HomeMy WebLinkAboutDump Permits 1984LEGAL NOTICE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING ON LOCAL LAW
PUBLIC' NOTICE is hereby give~ that there has been presented to the
Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New york, on the
19th day of June, '1984~ a Loca'l Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to
permits and licenses for vehicles transporting refuse into Town refuse
disposal areas and penalties for offenses,." which reads as follows, to wit:
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Chapter 48 of 'the;.- Code of the'.ToWn of soUthold is hereby amended
follows:(additions are indicated by underline;· deletions by [bracKets]).
I.
II.
as
ri'he Word "REFUSE" set' forth in Section 48-1 thereof is hereby
amended to read as follows:··
REFUSE : '
~. Any. human, . [or]: animal or vegatable refuse, offal, swi'll,
cesspool and/or septic waste, sewage, garbage, papers, ashes, junk,
trash, . rubbish, waste, of whatever mate~-ial composed, discarded
machinery or parts thereof, discarded vehicles or parts thereof and an
unlicensed motor Vehicle parked,· stored or standing outside an
enclosed building in an ·inoperative condition for more than thirty [30)
days. ...
The term "REFUSE DISPOSAL AREA" set forth in Section ·48-1 thereof
is hereby, amended to read as.follow~: '
REFUSE .··DISPOSAL AREA The sanitary landfill site owned and
~perated..by the. Town of '-Southold north of County Route 48 at
Cutchogue, New York, and any premises designated by the Town
Board as [the] a refuse disposal area of [this] the town for. the
disposal of refuse~oy the residents of [this] the town.
II1. Section 48-3 thereof is. hereby amended by adding a new subdivision
thereto, to be subdivision D, to read as follows:
.I
D. Notwithstanding the- provisions of subdivision C of this Section'
48-. 3, no vehicle shall be permitted to transport refuse into any,
refuse disposal area maintained by the Town of Sot~thold, unless
. such vehicle displays a valid permit and/or license required by a:
resolution adopted by the Southoid Town i3oard.
IV. This local law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of
State. '
Copies of said Local Law are available in the office of the Town Clerk
to any interested persons during business hours.
NOTICE IS FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of
Southold will hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. on the 3rd day of July, .1984,
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at 3:30 P.M., at which time all interested persons will be heard.
DATED: June 19, 1984.
JUDITH T. TERRY
SOUTHOLD TO~,~N CLERK
PLEASE PUBLISH ONCE, JUNE 28, 1984, AND FORWARD ONE {1) AFFIDAVIT
OF PUBLICATION TO JUDITH T~ TERRY. TOWN CLERK, TOWN HALL, MAIN
Copies to the following:
The Long Island Traveler-Watchman
The Suffolk Times .'
Town Board Members
Town'Clerk's Bulletin Board
Commissioner of Public Works Dean
Sanitation Supervisor Douglass
PUBLIC HEARING
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
JULY 3, 1984
3:30 P.M.
IN THE MATTER OF A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW ENTITLED, I'A LOCAL LAW IN
RELATION TO PERMITS AND LICENSES FOR VEHICLES TRANSPORT. IN(:; REFUSE
INTO TOWN REFUSE DISPOSAL AREAS AND PENALTIES FOR OFFENSES."
Present:
Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
Councilman James A. Schondebare
Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
Ill
II1.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The official reading of the notice of this hearing will be
read b'¥ Cbuncilman Townsend.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'll star~'r.by reading the legal notice. "Public Notice
is hereby given that there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of
Southold, Suffolk County, New York, on the 19th day of June, 1984, a Local Law
entitled, "A Local Law in'relation;.to permits and licenses for vehicles transporting
refuse into Town refuse disposal areas and penalties for offenses," which reads as
follows, to wit: BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as
follows;
Chapter 48 of the code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
(additions are indicated by bnderline; deletions by [b~ackets]).
I. The word "REFUSE" set forth in Section 48-I thereof is hereby amended {o
read as follows:
REFUSE - Any human, [or] animal ol~' vegetable refuse, offal, swill, cespool
and/or septic waste, sewage, garbage, papers, ashes, junk, trash, rubbish,
waste, of whatever material composed, discarded machinery or parts thereof,
discarded vehicles or parts thereof and an unlicenses motor vehicle parked,
stored or standing outside an enclosed building in an inoperative condition
for more than thirty (30) days.
The term "REFUSE DISPOSAL AREA" set forth in Section 48-1 thereof is hereby
amended to read as follows;
REFUSE DISPOSAL AREA - The sanitary landfill site owned and operated by
the Town of S0uthold north of County Route 48 at Cutchogue, New York, and
any presmises designated by the Town Board as [the] a refuse disposal area
of [this] the t.bwn for the disposal of refuse by the re~]dents of [this] the
town.
Section 48-3 thereof is 'hereby amended by adding a new subdivision thereto,
to be subdivision D, to read as follows:
D. Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision C of this Section 48- 3, no
vehicle shall be permitted to transport refuse into any refuse disposal area
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maintained by the Town of Southold, unless such vehicle displays a
valid permit and/or license required by a resolution adopted by the
Southold Town Board.
IV. This local law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
Copies of said Local Law are available in the Office of the Town Clerk to
any interested persons during business hours.
NOTICE IS FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold
will hold a pul?lie hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at the Southold Town Hall,
Main Road, Southold, New York, on the 3rd day of July, 1984, at 3:30 P.M., at
which time all interested persons will be heard. DATED: June 19; 1984.
Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk.!'
We have affi~ravits of publication from The Suffolk Times, The Long Island
Trav~ler-Watbhman, and affidavi.t 'from the Town Clerk that it was duly posted
on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board.
The reason we are having this 'hearing. is that originally a system of fees
and permits were established by.:a resolution. We were-subsequently advised
that while that was fine, they could not give us any enforcement power-over
said fees or violations of said:fees and permits, so this.hearing is .to~ hear
arguments regarding that proposed Local Law. That gives teeth to that parLicular
resolution.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Joe. At this time I would like to ask if
anyone in the audience would like to speak in favor of this proposed Local Law?
