am very familiar with the element of the traffic, the activity that is going on and, in my
letter, I would just like to reiterate that Wickham Avenue is used as a main artery
between Route 48 and Route 25 and has been. You know, that and Love Lane are the
shortest routes between the two main highways and, with that, I have witnessed myself
countless accidents both on Route 48 and Route 25. We have the firehouse at the
corner of Pike Street and Wickham Avenue; we have the daycare school on Wickham
Avenue. We have the high school on Pike Street and I am constantly seeing children
walking across Wickham Avenue to Love Lane during the seasonal months. Love Lane
is bustling with traffic literally so - and I - because I work right there in the area and I am
cognizant of the whole area as far as traffic and mobility and I can imagine tractor
trailers now being introduced to the area, you know, the constant flow of that type of
traffic any more than what we already have with the way the North Fork is developing
and Mattituck and Love Lane and the festivals and the what have you. I just think it
would absolutely really have serious consequences to our area. That's really my main
concern is the level of traffic. I spoke to Tom and I told him that if, for instance, a sofa
bed manufacturing company opened up there, I would be more in favor if there were
fifty employees and fifty employees went there and stationarily parked their cars and
went to work and then went, you know - and left - if it were more stationary but with the
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constant flow of traffic and commercial vehicles and trucks and Rider trucks and so on.
I mean, I think that would be a grave mistake on Wickham Avenue. It is a short street; it
is already very, very busy. You have the railroad tracks there on top of it; it is a main
artery. If you check with Sou~hold Town Police and see how many accidents time and
time and time again on Route 25 that there are and, even if they were to put a traffic
light there, eventually then it would only create that much more congestion anyway and
that necessarily would not be the answer to solve the problem of a storage facility
· coming in'there. Personally, I would rather see something that is more sta~le with a
work fOi~Ce wh'ere.'~here i~ not coristant in and out of vehicles ahd especially commercial
vehicles - trac[or trailers, ~ider trucks, things of that nature. That's my - and I have lived
in chat p~icticular area nOW for twenty years and l, personally, for the sake of the
busines.~.disiriCt arid the?ay t~iey tlave beeh revitalizihg Lov~ Lan~, I think it would be
impoit~nt, ltb preserve wl-¢t..We have there because once it is ~oCn~rbmised, you know,
then it Will:.[ust becorhe a~e¢ca 0f congestion and probie'ms, i~t~a'Cd('you for my time.
T'h~nk yOU.
Chairman;Orlowski: Any other comments?
Geor.qe. Lomaqa: Hi. I recognize people here. A lot of people I know. Hi. I am George
Lomaga. [ am speaking fo'r mom. She lives on the corner. It is a blacked out corner right
there on 4:8 and Wickham Avenue. She has cars almost come into her yard. It is a
wonder some have not come into her yard with that traffic light there. Today was
interesting. I went over to visit her and I grew up on that corner right next to K. G.
Brown'S..I. can remember a car accident where a train came through and took a car out
right at'the crossing when the gates were down and, what was interesting today is, the
gateS' came down - they were working in town on the train - and the traffic was backed
up dowr~ t'o the fire house. Traffic was backed up to almost the traffic light in front of my
mom's.yard because the gates were down. There was a cop in line; people were
making a u-turn, coming around and going back out the other way and, watching in
mom's yard out the kitchen window, I said God, if they put a storage facility here
whether it is six ca:rs, seven cars - the gentleman that spoke before - the trucks. The
concern [ have is - definitely is - you are going to have a major, major catastrophe there
with a traih and cars. She can hardly get out sometimes in the summertime with the
traffic. When K.G. Brown used to have the ice machines there, the ice machine was out
froht ~nd people would Stop and pick up the ice and, I agree with the gentleman, it
would b'~ a hock of a lot better to have people come early in the morning and go to work
as K.G. I~rown had and then, you know, five o'clock they would be leaving - going away.
But here, now you are going to have a flow - congestion in the summertime on top of
that. I just don't - I mean, if you guys could foresee what the future is going to be there,
it is grea[. I don't know how you could make plans but certainly it looks like it is a
dangerous, dangerous situation no matter what you are going to do there in that corner
if you are going to have a storage facility. All you can do is maybe just come down there
and See Once in a while. You guys know what - well, Marry knows - don't you, Marty?.
You know what it is like there where the print shop was. So, it is - so, I think you've got
a headache there if you put a storage facility there guys and m'ame, too. O.K. So, you
need to look at that a little seriously, I think, on the flow of traffic and what it is going to
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do. My question is what is going to happen if it gets backed up to 48 if you are going to
have cars when the gates come down? You need to think of that. O.K.?
Chairman Orlowski: O.K. Thank you. Any other comments?
Debra Granberq: Hi. My name is Debbie Granberg. I live at 735 Wickham Avenue, just
on the north side of the proposed self-storage. I have a couple of questions first that
maybe Mr. McCarthy, at some point, could answer for me. I would like to know what the
hours of his operation would be and he says he is going to have - I don't know - two
hundred and some odd units. But, I believe the total that you are going to renovate is
44,670 SqUare feet? 7,500 up, 22 down and 14 in the back? Someone?
Chairman Orlowski: Who can answer that question? Do you want to answer that
question?
Bruno Semon: Tom, the fourteen is your pre-existing space which you will have to
indicate.
Tom MCCarthy: The 14,000 square foot building in the rear is not being touched. The
building, as you see it right there, enjoys a foot print of 16,500 square feet so a portion
of thai on the south side towards your home is going to be - a lower level - be
renovated, re-done, with a new second floor above it. O.K.?
Debbie Granberq: So the two buildings in the back will be destroyed or just nothing will
be there?
Tom McCarthy: No. The building in the rear will remain and the building in the front that
you see with the new building will have the same exact footprint of the existing building.
Debbie Granberq: I understand but, the two that are in the rear, are they going to be
used for storage - eventually?
Tom McCarthy: There is one building in the rear, m'ame.
Debbie Granberq: O.K. The one building in the rear - will that be used for storage?
Tom McCarthy: It presently has storage in it now, yes.
Debbie Granber.q: O.K. So, that will be -
Tom McCarthy: So, the existing building footprint will not change for the main building.
The subject of this application is the front building and that footprint will not change.
