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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParking Rocky Point Rd 1997LOCAL LAW NO. - 1997 A Local Law in Relation to Parking on Rocky Point Road, East Marion BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: I. Chapter 65 (Parking at Beaches) is hereby amended as follows: Section 65-2(B)(3) (Designation of parking areas requiring permits) is hereby amended by deleting the following: B. The following road end areas are hereby designated as Town of Southold "Parking by Southold Town Permit Only" areas: & Aquaviow Road from Rocky Point Road, Long Island Sound, East Marion, east for a distance of five hundrc61 (500) foot, and Rocky P~icrt~m the torminus south for a distancc of five hundredS. II. Chapter 92 (Vehicles and Traffic) is hereby amended as follows: Section 92-41 (Parking prohibited at all times) is hereby amended by adding the following: The parking of vehicles is hereby prohibited at all times in any of the following locations: Name of Street Side Location Rocky Point Road Both At East Marion. Aquaview Road from Rockv Point Road, Lonq Island Sound, east for a distance of five hundred (500~ feet and from the terminus south for a distance of five hundred (500) feet. Ill. This local law shall take effect upon filing with the Secretary of State. Strikethrough represents deletion Underline represents addition PUBLIC HEARING SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD AUGUST 19, 1997 8:00 P.M. ON A PROPOSED "LOCAL LAW IN RELATION TO PARKING ON ROCKY POINT ROAD". Supervisor Jean W. Cochran Councilwoman Alice J- Hussie Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr. Councilwoman Ruth D. Oliva Justice Louisa P. Evans Councilman William D. Moore Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Laury L. Dowd SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: This hearing on a proposed "Local Law in Relation to Rocky Point Road" will be read by Councilwoman Hussie. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: "Public Notice is hereby given that there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, on the 5th day of August, 1997, a Local law entitled, "A Local Law in Relation to Parking to Rocky Point Road, East Marion". Notice is hereby given that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, on the 19th day of August. 1997, at 8:00 P.M., at which time all interested persons will be heard. This proposed "Local Law in Relation to Parking on Rocky Point Road, East Marion, reads as follows: I~E IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: I. Chapter 65 (Parking at Beaches) is hereby amended as foilows: Section 65-2(B)(3) (Designation of parking areas requiring permits) is hereby amended by deleting the following: B. The fallowing road end areas are'hereby designated as Town of Southold "Parking by Southold Town Permit Only" areas: ~:-A~aaview Road from Rocky Point Road, Long Island Sound, East Marion, east for a distancc of five huccCe~ (500) fcet, and Rocky Point Road frcm the terminus south for a distange of five hundred (500) feet. pg 2 - PH II_ Chapter 92 (Vehicles and Traffic) is hereby amended as follows: Section 92-41 (Parking prohibited at all times) is hereby amended by adding the following: The parking of vehicles is hereby prohibited at all times in any of [he following locations: Name of Street Side Location Rocky Point Road Both At East Marion, Aquaview Road from Reck,/Point Road, Lonq Island Sound, east for a distance of five hundred (5001. feet and from the terminus south for a distance of five hundred (500~ feet. III. This Local Law shall take effect upon filing with the Secretary of State. Strikethrough represents deletion Underline represents addition Copies of this Local Law are available in the Office of the Town Clerk to any interested persons during business hours. Dated: August 5, 1997. Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk.~ There is an affidavit attesting to the publication in The Suffolk Times,. and also posting on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board. There is no correspondence. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you. You have heard the reading of the change in the Code, Local Law ~23. Is there anyone that would like to address the Board on this Local Law change? PETER JELLE"I-r: My name is Peter Jellett. First of all, I didn't quite understand the whole thing. I don~t understand what does it mean this parking by permit only? This has been there right along. COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: It's been no parking, no parking at all. PETER JELLETT: No parking at all. That's wonderful. You know, that is one ef two spots in an eight mile area, that we can actually get on to the Sound. The only one is Youngs Road, which is so narrow that if you park behind the guy, he can't get out. So, maybe three or four cars can park there, but that's it. This is, without question, one of the best fishing spots that we have. I mean, when the blues are in there, they are in. They are not there all the time, but when they are they can be pretty heavy, and the,/ can be a tot of fun- The idea of cutting us off, I think iris terrible. I grew up in England, you couldn't get off the road without trespassing. When we came out here thirty years ago, I pg 3 - PH mean, I have been fishing for