And I would like to ask anybody who speaks today to please use the mike,
identify yourself and speak into the mike so that the Town Clerk can record it.
Again, is there anyone would like to speak in laver of tills proposed Local Law?
(No response.) Is there anyone would like to speak in opposition to this proposed
Local Law? Mr. Homan.
JAMES HOMAN, Cutchogue: Supervisor Murphy, members of the Town Board, my
name is James Homan. I'm a business man in the hamlet of Cutchogue and I'm here
today to speak on this proposed Local Law. Although in actuality the printed words
of the law I don't find that much to be in fault with. I think certainly the Town
of SouthoId oaght [o:Jdentify'the people bringing garbage into the refuse area and
so on and so forth, and issue permits for those people and for this purpose the
Town Clerk has already started such a procedure. My objection to the Local Law,
if you wish to call it. that, is not so.much the printed word now, but the resolutions
that may swiftly follow this Local Law, such as the resolutions that have been passed
in the past and which, I assume, will have to be repassed at this time. Am I
correct in that, Mr. Supervisor, or perhaps the Town Attorney---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I think we should ask our Town Attorney.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I would say that the resolutions that were previously
passed are still in effect.
MR. HOM~AN: They will be in effect on the adoption of this?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Yes.
MR. HOMAN: Thank you,'Mr. Town Attorney. In any event, I am opposed to this
Town Law to this effect. I feel that the people and especially the businessmen in
this Town are taxpayers to the extent that they do not have to be put upon again
to pay fees to go into the Disposal Aree.. I feel that you have picked out a particular
segment of society in this Town, one that does the most for this Town and pays the
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most taxes and you have again placed another burden on this segment, and I
think that this is wrong. We have many facilities: in;:this 'Town. We have our
beaches, our ramps, our senior citizens .bi~ildings, our playgrounds and sO on
and so forth. In not one instance has the thought or any Town action been
taken upon placing a user fee on any of these facilities, and yet, and probably
the most ne:essary of all municipal functions, why a particular segment of this
Town shoul~ be picked out, the farmers, the fisl~ermen,, the businessmen, etc.,
to help--no' help, but to pay, once again what they've already for is be¥0nd my
comprehensi ~n. I think it's unfair and I hope that th~r~e .are some other people
here will b~ck me up in this respect. I also would likelto comment on one other
thing. It i my understanding well over a hundred people, perhaps just~under
two hundr~ people have filled out. a waste permit. Application for Solid Waste
Disposal Permit in the Town of Soutlaol~t, Commercial ,Contrffctor Vehicle. I know
a lot of farmers who filled out that who don't fit. that description.' It also says
on the bottom, ".1 certify that the solid waste will originate within the Town of
Southold and contains no chemicals, hazardous or toxic waste." I defy .you to
tell me any household of four people in the Town of Southold who, in' one week,
doesn't generate at least one of those materials, if not all three, and on top of
that you've~sked the people to sign and then had a Notary Public witness their
signatures./ Boy, you put a lot of people's heads on the line.
/
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Is'there anyone else here would like to speak in opposition
to this proposed Local Law?
AL~PIETREWlCZ, Cutchogue: Mr. Supervisor, my name is Al Pietrewicz and I
live On Cox Lane in Cutchogue. I won't belabor the situation any more than
what it is. I think Mr. Homan presented our case very well. I just want to
point out that I'm very much in opposition to it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you.
MR. PIETREWICZ: One other comment. In the application it says--well, we as
farmers, potato growers, etc., ~ don't believe we are considered contractors, and
that's what the form was, for contractors, and I don't think we fit that description.
Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Is there anyone else? John Nickles?
JOHN NICKLI~S, Southold: John Nickles, Arshamomaque Avenue, Southold. I
oppose the concept of user fees. I'm not a contractor, I'm not a person in the
disposal business of scavenger waste, or anything else, but I am a taxpayer and
when you charge these gentlemen a fee, it: gets passed on to taxpayers such as
myself. My garbage is collected. He has to pay a fee. If my cesspool is pumped,
he has to pay a fee. I feel I'm already paying taxes for this facility at the Landfill,
and when you charge these people here in the room a fee, obviously that's a cost
of doing business, it's in a form of a tax to them, but it's also passed on to me in'
order for them to make a profit for whatever serve they provide. Consequently I
oppose the concept of user fees for the issue at q..estion. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Thank you, John. Anyone else? Sir?
STANLEY SKREZEC, .Greenport: May name is Stanley Skrezec and I operate
Skrezec Cesspool Service and we're being charged--or rather you are being charged
to dump our sewage:into this Cutchogue Landfill for ~he treatment plant. There's
no treatment plant available. It"s the same hole that's been there fore the last
fifteen years. You as taxpayers are being charged for this. I think I'm against
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what's happening here now. I think something should be done in this area.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Richie?
RICHARD MAGILL; Cutchogue: I come from Mattituck and I'm the local cesspool
man, Peconic Cesspool. I'm against the fees because they put unnecessary burdens
on me as a businessman in this Town. Makes me an agent, a collecting agent here
for the Town. At the beginning of the week I have to start out with a bank. In
other words I .have to go down and purchase the number of dumping tickets'here
that wiil'be given .to the Town at a purchase at.an expense of mine. With the
intention that I will get paid out of those--out of that money to b~ returned to me.
Seventy percent of my business is in'billing. What I'm doing now, I wind up being
holding more of my cash. flow, more of my money is 'being held and I find it difficult,
I find it a burden as a local businessman in:this Town. First of all the fee here.