Debbie Granberq: Well, a concern that I have is commercial traffic, of course. On
November 5th' I was driving from the North Road to go home and I had to stop on
Wickham Avenue because there was a huge eighteen wheeler tractor trailer making his
move to go back into the back storage - and this was a huge tractor trailer right there - I
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had to stop and I am thinking, well, gee - if he is now having this, what else is going to
come? How many Rider trucks - anything commercial like this. I mean, in this area it is
a hazard. 48 and Wickham Avenue - that has been told before - is constantly with
accidents. I was in an accident there in July - totaled my car - someone hit me.
I also went to Southold Storage today and I did speak to a gentleman there that is
actually from the main office in Ohio and I asked him a few questions about his storage
facility. They have 59,700 square feet - not 70,000. They have 585 units - two are for
commercial use but, ir'is on Six to seven acres he said. This would be on 1.69 and you
c~uld just drive Wy this Souttiold ~Jnit here and Wickham and see the difference in the
traffic. That is another concern. Also, I made a couple copies - i did not realize there
v~ould be so many of you up there - The Eighth Annual Self-Storage Almanac. This is
an inf~r~a~ion ~hd.analysis ~r a' new cer~tury of self storage with the people that are
buying units - sel~ s~rage. 'They would want this. It is like their kind of Bible, per se, and
the humidor of vehicles en~erin'g'[he facility daily, for a rental square footage of 25-
4g,0~)0 is 20.6 ¢~rs. I mean,.this is - I have it here. I mean, you k~o~', I Would be happy
to [1and out - I Only I~a~/e f0ui~ that I Can hand out to you. And another concern that I
hav~ I~ec~use cars, I would assume since there is hot rn,~ch parkin~l'SpaCe t~qere, would
be oh the ~id~ Where my hou'Se is. -~here is no kind of - I had spoken to Mr. McCarthy
on No~,ernl~er ~d ~nd he said there is a fence there already bu~, in t~e eVening, what
happen~ 'if people are gO[rig to be using the storage facili~? You b~;k into the place to
ur~load or Ioa'd so I~hts ~vill b~ shining and what about security lights - what kind of
prol~lem Is that going to be? These are things that I find imp~rtaht but I gi~ess the main
thing is the traffic which, I think, is going to be a big problem a~ter~ just seeing the'other
day that ~rac~or trailer stopl~ing 0n Wickham to back into the f~iL~ty.. I me'ar~, in the
summertime'l C~n't imagir~e what that is going to do to this ~lace:. Thank you.
Chairman Orlowski: What are the hours of operation?
Tom McCarthy: They have not been established yet but we would be happy to limit
them to what is good for the community.
Chairman Orlowski: OK. Any other comments?
Jeff Strong: I am Jeff Strong. I am a business owner in Mattituck. ~ also own a home
that I rent out on the corner of Wickham Avenue and 48. My understanding is that this
property is zoned industrial - is that correct?
Chairman Orlowski: Yes.
Jeff Strong: You know, for me, I balance my assessment between being a homeowner,
an owner of a house I rent, as well as a business owner and, I think the fact that the
property is zoned industrial, it would seem to me that this could have a lot more
potential for heavy use than what is suggested here all be it, you know, I think that
some of the other neighbors have good concerns that would seem to me to be able to
be reasonably remedied with some type of conversation between yourselves and the
applicant. The only question that I had had - and I had asked Tom this question - with
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the whole affordable housing issue and the press for apartments and that type of thing,
I asked Tom the question if apartments were allowed on industrial property. His answer
to me war no. Is that, in fact, currently accurate?
Chairman Orlowski: Yes, it is.
Jeff Stron.q: I don't want to throw a monkey wrench into the application or anything like
that but I did want to voice my viewpoint that, with the press of the need for affordable
housing and with the direction that it seems the Town has stated that they want to go is
to make more affordable housing available in the hamlet districts, it would seem to me
that this might be a verY good way of possibly reaching some type of way that might be
goo~l:for 1~he applicant aR Well as sensitive to some of the neighbors in the area that
p0~ibly th~ second story - I don't know the ins and outs of what it takes to make
affordable' hOusing ,be available on that issue - but you migl~t be able to have self-
storag~ On' the bo~toml apart~nents o~t (he top Which would ease some of the concerns
that $0r~ of the rieigh'bors h~ve about the intensity of traffic and also address some of
the ~ffo:rdal~le housing' issubs. Those are my commentS. Thank you.
Chairman Odowski: Any other comments?
John Nickles, Jr.: Good evening, John Nickles Jr. of Southold. I can understand the
concerns that people would have about traffic in that area. It is a place that does
receive a lot of traffic. There is the Mattituck Sanitation. They have trucks going in and
out of there all the time, but it is one of those places where traffic is expected to be. It is
a road that I use all the time when I go back and forth between Mattituck and Southold.
I take Route 48 up, I turn left at the light there and that's how I get to the Main Road.
So, there certainly is a significant amount of traffic there and that is a concern. But, it is
business property and this is business property which, I presume, was figured out that
is where is should be from past Master Plans, studies and, considering that this is
industrial property, there could be numbrous other types of more intense businesses
there than the one being proposed today, I believe. I would ask you to look favorably
upon this application. Thank You.
Chairman Orlowski: Any other comments?
Anthony Uruso(sp.?): Good evening. My name is Anthony Uruso and I would like to
speak in favor of the application. I spent ten years on a Planning Board for the Town of
Smithtown, most of those ten years as Chairman and, when an application of this sort
came before us, it Was very refreshing and very nice to see an intensity use blend in
more favorably with the community. Here is an opporLunity to take a light industrial site
that could have a lot of could bes to it that would be more intensive to the use that Mr.
McCarthy and his wife are planning here. A self storage unit is a non-nuisance use. It is
probably the lowest intensity use for traffic in a commercial site that I can think of in my
term. So, I wholeheartedly support it and hope this Board would see to favor that as
well. Thank you very much.
Chairman Orlowski: O.K. Any other comments?
