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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSchick, Nicholas - DeniedWe moved Schick Realty International, Ltd. 350 Fifth Ave., Empire State Building (Suite 5620) New York, NY 10118 Tel. (212) 947-3200 Telex: 427112 UI RECEIVED F£8 0 [ Janus,fy 31~ 19~°] Orient ?eint, ~. Y. Town CJe~ Southbkl m,,~t ti~ of the ~Tofth Forl ~a~e been con~ervin~; w{ter as a way of life, ;1,:a~e ~n't r,.n ~e .ater", an~ "Skower with ~ frieng." I ~ubt if %hi~ a [vice wr,t]l~ be w~ll received by }[~. Schick'a (Orient Point Inn) nest%,. The situation i~ furih,~r c' ~r~,~,l'~cated :.:~ REalLY ,~nique ~[.h, r l~c',ti:~ns [n 5~uth,~] ~ Tr.-n, have sh.z~ed tbs:, ~i)-~v~ ~PO..lC:XL. h:]]',le:~ 1,}akl~z~. lnt~ our ]mca1 water ne~rby whore ,)ur [e-,el.)r,;::r~t i1 r:a' -)- tb r,)rt '~)rk. i h~,. r"Z~t' Wi]] CU,l )rt th~ prcpo~-ed m~r)gc~?ium l",r a minimun of ~ niniscu]~ request--and feel theft :'e~i,~qsible anJ ~nf'ormed eom, UrLity input (inc]u,i]n~' ~hc N )rth [2.~rk- Environmental Council) qe-.7~mible lew'lmpme,~t c~ ne% come v, ith]u% car~['ul re~earch. like, but OUr gtt~L~re ~'~ the futtre of our children 4epen~ on ~t. ~fe are not ju.:t t,.]klnrf ,~bout the s,_)ec.i~l quality of life which we have enjoyeg l]ce xJ olns,~n '-','v~v ~ 60' ............... NEW YORK STA'"IL ~'~,//'~OLD j ........ LEGISLATIVE COMMISSION ON WATER IqESOURCE NEEDS OF LONG ISLAND January 25, 1983 Honorable William R. Supervisor Southold Town Hall 53095 Main Road Southold, N.Y. 11971 Pell III Dear Bill, In the January 12th issue of the Environmental Notice Bulletin there appeared a positive declaration regarding the application by Nicholas Schick for a change in zone from A residential and agricultural district to M1 general multipal residence district on properties at Orient. I would greatly appreciate it if you would forward to our Commission a copy of the DEIS once it has been completed. As I'm sure you are aware, the Commission is extremely interested in any issues that may have a significant impact on our groundwater resources, and would like to go on record as being a party in interest to this particular proposal. I would also like to offer to you and the Town Board any assis- tance the Commission may be able to provide, with respect to technical data regarding groundwater contamination. I appreciate your help and look forward to seeing you in the near future. GP:dmc CC ./ Sincerely yours, George Proios, Co-Executive Director ~Own Cler~ Soul[old 1830 Greenway East Orient, New York 11957 Mr. Lawrence I.Iurdock, Jr. Councilman Town of Southold Sou~hold, [~ew York 11971 Dear k]r. [.lurdock: Enclosed find a copy of a newspaper clipping from the N.Y. Times, concerning an area which seems uo have similarities to the north fork, and especially, Orient. We do not want this to happen to Orient! Please keep thzs in mind when you consider the zoning laws of Orient. As you Know, many Orienters are opposed to a zoning change for Orient Point. We shall remember your position in this matter when it is time for your re-election to the Town [3card. strongly favor a moratori/~m on development until the ~own Plaster Plan is updated. Thank you for your consideration of this matter. Yours truly, WILLIAM WICKHAM F'RIC .I. ABIGAIL A. W|CKHAM F'RANKLYN A. FARRIS LAW OF,FICES WICKHAM, WICKHAM & BRE$SLER, p.c. MAIN ROAD, P. O. BOX 1424 MATTITUCK lONG ISLAND NEW YORK li952 516-298-8353 BE.r:., ,:31982 December 29, 1982 ~own Clerl~ ~outfiord Mrs. Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall Southold, NY 11971 Re: Nicholas Schick Orient Point property Dear Judy: Mr. Schick is on his'honeymoon and will not be avail- able until' miduJanuary. Upon his return, I will immediately discuss the preparation of the draft environmental impact statement and forward it to you as soon as possible. Very truly yours, Abigail' A. Wickham AAW: epu REALTORe DEC 2 1982 Town C:ler~ ~oufl~oB Wetmore Real Estate 828 FRONT STREET, BOX 627 GREENPORT, NEW YORK 11944 (516) 477-0798 December 27, 1982 Re: Orient Point So~thold Town Board Main Road $outhold, New York 11971 Mr. Supervisor & Members of the Board, It has come to my attention that the Board is reviewing the rezoning of the 48+ acres at Orient Point, to Multiple Dwe[ling. I wish to encourage the Board to do so with urgency. I feel the proposed plan is the best the town will ever get for the area. We have here a chance to go foward w~'th multi- dwelling on the last large shorefront parcel in Orient. The rest of the acreage developed will be in single family lots. Miss this chance now and there won't be another-for in that area there will always be ebjections and complaints to whatever rezoning the Board considers. Once granted and construction proceeds a lot of negative attitudes will become positive. ~Sincerely' George W. ?,/etmore WILLIAM WICKHAM EPIC J. BRE$$IER ABIGAI L A,WICKHAM FRAN~LYN A. FAR,IS LAW OFFICE~ WICI~HAM, WICKHAM & BRESSLER, ~.¢. MAIN ROAD~ P-O. BOX 1424 MATTITUCK LONG i~IAND NEW YORK lI952 RECEIVE~ Town Clerk $outfiold December 17, 1982 Mrs. Judith Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall Southold, NY 11971 Re: Application for Change of Zone NiCholas'SchiCk.- Orient Pt. property Dear Judy: Enclosed is Henderson and Bodwell's supplemental re- port which should be filed with their~ report as part of the record. The supplemental report was prepared to meet the requirements of the Board of Health. Discussions will now be held on the most suitable entitY to operate the water system. Very truly yours, Abigail A. Wickham AAW: epu Encl. CC: Southold Town Planning Board (w/encl.) ~C~EIVE~ HENDERSON AND BODWELL Town Cle~ Soufi'ml~ Date: October 27, 1982 Page: 1 of 4 FM: Angus D. Henderson TO: Memo of Record RE: Orient Point Project - N.Y.S. Health Dept. Comments Surface of Site, Etc. The contours do not indicate a considerable portion of the rainfall will flow directly to the ocean. Maximum slope of the general surface is about 1% and except for one small area where this one percent slope occurs, all the remaining table-land of the site has slopes of 1/2% or less. The majority of the site is not below elevation 10 M.S.L., of the 44 acres, about 42 acres are situated on a table-land above elevation 10, with sharp escarpments between the higher areas and the adjacent beaches. c. Thirty acres allocated as a catchment area for recharge of the groundwater is conservative. d. No offsite water is available, as proved by pumping test. There will be little flow underground from outside the site. e. A conservative estimate of recharge in the year maximum drought is:- of Rainfall Lost through evapo-transpiration and runoff Available as recharge 27 inches 18 inches 9 inches 9 inches of water on 30 acres = 7.3 M.G.Y. Expected additional recharge in the drought year from proposed recharging structures (Roof drainage, roadway drainage) 2.7 M.G.Y. Special grading, percolating ditches, etc. ? M.G.Y. Total Available Recharge in Drought Year 10 M.G.Y. + HENDERSON AND BODWELL Date: October 27, 1982 Page: 2 of 4 To: Memo of Record Re: Orient Point Project - N.Y.S. Health Dept. Comments Estimated consumptive use after full development and on a year-round occupancy basis: 120 dwelling units at 100 GPD each 50 hotel rooms at 50+ GPD each 4.3M.G.Y. 0.9M.G.Y. Maximum Consumptive Use 5.2 M.G.Y. f. Similarly, in a normal rainfall year:- Rainfall Lost through evapo-transpiration and runoff Available as recharge 45" 30.1" 14.9" 14.9" on 30 acres 12 M.G.Y. Expected additional recharge in normal year from proposed recharging structures (45/27 of 2.7) 4.5 M.G.Y. Special grading, percolation ditches, etc. Total Available Recharge in Normal Year 16.5 M.G.Y.+ Assuming full development and year-round occupancy, consumptive use would not change. Fresh Water - Salt Water Balance The pumping test demonstrated that it was possible to pump a well (which is a point source) for 72 hours at a 60 GPM rate without increasing the salt content of the water pumped above 750 mg/1. be Such a heavy rate of continuous pumping is expected only on the two 3-day summer holiday weekends, and chloride content would drop down again as pumping rates diminished. HENDERSON AND BODWELL Date: October 27, 1982 Page: 3 of 4 To: Memo of Record Re: Orient Point Project - N.Y.S. Health Dept. Comments The above two statements apply to pumping from a point source (a well) and a much less critical condition will be created when collecting groundwater through an infiltration gallery. The pumped well lowered the groundwater level at its site about 1.7 feet, about 0.86 feet at points 10 feet distant, 0.45 feet at points 30 feet distant, 0.25 feet at points 50 feet distant, and did not lower the water table at all at any point 90 feet or more from the pumped well. The system became hydraulically stable at all measuring points almost immediately after start of pumping. (The pumping of some 259,000 gallons drew not more than 35,000 gallons from storage within the cone of influence. The remaining water pumped came from the surrounding area. Water level recovery was essentially complete in 30 minutes indicating a laterally highly permeable formation.) The proposed gallery would have a radius at about 150 feet and would be expected to lower the water table about it less than 1 1/2 inches. Under this condition, disturbance of the fresh water-salt water balance would be minimized, and except for meeting summer peaks, it might be that during normal rainfall years, treatment by reverse osmosis might not be necessary. The proposed reverse osmosis units would be capable of removing 90% of the chloride content, and, 90% or more of organic compounds with molecular weights greater than 400 will also be rejected. The proposed units will be able to produce water meeting the chloride standard of 250 mg/1 with a single pass and a feed containing up to 2500 mg/1. The 36,000 gpd size of the units is adequate when the size of the finished water storage tank is considered. With two units operating, production would be 72,000 gpd and the maximum day demand is estimated at not more than 94,000 gpd. The maximum days in this type of development will occur on summer weekends, and the weekday demand will be much less. The 100,000 gallon storage tank provides sufficient storage to fully compensate for any inadequacy in treatment capacity during the expected summer demand period. HENDERSON AND BODWELL Date: October 27, 1982 Page: 4 of 4 To: Memo of Record Re: Orient Point Project - N.Y.S Health Dept. Comments If it is necessary, in order to secure approvals, a third Reverse Osmosis unit could be installed at an additional construction cost of about $40,000. 3. Infiltration Gallery The reason for using a large area for the gallery is to affect the hydraulic balance as little as possible; a typical well installation alternatively creates much greater upwelling of salt water because of its greater lowering of the groundwater table at the point of abstraction. The water is not being drawn from "close to the surface". With a gallery positioned 2-1/2 feet below mean sea level, its top is more than 17 feet below the ground, providing a reasonable depth of natural filtration. An area of about 3.8 acres (230'+ radius) is being provided for sanitary protection of the proposed source of supply. The treatment system sequence of Reverse Osmosis, groundwater activated carbon filtration and disinfection combined with the gallery type of construction and the restriction of a 3.8 acre site to no other use, will provide fully adequate protection for the water delivered to consumers through the distribution system. No clay blanket over the gallery is necessary. 4. Carbon Filters The carbon filters would be designed for a flow rate of 5 gpm per sq. foot and are empty bed detention time of 10 minutes. 5. Fresh (less than 250 mg/1) water stored in the ground under the 44 acre site is estimated to be more than 30 million gallons. This is sufficient to provide for balancing the effects of variation in the rainfall cycle with the expected maximum consumptive use withdrawals of about 5 million gallons per year. RECONVENED PUBLIC HEARING SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD DECEMBER 7, 1982 8:00 P.M. IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION OF NICHOLAS SCHICK FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM "A" RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO "M-I" GENERAL MULTIPLE RESIDENCE DISTRICT ON CERTAIN PROPERTY AT ORIENT, NEW YORK. Present: Supervisor William R. Pell, III Councilman John J. Nickles Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr. Councilman Francis J. Murphy Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr. Justice Raymond W. Edwards Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker SUPERVISOR PELL: We will open the hearing that was held on November 9th at 8:00 P.M. It was recessed until 8:00 P.M. today. The public notice was read at that time so we will not have it read again. ABIGAIL WICKHAM, Attorney fo]' Nicholas Schick: Our primary purpose of our presentation tonight is to discuss the question of the water system from Mr. Bodwell. Before we do tha~, there's some concern expressed by the people last time about what the buildings are going to look like and I realize it's a little premature at a rezoning hearing to talk about final site plan type elements but our architects have developed some drawings that perhaps you people would like to look at. We can put them up now and they can look at them later. This is just an attempt to capture some of the architecture. GEORGE BUCHANAN, Buchanan-Weintraub Architects: We did show copies of the--and you have before you copies of the site plan in question, and we have, as well, and they are also in a small[ booklet that's a compilation of the drawings that you have already and these. The site plan which you've ali seen has the small housing groups along Long Island Sound, with the focus of the pFoject being the inn/conference center on Gardiners Bay. The second drawing is a partial site plan of one of these housing groups and the drawing on top are of two renderings; one which is taken a view from the Sound back towards two of the beach houses--these are houses that have two units in them each, and those are here, and this is the beach club; and another view which is across the meadow towards one of the houses known on the site plan as the big house, and looking beyond that at one of these groups and the beach club behind that, and those drawings are also in a smaller form in this document. If there are any questions later on, or if people would like to come up and look at them they will be right here. Page 2 - Reconvened ~L_olic Hearing - Nicholas Sch,ck Change of Zone Petition biS. WICKHAM: I have Russell Bodwell here of Henderson and Bodwell who are the engineers who have designed the water and sewer system and I'd like to introduce him and ask him to describe to you the type of :facilities being proposed. RUSSELL BODWELL, Henderson and Bodwei1, Consulting Engineers: Good evening. I'd like to introduce the subject tonight by saying that I want to talk about both the water supply and the disposal system. The reason, I think, that I have to talk about both of them, they kind of go hand in hand. To solve one problem you have to solve the other problem, particularly when we're look at here, as all of you are aware, a critical water supply situation in Orient Point. Now, as some of you know, we ran some extensive pumping tests to determine both the ground water table, the effect of draw-down and pumping at a rate of 60 gallons per minute over a three day period, we would plot and determine the ground water effects by having observation wells at 10, 30, 50 and 100 feet from where we ran pumping tests. From those pumping tests we've also been able to determine the water quality. We subsequently went back and done some resampling and retesting of the water quality, but the thing that I want to highlight tonight is that we're looking at a site where we feel that with the projected use on this site, there will be roughly 5 million gallons of water used a year and the potential for recharge which is designed into the system, which consists of the natural recharge on approximately 30 acres of the 44 acre site, plus the recharge we'll pick up from roof drains and our storm drainage system around the paved areas and parking areas gave us over 10} million gallons a day--I mean a year--in a drought year. In the wet season, or wet year, we'd be up around 12 to 15 million gallons. So that's one of the elements you look at, do we have ~ water supply system that is going to give us more than ample water without, as some of you may be aware, infringing on the perimeter of the site. Now, let's talk about the system of how we get recharge into the ground and how we will be handling the sanitary waste. I might add that the sanitary waste will be basically large septic tanks going through an infiltration gallery, plus a nitrification/denitrifica- tion tank plus then being dissipated in galleries--and so that you understand this--this is the entrance road coming into the site, this is the drinking water infiltration gallery here, and these are units as were located on the site plan---units in here--this is one of the most critical areas in determining spacing for our infiltration gallery, and what we're showing here is a storm drainage system, a septic system, and the size of where the infiltration gallery will be built for the drinking water. Now, the infiltration gallery coming on--the roof drains are these red circles located around the buildings. The infil- tration gallery around the parking lots will be in the middle of this depressed median that we ht~ve in the middle oil the parking area--the depressed meaning the lots will be able to be flooded in case we have an extreme six inch rain fall. The sanitary, meanwhile, is being collected in sanitary sewers going into a septic tank, then goes into an infiltration gallery, goes through the nitrification/denitrification tanks and then is discharged 120 feet from the top of the berm next to the Long Island Sound in this particular case. Now, as far as the water supply system. The water supply system is basically relatively sump. What we're building is an infiltration gallery--each one of these lines, and there are eight of them--60 feet with a diameter--a diameter all the way around between the center of this of over 230 feet. Now, the Page 3 - Reconvened ~ ~lic Hearin~ - Nicholas Sc~ ck Change of Zone Petition infiltration galleries will be placed about 2.3 feet below the top of the present wafer service and it will be designed in such a manner that we'll have a pit in one location where the pit will pick up water and on a peak day we do not anticipate lowering the ground water table more than two inches. This compares with what you have with a single source well. Put in a well on this site and pump 60 gallons a minute you drop it about 1.7 feet and then you start bringing up salt water from below. We think by keeping this in an infiltration gallery and having this other system we will then minimize the draw down. The second area that we're now talking about is how do we treat the water we get out of this infiltration gallery. The state has raised a concern about whether during the summer months and our peak pumping period whether we might be getting some additional salt coming into the supply and we found that during the pumping period,on a three day period, the highest cblorides were around 750. They say there's a possibility we could run as high as 2500 and therefore what we have recommended is an R-O system, which is really a reverse osmosis system, which permits you to flush the water supply through a filtration system that is designed by DuPont and other companies and has now had a trem- endous experience around the world. There's probably over 200 million gallons of fresh potable drinking water being produced a day in the world with this type of a system. I've had a lot of experience--operated them in Florida. They have not been extensively used in the northeast; but we're beginning to see them be recognized as having not only the advantage for removing the chloride, but we think that many of the chemical wastes and agricultural fertilizers will also be removed with this R-O system. We have a back up to do that and the state has also asked us to provide further protection since we're working with a very shallow fresh water aquifer that we put in a carbon column filter to treat the wa~er that we produce from the R-O system. One of the questions that has been raised is what is the waste margin that comes out of an R-O system. We're talking about here a water system that we cannot see it exceeding 90 thousand gallons a day at your peak demand, and an R-O system and the maximum waste would be 15~ or something like nine or ten thousand gallons that would be wasted from your R-O backwash filter system. Wha~ else does this system have? The water system will have a 100 thousand gallon ground storage tank. The ground storage tank will be submerged so that it will be only sticking above the ground between two to three feet. It will be landscaped, it will not be a detriment to the vistas within the project. The 100 thousand gallons gives you both fire flow, fire protection to the project, which we feel is very important if you're going to restore the inn, and it also gives you the extra cushion that you need if you should happen to have a couple of days of excessive demand. As far as the sanitary system-- the sanitary system is basically a modification of what your health department in the county has been doing research on for about the last six or eight years. I would say from a technical water ~uality view- point and from the water quality produced for drinking you do not need the nitrification system in this particular instance because the R-O system will remove the nitrates if you ever happen to have an increase in nitrates because of the septic system. The health department regu- lations require you to put ii1 a nitrification removal system. Some people have inquired why are we not going into a treatment system for the waste. I think many people in Long Island today and certainly all over the country recognize small systems, if they can be designed to handle--be handled with septic tank treatment and some modification or improvement to that system you have then not only a much lower cos~ Page 4 - Reconvened L..olic Hearing - Nicholas Sch.ek Change of Zone Petition operating system but a much better chance of a tool-proot system. We think we've provided a tool-proof system. You're going to see more of these type systems not only on Long Island but in many other areas of the country and its a--what we say in technical reading--it's the best available technology that we know of in 1982, and that's what we're tryillg to present to you tonlght. Both systems are the best available technology for water supply and sanit~ry system there is today. The letter of concept approval which we received on November 12th, 1982 from the department of health, a copy of which went to the Suffolk County Health Department, highlighted the need for an R-O unit which I talked about, the need for a granular activated carbon filters for removal of any organic contaminates tbat may be present in the water. Accordingly we are issuing our endorsement of the technical aspects of the project. They've raised the question again of connecting into the Village of Greenport system and we have found that to be economically unfeasible and the other condition that they want, they want the ultimate operation of ~he system to be through a contractual agreement with a community water supply, preferably Greenport. That basically covers what we wanted to present tonight, as it covers both the water supply--- I want to add a couple of other things. One of the key features of the drainage system as we've designed the storm water system on all the roadways so the water runs off fha pavement and we have basically drainage trenches on both sides et your paved roadway to pick up the storm water. This is not unique to our organization, it's something that we're seeing under Cafra rules in New Jersey and Florida looking at how do we max- imize recharge and our goal on this project is not only to get storm water back in~o the site in excess of the water s~pply units, we think that once our systems are working we will ultimately raise the storm water--I mean the fresh water elevation within the projects limits and ultimately, whether it's two to five years down the road, prove that we have such consistent good operating conditions for the water supply, that the R-O system and carbon filter will not be operated except during peak periods. MS. WICKHAM: If you have questions I'm sure Mr. Bodwell will answer them. SUPERVISOR PELL: Any Councilmen have anything they would like to ask? Mr. Murdock. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: How many gallons a day do you propose to treat in the affluent plant? MR. BODWELL: In the various septic tank systems? There will be a total capacity of roughly 90 thousand gallons a day. COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: You mentioned that you had 100 thousand gallon storage tank for fire protection. Now, I'm not an expert in this at all but I know that in fires of significant buildings in Greenport that I was involw~d in 100 thousand gallons wouldn't have gone very far towards putting those fires out. Many times--on several occasions the entire tank the Village has--water tower--has been drained. When that happens I assume you can't pump too quickly on a system such as this. I've just a couple of questions I'd like to address, maybe you can answer them. Are you planning to irrigate, landscape or irrigate anything. Are there many of these systems in this latitude? Page 5 - Reconvened ~ _olic Hearing - Nicholas ScL.~ck Change of Zone Petition MR. BODWELL: On the R-O system? COUNCIl. MAN TOWNSEND: Yes. I mean this far north? MR. BODWELL: I will have to get you some data on that. I do know there are R-O systems in this temperature condition. As to where they located I can supply that information, I don't have it tonight. As far as the fire protection, what we are talking about is something like two 500 gallon per minute sprays running for a period of roughly [wo hours. Because you are replenishing during that two hour period while you're operating, so if there is a fire of over two hours I will agree that you are probably going to have a disas[er, but we find that generally a 1000 gallon per minute stream for two hours will give you a fair rating on the system. Did you have another question? COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Are you planning to irrigate or maintain the grounds in some ..... MR. BODWELL: We hope to minimize the irrigation system in the sense that a lot of [he landscaping and surface treatment will be such that you will not do a heavy amount of irrigation. That reduces the water supply on the project. We have provided for what we think will be a minimum irrigation system.----(Mr. Bodwell was asked to repeat his answer by members of the audience.) .... In answer to the irrigation question, the project will have some irrigation bu[ the design of the landscaping which is at present only conceptual and much of the land- scaping with be such that there will not be heavy irrigation required. That's both in line with the current thinking of many of the water conservation programs that we're involvee with and other projects and we don't think that this project will have a heavy irrigation demand. MS. WICKHAM: I might add that the individual unzts will be metered in terms of wa[er. That will be metered in terms of usage which, from studies I've seen, does cut down on your usage.--(Ms. Wickham was asked to repeat her statement by members of [he audience.)---I'm sorry. The individual units will also have water meters which will be with the intention of cutting down unlimited water supply you would have in private wells or unlimited water supply in terms of economics. You will be paying for your usage. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilman Nickles. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: Mr. Bodwell, you had indicated that the water system was going to be turned over to a public entity. Wha[ entity is that? MR. BODWELL: We are seriously going to ~egotiate with both the Village of Greenpor[ and possibly a non-profit operation. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: And on that same question, does that include the operation of your waste treatment plan[? MR. BODWELL: There's no waste treatment plant. It's a common septic tank with a discharge system running through a series of additional features that strip nitrogen and as far as maintenance of that septic system, that would be a home owner's association responsibility and Page 6 - Reconvened t,.olic Hearing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone Petition probably have less requirements for maintenance than 90~ of your sepfic systems on Long Island today. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: And a follow-up on that. When you indicated on your diagram there that the waste is going to be discharged 100 and some odd feet, what is it being discharged into? MR. BODWELL: It's into infiltration galleries. COUNCIL~AN NICKLES: That brown (indicating to area on sketch) .... MR. BODWELL: No. The brown are buildings. The buildings we have a gravity sewer line running to a septic tank here where is roughly a 9000 gallon septic tank--this particular.group of buildings--running from there into two uniquely designed systems where we have effluent from the septic tank coming into the botfom of a tank where we have both sulphur and lime stone to permit the removal of the nitrogen and then---let me follow that up---it goes from septic tank to the leaching field. The leaching field has an impermeable barrier at the bottom of ii and then from the bottom of the leaching field it goes into the nitrogen removal system and then into these individual infiltration galleries. (Outburst of questions from members of the audience.) SUPERVISOR PELL: Wait a minute. The Town Board will ask the questions now and later on we will turn it over to you people one at a time and to be recognized by the chair. Continue, Mr. Nickles. COUNCILMAN NICKLES: That's all. SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Murphy? (Nothing, Bill.) Judge Edwards? (No questions.) Any other Councilmen have anything you want to ask at this time? (No response.) If not, Gall, are you ready for the floor? liS. WICKHAM: Yes. SUPERVISOR PELL: We will turn it over to the floor. The way I am going to do this is I'm going to start on the east and work west. So, people on the east side who would like to speak raise your hand first. Ruth Oliva in the back. Please use the mike and state your name. Rule One. MRS. RUTH OLIVA, President, North Fork Environmental Council: While I feel we must leave the specifics of the operation to the experts, once again Southold Town is asked to be the guinea pig in an experimental type of operation. The unofficial report, as you all know, from the County is going to show that Orient is in a fragile balance as far as its water supply is concerned. We cannot stand any more population growth. One other thing. We have a special ambience in Southold Town, a uniqueness, this we must preserve, otherwise it will blow away in a puff of smoke. Thank you. MRS. JEAN TIEDKE, Southold: I do not understand what you mean by an infiltration gallery. Is this in the aquifer or does it go down below the aquifer? What becomes of this water? Page 7 - Reconvened t~.olic Hearing - Nicholas Sc~_.ck Change of Zone Petition MR. BODWELL: The storm water in the infiltration gallery travels longitudinally above the ground water towards the infiltration gallery we have for our water supply. What we're doing is raising the present water levels by putting fresh water back in and maximizing the recharge. The infiltration gallery for the storm water discharge is in the--above the w:~ter table like every other septic tank. MRS. TIEDKE: The infiltration gallery is out in the Bay, is that right? I{R. BODWELL: On the Bay side of the unit. MRS. TIEDKE: Where is the property line fhere--I don't understand. MR. BODWELL: point here. The property line indicating on sketch) runs to this MRS. TIEDKE: Well, Orient Bay ~s on one side, Orient whatever you it, and the Long Island Sound is on the other. So where are those bodies of water? call two ~R. BODWELL: This is the Long Island Sound. I tried to explain here that we're talking about this particular group of buildings--as we come into the project the fresh water supply is located in here and with the sanitary system for this particular group of buildings---this is schem- atically one group of buildings---would be repeated of your various buildings around the site. MRS. TIEDKE: I understand what will sink down still--perhaps I'm not very bright, you mean by having an infiltration into the ground water aquifer? but I just do not gallery, the water MR. BODWELL: You have on this part rather porous sand--- MRS. TIEDKE: Well, that's Long Island for you. MR. BODWELL: Well, you have also a very tight surface caused by the agricultural treatment, so today much of falls on this site is now running off, because .... condition the water that MRS. TIEDKE: Do you have proof of that:? MR. BODWELL: I would say the proof comes from experience and the geology and knowing what the surface conditions are. ~IRS. TIEDKE: Are you from Long Island? MR. BODWELL: I've been out to Orient Point quite a few times and I think I can ..... farming because the surface is tight. You can go out there after a storm rain the water is not running down into the ground on this particular site. MRS. TIEDKE: Only half of the 44 inches or so that falls from the sky actually infiltrates ~he ground on Long Island anyhow. I think you need some more---to give us some more detail about how it actually works. Page 8 - Reconvened tL_~lic Hearing - Nicholas Sc..~ck Change of Zone Petition MR. BODWELL: We're only project 18 inches will go back in the ground, less than half. MRS. TIEDKE: That's right, it is. MR. BODWELL: That's what we're projecting on this site. MR. JOtIN WICKHAM, Cutchogue: I am on the Long Island Planning Commission, Long Island Regional Planning Commission. I'm also Vice- Chairman of the Sound Water Conservation District of the County of Suffolk. I have lived and worked with salt water and salt water for fifty active years. There are some things that are very wrong with the presentation you have made and I'll have to tell the Town Board this. First, your most recent statement that you would hope to raise the level of the ground water is--displays complete unfamiliarity with what we have here. Mrs. Tiedke had a point. We know very well that the angle of repose, the hydraulic radiant, what ever you want to call it, is seven inches per mile under Long Island. This means, since the property in question is not much more than 100 yards wide, that you might get as much as two inches. You're talking about two feet. No way. Another thing .... MR. BODWELL: Can I answer that? ~{R. WICKHAM: Of course. MR. BODWELL: I did not intend to talk about two feet. I talked about an infiltration gallery at this location (indicating on the sketch) where dropping of the water t~ble during peak summer weekend would only be two inches. The two foot that I referred to was the two foot we had when we put in one well and pumped at 60 gallons a minute. MR. WICKHAM: No, I beg yo~r pardon, you made the statement that you would hope to raise the water table and this is impossible. MR. BODWELL: I'm not talking about any significant raise. it two inches that would be all we're looking for, because bring it back in balance. If we raise then we'd MR. WICKIIAM: The next thing, let me point out that this reverse osmosis has been used and used successfully in areas where there is an abundance of brackish water such as the sounds off the East Cost of North Carolina, where there's any quantity of brackish water. To seriously consider using it where there's a lot of salt water, and there is a lot of salt water just a few feet down in Orient, is practically out of the question. Now, l'l] ask you a direct question. Have you measured the depth of the interface between fresh and salt water? MH. BODWELL: We have. MR. WICKRA~: And how deep is it? MR. BODWELL: I'd just like to check (Mr. Bodwell referred to h~s Water Supply Report for the Orieng Point Project.) I don't know as I plotted .... If you are talking about salt water at 20 thousand chlorides, which is the maximum I think we went down 60 feet to recover that--we did Page 9 - Reconvened t,_Jlic ttearing- Nicholas Sc,.~ck Change of Zone Petition plot, and I think I have that data someplace in my files, I don't have it in this particular report, that the chlorides at the end of the three day pumping test went as high as 750 parts per million, which indicated we were bringing up brackish water to the--- MR. WICKHAM: Of course, yes. MR. BODWELL: As far as the fresh water--salt water, there's no clear interface. There's an interface of where you start to increase brack- ishness and I think we went almost 60 feet before we got full salt water. MR. WICKHAM: In o~her words, there was 40 feet of interface which is reasonable, but you have some problems immediately because that 40 feet is all there is and as soon as you start using that you get salt to replace it, it comes right up. My point is that we---if you're going to use more than the rainfall, you're not going to solve your problem by using reverse osmosis. You could solve it by using a desalinization plant, but then what are you going to do with the salt? I want to move on. I don't intend to get into an argument. MR. BODWELL: I don't want to either, I just want to clarify one thing. Reverse osmosis is accomplishing the same thing as a desalinization plant. MR. WICKHAM: Yes, but what happens is you have to do something with the salt, either you put it overboard or you cart it away. In a desalinization plant--we discussed this very carefully here in the Town of Southold some years ago, and the whole project was rejected because of what to do with the salt, and it was going to take--in that case it was going to take carloads every day. What are you going to do with the salt? Are the baymen or the shellfish people going to let you pu~ it in the Bay? No way. Let's go on to the next one. MR. BODWELL: Can I go back, I now have the data 5hat you raised the question to. I ~ndicated roughly 60 feet and my chart indicates that we hit 18 thousand parts per million chlorides at minus 40 since the ground surface is roughly 12, that 52 feet below the surface. At minus 20--20 feet below the sea level we were 11 thousand, and at 15 feet below sea level we were at 475. The indication is that the fresh water is from a plus .2 to somewheres between minus 10 or 12 feet. ~{R. WICKHAM: This is exactly what our engineer said in 1965 and we would accept that, but the problem is the water in the interface--that's where your problem is. One more thing which doesn't quite make sense. The County of Suffolk has said one acre zoning based on one dwelling per acre and this has been the basis of our zoning in the Town of Southold. We have gone under our "~" District to between six and seven or sometimes slightly more than seven dwelling unxts for part- time residents, motels and so forth, which were only used part of the year. It must be anticipated that some of these units will be used more than three months a year, number one. Number two, this :far exceeds the amount of dwellings we are currently allowing in our "A" zone and wheat's in question, actually in jeopardy, ali of the zoning of the Town of Southold. If this is allowed, this opens the gate to other actions, legal actions, we're saying if you can support this density we're entitled to it. As one final thing I would have to say, Page 10 - Reconvened ~blic Hearing - Nicholas S~ick Change of Zone Petition and this is again a matter of policy, the attorney for the Town in years past has made it clear fo the Planning Board and to the people that there were some cases where the courts said to communities, you approved fhis project, now make services available, and in this case it would make water available. If anything goes wrong~ and you've got three possibilities you're working with, firsf you're taking care of all the storm water it's picking up from the roofs, this is good, we approve of this. First you've got a method of handling some of the water in the interface, third you have a reservoir. If anything happens to the first ~wo of those you're in trouble. You go to court, you take the Town of Southold to court, the courts say to the Town, you approved it, make water available. I as a taxpayer say to the Town Board just bear this in mind. Thank you very much. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else on the east side of the room? Mr. Franklin Bear. MR. FRANKLIN BEAR, Southold: John Wickham who just spoke with you, who was the Chairman of the Planning Board here from the time it was established back in the '50's until a few years ago, has a great deal of experience and background in this area and I think that we should have on the record the letter which he wrote, and which appeared in both of our local papers, last week. I'm not going to read ali of it because Mr. Wickham has said a great deal of it already, but I do want fo point out that he starts out by saying, "It comes as a real surprise to me that any of the officials of the Town of Southold is seriously considering the development of the Orient Point property for anything else than the renewal or replacement of the hotel." And then he goes into the fact that, "Consider that in the past the Planning Board turned down applications requesting less than one house per acre, stating that there wasn't ground water enough for that density under this property." I think in addition to that I would like to say I was impressed by one thing that was said by the gentleman here this evening, by the number of times that he used the word "probably". This proves to me, and I think to others, tha~ there are many unanswered questions and a lot of things that have not been proved about the systems and the plans which they have in mind for this project. I would like to say one other thing. I can't believe that this Town Board--I can't understand how any Town Board, any officials of this Town, at the time when we're just two months into the process of updating our Town Plan, could do a spot zoning such as the rezoning that is planned here. Thank you. SUPERVISOtl PELL: Anybody else on the east side wish to speak? MRS. PAT WYSOCKI, Orient: Four years ago we bought--me and my husband bought a piece of property from his grandmother which happens down at the Point, it's a brand new house going up, and it's on the private road. We had to go in front of the Board of Appeals and get a variance because there wasn't enough footage. Well, anyway, during the variance board meeting they expresses that they might not permit us to build our house there because there is a shortage of water, which happens that there's a house further down the Point with no water, as far as drink- ing water. Anyway they agreed with us that we could have the property and build a house on the property. Well, we're nearly done with the house and we had to have our water tested. We put a well in the front yard and it's 100 square feet--over 100 square fee~ away from the next Page 11 - Reconvened .ublic Hearing - Nicholas Sc~ick Change of Zone Petition property as far as the sewage line. The Board of Health tested it; we got high degrees of nitrate, high degrees of amonia and such other tests. So in other words our tests failed. We went down further and we pumped it--we pumped it four days completely. It lessened the nitrates but not to the degree that the test would pass, so in other words we didn't get water. We didn't get drinkable water and by their terms we could not drink it and they even told us they wouldn't pass it. So in other words we had to go out back and we had to put in another well. Finally the Tests passed. The thing is is all I know--I don't know much about water--all I know is if you don't put water into the ground you're not going to get water. Down the Point we have very little water. As far as the tests are concerned we got a sufficient amount that tile Board of Health did finally pass our water. Now, you're going to put condominiums there and after they are built, in ten years we're not going to have water. Like I said, the house down the Point, which I can't speak for it, they have no water at all. They have no drinking water. I know they bring water in to the place; they bring it in by bottles. As far as the washing and stuff, they got salt water. Now, I don't want my house and I don't want my property like that and I don't plan on buying water the rest of my life either. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else on the east section over here before we move? MRS. PHILLIPS: I would like to go back to the question of the infiltration chambers again, because I'm confused about them. Did you also use the word "infiltration chambers" when it came to the cesspools, the septic tanks. You used them for both the water system and for also the septic system. MR. BODWELL: That is correct. MRS. PHILLIPS: Now I'm really confused. All right, so the water that comes down from the sky will go into the infiltration chambers, which are realty storm drains---then also from the sewage after it has been treated, the nitrate treatment, then there's a collection chamber for the sewage--the filtration chamber, is that what it is? MR. BODWELL: That is correct. MRS. PHILLIPS: Are they both the same thing? Do the storm drain infiltration chambers a~d the septic tank infiltration chambers end up in the same place? MR. BODWELL: No, I'm trying to st~ow you on the .... MRS. PHILLIPS: Well, I can't see. I really sort of resent you coming here with something that: I can't see. I came to talk to you about it and I'm concerned, and you did not. present us with the! opportunity to-- graphically--you did a very poor job SUPERVISOR PELL: Turn the easel around. it up here. That was set so we could see MRS. PHILLIPS: Well, I understand that. Page 12 Reconvened ~blic Hearing - Nicholas S~..ick Change of Zone Petition MR. BODWELL: So that we try to explain this once again, the infiltration gallery--we'll try to clarify this. The storm water infiltration galleries are the red dots on this map. The sanitary system consists of a collection system of pipes, gravity pipes, going into a septic system, going into an infiltration field--from the infiltration field going through a nitrifica- tion removal tanks and then going into the series of infiltration galleries that are 100 feet back--120 feet back from the top of the knoll, which is roughly 170 feet from the property line, so that the infiltration of septic waste will be a buffer for salt water intrusion. MRS. PHILLIPS: All right, you're recycling the water then so that the storm water and the fluid from the septic system, hoping that you will be able to have a supply of water whenever you have a problem. MR. BODWELL: Well, I would like to clarify that. The recycled septic tank waste will probably 80~J go outboard, rather than in shore. IIRS. PHILLIPS: To the Sound? MR. BODWELL: Yes. MRS. PHILLIPS: All right, one other question. You said that you were going to put drainage ditches along the sides of the road in order to-- fresh water drainage ditches, large mosquito problems? MR. BODWELL: No, these are drainage ditches that have a stone surface so that the water is never visible on the surface, except possibly for an hour or two after a heavy rain. The infiltration gallery that this consists of, which is a storm water drainage system which in some projects we've even supplemented by putting an underdrain system underneath the stone to assure that the storm water gets back into the ground and maximizes fresh water recharge. We're talking about systems that are not unique to this particular area. Systems that are used today in New Jersey, in Florida and getting to be a common concern throughout the country, how do you maximize fresh water reclamation, and that's what we're looking at. MRS. PHILLIPS: Right, okay. Then 20% you say of the sewage waste material will be reclaimed or reused and 80% will go out into the Sound. Is that quite the thing to do? I've heard of untreated sewage going out to sea--great tide you have at Orient Point, I'm sure things can take care that way, but is it the thing to do? MR. BODWELL: Let's say that the slope that was talked about by ~r. Wickham is gradually going to the odean or the sound and we're taking advantage of that gradiant, and there is a gradiant on this property so that portions of it will be going out from this particular line. What comes back--remember it is now being diluted with a ratio of about one to five of fresh water, your treated effluent, and then we're putting it through this high quality treatment system of the R-O so that we have really a drinking water that would be about as good as you're going to find in Southold. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else on the east before we move? II not we're moving into the center section. ~rs. Adams. Page 13 - Reconvened .~blic Hearing - Nicholas Su. ick Change of Zone Petition MRS. ESTELLE ADAMS, Orient: I only would like one thing right now, and that is for the Town Board and the rest of us, including the people who hope to develop the country--the land, to see exactly where this house is that Mrs. Wysocki was speaking about. She can show it to you, where it is located, on this map that's here in front of us. (Mrs. Wysocki indicated on the sketch plan the location of her property, which adjoins the property of the existing Orient Point Inn.) SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else in the middle? MRS. LYNDAL BRANDEIS, Orient: I'm still not quite sure about the water going into the Sound. What is going to be in that water and what will it do to the fish? MR. BODWELL: I would like to highlight that the quality of the water, once it has gone through the septic system, the sand filter system, the denitrification system, then back in your infiltration gallery, will probably be equal to, if not better, than the storm water that is on the surface. Thesurface storm water by going through the long route it takes to get to this infiltration gallery for your water supply, we clean up the storm water. The storm water system and the septic system water are both high quality water. The storm water we do know has a low PH problem. We have to correct PH in our treatment. Those are things that we can take care of with a high quality treatment system and so you understand-- I've talked about infiltration galleries here tonight. There are three types, not jus~ two. There is the type here which is for our septic system, an infiltration gallery for my storm water system, and there's another infiltration gallery here which is a trench that will be dug two and a half feet below sea level which will be layed with crushed stone and porous pipe layed flat and that infiltration gallery then goes to a chamber and it is from that chamber you pump your water for your treatment and drinking and therefore we are confident that we will not pull the water down more than two inches and then let's go back to the pumping test. When we ran the pumping test we pulled the water down 1.7 feet and a hundred feet away you couldn't measure that draw- down. So that's why we're saying that a infiltration gallery will--- we only have to pull the water table down two inches to get the water demand on this site. We will have no effect outside the limits of this piece of land. