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HomeMy WebLinkAboutZBA-08/07/2003 HEAR SOUT~OLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS SPECIAL MEETLrNG TRANSCPd?T OF ~ELD AUGUST 7~ (Pr~ed by Jess~ca Boger) Present were: Cha]~om~ Lydia A. Toftora M~ber G~d P. Goe~nger Memb~ ~ath D. Oliva Member Vincent OrI~do Clerk Faufa Qufnt~ Absent were: Member George Ho~ng 6:45 p~m. AppL No. 5317 - ~DE~CK and JO~ FROZE (e~n~ued from 6/19/03~. Request for a Variance nnder See~on 109-239.4B, based on ~he Bufl~g Department's Februa~ 3, 2003 Not~ce of D~sapprovsL App~eant proposes ~dd~ons dwe~g ~ a location a~ less than 75 feet from ~e bu~ead. Location of ProperS: 4700 Para,se Po~t Road, Southo~d; CTM g~000-8~3-4. POSS~LE ~SOLUT~ON TO co~sider 7/3I ~e~ter from ~. Moore~ ~t~or~ey for P~ Cooper, for adjou~ment. ~so [e~er CHARWOMAN: Is someone here who would l~ke to spe~ on beh~fofthe application? G~E~ ST~NG, ARCH: Good even~g, my nme ~s Gmze~ S~g, ~chitect, representing Mr. md ~s. Frohne, ~e app~ic~t. CHARWOMAN: Just one moment. We have some last minute co~espondence apparently. Fm so~, could you centinue, Mr. Strang? MR. ST~NG: Ce~a~nly. I'I1 be bfie~ I promise. Once leng~y d~ss~atio~. It*s not some~ng ~ enjoy doing. And I~m sure it didn't m~e for much of ~ interesting read, but I d~d 5ave to set the record s~h~t. S~nce ~he adje~ent ~ast time, obviously I did submit tBat pa~icul~ rebuttal ~d some additional documents. believe ~e ZBA has been in receipt of co~espondence ~om ~. Scalia, t~e nei~bor to ~e op~s~te side. And a lett~ ~so ~om the appl~c~t, Mr. Fro~ne. I submitted today, w~ch ~$~u~ately I only received today, a ~etter 5-om me Paradise Point Assoc~affon (PPA), which essentially ~ndicgtes that rh~e~s no violations to thek C&R's based on o~ ofiginaI application. And I ~so submitted an akered si~e pl~ showing ~ a~temafive reduction in the s, ize of this op~ porch. Al¢ou~ o~ preference would be to have it as ofi~nal applied for or as we mentioned at the last he~ng, reduce ~e 12~ to be sensitive to Mr. Cooper. But we have considered the s~ze as well. With re~oect to the sub~ttJs I made. I'm not s~e ~,e bo~d has ~y ques~ons time re c~. CHARWOMAN: So ~e new plmns, I'm so~ we didn't get a chmce, the co~espond~ee ,~ t~ rind o~ ge,~_g 1~ now c~e ~x on ~e 7 ~ weYe just ' ' .c ~_,-~ MR. S~NG: CHA~WOM~: So the new pl~s wo,~d ~ng ns. 5ow far. how ~ach closer? ~x. S~NG: The new pi~ would reduce, the o~n~ app[ic~fgon was for ~ i6~ op~, roofed over~ but ooen~ A: ~he testimony iasc t~e~ ~ offered a I2' ~_d that w~s m respoxse to Mm Coopers su~es*5om ~d {n f~her consideraion wi~h my client we*re b~n~g ~t ba~x to ] O~ g'~ t~s point, wiJch I beHeYe, you have g si~e pl~ ~n ~ont cf yon, i believe bi%as 5t 54? o~the Subhead. ~d 5~s ob~ous¢ much ~her ~om the bJgh wgt~ m~k. bn~ ~hat~s where we point. ME~ER OLD'A: ~d R would be op~, no~ closed? MR. ST~NG: R's op~, ro re,mn open. ~enciosed~ We ~e receive to a condition if the bo~d w~s ro put such on ff~ that 5t~s not :~ be enclosed a~ ~y pc~t in the fai-~ze~ I ~ow was a pein% ~d if you haven*t mad my s~zmi~al~ Gore% a *o~nt ~at was brou~7c up in the doc,&ments sub,areal by Mm Cooper that he felt that if tkfis relief w~e ~emted~ or ~t~at~,ve relief were ~ted, ~at it wo'~d open [he door for an addi~on on the house, ~at we ae submitting now having established a setba&. And we*re offe~ng fi:at we wo~d be Mil{rig accept a condition by ~is boa-d thai if Gore were to be my additions to ~ze house in the rm~re. that it would have to come back to this boad for review. So that wouldn't establish a preceder on o~ p~lc~ p~ceL ME~ER GOE~GER: Do we know that he was refe~ng to addi~ons as me~2ng enclosure of tlnis pa~icGg application