We pay--I have a t~o~thousand gallon truck, and I pay.~enty dollars per load every
day. A penny a gallon, I feel that the selling or' this to the community--I don't
think they were completely aware:of it. First of all, I don't .know' of any other
organization-probably in this community that's going .to bring as much revenue to
t~he Town probably t.han a liquid 'waste industry, other than a policeman, probably,
as far as revenue to the Town, as far as daily money coming in. I think that we
should have some type of a system'.that would be a better foresight, l"mean, instead
of~having--I have to handle money, instead of having to. be able to collect it. I
think the money .should come from probably the local tax~ as a tax, just like as a
sewer, ~ax, as a cesspool tax coming from the--each person would, be not just the
individual, it would be spread out through the broad base of the Town. And the
thing is that it would give everybody would be paying: this fee. Also, it's been
noted here tonight that th~,beach privileges, and a lot of those damp fees that
we come here--people are coming up here-~there are--! have noted to this--talked
about this to Mr. Dean many years ago, about ten years to be exact, that this
were the only tYee dump here in Long Island and this ~time, this particular time of
the year we have now gone ri.~lht:.in.t0 the: full swing of it, we've gone into the
highest type of permit-wise. My penny a gallon is--o.o the cesspool waste--is equal
to lsl!p Town--the fee is---right to a Town that had no fees--~-em~ndous. I ~eel
that the--as we're going back to the village--the beach permits--I feel that those
beach permits--people:would be willing to pay a dollar.or two dollars for the
privilege of using the beaches, they'd gladl~-~ And this doesn't discriminate against
one sector of person that has a cesspool,. I~doeap~;:put me. ~:~ There's t~hree or four
of us collectors, in the Town--it doesn't put me in the position of; holding the money,
holding the am~unt:.of money and hope that I'm going to get return. I tl~ink it's
injust type of law. You tell me something. The garbage man;~ not to single them
out, the .dump is made up--I don't know, you probably have better statistics than
that--eighty percent of it probably' is garbage, th~ rest is twenty percent: or fifteen
percent brush. All right, Pm.saying it is. Do they charge the garbage.men a
penny a pound for every garbage truck 'that comes in :there for every garbage man?
That's what they charge me. For every load of waste that comes in there I got to
be charged a penny for it. I got to be charged for it~. I,. got to fill out a form, I
got to pre-pay it. I got to lay out the money before I even g~t it 'and in the intent--
in the hope that I'm go!ng~to get it. It puts it or~ me. It puts it on, th~ collector.
It makes me a collector, a tax collector here for the village and I feel if £'m going
to be a tax collector for the vil'lage:l should have some part of it. I should have
something to say about the amount of the way it's'issued, .the amount of the way
it's procedure. I have nothing about,;it,, the formi, ng and the putting it t~g.ether
as far as the coupons, it's just one another extra burden on the small businessmen
in this Town, where the program was sold in the b(~ilding;of the sewer plant that
to make it more appealing that it wouldn't be actually a tax to the masses~ it would
be a behind the type situation where people would be picked at individua!ly and
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eventually that these taxes here would emerge until we can use these to form
the sewer plant district down here that we're ~rying to get done. I think there's
anb~her~rwayl, of forming it. If we have to pay a tax, if we're going to have to
build a sewer plant, if we're going to have to spend money down the dumps, let
it come right out and say, I~sten.~-.~p'~'~it right on thee _tax.,fdvm and we'll all pay
it as tax. A five or ten dollar 'tax, through the whole basis. Anyway, I want
to relate to the fact it's because I'm down the dumps all the time I noticed that
there's a tremendous more amo. unt.of people' down the dumps. This has. generated
more work down the dump, we have more people down the dump, we have more
buildings down the dumps, we've got more people walking around the dumps and
I'll tell you something, if this is progress, it 'doesn't seem that way. Thank you
very much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Thank you, Richard.
DAYSMAN MORRIS, Southold; I'm. Daysman Morris of Morris Cesspool Se~zice. I
operated for thirty-two years and I want to s~y this as far as the dumping is
concerned, I think it's .unjust and has been and I also know that if--! agree with
Richie, what he says about every.body should pay for it, not one. I haven't been
in'a Town where you--if you're going to pay for taxes, you're going to pay your
taxes, you're goi.ng, to pay for the dumping and what have you, and if you stop
and realize Southold Town owns one third of my business and I can open my books
to you and let you know that Southold Town, with this cent a gallon, owns one
third of my business. Now, what business can stay in business owning one third
of anybody. Let me get on the Town Board and let me take a third of your.salary,
any one of you that's up there. Hey, you're going to. come up short. And I'm
saying this here, I mean it's a shame when you have to be guilty, like I was, to
hold a bill back and I will mention his name, at the Main Street Luncheonette. Ten
loads, two hundred and fifty dollars .to dump it. Where do you think you're going
go-, a thousand dollars he's charged me to pump my cesspool? It's a bad dog gone
day when you got to turn around and pay for the dog gone dump and you'!?e not
getting anything for it. When they dumped ii-in Greenport at least Greenport was
purifying it, putting it out in the Sound. Now you're not purifying it, just might
as well ~lig a hole and turn around and open up and let it just run out on the
yard. I'm definitely against it and I have been against it and I"ve told you, the
Board, .that I' was against it. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Daysman.
MIKE FLORA: I'm Mike Flora, P U Cesspool Service. I operate a cesspool service
in the Town of Southold. I op_pos~, the law quite a bit, because where;you people
can come off and tax me, I'm a small business man. I don't have tile capital. When
I walk into the office to get.my tickets, this lady's got to sit down and write every
ticket out individually, she has to write--I go in there, I lay;out so much money,
I get my tickets, I got to call a day in 'advance? I got to sit down and call the lady
to have them made up. I got to call a day in advance and if I don't have the capital
to lay out I got to wait, like everyone else says, you know, it's hard, it's very hard.
And they yell at me. You tell me I can't get half truck tickets? They said I'm only
going to give you a certain amount of half truck tickets. I got a full truck, I~m
coming from Orient, say I got to dump it off in the Town, I to charge this guy, you
know, twelve fi~y for air? I mean, it's not right, not right at all in that aspect.
It's just?-I don't know--I'm not much on public speaking either, but, I don't know.
That's all I have to say.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Thank you. You did all right. Anyone else like to
comment in opposition? Mi-. Carlin.
FRANK CARLIN, Laurel: Frank Carlin from Laurel. I'm not in the commercial
business, but I oppose it. But I'm going to approach this 'in a different way.