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else in the second row? MR. MARTIN TRENT, Orient: There seems to be a lot of unanswered questions here tonight about the whole project and I guess if we're going to end up arguing specifics I'll be happy to argue with the engineers, but it's fact that the sewage will ultimately be discharged into the Sound from the disposal systems that are proposed and their water supply system, based on their best available technology, is un- proven. Mr, Bodwell has s~ated that the water supply situation in Orient Point is critical. Those are his words. They have another problem in Orient Point which was brought up by Reverend Heitzman at the last hearing and that's the quality of life. I think the quality of life situation is critical also. You've heard testimony from all the experts. Suffolk County Planning Department rejected this proposed development, the County consultant ERM on North Fork Water Supply says that water supply in Orient can't support any new Page 14 - Reconvened .ablic Hearing - Nicholas Seasick Change of Zone Petition major developments. You've heard in this very room Steve Engle~bright, about a month and a half ago, he's the curator of the Long Island Museum of Natural History at the Univerity of Stony Brook, say that Southold Town has probably already reached the maximum population it can support. You've heard from the Planning Board Chairman Mr. Wickham about his opposition to the project and finally, and most important, you've heard from a lot of people in Orient and a lot of people in Southold Town and it boils down to what is appropriate for Orient. You want to argue engineering specifics, whether or not the sewage disposal system will work, whether or not the water supply system will work, who is going to operate it. These are all unanswered questions. They don't have adequate answers, it's obvious. This type or project is not appropriate for the Village of Orient, not appropriate for this area of Soufhold Town. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody in the second row wish to be heard? Moving on to the third row. Mr. Martin. MR. RALPH MARTIN, East Marion: We discussed about the R-O, filters and so forth. What about the solid waste? After you get through with all your tanks, your holding columns, your carbon towers and so forth. They're going to close the Town dump in the next couple of years, what are you going to use to get rid of the solid waste, and where are you going to put it? Again you said you were pumping overboard 80~ of the water from your end result from your septic system. Why can't that be put back into the ground? Instead of using your road drains and you said which this particular water from your septic system is perhaps more pure. Why can't that be put back in[o the ground? Who is going to oversee all of this--the chemical tests and the water purity is maintained? Will that be submitted to the State continually on a certain monthly basis? And you said you're bring some of the water back from the discharge system, how is it getting back from the Sound? Does it go underground? Does it become brackish and pulled back up again? I fish out there. I don't want to se feces or whatever have you floating in the water. I doubt it will ever come to that, but you never know. And I'd rather not swim in it either, whether it be pure or not. If it's good enough to be put-- some of it be put back in the ground, put it all back, but what's going overboard I have my doubts on the purity of it, really. That takes care of that. I just want to ask one other thing. The hotel, I call it Taj Mahal, when it is reconditioned or rebuilt or what have you, will it be done prior to the construction of the condominiums, during construction of the condominiums or after all of them have been sold and then it will be rebuilt? That is based upon, of course, you sell all your condo- minimums, not like the ones down at the bottom of Gillette--not Gillette Drive but Shipyard Lane. I don't th~nk he's sold very many. I think that the Orient hotel is nothing but a apple that's held in front of the Town Board and the Town of Southold. If it would be possible, I'd like some answers to these very simple questions. MR. BODWELL: Let me first of all state that the effluent coming from your third trestment plant and the design of the water supply as contemplated, that the water supply of the project can be brought in balance with none of your septic tank waste coming back into the water. We're realistic enough to recognize that where we're discharging we will cause some mounding in the vicinity of this discharge so that there is a great possibility that both the septic waste and the storm drainage coming off your roof drains both flow towards the infiltration gallery Page 15 - Reconvened _~blic Hearing - Nicholas S~ick Change of Zone Petition for your water supply. As far as what waste and solids are coming off the project, you have two types of solids. You have the solids that come from your garbage disposal; that problem will have to be solved as long with those other solid waste problems in Southold. I don't think we're here tonight to discuss that. As far as the waste that comes out of your septic tanks, that will take probably treatment and removal of solids from your septic tank at least once every two to three years. MR. MARTIN: Was that 90 thousand gallons of water that you're going to run a day, I believe that's the figure you gave. MR. BODWELL: That's the peak day. A normal day, with 5 million gallons a year, the normal will be probably about half of that, and that is because peak days are only going to occur on your weekends during the months of July and August. That's when you have your peak water demands. The quality and discharge anything into the Sound--remember now we're running through, on your septic tank, we're running through the sand filter, we're running through a combination sulphur and limestone filter and then we're running back into the galleries here and we have 120 feet of sand to run fhe effluent through before it gets any salt wa~er. MR. MARTIN: Correct, but; as I say you did mention that 80~ of that effluent was going into the sea. MR. BODWELL: In the direction of the sea. Underground. pipe it's in--- It's not a MR. MARTIN: You did say at the previous meeting that it was going into Long Island Sound. MR. BODWELL: Through a 125--120 feet of sand layer. And a 120 feet of sand layer between the point we're discharging it into the gallery and then it has to run through that 120 feet before it hits any salt water. Most of your houses today I doubt have that much barrier between what we are using as our discharge point and our fresh water intake flotation. We're roughly, on most of these sites, 350 to 400 feet from the point we're dischargi~g our septic tank to the point where we're pulling in fresh water. MR. MARTIN: There will be no effluent whatsoever going into the sea? MR. BODWELL: No direct effluent. MR. MARTIN: Direct? MR. BODWELL: That's right. MR. MARTIN: What about the Orient Point Inn in terms of reconstruction or rebuilding of that in terms of the condomini~ construction? MS. WICKHAM: I think I can answer the construction plan. The Inn will be worked under in the first stage of Ehe construction of the entire project. What that means is when the first sixteen units or so go up, half of the Inn units will also be done and the Inn itself would be Page 16 - Reconvened .~blic Hearing - Nicholas $~..ick Change of Zone Petition done. So it will be done at the beginning of the project and not after everything is completed. MR. MARTIN: That would be dependent upon how marly condominiums would be sold at that time or would it go as construction proceeds and not have any direct relationship with any of the condominiums that are sold? liS. WICKHAM: That's the construction phase. MR. MARTIN: I'm trying to ascertain whether the Inn would be done prior to or after a certain number or condominiums have been sold. Perhaps none sell and then the Inn isn't done either, is what I'm driving at. Or will that go forward regardless of what happens to the sale of the condominiums? ItS. WICKHAM: We are anticipating from our market studies that that's not even going to be a conceivable problem. MR. MARTIN: Shipyard Lane is a great deal, you know, and I'll give you another example ..... MS. WICKHAM: If you were here at the last hearing there was a discussion of Shipyard Lane. It's not even a comparable project. MR. MARTIN: I don't doubt it, but there's still some up for sale. SUPERVISOR PELL: Wacker. Anybody else in the third row? Fourth row? Mrs. MRS. RONNIE WACKER, Cutchogue: I'm concerned about open development in Southold Town, anywhere in the Town. I want to speak to another issue. These subdivisions I object to because they destroy the special character of Southold Town, the farmland and open space, which in this Town means money and jobs. Now, our industry is tourism and tourism means open space, because tourists are not going to come out here and spend their money when they find the same thing that they left back home, a lot of houses and condominiums. If I were a motel owner or a restaurant owner I think I'd be worried about subdivisions like this and I hope that we wait until we have another new master plan which will provide for preservation of open space before we give away any more of it. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Walter Smith. PROFESSOR WALTER SMITH, Orient: Sometimes you've been confused, but tonight I think exceeds everything. The mention was 5 million gallons a year. This comes to 15 thousand gallons a day which I don't think will supply very many people, so that leads to another problem. Another problem I'm worried about is he has a very nice picture there, but he has no contour lines. In other words, how far above sea level are these various components that he's putting in? In 1950-some odd we had a storm surge of I think eight feet two ~nches and the water level has come up since then, so we can expect a higher storm surge right now. An then he talks about filter material. He just goes over, he's going to take lhe sulphur out and so forth, what happens to all that filter material? Are you going to take it to the Town dump? What are Page 17 - Reconvened ~blic Hearing - Nicholas S...ick Change of Zone Pefition they going to do with it? An now I've been teaching chemistry for many many years and I've never seen anything disappear. I think the nitrates and phosphates and such are going to be here and he talks about 100 feet, 130 feet from the water level. I remember years ago we did a study in Goose Creek studying movement--one of the movements with phosphate, nitrates and nitrites through the gravel. It took about three weeks for material to move from the cesspool into Goose Creek. In fact, we could graph the concentrations, what holidays it was by level of phosphate in the water. Interesting thing. An then another thing that happens here, what happens if we have a long period of deep freeze? I mean I can vision two rows of ice on either side of the road, nice skating. Then we have the other point, the non-point pollution. This is a favorite of mine. Fifty percent of all the waste ~hat's generated is non-point. In fact, that's one of the problems with the Southwest Sewer District. We spent billions building a sewer plant but it only controls 505 of the waste. We've dogs, we've cats, we've all these other animals that really contribute a fantastic amount of waste. And then we also have the next problem coming up the line of viruses. Now the Department of Health--County Department of Health for a number of years has felt that 100 feet was enough to get rid of a virus. Now we find 200 feet--the Brookhaven study of the 208 group-- we're gefting viable viruses 200 feet away from the point source. So there are a lot of problems I think that have to be looked at and very written answers made--made available to everyone so we can read them, because I don't think a verbal display is enough. I think we have to have it on pencil and paper and see what's going on. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else in the fourth row? If not, in the fifth row? In the sixth row back there? Anybody else in back of the room that wants to be heard? Yes, mam? MRS. VIRGINIA GILL, Orient: I just wan~ to say that we do not want. fhis condominium complex in Orient Point because of the problems with wate~~, sewage, and traffic which have not been adequately explained away. This proposed condominium/conference center would change the atmosphere of the whole community. For most of us this is our only home, not our second home. Many of us have invested our savings to retire here, hoping to spend the rest of our days in this beautiful area. At the last meeting Ms. Wickham spoke with disdain of new- comers wanting to close the door behind them. I am a relative new- comer, I've only been here for eight years, but I do pay taxes here, I do vote here, I contribute to local organizations, I even donate my blood here, so I feel very much a part of Southold Town. I do want to close the door to multiple residence zoning. I would like to show you something. This is good clear delicious Orient water. We have it now, we cannot take it for granted. Let us hope we have it for a few years in the future. I want to mention this article in Newsday recently. All about Long Island's water problem. Very interesting. They mentioned about the wa~er problems of shoreline communities such as Long Beach. I happen to work there. They state, "Experts do not forsee similar salt water intrusion in Suffolk in the near future, except on the North Fork. Good water management should have top priority." I quote again from this article, "In some parts of Long Island, Nassau and eastern Suffolk the future is already here." I hope our Town Board will consider our concerns, and thank you very much for listening. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else in the back of the center section who wishes to be heard? We'll move over to the west. Mr. Berks. Page 18 - Reconvened ..ablic Hearing - Nicholas St,lick Change of Zone Petition MR. ROBERT BERKS, Orient: I don't want to repeat all the that have been said. I'd like to ask the gentleman who's the water study, has he put together an exac~ system like has it been in operation for ten years? things presented this and MR. BODWELL: No, it's been in operation for six years. MR. BERKS: Where? MR. BODWELL: Florida. MR. BERKS: Florida isn't the same circumstances, as Mr. Wickham spoke. MR. BODWELL: Florida is more rigerous than this one here because we had a higher brackishness content. MR. BERKS: I don't think that's an adequate answer to the question, as pointed out before. Next question. If such a system is put in and the corporation goes bankrupt, who is responsible to maintain this very complex system with all the parts, and as you said earlier it goes back to the Town. The question I ask, why do we need more problems than we have now? Thank you. MRS. TODD BERK$, Orient: Part of this belongs to the same question. Has there been an ~onomic assessment made of this project? MS. WICKRA~i: Yes, very thorough. MRS. BERKS: Has the Board examined it? MS. WICKHAM: We didn't submit it to the Board, no, it is our projection, and the R-O system, even with the additional surge system that the Board of Health suggests that it be left as a contingency as well within the budgetary guidelines. MRS. BERKS: Does it include what the taxpayer burden will be? MS. WICKRAM: Mr. Wolf, last meeting .... MRS. BERKS: He painted a glowing picture. I can't really believe it. I wonder if you have a worst case scenario in this--in your economic assessment? We heard Mr. Wolf's best case scenario and it was dazzling but I wonder what the worst cas~ scenario is, ;~nd as my colleague here said, if for some reason these projects don't sell and we're caught with the burden of it~ what will it cost the taxpayer to maintain? MS. WICKHAM: I don't know exactly what your question is~ but we-- there have been tremendous amount of cost projections in terms of the water, in terms of the maintenance. The whole system is designed-- has been designed for minimal maintenance and minimal cost~ and certainly all of the projections we have had on market studies, on need and on demand indicate that the project is financially viable. Both the inn/ convention center portion of it as well as the private investor condominium center. MRS. BERKS: And the rest of the question. If it fails? Page 19 - Reconvened ~ablic Hearing - Nicholas Sc.,ick Change of Zone Petition MS. WICKHAM: If it fails? Well, any project can fail. SUPERVISOR PELL: Mrs. Berks, will you please stand up and repeat it if you want an answer so everybody can hear the question. MRS. BERKS: Quite simply, this project is one that exists in many places in this country and some of them very successfully, but in one swoop this project is planning to change completely the character of this Town and certainly of the village of Orient and if it does make this dramatic change it should have some long-reaching responsibility for these changes and it should be able to project failure as well as market research success. MS. WICKRAM: What we're proposing is a project for a very unique, very special piece of property. It's going to be a condominium project which involves maintenance charges, owner/investors---owners and investors and therefore those people will bear the burden of the cost of the system. It's going to be built in stages so certainly in terms of the actual impact, if the first stages aren't financially successful, they won't continue and have the full project, and the construction will proceed along that basis. Certainly before the project is even constructed I'm sure there will be further market studies. We are just at the zoning stage and the entire project still has to go through site plan review and many details have to be worked out--what the services will be delivered by the home owner's association, etc. SUPERVISOR PELL: All right, anybody else on the west side? Mr. Moore. MR. DAVID MOORE, Orient: I didn't come here prepared with a question, but just picking up on that one, would the Town consider demanding or requiring some sort of a performance bond from the developer equivalent to the cost of putting a public water system and sewer system and so forth into that area before they start the construction? So that way if it goes bust the bond will be there, the Town is insured against financial disaster and if it's feasible, I don't even know whether it is, but at least that way the Town's people would be protected. SUPERVISOR PELL: The Town Board can look into it. it's feasible at this time either. Anybody else I don't know if on the west? Yes, MR. JOHN ROINS, Orient: Perhaps it would be a good idea also to get a performance bond assuring that the quality of life in Orient is not changed. MRS. KAY HOINS, Orient: There were a couple of that came to my mind. We spoke of the disposal of those would there be? Your drawing presents how many disposal units will there be? questions that I had of waste. How many one disposal unit, MR. BODWELL: Between eight and ten. MRS. HOINS: And one of those will serve the Inn as well? MR. BODWELL: Maybe two at the Inn. MRS. HOINS: Two at the Inn to handle dish washing, clothes washing? Thank you. Page 20 - Reconvened ~ablic Hearing - Nicholas Sc,,ick Change of Zone Petition SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else on the west side? MRS. KATHLEEN LATHAM, Orient: I want to ask about swimming pools. You haven't mentioned those. How many pools did you have in mind for this large group? MS. WICKHAM: One. MRS. LATHAM: One. I don't know any details about how much water that takes to use and clean and so forth, but I don't know if that went: into your projection of water use. Did it you? MR. BODWELL: Yes. MRS. LATHAM: Would it be a fresh water pool or a salt water pool? MR. BODWELL: I'm anticipating fresh water. MRS. LATHAM: Fresh water pool. Okay, well there were just a couple of things I want to go over that Mr. Bodwell said. One remark that impressed me which you said that it was a very shallow fresh water system and I felt that was a good point. Another thing that worried me a little, you said, "we think that by having an infiltration gallery--", I put the emphasis on , "we will minimize the dropping of the water table." But, it's a little like that parachute that l{ilton Heitzman spoke about, you know, if we're not sure, we think. Okay, another comment you said--you were talking about the sewage treated--not a treatment plant but the sewage which had gone through the different things and water going out--not 80~, but some of it going out into the Sound and I think we all had the same question, but why not use that, why don't you plan to use that water since you're trying to get all the water you can? MR. BODWELL: Well, I think we have a very simple problem today that we have a system where we can bring the fresh water available to the site in balance with our water supply and have a safety factor of two in a drought year, a safety factor of two and a half to three in a wet year, so we feel with those types of safety factors, there's no justification to bringing your septic system in closer to your potential recharge even though many of you I am aware are working with systems and living with systems today where a higher percentage of recharge is taking place with your septic waste than what we are proposing on this site. We feel the total water balance, and we're looking at this as not only storm water management, but fresh water, drinking supply management, we have a system that has got a lot of conservativism in it, has gone through two extensive reviews in Albany and we feel that we are basically being conservative and we have the simple expedient, if necessary, to back up our water supply by moving the distance. MRS. LATHAM: Without using that extra part? MR. BODWELL: Yes. MRS. LATHAM: Okay, now Virginia Gill brought a sample of water that she has, but we don't. We're using--where I live at Pete Neck we're using an R-O system. We just have a little tank and I believe that Page 21 - Reconvened ,ublic Itearing - Nicholas Seasick Change of Zone Petition for every drop of water we get, six drops of water are wasted, not 15% of the water, but 600~ of the water is wasted, so that concerns me a little, the idea that you might have more waste than---I don't know. MR. BODWELL: Fifteen percent is based on the fact we do not anticipate, based on the tests and documentation we have developed to date, that you will ever go over 750 parts chlorides. Remember, drinking water quality is acceptable with a total TDS of roughly 500. That means with other constituents you can keep your chlorides in the 350 to 400 range on this side. MRS. LATHAM: Now, last thing I wanted to say. The property now, I believe, is zoned agricultural-residential, is that right? SUPERVISOR PELL: Most of it. There's one little section of "M". MRS. LATHAM: Except for the Inn, right, which I think was built by some ancestor of my husband's, but I'm willing to give it up. Anyway, now, so that's the way it's zoned now, most of it, agricultural-residential. And as we have the studies going on I think what we have to consider that although it's one acre per family, I think we all have to consider now that we want to go to maybe two acres, maybe five acres per family in order not 5o swamp the boat--that's sort of putting it backwards, but: why would we want to change it for more families instead of less? Really, why--what would be the reason for the Town Board to okay changing it for more when what we really should be doing is---but even if we didn't change it all, the [east we could do is---I mean, there doesn't seem to be any good reason to change it for more dwellings. We don't really want more and we've lots of reasons. Thank you very much. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else want to be heard on the west side of the room? If not, before we close, anybody else want to be heard at all here? MRS. HUGHES, Orient: I'm the lady that lives way down the end. We live at the house down at the end and while we have enjoyed so many years there I just cannot imagine living with condominiums and convention centers in our backyard. We have had a water problem for all the years we have been there, which has been a long time and we have put up with it because we loved it so much. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mrs. Hughes. Over here on the east side I saw a hand. Yes, sir. MR. LINTON DUELL, Orient: I was a former real estate agent for Grumman Allis, California and IIawaii. There are a couple of questions--and these really don't pertain to Mr. Dodwell, but I've been to three of these meetings now and the problem with the meetings that I've encountered is each person who has spoken for the developer has had a different approach as to what this project is going to be and if I can get my thoughts together, I'll see if I can figure it out. Early on when we had the town meefing in Orient there was supposed to be a small convention center with 120 unit condominiums and in the first proposal there was only 20 rooms for the convention center. There was supposed to be a two month project. People would come to stay July and August for what we call the "season", Memorial Day to Labor Day, and that would be it. Page 22 - Reconvened ,ublic Hearing - Nicholas So,lick Change of Zone Petition If I'm not mistaken, that was Mr. Buchanan's approach. Then at the last meeting here a couple of weeks ago, I could be mistaken about who was doing the speaking, but it was Ms. Wickham or Mr. Weintraub, they stretched the season, because they were trying to impress us with the fact that we would have greater employment for people in our area who need the employment. Now those are two diametrically opposed positions. First they're trying to sell us a project that's supposedly only going fo affect us for two months out of the year. Then you turn aronnd and you tell us that there will be more people staying out longer, there won't be the "season", Memorial Day to Labor Day, but it will be early April to late October, maybe into December. We've got nice weather now, we've got a lot of people that come out whose houses aren't even closed up. So now the point I'm going to get at is, the water system is supposedly used during those two months at its peak, 90 thousand gallons during the two month period, probably July 4th weekend. Okay, that's fine, I can understand that because it's going to be shut down at either end. But the position you've made now is that the project is going to really be stretched out. There'l] be people staying longer so that means the water supply is going to have to handle more and more, there won't be as massive recharge during the lean months as you say there will be, because there will be more water being used. I'd like to know what the position of this project is. Are we looking at a summertime condominium/convention plan, are we looking at a year-around plan where say 50% of the units will be occupied either by occupant/owner or by rentals. It seems to me you people are telling us two different things to the group that you're presenting if to, and if you would become a little more concise about how your project is aimed, maybe we could make a better decision on whether or not it's going to affect our way of life. SUPERVISOR PELL: Gall, does anybody want to answer that? MR. BUCHANAN: I'd be happy to answer tbat, because I was af both heari~gs, obviously, and of course from our view point we have been consistent, even though it has been received differently. We've stated that the project has two components, one of which are the condominium units that will basically, we feel from market survey, be used as resort condominiums and there are approximately 120 of those unJts. That the inn and conference center as an adjunct to that an additional 30 suites which will be used--will be rented or used by their owners part of the time during the su~ner and also rented to summer occupancy and then used on either end of the season as part of this conference facility, which is not a convention center, it's not a large--it's not nearly large enough a building or have enough facilities to be anything like Harrison Inn or other places you might know of and we--so far as the use, we cannot control-- obviously, the use of someo~es home, nor do we intend to. The market is basically aimed at people who would be buying homes,primarily as a second home and [ think--I believe we've been consistent in saying that and that has been our goal and it's on that that w~rious market analysis have been based and that means there will be a peak season in terms of water l~ut it will not start up on che first of July, neither will it drop to nothing on the first of September. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Anybody else wish to ask anything before we close this meeting? Anybody else who has not spoken yet before we go back to tbe second time around? Yes, sir, in back of the room. Page 23 - Reconvened Pablic Hearing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone Petition MR. DANIEL MENDOLSON, Orient: I have a home in Orient Point in Orient- By-The Sea. I'm very much impressed by the lack of endorsement of this project by anybody except those people who are hired to endorse it. There hasn't been one voice raised in favor of it. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: of the room. Anybody else that wishes to be heard? In the back MR. PETE NATHANSON, Orient: I live and have a business at Orient Point. Excuse me for not being here earlier, I had a prior commitment of a meeting. I think I'll be possibly the one person who is affected most by this because I do live there and also I have a business right there adjacent, just directly across the street from this project. If water is a big problem l'm going to lose my house and in turn also lose my business. Because of the restaurant/snack bar facility I'm very reliant upon water. As far as I'm concern from the business aspect of it, more business in the area, as a business man I'd be foolish not to say I want to see more business. Any other business man there would probably be the same way. If I can be guaranteed that I'm going to have my water, if this water system will prove adequate for the area and not affect anyone else I have to say I'm definitely all for it. Maybe I'm the only one that's going to say yes if they want, but deep down inside I would definitely like to see the area developed. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to be heard? Anybody else wish to be heard on this before I take people for a second time? Mr. Buell. MR. DUELL: Now that 5~r. Buchanan has answered my lengthy first question, I'm going to go on to something else which is closer to what I used to do. I'd like to know who's going to be managing your not convention center, but your hotel suites or whatever you want to call it? And do you see any type of time-sharing, lease-back or any type of participation between the condominium owners or whoever owns those condominium units and some type of management firm. I'd like to know if it's .just going to be owner-occupant and per se a rental agreement between the owner- occupant and somebody else or are these units going to be pooled into some type of pseudo hotel-condominium group. I'm familiar with those, I've worked them before and this is starting to give me an idea. I've seen this happen before, I've been a participant and I'm starting to get to feel that if these un,ts aren't occupied by the owners then there may be some other means in which the owners will recoop or carry themselves through the lean period of the year, whether it's through young families who need to rent something for nine months out of the year or whether or not you're going to expand your convention center and rent the units as an increase in your hotel suites. I'm talking about time-sharing and lease-back. IIR. BUCHANAN: You're talking about the units, not the suites or the other--- MR. DUELL: I'm not worried about the suites, I'm worried about the 150 units, whether nor not it's going to be owner-occupant or what? SUPERVISOR PELL: Gail, address the Board, please. MS. WICKHAM: As far as the 120 units, I we have that number clear, that will be the condominiums outside the inn, those will be privately Page 24 - Reconvened ublic Hearing - Nicholas Sc.~ick Change of Zone Petition owned by condominium owners. Now, if they're going to rent them, that's up to them. It will be a standard condominium maintenance in terms of the management. There will also be 30 units, which Mr. Buchanan mentioned, affiliated with the inn. Those will also be privately condominiums~ how- ever, during the convention season, which is primarily, as was mentioned, spring and fall, they will be under the control of the management for use in the conference center. MR. DUELL: Fine, that answers my question half way. 120 units now, will they be able to tie in with your management group? MS. WICKHAM; It's not contemplated that they will. The conference center, because of its size and capacity in terms of the restaurant and everything else, will be for the 30 units, the suites that are going to be involved with the inn. MR. DUELL: Okay, thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to be heard on this before we close the hearing? Mrs. Tiedke. MRS. TIEDKE: I'm still concerned about the water. You mentioned that there will be enough water for a drought year. Do you recall a drought of the late 50's that ran to about 1965 on Long Island? Were you here? MR. BODWELL: I was not hero. Island. The drought year was talking about--- MRS. TIEDKE: MR. BODWELL: MRS. TIEDKE: MR. BODWELL: I didn't say it I was doing engineering projects in Long not a fifteen year period that you're was 15 years. You said a drought ran for .... From the lat 50's to about 1965. You're talking about the five or six year period. Those drough~ years were not as severe as certain other droughts we have records of and we planned this project for the most severe drought year--- MRS. TIEDKE: Yeu said a drought year, you did not say a series of drought years. MR. BODWELL: Tt~at is true. We picked the worst year for a drought year. MRS. TIEDKE: In that span--1958 or '59 to '65, what was the worst of that six or seven years? MR. BODWELL: I can't answer that tonight. I'll be glad to look it up and provide it for you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Before I close the hearing .... ~Ir. John Wickham. MR. WICKHAM: I'd just like to follow up what she says. The ~reci~itation in one of those years was a base period which we used for the study whicl~ Page 25 - Reconvened ~'ublic Rearing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone Petition Cornell assisted us with. The rainfall was roughly half--half of what we often get. But the thing I wanted to particularly bring to your attention was the fact that the last time I appeared before your Board we were talking about something else, namely Temik, and ground water problems. Since then I've had a chance to spend several hours with a professor at Cornell and he made a point which I think is important in this context. He was talking about the factor of safety. He says the factor of safety is a judgment factor, not one to be made by scientists, one to be made by people. I would like to point out to you that the factor of safety and use in Temik is a factor of 1000. The factor that we've just been presented with is a factor 2. A slight d~fference, gentlemen. SUPERVISOR PELL: Before we close the hearing, counsel do you have any remarks you want to make before we close it? MS. WICKHAM: At the last meeting I addressed the reasons for the rezoning and number of arguments that were made by the people other than water, and I'm not going to repeat them for you tonight, they're in the record. I'd just like to say as far as the water tests go, there was some concern about the scientific basis for this test. I think Mr. Bodwell's credentials are apparent and are included in the report and his detailed testing and basis for his conclusions are in the report. We are also not only looking to what our engineers are telling us but what the authority of the State Department of Hea[lth is saying in terms of a review process, and nothing can go forward without their official okay. As I say, we do have a technical endorsement of the project and the details will be worked out if and when we go through with the site plan, depending on the decision here tonight. I think that questions of margin for errors or factors for safety and possible contingency problems have been addressed in Ihat report and presented tonight. I don't have anything further. SUPERVISOR PELL: Gentlemen on the Board, anything you would like to ask the counsel or the developers? (No response.) Il' not .... MS. WICKHAM: I would like to submit Mr. Bodwell's Report and the letfer from the Health Department. SUPEI{VISOR PELL: If there is nothing further, the hearing will be c]osed as of this time. dith T, Terry Sou~hold Town Clerk Orient  P.O. BOX 66 GREENPORT, NEW YORK 11944 East Marion Greenp0rt S0uth01d Pec0nic December 10, 1982 Supervisor atlZiam R. PmI! & $outhold Tomn Board Tomn Hall $outhold, Nme York 11971 III Gentlmmmn: PLease be advised that the roLloming reeoLutton aaa passed by the Board o? D/rectors or the Oreenport-Southold Chamber o? Commerce at a regular meeting held on December 6, f982: "RESOLV£D that the Crmenport-Southold Chamber o~ Commerce favorably supports the proposed changm or zone from "A" Residential-Agricultural District to "~" Light ~ultipim Residence District on property of Nicholas Schick located at ~ain Road, Orient~ Nmi York and recommends approval of this charism of zone application by fha Southold Tomn Board. I~ ia the opinion of this chamber that our area has long ~een tn timed or such a convmntton center-motel complex. We believe that it mould genmrata the tourist industry and tharmby create a boon to the mconomy of the local arma,". This letter is sent as a re-affirmation of our original letter sent to the Planning Board and Sou[hold Tomn Board on July 26, 1982. Very truly yours, John H. Berryman, President r. reanport-Southold Chamber JUDITIIT TFRRY OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 December 23, 1982 Abigail Wickham, Attorney Wickham, Wickham & Bressler, P.C. Ma~n Road Mattituck, New York 11952 Dear Gail: Enclosed herewith is a "Notice of Significant Effect on the Environment" in connection with the Nicholas Schick petition for a Change of Zone, which determination was the subject of a Town Board resolution on December 21, 1982, copy of which is enclosed also. Mr. Schick is hereby requested to prepare a draft environ- mental impact statement for submission to me upon completion. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Southold To%vn Clerk Enclosures JUDITIt T TERRY OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF $OUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE t516) 765-1801 NOTICE OF SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT Dated: December 21, 1982 Pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law; Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations; and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Southo!d To%mi Board, as lead agency, does hereby determine that the action described below is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environment. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION Petition of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-l" General Multiple Residence District on certain property ar Orient, in the Town of Southold, New York. Further information can be obtained by contacting Mrs. Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk, Southold Town Hall~ Main Road, Southold, New York 11971 Copies to: David DeRidder, DEC, Stony Brook Commissioner Flacke, DEC, Albany Southold Town Building Department Southold Town Planning Board Town Clerk's Bulletin Board Abigail Wickham, Attorney for Nicholas Schick PATRICK E. LYONS 2,2: tnST 20~h STP[-ET NE'/v ~OPk N'~ 100~6 December 7, 1992 Mr. William Pell, Supervisor Southold Town Hall Main Road Southold, New York 11971 TO' i Off $OUTHO -D , Dear Supervisor Pell: I am writing to you as a concerned citizen o[ Orient regarding the pending vote you are to make on the Nicholas Schick project at Orient Point. At the first public hearing, I expressed my indignation at the attempt by Mr. Schick and associates to use their "proposed restoration" of the Orient Pmnt inn as a wedge to move the residents of Orient to Iavor their ill-conceived scheme. I will state that there is NO sentiment in Orient in [avor of Mr. Schick's "restoration"; they may as well start from scratch with their proposed con[erence center, for under their plans there will be virtually none of the original inn saved, There are many other more important factors which make this proposed development scheme a disaster for Orient and for Southold Town. We reside on Main Road and the current level of trafiic, especially in the summer months, is already near capacity--I do not need some hypothetical report, paid for by Mr. Schick, to tell me otherwise-- because I live there. The plans for water and sewer resources at Orient Point, as proposed, will alot work; again you are being asked to rely on another hypo- thetical report, again paid for by Mr. Schick. kl/hat I tear is that all of us as taxpayers in Orient and Southold Town will eventually have to pay the cost of polluted sea and ground water and the cost o[ an alternative water supply. I implore you, Mr. Pell, to vote NO to this ill-pLanned and eventually distrous scheme. Thank you for your kind attention. RECEIVED Town Clerk Southold TO tae Town .Doard ooutnold, ~.%. GenSlemen; Oefore i z'eCirem i was a teacher in£~ew ~orK City, and i my sucre:ers trav~lling in tais country and in ~urope, waere 1 saw manj spectacularlj beautiful places. 'z'nen i sp~n~ a s~r in urien~, w~zere I naa frienas. ~t firs5 I founa it charming an~ a bit ~ull, but suun 1 came tu eeo t~at, in 1ts quiot ~ay, w~tn its open ~paces, i~s farms and varied ,~a~rs, its lovely weli-kep% village, it was u~ique aha as Oeautiful as anything i ~ se~n anywhere. ~.~ore, i ~s impressed wiG~ ~ne cuurtesj an~ ~i~anoss of its ~eople, ann with their civic priue in tae QoaUL~ Lnem ann ~neir oobormination to pro=erve fortunate enough bo finn a small house to ouy, ann I nave since Do~n a ~ovo$~d resimen%. I r~avo naa visits ~lere from French, l%alian and Polish frionds. ~11 foil in love wit~ anG marvelled at i%s continued existence in a wurld increasi~gly overcrowded, ugly and u~uly, l u cnang~G 51'~eir conceptiun of ~erica, which they nad expec%ed to ling materialistic and garish. 'l'r~e developmen%s proposed, orient Point ~nd oettlers, profounaly cnango bne character of orient, quite asime from health =nd safety problems, simply by doubling or peraaps tripling %ne population. The pressure for mor~ shops, wimer roads, a gaudier s~yle of life, would be overwnelmi~g. You few gentlemen on 5ne Board are the sole guarOimns of unique treasure, leu nave the awesome po~er to presez~ve it for post6riCy or let it be ruined. I pray that y~u will nave tae wisdom to proservo it. oincerely, ~i. rs. ~bn~l ~randeis~ Orient Point Southold New York Buchanan.Weintraub Architects Henderson& Bodwell Engineers Nicholas Schick Developer Site ': ', Orienl~Point '-~ ,eTti?Site Plea ~.~ i ,.~. ~.,~-~' ... View kom ~eadow Iowarcl Big House and Beach Club Ioward Beach Hous®B ~ Beach Club View of the Inn/Conference Center /t/ View from Dining Porch to Long Island Sound View of Two-Story Lounge It comes as · real surpebe to mm flint any of the ofl~tals of the Town of Southold is sm~onsly mnsidertnu the development of the Orient Point property for anything else than the renewal or replacement of th~ hotel. .Consider that in the past the Plaunin8 Board turned down uppll~flons reqneetln~ less than one house per acre, stating that there wl, an't gtmmdwater enonuh for that density under this pmpe~. Consider that tn the put nearly iH of our mnR~ple residence uses have been of seasonal nature -- motels nad tho like -- which were only occupied for part of the year. Condominiums. on the other band, can be expected to be lans~d for off-seuon use in many c~ses. This wJfl result in much more wate~ ~nsumptinn. ~n fact, out "M" dintTint deneky allow- ance wn~ determined fDr putt- ttnle occupancy only, and R Is no doubt t~me that we entaBlished a ~nlums. There bein8 no possibilR~ of anpplyln~ the water needed for the p~,~l~ed deveJopment f~)m on-site wells without ~t tn~u. sion, the very real question is how the water requh'ements are to he met. The a~vcrse o~no~Jn plan ml~t work for s while, but can be expected tn hcre~e nallnRy tn nearby &,z~]ndwater to the Ix)inS cal. In sho~, out ~mdwater comes only from rain and snow. ~ic~h water might be used by the p~D~ed method for a short time, but, quite simply, you cannot ~et more ~reih water than fails on the land for any protrac- ted period. · ruble ~st. This, of coupe, ~d cut. do~ on the field of li~ units, but, much more ~t, what wo~d be ~ne ~ the ~moved s~t? h is l~ely il ~d ~ ~lowed to in~ea~ ~e s~hRy of eRher ~d or by. It wo~d ~imply have to be truc~d away. ~e oth~ ~tomative would to ~end the ~een~ water m8~s to ~ant ~ht. ~ is no ~u~ that m~y p~ple ~ ~ent nd ~ssibly ~een~ ~uld ~l~me such n pl~ even R wo~d ~ ex~nsive. However, to p~de the add~n~ water requirements the G~an~ sys- tem ~uld have to develop a new weilfield, ~is ~uld p~sumably be st Cutchosue, and even i~o~g the ~s of such p~. ~e ~dants of Magi- tuck, New Su~lk nd N~nu ~ht who ~ have a ~ic~ s~ htrus~n pmb~m ~d mo~ relu~t to ~ &eir only surplus aren pumped out to supply this ~ of thug at ~ant. ~ sho~, ~though we c~ be ~nably su~ that the County ~d of He~th ~ turn &Is pmj~. we all. town o~ci~s ~d ~sidants ~e, mu~ cle~ly ~der~snd that ~e ~dwat~ of ~u~old is abMlutely l~ited. ~r present ~n~S ~ based on · is fa~. If there is a que~i~ of who or what w~ez u~ ~ets p~o~y It bemmes ~ isle eye.one ~ the Town of ~uthotd. S~ly you~, J~ ~..; ..... * Ct~o~ue, N.Y. Lab No, Field No. ~//.~> Date; Time: Col, By: '~'/'~-'~ (Name not initials) Date Received in Lab Public Water Private Water Other Date Completed Examined By SUFFOLK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES PUBLIC HEALTH LABORATORY CHEMICAL EXAMINATION OF WATER Point of Collection Partial L~ Owner or District Complete E3 Resample [] Free Ammonia Nitrites + MBAS (m9/I) Spec. ~nd. ~mhos/cm Chlorides (mg/I Sulfates (mg~ SO Iron (mg/I Fe) ~p~r (mg/I Cu) Zinc (mg/I Zn) ~dium (mg~ Nitrites (mg~ N) T.Hardness (mg/I CaCO3) T. Alkalinity (mg/~ CaCO3} Ca Hardness (mg/I CaCO3) Mg Hardness(mg/1 CaCO3) Arsenic (mg/I As) Selenium (mg/I Se) Cadmium (mg/I Cd) Silver (mg/I Ag) Lead (mg/I Pb) Chromium (mg/I Ct) Mercury (mg/I Pig) Fluoride (mg/I F) Barium (mgll Bal Total Hyd P(mg/I) DIRECTOR Form No. PHL-1 Field No.' ~0 ! Date: ~/¢~/~: 2.- Time: ~ Col. By: ~ Name not initials) ba,e ~eceived in Lab Public Water Private Water ~/' · '% Other Date Completed Ex a mine~d By SUFFOLK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES PUBLIC HEALTH LABORATORY CHEMICAL EXAMINATION OF WATER Location Point of Collection Owner or District Rema~s: Partial Free Ammonia Nitrites + Nitrate; (mg~ N) MBAS (m9/I) S~c. Cond. ~mhos/cm Sulfates (mg~ SO4) Iron ~mg/I FE) Man~nese (mg/I Mn) N~tr~tes (mg/I N) Complete T.Hardness (rog/1 CaCO T. Alkalinity (mg/I CaCO Ca Hardness (mg/I CaCO Mg Hardness(mD/1 CaCO Free CO2 (Nomagraph) Turbidity (Units) Color (Units) Cadmium (mg/I Cd) Silver (mg/I Ag) Lead (mg/I Pb) Hexavalent Chromium Cyanide (mg/I CN) Fluoride (rog/1 F) DIRECTOR Resample [] C.O.D. (mg/I) T. Solids (rog/I) - 180" C D, Solids (mg/I) - 180°C S. Solids (rog/l) - 180"C B.O.D. (mg/I) I! _// orm No. PHL I Field No. ~0/ , public Water Date ~/~/~ private Water ~ime Other Col. By /f~ Date Complete~ [Name not Initials) ExaMined By ,, SUFFOLK CO~T¥ DEPARTM~SNT OF MEA~TH SE~JCES DIVISION OF FIEDICAL LEG~kL INV~STJSATIONS ~ FORENSIC SCIENCES PUBLIC HEALTH L~BOP. ATORY TP~CE ORG~kNIC A3~ALYS1S OF WATER Point of collection Compound ppb 25O 305 Methylene Chloride ............ 290 Bromochloromethane ............ I-- 251 323 ~ 254 1,1Dichlor~thane ............ 309 Trane Dich]oroethylene ........ ~___ 252 300 Chloroform.' ................... i-~ 253 324 1,2 DJchloroethane ........... .~2~255 321 1,1,1 Trichloroethane..>... 58' 30~ Carbon ~etrachloride .......... ~ ~ 259 294 1Bromo-2-Ch]oroethane ........ 257 405 1,2 Dichloropropane ........... __266 310 1,1,2 Tr~chloroethylene ....... 267 303 Chlorodibromomethane ~ .......... 268 293 1,2 Dibzomoethane ............. 265 420 3~1 311 3O8 320 295 307 302 2-Sromo-l-Chloropropane ....... 415 Bromoform ..................... ~ ~ ~12 Tetrachloroethylene ..... Ci~-DichloroethTlene .......... Freon 113 ..... -__~ 406 Dibromomethane ................ 322 1,1 Dichloroethylene ......... I 409 BromoDichloromet~ne .......... I~!~ 1,3 Pichloropropane .......... 1~295 Cie ~chloroDropene.. Compound ppb ~en=ene .............. .......-.-- '- '*'~- Toluene.. o-Xy]ene. m-Xy] erie ......................... p-Xy] eme ........................ X) leoe~' {S) ........ Ch] or oben zene ..... Ethylbenzene ...... Bromobenzene .................... o-Ch!orotoluene ................. __ m-Chlorotcluene ................. p-Chlorotoluen8 ................. chlorotoluzne (s) ............... m-D~ chlorobenzene ............... o-Dichlorobenzene ............... ':7 p-Dichlorobenzene ............... __ ,2,4 Trin,e~hylbenzene .......... __ ,3,5, Trimethylbenzene .... 2,3 D~cnloropropene ............. __ 1,1,2 Tr~chloroethane ........... __ 1,1,1,2 9etr~ch!orethane ........ __ 1,2,2.3 Tetrachlor~ropane ....... £-?et rach]o~octhane ............. ],1,1,2 Tctr,.~c~]oropropane ...... Lab No. P- F~e~d No. (51) Date Time Col. By - ~ Rec'd in Lab ~/ Public Water ~/~ / ;-z-- Private Water ~ Other /~_~.~ ? Date Completed >' SUFFOLK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES DIVISION OF MEDICAL LEGAL INVESTIGATIONS & FORENSIC 'PUBLIC HEALTH LABORATORY SCIENCES PESTICIDE ANALYSIS OF WATER (3) Last Name (4) Street No. (8) Community Mailing Address (20) Pub (15) Distance to (9) Street __ Ncom ~ Priv / (14) District Farm /~0 ft. / (13) Section (30) Nap Coordinates / / / (16) Block (3]) Well Depth ,t~O ft. / (17) Lot (57) Resample? Yes Ke~ ~ No __ / (1) Data Base No. COMPOUND PPB / MG/L (222) (425) (426) (224) (427) (429) (430) (431) Aldicarb ............. Aldicarb Sulfoxide ... Aldicarb Sulfone ..... Carbofuran ........... 3-Hydroxycargofuran .. Oxamyl ............... Carbaryl ............. Methomyl ............. Metham ............... ~ ?B) Nitrate / PUBLIC }{EARING SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD NOVE~IBER 9, 1982 8:00 P.~. IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION OF NICHOLAS SCHICK FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM "A" RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO "H-i" GENERAL MULTIPLE RESIDENCE DISTRICT ON CERTAIN PROPERTY AT ORIENT, NEW YORK. Present: Councilman John J. Nickles Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr. Councilman Francis J. Murphy (Deputy Supervisor) Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr. Justice Raymond W. Edwards Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker Absent: Supervisor William R. Pell, III COUNCIL~.IAN I[UiIPtIY: This is a public hearing concerning a Change of Zone application of Nicholas Schick at Orient. I'd like to ask Councilman Larry Murdock to read it. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: "Pursuant to Section 265 of the Town Law and requirements of the Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, public hearing will be held by the Southold Town Board at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, in said Town on the 9th day of November, 1982, at 8:00 o'clock P.M. on the following proposal by Nicholas Schick to amend the Building Zone Ordinance (including the Building Zone Maps) of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York. By chaning from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-l" General Multiple Residence District the property of Nicholas Schick situated at Orient, New York, and more particularly bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a point on the ordinary high water line of Long Island Sound, where the same is intersected by the easterly line of Lot No. 6 of the subdivision known as "Lands End", Suffolk County File No. 5909; Running thence along said ordinary high water line of Long Island Sound the following thirteen (13) courses and distances: (1) South 40° 25' 36" East 42.64 feet; (2) South 50° 36' 45" East 102.37 feet; (3) South 62° 11' 38" East 168.23 feet; (4) South 73° 47' 4~" East 189 feet; (5) South 68° 03' 04" East 137.28 feet; (6) South 72° 19' 46" East 598.52 feet; (7) South 78° 36' 11" East 126.86 feet; (8) South 83° ,i4' 17" East 123.06 feet; (9) South 89° 11' 29" East 378.47 feet; (10) South 86° 53' 58" East 129.56 feet; (11) North 86° 09' 54" East 133.10 feet:; (12) North 81° 06' 07" East 340.80 feet; (13) North 77° 20' 09" East 140.88 feet to land of The United States of America; Running thence along said land of The United States of America, South 22° 00' 00" East 136.57 feet to a point on the ordinary high water line of Gardiner's Bay; Running thence along said ordinary high water line of Gardiner's Bay the following three (3) courses and distances: (1) South 62° 45' 00" West 47.25 feet; (2) South 59° 43' 27" West 389.03 feet; (3) South 56° 27' 16" West 191.61 feet to land now or formerly of James T. Hughes; Running thence along said land now er formerly of Hughes, the following three (3) courses Page 2 - Public Hen_ina - Nicholas Schick Chance of Zone and distances: (1) North 36° 06' 50" West 233.06 feet to a monument; (2) South 53° 53' 10" West 100.00 feet to a monument; (3) South 36° 06' 50" East 228.57 feet to a point on the ordinary high water line of Gardiner's Bay; Running thence along said ordinary high water line the £ollowing nine (9) courses and distances: (1) South 56° 27' 16" West 78.11 feet; (2) South 56° 36' 40" West 387.48 feet; (3) South 53° 09' 01" West 260.15 feet; (4) South 49° 20' 18" West 125.70 feeL; (5) South 56° 01' 15" West 140.02 feet; (6) South 46° 25' 28" West 88.13 feet; (7) South 53° 40' 50" West 75.92 feet; (8) South 63° 18' 18" West 209.88 feet; (9) South 59° 05' 29" West 108.09 feet to land now or formerly of George E. Latham, Jr.; Running thence along said land now or formerly of Latham, North 33° 40' 00" West 159.09 :feet to a monument and other land now or formerly of Latham; Running thence along said other land of Latham North 2° 03' 40" East 200.20 feet to a pipe and other land of Latham; Running thence along said other land of La,ham the following two (2) courses and distances: (1) North 2° 03' 40" East 534.19 feet to a monument; (2) South 76° 11' 20" West 343.60 :feet to a monument and land now or formerly of William G. Wysocki; Running thence along said land now or formerly of Wysocki, South 74° 45' 40" West 203.85 feet to a monument and land now or formerly o£ The Long Island Lighting Company; Running thence along said land sow or formerly of The Long Island Lighting Company, South 78° 11' 40" West ]00.00 feet to a monument at the easterly line of land of C.S.C. Craneport, Inc.; Running thence along said land of C.S.C. Craneport, Inc. the following two (2) courses and distances: (1) North 8° 04' 40" West 75.31 feet; (2) Nortt~ 89° 25' 30" West 210.73 feet to the westerly line of Lot No. 11 of the subdivision known as "Lands End"; Running thence along said lot North 0° 57' 30" East 142.12 feet to the southerly line of Lot No. 10 of the subdivision known as "Lands End"; Running thence along the southerly line of said Lot No. 10 North 82° 48' 10" East 171.08 feet to a point; Running thence still along said Lot No. 10 and along Lots Nos. 9, 7 and 6 of said subdivision known as "Lands End", North 1° 21' 30" Eas~ 1004.08 feet to the ordinary high water line of Long Island Sound at the point or place of beginning. Any person desiring to be heard on the above proposed amendment should appear at the time and place above so specified. Dated: October 19, 1982. By Order of the Southold Town Board, Judith T. Terry, Town Clerk." I have an affidavit by Patricia Wood on behalf of the Long Island Traveler-Watchman testifying to the publication of the notice in the Long Island Traveler-Watchman, and I have an affidavit from Karen Jean Rysko on behalf of the Suffolk Times in Greenport testifying to the publication. I have an affidavit from the Town Clerk saying that the xtem was published on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board. I have a letter from the Suffolk County Department of Planning addressed to Mrs. Judith T. Terry, Town Clerk. "Dear l~rs. Terry: Pursuant to the requirements of Sections 1323 to 1332 of ~he Suffolk County Charter, the Suffolk County Planning Commission on October 13, 1982 reviewed the above captioned application and after due study and deliberation Resolved to disapprove it because of the following: 1. The contemplated density of development appears excessive considering the unique physical characteristics of the premises; 2. It appears injurious to the integrity of the limited underground water resources in the locale; 3. Environmental constraints preclude reasonable development under existing zoning; 4. It is inconsistent with the Long Island 20g Water Quality Management Plan and subsequent related Page 3 Public Hea. ing- Nicholas Schick Change of Zone studies of the Suffolk County Department of Health Services which indicate severe water supply limitations in the locale; 5. It is inconsistent, with the Long Island regional element of the N.Y.S. Coastal Zone Management Plan which designates this area for open space and recreational use; and 6. It is inconsistent with the Town of Southold Development Plan which designates this area for agricultural-single family residence development. Very truly yours, Lee E. Koppelman, Director of Planning." I have a letter from the Planning Board of the Town of Southold to the Southold Town Board: "Re: Orient Point Property (Nicholas Schick) Change of Zone. Gentlemen: The following action was taken by the Southold Town Planning Board on Monday, August 2, 1982. Resolved that the Southold Town Planning Board recon~end approval on tile application of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "H-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, New York. This resolution was unanimously adopted. Very truly yours, Henry E. Raynor, Jr., Chairman." COUNCIL~{AN MURPHY: Thank you, Larry. At this time I would like to ask any people here who would like to speak in favor of this proposed change to please step forward. Abigail Wickham. ABIGAIL A. WICKHAM, Attorney for the applicant: Mr. Deputy Super- visor, Members of the Town Board, ladies and gentlemen. My client has applied for a rezoning of a 46 acre parcel at Orient Point, New York from "A" Residential and Agricultural[ to "M-I", in order to use the property in conjunction with an adjoining "H-I" parcel of two acres as a condominium-conference center. There are several areas to be covered in our presentation, i.e. the reasons for the rezoning, the planning justifications, the traffic impact, and the water and sewer analysis. I have invited Mr. George Buchanan, of Buchanan and Weintraub, the architects on the project, Mr. Peter Wolf, a planning expert, and Mr. Benedict Barkan, a traffic engineer- lng expert, to testify tonight in support of the application. Our engineers, Henderson and Bodwell, have met today in Albany to straighten out some technical questions raised by the Board of Health, and will be unable to present their report tonight. However, ~Ir. Bodwell advised me by telephone today that the discussions in Albany today were positive and that he responded to most of the technical issues, which will be addressed in a supplemental report. I am prepared to proceed with the other aspects of the presentation, and would like to request a recess of the hearing for the presentation of tile engineering report by Henderson and Bodwell, as well as for the submission of a written statement by Peter Wolf on his testimony this evening, and a draft of the proposed covenants and restrictions Mr. Schick intends to place on the property. If possible, we would like to request that portion of the hearing be adjourned to your next evening meeting of December 7th. I don't know if you want to take that up now or--- COUNCIL~{AN MURPHY: We']l reserve decision. biS. WlCKHAM: In order to address the rezoning reasons, I would like to briefly describe the overall project proposal. I have for you a copy of the Southold Town Zoning Map which is colored to show the Page 4 - Public Hea~,ng - Nicholas Schick Chan~ of Zone parcel in question in blue, the nearby Inn property, business prop- erty, park property and remainder in "A" zone. And I would like to ,just submit that. It's not very big for the people in the audience, but it just will give you a point of reference as we go through. If I may introduce that as an Exhibit and maybe pass a few around up here. (Exhibit I Southold Town Zoning lIap, Orient Point Area.) MS. WICKHAM: While site plan details are not generally appropriate until a rezoning is ~n place, we fee] that the scope of the project is an integral concept to this rezoning idea and I'd like to briefly outline the salient features for the record. As the first witness, I would like to call Mr. George Buchanan. COUNCIL~IAN I~URPHY: George, will you raise your right hand. Do swear that the testimony that you are about to give will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? you MR. GEORGE BUCHANAN, Buchanan g Weintraub, architects: I do. liS. WICKHAM: Would you please give the Board your name and address and qualifications? MR. BUCHANAN: My name is George Buchanan and I'm a partner in the firm of Buchanan ~ Weintraub Architects, with offices at 730 lIain Street in Branford, Connecticut and offices in l~anhattan as well. I'm a registered architect in the State of New York and I'm also a teacher on the staff of the Architecture School at Yale University. MS. WICKHAM: Have you been employed by Mr. Schick to design the Orient Point project? ~R. BUCHANAN: Yes. biS. WICKHAM: I understand there firm which have been submitted to brie£1y identify them. is a series of renditions by your the Town Board. Could you very MR. BUCHANAN: This a group of drawings which are being submitted in quadruplicate to the Town Board. This is the drawing that describes in detail--this is the site plan of our proposed develop- ment for the Orient Point Site which I would just like to review briefly with you. The site is indicated in the colored portion here. This is the ferry dock coming up to the highway and out towards Orient. The development consists of 120 units of resort condominiums that are located in clusters along Long Island Sound and Gardiners Bay, as well as an additional 30 units--condominium units that are related to the relocated, renovated and reconstructed Orient Point Inn, which will provide the focus for this development. The Inn being reused as a restaurant, lounge and conference facilities in off season. Conference facilities which would use these flanking condominium units, the 30 units, as part of the conference during the spring and fall. The Inn has been relocated because since it was originally built, the land around it has been developed so that it is a small parcel of land and really uncapable of expansion or providing P;~ge 5 - Pubilic Hea~ing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone sufficient parking and here it recaptures the prominen5 position that it had 100 to 200 years ago when it was really the sole build- ing this par5 of the site. The other faci]ities on the site include recreation facilities for the development itself, a small swimming pool, club house and tennis courts and key to the development are the leaving of large portions of open space, primarily that entire area of land, which exception of the hotel space, facing on Gardiners Bay between the beach itself and the existing right-of-way where the trees and the telephone poles are visably located. The units, as you can see from one of our other exhibits, and this is drawing that people have see up on the site of the Inn. One can also start to see a little bit of some of the flanking units that would have the suites that are part of the Inn. The style of the houses, which are still in the development for these clusters takes as its origin the style of the houses primarily out in Orient itself, of that kind of turn of the century. MS. WICKHAM: About how many buildings do you propose? BUCHANAN: Approximately 20 buildings on the site, containing multipie units. MS. WICKHAS!: Can you given an idea of about the average square footage of the units? MR. BUCHANAN: The square footage of the units will vary from between 1200 square feet per unit up to maximum of 1500 and maybe a little bit more. MS. WICKHAM: How does that size compare with your average single family residence? MR. BUCHANAN: Well, ~verage single family homes are always larger. liS. WICKHAM: Do you have an estimate of the cost of moving and restoring the Inn? MR. BUCHANAN: We estimate that the Inn itself will cost somewhere in the range of a million dollars to move and restore, including the grounds, and that cost is one of the determinates for the number of units on the site that has to be amortized over the number of units of resort housing that we have. liS. WICKHAM: Would this be feasible with a single family development? MR. BUCHANAN: No, it would not be feasible, it wouldn't be sufficient in any form. MS. ~VICKHAM: I'd like to ask that the drawings that have been presented, which the Board already has, be introduced as the second Exhibit. (Exhibit II 8 drawings of the proposed condominium-conference center.) MS. WICKHA~!: I do not have any further questions for l{r. Buchanan at this time. I would now like to outline the considerations raised by the Comprehensive Plan of the Town of Southold, primarily by Page 6 Pubic Hearing - Nicholas Schick Chang~ of Zone reference to the study of Raymond and May Associates of 1967. Since my copy is on loan from the Mattituck Library and is due back in two weeks, I've made a copy of Pages 1, 2, 3, 7, 22 and 23, to which I will be referring for introduction into the record, rather than the entire volume if that is acceptable. The introduction to the study on page 1 states, quote: "the essence of any planning program is to determine the conditions which have influenced a community's growth and development and to evolve goals and development policies appropriate to deal with these conditions." In his presentation, ~Ir. Wolf will address some of these conditions and their relation to this application, but first let me review the primarily specific policy considerations for zoning set forth in the Raymond and May report at pages 2 and 3, and there are eight of them. 1. The first objective is to preserve agriculture. This property has been used as farmland, for several types of vegetable crops and now a rye cover. However, it does not have an irrigation system. Even the present "A" zoning would not protect an agricultural operation, since the spectacular waterfront position will surely result in some type of housing construction, and the "M-i" zone maximizes the shorefront use, which is one of Southold Town's prime assets. The parcel is also cut off by single family residential developments to the west and business zoning to the southwest. Thus, the parcel's viability for agriculture on a long term basis is small. 2. "Major residential development" is to be encouraged south of Route 25 and on a strip along Long Island Sound. Water is the primary concern of this section. Obviously, the word "major" residential development doesn't preclude other locations, and the unique position of this parcel, at the terminus of Route 25, on Long Island Sound and Gardiners Bay, makes it ultimately suited for "M-I" zoning. The water issue will be discussed at the engineering section of the presentation. 3. The third consideration is wetland preservation, and there are no grass marshes located on the property. The average elevation is about 12 to 16 feet. 4. The fourth consider- ation is retail development, which has limited application to this project in that some retail services, such as a restaurant/lounge and other amenities would be furnished at the Inn/Conference Center. This is retail zoned business property in close proximity to this site. 5. The fifth consideration, industrial development, is not applicable to this presentation. The sixth concern is open space consideration. This has been maximized in this project both inland and along the Bay, and moreover, although the property could now be used for approx- imately 40 homes of any design and of a large size, this project will contain far fewer buildings than a single family development and will cluster them to provide maximum open space. Number seven, trans- portation and traffic will be discussed by Mr. Barken. Number eight, capital improvements are inapplicable. However, I might mention that the project is in close proximity to a large State Park, a restaurant, marina, ferry link to Connecticut, and a small airstrip. At pages 22 and 2~ of the Raymond and ~{ay report, the trend for increased demand for resort facilities was recognized. They recommend "limited extension of resort areas containing such uses as motels, restaurants, hostels and ~narinas." While specific areas are recommended, Orient Point is certainly suitable for, and was at one time, resort-hotel site. I would like to mention that the primary use, residential, is the same as the present zoning, with the addition of the Inn to be restored to a position of prominence as it once enjoyed. The main difference then, is density. In terms of people density, water and Page 7 - Public Hearing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone sewer are the key elements, and this will be addressed by Mr. Bodwell in the engineering. Mr. Schick has decided to limit the project to 150 dwelling units, although the "M-i" zoning would permit approximately 225 units. 150 was arrived at as the number of units necessary to financially justify the project, including the Inn restoration and the water system. In terms of building density, the visual impact will be minimized by the series oi attached units, containing less square footage than most single- family homes. The question has arisen in many peoples' minds-- they're all here tonight--why should this request be granted? We maintain (a) that the project will supply needed resort housing and a conference center to boost our important tourist industry and business community in Southold Town over an extended season. (b) The project will maintain open space, and it will provide new public access to Orient Point for visitors to the Inn/Conference Center, to the fishing areas on the point, and to the services of project, including the restaurant and tennis courts. (c) The project will attempt to preserve the historic architectural integrity of Orient, which has been ignored by many of the newer single family residences. (d) The project will have minimal impact upon municipal services and traffic, and will not adversely affect Orient's fragile water supply, which I am going to leave to be demonstrated by the experts. (e) Since the developmen~ of the property even under current zoning is enevitable, we ~hink the proposal is vastly superior to single family residences in terms of building density, public access, open space, and in bolstering tourism, business and employment opportunities, and tax revenues. There is a specific section in the Comprehensive Plan governing multiple residences at page 7. It is said to be appropriate when the need and demand develop, and we think they have. It is suggested that the multiple residential areas be located in the immediate vicinity of retail shopping centers. This is certainly more of a concern for year-round residents than in this project where the residents will likely be seasonal and weekenders. However, the need for services nevertheless does exist and we think they can be met in several ways - by the amenities to be provided at the Inn, by the services available at the nearby business district, which could be more fully developed, and by the business communities of Orient, East Marion and Greenport, which are sure to benefit. On this part o~' the Island, some fravel is necessary for any person. While the services in my home and business communities of Cutchogue and Matt~[uck are expanding, I must often travel to Greenport or River'head in order to obtain some items, even though I prefer to shop locally. I think this is a characteristic of our Town and fortunately for this project, it will be less of an imposition than it is for us year-round residents. As to the recommendations of the Suffolk County Planning Commission, I believe that reasons 1, 5 and 6 have been addressed above and will also be answered by our planner; and reasons 2, 3 and 4 will be answered by the engineers. The primary concern was water and that we believe we have a handle on. Finally, the Town of Southold does not contain adequate provision for "M-i" facilities, particularly those which are resort-oriented. There are no undeveloped Sound-front sites except a small "M-I" area near the nursing home and an "M" light parcel at Brecknock Hall with less waterfront than this parcel. The only available Bay-front property is at Cleaves Point, which is partially developed, but is Page 8 Public Hea~'ing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone of limited capacity, and most important, this is the only area in Southold where a concept like this could be fully realized.- I'd like to turn the meeting now over to our planner, Mr. Peter Wolf as our next witness. (Exhibit III - Pages 1, 2, 3, 7, 22, 23 of Comprehensive Plan, Town of Southo]d, New York, Raymond & May Associates 1967.) COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Peter, will you raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? MR. PETER WOLF, Peter Wolf Associates, Land Planning and Land Investment Management: I do. MS. WICKRAM: Would you like to start by giving your name, address and qualifications, please? [IR. WOLF: Associates, with offices in New York City and in East Hampton. I am, in addition, a full member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. I have been chairman, for the past ten years, of the Institute for Architecture and Urban Studies in New York City, which is a non-profit educational research and development corporation registered in the State of New York. I'm also a professor of planning and teaching architects at Cooper Union New York City. In addition I'm the author of several books, particularly focused on land uses and land planning in this country. One called The Future of the City, and the other Land in America. Land in America having been published just last year. I will submit to you here a more complete biographical resume and a firm brochure for your records. My name is Peter Wolf, I'm principle of Peter Wolf a land planning and land investment m~nagement firm (Exhibit IV(a) Firm brochure of Peter Wolf Associates, Land Planning & Land Investment Management.) (Exhibit V(b) - Resume of Peter Wolf, A.I.C.P.) ~R. WOLF: In addition, I intend, following this evening, to submit a written copy of the statement that I'm about to make. I've been asked as a professional planner and land investment management consultant to comment on two particular aspects with respect to the proposed Orient Point project. These are: Need and demand for the proposed project. First let me address the question of need. In order to address this question af the outset, I would like to comment on particular areas of impact and benefit which can reasonably be expected as a consequence of the proposed development. The first of these is related to preserving and indeed returning to the proposed site area a portion of its historical heritage. Clearly through restoration of fhe Orient Point Inn, a major landmark and gateway symbol for the region itself, as a fine, commanding welcome to New York State, is reestablished. An immediate next consequence of both the restoration of the Inn and the concommitant proposed additional development of its immediate area as a top quality residential resort and conference center will surely be substantial economic benefit. Page 9 - Public Hea~,ng - Nicholas Schick Chan~z of Zone Not only will a sizeable number of temporary construction and construction related jobs be created, but also on an ongoing operational basis it is estimated that 50 to 60 regular, new, full-lime seasonal .jobs will become available to area residents and about half that many on a year-round basis, and we'll submiT, with my written report, a table documenting how we've arrived at those jobs. Construction costs alone at the project are estimated in excess of $13 million dollars with total development costs ex- pected to reach over $20 million. Sales of materials and services required to make this project happen, alone, will produce a very substantial economic boost to myriad organizations, businesses and individuals in the area. Once the project is completed and occupied, an ongoing stream of retail, professional, and maintenance services will be required. Certainly the impacts of new demand for retail sales, and all forms of services related to people's individual and real property needs will be experienced primarily along the eastern portion of the North Fork. Real estate and market observes target substantial positive impact throughout Southold Town. Because of ~be conference aspect of the proposed project, and the well designed, energy efficient housing, ir is expected that people will be attracted to the area not just duing the traditional summer season of two or three months, but for a much longer season, and indeed to some extent throughout the year. This expectation will lengthen out the curve of positive economic impact across many more months than the sharp peak of eight to twelve weeks so long experienced in the area, only to be followed by a predictable and precipitious downturn in the important tourist and seasonal housing industry of the North Fork. The local municipal financial balance sheet in Southold Town, Orient Hamlet and the Oyster Ponds School District will surely come out big winners as a consequence of the proposed development at Orient Point. Sales tax share will expand, but more important, a captive real property asset whose market value, as I've already mentioned, including land, is likely to exceed $20 million dollars in the first year following completion, is projected to throw off real property tax revenue based on current rates, in an annual amount in excess of $250~000.00 per annum. Based on the 1982 Southold Town budget of approximately $17 million, this represents approximately a 15% increase in real property tax revenues. What is all the more significant is to recognize that there will be almost no call on these revenues for expenditures as a consequence of the project. Few, 5f any, school children are expected re inhabit this proposed development. Most of the residents are expected to be seasonal, second home occupants, who will therefore make few, if any, demands on municipal services of any kind. Confer- ence guests will obviously have an opportunity to spend money, but none to demand public expenditures on their behalf. Southold Town Police, though some monitoring may be required of them at the very entrance to the project, are likely not to have to expand services significantly. Another substantial benefit to the North Fork, east of Greenport, will be the provision of new, quality housing and the satisfaction oI demand for new housing on a contained and well designed site rather than sprawled throughout open spaces which might themselves be more appropriately continually devoted to farming or other significant uses. A concentration of facilities-- recreation, housing and conference--at Orient Poin~ will therefore serve to liberate other parcels of land in the same marker area from development and redevelopment pressure. Now let us consider Page 10 - Public IteL. ring - Nicholas Schick Chat.ge of Zone the site itself for a moment, and its most appropriate use. While the roughly 48 acre site has been used in the past for farming, this use encounters limitations, as Gall Wickham has already described. There are no on-site agricultural buildings and, more important, no irrigation system exists there and one seems unlikely to be feasible. Yet with relatively flat surface characteristics, and surrounded by expansi~,e bodies of water on three sides, this is clearly a most attractive spot for housing. Indeed, in discussions with real estate market experts all along the North Fork, this particular site has been consistently characterized as a prime residential site, in fact as one, and I'm quoting here, "of the very best sites for housing and related development on all of Long Island." Furthermore though we rarely think in these terms, this particular field and this particular point of ]and is a prominent gateway to New York State and ~o Long Island. Rather than enter past a dilapidated Inn crumbling in unsightly disrepair, sitting adjacent to a field, is it not more desirable to offer a handsome renovated historic structure and a destination that itself will attract and serve the needs of the people? The site is also being carefully thought of and planned to create positive community amenities for existing residents of the North Fork. A definite housing alternative becomes available to a local[ home owner who prefers the convenience in a condominium community. A good quality year-round restaurant is project, meeting rooms and associated services for commercial, soci~l and public gatherings will be available. Subject to availability, a new tennis center at the western edge of the site will offer excellent seasonal facilities. Access to the Point will be continued for fishing purpeses and while we seldom think of such things when contemplating a flat field bare of structures, as it is now, it would be possible in a conventional residential subdivision of this property to create a grid of streets, private lots, hedges and fences which would pre- clude the existence of and the enjoyment of open space on this site. Whereas, in the proposed approach, as George Buchanan pointed out briefly, significant areas along the waterfront and at the site inferior will remain open as perpetual, uninvaded open space. Finally, the unsightly power line which now runs the length of the property,nearly to the Point will, if possible, be buried under ground. Let me now say a few words about the question of demal~d for the kind of conference-recreational-residential project being proposed. While we all here tonight are thinking about this particular parcel of land, and this particular project, it is well to place it in another context, one in which it also properly helongs. This is the context of new trends and new types of demand for housing and expecially recreational second home housing in this country. Let me for a moment recall for you certain ways in which the underlying characteristics of the American population is now changing. You will see that these are pertinent. 1. We are becoming a nation of an increasingly high proportion of older people and older households. Increased life expectancies and decreased fertility rates have con- tributed to a total reversal of the situation just forty years ago when it was the younger generations which were expanding in number. Now the population in the age range of 50 years old and over is a real growth segment, exerting demand for desirable, appropriate accomodations. In fact, just yesterday the Census Bureau issued its latest report which "forsees a much larger number of elderly people than the bureau anticipated in its last population projections just Page i1 - Public HL ring - Nicholas Schick Cha..de of Zone five years ago." Point 2. The other major area of growth in demand :for housing of all types in this country is small households. Typically the households now being formed, of which half or more consist of only one or two people, seek smaller quarters than years ago; many want ail apartment or a condominium unit, and in addition they seek good, available, convenient recreation facilities as nearby as possible. Point 3. The average citizen is seeking less land, not more. As taxes, and operatiag expenses rise, and as assistance with garden, lawn and maintenance becomes ]ess and less available. In addition, increasing numbers of second home owners find that they have less time--or are willing to devote less time--to household and ground care and maintenance. In recreation communities this is all the more true, and is illustrated by the fact that a targer and larger proportion of all recreation housing starts in the past five years in this country have been for apartments, cooperatives and condominium units. 4. In- creased leisure time, increased incomes and increased freedom from jobs, especially for older people, is leading to a dispersal of second home and full time residences into areas remote from the cities. For example, in a 1972 poll of urban dwellers by the President's Commission on Population Growth and the American Future it was found that 34~ of a wide sampte of Americans surveyed expressed a preference to live in the open countryside rather than within a small town, city or suburb. And indeed, in the past ten years, as is now known from the 1980 census, just fully reported, it is the areas 50 to 100 miles and further from the cities that are growing at the fastest pace all across America, indeed they are growing at about ~wice the rate of the cities and suburbs. Calvin Beale, chief demographer of the U. S. Department of Agriculture, and one of the most perceptive and experienced demographers in this country, poi~ted out recently and with absolute justification as follews: "The renewed growth of population in nonmetropolitan communities vies with the continued ]ow level of the birth rate as the most significant demographic fact in the United States today." 5. For second homes and recreation oriented housing the most sought out locations of all are the limited number of places in American which possess fine scenic amenities such as waterfront views together with reasonably reliable access especially ~o roads connected to a regional highway network. In addition, when rail and bus service is also available, the attraction and the demand expands. Against this national background, it becomes easier to understand why a number of cluster type second home and recreational oriented projects have appeared or have been proposed in recent years along the North Fork, as they have been throughout most of the other sought out rural resort and recreational oriented communities across this country. But it is also easier, I hope, to understand why these proposals are ~n fact responsive to proven demand, to proven--it relatively new--patterns of living that users of these facilities seek. And located as it is, literally perched in a tantilizing and extraordinarily visible manner .just off shore from the densest, most highly congested and in many ways most productive centers of population in the United States, that is the northeast corridor, it takes no imagination whatsoever to envision specific demand and good sales results for the 150 units projected for this site. Now then, what about specific demand at the site and project feasibility? The very few better quality condominium projects in the immediate area have met with relatively good sales success even during the housing slump and depressed economic conditions whxch have prevailed nationally over the last 12 to 18 months. Now it appears that conditions are improving. Interest rates are down Page 12 - Public H~_,ring - Nicholas Schick Chat.ge of Zone substantially and still projected to fall further. The underlying economy seems to be stirring, and if Wall Street and the securities markets are indeed reliable leading indicators, then economic con- ditions should be much better a year or two hence, the period during which demand for this project would be matched by its availability. And informed market experts throughout Southold Town do indeed project strong demand for the facilities offered as proposed for this site. To review the current market, several comparable condominium projects in the site area were analyzed with respect to demand. At Sea Breeze Village, on Route 27 in Greenport as you all know, ail units sold out quickly and only one is now available for resale. This well received project offers excellent water views, is attractively situated, and well designed. However, this is purely a residential clustering of our buildings, each containing four units. Considering tile very substantial additional amenities to be offered at Orient Point, the projected unit values there--which are somewhat higher than those at Sea Breeze Village today--are viewed as realistic and expected to attract a strong demand. Another nearby development known as Cleaves Point, situated at the end of Shipyard Lane in Greenport was also inspected and sales experience reviewed. This project faces on Orient Harbor, but is sited across the street from the Long Island Oyster Farm facility. While sales have not been brisk, 11 of the 14 units already constructed are reported to be sold or are under sales contract, and the owners believe that the entire project will sell out during the next year or two. At Orient Point, and this is really the point, construction quality is expected to be much higher than at Cleaves Point; the Orient site itself is much more attractive, and substantial site amenities will be offered. All of these facts are expected to stimulate much stronger demand and prices at Orient than experienced at Cleaves Point. With respect to the Conference Center element of the Orient project, a few remarks about anticipated demand are also in order. Recent experience at the few nearby conference centers which mix condominium units and recreational resources have been reviewed. Tile only two comparable developments close to the site are Baron ' s Cove at Sag Harbor, and Gllerney' s Inn at Montauk. Guerney ' s, as you know, has been in business for quite a long time; Baren's Cove is in its first season. Conference Center activity, in spite of the poor economic showing national]y, has been quite good in the past year, even though the conference business is acknowledged to be sensitive to the overall economy. At both Baron's Cove and at Guerney's, meetings and conferences were found to bolster the off season periods, especially fall and spring. At both centers, ex- perience also shows that a conference facility capability increases overall site demand and unit occupancy by about 25y~. Even though competing conference facilities do now exist around mid-island, demand for attractive conference facilities in eastern Long Island is expected to increase as western Suffolk and Nassau Counts' companies of all types expand and as regional service organizations and institutions proliferate. As another part of the research effort I'w~ undertaken with respect to need and demand for this project, I interviewed at some length several established and knowledgable North Fork real estate specialists. Let me share with you by way of conclusion five of their concensus obser- vations and remarks: 1. On the North Fork demand is s~ronger for all water related housing, much stronger than availability. 2. Many people now seeking a second home prefer a condominium to a single family house because of ease of maintenance, improved security, and Page 13 - Public Ha.L£ing - Nicholas Schick Cha,.ge of Zone available recreation and services. $. The well-to-do elderly are a prime and somewhat neglected market. 4. Most local businesses and services in Southold Town will benefit in some way and a positive economic influence will be felt all along the North Fork. 5. The convention and meeting services are likely to attract the growing nmnber of organizations and corporations from western Suffolk, Nassau County and even the northeast mainland, and thereby stimulate tourism over a longer season than is commonly experienced today. Thus, in conclusion, and after careful review of the project in terms of need and in terms of demand all evidence indicates that the proposal is timely and that its general conception is appropriate to the market in which it is placed and to the specific site on which it is proposed to be located. Substantial benefit and advantages are expected throughout Southold Town as demand is satisfied and needs met through the development proposed at Orient Point. Thank you. MS. WICKHAM: Thank you. Our final witness, I'd like to ask Mr. Barkan of Barkan and Mess Associates to make a statement on the traffic :impact. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Mr. Barkan, would you raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony that you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? 5{R. BENEDICT G. BARKAN, Barkan and Mess Associates, Inc., Traffic Engineers and Transportation Planners: I do. MS. WICKHA~: Would you please address the Board as to your name, address and qualifications. MR. BARKAN: ~{y name is Benedict G. Barkan. I'm the President of firm Barkan and Mess Associates located in Branford, Connecticut. We're a firm of consulting traffic engineers and transportation planners that was organized early in 1976. ~ly own background is: undergraduate training in civil engineering, graduate training in traffic engineering and transportation planning and a number of years of experience in the field of urban planning. I'm a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers, the American Institute of Certified Planners, the Institute of Transportation Engineers, among other organizations. I have been in the consulting end of traffic engineering and transportation planning for well over 20 years, and as I said, formed my own firm with a partner six years ago. I also have a resume of my own background and I will be happy to leave this with you. the (Exhibit V(a) - Resume of Benedict G. Barkan of Barkan & Mess Associates, Inc., Traffic Engineers and Transportation Planners.) MR. BARKAN: I have prepared a report and I will leave copies of the report with the Board, but I would like to run through the major elements now. Our firm was asked to prepare a study to assess the likely traffic impact that would result from the development of the proposed project at Orient Point. As part of our study we did a field inspection of the site and its environs. We observed traffic on Route 26 at Orient Point in the vicinity of the ferry terminal of Cross Sound Ferry Services. We obtained traffic count data from the New York State Department of Transportation and discussed traffic Page 14 - Public Hu_cing - Nicholas Schick ChaL. ie of Zone conditions and accident experience with the Police Chief of the Town of Southold. We also had discussions with transportation planners of the New York State DOT and the Suffolk County Public Works Department. On the basis of the proposed land uses, which you heard described by the earlier speakers, we have estimated and projected the site generated traffic which can be expected in the peak season and we then took this traffic and combined it with what we call the background traffic already on the road system and determined adequacy of the resultant traffic operations. I will not tell you about present conditions, we all know about them. I won't tell you what Route 25 looks like. The report does summarize the activities of the Cross Sound Ferry Service. It lists the approximate frequency of service, the size of the vessels, and also mentions briefly the growth of that service over the last few years. There is also a discussion of the physical facilities, their parking lot, the various lines--waiting lines for small, large, small cars, large cars and trucks. The stand-by lane which we under- stand and we observed occurs on the shoulder of Route 25 and while we did not make our observations during the peak summer season we do understand that there is a problem with regard to the stand-by line which occasionally extends well around the bend and once in a while to the Orient Marina Restaurant, past the Plum Island facilities. The report also mentions the Plum Island facility, the work schedule 8:00 A.I~. to 4:30 P.M. Approximately 150 vehicles arrive in their parking lot before 8:00 and a similar number of vehicles leave after 4:30. In other words causing two surges of traffic ol~ weekdays that are associated with the Plum Island facility. As far as the anticipated site traffic, as we call it, I'll go into a little more detail on that. Due to the location and the seasonal nature of the proposed development, the greatest traffic impact on Route 25 is expected to occur during the summer months of July and August. This impact would result from the three components of the proposed development, that is, the condominium residential units, the restaurant, and the conference facilities at the Inn, which as you heard will be operated as a conference center primarily in the spring and fall as presently planned. Typical condominium development, that is not resort developments, the ones that are in metropolitan areas, exhibit sharp peaking characteristics of traffic during the morning and evening commuter hour. Such characteristics are not expected to prevail in this case. Instead, the hourly traffic flow variation probably would more nearly resemble that of a typical resort community. The traffic volumes would be low in the morning, steadily increasing towards the noon hour, remaining relatively stable through 6:00 or 7:00 P.M. and then dropping off gradually in the evening hours. The guest suites in the restored Inn are also anticipated to exhibit different traffic generating character- istics than typical hotel units, or motel units. The planned community wiil be relatively self-contained with a restaurant, swimming pool, beaches, tennis courts, and other recreational facilities. Therefore, in our opinion, off-site travel to and from the Inn by guests would be relatively small, reducing the amount of traffic that otherwise might be expected. The restaurant on the other hand could be expected to be somewhat more typical in the way it generates vehicular traffic. That is, there will be considerable activity through the lunch period, a decline through the afternoon, and a sharp increase after 6:00 P.M. However, even in this case the traffic gei~eration rate is expected to be slightly lower than what would otherwise be expected and this is Page 15 - Public H~LLring - Nicholas Schick Cha.,ge of Zone because it is assumed that some of the restaurant patrons will be condominium residents or Inn or guest suite residents, or perhaps ferry passengers who--day-trippers--that might walk to the restaurant, or possibly other patrons may arrive by car, but with the restaurant being a secondary destination, the ferry being the primary one. Based on this analysis, and the report goes a little further into it, the smnmer traffic volume of traffic generated by the combined proposed development is expected to be approximately 900 vehicle trips daily, that is, 450 vehicles arriving and the same number leaving. During the highest hour of such a day we expect that roughtly 10~ to 12% of that 24 hour total, or approximately 100 vehicle trips wiil occur. These estimates are based on statistical information compiled and published bi' the Institute of Transportation Engineers, supplemented by numerous studies of generally comparable land uses on file in our office. As far as roadway adequacy is concerned, first of all Route 25 through Orient and to Orient Point is a well-designed and well- maintained highway. In the vicinity of the site, the annual average daily traffic, based on a 1979 count, was 1,450 vehicles daily. The highest daily volume during theweek of the count in June 1979, was about 2,000 vehicles. It should be recognized that the traffic volumes on Route 25 in July and August are somewhat higher than June and there- fore the traffic volume would be higher. Also, they have increased somewhat since 1979. In our study we estimated that the [)resent peak summer traffic volumes at the site, that is near the entrance to the ferry, are in the neighborhood of 2,500, or possibly 3,000 vehicles. Just today I received a copy of a traffic count taken in August of this year by the New York State Department of Public Works, a count that was not available to me when we prepared this report, this court indicated that in fact traffic volumes have not yet grown to the level that we project, so what I'm say is we were conservative by being on the high side as far as the growth between '79 and '82. The newly generated vehicle traffic, as I said before, was added to this back- ground traffic~ and thus the combined volume would be in the order of 3,000, plus 900 vehicle trips, or 3,900 vehicles daily. This total should be compared to the capacity of Route 25, which is some- where in the range of 13,000 to 17,000. The poin~ I'm making here is that 3,900 vehicles on a roadway that can easily carry in excess of 13,000 indicates that construction of the proposed development and the addition of 900 vehicle trips daily during the summer months would not overload the highway. Moreover, sufficient reserve capacity exists for further development. As far as the adequacy of the traffic operation on Route 25 at the pier to the Cross Island Ferry Service, Inc. is concerned, that's a separate issue. As previously mentioned in the report, the traffic operations associated with the ferry service are, in fact, disruptive to the normal traffic flow on Route 25. Stand-by vehicles, as I mentioned, park on the shoulder of the highway and interfere with otherwise smooth traffic flow. The removal of the stand-by line from the state highway would dramatically improve traffic flow through the area. Confinement of the traffic associated with the ferry service to the ferry company's own property would make the overall area more invitint~ and improve the perception of Orient Point. This entire matter, we believe, should be addressed independ- ently of the present zone change request. Perhaps the parties concerned, that is the Town Board of Southold, Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc. and the New York State Department of Transportation should hold joint discussions and study ways to mitigate the obvious existing traffic Pag(? 16 - Public H~ ting - Nicholas Schick Cha.,~e of Zone problems that are associated with the ferry service. In summary, we conclude in this study that the present flow on Route 25 is well below the capacity of that highway and the addition of an estimated 900 daily trips due to the proposed development would not decrease the operating efficiency or safety of Route 25. On the other hand, the traffic operation associated with the ferry service does need improvement. As a very minimum, parking should be restricted alon~ Route 25 and all waiting vehicles should be required to park on property controlled by the ferry service. Thank you. I'll be happy to leave copies of the report with the Board. (Exhibit V(b) Traffic Impact Study, Orxent Point Development, Town of Southold, New York, prepared for Schick Realty International by Barkan & Mess Associates, Inc., Novelnber, 1982.) COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Gall, do you have anything further? MS. WlCKHAM: I don't have anything further on this presentation unless something comes up in response to questions. We do have a question about the final presentation of the engineering report and the two written items that were mentioned. Those are the only items that I have remaining open. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Is there anyone in the audience, anyone present who would like to speak in favor of this application? Former Councilman Henry Drum. CAPT. HENRY W. DRUM, Matfituck, New York: I would like to say that I concur with our Planning Board in favoring this project. I look at the alternative whereas we know the hotel, as it exists today, is a multi-dwelling, zoned for multi-dwelling. It could be rebuilt and occupied. Also, the 45 acres on the Point is one acre zoning. They could put approximately 39 to 40 houses out on the Point. They would be narrow strips, but this is permitted with out ~resent zoning. It would not require a change of zoning. Of course you all say this is--we all assume that there will be adequate water. This whole project assumes that there will be adequate water, but for this reason I feel this present proposal far surpasses the alternative that all of us are faced with here in Southold Town and that is having the hotel rebuilt and 39 to 40 homes in narrow strips on the point. In summary, I favor the project as presented tonight. COUNCILMAN ~URRHY: Thank you, Henry. Anyone else care to speak in favor of this project? If not:, I will entertain people speaking in opposition to it. For the convenience of everybody I wish you would limit the amount and let everyone speak first before you get your hand up again, and try to control it. ~7hy don't I start in back on the left-hand side, come down, go back up, and come down again and take comments in that order rather than everybody sticking their hand up. FRO~! THE AUDIENCE: You didn't limit ~hem. COUNCIL~AN MURPHY: You can speak all night. This was a oresentation in fairness to them. And please give your name and address. 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I've been in a condominium fire, it's not very nice, and that was an exti'eme instance, it was arson, but we could not have rescued anybody out of that dwelling at all, no chance. That dwelling was on the ground in ten minutes. You're working on 100~ volunteer services out here and I know you know that very well. Now, during the day there is a problem of manpower and there always will be. This is not going to increase manpower services down there whatsoever. It's going to provide a lot of extra time for the people with jobs who are trying to make a living out here. There's a lot of people that can talk about the wafer supply, the highway and every- thing else who are more qualified th~n I am, but I've got 14 years in the fire service and I don't want to see a fellow fireman hurt down there, or any civilian. Thank you. MR. MARTIN TRENT, Orient, New York: I'm glad we had the whole truth and nothing but the truth presented to us here tonight, without mentioning water supply, sewage disposal or fire protecfion. I jotted down notes as quickly as I could but there's a lot of things I'm going to miss I know. If you could .just go back to the letter from the Suffolk County Planning Departmettt, Item Number 3 says: "Environ- mental constraints preclude reasonable development under existing zoning," and on the following page it says, "Under existing zoning approximately 36 single family residences could be erected on the premises." What the environmental constraints are means that thaz land and that water supply could not even support 36 homes now. How they pretend to get 150 units on there is just beyond my comprehension. Go on to repeat a lot of other' things and many points that: can be refuted one by one. They state the rebuilding of the Inn is not possible which single family residence construcfion on the property. Fine, the people of Orient really don't it. The nofion thaf this project with 150 units would preserve open space is a joke compared to 36 single family homes. A resort conference center land use is incompatable with the community of Orienf. The traffic problem, if I understood your representative correctly, says that the average annual daily traffic is 1400 trips on the road and just this one development would increase that by 900. That just goes to show you if the present population of Orient now is about 850 people and you want to put 700 more it's fairly proportional. ~¥hat about the rest of Orient as it eventually and slowly becomes developed? Obviously the developers have a lot of money they are willing To invest in this project and are willing to st)end whatever it takes to meet the reservations of the Town, the health department or whatever on water supply and sewage disposal, but I wasn't privy to what happened in Albany today with the New York State Health Department and rep- resentatives of the Suffolk Counfy Health Department as far as water supply goes but reverse osmosis is something that may or may not work. The project may or may not be technologically feasible. There's other ways, you might be able to gel water--the Greenport Water District I know you investigated--they have problems meeting their' own demand. As you know, right now they've issued public notice that their water is not fit to drink until further notice. At present the Town is in the process of up-dating its ~Iaster Plan. Most of its residents are trying to conserve open space, upzone farmland, preserve farmland. I believe the residents of Orient would like to see this property used--to go back to its best use. Possibly upzone it for five acre lots which the water supply might support or a town beach or whatever, Page 20 - Public Hearing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone but not to accomodate 150 condominiums and a convention center regardless of what kind of facade goes on that convention center. The developers knew the property was zoned for one acre when they purchased it. I don't know why the Town should allow them to construction 150 units where at most only 36 would be allowed now. The proposed project would be detrimental to the rural atmosphere that we're trying to keep in Orient. You keep talking about trying--attracting more people to the area; this is not what the people of Orient want. The project is an environmental night- mare and it would accomplish nothing but the rape of Orient and I hope that the Town Board will not be an accessory to that. MR. MARTIN CRUESS, Mattituck, New York: I have a proposal for the developers. I propose that they take their investment as a tax write-off and give the property to the Town. I~S. VIRGINIA GILL, Orient, New York: I'm a member of the Perry's Bight Association. I invested a lot of money to have my home out here. I moved from Nassau County so that I can enjoy the country life and the peace and qulet and the wildlife and the birds and all tha~ sort of thing. I travel two hundred miles a day round trip to go to work so I can come home to Orient and have peace and quiet and I would hate to see this spoiled for me. COUNCILMAN MURPHY: Thank you. Is there section here who would like to comment. front. anyone else in the middle Over on my right now, down MR. PATRICK E. LYONS, Orient, New York: I live in Orient when I can, New York City the rest of the time. What I think we're really asking the Town Board, you gentlemen, to do--what these people are asking-- is to alter the rules of the game. Mr. Schick and Company are asking for a variance--a variance from a law which the Board has already admitted is somewhat inadequate. Why inadequate? Because we are already in the process of changing our ~{aster Plan. Surely we're not going to go [)ack to one quarter acre zoning, so what they're asking you to do is bend the already overtaxed rules, bend them to the extreme, which I think will have the result of destroying the community of Orient and much of the North Fork. Mr. Schick has sought this little gilded carrot, this trogan horse called the restoration of the Orient Point Inn in hopes that you would be so awed by this that we will not look at the rest of this grotesque thing that he hopes to sneak past all of us. What about this proposed restoration? We've seen their pretty little sketches that the architects have done, but what assurance do we have that that's what it will look like when it is finished? We have no assurance. It's proposed--what 2hey hope to do. So only the restoration right now exists only in the drawings they've submitted and I submit that that's the only restoration they'll every have. You will never have a restored Orient Point Inn, at least not from this crew. Under questioning last week the architect admitted they had no intention of seeking the National Register status for the building. National Register status simply means 2hat the federal government has established a method o~ judging the historic and architectural merits of buildings that we have. There's a whole very complicated list of filing that goes into this and they said, Page 21 - Public Hearing - Nicholas Schick Change of Zone no, they don't want to do it because there is too much bureaucracy involved. My wife and I also restored a little house on Main Road in Orient; we also just finished restoring one in New York City which is now listed on the National Register. These little bureaucrats that they talk about are some of the most dedicated civil servants that I have found. They're committed to preservation; they're committed to seeing that it's done right. So what's Mr. Schick afraid of? I guess he's afraid that he may actually have to restore the Orient Point Inn, something I submit he has no intention of doing. The other thing that I brought up the other night--this crown jewel of the Inn that they're ~alking about--right now sits out there rotting. They put up some lolly columns, not to protect the structure, but to keep from having an insurance claim if someone gets hurt when it falls down. The architects also admit they aren't really quite sure how they're going to move it and really how much they're going to save of i~. Mr. Schick says he's committed one million dollars to restoration which no way we're going to end up with anything that looks like that sketch, when they're through spending that much money for the restaurant, the landscape and everything else that goes with it. I think what we'll probably end of with though is some cinder block monolith with some plastic trim stapled to it, and this high class restaurant because of, well, budget restraints and they really couldn't attract anybody, will end up being l{acDonalds in keeping with the rest of the restoration. I think the main interest they've got in New England history is the gold old Yankee dollar. It's my feeling that the residents of Orient are not willing to have their heritage desecrated by this sham. As difficult as it is for me to say, I think the poor building ought to be put out of its misery, given a decent burial and be torn down. MRS. ESTELLE ADAMS, Orient, New York: I have one little note before I begin what I had prepared before that and I'm sure the Board realizes that they have had a very one-sided presentation for this. lIay I just make the comment that the talk about there being no public expenditures, only great tax increases to our tax base, certainly the Board realizes that just in your Town government alone any development, any large scale things that you did, would certainly increase many of the public e×penditures to the Town government just as a beginning. I would like to ask the Town Board to seriously consider keeping the faith. Iieeping the faith both to those who were inspired to have zoniag and a town plan established so as to keep the rural character of our area, and also keeping with the faith with those peopl, e who have since moved here to enjoy that same rural character, believing that with our zoning ordinances and town plan it was assured. No one considered down-zoning areas to crowd homes and people unless our plan calls for could be called keeping the rural character of the area. As each down-zoning of this nature is allowed the requests for them will snowball and we will be faced with all the concurrent problems of crowding and the loss of our rural character. Again I say, please seriously consider keeping the faith. MR. JOHN HOINS, Orient, New York: I'm also a refugee. I was born in Halesite and Halesite lost its zip code this last year because Huntington came down 110 and ate it. So I've been escaping from lying developers since I was seven years old. And I mean lying developers. I've been lied to at meetings like this, my word you page 22 - Public H~ring - Nicholas Schick Cha,ge of Zone wouldn't believe what Western Suffolk looks like. It's gorgeous; it's an architectural masterpiece. That's what it was billed to me as at every meeting of this nature that I've been to. My mother used to drag me. The one that got me first was when I had to put a collar on my dog. What was when Halesite was still rural. So now we're listening again. Next stop is Portugal. I haven't got any further to go. Not only that, they leap-frog me. Now they're betwee~ me and where I can escape from. I think the thing is that I'm a small[ town kid. That really is iE. It's where I can sleep, where I can do the things I like to do, where I can make a little bit of a living once in a while. A small town. Not getting rich. I've never lived in a new house. Fixed up every one we moved into. Never built a house. We've built a lot of them, and here's the thing, it's never going to be there again. I~ will never be there again. It's our last chance. Nobody ever takes it down, nobody ever plows up the blacktop parking lots in front of the old Grants and plants them back to grass again. Never happen. Just sits there blacktop. Got a chance. Just one shot. Stop them just one time. The difference is they don't understand. They were asked to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They have to give their name and address and every damn one of them gave their business address, not their home. PROFESSOR WALTER SMITH, Orient, New York: I always get the dull stuff. All these people made nice speeches but I'm afraid I'm going to have to stick to some questions I think that should be answered. One, we were talking about putting the condominium on the end there, now, 50% of all pollution is is non-point source, so if we look at the configuration of latorial drift in that area, it's going to go right around the point and get into some of our best fishing grounds. Puts that down very nicely on the movement of the water in that area. So we have to consider this non-point pollution as I said before was 50% of pol]ution in any area. Now, we're talking about ionic exchange. I got a whole mess of stuff on that. I'm a chemist and have a lot fun with all this stuff. It appears that it will take out 99.9% of all the organic matter. This great, but where are you going to put it? I mean under the Navigation Act of 1899, and I think the Clear Water Act of 1972 you canot flow it out in the Bay, so what are we going to do, have a bunch of trucks running back and l!orth to Jersey with it? So we have that little problem. Then we also have the other problem coming up is that at that area they say were 1.1 feet above sea level, I'm not sure of the number. In the August 31 hurricane of 1950 or '52 I think it was, we had storm surge of 8.4 feet in that area. Then we have another beaut that's coming along--from the period of 1963 to 1970 sea level rise of t inches. So what we have are many many factors--physical factors, chemical factors--that I think have to be discussed and looked at very closely by experts, not the people here who are paying for it, but I think the Board here should hire some experts--consultants--and get their opinion and see exactly just where this thing stands. I think you'll find that as you look at all the evidence that this could wind up costing the Town of Southold a bundle of money, because one thing could happen, the place could go bankrupt. Who's going to operate osmosis system; who's going to operate the sewer plant--the Town of Southold is going to have to do that then. The builder goes bankrupt he disappears. These people would be gone back to Connecticut. Who's stuck with the bill? We Page 23 - Public He,Lring - Nicholas Schick Cha~tge of Zone are. It's happening on the south side now with some of the condominiums. It happened all over Suffolk. As a person involved with a lot of these things we see it continuously, so we have to look at the continuing effect of this, what will happen as we go along. Now someone said catchbasins. Now I think the water level there is about 16 feet down to fresh water to if we go to catch- basin what we're going to do is put this stuff from the reverse system right into the fresh water column, what little there is there. So we have another problem. So we have all of these problems built up that should be looked at very very carefully before any decision is made. Thank you. DR. STANLEY S. FRANKEL, Greenport, New York: I have two questions. One relates to traffic. Traffic patterns were observed, but I don't think that the fact that there are other developments that would bring in further traffic, that are already proposed and allowed in the next few years would double or even triple the traffic pattern thai ()ur expert so carefully studied. These are developments that are on the books--no variances are needed--they can just be built and there goes our traffic. Another question will be directed more to the engineer with the sewage and water systems. This relates to his fancy idea of putting the septic tanks between the graw~] put and the ocean and he says he'll develop a head of war:er of three or four feet that will push the sewage out toward the sound. The only question is, if a nearby farm or drought causes the water level to decreased west of that area then that will just suck all the sewage into the aquifer or the pump-out centers that are used for municipal water. MRS. KATHLEEN LATHAh~, Orient, New York: I think we've all grown up thinking that as we went along things would get bigger and better and progress was inevitable and I think we've all had that feeling and I think that now we've sort of come to a turning point and it seems sort of a difficult situation because here are these people who a lot of unpleasant things have been said about, but I could find some good things in their presentation, but not for Orient Point. I don't know if you know how windy it is down fhere. But anyway,-- but here we are at this time and this evening, a room full of emotional people and sort of a beleaguered Board, I guess, and it seems like a sad thing, but I think in a way it's probably a necessary thing, I really feel that this is a turning Boint. I myself have never felt before worried about our fragile water system and all these things that I think we should worry about, and I think that--I really think ail of us haven't really worried so much and suddently we're all sort of united--we realize it, we've come to this point and I not only think you have the opportunity to be the leaders and to say progress is maybe a complete turnaround from what we've done before--progress is not down-zoning, [)ut progress is up-zoning. That takes a lot of courage and I'm appealing to you and I think with good reason, to be our leaders and lead us ~n a different direction while we still have time. Thank you. COUNCIL~IAN MURPHY: Now, is there speak on the subject who hasn't? further at this time? anyone further who would like to Gail,would you like to say anythi~g MS. 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No dust will be raised; no burning. 1, Occasional dust, 2. Dust created during construction phase· 3. (a) Open burning; (b) Frequent dust· Will odors be produced? 0- No odors. 1. Odors maw occur rarely (no more than an hour/week). 2. Odors may occur occasionally (no more than an hour/day). 3. Odors occur routinely (more than one hour/day). How will mobile sources of emissions be increased? 0. Project will induce less than 100 vehicle trips per average day. 1. Project will induce per day and provide 2. Project will induce per day and provide vehicles. 5. Project will induce Are stationary 0. None. 1. Emissions 2. Emissions ~ 5. Emissions less than 1,00O vehicle trips parking for less than SO0 cars. less than 10,000 vehicle trips parking for less than 1,000 10,000 or more vehicle trips. sources of emissions proposed? associated with residential activities. associated with commercial activities. associated with industrial processes or activities. E. I;4PACT 0N PI~ANTS AND ANIMALS What O. 1. 2. .3. type of vegetation exists on the area Little or none urban, industrial. Fields and farms. Old fields and reforesting. Forest. now? In what state are the forests at present? 0. Brush or seedling-sapling, low quality,'under- stocked, unmanaged, or no forests present. 1. Young forest, or pole stand. 2. Um:mn~ged intermediate age forest. 3. Presently managed forest; mature unmanaged forest. I© i 3. What will be the impact(s) on trees and shrubs? 0. No trees or shrubs will be removed, or no trees and shrubs present. 1. Construction will not affect trees and shrubs outside of area to be graded (question B-l). 2. Trees and shrubs on less than 10% of overall site outside of area to be graded will be affected (e.g. selective cutting of certain species or tree sizes, clear cutting, etc.). 3. Trees and shrubs on more than 10% of overall area outsid~ cf area to be ~raded will be affected. 4. What will be the impactfs) on ground vegetation {grasses, ferns, mosses, etc.)? O. No damage or modification,' or clear cutting or crushed for one growing season. 1. Clear cutting or crushed for more than one growing season. 2.Plants to be removed from less than 20% of site. 3. Top soil to be removed from one acre or less or plants to be removed from more than 20% of site. 5. What are plans for revegetation? 0. .Pre-existing vegetation will be retained and unmodified, or expected to recover from cutting or crushing. 1. Native vegetation will be replanted as sets, seedlings, and seed over all affected area. 2. (a) Non-native vegetation will be planted as sets and seedlings; lb) Native vegetation will be per- mitted but not planted. 3. (a) Non-native vegetation will be planted by seeding; {b) No plans for revegetation are proposed. What will be the impacts to wildlife (birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians and invertebrates)? -O. No species will be affected in any way. 1. Temporary displacement of wildlife during construction. 2. Permanent displacemen~ of certain species after construction. 3. {a) Permanent displacement of all species after construction; (b) Use of chemicals [e.g. herbicides, insecticides, etc.); (c) Selective extermination of one or more species; (d) Dogs in area where none ran before. *2. animal species Are there any rare or endangered plant or or unique vegetation communities on site? 0. None involved. ]. One or more species or plant community which is locally unique, unusual or biologically interesting. One or more species or plant community listed on New York or federal list seen near, on, or over site. One or more species or plant community listed on New York or federal list using site, e.g. for breeding, feeding, etc. F. IMPACT ON AQUATIC PLANTS AND ANIMALS What water bodies will be affected by proposed action? 0. None. i. (a~ Pond of 1/2 acre or less; (b) Intermittent or temporary stream. 2. (a) Pond or lake larger than 1/2 acre but smaller than 2 acres; (b) Permanent small creek; (c) Marsh or swamp of 1/2 acre or less. 3. (a) Pond or lake larger than 2 acres; (b) Marsh or swamp larger than 1/2 acre; (c) Permanent stream or river· I~hat is the condition of water body which is affected by action? ~. 0. Massively contaminated by human uses, or not affected by action. 1. (a) Appears to be capable of supporting some aquatic life; (b) Eutrophic. 2. Appears or is known to be in good biological condition. 3. Appears or is known to be in excellent biological condition, has no known contamination, and appears suitable for any human use. How will water body be impacted by action? 0. None. 1. Temporary draining, filling, or modification during construction, and will be totally restored. 2..-Permnnent modification of shoreline or bottom. 3. Permanently drained or filled. G. IMPACTS ON AESTHETIC AND HISTORICAL SITES Will archeological relics or important fossil beds be disturbed? 0. No finds of these types are known on similar sites in the area or this site has been destroyed by previous projects. 1. Occasional relics have been found near the site, but not on the site. 2. One or more similar sites have been studied near the project site and significant relics or fossils were found.. 3. Archeological relics or fossils have been found on the project site. -9-  2. Will registered historic or prehistoric sites or struc- tures be physically affected b~ the project? 0. There are none on the property in question and none will be affected. 1. There are one or more on the property, but they will not be affected. 2. One or more, either on or near the property, will be adversely affected. '5. One or more will be radically altered or destroyed. How close is the project to a designated or undesignated unusual or unique area? (Includes game preserves, fish- ing streams, scenic recreational and wild rivers, national or state landmarks, parks, historic or historic site 0. None located within *1. None located within *2. None located within and recreational areas, pre- or structure, etc.). 5 miles of site boundary. 1 mile of site boundary. 1,000 feet of site boundary. *3. Site boundary within 1,000 feet of such an area. How will views and vistas be changed· 0. Outside structures will not be added or changed significantly. 1. The project is similar to adjacent land use on similar property and will fit in historically and aesthetically, or the project will not be visible from adjacent properties. 2. The project is different from those around it but will be screened so as to not intrude in the area· 5. The project is visible and is not easily screened because it is different from others around it, and rises above surrounding ~eatures, or is located on a hillside or hilltop· How noisy is the project during construction? 0. 'No change in present noise levels is expected. !. Construc[ion noise is the only increased noise expected. This will last for less than 6 months. 2. As above except construction noise will last for less than 12 months· 3. Construction noise more than 12 months. 6. How noisy is project after construction? 0. No change in present noise levels is expected. 1. Only increased noise during initial implementation expected. This will last for less than 6 months. 2. There will be continued noise after construction not exceeding local noise levels. 5. Operating noise above ambient 9utside of structures. H. IMPACTS ON COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND SERVICES 1. How much will proposed acti-on increase capital of municipality {expansion of roads, utilities, ,. etc.)? 0. None, 1. Increases municipal budget less than 1%. 2. Increases municipal budget less than 3. Increases municipal budget more than 5%. 2. How much will action increase municipal expenditures for services (fire, police, maintenance, recreation, waste hauling and treatment, etc.)? 0. None 1. Increases municipal budget less than 1%. 2. Increases municipal budget less than S%. 3. Increases municipal budget more than S%. expenditures schools, IVhat impact will municipalities? 0. 3. action have on adjacent towns or AdjaCent towns have been advised and project is acceptable, or no adiacent towns affected. 1. Adjacent towns have been advised and project is being considered. 2. Adjacent towns have rejected action as proposed. 3. Adjacent towns have not been contacted. 4. Are relocations of businesses or residences required? 0. None 3. One or more relocations required. º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ      !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨ 11_ ~re there any unique or uqpsu~l lend forms on t~,e project site? (i.e. cliffs, dunes, ether forrations - __Yes _)[ N__ o. (Describe ...... area - Yes X No. 14. Streams wlthin or contiguous CO project area: N/~ a_ N~re of stream and r,~ of rid'er to ~hich it is tributary _ ~/~ 15. ta~es, rends. Yetland areas ~ithin or contiguous to project area: ._ *:a~e N/A i b. Size (in acres) single family residential, R-2) and the scale of de}elopment [eg. 2 story]. ~,-Ag- res i dential b. Project acrt~ge developed: 0 ac'res initially; 4~__ acres ultir~tely. c. Project acreage to remain undevelopednODe d. Length of project, in miles: N/A (if appropriate] f. Number of off strut ~r~ing spaces e~istino 0 ; proposed _~0~+ g_ ~e~i~um vehlcular trips s~r, erated per hour ~iOCKupon c~pletion of project] 2ne Family T~o Family Multiple Family Condominiu~ building square Foot- Sin~le~ family and cgnd_omi_ni_ums - 120 dwelling units Single~ ~lus ho_tel bed?cms__ Hostel _ 20~eople -2- 9. 10_ II. 12. r'roject? Yes ~ No If single Dh~se project: Antlci~ted per(od of c~nstF~ction 5~O.~month$. including der~lition). de~l i tion) N~,ber of jobs sermcrated: durir, g construction ~d~; afLer project is co~,plete l~ 20 (Hotel) __ relocatio~n_ of e~x_i~£in9 ~a~h~Lark b. If ~es. in~cate t~pe of w~sLe {s~.~ge, industrial, etc.) Dome~ti~C ~ewag~ c. If ~es, give name: Southold Land Fill : ~o~,do. Cutchogue Will projec~ routinely p~duce ~ors (~re Lhan one' hour ~er day)? . ~es X NO Residential heat and light 65 (avg) A-residential- No xf .o, i.dic~L. ~si~d ~ .... ~ Zonigg change ba~ ~pp ~p~lJe~ far _ to M-1 multiple residence a. [s any reder~ ~er~lt required? Yes ~__NO b. Does project involve State or Federal funding or financing? ._ __Yes X __No c. Local ~nd ~egional approvals: Approval Required Submittal Approval [Yes. No) (T~pe) (Date) (Date) YES TOWN ~.~Ji] I Y HL~ __ _ __ EAr [NVIRDN~EhTAL ASSESSMENT - PART General Inf;,~ation {~d Car?ully) - Identifying that ar effect will be potentially large (column 2) does not ~ean that it is also necessarily of ~J~n~u~ee that ~culd tri§§er e response in colu,~n ~_ The e~mples are generally applicable lhroughout the - Each project, on ~ach si~e, in each locality, will vary. Therefore, the czar,pies here been offered as guidance, Tt, ey do not constitute a. ezheustlve list of imFacts and thresholds to answer each ~ues~ion, ]NSTRUCTIONS (Read CarefullyJ a. Ans.er each of the lB questions in PART 2. Answer Ye~s if there will be ~ effect. c- If answering Yes to a ouestian then check the appropriate box (colu~ I or Z) to indicate &he potential size of the i~sact, if i~pact threshold equals or e~ceeds any e~a~ple prcvided, check column ~. If d. If revie.er has doubt about the size of the impact ~en consider the impact ~S Qotentially large and e_ If a ~otentially large impact or effect can be reduced by a change in the project to a less than large iMPACT ON LAND NO Y£S ~.F-C, A RE%ULT OF A PHYSI£AL CHANGE TO -5- HO ¥[5 ~ILL PROJECT AFFECT ANY ~'AT£R BODY DES]~%ATE0 AS ......... /~ ~ PROTEC1EO? (Under ArC~cles 15. 24, 25 of Lbe £nv(r- en~ental £onser,atlon Law, E.:.L.) Dredg)np rare Lban lO0 cubic jards of r~ter(al fr~m CAN I')PAET BE REDUCED BT PoOOECT C~NGE 4_ VILL P~OJECT AFFECT /,NY NON PROTE£TED [XISTINK, OR ~tFi( NO YES BODY OF ,,~IER? .......................................... O 0 NO YES 5. ~ILL PROJECT AFFECT SURFACE OR GBOUND~ATER nLIALITY? ~ ~ 1. 2_ 3. X~ n:h~ ~--,.~,-~s: w_il} ~ncl?i,Sg r~cha~e_of~ qround water B. WILL PPCLIECT AFFECT A~¥ T~REATEN£D OR [hD~_NR£2ED SPECIES? YES (DO -7- 11_ ]~PACT ON H]~TDR)E RESOURCES WILL FRDJECT I/tRACT ANY SiTE OR STRUCTURE OF H]STOR]C, NO YES I~PACT ON OPEN SPACE & RECREATION WILL THE P~nJECT AFFECT FHE DUANTITY OR QUALITY OF EXISTING NO YFS OR FUTURE OPEU SPACES OR RECRERTIO)IAL OPPORTU'IITIES? ...... ~ hO 'rES (DO o[T[PTJAL L~RGE ]"PACT R 14. 1S_ I~PACT ON ENERGY i;ILL PROJECT AFFECT THE CO~,~UNIT1E5 SOURCES OF FUEL OR NO YES ENERGY SUPPLY, .......................... : ............... /~-~ ~-j-~ [_~mj~les that ~ould ~pply to Colu~ 2 Project causing qreater Lhan 5! tncrease in an~ fo~ of: er, ercLv used in nunicipality. IXPACT ON NOISE ~ILL THERE BE OBJECTIONABLE ODORS, NOISE, GLARE, VIERATION NO YES or ELECTRICAL DISTURBANCE AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT? .... ~1~ ~dors will occur routinely (rote than one hour per day). I~PACT ON HEALTH & HAZARD~ ~1~ YES 16. NILL PROJECT AFFECT PUBLIC IIEALTH AND SAFETY? ............. ~j~,~ ~]e~s that ~ould ~pply to Column 2 Project will cause a risk of exolosion or release of hazardous -- substances (i.e. oil, pesticides, chemicals, radiation, etc.) in the event of accident or uoset conditions, or there will 1 S~ALL 70 MODER~IE ]HPACT x P~TEXTIAL CAl( I~PACE CE LARGE REDUCED BY I'tP~CT PROJECT CHANGE The populaLion of the City, T~.~ or Village in ~h~ch Lhe lB. IS THERE PUBLIC CDNT~OVERSY £ON£[~NING THE PaQJECT? ..... NO YES O(3 X i DE1ERHINATION PORTIONS OF EAr COHPLETED FOR THIS P~OJECT: PART I X PART Il. X . PART g ) tl~n review of the information recorded on Chis ERr ([~rts 1, ~ PREF^RE A )~E~ATIVE D£CLARAI]ON © .~F [I/V[~O;~MEXTAL A%~[SS~(£NT - PAR~ .I [V~LUAT)Fl:I OF THE i~PORTA~£E Part 3 is prepared if one or ,~re i~part or effect is considereJ to be potentially laroe. INSTRUCTIONS £orTplete the follc.inQ for each i-pact or effect identified in Column ? of Part 2: 1. Briefly describe [he i~pact. Describe (if applicable) hcw the i~act ~ight be mitigated ~r reduced Eo a less than large inn~ct by a pro- ject ckonge_ )_ Rased on ~he inro~r~tion available, decide if it is reasonable to c(.nclude that Lhis i~pact is jm~Ertant to the minicipality (city, town or ~illage) in ~hich ~he project is located. To answer the question of impo,tahoe, consider: The p~babillty of the impact or effect occurrin~ The duration of the impact or effect Its ir r~versibility, including pe~anently lost resources or values ~ether the i~pact or effect can be contro)led The re~iona) consequence of the i~pact or effect )ts potential divergence from local needs and 9oals ~hethcr known objections to the project ap~ly to this i~act or effect_ DETERI~INAT]ON OF An action is considered LO be significant if: ~ne (or ~ore) imDact is dete~ined to both lame and its (their) c~nseouence, based on the review above, is i~portant_ Ft~NDERSON AND BODWELI- CONSULT,..G ENGINEERS ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PART III Discussion is referenced to topic numbers from Part II l) Will there be an effect as a result of a physical change to project site? Physical changes to the site will result f~'om the construction of buildings and roadways. These effects will be mitigated by means of the following measures: a) The overall percentage of site area which will be rendered impervious will be limited to per cent. b) Erosion control plans will be developed and followed during construction c) Overall runoff will be decreased. This is a benefit to the groundwater. 5) Will project affect surface or groundwater quality? a) The project will withdraw groundwater for potable water use at an average rate of 30,000 gallons per day° When the proposed project is fully developed, there may be a localized effect on the chloride content of the groundwater under the site. This would be partially offset by th~ increased re- charge of stormwater. A reverse osmosis water treatment plant with auxilliary activated carbon towers is to be installed to provide for desalin- ization when necessary. b) Discharge permits may be required for the following streams: i) sewage disposal ii) water treatment plant effluent stream HENDERSON AND BODWELL CONSULTING ENGINEERS 10) 6) Will project alter drainage flow patterns or surface water runoff? The project will result in the construction of some impervious surfaces on the site. Drainage patterns will be altered in these areas because stormwater will be collected and channeled into catch basins. Will the project affect views, vistas or the visual character of the neighborhood or commun- ity. The project will restore a local landmark which will help to enhance the appearance of the area. 14) 17) Will the project affect the community's sources of fuel or energy supply? The project will require service from an energy transmission system to serve the community. existing planned Will project affect the character of the existing community? The proposed project will remove approximately 44 Acres of agricultural land from cultivation (hay field). However, the land is currently zoned for single family residential use in addition to agric- ulture. There is also some doubt as to whether this land can be referred to as "prime" agricultural land.  ’¸ ’g8 %¸2 ’)g6 f g6 f ¹U ‘!gP g&hj $¹l ¹l ¹l }o R}o R}o R¹‚ ‘¹‚ ‘¹‚ ‘¹‚ ‘¹‚ ‘gz h¹‘ ‘¹‘ ‘¹‘ ‘g’ gg³  }®  ¸© ’¸© ’¸© ’h§ gh§ g¸½ ’¸½ ’¸½ ’h¼ fh¼ fh¼ fgË %gË %¸Ì “¸Ì “¸Ì “¸Ì “hÉ ghÉ ghÉ ghÉ ggß %¸Û “¸Û “hß ghß ghß ggì $Ïï {Ïï {”ï %êñ  }  ¹ 9 : h % h % ªÿ %ã h '0· ”<g h2ã 'C  K  hC  {W ?ì    E‚- E‚- EY1 {6 h#{6 h#{6 h#6 h*‚Y FÕZ * X a X a{h žg Ð%žg Ð%žg Ð%{€ M"{€ M"Õ * ‚› F‚› F‚› F)• E )• E )• E |© ò|© ò|© ò|© òžº º¾ E à * EÀ ) EÀ ) ‚Í FïÍ ïÍ ïÍ ïÍ ‚ß bòà |òà |òà |Ÿõ  ºõ  Ïô  `ù  `ù  Ÿ  º  Ö ì E ‚ ~# K# K| Ÿ| Ÿ) *) *`  + ðŸ> º> òC  aG aG aG aG a[ a[ a[ a[ a[ ah !ah !ah !aˆ ò&aˆ ò&aˆ ò&aˆ ò&aˆ ò&aˆ ò&aˆ ò&a Ka Ka Ka K´¥  Ð¥ K Ð¥ K Ð¥ K (¡  `£  |³  ˜´  ´³  д  ë´  ® 0® 0`· aÀ aÀ aÜ aî ¬g ¬† ­ >Ò >æ °¶ c³Û ëÚ  ëê ¬ `ÿ *…ATF®b}Œ!þn/ëý  ä ­)  ä$  ³7  ­G ³p + ³p + Ð ë~  ³Ž +ë  ´œ F±¢ I´¹ F´Æ *­á M­á M´ý *´ý *ì  ´  å ´ F´ F­& 1´C +ì9  ´Y * ì\  Ðc *’r h‘ ­ ÉŠ 1’¥ g‘º h ‘º h ‘Ü ‘ï h" ™2aEŸN \*\*ac TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ORIENT POINT DEVELOPMENT TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK PREPARED FOR SCHICK REALTY INTERNATIONAL BARKAN & MESS ASSOCIATES, Inc. TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS NOVEMBERj 1982 BARKAN & MESS ASSOCIATES, Inc. 1052 MAIN STREET P.O. BOX 661 TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS BRANFORD,CT, 06405 TELEPHONE: (203) 4814208 November 5, 1982 Mr. Nicholas M. Schick Schick Realty International 392 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10018 Re: Dear Mr. Schick: Traffic Impact Study Orient Point Development Southold, Long Island, New York We have been asked to prepare this study to assess the likely traffic impact that would result from the development you have proposed at Orient Point on Long Island. The site is located off New York State Route 25 in the Town of Southold at the northeasternmost tip of Long Island. The attached map, Figure 1, illustrates the site location. The project will consist of 120 residential condominium units, a restored inn to serve as a restaurant/conference cen- ter, and a variety of recreational facilities. Scope of Work As part of this study, a field inspection was made of the site and its environs and traffic operations were observed on New York Route 25 and at the Orient Point terminal of Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc. (Orient Point/New London Ferry). Traffic count data were obtained from the New York State Department of Transportation (NYSDOT) and traffic conditions and accident experience were discussed with the Town of Southold Police Chief. In addition, discussions were held with transportation planners from the New York State Depart- ment of Transportation and the Suffolk County Public Works Department.' On the basis of the proposed land uses, we have estimated the site traffic volumes which can be expected. These have been added to the existing traffic on the roadway network, and the adequacy of the resultant traffic operations was assessed. Throughout our work, we received guidance and valuable input from Buchanan/Weintraub, Architects, and Ms. Abigail Wickham, Attorney. Existing Conditions The site consists of a triangular parcel of land, approxi- mately 48 acres in size, off New York State Route 25 on the eastern tip of Orient Point. Except for the Orient Point Inn, the land is undeveloped. Two sides of the property are formed by the beaches on Long Island Sound and Gardiner's Bay, while the third is bounded by an adjacent residential subdivision. 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A fourth line, for stand-bys, forms on the shoulder of Route 25. Though peak season (mid-June to mid-September) observa- tions of the ferry operation were not conducted, it is under- stood that the queue of stand-by vehicles typically extends back from the Stop sign, around the sharp bend in the road to the Plum Island facility driveways. Occasionally, the queue continues to the Orient Marina/Restaurant. Discussions regarding the ferry operation were held with Police Chief Winters. He indicated that the parking of vehicles on the shoulder of Route 25 is the cause of traffic problems in the area. As a result, traffic flow is often sluggish and confused. However, apparently no acci- dents have occurred in this immediate area. The Plum Island Research Facility operates 24 hours daily. The majority of employees work the 8:00 A.M.-4:30 P.M. shift, while skeleton crews work the remainder of the day. Each weekday approximately 150 vehicles enter the government facility parking area prior to 8:00 A.M.; the same number of vehicles exits after 4:30 P.M. During the rest of the day, other traffic, i.e. visitors, service vehicles, employees also enters and exits the driveways. Proposed Development Assuming adoption of the proposed zone change from A-Residential and Agricultural to M-l, General Multiple Residence, the plans for the 48-acre site call for the construction of 120 condominium residential units and the relocation and restoration of the Orient Point Inn. The Inn will become a restaurant/conference center with a capa- city of 150 dining room seats, and 30 guest suites. The restaurant will operate year-round, while the conference center facilities will only be available in the spring and fall seasons. The 30 guest suites, primarily associated with the conference center, would be set aside as long-term rental units during the summer months. Access to the site would be from Route 25. The drive- way is to be located opposite the access to the ferry ter- minal. An additional driveway, proposed for emergency use only, would connect the site to an existing residential sub- division road lying west of the site. Anticipated Site Traffic Volumes Due to the location and seasonal nature of the proposed development, the greatest traffic impact on Route 25 is ex- pected to occur during the summer months of July and August. This impact would result from the three components proposed for the site: the condominium residential units, the res- taurant, and the guest suites in the inn. Typical condominium developments in metropolitan areas exhibit a sharp peaking of traffic volume during the morning and evening commuter hours. Such a characteristic is not expected to prevail in this case. Instead, the hourly traf- fic flow variation probably would more nearly resemble that of a resort community. The traffic volumes would be low in the morning, steadily increasing to the noon hour, remaining relatively stable through 6:00 or 7:00 P.M. and then dropping off gradually in the evening hours. The guest suites are also anticipated to exhibit differ- ent traffic generating characteristics than typical hotel units. The planned community will be relatively self-contained with a restaurant, swimming pool, beaches, tennis courts, and other recreational activities. Therefore, off-site travel by guests is expected to be small. The restaurant, on the other hand, can be expected to be a somewhat more typical generator of vehicular traffic. That is, there will be considerable activity through the lunch period, a decline through the afternoon, and a sharp increase after 6:00 P.M. However, the traffic generation rate for the restaurant is expected to be slightly lower than what would 7 be considered normal elsewhere. This is because it is assumed that some of the restaurant patrons will be condominium or guest suite residents, or perhaps ferry passengers who would walk to the restaurant. Other patrons may arrive by car, with .the restaurant being a secondary destination, the ferry being the primary one. Such traffic cannot be classified as new to the area. Based on the above analysis, the summer volume of traffic generated by the proposed development is expected to be approxi- mately 900 vehicle trips daily, that is, 450 vehicles arriving and leaving. The traffic volume during the peak hour of the day will represent approximately 100 vehicle trips. The estimates of the volume of vehicle trips generated were based on statistical information compiled and published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers,(1) supplemented by numerous studies of generally comparable land uses on file in our office. Roadway Adequacy Route 25 through Orient Point is a well-designed and well-maintained highway. In the vicinity of the site, the annual average daily traffic volume, based on a 1979 count, (1) Trip Generation, An Informational Report, Institute of Transportation Engineers, Second Edition, 1979. was 1,450 vehicles. The highest daily volume during the week of the count in June, 1979, was approximately 2,000 vehicles. It should be recognized that the traffic volumes on Route 25 during the months of July and August are somewhat higher than in June, and that traffic volumes have increased since 1979. Thus, it is estimated that the present peak summer traffic volumes on Route 25 near the site may be about 2,500 or even 3,000 vehicles daily. The newly generated vehicle traffic resulting from the proposed development must be added to this "background" traf- fic to determine the future traffic volume on Route 25. The combined traffic volume thus would be 3,000 plus 900 vehicles, or 3,900 vehicles daily. This total can then be compared to the roadway's capacity of approximately 13,000-17,000 vehicles daily(2) to determine highway adequacy. The comparison of 3,900 vehicles with 13,000 indicates that, even with the construction of the development and the addition of 900 vehicle trips peak summer months, the existing highway will burdened. Sufficient reserve capacity exists future development at Orient Point. to 17,000 proposed during the not be over- for additional (2) A Policy on Geometric Design of Rural Highways, 1965, American Association of State Highway Officials, 1966. &éJI)€\‡È2LJ•È2LJ•6‡? 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MAIN GOAD, ~=.0. BOX I~24 MATTITUCK LONG ISLA~D November 15, 1982 Mrs. Judith Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall Southold, NY 11971 Application for Change of Zone Nicholas Schick - Orient Pt. property Dear Judy: Enclosed is the written statement of Mr. Wolf's testimony which he presented at the hearing on November 9th. Please in- clude it as a part of the record. Very truly yours, Abigail A. Wickham AAW: epu Encl. PeterWolfAssociates Land Planning & Land Jnvesfrnenl Managemen' STATEMENT BY PETER WOLF, Ph.D. A.I.C.P. before The Southold Town Board, Tuesday Evening, 9 November 1982 in Support of Rezoning ± 46 Acres at Orient Point to M-1 General Multiple Residence. 8Wesl 401hStreel New York NY 10018 (212) 362 3636(516~324 3636 Statement by Peter Wolf, Ph.D., AICP before the Southold Town Board Tuesday evening 9 November 1982 in sup- port of rezoning property at Orient Point to M-1 General Multiple Residence. I have been asked as a professional planner and land investment management consultant to comment on two particular points with respect to the proposed Orient Point project. These are: Need for the proposed project and Demand for the proposed project. I NEED In order to address the question of need, at the outset, I would like to comment on particular areas of impact and benefit which can be reasonably anticipated as a consequence of this proposed development. The first of these is related to preserving and indeed returning to the proposed site area a portion of its histori- cal heritage. Clearly through restoration of the Orient Point Inn, a major landmark and gateway symbol for the region itsel~ and a fine, commanding welcome to New York State, is reestablished. An immediate next consequence of both the restoration of the Inn and the concommitant proposed additional develop- ment of its immediate area as a top quality residential resort and conference center will be surely substantial economic benefit. Not only will a sizeable number of tempor- ary construction and construction related jobs be created, but also on an ongoing operational basis it is estimated that 50-60 regular, new seasonal jobs will become available to area residents and about half that many year-round. Construction costs alone are estimated in excess of $13 million with total development costs expected to reach over $20 million. Sales of materials and services required to make this project happen will produce a very substantial economic boost to myriad organizations, businesses and individuals in the area. Once the project is completed and occupied, an ongoing stream of retail, professional, and maintenance services will be required. Certainly the impacts of new demand for retail sales, and all forms of services related to people's individual and real property needs will be experienced throughout Southold Town. Because of the conference aspect of this proposed pro- ject, and the well designed, energy efficient housing, it is expected that people will be attracted to the area not just during the traditional summer season of two to three months, but for a much longer "season" and indeed to some extent throughout the year. This expectation will lengthen out the curve of positive economic impact across many more months than the sharp peak of 8-12 weeks so long experienced in the area, only to be followed by a predictible and pre- cipitious downturn in the important tourist and seasonal housing industry of the North Fork. The local municipal financial balance sheet in Southold Town, Orient Hamlet and the Oyster Ponds School District will come out big winners. A captive real property asset whose market value -- as I have mentioned, including land -- is likely to exceed $20 million in the first year follow- ing completion is to be built. This asset is projected to throw off real property tax revenue based on current rates in an annual amount in excess of $250,000 per annum. Based on the 1982 Southold Town budget of approximately $17 million, this represents approximately a 15% increase in real property tax revenue. What is all the more significant is to recognize that there will be very limited call on these revenues for ex- penditure as a consequence of the project. While some crease in public safety and fire prevention outlays may occur, the largest proportional municipal drain on real property tax revenue is by far educating school age children. Few if any school children are expected to inhabit this proposed develop- ment during the school year. Most of the residents are expected to be seasonal, second home occupants who will there- -2- fore make few demands on municipal services. Conference guests will obviously have an opportunity to spend money, but none to demand public expenditures on their behalf. Another substantial benefit to the North Fork will be the provision of new,&uality housing and the satisfaction of demand for new housing on a contained and well designed site rather than sprawled throughout open spaces which might themselves be more appropriately devoted to farming or other significant use. A concentration of facilities -- recreation, housing and conference -- at Orient Point will therefore serve to liberate other parcels of land in the same market area from development and redevelopment pressure. Now let us consider the site itself for a moment, and its most appropriate use. While the roughly 46 acre site has been used in the past for farming, this use encounters limitations. There are no on-site agricultural buildings and -- more important -- no irrigation system exists or seems readily feasible. Yet with relatively flat surface characteristics, and surrounded by expansive bodies of water on three sides, this is clearly a most attractive spot for housing. Indeed, in discussions with real estate market experts all along the North Fork, this particular site has been consistently characterized as a prime residential site, in fact as one of the very best sites for housing and related development on all of Long Island. Furthermore though we rarely think of it in these terms, this particular field and this particular point is a prominent gateway to New York State and to Long Island. Rather than enter past a dilapidated Inn crumbling in un- sightly disrepair, sitting adjacent to a field~ is it not more desireable to offer a handsome renovated historic structure and a destination that will itself attract and serve the needs of people? The site is also being carefully thought of and planned to create positive community amenities for existing residents of the North Fork. A definite housing alternative becomes available to a local home owner who prefers the convenience -3- of living in a 3ndominium community. Th~ Jnsightly power line which now runs the length of the property will -- if possible -- be buried underground. A good quality, year round restaurant is projected. Meeting rooms and associated services for commercial, social and public gatherings will be available. Subject to availability, a new tennis center at the western edge of the site will offer excellent sea- sonal facilities. Access to Orient Point will continue to be open for fishing. And while we seldom think of such things when contemplating a flat field bare of structures, it would be possible in a conventional residential sub- division of this property to create a grid of streets, private lots, hedges and fences which would preclude the existence of and the enjoyment of open space on this site. Whereas, in the proposed approach, significant areas along the waterfront and at the site interior will remain as perpetual, uninvaded open space. II DEMAND Let me say a few words at this point, about the question of demand for the kind of conference-recreational-residential project being proposed. While we are all here tonight thinking about this particular parcel of land, and this partic- ular por3ect, it is well to place it in another context, one in which it also properly belongs. This is the context of new trends and new types of demand for housing and especially recreational second home housing in this country. Let me for a moment recall for you certain ways in which the under- lying characteristics of the American population is now changing. You will see that these are pertinent. 