HomeMy WebLinkAboutAhlers, George Amend #93 WHEREAS, a petition was heretofore filed with the Town ~ th
Board o. . e
Town of Southold by ............... G..~.Qr.~...~.b,],~ ........................................
requesting a change, modification and amendment of the Building Zone
I I f n
Ordinonce includinq the Bui ding Zone Maps made a part thereo by cha g- "A" Residential and AgricUltural & General
f "C" Industrial ~r~i"M-l" Multiple Residence
ng -rom .............................................................
District the property described in saki petition
WHEREAS said petition was duly referred
investigation, recommendation and report, ant
and
to the Planning Board for its
its report having been filed
with the Town Board, and thereafter, a publi! hearing in relation to said
petition having been duly held by the Town B~ard on the ..... ~..~..br ........ day
of ......................... .~.a.~. ............... , 19...Z..2., and
had thereon
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED tha~
petition be, and it hereby is G~-ANTED.
BY ORDER OF THE SOUTh{OLD TOWN
DATED: August 8, 1972.
Albe-r~ W. Richmond, ~T0wn Cle~
Jue deliberation having been
the relief demanded in said
OA[~D
tY, at i~:~ter a pi/blic her~r~g h, eld
York{-~xaa duv,m~end~d at ~.
tiqn o~ t~e s~uthgrkv Iid~ 6~
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't-:.,a poi~ a~.land now or form- erly ~ M~er runn~
South 78~egrees. 5~ m~nutes
~ut ~.l~.~degreeg-Aa
10 ~n~ .}East I00.~4 feet
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COUNTY OF SUFFOLK }
STATE OF NEW :YORK ss:
C. Whitney Booth, Jr., being duly sworn, says
that he is thb Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND
TRAVELER - MA FFITUCK WATCHMAN, a public news-
paper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County; and that
the notice of which the annexed is a printed copy, has been
published in said Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watch-
successively, cam nencing on the .............. ./.~..~... ...............
day of ........ ~....~..~
....... ..
[-.~.
Sworn to before me this ...... /...~.....' ..... day of
ADELE PAYNE
ss:
Stuez~t C. Doz~mmn being duly Sworn,
ys that.......he is Printer and Publisher o! ~he SUFFOLK
'EEKL¥ TIM1:S, a newslpapez pub%ished ~%t Greenport, in s~id
zunty; and th~ the noUc~, of which the annexed is a printed
)py, has been published in the said Suffolk Weekly Times
zce in each week, x~r ........... ~ ~ ............. w~
,¢~e~siwly eommonang an the ...... ?.eX?.~.~.e.?..m. ......
%y o! A~
;vorn to b~fere me this....~.-./.., i.. ! ' '
· ../ Clks. ~Jo. 52-9365350 ~"~/~
STATE OF ~NEW YORK:
~ SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK:
ALBERT W. RICHMOND, of,Southold, Town of
Southold, New York, being duly s%~orn, says that he is over the
age of twenty-one years; that on
19 72 i he affixed a notice of wi
ms a urue copy, in a proper and ~
the let day, of September
ich the annexed printed notice
ubstantial manner, in a most
public place in
York, to wit:-
the Town of Sout~
Notice of Amendm~
~mendment ~o. ~
Town Clerk Bulletin Board
Main Road, Sou~
old~ Suffolk County, New
~nt to the zoning Ordinance
3 (George Ahl~rs~~ i'A ~ M~i)
Po:sted~ map p~rta~nihg ~o
Amendmen~ N~. 93
Town Clerk Office
old, L.I.,N.Y.
Sworn to before me this
day of september
~lst
19 72 .
LEGAL NOT
?.NOTICE OF· AMENDMENT TO TI
AMENDMENT NO
NOT]CE IS HEREBY GIVEN, that
£CE
ZONING ORDINANCE
9,3
after a public hearing held
pursuant to the requirements of 1 , the Bui!'ilding Zone Ordinance,
(including the Building Zone Map), of the TOWn of Southold,
Suffolk County, New York, was dul amended ain, t a regular meeting
ii 1972, as follows:
of the S0uthold Town Board b. eld o August 8.,~
1. By. changing from "A" Residential and Agricultural
District and "C" Light Industri District i~o "M-i" General
Multiple Residence District, the property 0~ George· Ahlers,
situated at Southold, New York d more particularly bOunded
~ ,
and described as follows:
BEGINNING at a point on the westerly side of Railroad
Avenue also known as Y~ .ngs Avenue ~imarking the inter-
section of the souther
line of land now or formerly
of Charnews with the we terly line of said Railroad
Avenue also known as Ye .ngs Avenue and from said point
of beginning running nce South 8 degrees 35 minutes
30 seconds East 60..70 f ~et; running thence still along
the westerly side of lroad .AvenUe· So~th 13 degrees
53 minutes 40 seconds E ~st 458.50 feet to. a point and
land now or formerly of Maier; running thence along said
last mentioned land
degrees 53 minutes 20
seconds West 132.4(] fee
13 degrees 23 minutes 1
land now or formerly of
of Averett to a point;
to a point; running thence Sout?
seconds East 100.04 feet along
Maier and land now or formerly
ing thence along land now or
formerly of Averett the following courses.and
distances: South 73 degrees 12 minutes 30 secOnds
Legal Notice
Page 2
West .89 03 feet to a poi
41 minutes 40 seconds 6
or formerly of Kaelin;
mentioned land South 73
West 113,76 feet; runni~
formerly of Lipco Agway
courses and distances:
40 seconds· West 213.27
minutes 50.seconds East
degrees 21 minutes 10
point and land now or f~
running 'thence along
Island Railroad South 7
West 534.10 feet to a p~
of Grattan; running the]
land now or formerly of
minutes 30 seconds West
now. or formerly, of Witk~
last'- mentioned land now
follOwing two (2) cours,
degrees 08 minutes 30 s
(2) North 12 degrees 29
feet to land now or for'.
along Said last mention~
North 70 degrees 05 min'
and North 76 degrees 22
feet to the point or pl,
DATED": "~."'"August~ 9, 1972, BY. ORD}
.nt; thence South 17 degrees
.18 feet t°' a point and land' now
unning thence along said last
degrees 22 i~inutes 20 seconds
,
~g thence a~ong land now or
Inc. the following three (3)
1) South 74 degrees 04 minutes
eet; (2) SO~iuth 5 degrees 22
389.17.fee~: and (3) South 17
,
..conds East 94.21 feet to a
~rmerly of L'ong Island Railroad;
~d now. or formerly of Long
) degrees 38 minutes 30 seconds
)int and land now or formerly
~ce along said last mentioned
Grattan No~th 17 degrees 43
636.24 feet to a point and land
)wski; running thence along said
or. formerly of Witkowski the
~s and distances (1) North
~conds East 110.80 feet and
minutes 30 seconds West 537.84
ner ly of charnews; running thence
land now i or formerly of Charne~
~tes 00 seconds East 48'7.72 feet
minutes.20~seconds East 567.10
~ce of BEGINNING.
~R-,OF- T~IE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
ALBERT W.. RICHMOND
TOWN CLERK
Legal Notice
Pa~.e 3
PLEASE PUBLISH ONCE, AUGUST 17,
AFFIDAVitS OF PUBLICATION TO THE
SOUTHOLD.i~NEW YORK
Copies mailed to the following o]
The Long Island Traveler-Mattitu.
The. SuffOlk Weekly Times
George Ahlers
Van Tuyt.!& Sons
Albert Richmond, Town Clerk
1972, .AND FORWARD THREE (3)
SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK, MAIN ROAD,
August 9~ 1972:
~k Watchman
oouthold Town Board
street
Greenport, L. I.. N. Y.
Gentlemen ~
As two voters of bhis t.~n we 4ecided
considered opinion in regard to the r
Southold by George Ahlers and Dr. Bar
uld~ '
approved. ~r reasoning is
June 9, 1972
to '~'i'be you our
equest for rezon.~,'ag in
ry Hellman. We feel it
simple:
' ~'~ ~' ~,~":'-'-" ~-,..~.~. ,.......~ ·
I- They are long time ~eSidents who ~ke a substantial'living
here a~d they are. Young and Will certainly stay' where the going
is good. 'It 'would be t° their disadv~tage to put up housing
detrimental to the village.
2- An 'apartment complex such' as they
this area both by older citizens and
necessary, and it is better to have s
Southold town People than have some j
done later on by speculating outsider
the crime".
planning is needed in
the. younger .. ones.
or ].ater beoause it is
omething We~l done-now by
erry. b~ilt ·propoSition
far from the "scene of
P, O..Box 384
Catcho.gue, N. Y. 1.1935
!
Yours ve~ truly, .
Frm~k J. Techet
Elsie ~ T e, :het
,.~out~old, ~]]. ct]. 11971
Supervisor Albert ~artooohia
Town Hall
Greenport, N.Y. I19[~
Dear Sir,
Unfortunately I was out of
of the haa'ring on the proposed
to be built on Young Avenue by
~. Ahlsrs. As a resi4en't and
June 2, 1972
town at the time
apartment complex
Or. Hellman and
tax pay~r I wish
to express an opinion. I mu ag
for the following reasons:
~inst the ~roposal
~dy taxed to tho
.~.mber of people
tho swi~ming-pool
harm and be-
l~]hy must $outhold lose
Surburb
come ia ?
Our water supoty is a!re
limit, th. is is a large
to add to the burden
suggested.
2) ~g~y a d~s~osat vlant so
!) 3.~0 fami!ios in this so
much congestion in our
center of town, both mo'
and parking wise.
~lose to other homes'?
s~ce will cause
~lready overcrowded
~ing traffic wise
.]Please give the mattc~r mu~h serious thought.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
BOX 1188, CUTCHOGUEI N.Y. 11955
516-754-50~7
Hay 25, 1972
~r, Albert Martocchia
Supervisor Southold To~m
101 Front Street
Greenport, New York 119~4
Dear Nr. Martocchia~
I am dropping you a note in
support of the erection Iof the com-
plex proposed by the Nanpat Corp.
owned by Dr. Barry Hellman and Nm,
George ~lers.
~_~ou for yo~ t~e,
Yo~rs t~l~, ~';
R~rm
5 (,,..u t h o t ~ e e t
Oreenport, Now 'York
Ge .n t I e me n:
.q?be}:e seems,}, to bo a bit of ecmerovere}y over the proposed
George Abl=.r~, In my opin on, there are n'o groum, dc. for
s ~,.~ e h oppos i t i on ~
SouthoJ..d bas a tremendous need for an apartment
this natu~.~e. War too many of our Senior Ci. ti. ze~s
to ].cave the area because they no l. onger car~
private residence amd there are not enough
avail, able for them to rent.
¢~ . q al~ty of the Commons are concerned I am
confident that Or, ~ellman and Mr~ Ablers 'would not be
~:.:emmuni. ty~,~aTfter all they live here too,~
Mn, S, i.~.JOHN ~l ~ 0 ' K~E'FE
Southold, N.Y. 11971
THEODORE T~I~G
Private Rowa
Southold~ N.Y.
Lay 17, ]-972
Gentleraen:
This leo,Jet is being wrio~.en in support of I~. Ahlers'
request forl a change in zoning on ?Us Yo~gs Avenue property.
~hen I! first read about his reouest, in the newspaoers,
I was very-~uch opposed to it. I was concerned that there
would be inBdequate water available in Southold to support
multiple dw~elling usage and I was concerned also that more
apartment houses would destroy the _~al nature of $outhold,
WlqlOn ! ~reasu~e,
Recur!y, I had s~_ opportunity to discuss with 3~. Ah!ers
these aonce~ns~ as well as his o'~n views. ~. Ah!ers
convinced m~ that relatively small quantities of water
actusll/ would be lost since~ most of what is taken o-~t of
the gro~d ~s put back in the f~ of waste.
Unques~ionabiy~ constructing apartments is ~other
step toward urbanizi~g Southoid. This is
t~owever, as long as ~outkold's fa~ers see fit to sell their
property ~_d as long as there is no real demand for this
property by~other farmers~ which I presume is the case~ I
see no way $o stop the trend.
This I ~feel is particularly true in the case of the
Yo%~gs Avenue property. It is located in a co~ereial
neighborhood near the railroad tracks, and ~fort~ately,
its use c~ot be put to any better purpose.
Southoid is not the s~me r~al certify it was ten
years ago when I first became a resident. It will not be
the same ten years from now. Although none of us would like
~o see this ~change take place, it is inevitable. The best
we can nope ~o_ ms tn=~t one right alternatives are selected,
in each case, $,s it occurs. I believe ~. ~lers' proposal
is one of the better ones.
cc G. AhlerJ
51.6-765-3770
Esfablished lglB "~'
DAVID A. ROTHMAN, Prop.
ROBERT H. ROTHMAN, Genl. Mgr.
General Elecfrlc
Meior Appliances
Tebvislon ~ Radios
Stereo H. F.
Kitchenaid~ Dishwashers
Royal Porta~bfe Typewriters
Samso'nike Luggage
Simmons Beau'fy Re~'
B~dldlng
Englander Bedding
Armstrx)ng Flooring
Furniture
Daysfrom Bkfst Sets
A. G. Spaulding Afb. Goo'ds
Fishing Tackle
Diving & Water Sports equipf.
