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1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK
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TOWN BOARD
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7 Southold, New York
8 February 25 , 2025
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14 B E F O R E :
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16 ALBERT KRUPSKI JR, SUPERVISOR
17 LOUISA P . EVANS, JUSTICE
18 JILL DOHERTY, COUNCILWOMAN
19 BRIAN O . MEALY, COUNCILMAN
20 GREG DOROSKI , COUNCILMAN
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FEBRUARY 25, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 2
1 INDEX TO TESTIMONY
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3 Chapter 219 & Chapter 197 Revisions 3-5
4 SFC for SMB Real Estate Services 5-15
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FEBRUARY 25, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 3
1 CHAPTER 219 & CHAPTER 197 REVISIONS
2 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : So the
3 purpose of tonight ' s first public
4 hearing is to consider an amendment to
5 Chapter 219, Shellfish and Other Marine
6 Resources , and Chapter 197 , Peddlers ,
7 solicitors , loitering and transient
8 retail merchants , to remove the fees for
9 shellfish permits , peddlers licenses , to
10 provide for the establishment of same by
11 Town Board Resolution . The full tax
12 proposed Local Law is available for
13 review in the Town Clerk ' s office and on
14 the Town ' s website . In the folder here,
15 I have an affidavit signed by our Town
16 Clerk, Denis Noncarrow, that the legal
17 notice was posted on the Town Clerk ' s
18 bulletin board in the back . I have a
19 copy of an Affidavit of Publication and
20 invoice from the Suffolk Times that the
21 legal notice was published there . I
22 have a copy of the legal notice itself .
23 I have a copy of the resolution passed
24 by this Town Board setting tonight ' s
25 public hearing . That ' s what I got .
FEBRUARY 25, 2025 REGULAR MEETING 4
1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
2 you, Councilman . Are all the legal
3 notices in order, Mr . DeChance?
4 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE : They
5 are, Mr . Supervisor .
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
7 you . All right, so we ' ll open that
8 first hearing . Is there anyone who
9 would like to speak to that first public
10 hearing on that Local Law change?
11 (No Response) .
12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I ' m
13 checking the audience . I ' m seeing none .
14 Is there anyone in the -- there ' s
15 three -- we have three people online . I
16 don ' t see any hands up . Seeing no
17 comment, would anyone like to make a
18 motion to close the hearing?
19 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Make a
20 motion to close the hearing .
21 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Second .
22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
23 favor?
24 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
25 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
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1 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
2 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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5 SFC FOR SMB REAL ESTATE SERVICES
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
7 right . Can you read the next hearing,
8 please .
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Yes . The
10 purpose of tonight ' s second public
11 hearing is the application being
12 considered to transfer 2 . 78 sanitary
13 flow credits to a parcel known by the
14 Suffolk County Tax Map Number as listed .
15 Located at 56025 Main Road, Southold,
16 New York, for the purpose of creating
17 six apartments . Three of which shall be
18 kept affordable by renting at the rate
19 established by the Town Board annually .
20 And leasing to tenants that are income
21 eligible in the Southold Hamlet Business
22 District . The Town Board classified
23 this action as a Type II under SEQRA.
24 An exempt from LWRP review . A public
25 hearing was held -- No . I guess that ' s
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1 the passing resolution . So I will move
2 on to the folder, and then we will take
3 comment . Of the 2 . 78 sanitary flow
4 credits transferred by this action, 2 . 25
5 of the credits are provided at no cost
6 to the applicant for the portion of the
7 project that is to remain affordable in
8 perpetuity . And . 53 of the credits will
9 be provided at a cost to the applicant
10 of $ 6, 360 for the portion of the project
11 that will remain market rate . And I
12 guess that -- yeah, that ' s good for now .