Why is it that the poor taxpayers has:always got to be shelling out~ moneys? When
I said at a Board meeting once before, Southold takes in twenty-five million dollars
a year, plus around a million dollars for zoning permits and work for construction
of homes. Over fou~rteen new houses were built last year, .plus our civic develop-
ment program which brings in two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a.year. You're
getting close to twenty-seven million dollars now, where the Town of Riverhead has
a revenue of approximately twenty-two million, but only a hundred and seventy-e ght
people more. And now you want these poor people here to make .up for it and pay
on the Landfill' fee, where they pay enough taxes now. I don't understand~ Where
is .the. money going to? Twenty-seven million dollars is a lot of money, but why always
let the taxpayer suffer for it? Why? All these little things add up. You're charging
for yard sales as I mentioned over and over again,; t~fteen dollars, I can't' zee. The
taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for a ~ard sale on:his 'own property' and his own
place. Restriction, yes~ 'but not fifteen dollars to hold' 'on .his 'own property.that he
pays taxes on. But why is 'the taxpayers always have to pay? I'm behind these
fellows a hundred percent. They,should be able--we pay taxes, that should be
part of our taxes we pay in the Town, not extra fees' fQr everything, like there
was on the beach permits,, wanted to come up, but that was k, nocked down on a
legal point-there. I don't understand it' and maybe I never will. [ feel sorry for
these poor people here that are in the business, depending on a living to feed
their families and yet have.to pay out of their 'own pocl~et~, ex~ra money that's not
necessary. That's all ! have to say.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you.
STUART HARVEY: Stu Harvey, I'm a taxpayer. The only thing I think could
have been done was when the original idea. came that ~ve' would pay for dump permits
oul,'selves, as a taxpayer. I bring garbage up there every week and if that had
gone through and hadn't got mixed up, I believe, with politics, I don't think the
load would be so big on these guys and it would have worked out good. I think
that's the only way we can do, is go back and charge us five dollars a year for
those, or ten, whatever it needs to bring down the cost of it. Because we're
dumping garbage the same as they are.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. In the back.
FRANK BEGORA, East Marion: My name is Frank Begora, and I represent the
Southold Town Baymen's Associa[ion. We are all against it. l~/e only have a few
bushel of scallop sh~lls to take up to the dump and we're not a commercial' business-
men, we only work for a living and we're against that fee. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Mr. Douglass.
ROBERT J. DOUGLASS, Orient: Mr. Supervisor and Town Board, I'm Robert J.
Douglass, Orient Marine Construction a~ld Salvage Company. FErst of all, I feel
that you've got us in a situation, of double taxation. You have' our property bonded
now so that y~u can draw whatever ta:~es you need from that to run the stuff. You
don't have to use a few to try and collect~ a little bit more money that won't even pay
for probably the part-time workers. W~ have to pay a fee even as contractors to
cart our own stuff there because we have a name on our door, so if we own a pick-
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up we can't cart our stuff from our private house and go in there, because it has
our contractor's name on it. Beyond that, in your slips you make us sign, as Mr.
Homan said, on the type of refuse that it will not be toxic. I don't think there's
any of you up there, or any of us, who have education and qualification enough to
determine what is toxic, because today you 'don't. know what you're picking up.
They can put something in that is loaded on and it~goes up there and when you
get there you find out, when a man comes around and starts checking up, that it's
been declared a toxic item. We have no .way of knowing that.. We don't know what
toxic items are, so we become, under a misdemeanor, or whatever you want, you could
be jailed for hauling it. This not correct. We should not be a liable party, to such
a thing as that. Now, on another factor, you are charging us--I'll use myself as an '
example, my style of truck, two hundred and fifty dollars for the license, Now, I-
may run five loads a year, but I sti.II have to have two'hundred and fifty dollars a
license or else pay .twenty-five dollars a..Ioad, which adds up to the two hundred and
fifty in nO time anyway, but~supposen today, when I am using that truck that I am
licensed for, it breaks down. I have.a truck identical to .it in' size. That license
should have been, if it had to be at all, so that it. could be transferred to one cf
your other vehicles for use. We should not be locked in. We don't have to license
three vehicles that we aren't going to use, i~:wewas~li~_ens[ng~one. I brought this
up once before. It should be so that you can' transfe~r it to another vehicle that
requires and hauls the same amount and is the same size', to use for that day or
until you get the other one back repaired. I don't believe that we should have any
of it, but I~m saying be given an answer to some of the stuff, tEat.is happening.
Now, since this thing went on, mysel'f personally, running fillr I have more and more
complaints from people because their answer is, how can you determine per year how
many yards you're going to run so that you know how much to charge us extra per
yard, other than the normal rate, to cover that license?~ Now, there's not one of
us that have a chance in the wind of dreaming of'how much business we';~'e going to
do in the next year. so that we can set a proper rate for each individuaJ, ltts going
to cost all of you too, because somewhere'- along the' line all of you are going to need
something. Yoa're going to have to have stuff hauled~='ih or hauled away, scdi~t's
going to be all in' the works--everybody's going to pay and then you're going to pay
us out of your house besides. Now, if you look at the contractors in here, I would
be willing to bet that the average contractor in Southold Town does not clear by more
than ten or eleven percent, at the end of the year. Now, the average--.if you talk
to business people, they tell you you need to make near thirty percent. I'll guarantee
you Southold Town contractors don't make anywhere near thirty percent. If they
clear ten or eleven percent out of all the work they' do, at the end of the year, they're
lucky, and now you're throwing another set of bookkeeping on them, I know' one
contractor's .put out an ad now for a secretary and a bookkeeper, because he can't
do it no more. He just can't id0 it, and so the costs are going. I think it should .be--
something should be donee-bring it back to our taxation. We,re. not grumbling a bit
when you add another dollar or two dollars for out of our property tax. We aren't
grumbling, but charge these guys coming in from out of Town. Put the fees on them,
so that you stop them, and protect the guys here. I thank you for your patience.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank yob.~ Is there anyone else would like to speak in
opposition to this proposed Local Law?
TONY ZENESKI, Cutchogue: I am opposed. My name is Tony Zeneski. I am a
close neighbor of the dump. Through the years. I've lived with the smoke., I've
lived with the rats coming out and I've used the dump through the years. I'm a
farmer, as I stated, but now that you turn around and you're going to charge me
to take my dirt, which by law we have to take because ot~ the nematode that's for
a commercial grader, now we're going to have to be charged again'another fee. I
just don't think it's right.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Thank you. Anyone else like to speak?