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James.Dinizio: Jim Dinizio, Greenport. I, too, ask you to look favorably upon this
application. In the course of my business - as security - I have done a couple of these
self storage areas and I can tell you, working there during the day, that it is not a real
busy and certainly not a noisy business. You know, it is mostly people just coming and
putting their stuff away that maybe they have moved to a smaller house or, you know,
something of that sort or they die and had to store their furniture. And, also, I think it
would help [he-businesses in town because they could store their stuffthere and maybe
they would not have to add on to their buildings and, you know, maybe it is too small
and i have seen a lot of that, too. And also for all the reasons stated - that the area was
chosen for that. i mean, it Was ~lanned for that. You know, you're the Planning Board
and' that's part of the plan Was t'l~at should' be industrial and certainly this is p~obably I
cari't tl~irik of a less intehsiYe industrial use more conducive t~) a neighbor than that. I
unde:rstahd people live the're and certa'inly let's hope that this business wiil be a good
neighbor. 'Knowirig Tom a~ I do, I don't think that he would be a I~ad neighbor. He's
always Clbne everythihg top ~qotch. I don't foresee this bein'g ady different so I hope that
you would Idok favorably Oh this. Thank you.
Chairman Orlowski: Thank you.
Craiq Arm: Hi, Craig Arm from Southold. I just wanted to mention to the neighbors that I
belong to Southold Self Storage and I know over the last year and a half that I have had
some things stored, I don't think I have ever seen more than two other cars other than
myself in there at any given time, that it is usually - it is almost a joke when you look at
all the parking requirements and everything they make everybody do and how few cars
are ever actually in there at any time. I think it is a great re-use of the site and I think,
aesthetically, it looks great and hopefully the Board will look favorably upon it. Thank
you.
Chairman Orlowski: Thank you.
Debbie Granber.q: Has anyone considered to do a traffic study of that area?
Chairman Orlowski: No, at this - no traffic study on that.
Debbie Granber.q: You're not going to do any?
Bruno Semon: We had it looked at by our Town Engineer. It was also certified for a use
that is permitted within the zoning district itself. The zone was there; it was not created
for it. The Superintendent of Highways felt it was no issue with additional use on
Wickham Avenue and the main reason is because, as everybody stated, it is an artery.
It is used heavily for commercial use, currently, at this time.
Debbie Granber.q: But the incidents of traffic accidents on 25 and more so on 48, that
doesn't give anyone to say gee, you know what, there are a lot of problems with this
street. Maybe we should reconsider this or something?
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Bruno Semon: What we did as a Planning Board is, during the SEQRA review, we sent
it to Suffolk County Department of Public Works, which basical'ly runs 48. There were
no comments given from the County to us.
Chairman O~lowski: Any other comments?
Brett McCarthy: Good evening, Brett McCarthy. I am from Southold. I am just here in
Support of this 15~oject. From wl~at I hear tonight, a lot of the concerns are with the traffic
iSS,~e a~nd I think tha'~ would be a'concern but the fact is that it is zoned as an industrial
property an-d wb a?e ~tating'what has al'ready been said this evening but, compared to
what c~uld be put at this site, f~ff'een cars is not a lot of additional traffic. The gentleman
said.be'fore' that it might be be~ter to have, you know, if it was a different type of use arid
the/'~ w~re:fi'~, employees the're, they would be coming at nine o'clock and leaving at
five o'clock which are th~' two most busiest '~imes of the daY. i think fifteen cars, which is
tho aVera'g~ of do,.',rs~, isn't', you know, worse than'that because it is going tb be spread
out th'~o'.",~ho~t the whole day. Thank you.
Chaicman Odowski: Any other comments?
Bill VV~itSke: Bi'Il Witske from Southold. I am also here in favor of this - as an application,
I am in f~vor of this. I am Assistant Fire Chief within the town here and traffic concerns
are, I know all tO well, what we have here in the town and the accidents that we do
have. Some of the issues that were brought up, obviously, are legit. If this thing was still
in existence as a manufacturing facility as it was, they would still be getting tractor
trailers there from time to time. So whether or not we enjoy that particular facet of
businbss, we do hi~ve these large trucks on the roads and we do have to work with
them. If it is open approximately the same hours that the facility right over behind us are
- probably eight to ten hours a day, two cars an hour, sixteen - twenty more cars a day, I
don't think that iS going to be a big factor on that particular road. I am sure that is
something you are all going to look at and as I have known Tom for a good number of
years and I have always been pleased with the work he does and I know he has always
been a good neighbor and he always runs a top notch operation. Thank you.
Chairman Orlowski: Any other comments?
Len Va¢cariello: My name is Len Vaccariello. I own a small business in the area and I
used to patronize the local mini storage Over here. It was invaluable to me. We need
things like that. Same story that I hear every week watching you guys on T.V. now - the
little guy is losing his warehouse space all over the North Fork. We really need a place
to store things. I think it is important. I think we need it. I apologize - the big truck was
mine. Thank God we have only had trucks like that maybe three times in two years.
Debbie Granberq: There was also a Mohawk there.
Len Vaccariello: At the same time. Yes. It was a rareity but I apologize.
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Debbie Granber,q: The last couple of days - there was a Mohawk and then that one. It
was you.
Len Vaccariel'lo: It was me and I am sorry but it does not happen often and the people
who patronize the mini storages are not going to be - as much as I know.
Debbie Granber.q: It looks like people that will use it back and forth.
Chairman Orlowski: The Board will entertain all the questions - no debates.
Len Vaccariello: I mean, as far as I am concerned, I think it is a worthwhile project.
think we need it. I think little homeowners need it and also little businesses need it.
Thank you.
Chairman Orlowski: Any other comments?
George Loma.qa: Yeah, I just heard parking. Is the parking going to be across the
street? There's no parking in the facility.
Chairman Orlowski: George, I know you, but we have to have your name.
George Loma.qa: George Lomaga. I am sorry. I just heard parking - is the parking going
to be next to Ann's place?
Chairman Orlowski: No, the parking will be on the site around the building.
George Loma.qa: Wait, I can't - that is just a roadway along the railroad tracks there,
right?
Chairman Orlowski: Yes, but there is enough parking there.
Georqe Loma.qa: And then what about the front where the - is the front part - is there
going to be parking in front, too?
Chairman Orlowski: it is landscaped in front. I think there is some parking.
Bruno Semon: There is parking. It is on the site plan outside the window.
George Loma.qa: And there is parking across the street as well?
Chairman Odowski: No.
George Lomaga: So that is not part to be developed at all?
Chairman Orlowski: No.
Mr. Lomaqa: So, it is just going to be the facility on the west side of the road?
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Chairman Orlowski: Yes.
Mr. Loma.qa: O.K. And there is a requirement for the number of places for parking -for
the number of storage places? Is that what I am hearing?