C~uns ~ Ammunition
Perfection Sp~ce Heeters
Columbia Bicycles
ROTHNIAN'S DE:FARTME:NT STORE:
52200 I~AIN -~
51:]UTHOI_[:). L. I., N
Southold Town Bo~d
South:St.
G~eenpo~t, New York
Dear Si~s:
· Y. llg?l
May 16, 1972
May I take t~i~ moment to w~ite requesting
a favg?able~deci~ in t~e matter o£ the .
/~ ._~~--~ ~ realzze that there a~e objections
'~~proJect. ME feeling th~ugh~ is that
they represen~ th? ~estre to mazntazn the
status quo whzch zs/futile. Southold will
grow and the best th
to intelligently con
growth. This I beli
done through zoning
location, planning,
i~p~ation appea
out.
Frankly there .is really nothing worthwhile
in the are~ as housing for newly weds and this
would help fill this need.
/
At any rate, m~y I u~ge you to find favorably
for this project,w~It will be an asset to
Southold in evez-y .
. You~~y,
Bob Ro tlc_man
~t cau be expected is
t~ol a~d ~eg~late its
~ve is competiently be~ug
~nd master Dlans. The
~ntended a~chitectu~e ~nd
~ to me to be well thought
North
ork oil heat
westphalia road..
Southold Town Board
Town Hall
Southold, New York
Gentlemen:
,.., , 5[6 298-8219
516 298-4764
mattituck, n.y. ,,952
May 16, 1972
It has come to the attention of this oifice that there is
opposition to the proposed apartments in Sc mthold To~n, and
more specifically in the Village of Southold.
In constant contact with new people i~the area and frequently
called upon to aid in locati~g permau~t o~ temporary residence,
we feel there is mere than due need for un ts of this t~pe.
Yours very truly/
~ North Fork Oil Rat
IPECIALISTS Aufoma{-ic Oil Deliveries or Degree Day Sysfem · Plumbing & Hea~'ing
IN SERVICE Insfallafions, Replacemen%s arid Repairs · Burner Service o,n Gall or Gonfra¢'~
FOR THE HOME Burner and IBoiler Gleenil, g · Well Driving · Yard Irrigation
In reference to tile
p~ opos=,~
~ t~ink they %~ou. id be b,)nifi'~ to t]ie conlmunity and
D nald ~ang~n
Greenport~ i'~"ev; Yoz'i-::.~ !.1944.
~0 ~j
rezorzing o~ ~:'ze 23 acres ~: Semibold flor
an apa~tz~ent complex req-~ested ,-xr ~
On -~.~ b~om~' ~ of our experieKce ~i% '~ou!d sm:~e~ ~ha% s~:oh
Southb!¢ Toy:re. As a member
arrived ill x_~ ~r:~
oomDle% ' ~ ~ -~
~vher_ new employees have
.~r a shot%
stractui~es that would be a credi% bo: fha toy,re.
increase our ts}: bas~ considerably and ~souid no% sia~ifios%e!y
increas,s our school
l~:e do apDrecia%e %kat some residents would ]_~[e Soe%ho!d
~- ~, ,~ -r- h .... ~ .... chan6e ~)ld iorogz3ess
Sin~ere!y yo~rs,
195 Oakv;ood .rJl~ve
$outhold,
11971.
N~. Albert Nartochia
Town Board Supervisor
Greenport, N.Y. llghh
Dear Mr o Martocbia:
It is very disappointing t
!
learn that the requesE
for rezoning by the N~$~-PA~ CORPORATION is being met
with so much opposition~
There are many older peopl~ throughout Southold who
will be unable te keep their homes much longer~ due
to lack of help and rising taxes° Colonial Village is
constantly filled and has a long waiting list. Therefore,
something similar is sorel~ needed.
Accoring to the plan, the ~ntire layout would enhauce
this section of Southo~d a~d certainly not be
detrimental° I earnestly hope that all of 'this ~ll
be %mken into consideratio~ in granting permission to
develop "Southcld Commons°"
Drive
Souohold, New York
~outdold Town ~oard
Sout~ o ....
~reenport ~ New York
~'3e nt I em en:
~e proposed apartment house on Youngs
need f~r rental for many retired couples, but would also ease
~he tax burden on other members of
iOommun±ty.
'/e.~? )ru!.jf you_rs,
MRS.
EASTEAST
11939
Albert ~rtochi~
~ov~ Beard Supervisor
Greenport, ~. T. 1194~
Dear ~. Nartochia:
"f~'hy is the rea£~est for rezoning by,I the Nan-Pat
Corporation being opposed?
A~ you must know, Colonial Villag~ is filled
people who nc longer could keep their home~o As time
goes or~, there will be many ~ore Who will want decent
living quarters because the taxes,' will force them to
sell their homes. Consequently, ,l'there is a need for
Southold '
Co~armons~~ Their plan ce~'t~.nly wo~d be an
attraction to Southold.
i , construction?
Why not grant permission for
Sincerely yours,
220 ~itten's .ff ane
,So.t~l,t, 31e~ Cqo~k ~z~
St illwat er z~venue
Cutchogue~ New York
!%~[ay 123 1972
Southo?d Town Board
South -)Street
Greenp~ New York
Gent tenon:
in vie~: of the fact that there is a tremendous nee~ for
spartmen~s in the Town of Sou-hhold~ i would like ~o see the zoning
f~an-=~t ~ealty for t}le Southoid
This project seems to me to be well planned~ and an asset
Very truly yours.,
~OUTI~iOi]D TO$~N BOARD
May 9, 1972
8:00 P.M.
PRESENT:
~UPERVISOR ALBERT i~L~RTOCCHIA
JUSTICE ~I~RT~ SD'TER
XJST ICE LOUIS
' COUNCiIb~N J&i~S F. tiOI~LgN
COUECi:~,~.N Jk2¢qES H. RICH, JR.
TO~ CLERil, ALBERT W. RICHMO~YD
~outhold Town Board
-2- May 9, 1972
_~artocch~a opened the hearing on Proposals to
~upervis or w~' -~
Amend Z. oning Ordinance by changing from ~A" Residential and
Agricultural District and "C~ Light Industrial District to
~M-1~ General Multiple Residence Distz zct, the property of
George Ahlers and Barry Hellman. Because of the large number
of people attending the hearing the Supervisor requested a
recess in order to reconvene at 8:30 P.M. at the gymu~sium of
Greenport ~chool~
8:20 P.M. Supervisor Martocchia reconvened the hearing
on application of George Ahlers.
Councilman Homan read the legal notice of hearing and the
proof of publication in the official newspaper, The Long Island
Traveler~k~attituck Watchman. Councilman Homart also read the
recommendation of the ~outhold Town Planning Board dated March
25, 1972, as follows: ~This is to advise that the following
resolution was passed on March 21, 1972 in the matter of
petition of George Ahlers relativs to matter of change of zone
from '~A~ Residenti~.l and Agricultural District and ~G~ Light
industrial D~strzco to ~M-1~ General i~iultiple ResidenCe District
on certain property situated at ~outhold, New ]fork. The Southold
Town Planning Board recommends favorably to the Town Board the
change from ~A~ and ~C-1~ to ~M-1~ on the above desci-~ibed property:
The property ad~olns existing industrial property. It is isolated
from single family residence development. The property is accessible
to the village~ There is public water suoply and sewag$ t~eatment
plant is included in the project. The project meets the requirements
of the Zonzno Ordinance, and there is a need For more apartments
Southold Town Board
-3- May 9, 1972
apartments in the vicinity of Southoid Village.~ (Signed) John
Wickham, Chairman.
f~VJPERViSOR ~F~RTOCCHIA: You have heard the legal notice of
he~ing, the proof of publication in the official newspaper,
the description of the property and the recommendation of the
Southold To~ Planning Board which is favorable to this proposed
project, if you wish to speak, and are recognized by the Chairman,
please stand and identi£y yourself so that the stenoErapher can
record your name. Is there anyone present who wishes to
speak in favor of granting this change?
J. Mc~I~ULTY~ ESQ., Riverhead: ! represent the Corporation
of Dr. Barry Hellman and wife and lr~. George Ahlers and wife.
There are no other officers or stockholders. I will defer to
Dr. Hellman and i~. &hlers so that they can explain the project
in detail and show their exhibits.
later, i will be glad to answer.
DR. BAiQRYH~LLi~N, Southold:
~ d
If the coati has any questions
First, i would like to give
you a brief history of the project. It sva~ed about a year and
a half ago when George Ahlers purchased the property. He was
struck by the area as being suitable for the purpose we propose.
I would like to discuss our projected goals. Zt wil~ be in the
context of town houses in the area designated and wiZ1 be kept
under control of the corporation ~~_~.~.~2Le~_~e
can't proje~ct past that period of time. We are looking for a
long term gain, not short term. We are not planning to resell.
We do not intend to use public funding or Federal funding.
~ou~no_d Town Board -4- May 9, 1972
~Ye felt that there was a def'
~n.-.~e need for this project.
One of my reasons is that I see a number of senior-citizens who
Can'~t maintain homes and need mult~- ~
~p~e dwellir~ ,amirs. Even
though some are not in condition to drive cars or ~o their own
shopping, they are forced to drive to g~t into to~ and that
dangerous to themselves and to others.
~lso~ there is the need of newly-weds, some are teachers and
some work on Plum island, and they Would like a place to rent for
a year or two. However, the p~oject is essentially for senior-
citizens. ~fe feel that this is a pe~feot site. The property
within walking distance of town. (Mr. Ahlers will show yom aerial
views). It will be convenient for senior-citizens who can not
use a car and also for the one-car family when the husband
the ca~. It ts adjacent to the railroad tracks and to .&gway~
part of which is already zoned Light Industry. We hope to form a
buffer between industry and residential hoh~sing. The people
· nvolv~m in the immediate area are few as opoosed to more densely
populated areas. We intend to build a class project of town
houses. It will be aimed at middle class and will come in the
$200 to $300 ~o~ range generally. ~e have no ~.~nt~nt~on of
letting things get out of our hands as you may have seen in
R~er~_eam or so~e other areas. This will be~eo' ~ up as a olass
project and it is aimed mainly for senior-citizens who need
housing at this particular time. l.~e have heard from a number
~at~ fifties to the ~ ~ ~'
pe ~ ~
op~ in theirTM~
oeven~y-~zve year age group
The actual details will be gone into by ~L~. Ahlers.
~ou.~noia Town Board
~ - ~ Cutchog~e~
I~.~0RGE AHLERS~
May 9~ 1972
Before you tner~ is a model
and a schematic drawing of what we propose to build, What we
have here are ideas in terms of b~ilding apartment ~n~as that
look like town ho~ses. We don~t want what you have seen in
Riverhead that look llkeo~-~ied~ army barracks. ~fe w~l!
prob~a~-~ve bz, i~ sn~ng_.e~ clapboard, that will make it look
like a town house project, Because Barry and I want to retain
owneronzp for a long length of time we are interested in
building quality units. Each will be constructed so that
maintenance will be at a .minim~.m. '~e ~n,~ena to stay in the
area ourselves so we are concerned with what we put mp~
don~t want to put up and get out as fast as we can. ~ might
bring it to your attention that there have h. een four other
projects proposed to the Planning Board and none of them have
reached the official stages we have arri~ at. Soon~ or late~~
~outhold ~' ~ ~
w~ end up with au apartment house project. Because
we are local, and because we feel a responsibility te the
communlty~ we want to put something up tlaat 'we can be proud, of.
There is no intention, amd ! don~t think it would be feasible~
to put welfare people into this project. Our rent str,~cture is
such that it will ru~. from $200 to $300 for rental of each unit.
[Mr. Ahlers pointed out the location of the project, the &gway
building~ the Somthold Savings Bank.)
k~e are within ~00 feet of Main Road and fully one third of
our property is currently zoned commercial° The cros. shatch area
(referring to map) is currently zoned for commereial purposes.
Our property is abutted on the wester_~, side by existin~ business
~outhoid Town Board
-6- May 9, 1972
property, on the easterly side by C-! zoned &gway plant. To
our immediate north is residential property~ part of o.ar property
is zoned for residential and agricultural. The railroad tracks
are on the south side~ If you will look at the zoning map for
Eouthold Tovrn you will find that there are only two small parcels
zoned for MUltiple Dwelling in Southold Town~ One is Victoria
Co~tages in: the Bayview section, and the second is a small p~ece
at Cedar Beach. There are only two multiple dwelling areas iu
the hamlet :of Southold. ~fe feel that with commercial zoning on
one side and heavy business on another, it is logical ti%at this
this property would serve as a buffer. I think it is also logical~
in z~o!!owing this argument, that homes are not going to be built
(at least .quality homes) on one acre lots so, couseq~ently, i~
this land is developed into residential construction the homes will
be small and they probably will contain a considerable number of
school children.
When we considered the actual construction and design of this
project we went to ~ew York City and asked Roll Miller to do it.
He won au FI)R competition which happened to .have a $10,000 prize.
We considered many, 'many designs. The first one that was suggested
was a straight e~try into Youngs &venue. This was the cheapest
way of doing it but we felt that this was not what we wanted.
wanted something that would look nice~ that would be pleasant to
o~r tenant, s, and to the Town. We also oousi~dered coming into the
middle oua circular road. N'e ~ejected that as we did not want
people put in the position of having to cross roads.. We elected to
do it the imost expensive waN-, to put the road around the outside; and
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we also elected to keep the area as an open area. in Colonial
days this was a central square which was called the ~'~C0mmons~.