FRANK McBRIDE, Cutchogpe: My name is Frank McBride, l'm.a potato farmer from
Oregon Road, Cutchogue. I'd' like to support Mr. Homart. I'm opposed to this new
law. I think it's very unjust. We're not hauling for hire, any of us farmers aren't,
we're just hauling our own debris from the farm, that's only a matter of a few loads
a year. I had to pay a hundred dollars for a truck and I think it's very unjust.
Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Mr. Wickham.
JOHN WICKHAM, Cutchogue: My name is John. Wickham, Wickham's Fruit Farm. I
have two reasons to protest and I understand very- clearly, Mr. Dean, what the
problems are and the problems are with the DEC and we farmers have the same
problems. It bothered me and I suppose that I perjured myself in applying for
a permit because you have to say that you will not carry toxic materials. The DEC
says we must dispose of the empty- containers from insecticides at a public disposal
area or a suitable disposal area off the farm. We're in a bind, and I have no answer
for it and it needs to--! really don't' know that there is any answer for it...It's
similar to the nuclear wastes. There's really no good answer. They certainly should
be disposed of on t'he farm as far as I'm concerned, because we hav.e~-most of us,
a hundred or more acres, and they wouldn't be concentrated; ~':When',,~e.~Zake,th-em to
any didposal area,they are concentrated, and it makes a big problem out of what
might be little problems, irt. the second place it bothens' me that we can carry material
from our farm in a station wagon at'no charge, and have to pay a hundred dollars for
the small dump truck we have. We carry the same material and if I were prepared to
do it, I would have said, we'll carry everything in'our station wagon. Obviously
there is a injustice done to people who have trucks. It's as simple as that. [ don't
know how it'S going to be worked out. These problems arise and I.'ve always said
the world is built on compromise. There must be some compromise in this 'as well.
· I have no answer, but surely it is not right not to. be able to dispose of toxic 'wastes
somewhere, and it 'is not right that 'our business may carry free in a station wagon,
but not in a small truck. Thank you very' much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, John. In the back?
~/ILBUR VERITY, Southold: Mr. Supervisor and Board, I'm.home improvement
contractor, Wilbur Verity, Cedar Drive, Southold, and we pay a good amount of
taxes per year for the use of the dump, as well as the people now we have to
· charge extra to take their things away, so it's a tax or fee on me, plus another
person, maybe each week or every other week. So it's very unfair. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank.you. Anyone else like to comment in opposition?
Mr, Cron,
RICHARD CROi~I,' ESQ., Cutchogue: Mr. Supervisor, Mrs. Cochran, gentlemen of
the Town Board. I too am not in commercial, conti'acting business, and I'm here
solely as a citizen and basically in a particular area that I'd like to address myself
to. The Board, of course, has heard all these gentlemen present here, all speak
eloquently in' opposition to this particular law, and all of which has some degree of
validity~n their arguments. They all have spoken, I'm sure, with the utmost of
good faith and with absolute sincerity, and I agree with their arguments, but there's
an area' that has been alluded to and which I look at from a different point of view,
and that is 'from a. criminal law poin[ of view, a. criminal defense point of view. There
has been reference to the application and some of the provisions in that application
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dealing with the certification that has to be made by a commercial contractor
before he is able to get his license. If you read the language at the bottom
of that form awfully carefully you reach the unaltel~able conclusion that you're
basically going to be violating due process and you're going to be violating
equal protection of the law. You got to realize you are imposing tremendous
criminal sanctions on the person who signs, that form. ]-]e's certifying, not
necessarily that he knowingly, willingly and intentionally may be bringing in
toxic' waste or hazardous materials, you are making it a crime for him whether
he knows it or not that if he brings to that dump any of the materials you have
listed in that certific=ition, he has been apprised of the fact that he has committed
a misdemeanor, he hasn't knowingly made a fal~ statement, but you have m~de it
such, and you have said in that form that when. you sign that~ and there's a false
statement therein' contained, you have committed a Class A. misdemeanor~ under the
Penal Law. Moreover you have. gone one st~p further. Not only' ~1o you tell him
that he's going to be arrested, which of course is a substantially to Day for this~
but you also tell him' .~oi~'re going to impound his automobile or his truck. That
certainly is a vi~l~it'~6n~ of due process. So I think what you've got'to do--! .think
the way that application is worded, and. the sanctions you are attempting to impose,
are extremely drastic sanctions. There isn't a soul in this room that'~s~ been alluded
to a/h(~ could possible know whether a particular material is a hazardous material, is
a toxic m.al.terial, they'd all have to be toxocologisl~s. They'd lnave to analyze what
they're pi~king,up. This is 'an impossibility. And_you're i, mposing criminal sanctions
on a~ impossible situation. 'l ask you carefully review that, because in my opinion
the law would never stand up if you tried to criminally indict somebody.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Jean?
JEAN TIEDKE[, Southold: Jean Tiedke, Southold, and I'm not a carrier, a carter,
I'm just a plain citizen. What Dick Cron said'brings up another point. Several
years ago I took a collection of old pesticides, paints, I don't know,, can't .remember
now all the stuff~ that was in the house that we had bought. For ten years I asked
the County, I asked the Town, what can ~ do with this stuff? Everybody said,"Oh
I don't know? So one day I put it in a wooden box, took it up to the dump as it
was then called, and gave it to the man in charge, and I said, "1 don't know what
to do with ~[h~s, I do; not want to put it in'the dump." 'He laughed. It probably
ended up in the dump. What are the criminal sanctions about individual dumping
of that kind of poison? Have you considered that? A lot of household items are
very. dangerous. ~ ~ .
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you.,: :Jean. Any other, comments? In the back, Mr.
Thompson.
ELWOOD THOMPSON, Cutchogue: I'm a .taxpayer of Southold, Elwood Thompson. We
have four rigs we had to pay for and I don't think it's fair 'to pay again and I had
to hire a garbage man to take my garbage.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Are. there any other comments?