Chaii'man Orlowski: Yes.
Geor.~e Loma.qa: O.K. Thanks.
Chai¢man Orlowski: Any other comments?
Michael Hecbert: I just want to reiterate that it has been made clear - even John Nichols
stated that he' uses Wickham Avenue as an artery between Route 48 and 25 and visa
versa and that just proves the point that it is a main artery that is used by many people
going that are looking to cross over. It is the shortest point between the two main roads
and it is most'commonly used as opposed to Love Lane and, therefore, I just ask for
you to consider that and to really spend some time to really analyze how it will affect the
area during Seasonal months, how it will affect the area with mainly commercial traffic
and pedeStrian car traffic and, you know, in light of everything that is really going on
there already. So, thank you.
Chairman Odowski: Any other comments?
An.qeio Stepnoski: I own a small business in Southold. I think it is an appropriate use of
that situation. I think it is a great improvement on the situation we have there now. As
you can see what it looks like, it is going to be a good improvement. It is not going to be
much of an impact on the neighborhood at all and I think they should let him have it.
Thank you.
Chairman Orlowski: Any other comments?
Tom Mc Carthy: Just as a follow up to some of the other comments - I have not taken a
look at what Miss Granberg had submitted to you but, if it is from the Self Storage
Almanac, I concur with whatever the figures are because they are both industry
publications what I have given you and what she has given you and I am sure that is
accurate. If we can do affordable apartments there, I would be happy to do it but,
unfortunately, it is not in the Town Code. It would probably lead to just a little bit more
traffic than what our facility would have because it would be at different hours. Thank
you.
William Cremers: Tom, one question - the tractor trailers - do you expect many of
these?
Tom McCarthy: We don't. We see a lot of people moving in with their own pick-ups.
Occasionally, there will be some people moving into the area from other areas. There
will be. I can't sit here and say that there will never be a tractor-trailer there but what we
have done is we have maintained the loading dock in the front of the building where K.
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G. used to take his goods in a'nd out. We have maintained that. We have made that a
covered entrar~ceway with an air lock on the inside. There is plenty of room for a tractor-
ti'ailer to back in and stay out of the roadway and still allow for plenty of car and pick up
truck maneuvering, around the front of the building and the site. The parking that is in
the front of the building - I believe you have six or eight spaces in the front of the
building and it is a different facility than Southold Self Storage because it is going to be
~gated. Un[ess you have paid your bill, you are not getting in. You can park in the front
but yoh will not bb'.'g~tting into the facility. So, there will not be people Coming 'through
and'drMh~'~rourid a'ndjoy ~ding th~ou§h our facility. It will Only be for our 15aid
cu'sto~rs ~/1~o~ i~vbi~;~es are bp to date.
Wiilia'm. Cremers.' Any though[s about the hours of operation? I know someone brought
it up. You said it is going to be gated. Are you going to have twentY-four hour coverage
on the gate?
Tom McCarthy: No. The gate will be locked down at a particular time that we decide but
there, will be a manager [here full-time on staff all the time to answer anyone's
questions, tb rent new units and to take care of any issues on site so there will not be a
twenty-four hour facility. There really isn't the need and demand at three o'clock in the
morning I've got to get my sofa, you know. This is long-term storage. People put things
in for slx, eight, ten months. We are currently in the local telephone book now. We are
receiving phone calls. I spoke with a gentleman by the name of Mr. Long today in
Mattituck- hey, when are you going to be open? We need you. I said well, really, it
depends on what goes on tonight and he said, well, I really hope it goes well for you.
There could not be a better use for that site than what you are doing. It is a service to
the corhmUnity and we really need it. We are happy to work with the community as far
as hours go a'nd We don't see a need for people to be in there all hours of the night.
Chairman Orlowski: O.K. Any other comments? Hearing none, any questions from the
Board? O.K. No more comments from anyone or the Board, I will entertain a motion to
close the hearing.
Mr. Caq.qiano: So moved.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Odowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries. (The hearing was closed at 6:43
p.m.)
Does the Board have any problems? You know, it is always tough - industrial property
and you are looking at it and I think Mr. Uruso back there mentioned it. When you get a
non-nuisance type industry in a residential area, this is probably the best that anyone
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could hope for. This will go along well with storage for a lot of things besides
homeowners and 5usinesses and the intensity is a whole lot less than it really could be
and I have been here a long time. With that, Marry, do you want to -
Mr. Sider:
WHEREAS, the proposed site plan, to be known as the Site Plan for Mattituck Self
Storage, 'is for a new 7,500 sq. ft. 2nd floor addition with renovation of an existing
22,99'6 sq. ft. buildi'ng and maintenance of a 14,184 sq. ft. metal storage building on a
1.697 acre p'arcel in the LI ZOne; and
WHEREAS, Thomas & Susan McCarthy are the owners of the property known and
designated as 885 Wickham.Avenue, located approximately 151' south of Route 48 on the
west.side of Wickh'arn Avenue; in Mattituck, SCTM#1000-140-2-9; and
WHEREAS, a formal application for approval of this site plan was submitted On October
29, 2002; and
WHEREAS, September 6, 2002, the applicant received approval from the Suffolk
County Department of Health, H.S. reference number C10-02-0008 on the plan
prepared by Donald Jewell, Architect, dated August 14, 2002; and
WHEREAS, on July 15, 2003, the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the
State Environmental Quality Review Act (Article 8), Part 617, performed a coordinated
review of this Unlisted Action. The Planning Board established itself as lead agency,
and as lead agency, made a determination of non-significance and granted a Negative
Declaration on September 8, 2003; and
WHEREAS, the Mattituck Fire District Board of Fire Commissioners responded on July
25, 2003, after review of the site plan, and recommended a SCWA fire hydrant to be
located at the northwest corner of said property for fire suppression; the applicant
agreed to the condition and the Planning Board accepted the recommendations for
approval; and
WHEREAS, on August 6, 2003, the Architectural Review Committee reviewed and
conditionally approved the proposed site plan application with the request that a final
schedule of colors and design of the sign be submitted; and
WHEREAS, the site plan, dated February 14, 2001 and last revised October 6, 2003,
was certified by the Southold Town Building Inspector on October 21, 2003; and
WHEREAS, on October 28, 2003, the Town Engineer reviewed and approved the site
plan and the Planning Board has accepted his recommendation for approval; and
WHEREAS, on November 6, 2003, the Architectural Review Committee reviewed and
approved the proposed site plan application colors and sign detail as submitted; and
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WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to Chapter 58, Notice of
Public Hearing, has received affidavits that the applicant has complied with the
notification provisions; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Site Plan Regulations of the Town of Southold
have been me[; be i'~ therefore
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final approval on the site
plan p~'epared by Joseph A. Ingegno, Land Surveyor, dated February 14, 2001 and last
revised October 8, 2003, and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final surveys with
the foi[owihg conditions and subject to a one year review from the date of the building
peCrnit:
1. All outdoor lighting shall be shielded so that the light source is not visible from
adjacent properties and roadways. Lighting fixtures shall focus and direct the
light in such a manner as to contain the light and glare within property
boundaries. The lighting must meet the Town Code requirements.