Wefelt this was appropriate, in this project we wili have a
swimming pool and a Club House. We also intend to have tennis
courts, shuffleboard courts, etc.
When we laid out the design it appeared that the, most logical
place to put the sewage treatment pl~._t~ was in the southerly
section of the parcel that abuts Agway and the railroad tracks
so we figured this was the best way of handling the problem.
~,s indicated on omr model~ it is als'o our intention to put
plantings in. Our intention has always been to be a good ~eigbEoor
to the people surrounding us. We sent letters to 28 people who
adjoin the property. W~ had a meeting with them last Tuesday
night when we explained our project. I can:t say definitely
that they are ~r~ us tonight but i think we did ~,z~y~'~'~ their
q~,estions and call. ed their fears as to what we plan to
i will give you a brief rundown on the apartment units:
We will build t~ee basic types'; studio apartments which comprise
~0~ of the total units (there will be l~ of these mnits)~ thel~e
will be 108 one bedroom apartments [the reason we are going to
have so many one bedroom apartlueuts is that we feel we are aiming
for senior-citizens and newly marrieds); and we will also hays
30 two bedroom apartments. This would give us a total population
of 331 people. There will be 153 apartment units broken down
into eleven buildings with approximately 14 units per building.
I would like to give you a quiqk comparison as to what
would happen if it stayed residential. 'We have Just under 23 acres.
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The square footage is 994,997 sq. ft. ~.fe feel that if it was to
remain in one acre zo~_mng you would have 20 new homes that comld
be put into this area. You would have a projected population of
100 people as against 331 in apartment buildings. The figures are
based on American Society of Planning 0fficials~] The number of
school age 'children that we could possibly handle in our project
would be l~ as against a total of 4~0 children in one family homes.
~:~ith tn~ project the valuation will be .$3~000,000 as against
abomt $800,000 for single family homes. The assessed valuation
will be $70,0,000 on ~altiple as against $184,000 on single family
homes. The~e would be $86,000 in taxes as against $24,000 for
single famiily homes. ~e will have $4~,000 'in school taxes as
against $12,000 for ' ~
s~no~e family homes. The cost for education
womld come !to about $4,~00 as against $±2~000 for students in
one family homes° Basically, what we are trying to say is that
this project will produce $;4~,000 in school taxes~ and with
$4, the Town or the school would have a
cost of education at ~00,
surplus of .$[!_0,~00 if this goes through.
We will not cost the Town any money. All roads will remain
~ ~ family
in the hands of the corporation. %~Yhereas, again, _~ one
homes are put in here the roads ~ dedicated and the Town has to
take over w~aintenance of the roads.
Article 12~ Section 1202 of the Zoning Ordinancs deals with
population density allowed under M-1 Zoning. The Article says
if you do not have sewage and water facilities you can build one
unit per 9,000 sq. ft. of total area. If you have sewage and
water you can build one unit for every 6,500 sq. ft.
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if you divide what we have in acreage you will come out with
1~3 units so that was how we arrived ~t the number we could put
On the ecole~y impact of this: c~rtainly if one family homes
are built on the project you would be Iputting iu cesspools and
cesspools depend on sand to purify th~ water. We have proposed
to put in a sewage treatment plant. ~he design ~st be approved
,..t ate
'by the 2uffolk County Environmental ~uzrol and the i~ew York ~
~r~viron~.ental Control. Equipment mus~ be approved by the Suffolk
County Department of Health and 2uffoik County Environmental
Control. The plant is completely odorless and noiseless. ~ie
plan to screen it from the project au~ from adjoining property.
All of the solid wastes are removed f~of,1 the property and taken
to the Town dump.
0n water: I can safely say thatll any water that goes back
in the ground' will be 100% pot~.ble soI there would be less danger
from what we are pla~ning to do. YouI could drink the water.
This unit is also monitored daily. ~Jll the records that go along
with this plant must be turned over ~o the County. There is no
chance of the plant going awry. We ~lould also have city water
available in front of the building. IThere wo~ld ~ee no drop in
wate~ pressure.
I think this is a good project.I ~e went before the Pls~uning
Board amd we got approval because we I intend to follow all the
rules and regulations and we intend ~o live by these laws and
rules. ~e want to be proud of this ~ro~ect and hope that the
Town Board will grant us our request~
Southoid Town Board
-lC-
~UPERVISOR iv~TOCCHi&: is there
wishes' to Speak in favor o£ granting t
i~. PHA!~Ifi k. STRA~SER, Yo.~ngs
r~ght across the street. I approve.
i~. ~ERTS P. EDSON~ Southold:
for lo. I think vhe economic impact
greatly appreciated. Mr. ~hler~s work
all over town, even h~s of~zce..
I~. ROB~.T CON~GSBY, Southo!d:
au older couple who can no longer take
want to stay in Southold. If there is
have to leave. Z think at our age it
to go away. i think we have a great
with Colonial Village b~.t it takes two
there, i think many others would be
!~. ~E}~ETH 1~:. YOUNG, Southo]_d:
'k
very definite sense, i would lz_._e to
I~q. GE~qGE AH~RS~ I wo~!d just
Dr. Hellman~s and my intention to star
number of units. We only intend to
However, we have t° project the total
will probably put roads in first and t
only as we rent them so we will not be
hurry to rent these units. Oar market'
there is a large market for this ~oype
buildings up one by one.
May 9, 1972
nyone else present who
.is change?
e., Southold: i live
i think there is a necessity
Southoid village would be
is of'very fine quality
e a~_~e in that category of
care of a house. We
no place to rent we would
s a terrible thing to have
ed. There is nothing wrong
or three years to get in
favor.
think the idea makes
ee it go.
.ike to add that it is
the project with a minimum
ld as the need arises.
roject to the Board. We
~en put the buildings mp
faced with being in a big
~ng study tells us that
~£ housiug~ We will put
~outhold Town Board
SUPERVISOR P~RTOCCHi~:
system?
-11-. May 9~ 1972
What aboht the size of the sewage
I~R. ~i!~RS: The plant would hav~ to be out up immediately.
it takes a certain amount of sewage t~ make
a
plant
work.
a
housing project the first ~0 apartmen s ~re on cesspools. As
soon as you reach ~0 you must put yom~ treatment plant up. We will
put the plant up but can not make the Ilplant work with a limited
amount of sewage. ~hat Z am saying i~ that the County ~ictates
what we must do. The plant has to go lup from the beginninE but
we can not make it work unless we hav~ a certain flow.
~Mr. &hlers was asked what would Ihappen if there were never
more than ~0 units)
i~. A~f!~RS: The plant will cost ~pproximately $i40~000
so i think it is obvious that we will ~ .
~ve more units To have
$140~000 sitting there doesn't make sense.
S~.UPERVISO~q i~TOCCHIA: Is there ~nyone else who wishes to
s.oeak, in favor o.~ g~ant~no this chan~e~
I~S. ?ZA~Y ~RTh~UR: Z think there is a need. i think that
elderly people womld rather that everyShing be on one floor.
l~o SBLLERS: The way the project ~s designed we would
have three or four steps up or down. Some are o~u grade level
in the front and ~n the rear. The number of people we would have
would be dictated by the Health Department. All of this is
dictated by the Health Department, we Have no say at all.
l~. F. k~o LEPORZN, Jr., Greenport:l i am in favor. Z am
not a resident of Southold village.
SU~R¥1SOR ir~RTOCCHI~: Is there a¼yone present who wishes
to speak against the granting of this change of zone?
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}~R. W. D. i~EI~, Youngs Avenue, ~outhold: I would like to
challenge the man who spoke about 500 Ifeet to the Main Road.
Was he figuring from the farthest sou~h, or the entrance, because
he said it would be easy for 'elderly ~eople to walk across the
railroad track and there are four hom~s and the bank before they
hit the Main Street. Also~ how many ~ears will it take to fill
so the sewage plant will work. in th,
to cesspools, i live on Youngs Avenu~
to the Main Street.
(.I~[r. Ahlers pointed out the loca'
~,~. A~LERS: Actually it is less
and perhaps it is another 500 feet to
meantime we will be subject
and I know how far it is
ion on ~he drawing).
than 500 feet to this point,
this point. To answer your
other questiou~ our marketing study i~dicates to us that these
apartments w~!l be 'rented in a very s~ort period of tim~.
I~. WE~L~S: What young people ha e $200 or ~300 to pay for
reut~
~. ~YLER$: My nephew is gettin~ married in another month
and they have just rented au apartmenlt and are paying $19~ per
month. One is working and the other one is going to school. I
do wish we could build these for~ss mo~ey.
~. DAV~ R. LU~!N, Pine Neck ~d., 8outhold~ 'W~nat about
parking for visitors in the area?
have one parking space for every apaz
for every employee (possibly a ~ss~.de
Iu between ~aoh building is a parkiu lot. There are four~.e~
zoning ordinance~ W~ must
tment unit plus one space
nt manager and a handy man).
parking spots for each building. A!lo, if you will look along the
peripheral road, there are cut-outs ~o that we can handle out of
· ~outhold Town Board
May 9, 1972
W~o will do the plo
It is our respon~zo
I have seen this ha
years they leave you with a big heada
on education are wrong.
i~R. ~?!L~.FS: The apartment units
one family houses will produce $12~00(
~ing?
ility to keep the roads clear,
ppeu in the west. in a few
~he. I think your figures
will produce Sk.~,O00 while
~. Based on these figures
this would give you a net oost of $30 per student.
$12,000 a year to educate forty child~
that would be for school taxes based
think we could ~uzld $40~000 homes in
~. LU~IN: I worked in the wes~
Hauppage. It did make a big 8ifferenc
You can come up with figures~ and I ca
figures. You are bound to inorease ts
welfare will pay $200 a month to put
it would cost
.eh. This is just the amount
,n $40,000 homes and I don~t
this area.
an~ I saw it ~estroy
e in the school population.
n come up with other
xes plus the fact that
eople i~ apartments.
I~. gHLERS: We only have 20% of the total number of units
in two bedroo~ apartments~ there are ~niy 30 of them. Our figures
indicate 15 children=
~. ALLE~ WOLPERT~ Consultant: ese figures were comp~_e~
by my office and have been used by Pla
followed the scope of Southo!d Commons
to make this a plus factor to the comm
apartments and a majority of one bedrs
three bedroom apartments. If you have
not going to encourage more than two p
~ning Boards before. %fb~n we
our ~ecof~zendation, in order
nnity, was to include studio
om apartments. We eliminated
studio apartments you are
~ople. A one bedroom
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apartment will accomodate two people.
standards controlled by your buiidin~
bedroom apartments you can anticipat~
children but the children will, in mc
age children. This does not mean
voic of children but the ages of the
not be a drain on the com~.nity~
May 9, 1972
You have occupancy
codes~ in your two
that you might have some
st instances, not be school
t it will be completely
children will certainly
I~L~. LU}UDIN: i am opposed. We h~ve a Master Plan. I feel
the Master Plan should be adhered to
we open the Pandora's Box how will we
We are not specu!a
You are opening the
Once you open
from the west?
We tried in Hauppage.
problems from now on.
~s much as possible. Once
refuse other speculators
tots.
door° You can not stop it.
that door you will have
DR. ~LLI~N: There is a large project going into Greenport..
It has already been opened up. The courts have said that you can
not limit your area to any particular
will stand behind you if you do provi
for people who need it. They san the
You can legitimately keep these thing
i~o LUhVDl~: Let's develop the a
type of housing. They
de some legitimate housing
a say that you have enough.
from growing.
~ea that we have allocated.
SU PEP_VISOR I~T CC CHiA: ~ / think tour
to the Board. We mo not answer quest~onso
~w~. CH&RLES HO~ES, Southold:
can't afford to pay $200 or $~00 ~ mc
have another Forest Hills.
remarks can be directed
We are here to listen.
am a senior-citizen and I
~th. Z am afraid you will
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~ ~M MN - a~ o '. ~
LA/~KELL. For ouv five ears ~he Planning Board
has been taikimg to us about keeping o~r a~ea in a ~urat sense
and they have designated some for commercial and some for homes
and upzoned to one acre, which affected many of us inclmding
myself but~ ~ felt i would live with it because it was the best
thing for Southoid. if this project is approved ~ will be the
first one to go before the Board and a
build this ~ -e
~yp of development. The
would be more of a benefit to ~outhold
We don~t have any industry and very li
pply for variances to
ndustrial portio~ of land
than two of these projects.
ttle industrial land.
When it does come it will provide job~, plus the fact that it
will not add school children. There s cue question that comes
into my mind: sewage gives off residu~
GreenDort dumped residue on a piece o~
project will dump it in the dump in C~
pollution now, and the Town has never
· don~t want to refute the builder or
think it would be in our best interes~
~'r~. D~NIEL J. CPIA~RI,?E~W'S, Youngs A~
Pie!!man and l~m. Ahiers bought this pr~
residential. We have business proper~
why they went to residential and agr
Yennecott have pride in their homes.
put into Federal or State welfare if
i object, I want it to stay resident
neighbors who are opposed to it, most
think private ownership is much bette:
that must be disposed of.
land in Southold. This
.tchogue where we have enough
done anything about it.