MARTIN SUTER, Mattituck: Mr. Supervisor, members of the Board, my name is
Martin Surer, I reside at New Suffolk Avenue, Mattituck. l'm going to take a little
different tact, in view of my background in regard to public service and the courts.
I want to. compliment the Board. for making improvements at the Town Dump and I
was hoping that it 'was done with the .thought and policy of encouraging people to
use the Town Dump, rather than our public highways and our so-called refuse disposal
containers in the villages and along the highway. I don't know how many of you own
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property along the roads going to the dump, but I think if you do, you've done
some cleaning up. I think if you see in the refuse containers in the villages, and
if you've tried to walk by them closely, you know that there's a lot of garbage put
in there by people who feel .that going to the dump is a problem. I don't know what
you think it will cost to run the dump, I haven't seen any figures. I think if you
are trying to regain the cost of operating the dump, that's commendable, but I think
we should know what it costs to operate it and then tell us who has to pay what to
reimburse the cost. I also think that control has' been there=for, a~long time. To tell
me that you need this to control, when you already have a law on the books since
1948 saying that no one could use the dump without a .permit, then either you didn't
follow that up, or there was no enforcement~ because it already says in the law, that
nol~.cly can use the dump without a permit.. I think the intent of previous.Tow~ Boards,
and I would hope of this one, is that you don't want out of town garbbge at any cost.
You don't have room for it. We barely have room .for our own. Therefore you don't
want out of town garbage. The control of it, if a landscaper has a sticker on his
truck and goes to Jamesport or Aquebogue and gets a load of refuse, you can ask
him for an affidavit When it brings it to the dump, .as to where he got that. Is he
going to indict himself and swear that yes,' I got this in Jamesport, please give me
a summons? I think when you can fine'him two hundred and fifty dollars. I think
when you tell him and/or fifteen days in jail.' I don't know what more control,.¥ou
need than to tell a person, you know, .you' can go to jail. I don't t. hink anybody
here wants to go to jail for one day, much less fifteen days. I think the control
has been there, I think you have the. control. I don't think if your intent is to
get the money back, then certainly the small fees you!re charging for:the cost of
operating that place, is not going .to do it. I think you should think twice about
Sunday night, of the people who already, when the dump is closed, throw their
stuff on the side of the road. Take a. ride on Cox Lane a few times Monday mornings
and 'see what's there. If you're going to charge, you are going to find~ii~s going to
cost a lot more to clean up our Town ,highways. We're a pretty clean Town now.
The people ought to be complimented for using the Town Dump, for voluntarily
going there and disposing of it in one place, Cleanly and under control. Now to
tell them that you're going to have to pay ;for this is going to cause quite a few
of them--and it only takes about eight or ten percent of the people to break the
law, to make a mockery of it and to cause the taxpayers an additional expense,
plus the mess you're going to have in this iTown when these people start dumping
it all over. It's happened before and it will happen again=and I hope you will not
compound it by adop[ing these charges. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Marry. Is there anyone else here would like
to speak in opposition to this proposed Local Law? [No response..). Anyone like
to make any comment at all,on the proposed? Mr, Bear?
FRANKLIN BEAR, Southold: My name is Franklin B~-ar. I'd like to clarify some
things. I'm.not speaking here pro or con. I didn't hear the fee mentioned in
what Joe Townsend 'read at all. Is that in'the law?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: The word was mentioned.
MR. BEAR: It was mentioned? How would this change what you are doing now?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: It allows us to legally enforce those fees that were set
down by resolution some three months ago, two months ago.
MR. BEAR: It does not change the fees, however.
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: It doesn't increase the fees, no.
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iPERVISOR MURPHY: Mrs. Tiedke?
),.5. TIEDKE: Jean Tiedke again. Perhaps this is one of those occasions when
would be advisable to hold this hearing open for a week or two for written
mments from some of these people, and perhaps others who are not in attendance.
IPERVISOR MURPHY: In the back, sir?
LBUR VERITY: Wilbur Verity again. Just a short comment. We also were charged
fifty dollars for only seven months dumping and it's only good to the first of the
y~ar. These permits are not good for a year from the time you pay your fifty dollars,
s~ we're not being charged fifty dollars a year, you're being charged 'more than fifty
dlllars a year~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Jim?
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~R. HOMAN: Frank, just one additional, comment, not to leave Frank Bear's comments
hanging in the air. What Frank alludes to has_ been done by resolution, and what of
course has been done by resolution could possibly be undone by resolution.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Richie?
RICHARD MAGILL: Yes, just a--just a clarification. Clarification is the part that
we spoke about before is one that I believe that, of course I am in a commercial
business. I believe that I should pay a fee. The thing is that what I'm saying
here as representing the liquid waste i'ndustry in this Town, is that I feel that
the procedure of making me the collection agency for the Town is wrong, and the
way that the particular fee is administered to the individual, rather than spread
out on a broad base to the population, as actually what it is, it's a Town users or
dumping fee or for using the dump. I think the terminology here is that I feel that
has to be a usage and that should be spread out through the whole Town, rather
than just to make selective areas' like for example you pay because you're cesspool:~
is trouble; you have to pay because you have to get your building torn down; you
have to pay because--! think that clarification should be worked on a little more and
the thing is if it's in the Landfill site and the thing is that it is :a facility for the
Town and is for the people here, I think it should be put as a tax, rather than
as a fee. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Rich. Any other comments at all on this?