or was he refe~na to muhiple additions that rnigzt be on fine house? MR. ST~NG: My ~_derst~ding ofha~ng read that pa~ic~ar docm~_ent be submitted was thai ~ey were concerned Oat it would, the way fr, e code reads, iii underst~d it correctly that ~his sefoack has to be l~dwad of~ established setback. ~d ! believe 5is poskicn was if this v~ance were g~ed ~d we built the screen room: it would establish the sefoack and we could put mn addition on the house. Again~ using that as the established setback. ~,d be l~dwa~d of · m. B,at it would obvious~ybe a massive en~oad~ent on the setback ~nd we are willing say, we wouldr.'t do that without coming back to this bo~d, if the boa:d so chooses ro put that condition on, MEMBER GOEHR~GER: Mar. S~g, one other question. ~&at 54' at 1O' ~om the house depth~ ~nich you ~e proposing at this point, thai is to the lowest bui~ead, !s that co,oct? MR. STRANG: There is only 1 bulkhead. MEMBER GOEHRINGER: There's a lot of tiers in that area because of the steepness of that area. MR. STRANG: That is a bulkhead thafs been established. It's a wooden bulk2~ead that's down at the bottom at the foot of the bluff. There is a welt vegetated and stable bluff at the top. MEMBER GOEHR1NGER: How is *hat measured by the way? Is it measured straight out, and up like this? MR. STRANG: That is correct. It is. It's a horizontal dimension v/ew. Took the bulkhead 1/ne mud came vertical wSth, and measured hur/zontally to the proposed addition, that would he it. We're not measuring the hypotenuse oftheo.. MEMBER GOEHRINGER: I just didn't know if there was another bulkhead buried in there and that's the reason I asked. MR. STRANG: Not on our property. I believe on the adjacent property, the Coopers have several terraces that are built into the bluff that they, I guess the previous owner before Cooper, had excavated. CHAIRWOMAN: Ms. OIiva? MEMBER OLIVA: No, I don't have any further questions. CHA]~RWOMAN: Mr. Orlando? MEMBER ORLANDO: No questions. CHAIRWOMAN: The only thing I would like to know for the record is that the attorney for the adjoining neighbor has requested that this heaaSng be postponed, as the attorney is gohxg to be out of town. And you have wtStten a response to that letter. What is the board's pleasure? MEMBER GOEHR1NGER: I think we should just leave the time open for the attorney to reflect any concerns she may have. Then we go from there. She has the plan. There's no reason to continue it. CHAIRWOMAN: Verbally or in wx'iting? MEMBER GOEHRINGER: In writing. CHAIRWOMAN: The only problem with that is then we get into f~nal rebuttals. Page 3 of MEMBER GOEHRINGER: No. Ali t2ze trial rebu~als have to se ir~ ay ~2~e 2tsr. by lhe next mee~g. ~d we ofichaiiy close the hoeing. _~d ftaJ:~s k. M~. ST~NG: My o~y ckgl~ge M~h that would be if the rebn~ig from Mr. Coopers attorney ~ves within a sho~ time~.e of the dae you've est~oiished. CH~WOM~N: Al ~:00 on ~e deadline date? ME~ER GOEH~GER: ~en we'll extend it for yo-G Ga~eR. CHA~WOM~: No. no. ~. ST~NG: I have a phi]osophic~ dngienge wi~ the al2omey% request for ~he fact ~at she wa h~e at ihe ~: mee~ng~ we ~t a~eed to ~:e date. T~ere was no challenge at thai ~me. She had wh~ she could oppose it She had mple oppo~ni~ ~no~]y tlnereaRer m a~x for ~ adjo~men~ w~cln~ you ~ow. But to come in a week. or less i~ a week before :he heaNng ~d ask for ~ adjo~ent~ for the p-~ose of the fact ~xat she~s on vacation~ I really have a pPJlosophica] ch~le~ge wiih/kat in my poskion, ~ feeling is ~_afs m a~ont ~o ~his bogd. This boad asks for. is ~s date a~eeable ~o you.