Dr. Hellman but i don~t'
S.
'e., 5outhold: When Dr.
.perry it was zoned
y in Town and I don~t know
ultural. Places like
The Town probably would be
project like 'this fails.
1. i have a lot of
ly on Youngs Avenue. I
?o
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street. I feel there would be too mu~h traffic coming to
Youngs Avenue. I also feel the schoo~ would be overcrowded.
Z believe it should remain as resident.
houses could be built. Yennecott has
was farm land.
F[4S. PAT AVERETTE, Youngs Ave.,
they think this is an undesirable loca
~. RUSSELL ~. I~LLGREN, JR.~ You
object to the traffic that would be er.
ia! property. Nice
eautiful homes and that
Southold: I don~t know why
tion for homes.
ngs Ave.
zendered. It will take
about 20 years for the trees to grow
apart~,~ent houses. Most of us on Youn~
we don~t know how this wa±_ pollute th
I imagine there is a Federal deal that
cost housing.
i~'~, C. W,~D GREGORY, Hortons Lan~
project is rauch too large for the ares
put that msmy people on 22~ acres is
believe the people of Southold want a
back door. The traffic will only coml~
we have now in the business section oi
apartments but i feel this is overpow~
and would influence the environment o~
meeting that we attended at the Gener~
there would be? an exit on Horton:s La~
the 12 foot right-of-way at the weste~
of-way can legally be used by people
acres. There£ore~ we could seek an i'
to the b_eight of the
s Avenue have wells and
e water table. If it fails
will guarantee fo~ low
~ $outhold: I feel this
it is occupying. To
ondensing it. I don~t
disposal plant at their
licate the traffic problems
town. i am not against
ring for the neighborhood
the whole territory. At the
i ~ayne Inn it was stated that
~e. They would have to utilize
~n end of this plot. The right-
.iving on that six and one-half
~junetion to terminate the use
~outho!d Town Board
May 9, 1972
of the right-of-way altogether. This
my land, the full length of it~ and
privacy on ~g lob and would depreciat~
][ wanted to sell it so i am against
pre sented tonight.
~-~. &NN& M. HORTON~ Horton~s La~
because i am worried about water and
Why not keep it private like it's alw
I~. P&UL STOUTENBYRGH, Cutchogue:
to the amount of water that your unit
of our vital resources, if we should
we would be overburdened.
~&q. ~ELERS: i will find out a~o~
would be used. Z am sure you know th~
proponent of what you are saying and
Board he thought it was a good idea.
~.Q. STOUTEh~Bb~RGH: If i could be
would be the only one my statement
The water supply is limited on the
~. GREGORY,: Can they take a 12
it into a public street?
l~Lq. ~PILEttS: It's not a public s:
the project do ~ot become p~blic stre~
Tuesday this is not imperative to the
feel we had it available and would
secondary access.
right-of-way paraile is
would deprive me of any
the value of my home if
~e project as it is being
~e, Southold: i a~ against
ewage, it ~s much too big.
~ys been.
Have you made a study as
would use? This is cue
have four of five more of things
~t the amount of water that
~t John Wickha~ is a fore~ost
zs Chairman of the Planning
assured that this project
!d not carry much weight.
.and.
foot right-of-way and make
;reet~ All the roads on
~ts. As ! told you last
project as such. !~fe did
it as egress. It is a
Boutho!d Town Board_ ~ -i8- ,~;~a-~_., ~ 9, 1972
F~k~. GREGO~3~: You understand ~ha~ the right-of-way is only for
six and a half acres.
~*~. AHI~R~: As I said, if the T~wn or the Planning Board docs
not feel it is necessary there is no
should use that but we thought it
DR. C~iUS H. ROBOHM, 2outhold:
~I~ckham I would like to ask a questio~
$outhold gymnasium I was told that th~
.mperative reason why we
_d relieve traffic congestion.
[n the absence of John
. I remember that at the
Planning Board was proud
to create one acre zoning, i don~t k~ow why thc Planning Board
has subsequently seen fit to enlarge ~he population ocr acre.
if it:s permitted once it will happen again.
~hq. JA2~S E. GgLI~GHER, Youngs A'
on Youngs Avenue my entire life and i
i~. JO~ CH~NEWS, Southold: I
(A suggestion was made fro~ the
made to have everyone sign his or her
are for or against the granting of th
~jPERVISOR i~RTOC'CH~: Everyone
speak, i~ you have submitted corresp
into the record.
ELLEN ~I~IN: Opposed.
DAV~ LU~$IN: Opposed.
BA~ ~ON~D: Opposed.
~. ~N TiEDR~, League of Wom~
that M-1 was a residential area.
R~%ERT TASA~R, ESQ.: i think y(
between single family residence and
l~!tipls residences are permitted in
re., Southold; i have lived
want it kept residential.
~ant it kept residential.
loot that a motion be
name as to whether they
is petition).
has am opportunity to
ondence that will be read
n Voters: ~y impression was
u arc making a distinction
~tti-family residence.
~outhold Town Board
IvRRS. STE?Ii~j~_TE CtiARNEWS: There
acre and I live right next door to it.
tvlq. J~.C SAFFER~ Cutchogue: i hav.
gentlemen. I am sure they mean well.
~iay 9, 1972
too many people per
no brief with these
It seems to be a fine project.
However, after our years of travail anN suffering we created a
Zoning Ordinance and we decided we woulld go slow in developing
the land. i think we should stick ver~ closely to what we have
p~t down. It might be suitable for otlher areas. You can not
deny people residence because they ha~e a child. ~ believe at
this particular time that it would be Iwrong to accept this
project.
~.
Mm~. Ah!ers abomt cesspools.
t would like to ask
~UPERVISOR i~.TOCC~!I&: ! think ~hat has been covered.
l~ GAliGHER: The Zoning Board claims that a p_zw~te
home can not put a cesspool in so man~~ feet from a well and ac
many feet £rom the house and a certai~ distance from the next door
have been in the plumbing 'cusiuess for a lone time.
neighbor.
!
!
'I~ve been drilling wells in Peconic, ~ast Marion and Greenport.
What's going to become of water when Iwe have cesspools next to us?
You are going to dump 300 people dow~ in on~. unit right there and
we will hays to suffer for it.
DR. DOROTIYZ ROBOHM, Southold: ~Ihen you put up multiple
dwellings you do not have metered wa.~er. This means a great deal
~ ~ t~.e drain. ?eo~le~ who
more water is u~e~ and more is goingldown
pay ~or their water ars more careful~
w~O '~ Southold~: How many buildings will
Southo!d Town Board
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go up at the start?
t~. Ah-LERS: I would expect that~ assuming we got our zoning,
we would start with two buildings. T~is would deoend on the
number of people~ we sign ~p immediately, if yon are talking units,
we would have about 28 apartments.
~. JOHNSON: How would you project your construction beyond
that~
than two years time.
Councilman Rich read into the re
signers of the tl<~vee petitions, as fc
Joseph Cain, Cutchogue
~lbert Austin, Cutchogue
Curtis Herren, Cmtchogue
Frank l~cBrill, Cutchogue
Thomas Shalvey, Cutchogue
l~s. V. Buyden, Peconic
Edward Berkoski, Mattituck
i~s. Albert Gowski, Cutchogue
Frank Long, Mattitnck
Barbara Leonard, Southo!d
!~[arion Gmndei, i~Iattituck
Lillian Bauer~ Peconic
Anna Horton~ gouthold
Marion Midgley, Cutchogue
john I~iurphy~ Peconic
Carol TSr_.~y, Peconic
Mary Miskie, Mattituck
Marilyn 8chroeder, Southo!d
¥irginia Eickenny, Cutchogue
Anna M. Hort0n~ Southold
Cynthia Co H. Campbell, Southold
George E. Kipp, Southold
George B. Jurge~s, Southold
Ann R. Donahue, Southold
~.[artin Leonard~ Southold
John Charnews, Sonthold
John Charuews~ Jr., ~outhold
~ ~. Terry, Southold
Margery W'. Terry, ~outhold
John I~!ou~gom~ry, Southold
mld be completed in less
cord the names of the
i!ows:
Opposed
~outhold Town Board
May 9, 1972
OPP 0SED
Belle D~ Montgomery, Bouthold
Nick Puvich~ S. outhold'
Paul Fabljanlch, Southold
Margaret Fabijanich, ~outhold
Peter Spiciarich~ Southold
Margaret 2piciarich$ ~outhold
Edgar W. Douglas, SoUthold
Rose E~ Douglas~ Eouthold
Flore~ce .DeHaan, Eouthold
Rudolph J~ DeHaan, ~outhold
~Dan~sl Charmews,
DanieI P. Grattan~ ~outhold
Mar~ E. Gr.attam, Somthold
Ange la Ras.o ~ ~ ~outhold
Jo~seph F~ Haso, ~outhold
E~ion G~ 2ie~son, Eouthold
.Ru~s~sl~ Ma~lgren~ Jr., $omthold
.LoUise Mal~gren, Somtheld
~lvah B. G~ld~mith, Southold
.William ~a~mou~ Southold
.ChaDles E. Grattau~ Soethold
J'~$phine G. Turne~ Southold
.0&2~herine R. Grattau, Southold
*E~.lsie Wolff, ~om~no!d
N~talie B. Coleman, ~outhold
~Pht.r~a &, Averette ~ gouthold
~MZry C~.saok, $outhold
Ma~:gs~, t - D ow~ Sou t ho ld
~ol~nda ~.. G~a~$an, Somthold
.J~:seph $atkoski, Southold
* Youngs Avenue
For the record:
In favor-
Opposed-
C. Ward Gregory~ ~outhoid
Norma Gregory, Southold
joseph F~agosic~. $outhold
Margaret Magosic~ S."outhoid
Ambrose N. Terp, Southold
Cabharine Terp~ $outhold
Mary J. Van Zandt~ ~outhold
Penelope G~attan~ ~o.
William Zukar, Somthold
Monica Grigouis, 2omthol~
Mary Grlgomis~ So~thold
.Lydia S. ~ilson~ So~thold
.Donald T. ] %~ilsoD~ . Southold
Thomas Morris~ S~ou. thold
~i~rk Charne.~'s, ~outh'oid
Alfred C. Fatkowski, ~o.
Lester Lit:tle, 8outhold
*Agues Sabkoski~ Southold
*&l~ert SaZmon~ Southold
Dwight M.~.~ea~ ~t, Southoid
*John Terp, S0mthold
*D~vld O. A~erette, Southold
Barney~Oat~s~ Pec~nic
*James E.~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~alla~e~., Southold
*Montoa G. Gallagher~
~W. ~. Wells~ Somthold
*~stelle A. We~ls, SoutholS~
Joseph E. Perro~ Southold
Leon~ M. Perro~
*Stephanle Charnews, So.
Letters were received ~om the following people:
~ir. Burr G. Lewis, t¥i~in Road, Somthold
I~. James P. tfmowles~ Peconic, ~. Y~
Elsie Hu~mel Wolff, o~ngs Ave., ~ou~ho!d
Cora G. ~toll~ Sound~iew Ave.f Southo!d
Theodore A. Stoll, S~undview .~ve., Southold
Daniel, ~tephanie~ JOhn C~a~nsws, Youngs Ave., So.
Jaraes & Monic~ Gallagher~ Youngs Ave., So.
l,L~s. Thomas E~ckenny~ Cutchogue
Martin J. ~onard, 59uthold
i~s. Anna M. Horton,~Horton~s Lane, Southold
helen G. Cochran, Main Street, ~.outhold
Hazel B. Mack~ Main a~iew Rd~ Southo!d
~outhold Town Board
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May 9, 1972
(Conrad) - Letters were received {rom the following people:
Opposed: Lester Little, Paradise~Point, 2outho!d ~
Catherine R. Grattan~ Y~ungs gvenue~ %omtmold
~ ~ .g~ ~outhold
Charles ~. G~at~an, Yout~ Avenue,
~g. D. Wells, Youngs
Eugene K. Dully,
Donald S. &'Lydia Wilsol
C. Ward Gregory, llSO H
L'. Myers~ ~outho!d
~gene H. Duffy for
~ue~ Southo!d
,~orest Hills, E~ Y~"
~, E'outhold
~rtom~s Lane, Southold
Alice Grattan Dully
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SUP~ERVISOR ~,~.~RTOCCHL~: Does anyoWe wish to speak in rebuttal?
°u
i~t. J. i~ct~ULTY: ! wish to point t to you that in most
these zoning applications we are deali~]g with change. Everyone
would ilke the status quo. In Riverhead there were two aoartmeut
complexes which were built. One was b~.ilt by local busi~$ssmen
and zs next to the hospital. It was bp. ilt slowly and graaually
and kept expanding, ttts a fineproje~t ana~ ~,~ ~ well used
well liked by the community. Across f~om the ~.. & P. there was
au apartment complex that was built by, someone who came in,
built it, got his money and left town.~ Frown Laurel to Orient
Point there is a need fo~ rental units. We ars iua unique area
where we have seasonal rentals. There are very few year round
rentals available. The Board will ultimately hav~ to approve
an apartment complex in the town~ the~e is a need for it, and
the Board must determine whether this project should be approved.
You have a local doctor and a local businessman who a~e willing to
back this project, and i think you ha~'e sufficient safeguards.