(No response.) Any Town Board members would like to comment?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Well, I'm.n~t sure if it's appropriate to comment. I'm
not going to speak for an against, I'm just saying that it's--obviously with the
peop(e here it's a very unpopular proposal since we haven't had anybody speak
for it, and quite a few people speak against it. Basically, on behalf of myself,
and I think the rest of the Town Board, thank you for coming. We have had
reason to institute the resolution because of the mandates by the DEC, and precedents
set by other towns. What I think we're going to do now is 'to go back and evaluate
a lot of the testimony that we've heard here and actually previous to this we had a
meeting with some other cohtractors and a lot of good ideas.w~re brought up. No
one may be totally happy with what we come up with, but I think that we can come
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up with a better plan than we have now and I think that's what the Town Board
is going to attempt to do. That's all I have, Frank~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay. Paul? (Nothing.) Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Just a clarification. I don't see fees mentioned in
this also. It refers to permits and licenses, but it doesn't anywhere--and you can
have a permit and a license without a fee~ I agree with Frank, I do not see fees
in' here anywhere as far as the Local Law.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They~'~-e not.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRA~I: So that would be passed by a resolution, the amount
the fees would be; after the Law is passed?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The fees are established now. This Local Law was to
be able to enforce the fees that have been established by a Town Board resolution.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Where?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: But this doesn't relate to fees.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: No, it relates to permits and licenses. It says that
you must have a permit or license to bring a vehicle in to dispose of refuse in the
Town Landfill, and it imposes a penalty for failure to have the permit or the license,
and it 'says that the license is issued by a Town Board resolution. Now, the resolution
actually imposes the fees.
COUNCILWOMA~I COCHRAN: Okay, all right, thank you..,
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'm sorry, I thought I read a fee.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Judge Edwards?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Well, I'd offer for you to come over to F~[shers Island, but
we haven't got room for you all over there. We don't have any permits needed for
our landfill operation. The landfill operation is still--don't know how long we can
get away with doing the way we're doing it. We are in a unique situation over
there, but i think perhaps the cesspool pumpers here should have the customers get
the fees before they call you. Have them come down and get the fees~ and in that
way you won't have to hold the money up. And then if the people realize how much
it's going to cost, then maybe they'll put the proper systems in. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul, you wanted something?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I just wanted--~he word "toxic waste" has been
brought up here by a few people, and when out landfill was first started, this
new building, I thought this would be the ideal time to set up an area off to the
side that someone who had a material that they thought, or even thought it wa~s
toxic, it could be put and set aside and then we could go ahead and perhaps take
it to a disposal toxic area someplace. In other words, do it all at one time. So I
called DEC and as you well know, nothing is simple in this world. And I got the
greatest run-around that you'd ever imagine so far that I just gave up on it, but
I have just recently, ~ronically.tl~s-;cam~. i~ the~mail just a few days ago, from
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H2M, which is a consulting firm, and a person has given a talk on hazardous
materials, and one of the thing she discusses is is design of hazardous material
storage facilities and I have a;;li~ttle note here, try to call them, see if we can get
a copy of it, and perhaps we can set up in our ·thing, without the DEC, a hazardous
storage facility. So all I'm trying to say is nothing is simple in this world the way
it used to be. It's very'complicated. I think we can understand your problems. I
have a son, I think you.~'reali~e', he has about four trucks on the road. I hear it
from the other side also.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay~ thank you. -At.this time again I~d like to thank
everybody for coming out. I think John Wickham made the one comment,.' I think,
that is most appropriate and that was comp¥omise. These things can. be worked
out. True, ·we're not talking--most people did' not address the Local Law, so to
speak, we were talking about fees. This can compromised. I would like to also
just to comment to the people that the ground breaking was held yesterday; in'
Greenport, for the new septic ·waste treatment plant, so hopefully we will· not be
continuing dumping. Should;.be, hopefully, on l. ine in fifteen to eighteen months,
and operating. To give you a Ii.ttle idea of the amount of septic waste that's .
generated, tl:iree hundred and twenty-f~ve thousand gallons were brought into the
landfill·this last month alone. This is why these problems are getting very acute.
We are addressing them. Nobody has a complete answer .and John's statement of
compromise I 'think is the best with all aspects of the .people. So at this time I
would like to recess this ·public hearing so that.; we can' get comments. 'We'l'l take
wri'tten comments to the Town Board, address them to the Town Board or the
.-~own Supervisor, by July 17th, which is the date of lout next meeting, at which
time we hope to act on this Local Law. Again, thankI you.
QUESTION: is that meeting in the evening? i
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is a scheduled afternoo~lmeoting. I'm sorry, Frank.
This was a make?up meeting. Okay, I'd like a resol.c~tion to recess.
Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that this public hearing be and hereby is recessed at 4:25 P.M., to
reconvene at 3:25 'P-M., Tuesday, July 17, ·1984.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED,
~-/ /Judith T. Terry ~/
Southold Town Clerk
RECONVENED PUBLIC HEARING
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
JULY 17, 1984
3:25 P.M~
IN THE MATTER OF A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW ENTITLED, "A LOCAL LAW IN
RELATION TO PERMITS AND LICENSES FOR VEHICLES TRANSPORTING REFUSE
INTO TOWN REFUSE DISPOSAL AREAS AND PENALTIES.FOR'OFFENSES."-
RECONVENED FROM 3;30 P.M. PUBLIC~EAR'IJ~G ON JULY' 3, 1984.
Suplerv~sor Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Councilman Paul' Stoutenburgh
Councilman James iA. Schondebare
CoUncilwoman Jean W. Cochran
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The f~rst one is to reconvene a public hearing on July
17, 1984 at 3:25 P.M., Southold Town Hall, on a Local Law in relation to permits
and licenses for vehicles transporting refuse into Town refuse disposal areas and
penalties for offenses. We had this public hearing two weeks ago and we recessed
it for written comments for the next two weeks. We have received no written
comments.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: We received one in favor.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Oh, I~m sorry~ we do have one in favor from A John Strong:
"As a Southold taxpayer, I'm in favor of landfill user fees. It seems that those who
oppose these fees are those who wish to dump commercial amounts of waste at the
landfill without paying for that privilege. While it might be proper to differentiate
between "contractors" and other "commercial users," it is only fair that those who
dump more, pay more. If aser fees are not adopted and enforced, then it will be
the non-commercial public w~o will, in effect, be subsidizing commercial' dumping.
It is erroneous to think that a user fee represents a double taxation for commercial
interests. It is simply and 'rightly a tool dresigned to adjust the amount one pays
for a town service relative to the individual use of that service. John M. Sti-ong."
Again, this public hearing was not on user fees, it was on the enforcement of
a code, so at this time--Bob, this public hearing is 'closed now, right?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Up. to t~ie Board.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Do you want to take additional information? It was
advertised. I'd like to poll the Board. Ray, do you want to take additional
public comments at this time?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: I would like to, yes.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jean?