~ We said "yes". You've t~en Ihe ~me ~c pu~ k on yo~ c~endar. ~d I ~ for ~.e a~emey to t~<e a vacatlon~ ~owing ~i well that she had a co~l~t ad a obEgation to stay, is nor nme. MEMBER GOEHR~GER: Cmn I make a suggeslion? I can i~<e care of Chis whole thing. CHARWOMAN: You're not the chah~erson. MEMBER GOEH~GER: l '~d~s~mnd E~at CH~WO~N: Please let me do that Pm not really in favor of (inaudfole} I really... MEMBER ORLANDO: Close it ME~ER OLWA: Close it CHARWOMAN: I don't see ~y reason to continne k an~ay. There's no, t mean~ ~here*s absoi~Xe!y MEMBER GOEHR~GER: You've gol ~ke rime limk to do that You caq give her ~.!il next Fhday. and Gen Mr. SL~ang has ~nfil 5~e meeling ~f lherds any rebu~at. Ifs ve~ easy, y~a have 2 weeks. MEMBER OLIVA: Close it, Page 4 of 13 Page 5 8-74~3 Son~hold Town Board of Appea~s Spee~ Mee~ng PnbHe Mear~g MEMBER GOEHR~GER: I'm just sa~ng. CHAIRWOMAN: t me~, we could do ~a~, but what's the p~ose? MEMBER GOEHR~GER: As I said in ~e be~ing of the he~mg~ thee re~ly is no p~ose. Because ~. S~g has ~eady submitted, she is aw~e of this CHARWOMAN: Exactly, she h~... ~. ST~NG: She has bee~ ~v~, eve~g thru ~e bo~d was ~ven w~ ~ven to her. CH~WO~: If she wash5 ~ve~ a copy of~e plus, th~ ~xat wo~d be diff~ent. I m~e a motion to close the being, resting decision ~til lat~. MEMBER GOEH~GER: Just reflect, for the record, that I wo~d ke~ it open ~fil the 21~t. MR. ST~NG: Appreciate yo~ consideration. PLEASE SEE M~TES FOR RESOLUTION Page 5 of ~3 CHA1RWO~MAN: Taa next heating is on behalf of Towbee. Is ~dnere anyor~e h~e who wo~Md like m spe~ on behalf of that application? ABIGAIL WICI~, ESQ: Good eyeing. AbigMl W{d~_~. for ~e ap~dc~2. W&re go~.g m repem eve~%ing ~g we wer2/%ou~n last time. B-at I do w~t to just re~'esh the bond's rx~oxy becs:ase ifs been a long time. And yon~ve lad a lot of irle~%ng r~s:rt~s we ~e seU~ng re r~lace. ~n exisfmg con,rote block b~tdlng, w>Jch is ~t on ~ize Avenue l:ne w~t~ 2 st~ct~es rune ~ emrbzs~Jng of a 3~a existing s'~c~ze. [ffyou recall, the maps you had ar the last meeting have not ch~ged. I did put hn new maps todsy. Pm so~ ~ey c~me h~ so late. Bm !hey are pret~, they ~e exactly ~nat you looked at before wbhh ~e exception of ad&(on~ 5p:fo~afion ~n ~e way of &ainage and fhal t~e of CHAIRWO~N: ~ere% no ch~ge in fne placket... MS. WIC!G{~M: ~.ere~s no chmnge in the p!ac~_ent of the setbadrs, rm. A !bRic more p~Ymg has been pro%dod ~d a little more detail on ~_e sqa~e footage. But there was some coniston at the !~t heating as lo wbJck~ were the fi~): maps. I just w~i m be s~e we were ~i lo&xbng ~ne sine +~mg. ~n ~y event. ~e new office ]D'~l~ng, {fyou recall is 60x80 sq. fi. office of 58 more or ]ess feet 9om Hm~el Avenue. ~d 70 to 1 ! T from Boisseau Ave~ ~e 2=~ new bullring is the w~nouse, w~ch is 70M0. A shgie srou stmcVge wf:h a sofoack of 5~ ~om the resz ]~e ai '~e closest point. 7 ~ at Ge f~nest poin% and 6.3~ from tlne side y~d. wN~z is applicants sMe y~d. The applican~ owning the adjo{ning propers. ~nd 5' a~ ~e doses; point from the rear y~d. ~_e sefagcks wNmh ~e on the H~mel Avenue side, ~%ch are nonconfo~ing to the 100~ average setback. ~e ce~airJy nor our of ch~acter wi~c what's in the neig~oofhood now. If you rec~h the bumming at the western end of the block is ~:~ on Kxe line. And it's a veu long building, Our ~ce building on Hmmel ~s an aver[ge of 59~ H~eL If you average gJ] of the buddings, because i-r is considered a s{ngle s~e. ifs 85L Tn~e is no. *here is ~ excess of s~rbad¢ from BMsseau Avenue as ifs proposed. ~afs nor a problem The se+~ack from HinT_reel while ifs 59'. whid~ ls mnd*r the s/m~dar& is ce~nly [mprov~ent over the setback of ~hat ugly. exisdng~ concrete block bufiding~ ~nich will be removed that has a 4' sefoack. Ifs sJso a much nicer looking building, and ~s ce~a~nly mudn ~n~ away ~h~ the b~ldings in Ge