IU addition, the Board can impose certain conditions. The
project will contain a sewage treatme~t plant which is approved
by the Health Department. There se~m~ to be some opposition to
the sewage olaut but It will be right,next to the fertilizer plant
of A~ay so-i dontt think there cam be any serious opposition.
The hamlet of Southold is ideally sitt
They are trying to preserve the colon~
always opposition to everything that
it's healthy. We welcome questions a~
everything into conside~,ation. If th~
it must protect the com~nity by impo~
think of the fact that we do have cue
'increased amount of space that a pers~
a house, it is very difficult for yo~
.ated for an apartment complex.
.al atmosphere. There is
.s dons and it's good and
~d hope the Board will take
Board has any questions
ing conditions but-we must
acre zoning. There is an
,u ~ust purchase to build
,rig couples, t~ey must rent
s o~ep !a c e.
town and i urge that this Board favor
We. should have some apart~.~ents for our people in this
~'~- consider this petition.
l~s. Jean Tiedke read statement·
as follows:
League of Women Voters,
~outhotd Town Board
-23- May 9, 1972
Re: Hearing on the Nan-Pat Development
<hough the League of Women Voters had no o~fz~ia!~ 'a position on
this proposed development, we would li~e to make some
We congratulate the designers on getting away from the grid plan
and offering a more open pSan. We belSeve that several criteria set
up by town planners a~e being followed|i~ this proposal: It is
near a community center. It is a logical location for a rental
development designed to serve a wide rSnge of age groups, it will
probably not pres.out an i~ossible dra~n on our water supply.
The sewage treatment plant seems to beladequate. It will presumably
not put a se.yore strain, on our schoolst
However~ we do have some question4.
First~ It is a rare young couple indeed who could a~c~ such
rents. Likewise, it would be out of r~ach of many retired couples
of moderate 'income.
Oecond. The density, at approximately 7 units per acre, seems
unduly high. Planning authorities replort that a moderate return
on investment is possible with 4~- unitls per acre. Perhaps a
compromise could be reached.
Third: Is a swimming pool necessary? IWill this be a segregated
area, closed to other townspeople? H~w .much water will it use?
Fourth: The reduction in agricu!turaI land in t~is instance seems
reasonable. But what authority exist~ that can say .no to future
inroads on agricultural lands for dev~loomsnt ourpos~-~? Each
application seems to be considered as|an-isola~ed ease,-without
reference to others that will surely ~ome~
Land use is a practical as well as a Dhilosophlcal question: water
supply, schools ~ highways and byways,|~etlands, farming land as
well as other criteria must all be considered when developmeat
plans are offered. Who is considerin~ what is the best over-all
use of our various types of lauds in Serms of the present and
future population of the entire Town?I We certainly do not have
all the answers. But since it is in~$viduals who make up this
Town's population, we believe that th$ir best interests w~st bs
considered.
(~igned) ~s. Ken6eth Tiedke, President
League og ~Jo~-aen Voters of Riverhead
I~45. JE~I~ T_.vE'D~: ! believe tha$ the courts are sayiu~ that
every co~arauuity ~aust provzme a variety o~ housing. Is ~t ooss~ble
for the Town Board to say '~look; we h~ve enough apartment ~ouses.
We don:t want any more?
Ro. oE.~ TAS.~f{~ mS~.. ~es, Z won d say so. This question
would have to be decided by the Town ~o=_~v- which is the policy making
Town Board
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Board. In the first instance, they mai
there was litigation the courts would
reasonable zoning of the Town of ~outh
reasonably.
i~. L~J~iN: I believe this will
New York -~tate building code. I belie
May 9~ 1972
the d~czslons. Assuming
~ave to pass on the
~id. They have to act
~ave to adhere to the
re it supercedes local law.
ROBERT T~tfER~
State law~ to which municipalities haw
to that, Southold has a housing code
for all types of housing.
fire walls, etc.
laws.
ROBERT T~5~R~ ESQ.:
MiSS V~GiI'~iA MOORE:
There is a r~uitipie residence law,
to comply. In addition
~ich sets minimum soaud~rds
I believe there are
This all comes under
That is cor~
I think
worked up a very attractive plan. Z t}
Brecknock Hall because this is right w:
rip everything apart by setting up anol
It is apparently a good way of putting
least amount of space, i 'would like t
it becomes when you have this kind of
land where water s~pply is so limited.
protecting the water supply, decreased
we have to feed more people than an~n~he
for the population density? Holzmacher
recommendations sai8 that we can't sup~
per acre.
ertafn stipulations as to
New York State residence
,eot.
Ahlers and Dr. Hellman have
~ink it is better than
,thin the village and won't
iher village somewhere else.
housing up to take up the
know whose responsibility
ensity thrust on a £ragiie
Who is responsible for
amount of land left where
re else. Who is responsible
, McLendon & Murrei in tkei-~.~
crt more than cue family
~outhold Town Board -2~- ~ l~ay 9, 1972
i~S. gRT~tIR~. I think everyone woiuld be happier if it were
cut down in half as far as the number o£ people are conce~ued~
~JPERVZSOR ~'~TOCCHI~: Are there auy other questions?
(There was no response.)
~UPER¥~SOR i~igP~TOCCHI&: Thank yo~ for coming out this
evenip~. The Board will adjourn at this time aud make a
determination at a later date.
Yo~g~ A~¢~
· /' So.t4old, N. Y. ~. ~. 9 71
}.~y 9th. 1972
/
Hon. Albert Y~rtocchia, SupervisOr
Town of Southold, L. !.
Southold Town Board,
To~.m HeZ1, Greenport
Dear Sir:
Be advised that, as s tax-~lyer~ I am
opposed to the granting of a cha~ ge in tho Code: rat~_ug
to Code: '~, for the area. under discus'sion at this
meeting. The so called, Southoli Commons Project, of
approx. 22 acres; Bounded on the east by Youngs~ Ave.,
Hort$~u' s Lanes on the west. and p~ivate properties on
north and south, should not~ be allowed.
Our present zoning - ~. for private dwelling~
c~alls for one acre per property,t
/
If this'. Realty Housing promotion should be
gr~uted~ they propose to build h~using for apDromima~e-
ly 150 zanilies ~lthin these 22 ~cres. Normally and
with special dispensation, can o~ly sup~o~'~ 40 families,
on ½ acre lots.
The overload on prese]
will result -~u a down-gradinE of
Again I r~peat, I am
~% streets and road~r~ys
the entire' area.
,pD~sed to the suggested
zoniz~ change, to accommodate th%s
project.
FRANK W. ABRAMS
MAy 9, 1972
Mr. Albert Martocchia
Supervisor Town of Southol~
Greenport, N.Y.
Dear Mr. Martocchia:
The local newspapers desc~ .be a type of
modern apartment project ~hich is pro-
posed for building on the wqst side of
Youngs Avenue, Southold. /
/
This project is, more or l~ss, an experi-
mental development and I am writing to
you as a Town official to propose that
because of its experimental~ature it be
limited to one third, or at 1.~ast not more
than one half of its propose¢ size to
enable the community to determine what
class of people such a proj¢
Should it Iai] in its initial e~'
proposed space would doubt
riced to a less desirable
community deserves. 0~ tl
if successful, it can be exp
size of the initial design.
FWA:mh
ct would attract.
~timates the
Less be sacri-
ment that] the
te other hand,
reded to the
lcerely yours,
~ Jf ,'.,; /
ank W. Abrams
Young j s Avenue
Southold, New York
May 9, 1972
Gemt lemen:
I wish to ask you to withhold your approval of the plan~.%ed
apartment project on Youngs Avenue in Southold.
As a senior citizen, the increased traffic in the area would
be very detrimental if not dangerous to my person.
I am also afraid of the increased (and unavoidable) pollution
engendered by such a large population center.
I have always enjoyed the rural aspect of $outhold for the
past 82 years (having lived on this street all of my life) and am
fearful that the increased tax expens~ caused by such a project
would financially endanger my preserving my home as I live on a
very small pension.
As a vo~er whom you represent, I hope you defeat this project.
Sincerely, ~ ~
Elsie Hummel Wolf~
To: The Sout.._old Town Board
From: The League of ¥Jomen Voters cf Riverhead
re: Hearing, Hay 9, 1972 on the Nan-Pat Development
Although the League of Y'omen Vdsrs Rae no official position on this
proposed development, we would like to m~ke some eo~ments.
Ye con.gratulate the desirers cn gettingaw~y from t~e grid plan and
offering a more open clan. ~e believe that several criteria set up
by tokyo olanners are bein~~ followed in this propos~%.~' It is near a
community Center. It is a i~ical location zor a~velopment de-
signed to ~e~e ~. wide range of ~ge groups. It will probably not
present an'impossible drain on our wmter supply. The sex~ge treat-
ment plan seems %o be adequate, it ~ll presumably ~ot put a
'~~razn on our sc~~. ~
However~ ~e do have some questions.
First: It is a rare young ~ouple indeed w~o could afford such
rents. Likewise~ it would be out of reach of many retired, coupUes
of moderate income.
Second:~ Th~ density~ at approximately 7 ~nite per acre, seems unduly
hmgh. ~- autno_m~ze~ report tt~ a moderate return on investment
is possible with ~ units per acre. Perhaps s compromise could be
reached.
Third: Is a s~dmming pool necessary? Will this be a s~gregated
area, close~ to other townspeople? how much w~ter will it use?
FoUrth: The reduction i~ agricultural land in this instance seems
reasonable. But what authority exists that can say no to future
inroads on ag~.icultural lands for develooment purposes? Each appli-
cation seems to be considered as an isolated case, v~thout reference
to others that -¢i ll surely come.
Land use is a practical as well as a phi!oso~hical ouestion: water
supply, sohools~ higkways and byways, ~ettands~ f~rming land ~
ss well as other criteria must al! be considered whe~ development
plans are offered. 5~he is considering what is the best over-all
use.of our varicu~ t~es of lands i~ terms of the present and future
population of the entire To%~? ~e certainly do not have all the
answers. But since it is i~div~duats ~vho make up this Tovou's popu-
lation, ~ we believe that their best ioterests must be considered.
[rs. Kenneth Tisdke
President
Leag~ae cf ~omen Vo~ers of
Riverbead
Box 1103
$outhold, I~.Y. 11971
HO'N° ALBERT MARTOCC~XA
Supervisor of the Town of Southold~
an4 ~([,mmbers of the Soutbold Town Board.
%¢e~ the neighboring property ovmers, and residents
of tb.e Town of ~outhoid~ d,efinite!y object to the deveioome~t
or down-zoning of the twenvy-two (22) acre parcel of lan~
situate on the, westerly side of Youngs kvenue~ in the Village
and Town of Southold~ County of Suffolk and State of New York,
from A and C zoning to ~. zoning.
Further~ that we firmly believe that it will not be to
the beou interest of the Co~munity~ or the He4r~let of the Village
of ~outho.[d.
?~Z~E 2 - ~T2TIO$~
(Con%inmed)
(Con~znued)
NAM~
STREET
VILLAGE
(Contznu~d)
VZLLAG___~E
HOI~. ALB~T- ~ .... TOCCHI_~
Sz~.,vervisor~ of t__e'o Town of Southo!d~
and Hembers of .the South6!d Town Board:
We, the neighboring property owne.$?~ and residents
of the Town of Southold~ definitelF- object to the develop~ent
or down-zoning of the twenty-two (,~2) acre parcel of land
situate on the westerly side of Youngs Avenue~ in the Village
and Towm of Southold, County of Suffolk and State of New York,
from A and C zoning to H. zoning.
Further~ that we firmi-y believe that it will not be to
the best interest of the Co,re,unity, or the Hs~Nlet of the Village
of Southold~
.
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3 2(i; 37 54
4 21 38 55
5 2 2 Db' :, '-~
5 2 ~ z~O .;:.i;-':: 57
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1 0 27 ¥4 61
1 1 28 a,5 52
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Mr. Albert Martocchia
9upervisor~ Southo!d Town
Dear M~. Martocchia~
We are writing w~ith reference to the recent
request for rezoning of ~e Southold property
owned by~r~ ~ C~or~e Ahiers a~d~. Dr. ~arr~ ~He_±man,~ ~
~ae Nassau-Suffolk Comprehensive Development
Pla~ ~hasi~e$ the fact/tha~ as our area ~evelops
in accessibility it will Erow and along ~th Ero%~h
will come the need for good housing, both apartments
a~d homes~
The plan put forward st tbe public hearing
provides both attractive apartment homes snd open
land for recreabiono We believe that there is a
necessity for this type of housing now~ and the fact
that the o~mers live in the Town of Southold is in-
surs~ce ~hat the apartments w~!l be well built and
well maintained.
ifs objeo~ to the ona~e of zoning o~
v,~ ......... A,ve~ue o~: whion George Ahtez'~
fail ~ .... ~ .........
:' ..... To'~6~ of Sou'thold os, ssed zor~i~
o:~ly .......
...... Lie 'the b,, ~"~
County Center
RIVERHEAD, NEW YORK
Telephone 727-4700 - Ext. 241 .
A. JOHN WILLIS
Personnel Officer
Soundvlew Avenue
Southold, New York
May 9, 1972
Zoning Board
Town oE Southold
Southold, New York
Gent lemen:
We wish to make a point of our objection to the planned
apartment project on Young's Avenue in Southotd.