2. Plant one tree in the front yard instead of the evergreen hedge as shown.
3. At the new entrances on Wickham Avenue the new curbing and asphalt
payement needs to align all new surfaces with existing conditions adjacent to
Wickham Ave. All required reconstruction of the roadway within the Town
Owned Right-of-Way to be the responsibility of the owner, applicant or
developer.
Mr. Caqgiano: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
I'd like to thank you all for coming. We'll proceed here.
Hearings Held Over From Previous Meetings:
Chairman Orlowski: Perino, Joseph - This proposed major subdivision is for 7 lots on
20.8211 acres. The property is located on the south side of Main Road, 150' west of
Sigsbee Road in Mattituck. SCTM#1000-122-7-9.
There is no action to be taken since it's held up in the moratorium. I'll entertain a motion
to keep it open.
Mr. Ca.q.qiano: So moved.
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Mr. Edwards: Second.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairtnan. Orl0wski: Opposed? The motion carries.
MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET-
OFF APPLICATIONS
Final Determinations:
Chairman Orlowski: Raake, Robert & Barbara - This proposed lot line change will
transfer 2,211 sq. f. from SCTM#1000-113-13-18 to SCTM#1000-113-13-19 and
transfer 2,211 sq. ft. from SCTM#1000-113-13-19 to SCTM#1000-113-13-18. The
property is located south of Westphalia Avenue in Mattituck.
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, the applicant proposes to transfer 2,211 sq. ft. from SCTM#1000-113-13-
18 to SCTM#1000-113-13-19 and transfer 2,211 sq. ft. from SCTM#1000-113-13-19 to
SCTM#1000-113-13-18; and
WHEREAS, following the transfer, Lot 1 will equal 38,387.92 square feet and Lot 2 will
equal 59,220 square feet and no reduction in lot area will occur as a result of the action;
and
WHEREAS, all conditions of conditional final approval have been met; therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final approval on the maps,
dated as revised January 30, 2003, and authorize the Chairman to endorse the maps.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
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Chairman Orlowski: A~lamowicz/Fraser - This proposed minor subdivision will
subdivide a 2 acre improved lot from a 71.4 acre pamel. Suffolk County will purchase
fee title on 59 acres and the Town of Southold will purchase the fee title on 10 acres.
The property is located s/o the fork of C.R. 48 and Sound Avenue in Mattituck.
SCTM~1000-121-5,4.1
Mr. Ca.q.qiar~o: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposed 3 lot minor conservation subdivision will subdivide a 71.42
acre pa'reel into 3 lots Where Lot 1 equals 10 acres of which the Town of Southold is in
contract to purchase fee title for open space purposes, Lot 2 equals 2 acres with
Development Rights intact and Lot 3 equals 59.42 acres which Suffolk County will
purchase fee title for open space purposes; and
WHEREAS, the parcel is located within an R-80 Zoning District and the proposed
action conforms to the R-80 minimum zoning requirements; and
WHEREAS, on September 30, 2003, the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under
the State Environmental Quality Review Act, performed an uncoordinated review of this
unlisted action. The Planning Board established itself as lead agency, and as lead
agency, made a determination of non-significance and granted a Negative Declaration;
and
WHEREAS, on September 30, 2003, the Southold Town Planning Board granted
sketch plan approval on the maps dated August 8, 2003; and
WHEREAS, on October 31, 2003, the Suffolk County Department of Health Services
issued approval; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of
Southold have been met; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final approval on the maps,
dated as revised August 27, 2003, and authorize the Chairman to endorse the final
surveys.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion?
Christopher Calderone: I'm Chris Calderone. I represent the Adamowicz and Fraser
Families. There is one representation that is made on the map itself that states
the removing of the house and also it says garage and actually the garage itself sits
next to the barn which we would like to retain the barn because, you know, it has some
significance as far as the shape that it is in and it will look nice on the property. The
garage sits so close to it that it really doesn't make sense to try to rip the garage down
itself. It is in good condition. I would just ask you to, at some point in the future, when I
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am here to apply for a building permit to put a house on it once the other structure is
gone,.to allow the ability of that garage to stay with the barn itself. I could show you on
the map itself what I am referring to if that helps.
Mark Terry: The removal of the house was a condition from the Suffolk County
Department of Health for septic as well as water supply. I don't see any problem with
him retaining the ga'rage.
Chairrnah Odowski: Is that ail right?
Chris' Calderone: That was it. Thank you very much.
Chairman Orlowski: Any other comments on the motion? Hearing none, all those in
favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Odowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Orlowski: Smith, Diane Alec - This proposed application is for a minor
subdivision on 3.915 acres. The property is located on the north side of SR 25,
2426.68' west of its intersection with Elijah's Lane in Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-109-1-7
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, the proposed minor subdivision involves the subdividing of a 3.915 acre
parcel into 2 lots where Lot 1 equals 85,265 sq. ft. and Lot 2 equals 85,265 sq. ft; and
WHEREAS, on May 10, 2000, the Zoning Board of Appeals, in its Decision #4812,
granted an area variance for a non-conforming lot (Lot 1) following the exclusion of the
wetland area; and
WHEREAS, the Zoning Board of Appeals, in a subsequent memorandum dated
Qctober 12, 2001, agreed to a revised lay-out which is reflected in the map currently
before the Planning Board, dated as revised September 27, 2002; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board granted sketch plan approval on
November 5, 2001 on the map, dated September 27, 2001; and
WHEREAS, on January 15, 2002 the Southold Town Planning Board, as lead agency,
granted a Negative Declaration for this unlisted action; and
WHEREAS, on November 26, 2001 the Town of Southold Board of Trustees issued a
Letter of Non-Jurisdiction, pursuant to Chapter 97, for the proposed action; and
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WHEREAS, the State of New York Department of Transportation issued a Highway
Work Permit (Number 1002-0097) on May 24, 2002; and
WHEREAS, the Suffolk County Department of Health Services approved the proposed
action On November 22, 2002; and
WHEREAS, all conditions of conditional final approval have been met; therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final approval on the maps,
dated as revised September 27, 2003, and authorize the Chairman to endorse the
maps.