13 All right . Now onto the folder . In the
14 folder here, I have an Affidavit of
15 Posting of the notice and copy of the
16 green return slips that were sent to the
17 adjacent property owners . I have a
18 letter from the Southold Town Planning
19 Board Supporting this , this action . I
20 have comments submitted by the Chief
21 Building Inspector saying that all
22 buildings and uses shall comply with
23 Chapter 117 , 144 and 280 of Southold
24 Town Code . And multiple dwellings are
25 permitted in the Hamlet Business
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1 District . I have an Affidavit that the
2 legal notice was posted on the back
3 bulletin boards . Signed by our Town
4 Clerk Denis Noncarrow . Along with a
5 copy of the ad and invoice from the
6 Suffolk Times . I have a copy of the
7 legal notice itself and the resolution
8 that was adopted by this Town Board
9 setting this public hearing .
10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
11 you, Councilman . Is all the paperwork
12 in order, Mr . DeChance ?
13 TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DECHANCE :
14 Bear with me one more, Mr . Supervisor .
15 For the record, the hearing file does
16 not contain either the LWRP
17 determination or the SEQRA
18 determination ; however, I will obtain
19 them and make them part of the file .
20 The Board is free to move with it
21 though .
22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Oh,
23 thank you . And we will entertain
24 comments on this proposal .
25 PATRICIA MOORE : It ' s really --
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1 thank you for hearing this application .
2 My client -- It ' s a long process . We ' re
3 getting close to the end, I hope . My
4 file is about this big and three units
5 are affordable . So it ' s remarkable that
6 property owners are willing to go
7 through the process . So the sanitary
8 credits , the additional credits are very
9 necessary . We thank you for the
10 opportunity to use them. And we hope
11 you will adopt this so that we can move
12 forward . Thank you .
13 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Thank
14 you .
15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Would
16 anyone else like to speak?
17 ABIGAIL FIELD : Hi , Abigail Field,
18 Cutchogue . I just wanted to say thank
19 you for moving forward with the
20 affordable units . I thank you for using
21 carefully done transfer of sanitary flow
22 credits . So that it ' s a neighboring
23 property . We ' re not just moving things
24 from one watershed to another . It ' s
25 actually really done right . So thank
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1 you for that because it ' s really
2 important . So I also urge you to pass
3 this , and yay .
4 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Thank
5 you .
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
7 you . Anyone else like to speak?
8 TOM MCCARTHY : Yes . Good evening .
9 I ' m Tom McCarthy, Southold . I ' m here to
10 speak in favor of the transfer of flow
11 credits . We happen to own an adjacent
12 property . I think ( inaudible) worked
13 very hard to get through our system for
14 the permits , and Pat has done a great
15 job, as well . Leading him through that
16 for the permits . One thing I ' d just
17 like to add in addition to these
18 sanitary flow credits , is that we ' d love
19 to be able to see some changes come in
20 the Zoning District, and some of the
21 permissible uses to create buildings
22 like Mark is doing here . But to amend
23 some of the definitions that are out
24 there for perhaps multiple family
25 dwelling or apartment house to allow
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1 units that are less than 850 square
2 feet . And I think Mark has been
3 constrained on that with his
4 application . He ' s made his application
5 concurrent to the present Zoning at 850
6 square feet . We have adjacent property,
7 and we may like to come in and do
8 something that is different with new
9 construction, and the code is very
10 difficult to navigate based on
11 conversion of existing buildings versus
12 creating new structures . And right now
13 I think we ' re handcuffed at a new
14 structure to be deemed to be a
15 multifamily building . It has to be 850
16 square feet or more and it has to have
17 at least three units . I think that may
18 hamper development within the Hamlet to
19 do perhaps some smaller units than 850
20 square feet and to have a mix of unit
21 sizes between affordable and market
22 rate . And I ' d encourage the Board to
23 take a look at that as you progress .