We feel that a 300 person complex would have a very bad effect
on the local water table.
The sewage and cesspool loading from such an area would also
affect the water purity.
Any monetary gain Co the town tax-wise wOUld be more than off-
set by the additional services required from the town from such a
group of people.
Finally,most people who come to the east-end because of larger
zoned plots, and for the beauty of our rural area as it now exists,
have no wish to be adjacent to a comparatively dense population area
in the middle of this town.
We request that you, as our governing representatives withhold
your approval of this project.
Ver~ truly~ yours~
Cora G. Stoll
Theodore A. Stoll
SOUTHOL_ D _COMMONS
Pro err Descri tion
On one side of the property are railroad tracks.
An Agway Supply Store abuts the ~)r'operty along Railroad
Avenue,
f portion of the parcel is in a 'O~ district and surrounding
the proper~ty along Route 25 and Route 27A are 'B~ districts.
Our- request is for- the I:~oar-d to consider' an extension of
the adjacent IE31 distr`ict zoning to include this property,
The Plan
Southold Commons is a Planned Rental Apartment Community
pr`oposed to contain 153 r`ental units.
No. of Units ~artment
Es_ tjmated Renta~l
15 Studio 10% $~,00
108 1 ~--b edroom ?0% 250
3,...~.0 2,-b edr'oom 20% 300
153
Anticip_at~e. d O¢~
No, of ._Uni~,_s ?~A~L
~ of Residents
,~ntioipated # of
_School aged childr'en
15 Studio 19
108 l~bedr`oom 237 (2o20}
3._.~0 2-bedroom ?,$
153 331 1.5
All figures ape based upon studies of the AmeC-ican Society of
Planning Officials (School Enrollment by Housing Style).
A_ Co?.parative Ana.lys_i__s
_Ap aP.tments
Total number of units
Ro ads
_1. Family_
Pr-ojected Population
Number' of School Aged Children
Recr¢atinn Ar'e~
::'T'OL,~I I_:.,.tir'...-:ie,cl Value
'l'oh.I [,;xc::,
N~,i C~.-i ~i ~t'.uc~ding ~tudent
~,!~ool 'i',jx ~url.'~...I.~
153 2,0
None To accommodate
o~e acr'e homes
331 i00
15 /40
Yes None
Yes None
000 ~, 000+ $800,000
?00~,000+ 184,000
86,000+- 2,3~0004-
45,000± 12,0004.
4,500± 12,3000±
40~500± 0
" Il ;- ~.-,,~<'...lc(.' Lhat the value of the rental apar-tment commumity~
~..-;(),,;'".¢)N' Cc,,: ,.:)r;.,., will be oven $3 million (.153 units x appr-oximately
.~i;20~000 "~,r' :j:'~il). If a conventional pr-oject of one family homes con,-,
.i.,t~,"iCi ¢~t 20 ~h'li,-; ,-~t $40~000 a unit wer'e built, this would pr-educe an
$500.000 v,'~.,.,c, Therefor-e~ based upon the 2,3% equalization r-ate in
II.;c ,~t'c,,., J',;c ,';...,....c:.'..'sed value of the apar-tment complex would be more
,h~:.'l .~?00~000 ~v.'-i~c, that of the one family homes would be $184~000.
T()\v'.'l, ..c.:'lu()l:, cuu;'~ty and special distr'ict tax r'ate is $12,.39 per' $100
ol :...~._:o.~,..',e<i v,.d.lli[i~n or $86~730 fop the apartment community vs.
$~3~()00 ;of ~'-~ o,~c family homes. Of this amount, the apar'tment uni[s
~\.¢~,d<': i~r'~}(:~,(,'.c $45~000 in school taxes while the one family homes would
i')."o(I,I(:(:. $12 ,(JO0.
A ..... ~,,.'.';~l!.! ;[ :,()~;I ."l;i ~2,00 per year' to educate a student for which the
~,'~i~: .~r'o\,id..'., .'.bout ?5% aid~ this would mean the r'e would be a net
o,'.-i ,;i' ¢300 ~)~:,' -.ludent..for-:~e_ducafional costs., If .the ~tr;ober' o~ school
i:<.1~: ~:hil(!r'~,r~ :l d',~ one family homesds 40~ it would cost about $12,,000
~.'. ycnn Io (,c:','¢;,:,~-., ,hem. That is just the amount of school taxes pro~
,, i(,,:;(J ',0¥ Lh~., '.:;~c[:".'ff.~ieo
ii )\%'~-'x.,t.:.:"j ih4: ,-~;)¢ir'~ments would pr'oduce $45~000 in school taxes while
c~) ;tioj c.~. ne'; ..'.'~;',',o~.~rlt of $4,500 to educate the 15 students living in the
,:;~,',",,-',n[w~ Iv'av"nL! a sur-plus of $40~500 in school taxes°
.cf
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ME I HSV O
: ~t".:,'~ ,/' HAZEL B. MAP. K
; ~:~'~- ,~'~' MAIN BAYVIEW ROAD
i'~ ~]~ ~' SOUTHOLD LOND ISLAND
~'~ /~ ~ ~ ,; , ,,. ~
HAZEL 8. MACK
~OUN~L~O~ AT LAW
~OUTHOLD ~ONG N~W
~ ~ '.-'~.
Yovangs Avenue,
Southoid, If.Y. 11971
~my 8, 1972.
Hon. Albert ~'lartocchia~
Supervisor of tb.e Town of' Souohola~
Greenport, New York, 11944
Dear Mr. Martocchia:
We wish to e~_pre~s our a__~p.~.s~i~t~.p~.~to the use of
the Zract of 22 acres of land sit~_~ate o~ the westerly
side of Youngs Avenue, Southold~ for any other purpose
bhan i-bs ..~resen2 zoning, or zoned residential.
As fam'~ilies with children are to be allo}~ed to
red, u, the schools will be over~crowde.d and. will n.scessitate
.build. i~ag larger schools and at the taxpayers expense°
Further, there is a large, parcel of vacs~nt land directly
across the stree~ f~om our proper~.y on Youngs Avenue. If the
22 acre -oarcei in question for' change of zoning at the present
tlr~e is granted "M"' zoning, and if the owners of this t~-act of
land ac.~oss fro~ our property :should make application to have
their ~roDer-~y rezoned to ~. i~ surel-j~ would mean tn t they
would ~e an'titled to '%[" zoning as %-~e!l as the property now
owned by George Ahlers and Dr. Barry Hell~.~a~.
We strenuously object to .the above-~entioned Droperbv
owned by George Ahlers and Dr. Barry Heilman being~zoned
Respectfully,
DONALD S. WILSON
P. O. BOX 71, SOUTNOLD
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::5 b Cu '
· J TURNER I. r ~w~' ~o~g di~afis' ~ - ~.
I$~ LWERMORE, CafiL, April ~ Pinale, El CerH[o and
l-- Frus~..,.ated suburbanites,:fax ",ail votcd ag,.~in~/: zoning
ISqueezed by riuffs of home~ehan~e.~ I. ha~ wo[O~'bave
J?x'Sl~Pments ~md ange~d bv,erea~ed no)W-,.~-' ....
~eem~m~ public service~, ha~,b'~.~ ~.',." .' .,~.,,.. ~eus~gv. ~u,
· '.. ., 'Z .' ' .u~ff ~,,,.,a. otg~ - r . .
~];~*~ ,,ma..3h~ mat w I hmJr ,.' la,OvO m I,o.cl~ to nuy
--l,m.r:Icr budding uutil facilkies,roles of open space
refx~c in Scrve.new popuff~l.i~.. 'woad, with ~ poi~t,l[Uon
',/~ay. It faces cou~ challen-es~p~ ~u~5 mw [~t would haveJ
t~lfrom a r~l estate develon~;s'[~;"~[~,me town s populationJ
:~-~:'~ c,, ,2~...~ .,, ,., ~'~JO3'~r~a%oo for th.,.,: ,-~
y'ilim~ ..... ~ ~,,~,4.~ea by the rand
~-[ 'i'b¢ init ~*~ .... COtl~tttlCrlrn , I: s'bdi i~-,.'~
?[?ampafgn that a.!:~o ~aw [[b,,12?J;~''', -,,coramg t.o ~arsnus
!t Count ] of two candldat~,~ whXh
~-Lad supported the initiative
~lT'6.o candidates who
~-]it were deteat~ '
Oiaddefi poptflatioa.
: ~ Conditions ~e Defined
[: :~is s,hut.~f ~ come
~Y'of t~ ~n~fions e~s~:
ia 1. Double sessions in public
. schools.
~. Failure of sewage troatmoat
P'ph~ m meet regio~ai
' qu,mty standard. ]
~. gal.inni~g of ~vater au~nliesl.,
to cx~st~ng papulatk t .'"
On the day that Li~'ermore[
Y~t~ apPro~ ~e. restrictive[
m~tmtive, adjacent :Pleasan~nu]
~uiopted one just like it, and[
California also voted in
AlBert Mar ~occhia,
Southold Town Supervisor
reenpo_h~ };~Y. 11g44
1180 Horton~s Lane~
Southoid~ N.Y. 11971
Dear I~r. ~a~?tocchia:
With refe?ence to the penditng request by Mr~ George
Ahlers and Dr. Barry Hellman to r,szone their Southo!d
property on Youngs A'~ena~e to ~. General ~.~ultiple ~esi~lence
District, I wish.' to express r~:y opposition to grant such a
request by the Southoid Town ~o~'d'2 ~
It is not tlae fact that i a~s opposed to n~ultip!e dwelling
but to the plans to p]~ace 153 apart~_ents on this iocaziono With
all bh.e land we ha-~e in Southold.~ I don~t belie~:e it is necessary
to condense approximately 400 people on 22_-1/2 acres of !mad. -i
further believe this project would p~edorai~aate the surro~m~di~g
environz?_ent and unfavorably influence the proper-ty values of ex-
isting residences ~
It is r-~y opinion that this large development would ~make
Yoz~nEs Avenue totally inadequate i,c handle its traffic in and out
of the grozuads~ This additional hea~y traf~?ic will just add to
the ~any pa~king probler~s now existing in the $outhold business
district, particularly ~ the Post G-f£iee area° The plans for
this development indicates an exi.t', street to Hort, on~s Lane~ To
acco~plish this it wou~ld be necessary to use an e~:isting 12 foot
r_ight-o_f--way_. Tlsis right-of-way legally cam~. be used only by the
peo~'ie who will reside on the 6-1/2 acres to which the right-of-way
is deeded to. Any o~hertraffic on this right-of-way will be in
violation to its use and an inju~ction could ter~:inate its use all
together~
.To ha~e a sewage disposal plant operating at the back door of
the Village is not the ~ost desirable condition° This most certainly
devaimat~tb.e adjac~ent p~operties~
· I an~ ~ost certain that a more' desirable plan could be devised
to provide additional housing in the ~a of Southold and in ~ie~
sf the above reasons~ I again wish t~'~t~a~ that ! a~u opposed to
grsmting a ~ zoning to the property in qt~estion,
Southold,N.¥.l1971
May 8, 1972
Hon. Albert Martocchia
Supervisor of the Town of Southold,
Oreenport,New York~ 11944
Dear Mr, Martoechia:
The following is a list of objections to the
proposed change of zoning and construction on property
owned by £~orge Ahlers and Dr.Barry Hellmsn on West
side of Yo~ugs &ye, Southold,N.Y.
Southold has inadequate facilities to satisfy
the needs of so many added residents.
This will cause too great a concentration of
people on such a relatively small piece of land. Buildings
in a large n~mber and people will destroy the natural
beauty of the area. Perhaps sewerage and traffic problems
will also be created.
Overcrowding of local school may result since
no restriction can be placed ~on the number of children
in each ~uito
Pinally, as I ov~ a home and property on Youngs
Ave. and ~n interest in property on Horton's Lane adjacent
to the site oi' the propesea const~uctmon ± objec~ ieelmn~
that the ~ '~' ' ' ~ "
vazue o~ r~hese prop.e~tzes w~_ll deprecmate.
Respectfully,
Ca therine R. Gratts~m,
Youngs Average ~
SouLhold~ New York~ 11971
l~ay 8th~ 1972o
Hon. Albert ~[artoc~hia~
Su.per~Tisor of the Town of $outhold~
Greenpor~ New York~ 11944
Dear }~lr~ }[artocchia:
Please be advised that as a property owner on
Youngs Avenue~ 8outhold, across t~he street fror~ the
planned pro~ec~.. ! must render an objection ~o it~
In my esbim~tion the crowding of seven (7) family
u~its per acre is ~.noa!!ed for in the Village of
Soufhold~ and it could well. lead to a serious ~raffic
problem~
It would seem to me that this project is not for
the ~ood of the oo~unity.
Re s pe ctf~liy ~
Charles E o GrattaN.
ROAD, SOUTIIOLD, N. Y. 11971
Phone (516) 765-3416
I~LEMBER: Long Island Real Estate Board, lac.
National Association of Real Estate Boards
National Tnstitute of Real Estate Brokers
New York State Association of Real Estate Boards, I~zc.
May 8, 1972
Mm. George Ahlers
Cox Lane
Cutchogue, N.Y.
Dear George:
Have read with interest of your propos-
al for colonial - style town houses. There
is a g~eat need for something of this type.