forty-five years, but now they are saying they want to cut us out of this. There is no other spot, even Truman's Beach is not a public beach. The State launch area is for cars with boats only. That's what it says right On the sign. So, this is all we got. Now, if we put those signs up, that is the end of it. I know there is a lot of people who live on the Sound. They want to see as far as they can see, and say, this is my land. It's not. It belongs to everybody. This is a big town, and there is a lot of people living in this town, who are not on the bluff. I wouldn't want to be on the bluff, personally, because it is too darn cold. I called the Road Department, and asked them how road ends actually ended on the water? You know the guy comes, they clam, they turn up the dirt, they make a mess, maybe we shouldn't have them there either. Maybe we should have nobody anyplace, you kno~? Put fences at the end of the road, and that will be the end of that. Like I said, i lived ~in England, you couldn't go anywhere. Ri:Yers belonged to Lord Chess or somebody. When we were kids, the reservoir where we wanted, to fish belonged to somebody, belonged to a club, because we would get in there~ as kids can do this, but grown-ups can't. I know what has been happening at Rocky Point, but we do have policeman in this town. Surely the police could patrol this to a point. I have never seen anybody live down there, ever, 'in thirty years. So, you know, you hear these ,.things, and you say, what affe they talking about? I have never seen anybody camping down the~-e. I have seen them camping in Mulford Point. Now, there's a couple of spots in Mulford. Point, wl~ere we go fishing. I guess most 'people know, they are both private lots. By the Grace of God, wl~oeyer, they have. left these things open. Once these things are closed~ the only exit.would be at the park, the County park area, and Greenport 6ti steps, i'm 68 years ~cjo. Sixty-four steps is pretty high. Horton Point is even., higher. I cl.imb up these things at Rocky Poi,nt Road. It!s been a. mess. M0gt of that mess is not crea~ed by people climbing up dbwn,. It's created by water problems, by runbff from the road. I figure it would be a b~g .mistake to pass this resolutibn. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you. like to? Is there anyone else that would REGCIE WILD: My name is Reggie Wild. I live on Aqueview Avenue. I would like to say that I am in favor of this law. A few years ago when this first up I did speak, and spoke about the problems created by the parked cars in relation to getting emergency vehicles on to the road, and the problem with parking the cars in that there is no shoulder there. Today I have a different reason to favor this, because we have suffered incredible erosion in the last two years at the beach, at the focal point where everybody wants to go down to. Yes, the cliff is eroded terribly, and I risk my life to go down it, but the space at the bottom of the bank is only 35 feet deep to the high water mark, forty-nine feet wide. At that point it abuts to private property. So, you have about 1,700 square feet of land where if you have 100 fishermen, or 100 people who decide to use this beach, they would have maybe 17 square feet each to use it. It is very tight, and what will happen, of course, with all the people coming to fish, they will move into private property, and that is confiscatory. What I did was for those who didn't want to risk their life, is to make a diagram, and some photographs indicating where the pg ~ - PH beach is in relation to the slope, and how it measures off with markers. I~11 give it to you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I would like to give some comments. Are you finished? I don't want to interrupt. REGGIE WILD: I have one more comment. The hurricane season is coming, as you indicated. We in that particular cove are suffering extreme erosion of the beach itself, and we sort of feel that by the end of this hurricane season we may have fifteen feet left, if the erosion continues the way it has been. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Before I make my comments, is there anyone else who would like to address the Board? MARGARET JELLETTE: My name is Margaret Jellette. I am sure that the last speaker realizes that even though the road end is only forty-nine feet wide, and there is thirty-five feet to the high water mark, I am sure she realizes that below the high water mark is public domain, and that instead of being only forty-nine feet of road end, there are miles and miles of land, that is thirty-five feet wide, or perhaps some slight variance of that. It is not a matter of just simply forty-nine feet at the road end that we are talking about. We are talking about the entire coastline below the high water mark. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you. ED MCDONALD: My name is Ed McDonald. I live in Mattituck. I do some fishing out there at Rocky Point. I would like clarification of why the parking is being prohibited? Is it being prohibited because of overparking in the area, or access to the beach? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I'll make my comments, and maybe we will clarify some things. I have gone down there with Jim McMahon, and we were looking at different road ends, and so forth, because we do get complaints, and problems. Our largest is Hortons Point, and Rocky Point Road. Upon seeing the liability facing the town with the condition of that slope, and access to the beach, it was a concern. I asked the entire Town Board to go down, and view the site itself. They all came back feeling that something had to be done. Now, at the same time, Jim McMahon through Community Development was working funding for replacing the steps. Okay? It went out to bid. We did not receive any bids. We had the opportunity to go out again for bids, or to discuss this more in depth. I don't think there is a member of the Town Board that is not aware of their responsibility in maintaining access on a road end to the water. We hold this dear. It is part of our heritage. It's part of our way of life, that we can go down to any road end, and if there is water, walk down on the beach. The main thing was the liability facing the town. The last time the steps were built, I understand they were burned soon thereafter. My feeling is that if we are going to open this up as a fishing area, that we should also provide services. Now, one of the problems we have at these road ends along the Sound, and it's not fishermen alone, it's families, also, with fishermen. They are pitching tents. They are using the beach for a public bathroom. The neighbors pg 5 - PH have people come on their beach, and sunbath in the nude, but there are things that any~ of us;~livlng near aL,~r0ad end:would not' llke,,~co see h~ppening, you 'know, be it :below high. water,' o~ above. It's stiU~ doing things on the beach yo'u' shouldn!t ~be doing. ' I -think at' this p0rnt the Town Board, and they are perfectly free to speak for themselves, we felt that one ~B0ard recommended Or. suggest, and it' made sense td- the i-est' of u~s,' because this~'~s here, that right now we do not see the access there. It doesn't mean it won't be in the future. We are not here to take things away from'"the :~ublic ~r fro'm .th~ taxpayer: '~ These are'~ things we all eiqjoy, but.the cOnditic;'n, of..~it is not~ appropriate fbi-:usage right now. Now;. what one ~persc~n recommended, I ~.;don't remember who it~was., that We' were?:send|ng mixed messages, that if we sent a message that you could not go here to fish at this particular time. B, ut, you are allowed to p~'rk.. It's |nvlitlng peopl~ to ~ark thei~&~Wl~ere~ 'yc~C~ ca~n't.gb~to Tish. SO, that is how this' came 'about, that we~ wo(J-ld :put' no park|n~ |r~' effect at t~hlg', pbint. ~l~said,to .~che Bbard today, I think if we are going to make (ta, pe.ch.a, nge) I. th!n? they are just going to park down the road. ED MCDONALD: There is access there. You are limiting access by doing that~ to a seile,~t area,' llke the people who live in that area. They will then 'walk there, :or as I have seen recently, ride their~: bikes. The liabilJty~.factor~'is'stiil going to be there. SUPERVISOR'~ COCHRAN: We have put up fences, the Highway Superint~ndei~t'.~ q~he~ have torn down. ED MC, DONALD: .I have been involved in risk management issues in a 10t of ~different~'.levels, Federal, State, County, City, Town. Not here, in a cliff&lent town~'~ I started coming out here thirty years ago. My two s0ns'l t0bk ~fi~hing then. Now I take my grandchildren fishing. I don~t want to .see' that eroded. I think you have to put a little more time and effort into alternate solutions, than what you are proposing, rather than jugt j:bml~ing 'o~ this, and doing it this way. I will draw up a document, and make~ so,me ,suggestions, and drop it off at your office. sUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I would be very happy if you Would. £D MCDONALD: · I think you are going about it the wrong way, because i what is going to happen, it's going to be first the initial step, and then .th&. gituations with erosion, there is erosion on the road. That i:s goln~ tO be the'~ next step. You have to address the main problem, and jbst nbt~t~y and take the easy way out. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I don't think this is the easy way out. You are the' witness to the fact that it is not the easy way out. ED MCDONALD: Just one thing, as far as one hundred fishermen fishing ~there I have never witnessed· that. You have a law in effect right .now that can solve some of your problems. The way to solve them is call, ~enforcement. I think all of you know what I am talking about. That i's all that has to be done, and once that enforcement begins to take place arid people that don't belong there start having summons issued to them, ahd they are paying $75 or more for a summons, the word will get out ver~ qu.ickly by the phone, don't go to that area, and that will cut 'R~ E~t M~ur~." ' ; NO~ ~ ~R G[k~N ~at-~hc Towu ~ard of~ To~ of ~old ~Rh~d ~ public h~a~ on ~ afo~said Lo~ ~ al ~¢ Somhold ~95 k~ RO~ ~u~ol~ New Y~on ~e [~da~ orA~ 1~ ~L:~ ' J B. ~ [ollo~g r~d end ~ am bcreb{ desi~a~d.~ Town of ~, STATE L Jv Yomu ) SS: CDIINT~_ OF SUFFOLK) of Mattituck, in said Cotmty, being d~lY sworn, says that be/sbe is Principal Clerk of THE SUffFOLK TIM~S, a Weekly Newspaper, published at Mattttuek, the To~n of Southold,, County of Suffolk and State of N~w York, a~d that the Notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, has been ly published in said Newspaper once each week ~t~ weeks ,cc.~. ss_iv, ely. ~ommencing on Principal Clerk Sworn to before me this