24 And I think that will give different
25 development options , and it will also
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1 give different housing options to
2 members of the community . So I commend
3 you for the transfer of credits . We
4 look forward to Mark having a successful
5 project . We may be back in front of you
6 with something next door, but I think
7 putting the density in the Hamlet where
8 it belongs , is a longstanding tradition,
9 where we ' ve been looking with USUK and
10 many things for many decades . Trying to
11 move the flow into the downtown where
12 the services are .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So I
14 have a question for you . You were a
15 member of the original Southold
16 stakeholders ?
17 TOM MCCARTHY : Yes , I was .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Okay .
19 Thank you for that . That set the
20 foundation for a lot of this .
21 TOM MCCARTHY : Yeah . There ' s a lot
22 of folks that volunteered for that . And
23 it ' s interesting to see some 20 years
24 later where it ' s really starting to have
25 some teeth . And when we did the work
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1 back then, it was you know kind of these
2 are the goals and the aspirations , but
3 they hadn ' t landed till now . So I think
4 that the Hamlet zones , the Halo zones
5 public water, transfer of flow credits ,
6 super offsets unit sizes and all sorts
7 of tools that you ' re bringing into that
8 toolbox will really be , you know, make a
9 positive effect on the community and
10 affordability that we desperately need .
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
12 you . Once we close the hearing, I ' ll
13 give a plug for our zoning update .
14 That ' s very appropriate for this . Thank
15 you .
16 TOM MCCARTHY : Great . Thank you
17 very much .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
19 you . Would anyone else like to speak?
20 I ' m looking in the audience and both on
21 the virtual audience there, I don ' t see
22 any hands up . Do I have a motion to
23 close the hearing?
24 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I ' ll make
25 a motion to close the hearing .
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1 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Second .
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
3 favor?
4 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
5 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
6 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
7 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And
11 before we vote, I ' d just like to say
12 you, you know, you brought up some
13 interesting points for changes . This
14 morning at the work session, Councilman
15 Doroski said it ' s like we ' re building a
16 plane while we ' re flying it . So, you
17 know, we ' ll learn as we go along . We
18 appreciate these efforts to create some
19 affordable housing in the Hamlet . And
20 we certainly look forward for a lot of
21 public participation in the Zoning
22 update . We will be getting comments
23 soon within -- really within weeks that
24 the public would start to take a look
25 through and make recommendations . What
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1 we ' re going to distribute to the public,
2 we want to be clear, is a draft . So
3 we ' re looking for input .
4 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : And as
5 part of that distribution, the next
6 stage will really be rolling out what
7 the public engagement process looks
8 like . We wanted to make sure the draft
9 was out there . So everyone had access
10 to it and then we will clearly define we
11 spoke about it with the Planning
12 Director today . What we intend the
13 public engagement process to be and we
14 welcome the public ' s comment on that
15 engagement process . If they think that
16 any areas are missing, whether it ' s
17 different, you know, business or trade
18 groups that are worth speaking with,
19 people with different expertise , there ' s
20 been, you know, as you mentioned going
21 back to the Hamlet stakeholders , you
22 know, decades of work to bring us to
23 this point . We want to make sure we get
24 it right, but we do also really want to
25 get it passed by this Board . Because
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1 we ' re kind of at that that endpoint and
2 we really like to get it signed into law
3 by December 31st . So it ' s going to pick
4 up the pace and that public engagement
5 is really important .
6 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And
7 then the Planning Director did specify
8 we are giving at least three months for
9 public engagement . So we ' re not rushing
10 that . Because it ' s a large document
11 that people need time to review .
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14 Resolutions at this time, followed by a
15 conclusion of the meeting . )
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1 C E R T I F I C A T I O N
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3 I , Jessica DiLallo, a Notary Public
4 for and within the State of New York, do
5 hereby certify :
6 THAT, the within transcript is a
7 true record of said Board Meeting .
8 I further certify that I am not
9 related either by blood or marriage to
10 any of the parties to this action; and
11 that I am in no way interested in the
12 outcome of this matter .
13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto
14 set my hand this day, February 25 , 2025 .
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