Mr. Cremem: Second the motion.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Setting of Final Hearings:
Chairman Orlowski: Como, Louis & Luba - This proposed lot line change will transfer
1.13 acres from a 4.7 acre Parcel B (SCTM#1000-83-2-11.11) to a 3.4 acre Pamel A
(SCTM#1000-83-2-11.10). A 50 ft. right-of-way will be imposed upon Parcel A to
provide ingress and egress to Parcel B. The property is located n/o Oregon Road and
e/o Cox Lane in Cutchogue.
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, the applicant proposes to transfer 1.13 acres from a 4.71 acre unimproved
Parcel B (SCTM#1000-83-2-11.10) to a .3.38 acre improved Parcel A (SCTM#1000-
83-2-11.11) in the R-80 Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, following the transfer Parcel A (1000-83-2-11.11 ) will equal 4.51 acres and
Parcel B (1000-83-2-11.10) will equal 3.57 acres and will conform to the minimum
requirement of the zoning district (80,000 sq. ft.); therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State
Environmental Quality Review Act, do an uncoordinated review of this Unlisted Action.
The Planning Board establishes itself as lead agency, and as lead agency, makes a
determination of non-significance and grants a Negative Declaration.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
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Chairman OrlOwSki: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
'those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Cremers: In additfod -
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday,
December 8, 2003, at 6:00 p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps, dated May 7,
2003.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Orlowski: Schneider, Ernest- This proposal is to transfer .313 acres from
SCTM#1000-90-4-6 (Lot 2) to SCTM#1000-90-4-5 (Lot 1) in the R-40 Zoning District.
The parcel is located at 915 Lakeside Drive in Southold.
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, the applicant proposes a lot line adjustment between SCTM#1000-90.4-5
(Lot 1)and SCTM#1000-90-4-6 (Lot 2); and
WHEREAS, Lot 1 is unimproved and Lot 2 is improved; and
WHEREAS, the applicant proposes to transfer .313 acres from Lot 1 to Lot 2; and
WHEREAS, following the action, Lot 1 will equal 49,591 sq. ft. and Lot 2 will equal
43,956 sq. ft.; and
WHEREAS, on December 28, 2001, the Southold Town Trustees issued a permit for
the action; and
WHEREAS on September 4, 2002, The New York State Department of Environmental
Conservation issued a Article 25 Tidal Wetland Permit (# 1-4738-02919/00001 ) for the
action; and
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WHEREAS, on July 10, 2003, the Board of Appeals granted a variance for the
proposed action; therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, December 8, 2003,
at 6:05 p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps, dated November 18, 1998, and last
revised September 25, 2002.
Mr..Crem'ers: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Odowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
'Chairman Odowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Sketch Determinations:
Chairman Orlowski: Grattan, Joseph & Barbara - This proposal is to set-off a 1.83
acre lot with access from Depot Lane from a 27.446 acre parcel. The property is
located 147 feet n/o School House Lane and w/o Depot Lane in Cutchogue.
SCTM#1000-102-1-9
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposal is to set off a 1.83 acre improved lot from a 27.44 acre parcel
(SCTM# 1000-102-1-9) with access from Depot Lane; therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State
Environmental Quality Review Act, do an uncoordinated review of this unlisted action.
The Planning Board establishes itself as lead agency, and as lead agency, makes a
determination of non-significance and grants a Negative Declaration.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Cremers: In addition -
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BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional
sketch plan approval on the maps, dated August 14, 2003, subject to the following
conditions:
1. There is no key map on the survey; please include a key map.
2. Include the names and addresses of the property owners on the survey.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Odowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Orlowski: Duffy~ Estate of Alice G. - This proposal is to set-off a .93 acre lot
from an 8.15 acre parcel. In addition, a lot line change is proposed to transfer .09 acres
from SCTM#1000-63-2-6 to SCTM#1000-63-2-5. Following the transfer, SCTM# 1000-
63-2-5 will equal .502 acres. The parcel is located on the east side of Railroad Avenue,
365.25 north of Hummel Avenue, in Southold.
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposal is to set-off a .93 acre improved lot from a 8.15 acre parcel;
and
WHEREAS, in addition, a lot line change is proposed to transfer .09 acres from SCTM#
1000-63-2-6 to SCTM#1000-63-2-5 and, following the transfer, SCTM#1000-63-2-5 will
equal .502 acres; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold is in contract to purchase Development Rights on
7.13 acres of the 8.15 acre parcel; therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State
Environmental Quality Review Act, do an uncoordinated review of this unlisted action.
The Planning Board establishes itself as lead agency, and as lead agency, makes a
determination of non-significance and grants a Negative Declaration.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
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Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Cremets: In addition -
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional
sketch plan approval on t'he maps, dated June 24, 2003, subject to the following
cond'itibns:
1. There is no key map on the survey; please include a key map upon the survey.
2. The zoning district is not identified upon the survey; amend the survey to show
the zoning district.