1. We are becoming a nation of an increasingly high proportion of older people and older households. Increased life expectancies and decreased fertility rates have con- tributed to a total reversal of the situation just forty years ago when it was the younger generations which were ex- panding in number. Now the population in the age range of 50 years old and over is a real growth segment, exerting demand for desireable, appropriate accommodations. In fact -4- just yesterday the Census Bureau issued its latest report which "forsees a much larger number of elderly people than the bureau anticipated in its last population projections just five years ago." 2. The other major area of growth in demand for housing of all types is new, small households. Typically the house- holds now being formed, of which half or more consist of only one or two people, seek smaller quarters than years ago; many want an apartment or condominium unit, and in addition they seek good, available, convenient recreation facilities as nearby as possible. 3. As taxes, and operating expenses rise and as assistance with garden, lawn and maintenance becomes less and less available, the average citizen is seeking less land, not more. In addition, increasing numbers of second home owners find they have less time -- or are willing to devote less time -- to household and grounds care and maintenance. In recreation communities this is all the more true, and is illustrated by the fact that a larger and larger proportion of all recreation housing starts in the past five years have been for apartments, cooperative and condominium units. : 4. Increased leisure time, increased incomes and in- crease freedom from jobs, especially for older people, is leading to a dispersal of second home and full time resi- dences into areas remote from the cities. For example, in a 1972 poll of urban dwellers by the Presiden{'s Commission on Population Growth and the American Future it was found that 34% of 'a w~de sample of Americans surveyed expressed a preference to live in the open countryside rather than within a small town, city or suburb. And indeed, in the past ten years, as now known from the 1980 census, it is the areas 50- 100 miles and further from the cities that are growing at the fastest pace all across America, indeed they are growing at about twice the rate of the cities and suburbs. Calvin Beale, chief demographer of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and one of the most perceptive and experienced demographers in America, pointed out recently and with absolute justifica- -5- tion as follows: "The renewed growth of population in nonmetropolitan communities vies with the continued low level of the birth rate as the most significant demographic fact in the United States today." 5. For second homes and recreation oriented housing the most sought out locations of all are the limited number of places in America which possess fine scenic amenities such as waterfront views together with reasonably reliable access especially by roads that are connected to a regional highway network. In addition when rail and bus service is also available, the attraction and the demand expands. Against this national background, it becomes easier to understand why a number of cluster type second home and recreational oriented projects have appeared or have been proposed in recent years along the North Fork, as they have been throughout most of the other sought out rural resort and recreation oriented communities across the country. But it is also easier, I hope, posals are in fact responsive if relatively new -- patterns facilities seek. And located to understand that these pro- to proven demand, to proven -- of living that users for these as it is, literally perched in a tantilizing and extraordinarily visible manner just off- shore from the densest, most highly congested and in many ways most productive centers of population in the United States, that is the northeast corridor, it takes no imagin- ation whatsoever to envision specific demand and good sales results for,the 150 units projected for this site. What about specific demand at the site and project feasibility? The very few better quality condominium pro- jects in the immediate market area have met with relative]y good sales success even during the housing slump and depressed economic conditions which have prevailed nationally over the last 12-18 months. Now it appears that conditions are im- proving. Interest rates are down substantially and still projected to fall further. The underlying economy seems to be stirring, and if Wall Street and the securities markets and indeed reliable leading indicators, then economic conditions should be much better a year or two hence, the period during which demand for the project would be matched by its availability. Informed market experts throughout Southold Town project strong demand for the facilities offered as proposed for this site. To review the current market, several comparable con- domlnium projects in the site area were analyzed with respect to demand. At Sea Breeze Village, situated on Route 27 in Greenport west of Chapel Lane and sited along Long Island Sound, all units sold out quickly and only one is now avail- able for resale. This well received project offers excel- lent water views and is attractively situated. However, this is purely a residential clustering of four buildings each containing four units. Considering the very substantial additional amenities to be offered at Orient Point, the pro- jected unit values there -- which are somewhat higher than those at Sea Breeze Village today -- are viewed as realistic and expected to attract a strong demand. Another nearby development known as Cleves Point, situated at the end of Shipyard Lane in Greenport was also inspected and sales experience reviewed. This project faces Orient Harbor but is sited across the street from the Long Island Oyster Farm facility. While sales have not been brisk, 11 of the 14 units already constructed are reported to be sold or are under sales contract, and the owners believe that the entire 45 projected units will sell out during the next year or two. At Orient Point, construction quality is ex- pected to be higher than at Cleves Point, the Orient site is much more attractive, and substantial site amenities will be offered. All of these factors are expected to stimulate stronger demand and prices at Orient than experienced at Cleves Point. With respect to the Conference C.enter element of the Orient project a few remarks about anticipated demand are also in order. Recent experience at the few nearby con- ference centers which mix condominium units and recreational resources have been reviewed. The only two comparable -7- developments close to the site are Baron's Cove at Sag Harbor, which has been in operation only one season, and Guerney's Inn at Montauk. Experience at Guerney's, which has been in the conference business for some time, indicates that Conference Center activity is in fact sensitive to the national and the regional economy. Nevertheless the conference business has held up even in this rather poor recession year. At both Baron's Cove and at Guerney.'s, meetings and conferences were found to bolster the off peak season periods, especially fall and spring. At both centers, experience also shows that a conference facility capability increases over- all site utilization demand and unit occupancy by approximately 25%. Even though competing conference facilities do now exist around mid-island, demand for attractive conference facilities in eastern Long Island is expected to continue to increase as western Suffolk and Nassau county companies of all types expand and as regional service organizations and institutions proliferate. As another part of the research effort with respect to need and demand for this project, I interviewed at some length several established and knowledgeable North Fork real estate specialists. Let me share with you by way of conclusion five of their consensus observations and remarks: 1. On the North Fork demand is strong for all water related residential housing, much stronger than availability. 2. Many people now seeking a second home prefer a condominium to a single family house because of ease of maintenance, improved security, and available recreation and services. 3. The well-to-do elderly will be a prime market. 4. Most local business and services in Southold Town will benefit in some way and a positive economic influence will be felt all along the North Fork. 5. The convention and meeting services are likely to attract the growing number of organizations and corporations -8- from western Suffolk, Nassau county and even the northeast mainland, and thereby stimulate ~ourism over a longer season than is commonly experienced. Thus, in conclusion, and after careful review of the project in terms of need and demand all evidence indicates that the proposal is timely and that its general conception is appropriate to the market area in which it is placed and to the specific site on which it is proposed to be located. Substantial benefit in a variety of forms is to be expected throughout Southold Town as demand is satisfied and needs met through the development proposed at Orient Point. Thank you. -9- RESUME PETER WOLF, A.I.C.P. Born 1935 Married: 2 children EDUCATION New York University, Institute of Fine Arts, History of Architecture and City Planning, Ph.D Tulane University, History of Architecture, M.A. Yale University, B.A. 1968 1963 1957 HONORS AND FELLOWSHIPS National Endowment for the Arts, Accomplished Professional Fellowship in Design Graham Foundation for Advanced Studies in the Fine Arts, Fellowship New York State Council on the Arts, Architecture and Environmental Arts Panel Executive Connnittee, Architectural League of New York Member, Visual Arts Con~lttee of New York Cultural Council Ford Foundation and American Federation of Arts, grant to prepare a book, The Future of the City Graham Foundation Fellow Fulbright Fellow, Paris, France 1979 1978 1975-1977 1972-1977 1971-1974 1969 1967-1968 1965-1966 TEACHING Cooper Union (Visiting Professor) Institute for Architecture and Urban Studies Pratt University New York University 1971-present 1972-1980 1968-1970 1966-1967 PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE Planning Consultant Chairman, Board of Fellows, Institute for Architecture and Urban Studies Associate, Wilbur Smith & Associates 1968-present 1972-1982 1968-1970 Page 2 RECENT PUBLICATIONS The Amicus Journal, "Forever Farmland", Volume 3, No. 3. Land in America: Its Value, Use and Control; a book published by Pantheon Books, A Division of Random House, Inc., and sponsored by the National Endowment for the Arts and the Graham Foundation. On Streets. "Rethinking the Urban Street: Its Economic Context" and "Toward an Evaluation of Transportation Potentials for the Urban Street" a book of essays published by the MIT Press. The Future of the City: New Directions in Urban Planning; a book published by Watson Guptill Publications, Whitney Library of Design, and sponsored by the Ford Foundation and the American Federation of Arts. The Evolving City, Urban Design Proposals by Ulrich Franzen and Paul Rudolph; a book published by the American Federation of Arts focused on two very large scale urban design schemes developed 1970-1974. Design Quarterly 85, Urban Redevelopment 19th Century Style: Older, Bolder Ideas for Today." Perspecta, "City Structuring and Social Sense in 19th and 20th Century'Urbanism." Art in America, "~he Urban Street." Another Chance for Cities; Background, Catalogue and Commentary for an Exhibition of Work of the New York State Urban Development Corporation. Eugene Henard and the Beginning of Urbanism in France, 1900-1914; a book published by the International Federation of Housing and Planning and Centre de Recherche de Urbanisme. Art in Amerlca, "The Structure of Motion in the City." 1982 1981 1979 1974 1974 1972 1972 1970 1970 1969 1969 Page 3 PRO~ESSIONAL REPORTS AND PROJECTS Land Use and Land Value Feasibility Studies Project Feasibility and Land Value A~alysis, 770 acres, Sunbeach Hills at Montauk, East Hampton, New York. Environmental Impact Assessment, Watervlliet Shaker Historic and Recreation District, Town of Colonie, New York. Management Program, Redevelopment Program and Economic Feasibility, Shaker Heritage Historic District, for the National Endowment on the Arts, New York State Council on the Arts, Shaker Central Trust Fund and Town of Colonie, New York Golf-Centered Co--unity Development Feasibility Study for a private client group, Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Land and Revenum Economic Impact Analysis of Proposed 3700-acre Okwari Park, Montgomery County, New York. Land Mmnagement Study, 580-acre Waterviliet-Shaker Historic and Recreation District, Town of Colonie, New York. Implementation Strategies for Effecting Energy Conservation Through Land Use Regulation for the Federal Energy Administration, Washington, D.C. Economic Analysis and Transportation Research for Research and Demonstration Study of New Forms of the Urban Street for the United States Dmpartment of Housing and Urban Development. Land Use and Housing Feasibility Analysis for the Albany Medical Center, Albany, New York. Impact Study of Metroflight and Metroport Centers Throughout the Northeast Corridor for Pan American World Airways, Inc. Transportation Center Feasibility and Planning, Tarrytown, New York, for the New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Land Planning and Implementation Planning, Processing and Implementation Management in the Towns of East Hampton and Southampton, New York: Mitchell Dun~s; Bridle Path Woods; Cove Hollow Farm; Bell Estate Section III; Wainscott Farm; Hampton Fields; Sunbeach Hills at Montaok; Wildflower Woods; Greenleaf; Palak; and others. South Fork Agricultural Center; Project DeVelopment Report. Environmental Impact and Preliminary Planning, Farm Properties, East Hampton, New York. Page Implementmtion Program and Planning for Historic, Cultural, Recreational and Commercial Resources, Springs, East Hampton, New York for the Town of East Hampton. Land Development Progrsm, Subdivision Preparation, Analysis of Feasibility, Implementation: New York, Connecticut, Colorado, Texas, Pennsylvania. Street Redevelopment Study, Binghamton, New York, for the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development. Lower Midtow~ Manhattan Study for Manhattmn Community Board 5. Union Square Park Redevelopment Project for Manhattan Community Board 5. Low-Rise High-Density Housing Prototype Development Study for the New York State Urban Development Corporation. Low-Rise High-Density Housing Scheme Planning for Brooklyn and Staten Island, New York, and development of 600 units in Ocean Hill Brownsville. Transportation and Pedestrian Planning for Roosevelt Raceway, New York; Upper West Side, Manhattan; Douglas Circle, Manhattan; State University of New York; University of Pittsburgh; United Nations Development Corporation; Nassau-Suffolk Regional Planning Board; Niagra Falls Central Business District. Farm Properties, Eastern Long Island, Cluster Plan and Cluster Development Analysis and Schematic Studies. Land Investment Management Land Investment Management, Sunbeach Hills at Montauk, 777 acres at Montank, East Hampton, New York. Historic and Co~nnercial Land Management Study of Springs for the Town of East Hampton, East Hampton, New York. Land Investment Management Study of 7300 acres for a private client, Houston, Texas. Preliminary Planning, Investment Analysis and Economic Feasibility of a New Community for a private client, Houston, Texas. Land Investment Management Study of 1500 acres for a private client, Aspen, Colorado. Land Investment Management Study of 125 acres for a private client, East Hampton, New York. Page 5 Land Investment: Land Investment: ciienta. Syndication, Joint Ventures and Salea Syndication, Joint Ventures and Sales for various private EXHIBITIONS Albany Institute of Art, "Recapturing Wisdom's Valley." Museum of Modern Art, New York, "Another Chance for Housing: Low-Rise Alternatives." Whitney Museum of American Art, New York, "Another Chance for Cities." Museum of Modern Art, New York, "Eugene Henard and Urban Anticipations." 1975 1973 1970 1969 AFFILIATIONS American Institute of Certified Planners International Federation of Housing and Planning Society of Architectural Historians Architectural League of New York Partners for Liveable Places PeterWolfAssociates Land Planning Land Investment Management Plan Approval and Project Development Value and Feasability Analysis Sponsored Research Brokerage and Syndication Peter Wolf Associates specializes in land. We solve problems related fo land planning, land-asset management, acquisition and sale. As a unique professional focus we are land-asset managers, not conventional land planners. Land is a dynamic and often neglected asset whose owner benehts from the skill and experience of a Specialist. Our more than ten years of experience prove that creative land planning, wise land-asset management, knowl- edgeable use et land law and finance-- when combined--maximize environmental quality and create substantially higher land-asset values. As a small, specialized private practice we pursue projects from inception to complebon. Through a carefully selected group of associated firms, our services are integrated as n ~e~e~e~e~e~e~e~ded with surveying, engineering, la.~ finance and construction sl:~c, ialities. As a licensed real estate brdjker, we represent clients' specialized p~hase and sales requirements. Who Uses Our Services Over the past ten years Peter Wolf Associates has successfully completed a variety of specialized assignments, all focused on land. Clients include private owners, trus[s, estates and corporations. Communities, non-profit organizations and agencies of government are also frequently served. Detailed information about former projects and personal references are available upon request. A partial list of clients includes Sugadand Industries, Inc., Houston, Texas: RJ. Roosevelt. Inc.. Oyster Bay, New York: The Christopher Reynolds Foundation, Greenwich, Conneclicut; The Estate of Dbby Holman Reynolds and Champion International Corpo- ratton, Stamford, Connecticut; Cove Hollow Farm and Dune Alpin Farm, East Hampton, New York; Chandleigh Farm, Loudon County, Virginia; The Gerbaz Corporation. Aspen, Colorado; the Towns of Colonie and East Hampton, New York. When to Use Our Services · When you seek to plan or subd~wde a parcel of land. · When you wish to preserve land without losing its entire value. · When you face a policy decision about continuing to hold a parcel of land. · When you want to increase land-asset values. · When you seek to decide about feasability or advisability of a new land investment, · When you want [o sell or buy land. · When you seek ongoing land-asset management. PETER WOLE Ph.D., A.I.C.P., is owner and principal of Peter Wolf Associates, A graduate of Yale, Tulane and New York University, Dr. Wolf has been a consultant to private owners, public corporations, institutions, investment groups, com- munities and agencies of government for over a decade. He is a recognized national authority on land and the trends which control its use and value. Dr. Wolf's innovative research and publications are used as texts and reference sources throughout the country. 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Urban planning within a democratic society is the translation of a community's goals and values into three-dimensional realities. Its highest achieve- ment is the realization of its purposes by the creation of an urban form designed to serve the needs and desires of the community for which it was created. Each community is peculiar unto itself and no stan- dardized forms or patterns of development can be validly applied to all communities. Therefore, the essence of any planning program is to determine the conditions which have influenced a community's growth and development and to evolv~ the ~qals and llevelopment policies appropriate to deal with these conditions. Once these are determined and under-~- stood, the basis for planning for the future becomes evident. Unfortunately, most community development has been the result of spontaneous growth without the benefit of planning for future generations. The random pat- terns of development and the need for dramatic revi- talization in older urban areas bear out this fact. It is perhaps comforting to know that the Town of Southold does not stand alone with its problems, but in the company of many othe[ towns and villages throughout the nation. However, there is often a reluctance to face these problems squarely in terms of solutions. Only too often complacency pervades and there is general apathy towards the establish- ment of safeguards for the future. 'VVith the know- ledge that hindsight can offer, a framework for future This Plan is the culmination of two years of intensiv~ study of the Town of Southold; a study which took into account all of the known internal and external factors affecting the growth of the Town. Part I of the Development Plan is devoted to a presentation of the findings of these studies dealing specifically with physical, economic, and social conditions as they exist in Southold today. This background material provides the perspective to guide the formulation of concepts for the future. The recommendations and programs for action proposed in this Development Plan reflects community develop- ment policies formulated by Southo[d'sPlanninq Board, These policies may be either stated clearly or only implied, but results cannot be realized without their acceptance and support. Byits very nature, the Plan must advocate or reflect policies on growth, popula- tion, economic activity, aesthetics, transportation, and other basic elements of Town structure. It is acknowledged that all of the proposals indicated in the Plan cannot be carried out at once or even in the near future, Many aspects will undoubtedly take many years to be effectuated, and possibly some never will be. The Plan is intended to be comprehensive and of a magnitude equivalent to Southold's develop- ment potential, with the practical realization that the execution of each aspect will occur as the Town's growth demands. 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The retail concentration of the Mattituck Central Area is presently located on the Main .Road (Route 25), Love Lane, and Sound Avenue. As the Town of Southold continues togro,,v; the demand for retail space will exert increasing developmental pressures in the Mattituck Area. The plan for the Mattituck Central Area provides the framework within which the necessary expansion can be achieved. The Plan proposes that an additional 250,000 square feet of retail space be developed along Pike'Street, Sound Avenue, New Suffolk Avenue, andWickham Avenue. Expansion of existing facilities and new development should not be in the longitudinal direc- tion along Route 25, but rather should be in the form of increased depth so as to obtain a cluster rather than a strip commercial development. Rear-lot park- ing sh~-uld be developed at a ratio of one parking space for every 35(] square feet of retail development. The commercial lands immediately south of Love Lane could be utilized by highway-oriented commercial activities. These activities should be encouraged to develop in clusters, a move which would not ofliy improve the appearance of Route 25, but also reduce traffic problems by limiting access to a predesignated number of driveways. The intersection of Main Road, Love Lane, andSound Avenue has been redesigned and channelized. The new design will help to alleviate a dangerous t~afflc Other. fe.atu~es of the P.l_an include small gr.een ace~s and pede. stfian mails to enhance the visual atJpear-' ance of~e central area and e×te,]siv~ pl. a3%~ing and screening to pr.o%ect 5dj~cent residential are~ s. Improved circulation, a dditional off-street parking facilities, and landscaped pedestrian areas are not necessarily a panacea for the future ~ommercial growth in Mattituck. Although some retail outlets have been modernized in recent years, at the present time a number of stores are becoming visibly obso- lescent. Improvement of boththe~outer facades, as well as the interiors of such establishments, is essential if they are to help Mattltuck compete sUc- cessfully for its share of the retail market. This Improvement of facades and interiors must be an In- dividual effort by the property owners and merchants themselves. OTHER COMMERCIAL AREAS The resort areas in Southo!d serve portions of the New York Metropolitan Region, %Arithtn this region, such fac~or~ aS increasir..g popul-~tio~, a rising sta~- ddrd of living, more leisu~'e thne, and better trans- portati'on facflftIe~, all tend tO ~';;c, rease the demand for, resort, facilities. The Development Plan recog- ni~ed'lh!s trend by recommel!ding ~h~ limited extension of r~sort areas containing such uses as. motels, res taurants, boatels, and marinas'. Th~ Plan outlines the existing resort areas and recommends th@t these be maintained with some expansion into adjacent non-resort uses and vacant sites, Areas recom- mended for resort motels include sites along the North Shore, and along S~lverme~e Rodd and Shipyard Lane on the South Shore. 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(c) This project will attempt to preserve the historic architectural integrity of Orient, which has been ignored by many of the newer single-family residences. (d) This project will have minimal impact upon municipal services and traffic, and will not adversely affect Orient's fragile water supply, to be demonstrated by our experts. (e) Since development of the property even under current zoning is inevitable, we believe this proposal is vastly superior to single family residences in terms of building density, public access, open space, and in bolstering tourism, business and employment opportuni- There is a specific section in the Comprehensive Plan concerning multiple housing (page ~). It is appropriate when the need and demand develop - we think they have. It is suggested that the multiple residen- tial areas be in the immediate vicinity of retail shopping areas. This is certainly more of a concern for year-round residents than in this project, where the residents will likely be seasonal and weekenders. However, the need for services nevertheless exists and can be met in several ways - by the amenities to be provided at the Inn, by the services available at the nearby business district, which could be more fully developed, and by the business communities of Orient, East Marion and Greenport, which are sure to benefit. On this part of the Island, some travel is necessary for any person. While services in my home and business communities of Cutchogue and Mattituck are starting to expand, I often must travel to Greenport or Riverhead, even though I would prefer to shop locally - this is a characteristic of our Town, -6- and fortunately for this project, it will be less of an imposition than for year-round residents. As to the recommendation of the Suffolk County Planning Commission, I believe that reasons 1, 5 and 6 have been addressed above and will also be answered by our planner; and 2, 3 and 4 will be answered by the Engineers. Finally, the Town of Southold does not contain adequate provision for M-1 facilities, particularly resort-oriented. There are no un- developed Sound-front sites except a small M-1 area near the Nursing Home and an M-light parcel at Brecknock Hall with much less waterfront than this parcel. The only available Bay-front property is at Cleaves Point, which is partially developed but is of limited capacity. This is the only area in Southold where a concept like this could be fully realized. WICKHAM, WICKHAM ~ BRESSLER, ~.¢ November 9, 1982 Mrs. Judith Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall Southold, NY 11971 Re: Schick - Rezoning Application Dear Mrs. Terry: In connection with the public hearing on this matter scheduled for November 9, 1982 at 8 o'clock p.m., please be advised that while we are prepared to proceed with our presentation on the planning and traffic aspects, our en- gineers will not be in a position to present their water and engineering studies. We would therefore like to request that at the November 9th meeting, the Town Board hear the presentation for the rezoning application with the exception of the engineers' report, for which we would like a recess to your meeting of December 7th. At or prior to that meet- ing, we would also like to present a written statement of Peter Wolf, our planning expert who will testify at the hearing, and a draft of the covenants and restrictions Mr. Schick has proposed for the property. This request will be made to the Board at the meeting on November 9th. Thank you for your consideration. Very truly yours, Abigail A. Wickham AAW:epu An open letter to: Southold Town Board Southold, N.Y. RECEIVED Town Cle-l~ So,.,~h~l-I November 8, 1982 Dear Board Members: In light of recent disclosures--the interim report of the North Fork Water Supply Study and the disapproval of the Suffolk County Planning Department--it would seem that the Town Board could not in good conscience approve the proposed zoning change for the Orient Point complexc The North Fork Water Supply Study revealed that Orient's current consumption already equals the sustainable yeild. Despite projected declines in water consumption by agricul- ture, Orient is expected to increase its residential demand 33 percent by 1995. The net result of these two factors is supposed to be that Orient's aquifer will just about break even with its supply and demand. However, these projections were not based on radical changes in zoning which would be the case with the Orient Point complex. The change of the 44 acres' present agricultural/residential (one acre) zoning to accomodate approximately 125 condominium units and two motel structures would be the equivalent of a 300 percent increase in the maximum allowable density. It seems a very poor time to set that kind of precedent. The objections to the condominium plan raised by the Suffolk County Planning Department also site Orient's shallow aquifer, particularly in regard to the development's cess- pool/water draw proximity. The approval of the Orient Point plan by Southold Plan- ning Board, as pointed out by its chairman, Henry Raynor, was not based on density information but was based rather on an abstraction. This is too important an issue to be based on an abstraction. Further, i,[r. Raynor was quoted in the Suffolk Times as saying, "The Town Board will have to deter- mine if condominiums which could be occupied an average of four months out of a y=~r will bring greater water withdrawl than a farm." This is not, in fact. what the Town Board has to determine. The choice is not between the water withdrawl of a farm versus that of a condominium. (Since when have our choices been limited to only farms or condominiums?) The choice is whether to leave the zoning as it is now, which would allow for a reasonable development of the proper- ty, or to draetically change the zoning to allow for a 125 unit development and two motel structures. 2 A prudent decision on this issue--a decision which keeps the well-being of all of Southold in mind both now and for the future--would be to soundly reject this proposed zoning change. 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TERRY. Town Clerk of the Town of Southold, New York, being' duly sxvorn, says that she is over the age of twenty-one years: that on the 21st day of October 19 82 she affixed a notice of which the annexed printed notice is a true copy, in a proper and substantial manner, in a most public place in ~he Town of Southold, Suffolk County, Nc~w York, to wit:- Town Clerk Bulletin Board, Town Clerk Office, }lain Road, Southold, New York 11971 Notice of Public Hearing on application of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" to "M-i" - 8:00 P.M., Tuesday, November 9, 1982, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. ,' Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Sworn to be before me this 21st day of October /, 1982 ~.' . ~ , ' / I ~/~ , ,.; ~ ) No~ a~' Public/ LEGAL NOTICE NOTICE OF HEARING ON PROPOSAL TO AMEND ZONING ORDINANCE Pursuant to Section 265 of fhe Town Law and requirements of the Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, public hearing will be held by the Southold Town Board at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, in said Town on the 9th day of November, 1982, at 8:00 o'clock P.M. on the following proposal by Nicholas Schick to amend the Building Zone Ordinance (including the Building Zone Maps) o£ the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York: By changing from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-i" General Multiple Residence District the property of Nicholas Sc. hick situated at Orient, New York, and more particularl{~ bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a point on the ordinary high water line of Long Island Sound, where the same is intersected by the easterly line of Lot No. 6 of the subdivision kuown as "Lands End", Suffolk County File No. 5909; RUNNING THENCE along said ordinary high water line of Long Island Sound the following thirteen (]3) courses and distances: (1) South 40~ 25' 36" East 42.64 feet; (2) South 50~ 36' 45" East 102.37 feet; (3) South 62~ 11' 38" East 168.23 feet; (4) South 73° 47' 43" East 189 feet; (5) South 68° 03' East 137.28 feet; (6) South 72° 19' East 598.52 feet; (7) South 78° 36' 11" East 126.86 feet; (8) South 83° 44' 17" East 123.06 feet; (9) South 89° 11' 29" East 378.47 feet; '1 II (10) South 86° 53' 58" East 139.56 feet; (ll) North 86° 09' 54" I E ast 133.10 feet; (12) North 81° 06' 07" East 340.80 feet; (13) Ii North 77° 20' 09" East 140.88 feet to land of The United States of America; RUNNING THENCE along said land of The United States of America, South 22° 00' 00" East 136.57 feet to a point on the ordinary high water line of Gardiner's Bay; RUNNING THENCE along said ordinary high water line of Gardiner's Bay the following three (S) courses and distances: (1) South 62° 45' 00" West Page 2 Put. lc Hearing - Nicholas Schi. _~ - 11/9/82 - 8:00 P.M. 47.25 feet; (2) South 59° 43' 56° 27' 16" West 191.61 feet 27" West 389.03 feet; (3) South to land now or formerly of James T. Hughes; RUNNING THENCE along said land now or formerly of Hughes, the following three (3) courses and distailces: (1) North 36° 06~ 50" West 233.06 feet to a monument; (2) South 53° 53' 10" West 100.00 feet to a monument; (3) South 36° 06' 50" East 228.57 feet to a point on the ordinary high water line of Gardiner's Bay; RUNNING THENCE along said ordinary high water line the following nine (9) courses and distances: (1) South 56~27' 16" Wesz 78.11 feet; (2) South 56° 36' 40" West 387.48 feet; (3) South 53° 09' 01" West 260.15 feet; (4) South 49° 20' 18" West 125.70 feet; (5) South 56° 01' 15~ West 140.02 feet; (6) South 46~ 25~ 28" West 88.13 feet; (7) South 53° 40' 50" West 75.92 feet; (8) South 63° 18' 18" 5~est 209.88 feet; (9) South 59° 05' 29" West 108.09 feet to land now or formerly of George E. Latham, Jr.; RUNNING THENCE along said land now or formel~ly of Latham, North 33= 40' 00" West 159.09 feet ~o a monument and other land now or formerly of Latham; RUNNING THENCE along said other land of Latham North 2 03' ,iO" East 200.20 feet to a pipe and other land of Latham; RUNNING THENCE along said other land of Latham the following two (2) courses and distances: (1) North 2° 03' 40" East 534.19 feeZ to a monument; (2) South 76° 11' 20" West 343.60 feet to a monument and land now or £ormerly of William G. Wysocki; RUNNING THENCE along said land now or formerly of Wysocki, South 74= 45' 40" West 203.85 feet to a monument and land now or formerly of The Long Island Lighting Company; RUNNING THENCE along said land now or formerly of The Long Island Lighting Company, South 78~ 11' 40" West 100.00 feet to a monument at the easterly line of land of C.S.C. Craneport, Inc.; RUNNING THENCE along said land of C.S.C. Craneport, Inc. the following two (2) courses and distances: (1) North 8° 04' 40" West 75.31 feet; (2) North 89~ 25' 30" West 210.73 feet to the westerly line of Lot No. 11 of the subdivision known as "Lands End"; RUNNING THENCE along said lot North 0~ 57' 30" East 142.12 fee~ to the southerly line of Lot No. 10 of the Page 3 - Pu,._~ic Hearing - Nicholas Schi .... - 11/9/82 - 8:00 P.M. subdivision known as erly line of said Lot to a point; Lots Nos. 9, North 1° 21' "Lands End"; RUNNING THENCE along the south- No. 10 North 82° 48' 10" East 17].08 feet RUNNING THENCE still along said Lot No. 10 and along 8, 7 and 6 of said subdivision known as "Lands End", 30" East 1004.08 feet to the ordinary high water line of Long Island Sound at the point or place of BEGINNING. Any person desiring to be heard on the above proposed amend- ment should appear at the time and place above so specified. DATED: October 19, 1982. BY ORDER OF TIlE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD JUDITH T. TERRY, TOWN CLERK PLEASE PUBLISH ONCE, OCTOBER 28, 1982, AND FORWARD ONE AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO JUDITH T. TERRY, TOWN CLERK, TOWN HALL, MAIN SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971. Copies to the following on October 21, 1982: The Long Island Traveler-Watchman The Suf£o]k Times Abigail Wickham, Attorney, a/c Nicholas Schick Town Board Members Town Clerk's Bulletin Board Received telephone call from Gail re: change of zone application of said the engineer Bob Well will environmental assessment form. meeting from 8:00 - 10:00 P.~I., the Poquatuck Hall, Wickham on 10/20/82 Nicholas Schick. She be sennding you the long form They plan to hold an information Friday, November 5, 1982 at Orient, New York. RECEIVED COUNTY OF SUFFOLk ,.c, [>:, i98 lo~,n C e-I( 5ou~Nold PETER F. COHALAN SUFFOLK COUNTY E)~ECUTIVE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING LEE E. ~OPPELMAN DIRECTOR OF PLANNING October 14, 1982 Ms. Judith T. Terry, Town Clerk Town of Southold Main Road Southold, N.Y. 11971 Application of "Nicholas Schick" (#253) for a change of zone from "A" Agricultural & Residential to "M-l" General-Multiple Residence, Town of Southold (SD-82-9). Dear Ms. Terry: Pursuant to the requirements of Sections 1323 to 1332 of the Suffolk County Charter, the Suffolk County Planning Commission on October 13, 1982 reviewed the above captioned application and after due study and deliberation Resolved to disapprove it because of the following: 1. The contemplated density of development appears excessive considering the unique physical characteristics of the premises; 2. It appears injurious to the integrity of the limited underground water resources in the locale; 3. Environmental constraints preclude reasonable development under exist- ing zoning; It is inconsistent with the Long Island 208 Water Quality Management Plan and subsequent related studies of the Suffolk County Department of Health Services which indicate severe water supply limitations in the locale; It is inconsistent with the Long Island regional element of the N.Y.S. Coastal Zone ~nagement Plan which designates this area for open space and recreational use; and it is inconsistent with the Town of Southold Development Plan which designates this area for agricultural-single family residence develop- ment. Very truly yours, GGN:jk Lee E. Koppelman Directo~ of Plannin~,~ Geral~ G. Newman Chief Planner WICKPIAM. WI~KHAM & BRESSL~, ~,.c. RECEIVED uC'! '_', i98 October 8, 1982 Town Cler~ $oufhold SuffoLk ODunty Planning Co~nission Veterans F~n~rial Highway Hauppauge, NY 11787 Att: ~. C~ra]d Nc~zmar, Re: Nicholas Schick - Orient Point Property Tnis is to confirm our teleDhone conversati~ in which I indicated thau the notatic~ on the sketch plan referring to a cc~unity septic system located in the mmadc~ area is ~ncorrect. ~ne water rec/]ar~c~ systeJn will be located in the n~ado~ and the septic systea~ will be located as indicated in the report of Henderson and Bodwell. Very truly yours, · Abio~il A. ~'~ickham / Southold To~n Clerk OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF $OUTHOLD Town ttall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold. New York 11971 TELEPHONE t516) 765-180l September 14, 1982 Gerald G. Newman, Chief Planner Suffolk County Department of Planning Vererans Memorial Highway Hauppauge, New York 11788 Dear ~lr. Newman: As requested in your letter of August 9, 1982, enclosed herewith are the following documents pertaining to application for a change of zone by Nicholas Schick at Orient Point, New York: (1) A site Plan indicating dwelling units to be provided m~dall existing and proposed buildings. (2) Water and sanitary facilities to be provided. (3) Renovation and relocation plans for the OrSent Point Inn. (4) Available explanatory information to demonstrate the need for the rezoning. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Enclosures (3) WICKHAM, WICKHAM & BRESSIER, P.e. MAIN ROAD, ~.O. BOX September 13, 1982 Mrs. Judith Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall Southold, NY 11971 RECEIVED. SEP 1 3 19B2 ~own Clerk Seuth~ld Re: Application for Change of Zone Nicholas Schick - Orient Pt. property Dear Judy: Pursuant to your letter dated August 12, 1982, we enclose the items requested by the Suffolk County Department of Planning, as follows: 1. A statement of the explanatory information demonstrating the need for the rezoning. Exhibit A to the statement, which includes the site plan and a description of the renovation and relocation plans for the Orient Point Inn. 3. Water Report of Henderson and Bodwell, Consulting Engineers (Exhibit B). Please advise if you have any additional requirements. Very truly yours, AAW:ep Encls. REPORT WATER SUPPLY FOR THE ORIENT POINT PROJECT 0 CONSULTING ENGINEERS 120 EXPRESS STREET PLAINVIEW, NEW YORK 11803 Re: Application of Nicholas Schick Property at Orient Point, N.Y. EXPLANATORY INFORMATION TO DEMONSTRATE NEED FOR REZONING Applicant has applied for a rezoning to M-1 General Multiple Residence in order to develop a condominium-convention center that will take advantage of the unique physical character- is~ics, historical aspects, and economic realities of the property. The applicant proposes to cluster a maximum of 150 condominium units, 30 of which will be part of an inn-convention center. The focal point of the center will be the historical Orient Point Inn, now located on an adjacent 2 acre parcel zoned M-I, which will be relocated and restored. Other key points of the project are maximum use of open space, stormwater recharge system with water supply and treatment plant, continued public access, and architectural techniques to minimize the visual impact of the condominium units. The site plan is attached as Exhibit A, together with drawings and floor plans of the Inn as it will appear after restoration. Current zoning would enable development of single-family homes, but would not provide economic feasibility to restore the Orient Point Inn, estimated to cost $1,000,000o00, which would be amortized over the entire project. Single-family development would also close this unique part of eastern Long Island to the public, which has for many years used it as an access point to the tip of Orient Point for fishing. The proposed project would take advantage of open space, to be used for both water supply and recreation. There are no parcels zoned M-1 in Southold Town which are comparable in waterfront characteristics to this parcel. The comprehensive plan for Southold Town contemplates multiple residence use when the need and demand develop. Southold To~'$ economy is largely based upon its seasonal and tourist ~rade, and the market for a resort complex is very strong. The location is accessible from the Orient Point-New London ferry as well as from western Long Island. The comprehensive plan also requires consideration of the effects of multi-family use on the community character and municipal services. This part of Orient is now predominated by commercial ventures (ferry dock, marina/restaurant, Plum Island ferry) and single-family subdivisions containing several modern homes. However, Orient in general has strong historical character, and restoration of the Inn would enhance the historical flavor of the community. The Inn wou%d present an impressive and attractive view from the water, as the Point is primarily visible to the sailors, fishermen, and pleasure boats in Gardiner~s Bay and Long Island Sound. The project would attract people with good incomes, providing good benefits to local shopping, and property tax revenues would be considerably above revenues to be expected from single- family development. Impact upon municipal services would be minimal. The project would have private pumping and water storage facilities, including a 100,000 gallon water reserve (see Water Supply Report, attached as Exhibit B) and private security. Fire and police protection will be coordinated with the Orient Point Fire Department and Southold Town Police Department. School age children will be very limited, and a significant number of year-round and seasonal jobs will be provided. ~ater conservation will be emphasized, with individual meters and a rate structure based upon usage, as well --2- as an extensive Storm Water Management system. Weekly street sweeping will reduce possible contaminate loads and remove deleterious materials from road surfaces. The Water Supply Report explains the results of testing and the proposed recharge system and reverse osmosis system, which will provide ample water supply to the project and improve the quality of groundwater in the area. The unique location of the property makes its use for multiple residence suitable from a planning standpoint. It is surrounded either by water or by developed property, so downzoning of neighboring parcels is unlikely to occur, and the impact on neighboring parcels is minimized. Although the project does not fall within the areas suggested by the master plan for multiple use (south of Route 25 or within a strip on Long Island Sound), its unique location, east of the terminus of Route 25, is not addressed by the master plan location studies. It is several miles from Greenport, the nearest major shopping area, but the shopping requirements of the residents will be periodic - weekends and summers, and the project itself will supply some shopping services. In summary, the rezoning is economically necessary to take full advantage of the unique aspects of this property, and conforms with sound zoning practices. Submitted By: Abigail A. Wickham, Esq. Wickham, Wickham & Bressler, P.C. Attorneys for Nicholas Schick Main Road - P.O. Box 1424 Mattituck, NY 11952 (5160 298-8353 RECEIV~ To,~n Clerk $~uth~ld WlCKHAM, WlCKI-IAM & BRE:SSL~'R, August 19, 1982 Mrs. Judith T. Te~ry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall P.O. Box 728 Southold, NY 11971 Re: Application of Nicholas Schick Dear Judy: Thank you for your letter of August 12th regarding the additional information requested by the Suffolk County Department of Planning. We are in the process of compiling the information and will forward it to you as soon as possible. Very truly yours, AAW:ep OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 August 12, 1982 Abigail A. Wickham, Attorney Main Road, P. O. Box 1424 Mattituck, New York 11952 Dear Gail: The application of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone on certain property at Orient Point has been referred to the Suffolk County Department of Planning for their recommendations. I am now in receipt of a letter from the Suffolk County Department of Planning requesting the following: 1. A site plan indicating dwelling units to be provided in all existing and proposed buildings. 2. Water and sanitary facilities to be provided. 3. Renovation and relocation plans for the Orient Point Inn. 4. Available explanatory information to demonstrate the need for the rezoning. Please submit the above to me at your earliest convenience. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk cc: Planning Board Town Board Members RECEIVED AUG 1 2 1982 Town Clerk Southold COUNTY OF SUFFOLK DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING (516) 360°5513 LEE E. KOPPELMAN Town of Southold Town Clerk Re: Mun. File No.: Zoning Action: August 9, 1982 Nicholas Schick 253 C/Z 'A" Residential & Agricultural to "M-i" General Multiple Residence Gentlemen: Please be advised that pursuant to Sections 1323 to 1332 of the Suffolk County Charter, the above captioned application will not be reviewed because of noncompli- ance with requirements for notice and maps as stipulated in Informational Bulletin No. 8 of the Suffolk County Planning Commission. The following information will only be accepted upon submission through the offices of the municipal referring agency. Please provide the following: (1) a site plan indicating dwellin~ units to be provided in all existing and proposed buildings; (2) water and sanitary facilities to be provided; (3) renovation and relocation plans for the Orient Point Inn; and (4) available explanatory information to demonstrate the need for the rezoning. Thank you. Very truly yours, Lee E. Koppelman Director of Planning Gerald G. Newman Chief Planner Orig, Adz. Da ..... / File 4390 Orchard Street Orient, New York 11957 Hon. William R. Pell III Supervisor, Town of Southold Southold Town Hall 53095 Main Road Southold, New York 11971 August 9, 1982 AUO I 11982 Dear Mr. Pell: We read in disbelief that Southold's Planning Board supports the downzoning of 44 acres in Orient from agricultural/residential to multiple-dwelling use. There are two overwhelming reasons why the Town Board must reject the proposal outright. The proposed Orient Point project of Nicholas M. Schick calls for a peak summer population of 700 persons. It is the Planning Board's opinion allowing the downzoning would leave more land un- developed. Seven hundred people will need the undeveloped land to park their cars and stand on! Seven hundred people is nearly double the permanent population of Orient~ It is incredulous our planners considered, no less supported, this concept! The developers are dangling the carrot of rebuilding the old inn. If the price of resurrecting the inn is 700 people on 44 acres, then the price is way too high. The character of the community of Orient would be irreversibly changed by the crush of people and the traffic they generate. Let the inn die a graceful death and be demolished. A second reason for rejection of the zone change is water supply. The developers have proposed a reverse osmosis (R/O) treatment unit, adding that granular activated carbon (GAC) can be installed if necessary. R/O is effective in reducing chloride content; and as many Southold residents are painfully aware, GAC is useful for removing low concentrations of pesticides. However, water analyses submitted by the developer show over 37,000 parts per billion of pesticides, including DDT, in the water supply of the project. TO illustrate the point, Greenport Water District Well 6-1 contains approximately 20 parts per billion pesticides, which is passed through a filter containing over 20,000 pounds of carbon to be purified. A proven reliable water treatment system for the magni- tude of contamination the developers say is present does not exist. Hon. William R. Page 2 August 9, 1982 Pell III The issue of changing the face of a community should have prevailed in the planners' minds. Now, it's up to the Town Board to decide whether to save the inn or destroy the community. Very truly yours, -~a~ln a ~eslle Trent cc Members of the Town Board The Suffolk Times JUDI I-Il T. TERRY T o'kg% CLERK [~EGISTKAR OF VITAL STATISTICS OFFIcE oF TowN CLERK TOWN OF SouTHo£D' SUFFOLK COUNTY TELEPHONE Southold, L. [., N. Y. 1 I971 Pursuant to Sections 1323 to 1332 of the Suffolk County Charter the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby refers the following proposed zoning action to the Suffolk County Planning Commission: New zonin~ Ordinance Amendment of zoning ordinance X Amendment of zoning map (change of zone)"A" to "~{-1" Application No. 253 by Nicholas Schick. Location of affected land: At Orient Point, Orient~ New York Suffolk County Tax Map No.: Dist. 1000, Section 015, Block 09, Lot 2 within 500 feet of: X X X X The boundary of any village or town The boundary of any existing or proposed county, state or federal park. The right-of-way of any existing or proposed county or state parkway, thruway, expressway, road or highway. The existing or proposed right-of-way or any stream or drainage channel owned by the county or for which the county has established channel lines. The existing or proposed boundary of any other county, state or federally owned land. The Long Island Sound, any bay 'i~ Suffolk County or estuary of any of the foregoing bodies of water. or within one mile of : Nuclear power plant. Airport COM~MENTS: Attached hereto is recommendation of Southold Town Planning Board~ as well as application and all pertinent documents and maps. Date August 6. 1982 P~'~-- Judith T. Terry Southold Town ~lerk RECEIVED AU6 1987_ Town Cler~ Seutheld ,D HENRY E. RAYNOR, Jr., Chairman JAMES WALL BENNETT ORLOWSKI, JL GEORGE RITCH1E LATHAM, Jr. WILLIAM F. MULLEN, Jr. Southold, N.Y. 11971 TELEPHONE 765-1938 August 4, 1982 Southold Town Board Southold Town Hall Southold, New York 11971 Re: Orient Point Property (Nicholas Schick) Change of Zone Gentlemen: The following action was Monday, August 2, 1982. taken by the Southold Town Planning Board, RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend approval on the application of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-l" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, New York. This resolution was unanimously adopted. Very truly yours, HENRY E. RAYNOR, JR., CHAIRMAN SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD By Susa~E. Long, Secreta~  P.O. BOX 66 GREENPORT, NEW YORK 11944 Orient East Marion Greenport Southold Peconic July 26, 1982 Sups=visa= William R. Poll, Southold Town Boa=d Town Hail Southold, New Yo~k 11971 III & Gentlemen: The G=eenpo=t-Southold Chambe= of Comme~ce ~ead with interest the a=ticie in the local newspape=s conce=ning p~esentation of the p=oposed plans fo~ the O~ient Point Inn by the owns=, M=. Nicholas Schick. Ou= o~ganization was very impressed by the proposed plans. a~ea has long bean in nasd of such a convention cants:-motal unit complex. We believe that it would generate the tou=ist industry and create a boon to the economy of the local a=ea. We he=eby request that you look favorably upon the change of zone application on this property currently be?o~e this boa~d ?o~ your conside=ation. Very truly yours, Graenport-Southold Chambe~ o? Commerce JHB/bn sc: Henry Rayno=, Chairman, Southold Town file P~ning Boa~d _ Cop~es ~.C. T.~. ~ Adg. Date_ __ Orient East Marion Greenport Southold Peconic July 26, 19B2 Henry Raynor, Jr., Chairman Southold Town Planning Board Town Hall $outhold, New York 11971 Gentlemen: The Greenport-Southold Chamber o? Commerce read with interest the article in the local nemspapers concerning presentation the proposed plans for the Orient Point Inn by the Nicholae Schick. Our organization ~as vary impressed by the proposed plans. Our mrea has long been in need of such a convention center-motel unit complex. ~e believe that i~ mould generate the tourist industry and thereby create a boon to the economy of the local area. We understand that Mr. Schick currently has a change of zone application before the Southold Town Board on ~hich they will request your recommendation, and that "site plan approval" will at some time in the future be requested by the osner from your board. We hereby request that you look favorably upon this application ~ith regard to your reccomsndation to the Town Board and also~ your approval of the site plan. Very truly yours, John H. Berryman, President Oreenport-Southoid Chamber of Commerce JHB/bn cc: Supv. Wm. Ro file Pell,III & Southold Tomn ~oar~ WICKHAM, WICKHAM & BRESSLER, P.c. MAIN ROAD, P,O. BOX I424 MATTITUCK LONG ISLAND July 22, 1982 Southold Town ClerM Town Hall Southold, NY 11971 Re: Application of Nicholas Schick Property at Orient Point, NY Dear Sir: Enclosed please find three (3) copies of the map in connection with the above matter. We have supplied the Planning Board with the number of maps it requires. Very truly ~ Ellen M. Preston Legal Assistant /ep Encls. OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 July 22, 1982 Abigail A. Main Road Mattituck, Dear Gail: Wickham, Attorney New York 11952 With reference to Environmental Assessment Form sent to you for completion in relation to the petition of Nicholas Schick, I had reason to study it closely today and find it was put together incorrectly. I am enclosing a proper form for completion and apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. Very truly yours, J~~ d.~T~ rry Southold Town Clerk Enclosure OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765q 801 July 8, 1982 Abigail A. Main Road Mattituck, Wickham, Attorney New York 11952 Dear Gail: The Southold Town Board at a regular meeting held on July 7, 1982 adopted resolutions transmitting the petltion of Nicholas Schick to the Planning Board for recommendation and report, declared themselves lead agency in regard to the State Environmental ©uality Review Act, AND required that the Long Environmental Assessment Form be submitted with reference to the aforesaid ~pplication of Nicholas Schick. I am enclosingherewith the long Environmental Assessment Form which I request you complete and return to me at your earliest convenience. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Enclosure cc: Planning Board OFF[CE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD July 8, 1982 Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801. Mr. David DeRidder Environmental Analysis Unit N.Y.S. Dept. of Environmental Conservation Building 40, SUNY - Room 219 Stony Brook, New York 11794 Dear .,ir. DeRidder: Enclosed is application of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-l" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, New York. This project is unlisted and our initial determination of non-significance has been made and we wish to coordinate this action to conform our initial determination in our role as lead agency. May we have your views on this matter. Written comments on this project will be received at this office until July 27, 1982 We shall interpret your lack of response to mean there is no objection by your agency. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Town Clerk EI1c losures Commissioner Flacke Southold Town Building Department OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 July 8, 1982 Henry E. Raynor, Jr., Chairman Southold Town Planning Board Southold Town Hall Southold, New York 11971 Dear Mr. Raynor: Transmitted herewith is petition No. 253 of Nicholas Schick requesting a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to ")~-1" General ~4ultiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, New York. You are hereby instructed to prepare an official report defining the conditions described in said petition and deter- mine the area so affected with your recommendations. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Enclosure JUDITH T. TERRY TOWN CLERK REGISTRAR Ol VITAL STATISTICS OFFICEOF TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD SUFFOLK COUNTY Southold, L. I., N. Y. 11971 July 6, 1982 TELEPIIONE (516) 765-1801 To Whom It May Concern: Attached hereto is Short Environmental Assessment Form filed by Nicholas Schick in connection with his application for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, New York. Southold Town Clerk Posted on Town.Clerk's Bulletin Board on July 6, 1982. " TOWN OF SOUTHOLD SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FOR~4 TNSTRUCTIONS: (c) In order to answer the questions in this short EAF St is assumed that the preparer will use currently ovaSlable information concerning the project and the l±kely impacts of the action. Tt is not expected that add±tlona~ studies~ [eseo~ch or other investigations wSll be undertckeno (b) T£ any question has been answered Yes the pro,eat may be s~gnificant and a completed EnvS~onmental Assessment Form Ss necessary. (c) TF all questSons have been answered No £¢ Ss likely that this pro~ect is not s~gnifScant. (dj Env±ronmental Assessment ~. ¥;±1L p~oject result in a large p~y_~.ic.al change to the proje_ct site or physically alte4r more than l0 acres of land? ........................ .~Yes No 2. WSll there be a major change to any unique or unusual land form Found on the site? ...... ;... Yes. l/No 3. ¥/Lll project alter or have a large effect on ex~sting body o£ wo~er? ....................... Y.es. 4. ~'/~Z1 project have a potentially large impact on grau~dwaLdz quality? ....................... . Yes 5. ¥tSIZ p~oject signSfiicantly effect drainage - flow on adjacent s~tes? ........ ................ Yas 6. \'fSi1 p~ojeat affect any threatened o~ endangered plant or anSmal specSes? ........... Yes.. ~No 7. ¥I~11 project result in a mc jar adverse effect on air quality? ............................... Yes_ /No 8. W±ZZ project have a major effect on v~suaL character o£ the community or scenic views or vistas known to be important to the community?.~(/.fes. No ?. Will project adversely impact any site or structure of histo~ic~ prehistorSc or paleontological importance or any site desSgnoted os a critical envSronmenta~ area 10. WSll project have o 'major effect on existing future recreational opportunities? ......... Yes /x/No 1l. W£Z1 project result in major traffic problems or cause a major effect to ex&sting transportation systems? ....................... Yes DX/No ~2. ¥/111 projec¢ ~egula~ly cause objectionable ' ' odcrrs~ noise, glore~ vibration, or electrScal d~sturbance as a result of the project's operatSon? .................................... Yes. 13. W£11 project have any impact on publ£c heo~th -. or' safety? .................................... Yes ~-/No 14. ¥~111 projec{ affect the existing community by directly cousSng o growth in permanent populotSon of' more than .5 percent ove~ o one year perSod or hove o mojo~ negative effect on ~che choroc¢.er of the commun±ty or neighborhood? ............... ~ .................. Yes o 15. Ts thez'e public controversy conce~-nlng,~,h~p, project? ........................... ''' ~/.J~. ~/?[~ ~,;~ Yes No DATE July 2, 1982 CASE NO: ~'~ ~'~ sTm~ OF N~ YO~ ~/~ ~¢~¢~0~ ¢OW~ O~ SO~O~ ~ ~¢ ~¢~¢~ O~ ~ ~¢~=0~ O~ ~C~O~S SC~C~ FOR A CH~GE, MOD~ICATION O~ ~ENDMENT OF T~ BUILD~G ZONE O~- ~c~ o~' ~ TOW~ OF so~o~D, s~o~ CO~T~, ~W ~O~. TO THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD: 392 Fifth Avenue 1. I,I~%G~{Q~4~,S...~.C~I%.Gg, .............................. residing at N.~..w._..Y..o...r. k01 ................................... (insert name of petitioner) Xlg~gg~ New York, the undersigned, am the owner of certain real property situated at O..r..'.x..e...n..t.....P._o..~_~.t..~ ............................... and more particularly bounded and described as follows: SEE SCHEDULE B ATTACHED HERETO 2. I do hereby petition the Town Board of the Town of Southold to change, modify and amend the Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, including the Building Zone Maps heretofore made a part thereof, as follows: Change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural to "M-I" Multiple Residence. 3. Such request is made for the following reasons: Applicant desires to develop a multiple residence concept containing condominium units, in conjunction with the relocation and restoration of the Orient Point Inn facility. Appropriate covenants will be provided to limit density and preserve large portions of open space. The economic feasibility of restoring the historic Orient Point Inn and developing it into a hotel center in conjunction with the condominium project requires the change of zone applied for. In addition, the technological requirements for adequate water and sanitary facilities requires a change of zone in order to afford applicant a reasonable return on his investment. The proposed change would enable development which will upgrade the premises over a single-family residence concept in terms of visual impact, historical significance, economic benefit to the community and water quality and availability. WICKHAM, WICKHAM & BRESSLER, P.C. Abigail ~. ~Wickham Attorneys for Applicant, Nicholas Schick STATE OF NEW YORK, ) ) SS:- COUNTY OF SUFFOLK, ) ABIGAIL A. WICKHAM, BEING DULY SW.ORN, deposes and says that a member 6f' ~b~J 'fi2ri~'6~'. W-~; ~-i~ '~ 'I)~,ESSIgR, P.C., with offzces at Main Road, Mattimmk, gtl~e-~ ~e,.~eY~ii~e~ r~C~l~ain action; that~he has read the foregoing Petition and kno,vs the contents thereof; that the same is true to I~ (her) own knowledge, except as to the matters therein stated to be alleged on information and belief, and that as to those mattersShe believes it , . the reason th~]s .verif.ication ~s .made by her instead of _by .the Pe. titione_r is be- de tru? gaus~ the~tltlone_r ~s not,vr~t~iD th~- ~ty o~ Su~olk.~nich.~s. ere she nas ner orr~_ces. '£ne gro~mos or ner ~e£~_er as ro not stated upon her knowledge.are ~s fgllows: Statemmt of Petit~_oBejc.and his agents and correspen..den~e.and.othe~: w~.t~ngs fu~i~gect to her tly Petitiene~; ~nd his ggants., and .her genera~ investigate_on oZ the facts or tn~_s case, ano a survey or rne prerr~ses ~n quesczon. Sworn to before me this . 2nd. day of .. Jllly, ................ 19.82. ............. Notary Public. SCHEDULE B ALL that certain plot, piece or parcel of land, with the buildings and improvements thereon erected, situate, lying and being at Orient, in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, and State of New York, bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a point on the ordinary high water line of Long Island Sound, where line of Lot No. 6 of the County File No. 5909; the same is intersected by the easterly subdivision known as "Lands End", Suffolk Island i. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 United RUNNING THENCE along said ordinary high water line of Long Sound the following thirteen ~13) courses and distances: South 40° 25' South 50° 36' South 62° 11' South 73° 47' South 68° 03' South 72° 19' South 78° 36' South 83° 44' South 89° 11' South 86° 53' North 86° 09' North 81° 06' North 77° 20' 36" East 42.64 feet; 45" East 102.37 feet; 38" East 168.23 feet; 43" East 189 feet; 04" East 137.28 feet; 46" East 598.52 feet; 11" East 126.86 feet~ 17" East 123.06 feet; 29" East 378.47 feet; 58" East 139.56 feet; 54" East 133.10 feet; 07" East 340.80 feet; 09" East 140.88 feet to land of The States of America; RUNNING THENCE along said land of America, South 22° 00' 00" East 136.57 ordinary high water line of Gardiner's Bay; RUNNING THENCE along said ordinary high water Gardiner's Bay the following three (3) courses and the United States of feet to a point on the line of distances: ßz0z"B€)sz2­Ëz4{!/zt¦zFõzi~¡CÉ æ¡J~È “Ì(ÃÈáÈ_HÈ;€íbéîD4î`®ð M 2¿ 2¿ 2¿ 2¿ 3Q´YjYDÉZM}s—}s—}s—}s—}s—}s—~—]µd4tt®´â–D23³n3ãn3ŽÉ›Ô ­Ûá%Ìô&kävZû ddDK§f(o2hza«h Øhm µ* }GÕ„Õ„Ò TÒ T7# 6è*6è*6è* /õ2 /õ2 7ƒ) 7ƒ)Òb»EÒb»Eîƒ0,@‚.”ˆ;؉C؉C*‘N‚AN‚AÕ¢&Õ¢&ð®uð®uð®uœÌ ˜ò´ë6ó늄ëVáëë‹–ëA –ëA ßìþì$ìªóÌìëì) ì,MìyÍðìì&ìlŒírí7Fî 4,iŠGÛgJ/ 6¾ ¾ à˜à˜—1¶11ï16-1gœ1c1BQ2-…14)…14)…14)…14)¿2”(¿2”(¿2”([6{3sõ3ã'õ3ã'á8M7;3[DU,¶Xœ–}´w0ëw@3wa›wÁw,öw‰†5Â|'ñxy’°xNygvy—yk zX–™¶™C™ju–Mu–MÊšcš&›l›r|›/±“@ ù£ –k#€˜RÙ—ù˜&'•x%¨;ì¥ šO 2»8t»™»4ÖÂü¼%)¼mŸ¼o¼$B¼~ǽ†U¾%‚¾D—æ³ß$àßgOß:‘߶ّ$¶Ù‘$NÙXNÙX­àKè!á@ß0wá%¤Þ, ×èa?â<ƒé ‹fj‘.£ŠSŠ.8Šu¶Ž×Š‹"‹(U¤ÈÉðÊ('È‚·Ê~DÇmÈ'¥Ç0åÈ2'φ½Ç$ðÈIIÈ.†ÈË<ÊJ˜ÌúU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!úU!ÈD1C˜E¹BKFÝGÝGÝGÝGÝGÝGÝGÈ_[1`H…g©`ZÉŸïž'#t¤œnÅçchçMœê=qÀ-=lÀ-=lÀ-=lÀ-=lÀ-=lTŽzø‹‰‹‰×‹‰ ‹‰¡ê%Ô=PTz Ž‰‹‰ ׋‰ ‹‰¡ê%Ô=PT•zxŽ‰‹‰'׋‰ ‹‰¡ê%Ô=Pð?ð?ð?ð?ÿÿÿÿ@hx†Sp†S, \†S@ x†Sp†SP°8(«·B@æÅ&8dâ%ddâ%ÈŽšÈŽš TOWN OF SOUtHOLD SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM [NSTRUCT]ONS: (o) In Orde~ to answer the questlons in this short EAF it is assumed that the preparer will use currently available information concerning the project and the l±kely impacts of the action. ]t is not expected that odditlonal studies, research or other investigations will be undertaken. (b) If any question has been answered Yes the pto~ect may be significant and a completed Environmental Assessment Fo~m is necessary. (c) If all questions have been answered No it is likely that this project ~s not s~gn~f~can~. (dj Envi'ronmentol Assessment ~. Will p~oject ~esult in a lo~ge p~sicai change ¢o the p~oject site o~ physically altem mo~e than 10 ac=es oF Iand? ....................... /Yes No 2. Wil1 the~e be o ma~o~ change to any unique at unusual land fo~m found on the site? ......... __Yes ~No 3. Wii~ p~oject alte~ o~ have a ~a~ge effect on existing body of water? ...................... __Yes ~No 4. Will project have o potentially la~ge impact Yes on g~ouMdwote'~ quality? ................. fZow on adjacent sites?.. ...... ............... Yes 6. W~ project of Fec~ any ~h~eatened o~ endangered p}an~ o~ an~ma} species? .......... Yes 7. W~Z~ p~ojec¢ result ~n a mojo~ adverse effect on o$~ quality? ............................... Yes. 8. ¥~ p~ojec¢ have a mojo~ effect on v~sua} cho~ocLe~ of ~he community o~ scenic v~e~s v~s~as known ~o be ~mpo~¢an¢ ~o ~he commun$~y?~fes~No ?. Will project adversely ~mpact any site or structure of historic, prehistoric or paleontological importance or any si~e designated as a critical environmental area / 10. Will projec% hove a bajor effec~ on existing or future recreational opportunities? ......... Yes ;/No 11. Will project result ~n major ~raffic problems ' or cause a major effect ~o existing transportation systems? ....................... Yes ~No 12. Will project regularly cause objec%ionable oders, noise, glare, vibration, or electrical disturbance as o resul~ of the projec%'s operation? ..................................... Yes I/No 13. Will projec% hove any impac~ on public health or safety? .................................... _ Yes ~No 14. Will project affect the existing community by directly causing o growth in permonen% population of more than 5 percen~ over a one yeo~ period or have a major negative effect on the character of the community o~ neighborhood? ................................. Yes o ZS. ~s the~e pubt~c controversy concern~ng.¢h~ ' - project? .............................. ~¢ ~/2~. ~ Yes No ~.C. WICKHAM, ~ICKHAM & BRESSLER, B~A~gai'l A. 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Box 1424 Mattituck, N.Y. 11952 Mr. & Mrs. Silvio Zenmore 238 Querbes Ave. Outremont, Quebec, Canada A Mr. & Mrs. Silvio Z~nore 238 Quezi~s Avenu~ 0utr~m~t, ~hec, Canada long Island Lighting Co. 250 Old fD~t~y ~oad Mineola, New York 11501 Mro &Mrs. ~q~s. Manis 47 Vanderlyn Drive Manhasset, New York 11030 Mr. Ernest Wilsberg Ole Jule iane Mattituck, New York 11952 Mr. Omzes F~ Sv~cek 149 No. 10th Street New Hyde Park, New Y~rk 11040 Mr. & Mrs. John Delagranmmtikas 149 - 17 21st 'Ave. Whitestone, ~ York 11357 Mr. &Mrs. 0arums T. Hughes 45-12 216th Street Bayside, New York 11361 Mr. &Mrs. John Capous 44 - 33 233rd Street Bayside, New York 11361 United Sta~m-~ Government Washington, D.C. 20013 Mr. & Mrs. John W. Norris 2620 IDftus Avenu~ Oceanside, New York 11572 Mr. Joseph Gazza 388 B~Dad Hollow Mad Fanningdale, New York 11735 Mr. Willimm G. Wjsocki Orchard Street Orient, New Yo~k Orient, New Yo~k 11957 11957 Mr. Frmnk Dinda 10 Maple Avenue Fazmingdmle, New York. ~rj. George E. Latham, Jr.. M~n ~oad Orient, New York 11957 11735 Mr. George E. Latham, Jr. Orient, New York 11957 WlCI~HAM, WICKHANI & BRESSLER, P.c. MAIN ROAD~ P.O.E~OX 1~2~% MATTI~'UCK LONG ISLAND July 2, 1982 Southold Town Board Town Hall Southold, NY 11971 Re: Application of Nicholas Schick Gentlemen: In connection with the above application for change of zone, we enclose the following: 1. Petition~ in triplicate; Original Notice to Adjoining Property Owners, with proof of mailing and affidavit of service thereon; 3. Short Environmental Assessment Form; 4. Three copies of the survey; 5. Our check in the sum of $100, representing the application fee. You will note that the surveys submitted do not meet the requirements of the Suffolk County Planning Commission. I spoke to Mr. Tasker this morning, and he advised me to submit these maps with the understanding that maps contain- ing the necessary information will be submitted to you and to the Planning Board as soon as possible. Please call me if you have any questions. We would appreciate your scheduling this matter for the July 7th agenda and referring the matter to the Planning Board in time for their meeting on Monday, July 19th. Very truly yours, -~ig~il A. Wickham AAW:ep Encls. THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED BY THE SOUTNOLD TOWN BOARD AT A REGULAR MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 27, 1983: WHEREAS, a petition was heretofore flied with the Town Board of the Town of Southold by ...... .N..!.c..h..o..l..a,.s....S..c..h,.i..c..k. .................................................. requesting a change, modification and amendment of the Building Zone Ordinance including the Building Zone Mops made a part thereof by chang- "A" Residential and "M-I" General lng from ........ ~.g.r.i~:~!.t.l~lr..a.! ............. District to ...... ..M..u..[.t~q!~...l~.e..s.j..d.~.n..c..e... District the property described in said petition, and WHEREAS said petition was duly referred to the Planning Board for its investigation, recommendation and report, and its report having been filed with the Town Board, and thereafter, o public hearing in relation to said petition having been duly held by the Town Board on the ...~h ............ day. and reconvened on the 7th day of Decemoer, 1982 of ........ ..N..o..¥..e..m...b..e.~ ..................... , 19.~.2...., and due deliberation having been had thereon NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the relief demanded in said petition be, and it hereby is DENIED. The Board has determined that this is not a proper area for a "M~I'' Multiple Residence District, and such a district would be inconsistent with the Southold Town Master Plan. DATED: December 27, 1983. BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD JUDITH T. TERRY, TOWN CLERK JUDITH T TERRY TOWN CLERK REGISTRAROI VITALSIXlISI'ICS OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD January 12, 1984 Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 Anna E. Wasserbach, Chairman N.Y. Federation for Safe Energy Box 2308 W. Saugerties Road Saugerties, New York 12477 Dear Ms. Wasserbach: This office has only one copy of the Final ElS for the Nicholas Schick proposed change of zone at Orient Point. The cost to photocopy same would be $19.50. However, the Final ElS was prepared by Henderson and Bodwell, 120 Express Street, Plainview, New York 11803 and you might like to request a copy from them. For your further information, the petition in question by Nicholas Schick was denied by the Southold Town Board on December 27, 1983, which also terminated the SEQR process. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk JUDITH T. TERRY TOWN ('LERK OFFICE OF TilE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Halt, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 NOTICE OF SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT December 27, 1983 DESCRIPTION OF ACTION Petiton of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold, New York. DECISION OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD ON THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT: WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick, on November 21, 1983, filed a Final Environ- mental Impact Statement in connection with his petition for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold, New York, now therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby determines that said proposed change of zone by Nicholas Schick will have a significant effect on the environment, and can reasonably be expected to lead to the follow- ing consequences: (a) A substantial adverse change to the water quality and quantity of the area. (b) A substantial adverse change in the use, or intensity of use of of the land or other natural resources in their capacity to support sewage disposal. (c) The change of zone would likely cause a change in the intensity of the use of the property by inc,'easing the number of people that would reside and occupy the land. Copies to: David DeRidder, DEC, Stony Brook Commissioner Williams, DEC, Albany Southold Town Planning Board Southold Town Building Department Town Clerk's Bulletin Board Abigail A. Wickham, Attorney for Nicholas Schick C Mrs. Judy Terry Town Clerk Town Hall Southold, N.Y. 11971 NORTH FORK ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL, INC. Box 311, Sou,'hold, New Yorl: 11971 RECEIVED DEC Town Clerk Soufhold December 14, 1983 Dear Mrs Terry: After revlewlng the FEI~ Polnt~ the North mork Environmental Council is opposition to the project. 1. %4bile the reverse osmosis process oT ~lr. Schick for Orient still in is known to be feasable~ Mr. Bod~ell's profosal ~or a recharge gallery plus a RO system with the ~ccrued effluent being passed either ~nto the sound or returned ~o the groundwater is totally unacceptable. There are no known studies of this being done given-the specific problems of the Point~ therefore no data has been collected on shot% or long term effects. Due to our lragile aquafer~ Orient Point should not become a laboratory. 2. We believe the traffic study done for the FEI$ is understated~ to say the least. Traffic on ~oute 25 has increased substantially over the past few years due to the increased Cross Island Ferry service~ the Orient Stale Park and a greater ~nflux of tourists. 3. ~r Bodwell's statement that the wildli%e would increase seems sbsolutely ludicrous. 5iost of Or~ent P~int has lain fallow for quite a ~e~ years and a special ecosyster~ has evolved -- WICk(HAM, WIC!~HAM ~ BI~ESSLER, ~.¢. MAIN ROAD~ P.O.E~OX I424 MAtTITUCK LONG ISLAND NEW yORK 11952 RECEIVED gE6 6 Town Clerk Southold S[6-298-8353 December 5, 1983 Mrs. Judith T. 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MATtlTUCK LONG ISLAND RECEIVED OEC 6 December 5, 1983 Town Clerk Southold Mrs. Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Dear the extension you requested Re: Application of Nicholas Schick Property at Orient Point Judy: On behalf of Mr. Schick, I would like to consent to in your letter of November 30th. Very truly yours, Abigail A. 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Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Re: Application of Nicholas Schick Property at Orient Point AAW:emu Dear Judy: On behalf of Mr. Schick, I would like to consent to the extension you requested in your letter of November 30th. 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TERRY [OWN CIIRK REGISTRAROI VITALS~XlISII('S OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TI':LEPItONE (516) 765-180[ NOTICE OF SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT Dated: September 20, 1983 Pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations, and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Southold Town Board, as lead agency~ upon receipt of a Draft Environmental Impact Statement~ and public hearing on same, does hereby determine that the action described below is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environ- ment and has requested the filing of a Final Environmental Impact Statement. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION Petition of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold, New York. Further information can be obtained by contacting Mrs. Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York 11971. Copies to: David DeRidder~ DEC, Stony Brook Commissioner Williams, DEC, Albany Southold Town Building Department Southold Town Planning Board Town Clerk's Bulletin Board Abigail Wickham, Attorney for Nicholas Schick JUDITH T. TERRY TOWN (IIRK RE(;ISTRAR OF VITAL SI 511SIICS OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTtlOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONI~ (516) 765 1801 THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED BY THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD AT A REGULAR MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 20, 1983: WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick has heretofore filed a petition with the Town Clerk, pursuant to Article XV of Chapter 100 of the Southold Town Code, for a Change of Zone on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold, from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District, and WHEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations, and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Town Board, as lead agency, determined that the action proposed is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environment, and WHEREAS, the Town Clerk did file and circulate such determination as required by the aforementioned law, rules and code, and WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick did, upon request of the Town Board, cause to be prepared and filed a Draft Environmental Impact State- ment, all in accordance with said law, rules and code, and WHEREAS~ the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Nicholas Schick at the Southold Town Hall on August 9, 1983, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to speak, and Nicholas Schick was thereafter given the opportunity to submit responses to the public comments until August 19, 1983, and the public was given the opportunity to respond to those responses until August 29, 1983, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold does hereby determine that the action proposed is likely go have a significant effect on the environment, and be it further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk immediately notify the applicant, Nicholas Schick, of this determination, and further request said applicant to prepare a Final Environmental Impact Statement, all in accordance with said law~ rules and code, within sixty days from the date of this resolution. JUDITH T TERRY OFFICE OF TIlE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 1197l TELEPHONE (516) 7654801 September 22, 1983 Abigail Wickham, Attorney Wickham, Wickham & Bressler, P.C. Main Road Mattituck, New York 11952 Dear Gall: Enclosed herewith is a second "Notice of Significant Effect on the Environment" in connection with the Nicholas Schick petition for a Change of Zone, which determination was the subject of a Town Board resolution on September 20, 1983, copy of which is enclosed herewith. Mr. Schick is hereby requested to prepare a Final Environmental Impact Statement for submission within 60 days of the date of the resolution. Very truly yours~ Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Enclosures JUDITH T. TERRY TOWN CLERK REGISTRAR OF VITAL SIAIIST[CS OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED BY THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD AT A REGULAR MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 20, 1983: WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick has heretofore filed a petition with the Town Clerk~ pursuant to Article XV of Chapter 100 of the Southold Town Code~ for a Change of Zone on certain property at Orient~ in the Town of Southold, from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-i" General Multiple Residence District, and WHEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations, and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Town Board, as lead agency, determined that the action proposed is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environment, and WHEREAS~ the Town Clerk did file and circulate such determination as required by the aforementioned law~ rules and code, and WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick did, upon request of the Town Board, cause to be prepared and filed a Draft Environmental Impact State- ment, all in accordance with said laws rules and codes and WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Nicholas Schick at the Southold Town Hall on August 9, 1983~ at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to speak, and Nicholas Schick was thereafter given the opportunity to submit responses to the public comments until August 19s 1983, and the public was given the opportunity to respond to those responses until August 29, 1983, now, therefores be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold does hereby determine that the action proposed is likely go have a significant effect on the environment, and be it further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk immediately notify the applicant, Nicholas Schick, of this determination, and further request said applicant to prepare a Final Environmental Impact Statement, all in accordance with said law, rules and code, within sixty days from the date of this resolution. SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD PUBLIC HEARING AUGUST 9, 1983 8:10 P.M. IN THE MATTER OF HEARING ON THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT SUBMITTED BY NICHOLAS SCHICK IN CONNECTION WITH HIS APPLICARION FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM "A" RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO "M-I" GENERAL MULTIPLE RESIDENCE DISTRICT ON CERTAIN PROPERTY AT ORIENT, NEW YORK. Present: Supervisor William R. Pell, III Councilman John J. Nickles Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr. Councilman Francis J. Murphy Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr. Justice Raymond W. Edwards Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker SUPERVISOR PELL: This is a hearing on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement of Nicholas Schick by Abigail Wickham. Councilman Murdock will read the public notice. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: "Notice is hereby given that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing at 8:10 P.M., Tuesday, August 9, 1983, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Nicholas Schick, 392 Fifth Avenue, New York, New York in connection with his application for a Change of Zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, bounded North by Long Island Sound; East by land of the United States of America; South by Gardiner's Bay and lands of Hughes, Latham and Wysocki and Long Island Lighting Co.; West by "Lands End" subdivision. Applicant desires to develop a multiple residence concept containing condominium units, in conjunction with the relocation and restoration of the Orient Point Inn facility. SEQR lead agency is the Town of Southold. A copy of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement is on file in the office of the Town Clerk, Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, and is available for inspection during regular business hours. Dated: July 5, 1983, Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk." I have an affidavit of publication from the Suffolk Times and the Long Island Traveler-Watchman and affidavit from Judith T. Terry, Town Clerk that it was posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board. Page 2 - Public Hearl~g - Schick Draft EIS SUPERVISOR PELL~ Thank you. Does anyone present wish to speak in favor of this Draft Environmental Impact Statement of Nicholas Schick? ABIGAIL A. WICKHAM, ATTORNEY, Mattituck~ New York~ Thank you. As you know we filed a Draft Environmental Impact Statement at this point and the environmental impact statement pursuant to the SEQR Law addresses the environmental aspects of this project in detail. The law does not provide that this statement deal with zoning issues. Its purpose is to help this Board~as lead agency, make a determination that the project will not have a significant effect on the environment or will be consistent with other non-environmental policies and present an alternative method of development of the project which minimizes or avoids environmental impact~ which may be adverse. It addresses ways in which those impacts may be minimized or avoided in accordance with SEQR guidelines. We think it does completely address the issues and Mr. Bodwell, who coordinated its preparation, is here to answer questions deemed significant by the Board and I'd like him to stand up now and make a statement. SUPERVISOR PELL~ Mr. Bodwell. MS. WICKHAM~ I just wanted to add that the Board---for the people here--that the Board did send this impact statement for comment to a number of agencies. As I understands the only agency responding was the New York State Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs on Long Island. Mr. Bodwell has prepared~ and I'd like to submit for the records written coraments in a letter addressed to me regarding those comments. (Exhibit I - Letter from Russell S. Bodwell, Henderson and Bodwells 120 Express Street, Plainview, New York 11803~ dated June 14~ 1983, to Ms. Gail Wickham, Wickham~ Wickham and Bressler~ Main Road. P.O. Box 1424, Mattituck~ N.Y. 11952, Re~ Orient Point Draft Environmental Impact Statement (Comments of Mr. George Proios on behalf of the New York State Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs of Long Island.) SUPERVISOR PELL~ Mr. Bodwell. MR. RUSSELL S. BODWELL~ Henderson and Bodwell~ I will be brief. I'll just kind of highlight the purpose of this environmental impact statement~ which is to review all of the areas delineated in the SEQR procedures and to highlight the environmental impacts that the proposed project will have on these existing environmental conditions. In that connection I'm only the spokesman for about six or seven specialists that you have to have involved when you prepare a report of the type we prepared here. We had an archaeologists, geologists, hydrologists, particularly in the area of water supply~ sanitary engineers, the audubon society regarding the birds~ and we also had our landscape architect looking at the vegetation on the site. I might add that we have looked at the site supplementing the initial report and can still report that we have yet to identify any of the endangered species of plant life. We aren't too surprised at that in view of the fact that most of the site has been used for agricultural purposes, but I will just briefly summarize that the JUDITII T TERRY OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 NOTICE OF SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT Dated: September 20, 1983 Pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 o£ the Environmental Conservation Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations, and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Southold Town Board, as lead agency, upon receipt of a Draft Environmental Impact Statement, and public hearing on same, does hereby determine that the action described below is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environ- ment and has requested the filing of a Final Environmental Impact Statement. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION Petition of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold, New York. Further information can be obtained by contacting Mrs. Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York 11971. Copies to: David DeRidder, DEC, Stony Brook Commissioner Williams, DEC, Albany Southold Town Building Department Southold Town Planning Board Town Clerk's Bulletin Board Abigail Wickham, Attorney for Nicholas Schick JUDITH T TERRY OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 SouthoId, New York 11971 'IIELEPHONE (516) 765-1501 THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED BY THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD AT A REGULAR MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 20, 1983: WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick has heretofore filed a petition with the Town Clerk~ pursuant to Article XV of Chapter 100 of the Southold Town Code~ for a Change of Zone on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold~ from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District~ and WHEREAS~ pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations, and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code~ the Town Board, as lead agency~ determined that the action proposed is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environment, and WHEREAS~ the Town Clerk did file and circulate such determination as required by the aforementioned law~ rules and code, and WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick did, upon request of the Town Board, cause to be prepared and filed a Draft Environmental Impact State- ment~ ail in accordance with said law~ rules and code, and WHEREAS~ the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Nicholas Schick at the Southold Town Hail on August 9, 1983~ at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to speak, and Nicholas Schick was thereafter given the opportunity to submit responses to the public comments until August 19~ 1983, and the public was given the opportunity to respond to those responses until August 29, 1983, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold does hereby determine that the action proposed is likely go have a significant effect on the environment, and be it further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk immediately notify the applicant, Nicholas Schick, of this determination, and further request said applicant to prepare a Final Environmental Impact Statement, all in accordance with said law, rules and code, within sixty days from the date of this resolution. JUDITH T TERRY TOW~ CL[RK REGISTRAROI VITALSlXlISIICS OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 'IELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 September 22, 1983 Abigail Wickham, Attorney Wickham, Wickham & Bressler, P.C. Main Road Mattituck, New York 11952 Dear Jail: Enclosed herewith is a second "Notice of Significant Effect on the Environment" in connection with the Nicholas Schick petition for a Change of Zone, which determination was the subject of a Town Beard resolution on September 20, 1983~ copy of which is enclosed herewith. Mr. Schick is hereby requested to prepare a Final Environmental Impact Statement for submission within 60 days of the date of the resolution. Very truly yours, Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Enclosures JUDITII T. TERRY OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Soutlmld, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 NOTICE OF SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT Dated: September 20, 1983 Pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations~ and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code~ the Southold Town Board, as lead agency, upon receipt of a Draft Environmental Impact Statement, and public hearing on same, does hereby determine that the action described below is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environ- ment and has requested the filing of a Finai Environmental Impact Statement. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION Petition of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricaltural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold, New York. Further information can be obtained by contacting Mrs. Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk~ Southold Town Hall~ Main Road, Southold, New York 11971. Copies to: David DeRidder, DEC, Stony Brook Commissioner Williams, DEC, Albany Southold Town Building Department Southold Town Planning Board Town Clerk's Bulletin Board Abigail Wickham, Attorney for Nicholas Schick ,1 U DITH T. TERRY TOWN CLERK OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED BY THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD AT A REGULAR MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 20, 1983: WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick has heretofore filed a petition with the Town Clerk, pursuant to Article XV of Chapter 100 of the Southold Town Code, for a Change of Zone on certain property at Orient, in the Town of Southold, from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-i" General Multiple Residence District, and WHEREAS, pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, Part 617 of TitIe 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations, and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Town Board, as lead agency, determined that the action proposed is a Type I action and is likely to have a significant effect on the environment, and WHEREAS, the Town Clerk did file and circulate such determination as required by the aforementioned law, rules and code, and WHEREAS, Nicholas Schick did, upon request of the Town Board, cause to be prepared and filed a Draft Environmental Impact State- ment, all in accordance with said law, rules and code, and WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Nicholas Schick at the Southold Town Hall on August 9, 1983, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to speak, and Nicholas Schick was thereafter given the opportunity to submit responses to the public comments until August 19, 1983, and the public was given the opportunity to respond to those responses until August 29, 1983, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold does hereby determine that the action proposed is likely go have a significant effect on the environment, and be it further RESOLVED that the Town Clerk immediately notify the applicant, Nicholas Schick, of this determination, and further request said applicant to prepare a Final Environmental Impact Statement, all in accordance with said law, rules and code, within sixty days from the date of this resolution. SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD PUBLIC HEARING AUGUST 9, 1983 8:10 P.M. IN THE MATTER OF HEARING ON THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT SUBMITTED BY NICHOLAS SCHICK IN CONNECTION WITH HIS APPLICARION FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM "A" RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO "M-i" GENERAL MULTIPLE RESIDENCE DISTRICT ON CERTAIN PROPERTY AT ORIENT, NEW YORK. Present: Supervisor William R. Pell, III Counoilman John J. Nickles Councilman Lawrence Murdock, Jr. Councilman Francis J. Murphy Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr. Justice Raymond W. Edwards * * * Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker SUPERVISOR PELL: This is a hearing on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement of Nicholas Schick by Abigail Wickham. Councilman Murdock will read the public notice. COUNCILMAN MURDOCK: "Notice is hereby given that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing at 8:10 P.M., Tuesday, August 9, 1983, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Nicholas Schick, 392 Fifth Avenue, New York, New York in connection with his application for a Change of Zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" General Multiple Residence District on certain property at Orient, Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, bounded North by Long Island Sound; East by land of the United States of America; South by Gardiner's Bay and lands of Hughes, Latham and Wysocki and Long Island Lighting Co.; West by "Lands End" subdivision. Applicant desires to develop a multiple residence concept containing condominium units, in conjunction with the relocation and restoration of the Orient Point Inn facility. SEQR lead agency is the Town of Southold. A copy of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement is on file in the office of the Town Clerk, Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, and is available for inspection during regular business hours. Dated: July 5, 1983, Judith T. Terry, Southold Town Clerk." I have an affidavit of publication from the Suffolk Times and the Long Island Traveler-Watchman and affidavit from Judith T. Terry, Town Clerk that it was posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board. Page 2 - Public Hearl~lg - Schick Draft EIS SUPERVISOR PELL* Thank you. Does anyone present wish to speak in favor of this Draft Environmental Impact Statement of Nicholas Schick? ABIGAIL A. WICKHAM, ATTORNEY~ Mattituck~ New York~ Thank you. As you know we filed a Draft Environmental Impact Statement at this point and the environmental impact statement pursuant to the SEQR Law addresses the environmental aspects of this project in detail. The law does not provide that this statement deal with zoning issues. Its purpose is to help this Board~as lead agency, make a determination that the project will not have a significant effect on the environment or will be consistent with other non-environmental policies and present an alternative method of development of the project which minimizes or avoids environmental impact~ which may be adverse. It addresses ways in which those impacts may be minimized or avoided in accordance with SEQR guidelines. We think it does completely address the issues and Mr. Bodwell, who coordinated its preparation~ is here to answer questions deemed significant by the Board and I'd like him to stand up now and make a statement. SUPERVISOR PELL; Mr. Bodwell. MS. WICKHAM: I just wanted to add that the Board---for the people here--that the Board did send this impact statement for comment to a number of agencies. As I understand~ the only agency responding was the New York State Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs on Long Island. Mr. Bodwell has prepared~ and I'd like to submit for the record~ written comments in a letter addressed to me regarding those comments. (Exhibit I - Letter from Russell S. Bodwell, Henderson and Bodwell~ 120 Express Street, Plainview~ New York 11803, dated June 14~ 1983~ to Ms. Gail Wickham~ Wickham~ Wickham and Bressler, Main Road. P.O. Box 1424, Mattituck, N.Y. 11952~ Re; Orient Point Draft Environmental Impact Statement (Comments of Mr. George Proios on behalf of the New York State Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs of Long Island.) SUPERVISOR PELL: Mr. Bodwell. MR. RUSSELL S. BODWELL~ Henderson and Bodwell~ I will be brief. I'll just kind of highlight the purpose of this environmental impact statement, which is to review all of the areas delineated in the SEQR procedures and to highlight the environmental impacts that the proposed project will have on these existing environmental conditions. In that connection I'm only the spokesman for about six or seven specialists that you have to have involved when you prepare a report of the type we prepared here. We had an archaeologists, geologists, hydrologists, particularly in the area of water supply, sanitary engineers~ the audubon society regarding the birds, and we also had our landscape architect looking at the vegetation on the site. I might add that we have looked at the site supplementing the initial report and can still report that we have yet to identify any of the endangered species of plant life. We aren't too surprised at that in view of the fact that most of the site has been used for agricultural purposes~ but I will just briefly summarize that the Page 3 - Public Hear~g - Schick Draft EIS areas we've covered in this report~ geology and soils~ vegetations wildlife, archaeologys land uses site zoning~ water supply~ ground water hydrology, surface water hydrologys sewage disposals air quality~ noises traffic~ shoreline and erosion controls and given some brief statements regarding critical impactss impacts which cannot be avoided~ and development alternatives. The appendices cover the air quality, existing wildlife~ soil characteristicss water test results. I might add that three letters were received~ two from citizens and one from one of the regulatory agencies primarily concern themselves with water supply. Water supply on the site we have recognized from the inception as being critical. We have met the criteria imposed upon us by the state agencies~ which is to develop a water supply for the project where no water is mined off the project site. That means the entire water supply must come from within the project site, and that is why we have developed a system which we feel, while is unique for Long Islands is not unique either in the United States. I might add that one of the things that should be clearly understoods that the reverse osmosis system, which is the back-up system in case we excessively mine the water on the site and get salt water ±ntrusions is currently being used world-wide with over 200 million gallons of water being supplied with that process of which some thirty to forty percent of it is in the United States. It's a DuPont developed process and I feel that there's no reason for any major concern in the validity of the system. That basically suramarizes the remarks that I'd like to make at this point. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Ms. Wickham, anything else you want to say before we turn it over to the public? I'd like to remind you this is a hearing on this Draft Environmental Impact Statement that was prepared and presented to the Town Board. We will deal with environmental issues. Anybody wish to speak at this time and be heard we will recognize them. In the back of the room, Mrs. Ruth OliYa. MRS. RUTH OLIVA, President~ North Fork Environmental Council: We have read the Draft Environmental Impact Statement and the comments that were received against the project. We would strongly recommend to the Board to pay special attention to the comments made by the New York State Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs of Long Island and the comments of Dr. Terry concerning the water~ the traffic, and alternate uses of the property. I think what it all boils down to is if Southold Town wants to conduct an experiment, a big experiments and if it doesn't work who is going to be liable for it? Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mrs. Oliva. Mr. Walter Smith. PROFESSOR WALTER SMITH, Orients New York: I went through the report in my areas and I'd like to go over part of it and I think it may stand some correction. On page 2-3 it should be made very clear that the magothy and Lloyd formation of the North Forks differing from the Western Suffolk~ contains only brackish and salt waters so that cannot be considered as a fresh water source. It also states on page 2-15 the average rainfall is 45 inches per year. This is a figure available from the Cutchogue station. Page 4 - Public Hear~.g - Schick Draft EIS Orient Point averages about ten percent lower than Cutchogue. And as for Malcome Pernie Engineers, June 1967, this would reduce the yield to 720 gallons per day per acre. On 2-23 and 3-32, which are pages, which are pages of the report, the site may be 70 miles east of the monitoring station in Babylon, but we have right across the Sound many industrial complexes which can add things to the air quality that we perhaps don't like. But getting into my area, water supply and groundwater hydrology, they make a statement in their report that the minimum rainfall in the area was 27 inches. However, the East Marion records, which were done for a number of years, in 1965 it was reported a rainfall of 22.9 inches, which is much below 27. So we also would have to reduce the 60 to about 54 inches. Now they also speak about transporation, evaporation, and direct runoff from the annual rainfall amount of recharge. Now, they do not any way indicate the net lateral groundwater discharge from the peninsula into the sea, and this loses a considerable amount of water that's coming in for recharge. Now, with the figures supplied by them we have a range of 20,000 gallons per day to 33,000 per day in an average year. And again if we use their chart on page 3-14, with 14 inches of rain, we have an annual recharge of 16.6 million gallons per year. On page 315, they have their consumption use for the total project at 5.2 million gallons per year. In other words, according to them, as can be see by the above values, the consumptive use for the total project is 5.2 million gallons per year and the annual recharge for a drought year is nearly twice that amount. Now, if we were to take a little look at the literature you'll find out to minimize the effect of pumping and contributing to possible seawater encroach- ment is necessary to restrict the withdrawal to an amount substantially less than recharge. Now, Crandall, in 1963, Hoffman in 1961 both recommend that withdrawal should not exceed 30 percent of the annual accretion on the Southold Peninsula. Which means that 30 percent of 16.6 million gallons per year gives a deficit of 220,000 gallons per year. So we don't have enough water coming through recharge to keep the project going. Now on the reverse osmosis, looking at a number of figures the cost is about .614¢ per 100 gallons, with electricity at one cent per kilowatt and you can imagine what LILCO is charging more than that now. And these pumps are going to require a lot of maintenance. Every 18 months they require new seals and every five years they require new pumps. And for approximately every thousand gallons of feed water we're going to have 250 gallons to carry away the impurities. Now in their report they make the statement that one of the reasons for using this is the possible pesticides in the area. So that means the outfall pipe we're going to have a concentration of pesticides in the water. Now, warm effluent will be warmer than the water in the Sound and will attract fish and of course these fish will be ~icking up these pesticides and we will have another little problem. Also the sludge from the area, what's Southold going to do with that? Now, on the problem of traffic on 3-34, what we have across from this complex is the big Millstone nuclear reactor, which is a beaut, and they're building more on to that. Now, that thing has an accident--something goes wrong--how is the little two lane Route 25 going to take care of 120 units and a whole hotel full of people? Going to be a tremendous problem. Now, we also come to on 3-35, shoreline erosion, there may not be a major problem at present, but we do have a continued sea level rise so this could become a Page 5 - Public Hearl.,g - Schick Draft EIS major problem. Also stated on 2-7, the project has a maximum elevation of 16 feet. Now on September 21, 1938 we had a little blow and the tide was 11.7 feet above mean low water. So what will happen, the sewer plant, the water system, everything will be under many feet of water. In all probability the unit will have to declare bankruptcy and then the Town of Southold will have to take over. So that should be looked at very very closely. Also I don't think it's the province to change this so someone makes a profit. The area is zoned for a certain number of houses and if someone unfortunately paid a lot more money than perhaps they should have, that I have no knowledge of, then I don't think it's anybody's-- the Board's position to try and salvage their investment. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mr. Smith. Any other comments on this? MR. MARTIN TRENT, Orient: This projects intends to place 150 units on 40 acres and they're saying that this project of this size in Orient will only have a minimal impact on the environment and the community is absurd on its face, for all the reasons that are brought out. Contrary to what the consultant intimated about the water and sewage disposal, the project does not have Health Department approval for water supply or sewage disposal and he totally sort of skipped over the sewage disposal part. The project as proposed doesn't meet Heath Department minimum standards or density and exceeds maximum flow standards per day for the installation of individual cesspools, consequently a sewage treatment plant is going to be required. This means a major part of their proposal is already faulty, and what they're talking about is changing the character of Orient in this one swoop and I think the Town Board should think about that for a while. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mr. Trent. MR. PATRICK LYONS, Main Road, Orient: I'd like to address the noise, the air pollution and traffic areas of their Draft Environmental Impact Statement. The report, again bought and paid for by Mr. Schick, by talking about the existing conditions and I want to summarize some of those. It says the air quality is very good, as measured in Babylon. Sound disturbances from vehicular traffic is minimal and blends with normal background noise. I'm still yet to hear an insect or fish or an animal in Orient that goes zoom, zoom, zoom all the time, so I don't know if that's quite a normal background noise. Traffic they say when measured in '79 is 2,500 to 3,000 vehicle trips per day, which they say is about 20% of capacity. The report then tells us what the impact will be for the proposed development on 46 acres, that's 120 condominimum units, 30 units in the convention center, and a restaurant seating 150. The air quality will be, and I quote, "very slightly affected." Yet we have no data or methodology for measuring this effect. The noise level will slightly increase and is not expected to have any significant short or long term impact on the site. Again, no data, and I'm still not aware of a standard of measure in slightlys, is that two decibels, ten, or what? This increase may be true for the site, as they say, but what about the impact of the grossly increased traffic on the residents of Orient and East Marion, especially those who live on Main Road? As far as the traffic impact, the report continues with the correction of the traffic congestion at the Cross Sound Ferry, Page 6 - Public Hearing - Schick Draft EIS the development will have no detrimental impact or effect upon the existing traffic situation. I think Henderson and Bodwell should get the National Book Award for the best fiction writing in '83 for that one. Some of the small amount of data that they do cite is flawed as I see it. They say that the peak traffic is 3000 vehicle trips per day. They propose an increase of 900 which an additional 100 at peak. They say the increase total will be 3900. When I add 900 and 100 I get 1000, and that means 4000. I think they better change the batteries in their calculator. They further state that Main Road has a capacity to 13,000 to 17,000 vehicle trips a day, but how do they arrive at this figure? Probably by calculating the number of cars driving at 55 miles an hour over a ten mile roadway uninterrupted for 24 hours a day. A situation which is preposterous. Again I want to see in a supposedly factual report data to support their big generalities, but it's non-existent. Where is the new traffic study? Surely everyone knows that traffic is increasing since 1979, and why haven't they talked to others who would be impacted upon by the increase traffic, like Mr. Rich McMurray, I think that's his name, the general manager at the Cross Sound Ferry who I talked to today. Do they know that the Cross Sound Ferry has a new 80 car boat due in service very shortly, which will result in an almost 20 percent increase in ferry traffic to and from Orient? I calculate this by adding 31 car crossings on the eight average trips per day, this even subtracting the 22 car ferry which they expect to start to Montauk/New London service by next June. I obtained this information in a phone call today. Why didn't Henderson and Bodwell talk to these people? Surely this data will change their calculations. I submit that the Town Clerk charges $33.00 plus to Xerox the report and I submit that at one tenth of the price it's still a rip-off. Mr. Schick is interested in one thing, making money. He's not doing this project because he loves historic buildings, or because he lives or works in Orient or has any particular love for Southold Town. He's doing it to make money, but what it will cost all of us in a diminished quality of life, increased traffic, noise pollution, endangered water supply, strained emergency services and the like is not worth all the mon:ey he will make. I think it's unfair for him to ask all of us to become investors in his ill-conceived project. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Anybody else wish to be heard on this project? Ms. Wickham? MR. BODWELL: I would like to leave it tonight that we will respond in writing to the questions that were raised tonight. I would like to correct one thing to Mr. Lyons. When we talk about increased daily traffic of 900 and a peak hourly increase of 100, that's correct figures if you are used to traffic analysis. Independent traffic analysis was done on this project and made the projection of the 900 and 100 for the peak hourly increase. As far as the other items that were raised tonight, I think we're respond in writing. Thank you. SUPERVISOR PELL: Mrs. Jean Tiedke in the back, yes. Page 7 - Public Hear~_.g - Schick Draft EIS MRS. JEAN TIEDKE~ My only comment would be in regard to Draft Environmental Impact Statements. I'm quite familiar with DEIS's and EIS's. They are done by companies who are in business and I've yet to see one that has brought up any discrepancies which will indicate their project was less than perfect. You have to watch out. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. Councilmen, anything you'd like to ask? We will recess this meeting tonight until we receive the written reply from Ms. Wiekham's people. Any problems? COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Is there a specified date? SUPERVISOR PELL: How soon do you figure you would get them to us? MR. BODWELL: Within ten days. SUPERVISOR PELL: Ten days from today. COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: And that should be open to the public too, I would imagine. SUPERVISOR PELL: Town Attorney Tasker? TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Apparently the petitioner wants ten days to make the response to ~he statements made tonight, therefore, I think to be fair, I think that you should give some time to respond to their responses. Perhaps ten or fifteen days. MS. WICKHAM: I think the reason Mr. Bodwell needs time is because he is not the only person that prepared this statement. There are six or seven people, because there are all different aspects under consideration. We are the applicant, and I think it's up to the Board to evaluate it. If they have any problems with it they could address those issues in making their decision. TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Are you waiving your right then, your request to respond? MS. WICKHAM: No. TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I don't understand. You are here with your experts and statements have been made and you don't want to respond tonight and you're asking for time to respond in writing, and it would seem only fair that if you are seeking that and you are given that right, that also the other people should be given the right to respond to your comments. SUPERVISOR PELL: Gentlemen of the Board, I'd like to ask the Council- men this -- let's agree to accept all communications ~or the next 14 days and at the end of that time we can cut-off any input. Any problems, gentlemen? COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: What Bob is saying, in the interest of fairness, any comments that were made tonight would be given 14 days to respond to--for response to come in to any comments that were made tonight. Page 8 - Public Hear~.~g - Schick Draft EIS I'm sure, were you implying that we should give an additional 10 days for response to the response? TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Yes. SUPERVISOR PELL~ I am re£erring to giving the people--receive any comments from--- COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND~ I~m just trying to get what Bob was after. TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER~ The point was made that the applicant has requested~ after you were about to close the hearing, that he be given 10 days to respond in writihg to comments adverse to their environmental impact statement. And that's what got us into this question. And I only said that if he is seeking 10 days to respond in writing to comments made tonight, then I think it's only fair that the people who made the comments should have an opportanity to respond to this answers to their comments. This is getting a little lengthy, I know. COUNCILMAN NICKLES~ Maybe one way to shorten this up if we just recess this to the next Town Board meeting here in the Town Hall, at which time you can respond, and which time the people can respond to your response. MR. LYONS~ This environmental impact statement was supposed to be their conclusive argument, their document on this. It's a bunch of vague generalities, so that's the document they presented, then I think this project should be judged on that. We could go on forever. SUPERVISOR PELL: Gentlemen of the Board, we will accept any correspondence up until September 1st and at September 1st all correspondence will be cut off and we'll close the hearing. We'll accept written comments up until September 1st, at which time the hearing will be closed at that time. The written comments will come in addressed to the Town Clerk and she will distribute them to the Board. MR. ROBERT BERKS: How does one get a response time? If I understand the question, is that this group is going to their experts to rebutt the statements that have been made in objection to it. And the way you're proposing it, there's no organized time where people who made these statements can have the same time of expertise and research on their comments and as Mr. Tasker said, I think people should have that equal amount of response time. TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I think in fairness and some sort of orderliness, really this matter should be closed tonight, but the applicant has asked for time to respond to criticisms of their environmental impact statement and I think a definite time should--if you're going to give them that time to make written responses, then I think the other people should have equal amount of time to reply to those responses, otherwise you could just--I don't think it's fair otherwise. Anyone who wishes to make a written response supporting the environmental impact statement will have 10 days. Anyone who wishes to respond to those statements will have 10 days thereafter to respond. That's the way I think it should work. Page 9 - Public Hearl~g - Schick Draft EIS MRS. KATHLEEN LATHAM~ Orient: It seems to me that the people who are proposing this consider that they're ready to go ahead with it and we've gone through it all once and that's why I didn't want to speak again, but it seems to me now they're coming back and they're saying, okay, now we're ready to go ahead. If they're ready to go ahead, they should be re~dy to answer our questions now. They've made this study~ whatever it is, whether it's in favor of them or whatever~ they've made the study and the things that have been brought up haven't been new things, these things were all brought up before. Really~ traffic is great on that road before the new boat is in and before anyone else is building more houses down there. The water they said, they pump up the water~ it may get salty, but it's all right because they have a plant for it. But what about the neighbors, if they get salty water~ the neighbors get salty water too, and they don't have the plant~ they don't really want to go into this plan with their salty water. But I really think that the things is we've gone through all this and they prepared this statement and we come here again and you come here again and I think that it's time for you to speak out. Don't be mealy mouth, just speak out and tell us what are the answers to these questions. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you, Mrs. Latham. Mr. Berks. MR. ROBERT BERKS: I'd like to make a statement on the traffic. I'm no expert. I've not heard in any of the hearings any mention of the traffic happens with the employees of Plum Island when they go to work in the morning and the evening. Anyone who lives in Orient and anyone who has seen this endless slate that kills everything in its past, doesn't allow any automobiles to enter or leave any side streets, breaks all traffic rules, speeds through the speed zones, no traffic cops there to stop the situation and when this thing happens daily how is this statement--was that taken into consideration for the traffic situation? There are deers crossing. A friend of mine's care was demolished by a deer crossing. This is part of the traffic problem. I'm not an expert but these are things--nobody brought up this situation which is unique to this rural area. SUPERVISOR PELL: Thank you. I'm going to recess this meeting for the amount of time it takes to conduct the next public hearing. It might be five minutes, might be two, might be ten. COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Ms. Wickham is representing the next public hearing. SUPERVISOR PELL: We will take a five minute recess at this time (8:50 P.M.). Hearing reconvened at 8:52 P.M. SUPERVISOR PELL: We will go with suggested ten days for Mr. Schick to give us~ in writing~ his comments, which will be August 19th to be in the Town Clerk's Office. We will give an additional ten days for anybody who cares to review them and make additional written comments. They must be in the Town Clerk's Office by 4:00 P.M. on August 29th. Hearing closed. ~/ Judith T. Terry~f Southold Town Clerk RECE~V'7:D g 0 To~ CI~rk SeulheM NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATIVE COMMISSION ON WATER RESOURCE NEEDS OF LONG ISLAND August 26, 1983 Ms. Judith T. Terry Town Clerk Town of Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Dear Ms. Ter~l: Thank you for providing the Legislative ~ssion on Water P~source Needs of Long Island the opportunity to submit additional cc~ents on the proposed application of Nicholas Schick to construct a 120 unit condc~inium develo~nent at the extrsme end of the Orient Peninsula in Southold Town. Like our previous cor~nents, I ask that these be incorporated in the final environmental impact statement subject to public review. Before responding to several of the points raised in ~Ir. Bodwell's letter, I would like to reiterate the Cu~ssion's belief that considering the nature of the project and the very substantial freshwater limitations found on site, the proposal as suk~itted is ill-conceived and without prudence. In specific regard to Mr. Bodwell's cc~nts, I can say it is not I who appears to have but a rudimentary ccmprehension of the Ghyben-Herzberg principle when one looks at the simplistic, cartoonlike depiction contained in the D.E.I .S. prepared by Mr. Bodwell's firm. It is interesting to note that in the graphic it indicates that potable water is found beneath the site to a maxim%~n depth of about twelve fee~ not sc~e area approximating forty feet deep, as seems to be implied in ~W~r. Bodwell's letter. As I stated in my original letter, the Ghyben- Herzberg principle is a theorem and though valuable, does not often, if ever, reflect real world situations. Therefore, it is reasonable to pres~e a fresh- water lens that is less in thickness than the principle would dictate for the subject property. Concerning the impact the proposal would have on groundwater, I agree that it is highly unlikely the project would effect the quality of water elsewhere on Long Island- an individual only cursorily familiar with groundwater principles would know that. I never suggested that it would; my concern was over the adequacy and efficacy of the project for the project site ~d the pec~le who may reside there. Of course the proposal will generate other types of impacts besides groundwater concerns that most likely would have effects, perhaps significant ones, on regions nearby- to these I must defer for others to objectively determine. I note with great interest that Mr. Bodwell did not respond to my cu[,~nts concerning the adequacy of the Alternatives section. As I sai~ ~ I do not believe the consulting firm did a cc~lete and thorougD job in objectively discussing the respective alternatives. Is it not surprising that there was no discussion of a condominium project in accordance with the existing zoning, especially when such a proposal would have significantly less of an i~pact than the page 2 ~ ~tter to Ms. Terry proposal the D.E.I.S. goes to such great length to justify? I have two other points concerning this section. First, on page 5-2 of the D.E.I.S., third paragraph, it explains why standard A-Residence Zoning is undesirable because "this type of,~leve~.,o~ment results in greater ~ .r~ad length and pavement areas for both the roads and driveways, thereby generating a greater quantity of stor~water runoff". Yet it was my clear understanding that there was a desire to maximize runoff from impervious surfaces to hedge concerns about the adequacy of water quantity on the site. Second, on page 5-3, first paragraph, it says with respect to a Cluster Single-Family alternative "less area ef the site will r~nain in cc~mon open space". What I ask is cc~mred to what other alternative? Of all the scenarios discussed this one w(~ld preserve the most cc~mon open space, not less as stated. A last water quality concern which I have is that the D.E.I.S. indicates that the Reverse-Osmosis unit will be used to filter out any pesticides which exist on site, since the area was until recently in agriculture, hraere %~uld the pesticides go after being filtered? I presu~ae into either the Long Island Sound or into Gardiners Bay. I may have overlooked it but I did not see a~y discussion in the D.E.I.S. concerning the ultimate deposition of pestcide materials as a result of the Reverse-Osmosis treatment system. One final cc~m~nt, although outside the purview of the C~,l~,~ssion, I can't help but ask for Mr, Bodwell to elaborate on his con~aents on how a 120 unit sub- division on 46 acres (a de~nsity of more then 3 units per acre) will cause to becom~ available "greater diversity end potential habitat" for "all birds and small animals". Frc~ what basic ecological principle did Mr. Bodwell use to reach that seemingly dubious conclusion? Similarly, h~w will this project cause a "stronger ecosystem" than the reverting old field cc~m~mity to be developed. I hope these cc~ents are useful in elucidating further the Cc~mission's position relative to the project proposal as conceived for the site in question. Sin~cerely, t~ Co-Executive Director GP/bh ~outho~d Town Board Southo~d Town Hall ~outho~d, N.Y. August 28, 1983 Main Road Orient, N.Y. I am writing in response to the August 19, 1983 rebuttal sub- mitted by Henderson & Bodwell for the Orient Point ~ro~eet proposed by Nicholas Schick. I have read the environmenta~ impact statement originally submitted and the August 19th response to questions posed by citizens at the town meeting of August 9, 1983, and £ind both documents more than inadequate in honestly and ethically addressing the environmental impact of this project upon Orient. First,~in reference to the increased traffic that would be created by the Project, residents o£ Orient and East Marien atread~ ~ust endure three facilities, the ~lum Island ferry, the New London ferry, and the State Park, an~ the resultant tra£fic and noise that increases every year. Now, with the new larger New London ferry in service, we have even more out o£ town cars and trucks racing through town, often breaking the speed lim~a. Not only do the residents o£ Orient and East ~arion not see a dime in recompense from the fees charged by the public facilities, our ta× dollars indirectly help maintain the source of this traffic assault. ~e bottom line is that, no matter what the ~roposal may be, we do not want, need, or profit by more traffic on Main Road. The traffic study used by Henderson & Bodwell, I was incredu- lous ts discover, was done in 1979, almost four years ago. Since then, in Orient alone, at least two majo~ subdivisions have g~ne in complete with streets wider 'than ~ain Road, and at least ~bree more are in various stages of approval by the ~lanning Board. Even with the new two acre zoning in e£fect, there are hundreds of building sites that were pre~io~sly ap- proved in Orient that, i£ built on, could have d~sastrous results, not only in relation to traffic noise and air quality, but more importantly, in water quality as well. aq~i£er in Orient is an island unto itsel£. It is replen- T~e ished ~y rain and there is only a £inite amount down there to be tapped. A£ter talking with the Suf£olk County Department o£ Health i am convinced t~t any new construction in Orient has the potential o£ irreversibly damaging o~r water supply. ! ca~ only wonder how many class action su~ts may ce brought against Southold Town Board by owners 0f new subdivision building sites for approv- ing these subdivisions on an"as of righ~basis, without an ~ated Master Plan that included current water studies and an estimate of the impact of Town growth on water quality and supply. In resp.:ct to the Henderson & Bodwell proposal for avoiding water supply problems through the use of desalinization and the re~oval of fertilizers and pesticides as well with this system, i should point out that du~ing the last year I have been peripherally in- volved in financing a proposed desalinization project in California, and perhaps have a little more background in this area t~an some people might. When pressed, even engineers and manufacturers of reverse osmosis and electrodialysis desalters will admit they don't work everywhere or all the time, and are still not really cost effective unless cost is no object. A point in fact is Key West, 5'lorida, where residents pay about lC/gallon for water piped all the way down from Miami, costing the average household about ~70.O0 a month. And why do they pay so much for their water? Because it is actually cheaper to buy water from Miami at that price than it is to maintain and repair the desalinization plant they were dut'd into building a few years ago based on assuarances from the "experts" that it would work. As i see it, ?~. Schick's Orient Point Project, as well as all sub- divisions proposed in Orient and Southold Town are a similar bill of goods that I don't want to buy with the invariable increase in taxes that go historically with rapid uncontrolled growth that we are now experiencing here. It must be obvious to all concerned that this is a landmark decision for the Town Board, as approval of this zoning variance would constitute a major breach in the policy of Controllea and~ra~ional growth, setting a precedent for a flood of future zoning concessions that will most assuredly destroy what unspoiled natural ~e~utv and ~uality of life is left in Southo]d. What we have here now, %he wildlife, the saltmarshes, the unpol- luted bays that we scallop and fish in, the farmland and vineyards, make this a very s~,,~ .... 1 corner of the world that is unique, price- less and irreplacable, something we often forget or take for grated. 'We were duped once oy the slick sales talk from Union Carbide, whose management should have known the lethal potential of Temic. Now we are being asked to play the fool again and buy more slick sales talk from a developer. ~ am fed up with the vague and evasive answers provided by ~'~. ~cbick and his "experts" on how they can overcome the environmental problems inherent in this project. We shouldn't gamble with Orient'~ or Southold's future by making irresponsible concessions to Mr. ~chi~~ .~" an~ developer, enabling him to maximize his profits and walk away, leaving us with a potential Pandora's Box of environmental problems that could cost us, the taxpayers, millions of dollars to clean up later. It is an ill-conceived project that i urge you to reject. Doug WaL~nbdrn Edmond L. Papantonio Attorney at Law 45 Village Lane Orient, New York 11957 Phone (516) 323-2703 TOWN OF August 10, 1"83 Southold Town Board boutao=d, New York 11971 Dear Sirs: I wish to take issue with Henderson e Bodell's impact statement concerning Nicholas Schick's proposed development for Orient Point. A conclusion of the statement (as reported in the July lZ% 1983 issue of The Suffolk Times) that the proposed project and its attendant traffic would not unduly affect the noise level pushes aside the needs of the people in favor of development. As a l',lainRoad resident, I am sensitive to any increase in traffic on that road. The overwhel:~ing majority of edifices on i{ain Road from east of Oreenport to the l~oint are slngle family residences. This is the present :~onstituency to ,'.hich you owe your primary obligation ns elected ol ficials, not out-of-town speculators intent one.making ~ profit and leaving and not entrepreneurs intent on altering the character of Southold. Main Road is already adequately used; the impact statement's theoretical conclusion that Route 25 is not fully utilized preposterously implies that the best use for a road is maximum utilization. This insensitively ignores the reality that any increase in trafIic is noisy, po]~utin~ and dangerous. The final conclusion of the statement to the effect that failure to develop as ~roposed would pose economic hardship for the owner ignores the fact that Hr. Schick purchased ]and on specnlation knowing full well how it was zoned; his proposals are contrary to the 1.wa. of the Town and he is gambling that he can alter them for his own profit, hr. ~Jchick purch~sed farml~nd -- let him farm it. Very truly yours, Edmond L. Papantonio PATRICK E. lYONS 203 EAST 29th STREET NEW YORK, NY 10016 MAIN RO&D ORIEN~ NY ~'757 IltCEIVEO Aurm~t 98~ 19@C ,AUG 9 1983 To: 3'mt told Y >~ This is ,, res:~nu;~e to the :.dditionnl m~teri,1 su~z.,,,ed Henderson + Bec*well on August 17 for the Orient P~int Inn Project by :.ir. Nich~l~ a Shick. De'r 3irs: I h~.ve e; r ef,a!,~y reviewed tL, e materi:,ls su~.mztted :rd I still fxn~ thc~,,,h~llv~'-_~%c:e' t~:~te in fully ~¢,,:re~azn, tho ,otenti I environmental in,Ir.ct of this project ,u~ Orient. The ,tr~fZic study -., a ¢!one in November of 1979, ollRost four ye rs aqo. This ~,- ~rior to 3 Major :Jubdivisions in Oriont~ (Hillcre;t '~;st'tes, ~randview and the Thayer project~ and 01d 0rob,rd F.~rns), ~rior to tm increased Cros::-'$ound F~rry tr,£fic~ prior to tim Cleaves Point eondominiums~ all the new constructi'm on St~r~ '{o~d in g st M~trion ~,nd ~uore. This project eou!! not it ye been loc ted on i/ mare fr [rile, nero ootenti:~!ly disasterous site. It ia at the f r en~t of the only :~e ns of ,ece,~s for the two h, unl ts at the tip of this islm4~ . .. anythiml that ~a,~)]~ena at the site will definitely iap;,.ct on everyone to the west of th,t site. The incre ~ed noi:~e fr 'n hea~]y constrtmtim vehicles~ excess[v) '.~o~ r ~:~ ~ -'~::co L3 the roadway~ potenti~l 4~ ma~e ~nd danger Lo all the econo, ants of ~esiJ~ences along Main ~o~,d~ a,nd the sustained incre ~se of traffic when the site is fully develope(l~ are s, ll intolera}~le burthens to ~e b]rne by hundreds of ex[stihl resilient s ~%nd Je h~ve he~rd countle ~s hours of teztimony and ~rmy letters ~ointiu' to the un:~il'~%'ereP~ ~uestiens or to the va~ue ~n~l eva,sire selu%idns for the kno~m ?)roblems to sufi'icently est;blish very serious Joubt -,b~ut the wisdom of a~provin~[ this project. I i~plore Zou~ /he ~nenbers of the To~m Doar&~ to listen to the overwhelm[n% voice ~,~f the rc~i<]e~ts of Orient ~nd Smtho!d Tram ~nd reject thls ill-conceived~ potentially disgsterous scheme by Mr. ,~hick~ knmm ns 6he Orient Point Inn Project, ;Ce s9 ec~ ~,~,~.) nit t ed~ August 25, 1983 AUG 9 REC'D SouthoId Town Planninz >lain Road Southold, New York Board Dear Sirs: I wish to adj my voice to tt}e many who have alreadv spoken against the Schick condominium plan at Orient Point. Hy husband and ! bought a house in Orient 4~ years ago. is hard to describe the joy we have derived from our old house, the Village, the farms, the marshes and the sea. To fi~ such a unique combination of zhe best and mosZ beautiful of na5ure and of nan in so small a land mass as Orient--this was a most blessed gift. Perhaps this small area can tRerate further development, but ffr:)m conversations with real estate brokers, I u~ldersEa~td ~'~r~ is very little land along the Sound in Orient that is unsold. This means, with certainty, several hundred nones over the next years. Then, how long for the farmland to ~ndroma~s, ~}as sEa~ons, del~s. Where will ~E end? "~ ~" ,d ll be needed. Precedents w~ll be se~. How w~ll you seen R am nee an exp~rt on air., weter, or noise pollution, bn~ nyone who h~s iivem on the ~a~n Road knows traffic has become unbearable. Even without developments. Increases of ferry trips; ~ndeed, ferries that grow ever larger, media promotion, inflation have all conspired to briag the pilgrims to the promised land, There used to be, perhaps, two big trucks nassinG by daily. Sunday, there were at least a dozen eighteen- Qheelers. The speed limit on RE. 25, a 2-lane country road, outside my home, is the same as on the Long Island Expressway~ Early.las~ fall we biked with our children along farm roads atop Che sound bluff to the Point. The bright blue sky held whihe cloud puffs and the full tide gently f~ashed the pebbles on the shore. The air was sweet and clear. Of course, we were trespassers. Ail the roads we biked were private property. Still, we came to view one of the ends of America. (We bent not one blade of grass.) It was once proposed that the land at the Point be purchased for the nubl~c, but there seemed little h~terest at the time. it is not nco late to correct that lack of foresight. This land, this vista, this end of America belongs to the public. This land shou4d be available for quiet recreation -- for biking and fishing and for just plain sitting and looking. On hot sum~ner days, there is often a line of cars waiting to qet into the ~ta~ Park--a place of rest nnd recreation and spiritual renewal fpr ~amilies and friends. 2e need these places. >!F. Schlck~ land should be such a place. Ver~truly yours, P. O. ~ox 214 Qr~ en~, N.Y. ~1957 ,AUG ?rom: Walter L. Smith Bo× ?54 Orient, New York ]2~-2669 11957 August 26, 1985 Subject: Henderson and Bodwell Orient Point Draft Environmental Impact Statement. Reply to the reply of Henderson and Bodwell to my statements, made at the hearing of August 9, 1985. I This was an information statement, to clarify their statements. II 2-215: The illustration attached, shows that annual rainfall at the measurin~ site(Cutchogue} is i~Z less at Orient Point. It is not a question of the total at the measuring station, but the meteorological characteristic of Long Island that establishes this reduction. Attached is the rainfall records for the East Marion well field. This indicates a minimum rainfall of 22.59 in I965. This is much lower than the minimum amount stated in the report. No reply was made to the effect of lateral outflow into the sea, which represents a considerable loss of fresh water. My statement of 30~ was the amoSnt of fresh water that could be safely t~ken from the aquifer. Even lf~use their incorrect flgu~ of ~ inches, there would be an annual~echarge of 16,000,000 gallons. Also according to their figu%s the project will use 5,200,000 gallons per year. Attached are the quotes of Hoffman and Crandell, which recommend that only 3~ of the recharge be used. This means that only 30~o of the 16,000,000 gallons of water be used. So, instead of a surplus we have a deficit. III Reverse Osmosis -a cost evualation is attached. The effluent of this system must go smewhere.. This system will produce about 250 gallons of effluent for for every 1,000 gallons of water treated. According to the draft statement, one of the reasons for this system is to remove nitrogenous compouns and pesticides. The effluent containing concentrations of these materials, could have a profound effect on local marine life. Walter L. Smith Crandell [3] and Hoffman [7], not exceed 30 per cent of the peninsula. / · -~ ~¥ recommended that withdrawal should annual accretion on the Southold To minimize the effect of pumping in contributing to pos- sible sea water encroachment, it is necessary to restrict the withdrawal to an amount substantially less than the recharge. EAST MARION WELL FIELD 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 2965 1966 J'~nuaPy F,-Uraary !.i::y July AL~¥NS¥ S ,p~ ember 0 2.98 2.74 5.55 3.12 2~.46 1.1., 3.09 5.90 3-S3 3.~5 3.06 1.75 4.22 2.56 3.~15 2.h7 1. ~2~_, 2.21 2.70 8.25 3.62} .%7 6.11 3,42 1.71 2.8~ 5.52 1.18 3.85 1.30 1.99 6.55 ~.75 2.00 ~.~5 4.35 ~.56 ~.46 6.8a 2.09 .62 2.68 ~.29 2.37 -95 1.10 4.10 5.42 2.96 0.82 2.13 1.92 9.57 9.89 1.87 2.12 3.27 1.62 4.86 3.21 2.9~ 5.01 .13 5.10 2.05 3.28 3.20 3.46 5.33 5.84 2.71 1.41 3.70 3.94 2.92 1.90 2.~6 5.37 1.02 3.16 i' ~ /~5.74 51.96 ~0.98 34.49 ~1.14 22.59 36.47 - - ECONOMIC ANALYSIS The following table shows the net capital cost and operating costs for typical SYSTEM J 0SM0-825-43 0SM0-4290-43 0SM0-10230-43 Permeate Rate t 29,000 gpd 72,000 gpd 173,000 gpd (20 gpm) (50 gpm) (120 gpm) Nat Capital Cost (Note 1) $20,500 $29,000 $45,000 Approximate Size 18'Lx6'Hx2'W 2t'Lx6'Hx3'W 21'Lx6'Hx6'W OPERATING COSTS PER 1000 GALLONS OF PERMEATE Electricity (Note 2) $0.125 $0,092 S0.078 Water Cost (Note 3) 0.167 0.167 0.167 Membrane Replacement 0.193 0.180 0.166 (Note 4) System Maintenance (Note 5) 0.147 0,080 0.042 Pump Reconditioning 0.040 0.020 0.011 (Note 6) Total Cost per 1000 Gal. $0.747 S0.614 $0.539 ~ote 1. Capital cost is cost of system less operating cost items that are expensed. ~lote 2, Cost of electricity is based on f ~ per KWH. ~lote 3. Water and sewer cost is taken at S0.50/1000 gallons. Systems operate et 75% recovery. That is, for 1000 gallons of feed water.750 gallons of product water wilt be produced while 250 gallons is used to carry away concentrated impurities. This concentrate is similar to the blowdown of a distillation system or the backwash and regeneration water for deion~zers. On waste treatment this cost should be omitted. Jote 4, Module replacement is based on a module life of 3 years, Jote 5. Based on completing daily Icg sheet, filter cartridge replacement and general maintenance at a cost of Sa.00/hr, 25 micron filtration ~s used. ~lote 6. Centrifugal pumps are used. Costs assume that the pump seals are re placed at 18 months and that the pump is replaced at 5 years, ,tote 7. if alkalinity concentration is excessive, acid feed is used to prevent pre~ cipitation. Costs assume feed has 100 ppm alkalinity. AP-214 at 5 ppm and monthly C-S clean is assumed. Southold Town Board Town Clerk Southold, NY 11971 Route 25 Orient, NY 11957 23 August 1983 Dear Sirs: I have read the consultants' lettersresponding to comments on the "Draft Environmental Impact Statement" for the proposed Schick devel- opment at Orient Folnt. In general I would have to say that they are considerably less responsive to specific comments than should be ex- pected under the SEQRA Law. Important comments regarding the Draft Statement are either completely ignored or addressed only by repeat- ing the earlier claims. Lacking any reference to supporting evidence~ such claims become mere statements of consultants' opinions, which would hardly be expected to be unbiased. Specific comments on the response letters are as follows: Henderson & Bodwell letter p 1 - the statement that commuter traffic to existing installa- tions will be "counter cyclic"to project traffic seems inconsistent with statements in the Barkan & Mess (traffic consultants) letter. recharge estimates are still not conservative in that they ignore shoreline losses of fresh water. Criticism of Smith's rainfall data for age is irrelevant. p 2 - soil conditions in the Caribbean islands are so different as to give essentially no useful information. it is unreasonable to assume only an ideal resident popu- lation in the project, thus justifying a claim of tax "gain". Actual experience shows that such claims are rarely fulfilled once the project is built. They are merely the standard developer's "hype". - It remains true that Orient air quality is not revealed by Babylon data. %%~y not New York city? the claim that wildlife habitat will be improved by the project seems to be an unsubstantiated opinion, presumably that of the engineer who signed the letter. An engineer?? the predicted high costs of water supply and sewage sys- tem maintenance could conceivably be covered by special charges. If they become excessive, however, a repeat of Mattituck's experience with the Captain Kidd Water Company is only too likely. the statement that there will be "absolutely no effect upon the water resources of Long Island generally or upon any area on Orient Point, other than the area (of the project).." can only be unsupported opinion. Competent authorities have disagreed on this point. It is easy to foresee situations arising in the operation of this complex system in which either fresh water will be drained from the lens underlying adjacent properties (which are not equipped for reverse os- mosis) or a subsurface flow of salt and/or contaminated effluent water will enter that (very thin and vulnerable) lens. To deny this possibility, with no unbiased expert evidences is unconvincing. p 3 - no 72 hr test can be expected to duplicate the conditions of continuous long-term use. p 4 - the presence of an effluent "hydrostatic head around the periphery" can only increase the rate of shoreline seep- age, diminishing the project supply, and the li~ihood of neighbor well contamination~ not to mention any in-proj- ect contamination problems. Barkan & Mess letter - These traffic consultants still appear unwilling to face the fact, presented in the Hearing and by letters, that the signif- icant traffic issue is peak hour traffic, not the annual aver- age. Route 25 is, for several miles beyond the immediate project area, a curving (not straight) road with long s~tches of double yellow line (no passing). They continue to rely on old data and to ignore the imminent large expansion of ferry traffic which your Board has already approved and partially financed. They choose to also ignore the issues of emergency traffic access and of emergency egress in case of a Millstone nuclear plant failure. The statistical chances of such a failure are three times what they are at Sboreham (three units) and the distance is essentially the same as the minimum evacuation radius around Shoreham. Peak hour congestion is very real now~ without the increases already inevitable. In this situation annual averages mean nothing. It seems quite clear that, as stated in the Proios letter, Orient Point is close to being the worst possible site for multiple housing in Southold Town. The objections to this site are the most fundamental possible -- insufficient water and inadequate access. The water supply and sewage disposal plan is, contrary to applicant's claims, completely untried. Reverse osmosis is not the only issue. If there were some over-riding and substantial public benefit to be expected from the project this might justify, in part at least, the risks involved. In fact there is no such benefit, to the Town as a whole or to anyone beside the developer. These risks are not justified. Sincerely~ O.W.Terry, Ph.D. Ecologist ECONOMIC ANALYSIS The following table shows the net capital cost and operating costs for typical Osmonics' reverse osmosis systems operatl~]g on water with the -92 membrane. SYSTEM OSMO-825-43 OSMO-4290-43 OSMO-10230-43 Permeate Rate 29,000 gpd 72,000 gpd 173,000 gpd (20 gpm) (50 gpm) (120 gpm) Net Capital Cost (Note 1) $20,500 $29,000 $45,000 Approximate Size 18'Lx6'Hx2'W 21'Lx6'Hx3'W 21'Lx6'Hx6'W OPERATING COSTS PER 1000 GALLONS OF PERMEATE Electricity (Note 2) $0.125 Water Cost (Note 3) 0.167 Membrane Replacement (Note 4) 0.193 System Maintenance (Note 5) 0.147 Pump Reconditioning (Note 6) 0.040 Chemical Feed (Note 7) 0.075 Total Cost per 1000 Gal. $0.747 $0.092 $0.078 0.167 0.167 0.180 0.166 0.080 0.042 O.O20 0.011 0.075 0.075 $0.614 $0.539 ~Jote 1. Capital cost is cost of system less operating cost items that are expensed. ~lote 2. Cost of electricity is based on f ~ per KWH. ~lote 3. Water and sewer cost is taken at $0.50/1000 gallons. Systems operate at 75% recovery. That is, for 1000 gallons of feed water,750 gallons of product water will be produced while 250 gallons is used to carry away concentrated impurities. This concentrate is similar to the blowdown of a distillation system or the backwash and regeneration water for deionizers. On waste treatment this cost should be omitted. ~lote 4. Module replacement is based on a module life of 3 years. ~oteS. Based on completing daily log sheet, filter cartridge replacement and general maintenance at a cost of $8.00/hr. 25 micron filtration is used. Jote6. Centrifugal pumps are used. Costs assume that the pump seals are re- placed at 18 months and that the pump is replaced at 5 years. ,lore 7. If alkalinity concentration is excessive, acid feed is used to prevent pre cipitation. Costs assume feed has f00 ppm alkalinity. AP 214 at 5 ppm and monthly C-S clean is assumed. Southold Town Board Town Clerk Southold, NY 11971 Route 25 Orient, NY 11957 23 August 1983 Dear Sirs: I have read the consultants' lettersrespondin9 to comments on The "Draft Environmental I~pact STatement" for the proposed Schick devel- opment at Orient Point. In general I would have to say That they are considerably less responsive to specific comments Than should be pected under The SEQRA Law. Important comments regarding the Draft Statement are either completely ignored or addressed only by repeat- lng The earlier claims. Lacking any reference to supporting evidence~ such claims become mere statements of consultants' opinions, which would hardly be expected to be unbiased. Specific comments on the response letters are as follows: Henderson & Bodwell letter - p 1 the statement that commuter traffic to existing installa- tions will be "counter cyclic"to UfojeCt traffic seems inconsistent with statements in the Barkan & Mess (traffic consultants) letter. recharge estimates are still not conservative in that they ignore shoreline losses of fresh water. Criticism of Smith's rainfall data for age is irrelevant. p 2 - soil conditions in The caribbean islands are so different as to give essentially no useful information. it is unreasonable to assume only an ideal resident popu- lation in The project, Thus justifying a claim of %ax "gain". Actual experience shows That such claims are rarely fulfilled once the project is built. They are merely The standard developer's "hype". - It remains true that Orient air quality is not revealed by Babylon data. ~y not New York City? the claim that wildlife habitat will be improved by the project