Unfortunately everyone is not in a position
to buy a house, but they do require a place
to live and therefore must rent something.
There are' practically no year round rentals
available.
Using a 23 acre site with sewage dis-
posal and puOlic water show good planning
and should meet with Board approval.
I wish you success.
Sincerely,
Burr G. Le~-~d Jr.
EUBENE H, DUFFY, ESI],
May 5~ 1972
Mr. Donald S~ Wilson
P. O. Box 71
Southold~ N. Y~ 11971
Dear ~r~ Wilson=
Thank you for your letter of April 27th.
We would respectfully suggest that you attend
the hearing on May 9th at 16 South Street~ Greenport~
New York.
Yours very truly~
John Wickham~ Chairman
Southold To~n Planning Board
James P. Knowles
Peconic, L. L, N. Y.
11958
1972
After viewing the model and plot plan of the proposed
development of the area morth of A~way and west of Rail-
road Avenue, I hope you will consider the application for
a change of zoning favorably. The plan indicates a sensi-
tivity to the historical and aesthetic qualities and trad-
itions of the town.
The planning, construction end maintainance cannot help
but contribute to the economic life of the community. Its
location will crests no transportetion problems or over-
loaded traffic arteries, Its engineered sewage disposal
system will he a great improvement over cur existin8 cess-
poot~. The size of the individual apartments cannot over-
burden the existing sohool system.
The merchants and the population will surely benefit by
the addition of this well planned residential community
owned and operated by local resident~. I would like to
commend it to you for your favorable consideration.
Yours truly,
James P. Knowles
Peconic, L. L, N. ¥.
11958
1972
Dear Supervisor ~rtocchia=
After viewing the model and plat plan of the proposed
development of the area north of Agway and west of Rail-
read Avenue~ ! hope you will consider the application for
a change of zoning favorably. The plan indicates a sensi-
tivity te the bistoricaI and aesthetic qu~li~iea and trad--
ttions of the tawn.
The planning, construction and ~aint~inance cannot help
but contribute t~ the economic life of this community. Its
l~cation will create n~ transportation problems or over-
l~aded traffic arteries. Its engineered sewage disposal
system will be a great improvement over cur existing cess~
pools. 'me size of the individual apartments cannot over-
burden the existing school system.
The merchants and the population will surely benefit by
the addition of this well planned residential community
awned and Gperated by local residents. I would like to
commen~ it to you for y~ur favorable consideration.
Yours truly,
DONALD ~. WIL~ON
P. O. BOX 71. 8OUTHOI.D
DONALD S, WIL'~ON
O. BOX ?l, $OUTHOLD
' A ~ ~ i
VALENTINE W. STYE
MAIN ROAD
MATTITUCK, NEW YOR~ 11952
Telephone: 298-8481
April 26~ 1972
George Ahiers
5qugene Road
.C, mtchogne ~ New York
11935
To Whom It ?,~v ~ ~-~ o
There is a ve~ accute shori;age of
Not only would th±s include
apartmen$s~ but ail year round homes~ I would say in our
three locations~ that 'the demand exceeds the supply~ by
~ ..'D.s'%Te ,L,J ,.
V¢?S/bj
~a_den Apartments ~%y be the
Perhaps ~ ~ ,
Very ?~zu_,y yours
, , ]NOTICE OF HE %R INGS
q.D. ZO.NING ORDINANCE ~ '~ ,
p~stmnt ~o Sectmn 265 of the ; :=-~
Tou~n Law'find Article XVI. ' '
al~ kno~ as Yo~ AvenUe
S~flou.f600of fl~e ~ilding Znne ~ [ 5marking the intersection of the~ ~OL~
()rd~uknce of the' Town of' ~ ~dUtherly line 0f::l~d how or.~ , [
Snu~hO{ff,,:Suffolk cram'fy, New '~Ormefly of charn~ws ~ith ~he ~WE~ YOR~, j
liue of said RailrOad
York, ilub[ic hearings will be held
by th~ $oulhold Town Bbfird in
tile o£ticb of'the Superxfisnr, 16
Sou.Ih 'Sff~e/ Greeuport, Ne~
~'. in said Tovq~ on the 0ih day
o~' 'Ma'v. I972. on the-following
proposes to mend the B~ng
Zone Or~nance dncln~g the
:Bulling Zo,e Maps~ of the To~
et ~outhold. Suffolk Co~W. New
v~rk:
Avenue also known as Youngs '~'~'t .¢, .DOy!v. ai2 being duly Sworn,
Avenue and from said point 'of ...............
thence South fl h~ is Printer and Publisher of the SUFFOLK
s 3o seconds [ ....
IMES, a published ut Greenport, in suid
newspaper
that the notice, of which the mmnexed is u printed
468?0, feet to a point and ~en published in the s~id Suffolk Weekly Times
, land nowor formOr{~> 0f Maici.:
,,?:3ti P.M. ,E.S.T.). by ,- running 11,o ~ ahm'g sui,i asi '~ weekr :~1' p,r~e weel~
enm g ng from "A" Res don a mentioned land ........ ' ' '- ' ..........................
- ; · · · i o ooumYa eegree~ .
ao,d,Agncuhm'al Dtstr~et lo "B- '?'53 n Ii s 20.deco,ds Wes :12 o ' oommoncina on ~he . tweD:~ie~h ..
1" Gbneral Business D st 'let the ~; 't .......... ' ..... ~ .....................
Lots 1 4 and 5 .on Ma of ~ ~/- =~-
. P ,~ence alert l~d. now , -
~ash ,~oa Heghts attate at ,, l~merl' of Av ............ '~' 4 ..... ~:.~S
· ~ y ex'e;t the IOllOwlng ff
· ~0cemner 29 192 File N0 '~ 651 ' ~ ..... ~ ,, _ , , · /~~ ~JB~ ~te'~, .....
......... ::. - ,~ ~ ,,m. a,nl land now ur Iormerl~ n, Comm~ssmn ExQ.r~s ~,arch ~ , ~.~
'- ' , ,I, q e~n; r~mng.thence ~ong ..........
South and 115 toot on the We~t - '
. ' - - ~ ~a~d last m~Qoned~and South 7~ tNnrih 76 de~rees 22 minutes 20
dhan~h,o c,,n., ,.a- u~,~..2, ;}~ ;:,;~.~ ' minutes 20,.seconds secunds East 567.10 feet to the
I ..:(, ~ght [ndt strum D sw ct to ,i iLin-o A ....... ' ...... ~.~,,k, _ ~; ~ype~son des g ;
,. L;-.5 -':--~. .......... ~.- $ f~t~ee ~3)~ eo~ses and distances ~uents shoMd appear at the time . .
~e.~e D~,~¢. th~ P?~N'~-.Il. ;:? Seam 74 de~rees 04minutes :40 ~d ~iace so ~&med-
'' ' , ( ~ ~ATDD April 11 1972
.Southold. New 5ork. a ~d more II South 5 L d~-rees 22 minute~ ,~ .
~ t cularlv bounded , and S~ond ' '
. ,, ~ s East 389 I7 feet and (3) - -
'described as follows. ~ .... .,~_. ~ , SO~HOLD TOWN BOARD
~. . . ~ : - · - ~ ~ ~outn ~7nogrees 21 miun~es t0 ~ ~uR<uww RICHMOND
g llnlng al a polH{ on [~0 ~' · ':
HJ .......... u "seconds East 94,21 feet to a pmnt ~ ~ TO~ CLERK
~vesteriv sloe o~ ~a~woao avenue ;~ Andland now or form~rl ~ ~on ~ -
' " ~Islafid Railroad;-r~ing three
along land no~' or formerly of
Long Island Railroad ~uth 70
degrees 30 minutes 30 seconds
West 534.10 feet to a point and
land now or formerly of Grattan;
running thence along said last
mentiuned land now Or formerly
6f Orattan North 17 degrees 43
minutes 30 seconds West 636.24
feet to a point and land now or
formerly of Witkowsld; running
thence along said. last mentioned
land now or formerly of
· Witkowski the following two ~2)
courses and'distances (I) North
~0 degrees O8 minutes ~0 seconds
East 110.80 feet and. (2) North 12
degrees 29 minutes. 30 seconds
West 537.84 feet to land now or
I formerly of Charnews; running
thence along said last mentioned
land now or formerly of Char-
news t%rth 7O degrees O5 minute~-
00 seconds East 487.72 feet and
~N ~ ROPO~AL TO AMI~D
~Fown Lay. and Art. k';e ~VI. ~ec-
~he Sm~thotu q',sw[L .Re,rd
O~' I Ilo TO~'. n ol ~o'l~l'lO!d, ~;'C. 1
~u!i. ural II1~ .~, to "~-I"
F~cy (ff H~lsey A. ~l~3pIP~
~ttt'd ;11 919 %fain ~t"e.'i. (;:'een-
,~c
Loi.~, 3. 4 .lid 3 on .N{np
~m'k. bv (.)~'{} W. VqY} Tm)
da,Pd T)ecembcr ~. 1~2~. :d~d
:~u~olk CoumY. i r%n~ ~8.~2 ~ee{
::o~ W:i]m~h ~veuUeV'llS~3 feet'
o~ M~iu S~ree~; 21148c'fdd%
the South a~d H5 feet o~
~I'Id ¥IUII illJe ]l~l:lIC(: I'~'~r.el.
~iinnh,d a~ Sm.uhoki. xlcv, Ym'L.
Wes~rly side of Raih'oad Avenue
,;al~ ~own as Youn~k AVenue
· marking the intersedti0n of the
::~utherly line of la~d now. or
formerly of Charne~vS' ~,i~ the
westerly line of said 'Ra!lr0~d
Aven~e ~d from ~i~ point of
beginning running thence So~h
8 degrees 35 minu~es. 30"seconds
,East 60.70 feet: run~in~ ,bhence
· still along the westerly side of
Railroad A'venue South-18 de-'
igrees 53, minutes' 40 Seconds
,.q:E~t 458.50 feet to a point' and
· ~n~,now Ov formerly of Major;
.'running thence along said last
~en~oned laird Smfih 73d, qq(
5S .minutes 2p~_ ~,c-mwl,
' ~-"~' '~"-~'~ F SUFFOLK.; ~,
132;~0 !eOt" ~d a :' ~6int; running * ~- ~ [' ,~:
'~hence So~h 13 flegrees ~3 mi~- N~ ,Y6~
utes 10-~conds Eaet 100.0i feet :~:. L m
Wh
ti
cl~grees :ed o'
~8 feet
tO ~Point:~fl~ i~dnOW br fo~m. :)f whi
erly ;~ K~lin; '
formerly of
land now
]df O~t~E(~ running ~hence
:seconds We:-' 636.24 leer
~ ~int and land now or Iormeriy
0
~2 aegre~s
seconds West 537
n6~or fo~mer!y
charnews: runfikn~ thehc~, along
s~id las~ mentioned land now or
formerly of Cnarnewa North
degrees 05 minutes oo seconds
'~as~ 48~.~2 feet and North ~6
place of beginning.
· Any ~rson desiring to be
hea~ on the above proDosed
, amendments shbuld appear a~
'?. tn~ ~ime and place so specified.
SOoT~On9. TOW~
~OaaD
TOWN
itneY.Booth, Jr., being duly sworn, says
~e Editor, of THE LONG ISlaND.
~TTITUCK WATCHMAN, a public news-
Southold, in Suffolk County; and that
3 the a:nnexed is a printed copy, has been
Long Island Tmveler-Mattituck Watch-
for ....... ~~... EZ../. weekfl/
on the ................. ~.~.. ...............
ADELE PAYNE
Notary Pub/jo, State of New York
Resid gp, in Suffojk County '
~o. 52-3041000
Commission Expk~s March 39, 197
STATE OF NEW YORK:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK:
SS:
Southold, New York, being duly
age of twenty-one years; that o~
1972 , he affixed a notice of
is a true copy, in a proper and
public place in the Town of Sour
York, to wit:-
ALBERT W. ~ICI~MOND, of Southold, Town of
worn, says that he is over the
the 21st day of April
hich the annexed printed notice
substantial manner, in a most
hold, Suffolk County, ~ew
Town Clerk Bulletin Board
Main Road, Sou
Sworn to before me this
21st day of April
19 72
~/~tary P6blic
iUD[IH T. 5OKEN
Notary Pub[;c, $1a!~ of New York
No, 52-0344963 Suffolk Counly~,~
Commission Expires Mc~rch 30, 19.:~
Town Clerk Office
thold, L.I.,N.Y.
~ Albert ~.-RiChmond, Town Clerk
LEGAL NOTICE
Section 160~ of the Building Zone
~' Southold, :Suffolk County, New Yor]
held by the Southold Town Board
16 South Street, Greenport, New Y(
day of May,· 1972, on the followin¢
Building Zone Ordinance (includin,
of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
· 7:30 P[M. (E.S.T.), by chan¢
Agricultural District·.to "B-i" Ger
property of Halsey A. ·Staples, sil
Greenport, New York,-and· more par~
as follows:
Lots 3, 4 and 5 on Map of Was
at Greenport, Suffolk County, New
and dated December 8, 1927, filed
~651, Suffolk County, being 198~5~
115.73 feet on Main Street; 211.46
115 feet on the West.-
8:00 P.M. (E.S.T.), by changJ
Agricultural District and "C" Ligt
. ."M-i" General Multiple Residence
?George AhlDrs, situated at Southo
!:particularly bounded and described
[NGS ON PROPOSALS
;ING ORDINANCE
e Town Law and Article XVI,
Ordinance of the Town of
~, public hearings will be
the office ~f the Supervisor,
rk, in said Town on the 9th
proposals to amend the
the Building Zone Maps)
ounty, New York.
ng from "A" Residential and
eral Business District, the
uated·at 919 Main Street,
ic~larly bounded and described
hington Heights, situate
York, by Otto W, Van Tuyt.