3. Include all listed property owners with addresses upon the survey.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Aves: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Odowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Orlowski: E~ooth, Edward - This proposal is to set off a 2 acre lot from an
8.05 acre parcel. The property is located on the north side of Sound View Avenue,
1,669 feet e/o Lighthouse Road in Southold. SCTM#1000-50-2-15
Mr. Caq.qiano: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposal is to set off a 2 acre lot from an 8.05 acre parcel; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold's Farm and Farmland Protection Strategy, adopted
unanimously by the Town Board in January 2000, encourages the use of private
conservation measures including gifts of conservation easements; and
WHEREAS, the owner of the above-referenced property is willing to voluntarily grant a
conservation easement to the Peconic Land Trust which protects important natural
resources and scenic values and reduces the potential residential density on the
property from 4 lots to no more than 2 lots; therefore be it
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'RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional sketch plan
approval on th-e maps, dated June 10, 2003, subject to the following condition:
1. Please submit a New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
Tidal Wetland Permit for the action.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Chairman Odo~vski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Odowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Odowski: Zoumas at Bayview - This proposal is to subdivide a 47.71 acre
parcel into 6 residential lots where Lot 1 equals 91,226 sq. ft.; Lot 2, 86,235 sq. ft.; Lot
3, 82,606 sq. ft.; Lot 4, 82,635 sq. ft.; Lot 5, 83,210 sq. ft. and clustered Lot 6 known as
Gay Reese, 21,500 sq. ft. and 37.70 acres of open space (to be labeled as Lot 7). The
Town of Southold is in contract to acquire the fee title of 37.70 acres (to be labeled as
Lot 7) for open space purposes. The property is located on the north side of North
Bayview Rd., +/- 200' west of Brigantine Dr., Southold. SCTM#1000-79-4-17.17
Do you want to do that, Marty?
Mr. Sidor:
WHEREAS, this proposal is to subdivide a 47.71 acre parcel into 6 residential lots
where Lot 1 equals 91,226 sq. ft.; Lot 2, 86,235 sq. ft.; Lot 3, 82,606 sq. ft.; Lot 4,
82,635 sq. ft.; Lot 5, 83,210 sq. ft. and clustered Lot 6 known as Gay Reese, 21,500 sq.
ft. and 37.70 acres of open space (to be labeled as Lot 7); and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold is in contract to acquire the fee title of 37.70 acres
(to be labeled as Lot 7) for open space purposes; and
WHEREAS, the Gay Reese Lot (6) is a clustered lot equal to 21,500 sq. ft. Therefore,
the clustered open space needed to satisfy the yield requirement (80,000 sq. ft.) is 1.34
acres. The clustered open space is a part of Lot 7; and
WHEREAS, it is the understanding of the Planning Board that the applicant has agreed
to file a Covenant & Restriction upon Lots 1 through 5 that limits clearing to 1 acre upon
each lot; and
WHEREAS, on October 29, 2003, the Planning Board received a Site Ecological
Sensitivity Report prepared by Nelson Pope and Voorhis, LLC; and
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WHEREAS, the Site Ecological Sensitivity Report found that impacts to the flora and
fauna would be minimal if the project were implemented as planned; and
WHEREAS, On November 10, 2003 a Phase I Archeoloqical/Historical Sensitivity
Evaluation and Survey Bawiew Subdivision, Great Ho.q Neck, Town of Southold,
Suffolk County, New York (November 2003) was submitted and concluded that no
significant prehistoric or historic archeological sites exist within the area to be
develo'ped and no further testing is recommended; therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the State
Environmental Quality Review Act pursuant to 6 NYCRR PART 617, Section 617.7
establishes itself as lead agency for the proposed action and as lead agency grants a
Negative Declaration for the proposed action.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Odowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Sidor:
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional
sketch plan approval on the plat, dated & last revised on September 2, 2003, subject to
the following conditions:
The Town does not recognize the formation of the Gay Reese Parcel
pursuant to §100-24, Lot Recognition. Therefore the parcel is a part of
SCTM#1000-79-4-17.17. Amend the plat to include a solid line around the
boundary of the Gay Reese Parcel and label the parcel as Lot 6.
Omit Parcel B upon the plat and include the following notation upon the plat:
Note: The Gay Reese Parcel is 21,500 sq. ft. Therefore, the cluster open
space yield requirement 58,500 sq. ft or 1.34 acres is a part of Lot 7.
3. Change the reference to Parcel A to read Lot 7.
4. Submit written verification of ingress and egress to the Gay Reese Parcel.
5. Submit a road and drainage plan for Road A together with a bond estimate
for all improvements for review.
6. Pursuant to A108-45, street trees are required. Please include the number
and type of street trees proposed upon the plat. The Planning Board
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recommends that the applicant propose the mature, healthy, existing trees on
site.
7. Submit draft Covenants and Restrictions including:
The limit of clearing requirements upon Lots 1 through 5. Permissible
maintenance activities of the Natural Vegetation Retention Buffer.
Note, that the Natural Vegetation Retention Buffer is an "undisturbed"
buffer and must be noted as such.
b. Language stating that cluster open space acreage 1.11 (to be
amended to 1.34 acres) is a part of Lot 7.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Sketch Extensions:
Chairman Odowski: East Marion Fire District - This proposal is for a cluster set-off of
a 30,000 sq. ft. parcel from an existing 163,229 sq. ft. parcel. The property is located
approximately 367 feet west of Stars Road, on the north side of the Main Road, in East
Marion. SCTM#1000-31-3-11.30
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposal is for a cluster set-off of a 30,000 square foot parcel from an
existing 163,229 square foot parcel located on the Main Road, approximately 367' west
of Stars Road in East Marion (SCTM#1000-31-3-11.30); and
WHEREAS, following the transfer, Lot 1 will equal 133,229 square feet and Lot 2 will
equal 30,000 square feet, pursuant to Article XVIII Cluster Development (100-180) of
the Town of Southold Town Code, whereby the 10,000 square feet normally required
for Lot 2 is being left with Lot 1; and
WHEREAS, the applicant sought to extend the May 13, 2003 conditional sketch plan
approval date for six months; and
WHEREAS, on May 12, 2003 the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the
State Environmental Quality Review Act, performed an uncoordinated review of this
Unlisted Action. The Planning Board establishes itself as lead agency, and as lead
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agency, made a determination of non-significance and granted a Negative Declaration;
be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a six month extension from
the date of this resolution on the conditional sketch plan approval on the map, dated
May 9, 2003, subject to the following conditions:
The 2 story framed house structure located on Lot 1 be moved within twelve (12)
montlis of the date Of this resolution unless an extension of time is requested by
the applicant and granted by the Planning Board. The new location of the
structure must be within the building envelope of Lot 2 and conform to al'l
applical~le Setbacks as defined by Section 100-31 as required by the Town Code
of the Town of Southold.
2. The final map of the Clustered Set-Off for East Marion Fire District conform and
comply with Article XVlII Section 100-181 of the Southold Town Code as required.
3. The final map be revised to include proper size of Lot 1 & Lot 2 and state that in
the event of future subdivision of Lot 1, the yield calculation of Lot 1 must deduct
10,0'00 square feet of Lot 2 permanent cluster open space.