seems to be an unsubstantiated opinion, presumably that of the engineer who signed the letter. An engineer?? the predicted high costs of water supply and sewage sys- tem maintenance could conceivably be covered by special charges. If they become excessive, however, a repeat of Mattituck's experience with the Captain Kidd Water Company is only too likely. the statement that there will be "absolutely no effect upon the water resources of Long Island generally or upon any area on Orient Point, other than the area (of the project).." can only be unsupported opinion. Competent authorities have disagreed on this point. It is easy to foresee situations arising in the operation of this complex system in which either fresh water will be drained from the lens underlying adjacent properties (which are not equipped for reverse os- mosis) or a subsurface flow of salt and/or contaminated effluent water will enter that (very thin and vulnerable) lens. To deny this possibility, with no unbiased expert evidence, is unconvincing. p 3 - no 72 hr test can be expected to duplicate the conditions of continuous long-term use. p 4 - the presence of an effluent "hydrostatic head around the periphery" can only increase the rate of shoreline seep- age, diminishing the project supply, and the li~lihood of neighbor well contamination~ not to mention any in-proj- ect contamination problems. Barkan & Mess letter - These traffic consultants still appear unwilling to face the fact, presented in the Hearing and by letters, that the signif- icant traffic issue is peak hour traffic~ not the annual aver- age. Route 25 is, for several miles beyond the immediate project area, a curving (not straight) road with long s~zetches of double yellow line (no passing). They continue to rely on old data and to ignore the imminent large expansion of ferry traffic which your Board has already approved and partially financed. They choose to also ignore the issues of emergency traffic access and of emergency egress in case of a Millstone nuclear plant failure. The etatistical chances of such a failure are three times what they are at Shoreham (three units) and the distance is essentially the same as the minimum evacuation radius around Shoreham. Peak hour congestion is very real now~ without the increases already inevitable. In this situation annual averages mean nothing. It seems quite clear that, as stated in the Proios letter, ~ Orient Point is close to being the worst possible site for multiple housing in Southold Town. The objections to this site are the most fundamental possible -- insufficient water and inadequate access. The water supply and sewage disposal plan is, contrary to applicant's claims, completely untried. ~everse osmosis is not the only issue. If there were some over-riding and substantial public benefit to be expected from the project this might justify, in part at least, the risks involved. In fact there is no such benefit, to the Town as a whole or to anyone beside the developer. These risks are not justified. Sincerely, O.l~.Terry, Ph.D. Ecologist JUDITH T TERRY TOWN CLERK REGISTRAR OI' VITAL SI \IISI[CS OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 August 24, 1983 Mr. George Proios Co-Executive Director New York State Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs on Long Island State Office Building Hauppauge~ New York 11787 Dear Mr. Proios: As a result of the public hearing held by the Southold Town Board on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement submitted in the matter of the application of Nicholas Schick for a change of zone at Orient Points I a m enclosing herewith the response to correspondence and comments received by the Town Board at the public hearing. The Town Board allowed Schick to submit a response by August 19th~ and the public may submit comments on the response by August 29th. Very truly yours~ Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Enclosure W[CKHAM~ WICI<HAM ~ BI~ESSLER, RECEIVEI~ August 19, 1983 Town Clerk Town Hall Main Road Southold ~ N.Y. 11971 Re: Nicholas Schick Gentlemen: Enclosed are the following for applicant's submission in connection with the draft of Environmental Impact Statement: a) Russell S. Bodwell's Memo dated August 17th b) Russell S. Bodwell's June 14th letter c) Traffic Report Sincerely yours, Abigail 2. Wickham AAW: ab Encs. HENDERSONANDBODWELL RECEIVED :hUG 1 9 1983 DATE: AUGUST 17, 1983 PAGE: 1 OF 4 FROM: RUSSELL S. BODWELL TO: MEMO OF RECORD RE: ORIENT POINT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND RESPONSE TO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM TOWN BOARD OF SOUTHOLD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HELD AT MEETING BEFORE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 9, 1983 July 27, 1983 letter from Orville Terry. His initial comments regarding the ferry traffic and the use of Route 24 have been related to in the traffic survey previously supplied to the Municipality. Both the comments of this writer and that of Pat Lyons, who was a speaker on August 9th, relative to traffic and noise, apparently are unable to differentiate the noise with the ferry terminal from the proposed use of the site which is primarily passenger vehicles. We all must recognize that heavy truck traffic have levels of noise 4 to 5 times more intense than passenger traffic, and therefore, have a greater degree of sensitivity to local residents. We should comment that the commuter traffic to the U.S. Department of Agriculture Terminal and some of the other traffic going to fishing stations and marinas will be counter-cyclic to the traffic to and from the project. We obtained our information on beach accretion from the Soils Conservation Service which is a long term survey and the National Shoreline Survey study is not as site specific. On the estimates of rainwater recharge, we have attempted to highlight two factors that will increase the underground storage and reduce the loss due to usage. Providing infiltration drainage ditches alongside paved areas and direct underground discharge from rooftops maximizes the recharge which will migrate towards the infiltration gallery. Placing the treatment systems for sanitary waste between the recharge areas and the shore maximizes the buildup of groundwater by creating barriers and, at the same time, reducies the natural underground loss. All computations must be recognized as being approximate, and we computed recharge potential using only 60% of the site so as to be conservative. HENDERSON AND BODWELL DATE: AUGUST 17, 1983 PAGE: 2 OF 4 RE: ORIENT POINT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND RESPONSE TO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM TOWN BOARD OF SOUTHOLD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HELD AT MEETING BEFORE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 9, 1983 It is reasonable to assume that the water availability will be increased when recharge systems are built into the peripheral areas of the pavement and leaching structures installed to pick up roof discharges. Such systems have been used for approximately two centuries in the Carribean. The proposed reverse osmosis system is a proven technique and is recommended as an alternate solution for the Southold Water Supply problem by consultants recently engaged by the County. The question of tax revenues from such a project being adequate to cover the cost of services should be evident from the fact that units will have no significant permanent school population, require very little police and other public services, and should be beneficial to the community. Without detailed breakdowns, an increase in revenue of $600,000 to $750,000 per year should be available for the school budget alone. Referring to Janice Robertson's letter of August 8th, again she raised questions on the adequacy of the system proposed, which is answered in the prior letter filed on the night of the hearing. As far as birds and wildlife, while some potential exists for disruption of various breeds during construction, it has been the experience of the writer that with the variety of plantings and vegetation that can be placed on this site, and the fact that it currently is an abandoned agricultural field, greater diversity and potential habitat for all birds and small animals will become available. A stronger ecosystem will develop than that now existing. Ruth Oliver, in her statements on August 9th primarily related to the three subjects: water, traffic, and alternate uses of the property, we believe that the report and the comments above relate to these items. HENDERSON AND BODWELL DATE: AUGUST 17, 1983 PAGE: 3 OF 4 RE: ORIENT POINT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND RESPONSE TO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM TOWN BOARD OF SOUTHOLD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HELD AT MEETING BEFORE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 9, 1983 Walter Smith, in his statements, highlighted on page two and three, the Magothy was brackish and salty in the vicinity of the site and this is recognized in the report. The report sections on Hydrology and Drawdown Tests do not refer to the Magothy. On page 2-215, he questions the annual rainfall of 45 inches when a prior report in 1947 reduced this 10%. I believe more recent data on which our 45" figure was based, is the accepted norm for this area and not 36 year old data. On pages 2-243 and 2-232, questions were raised relative to the air quality primarily due to the question of industry located in Connecticut. We think a judicious application of common sense by the residents in the area, will recognize that air quality in Orient Point is better than the reference points used in the report at Babylon. In regard to Walter Smith's questions on the water supply, he raised a question relative to the minimum 27" versus the East Marion recording at 23" minimum rainfall in a drought year. He also referred to the Malcolm Pirnie report with a 30% recharge figure. Our design proposes to significantly increase the recharge using a system of storm drainage collection and recharge. He also raised the question of reverse osmosis having a high capital cost (fixed charges) during operation, which would be free if construction costs were capitalized and this became part of the annual operating costs. In this case, however, the system capital cost will be absorbed in the development cost of the project. The water supply annual operating cost is projected to run $300 to $350 per unit if the total number of units requested is constructed. An inference was made that the systems, if they fail, could become a cost to the community. This could be adequately protected in Covenants and Restrictions written into the by-laws, thus making all costs for repairs and maintenance a responsibility of the Association. WICKHAM, WICKHAM & BF~ESSLER, ~.c. RECEIVEI~ ~ Dot, m, ~'~-~-~ August 19, 1983 Town Clerk Town Hall Main Road Southold, N.Y. 11971 Re: Nicholas Schick Gentlemen: Enclosed are the following for applicant's submission in connection with the draft of Environmental Impact Statement: a) Russell S. b) Russell S. c) Traffic Report AAW:ab Encs. Bodwell's Memo dated August 17th Bodwell's June 14th letter Sincerely yours, Aolgail ~. Wickham HENDERSON AND BODWELL R ,C:EIVED 1 9 1983 rove cta DATE: AUGUST 17, 1983 PAGE: 1 OF 4 FROM: RUSSELL S. BODWELL TO: MEMO OF RECORD RE: ORIENT POINT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND RESPONSE TO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM TOWN BOARD OF SOUTHOLD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HELD AT MEETING BEFORE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 9, 1983 July 27, 1983 letter from Orville Terry. His initial comments regarding the ferry traffic and the use of Route 24 have been related to in the traffic survey previously supplied to the Municipality. Both the comments of this writer and that of Pat Lyons, who was a speaker on August 9th, relative to traffic and noise, apparently are unable to differentiate the noise with the ferry terminal from the proposed use of the site which is primarily passenger vehicles. We all must recognize that heavy truck traffic have levels of noise 4 to 5 times more intense than passenger traffic, and therefore, have a greater degree of sensitivity to local residents. We should comment that the commuter traffic to the U.S. Department of Agriculture Terminal and some of the other traffic going to fishing stations and marinas will be counter-cyclic to the traffic to and from the project. We obtained our information on beach accretion from the Soils Conservation Service which is a long term survey and the National Shoreline Survey study is not as site specific. On the estimates of rainwater recharge, we have attempted to highlight two factors that will increase the underground storage and reduce the loss due to usage. Providing infiltration drainage ditches alongside paved areas and direct underground discharge from rooftops maximizes the recharge which will migrate towards the infiltration gallery. Placing the treatment systems for sanitary waste between the recharge areas and the shore maximizes the buildup of groundwater by creating barriers and, at the same time, reducies the natural underground loss. All computations must be recognized as being approximate, and we computed recharge potential using only 60% of the site so as to be conservative. HENDERSON AND BODWELL DATE: AUGUST 17, 1983 PAGE: 2 OF 4 RE: ORIENT POINT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND RESPONSE TO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM TOWN BOARD OF SOUTHOLD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HELD AT MEETING BEFORE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 9, 1983 ............................................................. It is reasonable to assume that the water availability will be increased when recharge systems are built into the peripheral areas of the pavement and leaching structures installed to pick up roof discharges. Such systems have been used for approximately two centuries in the Carribean. The proposed reverse osmosis system is a proven technique and is recommended as an alternate solution for the Southold Water Supply problem by consultants recently engaged by the County. The question of tax revenues from such a project being adequate to cover the cost of services should be evident from the fact that units will have no significant permanent school population, require very little police and other public services, and should be beneficial to the community. Without detailed breakdowns, an increase in revenue of $600,000 to $750,000 per year should be available for the school budget alone. Referring to Janice Robertson's letter of August 8th, again she raised questions on the adequacy of the system proposed, which is answered in the prior letter filed on the night of the hearing. As far as birds and wildlife, while some potential exists for disruption of various breeds during construction, it has been the experience of the writer that with the variety of plantings and vegetation that can be placed on this site, and the fact that it currently is an abandoned agricultural field, greater diversity and potential habitat for all birds and small animals will become available. A stronger ecosystem will develop than that now existing. Ruth Oliver, in her statements on August 9th primarily related to the three subjects: water, traffic, and alternate uses of the property, we believe that the report and the comments above relate to these items. HENDERSON AND BODWELL DATE: AUGUST 17, 1983 PAGE: 3 OF 4 RE: ORIENT POINT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND RESPONSE TO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM TOWN BOARD OF SOUTHOLD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HELD AT MEETING BEFORE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 9, 1983 Walter Smith, in his statements, highlighted on page two and three, the Magothy was brackish and salty in the vicinity of the site and this is recognized in the report. The report sections on Hydrology and Drawdown Tests do not refer to the Magothy. On page 2-215, he questions the annual rainfall of 45 inches when a prior report in 1947 reduced this 10%. I believe more recent data on which our 45" figure was based, is the accepted norm for this area and not 36 year old data. On pages 2-243 and 2-232, questions were raised relative to the air quality primarily due to the question of industry located in Connecticut. We think a judicious application of common sense by the residents in the area, will recognize that air quality in Orient Point is better than the reference points used in the report at Babylon. In regard to Walter Smith's questions on the water supply, he raised a question relative to the minimum 27" versus the East Marion recording at 23" minimum rainfall in a drought year. He also referred to the Malcolm Pirnie report with a 30% recharge figure. Our design proposes to significantly increase the recharge using a system of storm drainage collection and recharge. He also raised the question of reverse osmosis having a high capital cost (fixed charges) during operation, which would be free if construction costs were capitalized and this became part of the annual operating costs. In this case, however, the system capital cost will be absorbed in the development cost of the project. The water supply annual operating cost is projected to run $300 to $350 per unit if the total number of units requested is constructed. An inference was made that the systems, if they fail, could become a cost to the community. This could be adequately protected in Covenants and Restrictions written into the by-laws, thus making all costs for repairs and maintenance a responsibility of the Association. HENDERSON AND BODWELL DATE: AUGUST 17, 1983 PAGE: 4 OF 4 RE: ORIENT POINT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND RESPONSE TO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM TOWN BOARD OF SOUTHOLD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HELD AT MEETING BEFORE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 9, 1983 Relative to the shore line, and using a flood elevation of 11.7 during the September 21, 1938 storm, we are anticipating that all units in the project would be at least one foot above this elevation and that adequate protection would be provided in the final design for the water and sewer facilities. Mr. Trent indicated that the final approval of the water supply system has not been granted. We did not infer that had been in the report, but that only concept approval~had been granted. it AS far as final design, which is dependent upon the total number of units accepted for the project, detailed plans must be submitted and approved by the Health Department and all other regulatory agencies. We are confident that the system proposed is engineeringly feasible. As for sewerage disposal, we are anticipating a system similar to that shown in Figure 10 of the report for individual buildings or groups of buildings. Such systems have recently been approved by the Health Department for multi-unit projects. Among the advantages of this system, recognizing that seasonal use will occur, is that it has low maintenance costs, it produces a denitrified effluent of high quality that can be used as recharge and protection against salt water intrusion by building up hydrostatic heads around the periphery of Ne project. /~ RSB:sk ~~~ MASON, OHIO E/i,,.9 CONSULTING ENGINEERS HENDERSON AND BODWELL 120 EXPRESS STREET, PLAINVIEW, NEW YORK 11803 516-935-8870 June 14, 1983 Ms. Gail Wickham Wickham, Wickham and Bressler Main Road P. O. Box 1424 ~attituck, NY 11952 Re: Orient Point Draft Environmental Impact Statement (Comments of Mr. George Proios on behalf of the New York State Legislative Commission on Water Resource Needs of Long Island) Dear Ms. Wickham: Mr. Proios' personal preferences, as deduced from his opening and closing paragraphs in his letter, indicate that he has failed to realize how completely the Draft Environmental Impact Statement covers the water supply problem involved by the proposed development and we hope the following comments will provide clarification. It is, of course, true that only a limited supply of potable fresh water is available beneath the site .and that "sophisticated" water treatment will be necessary to provide water supply for the proposed community. Appendix B contains very exhaustive reports of the analytical results of the water quality found on the site. Page 3lA contains the following statement concerning treatment required. "The chloride content will be reduced to well below the recommended public health standard and other possible contaminants removed or substantially reduced to meet the standards." Further on, on the same page, "It is not expected that any additional treatment other than reverse osmosis will be required in order to control trihalomethanes, To: Gail Wickham Re: Orient Point Draft Environmental Impact Statement June 14, 1983 Page Two pesticides, etc." However, provision is to be incorporated in the plant design for convenient installation of granular carbon treatment should such additional purification prove necessary". The consultants have provided in Appendix B, not only an adequate statement as to the character of the groundwater which was found on the site, but also an adequate means of providing treatment to bring it up to acceptable potable quality. Technical approval of the proposed treatment has already been secured by the consultant both in the local and the Albany office of the Health Department. Mr. Proios also appears to have only a rudimentary understanding of the Ghyben-Herzberg principal. This theorum makes an assumption that the interface between fresh and salt water beneath the ground is sharply defined. This is not so. Reference to Figure 7 shown on page 3-20 shows the conditions that were actually encountered by the test well. Note that at a depth of 10 feet below sea level, the chloride content of the water found was 43 parts per million, which is well within the 250 standard set as desirable for potable water. Note also that water with a comparable chloride content to that of the nearby Sound and bay was not encountered until the depth of 40 feet below sea level was reached. The depth between 10 feet below sea level and 40 feet below sea level comprises a zone where the mixture of fresh and salt water becomes more saline with depth. The necesssity for the reverse osmosis system was shown by the change in chloride content which was observed during a 72 hour period of continuous pumping of the test well. Although the reverse osmosis system will remove other contaminants as well as chloride, the primary reason for its use is the necessity of producing a potable water which will be within the required chloride standards. The development of the water supply proposed on Orient Point will have absolutely no effect upon the water supply resources of Long Island generally or upon any area on Orient Point, other than the area between the westerly line of the subject properties and the extreme end of the Point. To: Gall Wickham Orient Point Draft Environmental Impact Statement June 14, 1983 - Page Three The 72 hour pumping test and the observation wells which were monitored during that test show clearly that the effects of pumping at the contemplated rates have only local effects and are not transmitted beyond the western boundary of the property. Note that these tests were made under conditions which did not include the benefits that will be obtained on the contemplated recharging of roof drainage and other waters back to the ground. With regard to the recharge of water to the ground, it must be noted that the proposed gallery is within a protected area delineated by a circle of 230 foot radius and that no part of the gallery will be closer than about 200 feet to such boundary. Within that boundary, no recharge of any waters will be permitted except the natural rainfall upon the surface. Outside that area, it is proposed to return roof drainage, treated domestic wastewaters, and road runoff to the ground. The treatment provided for domestic wastewaters is of a fully approved type, and the installations are, of course, subject to Health Department approval. Two reverse osmosis units are being provided, either one of which is adequate to supply the needs of the project. The providing of a complete full size spare reverse osmosis unit appears to be adequate protection against failure of the treatment system. ruly yours// ~? RSB:jmj BA~KAN & MESS ASSOCIAIES, Inc. ln'~lIIC ENOINI:~ I~f~ AND [IIANSI'OIID%IION PI ANNEgS 1052 MAIN S[ItEET I'O BOX I;G1 BllANIf)t{I),Cr. 06405 TFLEPI;ONE: (203)4Rl.4208 February 1, ]98~ Mr. Russell Bodwell Henderson & Bodwell 120 Express Street Plainville, New York 11803 Dear Mr. Bodwell: At the request of Mr. George Buchanan, AIA, we are sending you the enclosed copy of our November, 1982, report on the Traffic Impact Study for the Orient Point Development. Yours very truly, BARKAN a M~SS ASSOCIATES, Inc. // ~tG. Barkan BGB:mlf / Pre Enclosure CC: Mr. George Buchanan Ms. Abigail A. Wickham TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ORIENT POINT DEVELOPMENT TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK PREPARED FOR SCHICK REALTY INTERNATIONAL BARKAN .& MESS ASSOCIATES, Inc. TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ANO TRANSPORTATION PLAN"ERS NOVEMBER, 1982 'BARI(AN & MESS AS,SOCIAl'ES, November 5, ~982 Mr. Nicholas M. Schick schick Realty International 392 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10018 Re: Traffic Impact Study Orient Point Development Southold, Long Island, New York Dear Mr. Schick: We have been asked to prepare this likely traffic impact that would result study to assess the from the development you have proposed at Orient Point on Long Island. The site is located off New York State Route 25 in the Town of Southold at the northeasternmost tip of Long Island. The attached map, Figure 1, illustrates the site location. The project will consist of 120 residential condominium units, a restored inn to serve as a restaurant/conference cen- ter, and a variety of recreational facilities. Scope of Work As part of this study, a field inspection was made of the site and its environs and traffic operations were observed on New York Route 25 and at the Orient Point terminal of Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc. (Orient Point/New London Ferry). Traffic count data were obtained from the New York State Department of Transportation (NYSDOT) and traffic conditions and accident experience were discussed with the Town of Southold Police Chief. In addition, discussions were held with transportation planners from the New York State Depart- ment of Transportation and the Suffolk County Public Works Department. On the basis of the proposed land uses, we have estimated the site traffic volumes which can be expected. These have been added to the existing traffic on the roadway network, and the adequacy of the resultant traffic operations was assessed. Throughout our work, we received guidance and valuable input from Buchanan/Weintraub, Architects, and Ms. Abigail Wickham, Attorney. Existing Conditions The site consists of a triangular parcel of land, approxi- mately 48 acres in size, off New York State Route 25 on the eastern tip of Orient Point. Except for the Orient Point Inn, the land is undeveloped. Two sides of the property are formed by the beaches on Long Island Sound and Gardiner's Bay, while the third is bounded by an adjacent residential subdivision. Other land uses in the vicinity of the site include the Cross lot size of 40,000 mately 45-50 homes zone change to M-i, requested. Sound Ferry Service, Inc., a snack bar, restaurant/marina, the U. S. Government's Plum Island Research Facility and ferry terminal, and Orient Beach State Park. For the most part, the land use throughout this area is farm land and sparsely developed residential property. The site is presently zoned A-Residential and Agricul- tural, which allows single-family development on a minimum square feet. This would allow approxi- to be built on the property. Instead, a General Multiple Residence, is being The four snapshots shown in attached Figures 2 and 3 will help to illustrate the following discussion. New York State Route 25 is a major arterial highway which traverses Suffolk County in an east-west direction. It ends near the eastern tip of Orient Point at a stop sign at the entrance to the Cross Sound Ferry Service operation. In the vicinity of the site, Route 25 is a two-lane road- way, 32 feet in width with a posted speed limit of 55 miles per hour. It is comprised of two 10-foot wide concrete lanes and two 6-foot bituminous shoulders. The road is largely flat and nearly straight, except for a sharp, right- angle bend to the south located a few hundred feet from its terminus. The latest traffic count on file with the NYSDOT for the section on Route 25 near the site indicates an average annual daily traffic volume of 1,450 vehicles, based on a count re- corded in 1979. Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc. operates year-round daily ferry service between New London, Connecticut, and Orient Point, New York. The 1982 schedule is shown in Figure 4. The company operates three ferry boats: the "New London" with a capacity of approximately 40-45 vehicles, the "Plum Island" and the "Caribbean," each with a capacity of about 20 vehicles. The capacity varies depending on the mix of vehicles (cars, trucks, trailers, etc.) carried on the individual trip. The operation is apparently quite successful. Almost every run during the summer season is filled to capacity, and weekends are even busier than weekdays. booked by advance reservation. However, available for those who wish to wait for Trips are primarily "stand-by" status is cancellations. The vehicle traffic using the ferry operation has been growing rapidly in recent years; the volume increased by 70 percent between 1970 and 1979. The ferry company's facilities at Orient Point include a reservation building, a short-term parking area, a long- term parking lot, and staging areas for holding queues of vehicles waiting to board the ferry. There are three separ- ate queue lines on the Cross Sound Ferry Service property: one for small cars, one for larqe cars, and one for A fourth line, for stand-bys, forms on the shoulder 25. Though peak season (mid-June to mid-September) tions of the ferry operation were not conducted, it trucks. of Route observa- is under- stood that the queue of stand-by vehicles typically extends back from the Stop sign, around the sharp bend in the road to the Plum Island facility driveways. Occasionally, the queue continues to the Orient Marina/Restaurant. Discussions regarding the with Police Chief Winters. He of vehicles on the shoulder of traffic problems in the area. often sluggish and confused. However, apparently no dents have occurred in this immediate area. The Plum Island Research Facility operates 24 hours daily. The majority of employees work the 8:00 A.M.-4:30 P.M. shift, while skeleton crews work the remainder of the day. Each weekday approximately 150 vehicles enter the government facility parking area prior to 8:00 A.M.; the same number of vehicles exits after 4:30 P.M. During the rest of the day, other traffic, i.e. visitors, service vehicles, employees also enters and exits the driveways. ferry operation were held indicated that the parking Route 25 is the cause of As a result, traffic flow is Proposed Development Assuming adoption of the proposed zone change from A-Residential and Agricultural to M-i, General Multiple Residence, the plans for the 48-acre site call for the construction of 120 condominium residential units and the relocation and restoration of the Orient Point Inn. The Inn will become a restaurant/conference center with a capa- city of 150 dining room seats, and 30 guest suites. The restaurant will operate year-round, while the conference center facilities will only be available in the spring and fall seasons. The 30 guest suites, primarily associated width the conference center, would be set aside as long-term rental units during the summer months. Access to the site would be from Route 25. The drive- way is to be located opposite the access to the ferry ter- minal, An additional driveway, proposed for emergency use only, would connect the site to an existing residential sub- division road lying west of the site. Anticipated Site Traffic Volumes Due to the location and seasonal nature of the proposed development, the greatest traffic impact on Route 25 is ex- pected to occur during the summer months of July and August. 6 'Phis impact would result from the three components proposed for the site: the condominium residential units, the res- taurant, and the guest suites in the inn. Typical condominium developments in metropolitan areas exhibit a sharp peaking of traffic volume during the morning and evening commuter hours. Such a characteristic is not expected to prevail in this case. Instead, the hourly traf- fic flow variation probably would more nearly resemble that of a resort community. The traffic volumes would be low in the morning, steadily increasing to the noon hour, remaining relatively stable through 6:00 or 7:00 P.M. and then dropping off gradually in the evening hours. The guest suites are also anticipated to exhibit differ- ent traffic generating characteristics than typical hotel units. The planned community will be relatively self-contained with a restaurant, swimming pool, beaches, tennis courts', and other recreational activities. Therefore, off-site travel by guests is expected to be small. The restaurant, on the other hand, can be expected to be a somewhat more typical generator of vehicular traffic. That is, there will be considerable activity through the lunch period, a decline through the afternoon, and a sharp increase after 6:00 P.M. However, the traffic generation rate for the restaurant is expected to be slightly lower than what would be considered lie)rillS1[ elsewhere. This rs that some of tho restaurant guest suite residents, walk to the restaurant. the restaurant being a patrons will be condominium or or perhaps ferry passengers who would Other patrons may arrive by car, with secondary destination, the ferry being the primary one. Such traffic cannot be classified as new to the area. Based on the above analysis, the summer volume of traffic generated by the proposed development is expected to be approxi- mately 900 vehicle trips daily, that is, 450 vehicles arriving and leaving. The traffic volume during the peak hour of the day will represent approximately 100 vehicle trips. The estimates of the volume of vehicle trips generated were based on statistical information compiled and published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers,(1) supplemented by numerous studies of generally comparable land uses on file in our office. Roadway Adequacy Route 25 through Orient Point is a well-designed and well-maintained highway. In the vicinity of the site, the annual average daily traffic volume, based on a 1979 count, Trip Generation, An Informational Report, Institute of Transportation Engineers, Second Edition, 1979. was 1,450 vehicles. The highest daily volume during the week of the count in June, 1979, was approximately 2,000 vehicles. It should be recognized that the traffic volumes on Route 25 during the months of July and August are somewhat higher than in June, and that traffic volumes have increased since 1979. Thus, it is estimated that the present peak summer traffic volumes on Route 25 near the site may be about 2,500 or even 3,000 vehicles daily. Thelnewly generated vehicle traffic resulting from the proposed development must be added to this "background" traf- fic to determine the future traffic volume on Route 25. The combined traffic volume thus would be 3,000 plus 900 vehicles, or 3,900 vehicles daily. This total can then be compared to the roadway's capacity of approximately 13,000-17,000 vehicles daily(2) to determine highway adequacy. The comparison of 3,900 vehicles with 13,000 to 17,000 indicates that, even with the construction of the proposed development and the addition of 900 vehicle trips during the peak summer months, the existing highway will not be over- burdened. Sufficient reserve capacity exists for additional future development at Orient Point. A Policy on Geometric Design of Rural Highways, 1965, American Association of State Highway Officials, 1966. 9 The adequacy of the present traffic operation on Route 25 near the pier of the Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc. Js a separate issue. As previously mentioned, the traffic operations associated with the ferry service are disruptive to the normal traffic flow on Route 25. Stand-by vehicles park on the shoulder of the highway and interfere with other- wise smooth traffic flow. The removal of the stand-by line from the state highway would dramatically improve traffic flow through the area. Confinement of the traffic associated with the ferry service to the ferry company's property would make the overall area more inviting and improve the perception of Orient Point. This entire matter should be addressed independently of the zone change request. Perhaps the parties concerned, i.e. the Southold Town Board, Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc., and NYSDOT, should hold discussions and study ways to miti- gate the existing traffic problems associated with the ferry service. Summary A zone change from A-Residential and Agricultural to M-i, General Multiple Residence is being requested for approximately 48 acres of land at the tip of Orient Point in the Town of Southold, New York. Adoption of the zone change would allow construction of a 120-unit condominium residential development and restoration of the historic Orient Point Inn. 10 Vehicle access to the site would be from Route 25 near its terminus at the Orient Point/New London Ferry pier. Ail sight lines at the driveway would be clear of obstructions. An emergency vehicle driveway is being proposed to connect with an existing residential street to the west. Present traffic flows on Route 25 are well below capa- city and the addition of an estimated 900 daily vehicle trips due to the proposed development would not decrease the operat- ing efficiency or safety of Route 25. The traffic operation associated with the ferry service needs to be improved. As a very minimum, parking should be restricted along Route 25, and instead all waiting vehicles should be required to park on property controlled by the ferry service. We helpful to you and to the Town Board of course of discussions and deliberations posed zone change. BGB:mlf Attachments trust the foregoing traffic impact analysis will be Southold in the concerning the pro- Sincerely yours, BARKA/~ & MESS ASSOCIATES, Inc. //B~ne~ict G. Barkan, AICP President 11 Route 25 at site frontage looking west Route 25 near site frontage looking east, including sharp bend near ferry terminal Barkan & Mess Associates, Inc. Figure 2 Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc. Lonq-Term Parking Lot looking north toward Orient Point Inn Route 25 at ferry terminal looking north with stand-by line at left Barkan & Mess Associates, Inc. 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J~»¸ÅéB³¸*݆æ’G±­È2LJ•È2LJ•Y?4ºPÒú C¾™*݈5åeh8 ¹–È2LJ•È2LJ•:Ý?Šñ<äÏ IŒ”*Ý©FZ{ ÁûÈ2LJ•È2LJ•zT?i;7=Ù±"D¿;*ÝÞû Bl€…WQÈ2LJ•È2LJ•ŒŒ?#È-|µí}I¼ž*Ýãr(t*—D7È2LJ•È2LJ•} ?üM¡w HºQ*ÞÇú®º ŠDÈ2LJ•È2LJ•s ?ÚÁó7w~£@¢D*ÞküLÈã#9ÏìIàw¤Œ•È2LJ•†k?¤ ¡Ç1òÏB¥Û*ސ£ãTœåì©È2LJ•È2LJ•Ã¾ <?ïô1ÈÚŒD„h*Ú{J _˜~)0J0<?ûnöæýTJ®*Ý—2èr˜°,0J00?¡ÕEôÂýM†*Ùóá|‹Nž %rilliam Y. Terry, Jr. Linden Farm ' Orient, Long bland, N. Y- 11957 Y. 11771 RECEIVED I ~,;ve r~ the Emvir~nme~tal Impact Stateme~t--Orickt Poizt-im its emtirety. Alt~ush tk{ report ~s pre~e~t~4 tme pu'~lic wit~' f~ctual i~f~rn, tiem~ I believe it te ~e ~inclusive i.~ several r~sp~cts. ~ I ~m ~ze w~'~ r~a~s betwee~ t~o li~es~ I thi~k we must leek ~ey~ the ~vi~u~ issues wkic~ will k~ve ~erm~us impact ~,~ t~e c~i~mu~ity as well as upc~ tho physical e~vire~e~t. Tko first ~ m~st important issu~ is water. I am a firm oeliever i~i leavic~ ti~ water ~4 ether techzlic~l imY~rm'~tio~ i~ t~, tables t~ experts whe car: ~ecip~r t~e f~ots. But im a~itie~, az ~tate~ ~m page E-2 i~ t~ r~p~rt~ t~e ~beri~i~als m~y ~ve buri~ ~ll~we~ ~ut l*gs t* pr~vi~ m~s~ift w~lls. Ue ~ve ~pefully c~m~ a l~g w~y simc, t~, ~d surely t~e early ~eat~ r~t~ ~rr.~mg m~m~rs *f t~is culture c~ sp~k f~r itm~lf. T~ revers~ esm~sis system is relatively ~ew ~ ~a~ m*t ~t~ t~e t~st ~f title. De we ne~ t* se~e az ~imea plum? ~ surely t~ ~raima~* pr~p~s~ w~ul~ ~ave impact ~ t~ surr~um~g waterm~ ~ t~e c~m~l~x li~e ~ ~r~r,~ c*~tructi~m will surely wm~n t~e ~.~licate c~amtlime. O~ page 2-27 t~e r~p~rt states, "t~e c~mR. sitiem ~f t~e $1uff~ near P*i~t is pre~mi~tly s~, .... Wluffs c~m~ris~ ~f glacial till l~wer ~r~mi*~ t~ ~luffz o~mmistimg ~f s~ ~ silt .... ~ is particular- ly sumceRti$1e t~ er~siw~ f~rc~m." ~ later~ i~ 2-28~ "t~e Weac~e~ are ~t always sufficient f~r Wluff pr~teoti~ fr*m ev~m t~es~ small waves... future er~si~ impacts a~m mot pos~i~le." It w~ul~ see~ tA~t this is ..:~tmission that we c ,ul~_ ~ t;~ki,~ a ck~ce ,~f ~la~i~ a~y type ~f (imfiltrati ~ ~llery) system a mere lOC' fr*~m t~ w~ter. ~ p+~e 2-29~ "virtu~!l~ all c~a~tli~es e~ t~e N*rt~ F~rk are er~.iimg"--~ we ~ee~ remi~er t~t trois piec~ of ~elioate l~ is surr,)u~e~ ~ 't~r~ si~s Th~ reD*rt has ~.~, its i~fs~;~ati~m re~r~im~ traffic from f..~cts im 1979. T~ose ef y~a wk* ~ve ~ t~e ~oc~i~m t~ ~rive ~ut t.~ tk~ P~.~i~t c;~i ~,o~r wltn~ss t.., tho f:ct t.~. t t~e tr~ffic .~: t~x. Oi~i kt P~,i~t Forts' if t~ Cr*~ o· ,u~' 'Ferry Service can ir~m eut the e~gine pr®'~lem~ t~ m~euver it i~t* t~$ ~eck without the asmist~ce ~f a tu&~at. · a t~e Ts~ Bear~ w~ul~ ce~si~er t~is (~:p~e~ ferry service) ~ ~e~ther i;:~ ~ ~ . ..: ,~.~... t~ .~ ~, r,~ di~w~,~ta~es t~ tL~,o l' u~ wha ~re full ti~e rcs- ig~nt~ a~ v~tcrs ~utw~ir'- t~ c~w~{ience ~f ~ f~w trucker~ a~4 tr~mie~t~. At a~y r~te, m~y ~f us ~w sit s~t t~e e~m ~f ~ur r~a~ ~ ~ri~ew~ye ~ut ~ere f~r as le~ am 10 minutes i~ ~r~er be ~et ~ur ve~iclem .mte t~e ~i~ ~ea~. T)~e State Park ~s c~"s ~A ~uses li~e~ up ~m t~e B_ut4 si&e I:~ ' ' tic ' ~ _ . sz~r%~ their s=.,urco v,f f,~,~4 ~uld be ~evercly ~zf~ctea. There ~re~ 90 T,,e z~. ,1~ insi~ecti~n ,~f vegetation ~ittSdl~ v~as gon~ ~rin~ t~e wi~ter w~e~ m~st plm~t~ aro i~det~cti~lo--~ut in ~-3 t~c rep,rt ~rsmises t~:zt if any ef t~e enh~,m~ereg si~cies are i~e~tifie.~ "the plan~ fer ~evei~pme~t will revio;~ im li~ht ~f the a2~iti~nal i~!or,~tti~." D,~ ~e ]~avc :a~y ~uara~te~ ~,~ t~ wh~thee this ~uld actually be ~t_e~ ~y I may ~o ,~no of a ve.r~ few w~ have rea~ the Impact Stmtememt. 0f c~,ur~e I~'~;~,e,~ t* thi~k t~at ~t ~ly is trim piece ~f 1~ ~ t~e P~imt extra s~eci~,l-~ ~t just te Orient. S* ~legs, R~'t everleek the ~rm~us ~ imp,~ot imvelve~. Seme ~f u~ill Ye affecteR ~irectly every Ray i~ te~s ~f water~ waste ~sp~mal Rr~i~a~e~ as well ms traffic. 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PERMIT APPLIED FOR AND~ APPLICATION NUMBER: Change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M-I" Multiple Residence District, Potition No. 253. PROJECT DF~CRIPTION: Applicant desires to develop a multiple residence concept containing condomin- into units, in conjunction with the relocation and restoration of the Orient Point Inn facility. PROJECT LOCATION: Orient Town of Southa~d, County of Suffolk, bounded North by Long Island Sound; East by land of the United States of America; South by Gardiner's Bay and Lmds of Hughes, Lntham and Wy~i and Long Island Lighting Co.; West by "Lands End" subdivision. SEQR DETERMINATION: A draft e~vironmental impact statement has bee~ prepared on this~ and is on file. SEQR LBAD AGI~ffY: Town of Southo~d AVAH,ABILffY POR PUBLIC euvimnmenml impact state- ment may Be t~viewed at the address listed below. Com- menta on the ~ must be su~ ~t~e Cm~ son ~ be~ow~ no late~ th?l_ ~ ~ 1983~ CONTKCT PERSON: Judith T. Terry. Town Clerk, Town of Sonthoid, Town Itull. Main Road. ~unthold, Now York 11971, ($16) 76~-1801 IT-4/7/8~(21) COUNTY OF SUFFOLK SSt STATE OF NEW YORK Potricia Wood, being duly sworn, says that she is the Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMAN, a public newspaper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County; and that the notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, has been published in said Long Island Traveler-Watch- man once each week for ........................ ./. .............. weeks successively, commencing on the ............ .~.. ..................... day o~ ......... i '~'" ........................ 19 ........ %, Sworn to before me this ............ ? ................. day of 1 9. u CLEMENT J. THO~,;IPSON NOTARY PUBLIC, State of New York '/~ 52-9321725 JUDITll T. FERRY OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 PLEASE PUBLISH THE ATTACHED NOTICE ON APRIL 7, 1983, AND FORWARD ONE AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO JUDITH T. TERRY, TOWN CLERK, TOWN HALL, MAIN ROAD, SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971. 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TERRY TOWN CLIRK OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK TOWN OF $OUTHOLD Town Hall, 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 728 Southold, New York 11971 TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801 PLEASE PUBLISH THE ATTACHED NOTICE ON APRIL 7, 1983, AND FORWARD ONE AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO JUDITH T. TERRY~ TOWN CLERK, TOWN HALL, MAIN ROAD, SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971. Copies to the following: The Suffolk Times The Long Island Traveler-Watchman Town Board Members Southold Town Planning Board Southold Town Building Department Town Clerk's Bulletin Board David DeRidder~ DEC~ Stony Brook Commissioner Williams, DEC, Albany RECEIVED Town ~ ,, $out,~old WICKHAM, WICKHAM & BRESSLER, MAIN ROAD, p.O. BOX 142~% MATTITUCK LONG ISLAND NEW YORK 11952 March 28, 1983 Mrs. Judith T. Terry Southold Town Clerk Town Hall - P.O. Box 728 Southold, NY 11971 Dear Judy: Re: Schick - Orient Point Property Enclosed are four copies of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement in connection with the above nmtter. Very truly yours, Abigail A. Wickham /epu Encls. 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Units are Arranged to Give Each Home a Direct View of the Sound or Bay. ----- �— ,t��� \ j �i (Units may be Single Family Detached Homes , Court Hc,uses , r`r 2 1 /2 Story Duplexes). �.. 1Z1 �\ / , �� 2. Units are Clustered into Small Neighborhoods Around Entrance Courts. "V's" Increase No. of Units With Water Views. 3. '"Big Houses" with 4 to 8 Units Appear as Large Houses Rathe, than Row Houses. =r_ 1 / 4. Clusters are Grouped Along Shoreline with Paths Leading to Inn or Recreation Center. - , � ', / � � _�X.•�j` ;' \I �� ,-' S. The Inn, and Recreation Center Provide a Focus to the Development & inn fo be Rebce d Link North & South Sides. ei • � �- � � � ' 6. The Inn , Relocated and Expanded into a Conference Center, is the Sole Building Projecting into the "Public" Greenway, in ErnphusiZe Its Unique Nature. 7. 1'fhe Greenway, Marked by Trees Along the Right-of-Way, is Preserved as Public Open Space. 1 I ,_�✓; / `/ 8. /A Sandy Beach is Constructed in Front of the Inn/Conference Center for Swimming, Small Sail Boating, etc. (Also on North Shore). 9. Roads and Parking are Restricted to the Interior of the Site, with Pedestrian Circulation _ I Along the Two Shores. 10. IvAeadow - Can be Planted in Tall Grains for Harvesting. \� 11 . VNater is Provided by Shallow Wells & R.O. Water Treatment Plant . \ w 12. Strip of Land E. of Clubhouse Could be Developed for 4 to 7 Houses. \ 13. 0w Developed on Site of Existing Inn, :aw Orient Point Buchanan/Weintraub, Architects Henderson and Bodwell, Engineers Nicholas M. Schick,, Developer " Concept • Site Plan -' - ow 'idnden Ferry Dock1 t - l b 21 . 82 . I i 7 s . 7 West Section Center Section East Section. Lf I C❑ E LU -- - -- - ❑ ❑❑ ILI FED] E OL ❑� ❑�❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ 777 F, 7 - - --. -- ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ _ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ C - ❑ - ❑ ❑: ❑ � ❑ ❑ ❑ Li ❑ ❑ C❑��, ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ - - West Elevation East Elevation South Elevation Ej LJ ❑ ❑ ❑❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ I LLI ❑ ❑ ❑ U ❑ ❑ o �, o Orient Point Inn 2 E E Henderson and Bodwell, EngFn6grs Nicholas M. Schick, Developer ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ �❑ ❑ [❑ ❑� Measured Drawings North Elevation 0 4 a 16 r fo•21.82 i JI I � II II �I II II I 'I II --rl-7777774 II ill II I II I II II III � I II I II it II III II II lli I II ' I ' II I II II II I II II II II II II I II II II Il II II li II II II II I II II II 'Ij 'Il II II I I II II II II jl I' II j I'l n II I i II II I I - I p II I I II I SII II �I II II i, II I� II II it I II II II II ' _ _ li II _ --�I--- -- JL--- ----- � �- __ �L JI-- JL_ L =- -- - - I - _ _ -- - 7 C- --- - - __--- 5 C_ _ __� �- -- __] F--7 F - _7 F-- _a C_ � C= t7r=1 '==ir=y c=-------= 111 ti III p III II II li Ili 'Il II II II II Il II _ I� II li I II ' I I II II II Il I, II II II I �I ll 'I - II II li I I II ll II II II it - --- II II jl I I II II II II II II �I I l II II I II II I I II I II II II I II I III I I II II II II III II it II i ' '--- li I II I II III II'I II l II I I II II III II - I I I I Second and Third Floor Pian r _ __ _ Fourth Floor Plan ,.. . 0'-0 I I IL ri I I - I N I I � I _I — _ � r III III � � � it li ii ii I I L li I II j � II I II — II II li I L i M �O I O_ d --- C7 �— ❑ ❑ Q L7 ❑ ❑ -- -. -- - - _ _ - -- - - - Ground Floor Pian - - — Roof Plan G G G II Q ❑ II O rient Point inn Buchanan/Weintraub, Architects Henderson and Bodwell, Engineers Nicholas M. Schick, Developer Measured Drawings ❑ ❑ n ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ 0 4 8 18 Basement Plan e•z� •�� it I : � I I F _ LK 17 f Ir //���/// -7If or t3 12- t,I I N �^ I t � I FAry Porch I Inn Unite {nn Units p � Jb „4 h -./Z Vf ri km/CaiNerence canter i c. .' �6 P Bowling Green� � � � ,J � � r n 'E Iish Gardens English Gardena T-" I e ? Azi 1�.,'1�.r Y yS� _ ✓(� -ry i���h�S' �' j f vim' �<?r? ) 4 - 2n.,n,,.. j G am( int Inn a Orient Po Buchanan/Weintraub,. Architects Henderson and Bodweii, Engineers r Nicholas M. Schick, Developer --- _ _ -- - -- Site Plan V 1P --- r Beach 0 a 16 32 . b2102 1 Ii I 'I _ Open Over Foyer -- I A E '77 Men F Conference/Danquelt Room Pantry Conference Room/Lounge Conference Room Women <I' Second Floor Plan I Q Fj ❑ ❑ ❑ Q ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ L] Q ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ 1 ❑ ❑ Q ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ A Q D D ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ � ❑ r Kitchen Coatroom Foyer ` Desk Offices T-7 -- — — ❑ 4 ❑ D Down to -- -_ •i - _ ._ _ Washroomup s ;- - -. Q ❑ p j Conference Rooms ❑ ❑ ❑ Dining Room Lounge Oyster Bar ❑ ❑ ' ❑ n ❑ Dining Mezzanine Above Mezzanine Above Orient Point Inn Buchanan/Weintraub, Architects El ❑ _ -- -- LAa� ° a Henderson and Bodwell, Engineers - --- - Nicholas M. Schick, Developer Dining Porch Dining Porch Proposed Restoration Ll rEl - Q - - - - ❑- -- - A, - - - ❑ n . . - - Ground Floor Plan O 8 i6 �Liaz C I � SY r »kY, 1E r fir, r - Conlerenee Room 4 r IS.�� 40 o~'-� fi Walkway to Recreational Facilities r Raw s • _ r E hl F5-d,Gg d f J Fy k'Y G _ `E r3r;F1'1• o r t R --- — — — n NO YJ w °F ,fir KltYI, PkIidWROOM � Porch r --_ rw!nr.N�, . , -,�..-^sy. •.ns-^� ��..'..t` yV w ��. Iff M- r r „ - I garden. Beach e• � t r 'i¢� ��' ✓ uP:; r7s x t d.c r X11 Oro nt [ r . . . s., i .ll• F 3a' t� Ih�grf�t .'.l�l� rl �ti Proposed Re St. I I gY�rt : I : 1 , WL [l -- _ o g \ -- The Lounge i The Inn seen from Gardiner's Bav, o _ --- - — orient Point Inn Buchanan/Weintraub, Architects Henderson and Bodwell, Engineers � II Nicholas Ivi. Schick, Developer Proposed Restoration The Dining Porch