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COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Yes.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul?
coUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Sure.
SUPERVISOR MUR-PHY: Joe?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: With the hope that it would be .new information and
notI merely a reiterating of what somebody said already.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay. Jay?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: What did we advertise it as? Written comments only?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes. Written comments.
COUNClLMANS CHONDEBARE: For written comments only. No.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It appears that we're outrnumbered~ Jay, and so I will
open it up and ask again if there's any comments. I would 'like to remind the
people that you're commenting on a Local Law on the enforcement of a law and
not on the 'amount of fees or anything to do with fee structure. So if there's .
anyone would like to speak in favor of this Local Law, please stand or raise
their hand. Use the mike and give your name and address.
MRS. JEAN TIEDKE, Southold: I'm in favor of the local ordinance.
SUPERVI'$OR MURPHY: Thank you.
MR. STUART HARVEY, Southold; I think we're right back where we are with
that thing,, Maybe I'm out of step on it,' but the Town had originally designed
to have stickers for the dump, stickers for the beaches. The beaches are getting
smaller, and I think there should be fees for us all dumping. I have a sticker on
my car and I go up and dump or I even dump with the pick-up and I think if the
people who are. the users, like I am, as well as the commercial ones, we should have
a set fee, annual and the other fee, [ mean, would have to come in on a commercial,
but I think this thing was going good until it got to be a political issue and it got
kicked out. I think this 'is what this Town is going to have to face sooner or later.
They want decent beaches or a dump.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Anyone like to speak in' favor of this proposed
Local Law? Mr. Bear.
MR. FRANK BEAR, Southold: I want to repeat my support-for this proposed law
and I think that the opposition to it is based on a concern on the part of a number
of small dumper, of indivi.duals who want to get the benefit of the ri'own Dump at
the expense of the rest of us. I'm in favor of the law.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, is there anyone else like to speak in favor?
MR. JAMES HOMAN, Cutchogue: Frank, this is neither in favor or against. I
would like the Town Clerk to please read the public notice that allowed further
spoken comments at this meeting.
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COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I agree.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: There was no public notice for this reconvened hearing.
MR. HOMAN: There was a public notice setting a time, date and place for a
public hea~ing for public input. The fact that you recessed that hearing for
written comments, and it was my understanding, written comments' only, leads
me to believe that any further, comments ~ocal,on,this.thing is very much out of
order. [ do believe that the Town Board has approached this--or at least some
members of the Town Board,. have approached this as they have approached this
whole thing to begin with. and that's .wh¥..we have this.mess.. The fact .if you'll
also, when you get your public'minutest I hope each one of you"Town Board
members reads them very carefully, because you know, it_ didn't used 'to be when
we had a public hearing--~e asked the public'for input, but at .this public hearing
that you had, when you got through, wi.th the public last meeting, you also asked
the Town Board for their input too. I thi~k this 'is 'very unusual-. ; I~_;th'ihk:this
wh~le thing--again, I have to question the level of intelligence who put this whole
thing together.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank yOu for your comments. I wanted to limit it myself,
but we have opened itj at the request of the members of the Town Board. Is there
anyone else .would like to speak in favor? (No response.) At this time, is there
anyone would like to speak in opposition to the proposed Local Law, and I would
like the comments on the Local Law. John Nickles.
MR. JOHN NICKLES, Southold: I made my comments at the last hearing. I think
it's a disgrace that we have 'a public hearing, people take off from work to come
down here and give their opinions and t. hen you find out after you leave the meeting
it's recessed and you have to take another .time off from work. But I'd just like to
have my comments reiterated from .the previous hearing.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else like to comment? (No response.) Anyone
like to comment at all?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Frank, ~ have a point of clarification. As the Board
is aware, I am presenting a resolution this afternoon to rescind landfill fees. Will'
I have the opportunity at that time to speak in relation to the resolution?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Certainly.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Okay, .~r.hank you.~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
Law? (No response.)
hearing.
Anyone else like to comment at all on the proposed Local
All right, at this time I would li;ke to close this public
;Judith T. Terry
Southold Town Clerk
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~e~'plee:48~'f the'C6~e of
Of SOUthOM ~s&ereby
a~eat~d 4by ,undone
I ,The~&~¢-cREFUS~ s
here~[mendeB to ~ ~ad~ ~
mau;}o~j~a~al or vege~ble
and qr, se~c,~t~ ~ sewage.
garble, gapem}.
ever~ ateff~l c~moosed:] .~-
thereof3&~Zarded .x'eMeles .or
pa~e~ot~nB an ~cens-
ed ~o~ ~efi~ele par~edr.s ~-
enclmed~b~tR~g m aaauoper-
seda~
Ro~te.14g{,at'~uteh0~;~ New ,
Y~and ' ~re~es dOsig- '
n~a ~ara' as ':
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
STATE OF NEW YORK
Patricia Wood, being duly sworn, says that she is the
Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMAN,
a public newspaper printed at Southold, in, Suffolk County;
and thor the notice of which the annexed is a printed copy,
has been published in said Long Island Traveler-Watch-
man once each week for ......................... ~ ........ ..~weel~
successively, commencing on the ............. ...'~...~....~... .........
Sworn to before me this ...............~....~....~... ..... day of
.................. .............
Notary Public
BARBARA FORBES
Not~xy Public, 8t~te of New York
Iqo. 480fi846
Qualified hi Bur. folk County
Commis~i°n F~pire~ Marck 30, 19
sul~li~ihi~m C
of ~ls,Secuon 48-3. no~ehi¢l¢
~..~s' total law ~
5et~eur~ :.t' S~,e {'c.~O of
~t the ~wn Bo~of thO[,'
~ ~ Southold wilt hold
p~hc ~amg on the ~said~
Lm~ La~ 'at t~ ~old~
To~h Hall Main
old,: New ~ork, on ~d ~y~
whi~ fim~ all ~tere~ pe~-~
sons w~ be' heard.
SO,HOLD TO~ ~ERK~
1T-6/28/~(~)