December 29, 1927, File
feet on Wilmarth--Avenue;
feet on the South gnd
ng from "A"-Residential and
t-Industrial District to
istrict, the property of
d, New Yolk, and more
as follows:
Beginning at a point on the
'ialso known as Youngs Avenue markir
%esterly side of Railroad Avenue
g the intersection of the
Page 2 ~Legal ~tice
southerly line of land now or for
nerly of Charnews with the west-
erly line of said Railroad Avenue
from said point of beginning runt
minutes 30 seconds East 60.70 fee
the westerly side of Railroad Ave
40 seconds East 458.50 feet to a
of Maier; running thence along ss
73 degrees 53 minutes 20 seconds
running thence South 13 degrees
feet along-land ·now or formerly
of Averett to a point; running th
of Averett the following two (2
(1) South 73 degrees 12 minutes
point; thence south 1~ degrees 41
also known as Youngs Avenue and
ing thence South 8 degrees 35
t; runnings'thence still along.
nue South 13 degrees 53 minutes
~oint and land now or formerly
.d last mentioned land South·
West 132.40 feet to a point;
23 minutes 10 seconds East 100.04
cf Maier and land now or formerly
ence along land now or formerly
courses and distances:
O seconds West 89.03 feet to a
minutes 40 seconds 60.18 feet
to a point and land now or formelly of Kaelin; running thence
along said last mentioned land $~uth 73 degrees 22 minutes 20
seconds West· 113.76 feet; runninc
of Lipco Agway Inc. the followin
(1) South 74 degrees 04 minutes
thence along land now or formerly
three (3) courses and distances,
0 seconds West 213.27 feet; (2)
South 5 degrees 22 minutes 50 se onds East 389.17 feet and (3)
South 17 degrees 21 minutes 10 s~conds East 94.21 feet to a point·
and land now or formerly of Long Island Railroad; running thence
along land now or formerly~ of Long Island Railroad South 70 degrees
30 minutes 30 seconds West 534.1~
or formerly of ·Grattan; running t
land now or formerly of Grattan 5
seconds West 636.24 fee~ to a poi
feet t6 a point and land now
hence along said last mentioned
,rth 17 degrees 43 minutes 30
nt and~land now or formerly of
· Witkowski; running thence along aid last mentioned lardnow or
formerly of Witkowski the following two (2) courses and distances
(1 North 70 degrees 08 minutes ~0 seconds East 110.80 feet and
(2 ~orth 12 degrees 29 minutes ~0 seconds West 537.84 feet to
Page 3 - I.~qal Ng~ice ~
land now or formerly of Charnews; running thence along said last
mentioned land now or formerly of Charnews North 70 degrees 05
minutes 00 seconds East 487.72 feet and North 76 degrees 22 minutes
20 seconds East 567.10 feet to th
Any person desiring to be he
amendments should appear at the t
DATED: April 11, 1972, BY ORDER
point or place of beginning.
rd on the ~bove proposed
£me and place so sDecified.
DF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
ALBERT W. RICHMOND
T
PLEASE PUBLISH ONCE, APRIL 2.
AFFIDAVITS OF PUBLICATION TO THE
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK.
Copies mailed to the
The Long Island Traveler-Mat
The Suffolk Weekly Times
Halsey Staples
George Ahlers
Supervisor Martocchia
Otto W. Van Tuyl
DWN CLERK
, 1972, A~[D FORW3%RD FIVE (5)
~OUTHOLD TOWN CLERK, MAIN ROAD,
]g on April 14, 1972:
zituck Watchman
250 COX LANE, CUTCHOGLE, N. Y. 11935
Telephone (516) 734- 5010
Jume i9~
South old Towr~
(}~-eenport~ ~'~v; York
~.~-e a~ree no'c to s~art cons~ctlon on our proposed apartmex~ts
on Youngs Avenue~ Soug~oma~ New York~ until we have enough leases
signed +~o fill three buiid, inEs. AccorJdin~ ~o Health
(see attached, cops~ of te~ter da%ed ]3~ayJiT,1972) ~his will ~ive us enough
eliminate ~he need fo~~ cesspools
No~ ~ubH~ State of New York
aa ta riea Jf N rs,
EUGEN'ES ROAD, CUTCHOGU.EI N. Y. 11935
Telephone (516) 734-$010
.... ~ :17 ~ , , _
Souchola Town Board
South Street
(}reenport, New 'York
'~ent lemon:
apar
Southoi
have co_.~¢c~vd~-- ~ tile_ Health
nave informed me ~na~ the sewerage
gal, 9e~ day to operate. Based
day per one bedroom and efficiency apar
tempo=ary cesspools at proposed
at complex on Youngs Ave.
'epar'tment on the above
~reatment plan~ will ~equi~e
n their figures of 225 gal. per
men~s, and ~0O ~al. par day
/
the two bedroom apartments~ it %,;ill tak~ two and one-half apartment
~ - ' ' ~ ~- + ~ -~-R, ' -~ 4 , ~ ~ ~ ' ~-r .~ Our
~u~ld_.n=s .o me_t ~,,e man..mum u~. re~ iremen~, original plan
was ~o puZ up two buildings to start.
ten. ants, without soliciting names, to
~e are confident that if zoning ~s grani
we will have enough leases signed to
we start construction.
cesspools.
GA:ps
cc: }~rs, Tiedke
Ms. Virginia Moore
iww, Roger Stoutenbur~h
e nov; }lave enough prospective
l! one and one-.half buildings.
ed~ and we advertise the project~
~_ four to five bul!aln~ before
would ~en eliminate tke need for temporaTy
Ver~ ~ruly your~
,~Teorg e ~i:.lers
South°ld Town Planning Board
.~rlUTHrlLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
PLANNING ~BOA~D
~MEMBER,S!
John !Wi,ckh~;im, ~Ch?irman
Henry 'Moisa
Alfred Grebe
Frank ~CoyleI
March 23, 1972
Southold Town Board
16 SouGh Street
Greenp~rt, New York
Gentlemen:
T~is is to advise you that the following resolution was
passed ]by the Southold Town Planning Board at their meeting
held o~ March 21, 1972:
In! the matter of the petition of George Ahlers, Cutchogue,
New Yor~k, relative to a change of zone from 'A" Residential
and Agrlicultural District and "C" Light Industrial District
to "M-l!" Multiple Residence District on certain property situated
west si~e Young's Avenue, Southold, it was,
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend
......... ~9~9~.~1_y to the Southold Town Board the change of zone from
"A'r Residential and~Agricultural District and "C" Light
Industrial District to "M-l" Multiple Residence District on the
above described'property.
The property adjoins existing industrial property. It is
isolated from single family residence development. The property
is accessible to the village. There is public water supply and
sewage treatment plant is included in the project. The project
meets the requirements of the Zoning Ordinance, and there is a
need for more apartments in the vicinity of Southold village.
Respectfully submitted,
~ohn Wickh~, Chairma~--
Southold Town Planning Board
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~OUTHOLD, L. !., N. Y. 11971
March 8, 1972
Mr. John Wickham
Chairman, Planning Board
Cutchogue, New York 11935
Dear Mr. Wickham:
The original petition of George Ahlers
requesting a change of zone on certain real
~roperty situated at Southold, New York, from
'IA" Residential and Agricultural District and
'?C" Light Industrial District to "M" Multiple
Residence District is in the files in the office
6f the Planning Board at Southold, New York.
you are instructed to prepare an official
report defining the conditions described in the
~etition and determine the area so affected with
the recommendation of your Board.
Very truly yours,
Albert W. Richmond
Town ~erk
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IN THE MATTER OF THE PETITION OF ~ NABIPAT RF~LTY CORP.
FOR A CliANGE, MODIFICATION OR AMENDMENT OF THE BUILDING ZONE ORDIN-
ANCE OF TF.EI TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, SUFFOLK COUNTY, NEW YORK.
TO THE TOWN BOARD OF THE, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD:
L I, 6,.S. ................................. , residing .at CUTCHOGUE
(insert name :of petitioner)
an officer of NAi~PAT REALTY CORP.,
Suffolk County, New York, the undersigned, am/the owner of certain'real property situated at
........... .S..O..U.~O...~...D.~....~..E..N.....Y..O.,~ .... and more particularly bounded and described as follows:
SEE SCHEDULE A annexed hereto
2. I do hereby pe~tion the Town Board of the Town of Southold to change, modify and
amend the Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk CounW, New York,
including the Building Zone Maps heret~ore made a part thereof, as follows:
By changing the present zoning classification of the subject premises
namely, A Residential & Agricultural Zone and C Light Industrial Zone
to ~/M~tiple Residence Zone so as to premit the erection and construction
of a Garden Apartment complex.
.Such requestis made for the following reasons: Nanpat R~alty Corp., a New york
corporation consistiDg of George Ahlers, Patricia Ahlers, Barry
Hellman, M.D. and Nancy Hellman, intend to construct upon the subject
premises a colonial garden apartment detached unit complex, complete
with its own sewage treatment plant. The planned complex will be in
keeping With the colonial atmosphere of Southold village and is
designed to blend in with the existing topography. Exact details
of the proposed project will be made available to the Planning Board
and the Town.Board and at the Public Hearings, detailed maps as well as
a scale mOdel will be presented.
There is a dire need for first class rental units in the
Town Of Southold .for the young married couples as well as the senior
czElzens:. The p~p_~osed project fills this need while at the same time
it 'blends in ~.w!t~^area and further wzll not add to the pollution
probl.emsi sinde a sewage treatment plant is included in project.
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STATE OF NEWl YORK, )
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COUNTY OF SUFFOLK, )
...... .G.E. 9.R.G..E' . .A..F~..E.~R.S. ...................... BEING DULY SYVORN, deposes and says that
he is the petitioner in the within action; that he has read the foregoing Petition and knows
the contents thereof; that the same is true to his (her) own knowledge, except as to the matters
therein stated to b{ alleged on information and helief, and that as to those matters he believes it
to be true.
Sxvorn to before tn~
this . .~..'~. day of. i ff.u~...C.~... ............ 19..7.2.
7Notary Public.
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SCHEDULE A
Ail that certain plot,'piece or parcel of land situate
lying !and being at Southold, Town of Southotd, Suffolk
County, New York, more particularly bounded and described
as follows:
BEGIi~NING at a point on the westerly side of Railroad
Avenu9. also known as ¥oungs Avenue marking the intersection
of the southerly line of land now or formerly of Charnews
w.ith ~he westerly line of said Railroad Avenue also known
aS Youngs Avenue and from said point of beginning running
thence South 8 degrees 35 minutes 30 seconds East 60.70
feet; irunning thence still along the westerly side of
R~ilr0~d~Avenue South 13 degrees 53 minutes 40 seconds
Ea.St 4~8.50 feet to ~' point and land now or formerly of
Ma'~i~ri r~nning thence along said last mentioned land
South173 degrees 53 minutes 20 seconds west 132.40 feet
to a Point; running thence South 13 degrees 23 minutes
10 seconds East 100.04 feet along land now or formerly
of M~$er and land now or formerly of Averett to a point;
running thence along land now or formerly of Averett 'the
following two (2) courses and distances:
(1) S~uth 73 degrees 12 minutes 30 seconds West 89.03
feet ~o a point; thence South 17 degrees 41 minutes 40
seconds. 6'0.18 feet to a point and land now or formerly
of Kaelin; running thence alon~ said last mentioned land
Southl 73 degrees 22 minutes 20. seconds west 113.76 =eet~
running ~hence along land now or formerly of Lipco Agway
Inc. ~he following three (3) courses and distances,~)South
74 degrees 04 minutes 40 seconds West 213.27 feet; (2)
Southl 5 degrees 22 minutes 50 .seconds East 389.17 feet and
(3) S~uth 17 degrees 21 minutes i0 seconds East 94.21
feet ~o a point and land now o.r formerly of LO~ng Island
Rail~.~ad; running thence alongl land now or formerly of
Long ~sland Railroad South 70 Id:egress ,~3!0 minutes 30
seconds West 534.10 feet to a point a~a land now or
formelrly of Grattan; running thence along said last
mentiloned land now or formerly of Grattan North 17 degrees
43 minutes 30 seconds West 636.24 feet to a point and land
now o~r formerly of Wltkowsk~; .running thence along said
last ~entioned land now or formerly of Witkowski the
following two (2) courses and :distances (i) North 70
degrees ~8 minutes 30 seconds ~East 111.80 feet and
(21). ~orth 12 degrees 29 minutes 30 seconds west 537.84
feet Ito land now or formerly Of CharneWs; running thence
alon~ said last mentioned land now or formerly of Charnews
Nort~ 70 degrees 05 minutes 00 seconds East 487.72 feet
and North 76 degrees 22 minutes 20 seconds Eas~: 567.10
feet Ito the point or place of~BEGIAINiNG.
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