4. The submittal of eight (8) paper prints and three (3) mylars maps, must contain a
current stamp of Health Department approval and must be submitted before a
final public hearing will be set.
5. Please submit a New York State Department of Transportation curb cut permit as
required.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET OFF
APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
Lead Agency Coordination:
Chairman Orlowski: Kaloski, Michael - This proposal will subdivide an 8.3 acre parcel
(SCTM#1000-102-4-7.1) into 2 lots; where Lot 1 equals 2.02 acres and Lot 2 equals
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5,35 acres. In addition, a lot line change will transfer .402 acres from SCTM#1000-102-
4-7.1 to SCTM#1000-102-4-7.2. Following the transfer, SCTM#1000-102-4-7.2 will
equal .9'18 aci'es. The property, is located on Alvahs La., 2,056 ft. n/o Main Rd. (NYS
Route 25)'& s/o Middle Rd., CR 48, in Cutchogue.
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution:
W-HERE,~S, this proposal will Subdivide a 7.788 acre parcel, SCTM#~1000-102-4-6.2,
i'htb 2 lots where Lot 1 equals 2.02 acres and Lot 2 equals 5.35 acres, in addition, 'with
a lot line Change that will transfer .402 acres from SCTM#1000-102-4-6..2 to
SCTM#1000-102-4-7.1 which,, following the transfer, will equal .918 acres; and
WHEREAS, on SeptemlSer 23, 2003, the Southold Town BOard ai:lopted ResolUtion No.
64~Of 2003,~ approving a' cdhditional waiver from Local Law No. 3 of 2002, Local Law
NO. 3 of,2003 and Local'Law No.13 of 2003 for the proposed action; thbrefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board start the SEQRA lead agency
coordination process for this Unlisted Action on the map dated June 11,2003.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Orlowski: Forestbrook at Bayview - This proposal is to subdivide a 37.75
acre parcel into 7 lots where Lot 1 equals 2.5 acres; Lot 2, 1.72 acres; Lot 3, 1.50
acres; Lot 4, 1.50 acres; Lot 5, 1.56 acres; Lot 6, 2.45 acres and Parcel A (to be
labeled as Lot 7), 25.75 acres. The Town of Southold is in contract to acquire the fee
title of Parcel A (to be labeled as Lot 7) 25.75 acres for open space purposes. The
property is located n/o North Bayview Road, 180 feet w/o Jacobs Lane, in Southold.
SCTM#1000-79-2-7
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, this proposal is to subdivide a 37.75 acre parcel into 7 lots where Lot 1
equals 2.5 acres; Lot 2, 1.72 acres; Lot 3, 1.50 acres; Lot 4, 1.50 acres; Lot 5, 1.56
acres; Lot 6, 2.45 acres and Parcel A (to be labeled as Lot 7), 25.75 acres; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold is in contract to acquire the fee title of Parcel A (to
be labeled as Lot 7) 25.75 acres for open space purposes; therefore, be it
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RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to Part 617, Article 6 of
the Environmental Conservation Law acting under the State Environmental Quality
Review Act, initiates the SEQRA coordination process for this unlisted action.
Mr. Caqqiano: Second the motion.
Chairman. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Orlowski: McFeely, John - This proposed major subdivision is for 6 lots on a
30.785 acre parcel where the Town of Southold and the County of Suffolk will acquire
fee title to 24.041 acres for open space purposes. The property is located n/o NYS
Route 25 and the LIRR Easement in Laurel. SCTM#1000-125-1-14
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, this proposed major subdivision is for 6 lots on a 30.785 acre parcel where
the Town of Southold and the County of Suffolk will acquire fee title to 24.041 acres for
open space purposes; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to Part 617, Article 6 of
the Environmental Conservation Law acting under the State Environmental Quality
Review Act, initiates the SEQRA coordination process for this unlisted action.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
SITE PLANS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
Lead Agency Coordination:
Chairman Orlowski: The Old Barqe Restaurant - This proposed amended site plan is
for a new second floor addition of 1,851.7 sq. ft. and an alteration to 3,923 sq. ft. of
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existing building space on a 1.4438 acre Parcel in the Mil Zone. The property is located
approximately 1,953' west of Dolphin Drive on the south side of Old Main Road, known
as 750 Old Main Road, in Southold. SCTM#1000-56-6-8.7
Mr. Ca.q.qiano: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, the appl.icant proposes an amended site plan for a new second floor
addition of 1,851.7 sq. ff. and an alteration to 3,923 sq. ft. of existing building space on
a 1.4438~ acre parcel in ~h~ Mil Zone, located approximately 1,953' west of Dolphin
Drive on'the south side of Oid Main Road, known as 750 Old Main Road, in Southold;
be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to 15art 617, Article 6 of
the Environmental Conservation Law acting under the State EnvirOnmental Quality
Review Act, initiates the SEQR lead agency coordination process for this unlisted
action.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All
those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Chairman Orlowski: Board to approve the minutes of July 8, 2002.
Mr. Cremers: So move.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?.
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Chairman Orlowski: Board to approve the minutes of October 14, 2003.
Mr. Cremers: So move.
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Mr. Edwards: Second.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
C~airman Orlowski: Board to approve the minutes of October 27, 2003.
Mr. Cremers: So move.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Chairman Odowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?
· Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
There is nothing left on my agenda. If somebody would like to say something or spread
anything on the minutes, they may do so. Otherwise, we will adjourn and go into a Work
Session. Do you want to say something?
Patricia Moore, Esq.: Yes, something very brief. On the Zoumas Subdivision, at this
point, I would ask that you forward whatever the Water Authority requires which I
believe would be the Negative Declaration. Their Water Availability Letters were
assured to us after the SEQRA review is completed by the Town so the speed in which
the Water Authority provides those letters will then determine how quickly the Health
Department acts on this. So, I would ask for your cooperation and do whatever you can
On your side to see that this project moves forward. Thank you.
Chairman Orlowski: O.K. Got that, Mark?
Mark Terry: Yes.
Chairman Orlowski: Any other questions or comments? (There were none.) I'll entertain
a motion to close the hearing.
Mr. Cremers: So moved.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Chairman Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?.
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Ayes: Mr. Orlowski,. Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Sidor
Chairman Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Carol.~,,. Kalin
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Barbara Rudder