nei~.bof~ood. Tee old Som~m]d Saunas B~2~ on com~ ne~ the ~ ~adks {s ghoul 3& back from Youngs. So this ~s mzach ~=~her s~foack Page 6 ef ~3 Pa~e 7 g~74)3 Sou~hold Town Board of Appeals Specia~ Meeth~g PubLic Hear~g ~at. I would l~ke to ~so mention, ~ ~ s~d, ~e s~de y~d setback is a s~ificmt reduction, but ~t does g~ut ~e applicants o~er prop~. So they ~e not going ~o be impacting s~g~s. ~d ~e re~ y~d reductions, which ~e si~ificmt m-e on the ~ side, ~d we~l ML~n ~e f<ce. ~zd weYe discussed ~re access ~d tha~ ~e of~g. Also, ffyou recall, it s~ys hero on re~ elevation, ~at wo~d be ~e elevafmn fach~g ~e ~ Wacks, ~ere ~e no bu~ldh~gs, no w~dows, proposed. So thee Mll not be ~ ~pac~ on privacy m Oe extent ~at 2~ sto~ would overlook onto the Colonig Village prop<y. So those people Mil not be wo~ed about people looking over into ~ek y~ds. One ~ng we d~d not ~dress specific~ly last time w~ ~e 3~ stow for w~ch the Notice of D~sapprov~ was amended. It wo~d, ~ I ~d~st~d ~e code, be considered ~ attic, exc~t for the access, which is proposed, w~ch is not onlyby a sta~ay, but also by m~ elevator. ~d the reason, well~ ~t of~i, ~e a~c space, which is considered a 3~ floor u~d~ ~e code, is less th~ halfofthe ac~M ~oor ~ea of that upp~ floor. It is.just under 2000 sq. ~. less whatev~ ~ea ~s t~en up bythe elevator ~d t~e sta~ay. It ~s go~ng to be used~ ~d ~e reason ~e elevator ~s going ~¢ there ~s first of ~1, ~ey have to Fat mn elevator in ~ere ~ay. ~nd they need to do money storage ~d p~odic re~evM of records for thor thousmnds ofm~e~ps ~d r~oas. ~eyke~ ~em seve~ ye~s. ~d ~e access by ~e elevator M~I not o~y facilitate ge~hxg them up ~d do~, but will a~so ~s~st ~th ~mndicap cl~cal employees that would be able to acco~odate t~t section of the budding. R wi~ not be used for office space. %~e file storage ~s ~n sealed, fir~roof, locked, files. And ~afs the oniy ~e ~mt wo~d be up thee oLher ~an m~ybe a file system of some so~. ~e appe~ance of the building ~s ~e s~e whether it's ~ntefior space ~at's considered a S~a stow or not. It's jus* p~ of~e roof. ~d we*d like to sub~t ~at ~ven the cost of L~2s b~ld~ng, ~t re~1y would be ~ economic h~dsMp ~o d~five ~e applic~t of the use ofth~s space, tls not a v~suM ~mpe~ment. He has to build a roof over ~ea ~ay. ~nd he has to build ~e elevator ~ay. ~d ~le storage in a paper Mtensive bus,ness, as you ~e ~doubtedly well aw~e~ is really critical to a bus,ness. So they would like to be able to access ~t in a more economic f~b~on. We had mentioned briefly, Iast time, the fact ~at ~s busMess, salvage does sea rescue. ~d ~e coordination ~t5 some of the ~gency response agencies is quite critical to ~e~r bus,ness. ~ey do have a relations~p wi~ the Coast Gu~d. ~d I submitted a lett~ ~om the Coast G~a~d ind~cat~g that ~ey ~e working cIosely M~ ~. They have open d~scuss~ons w~ FEMA ~n temps ofpossibIe use offs facility ~ some so~ of em~gency shelter because the facilities ~n ~s to~ ~e not what ~ey probably could be. 1~m advised that hms will be cons~d~ed a ~een building, which me~s it ~s enviro~tally sound. R is to quaii~ for lead credits for ener~. ~d Joe c~ explain to you exactly what it me~s. But ifs supposed to be built as a yew sound, over, a buiidi~g exceeding usual cons~ction st~d~ds. And maybe used as a model fer some ~e construction st~d~ds in mreas where emergency shelter is imposer. MEMBER GOEH~GER: ~e would tl~at be done in ~at building? MS. WIC~AM: R's ia a prel~inaW discuss/on at th~s po~t. Probably ~e open ~ea would be do--stairs. MEMBER GOEHR~GER: In ~e basement? Page 7 of 13 CHAIRWOMAN: Please state yors name for the record. CAPTAIN JOE FROHNHOEFER: Capt~n Joe Fro~oefen The lead cxedhs, lesd~sBJp ~d ep~hmmm~ desx~ ~d m~nee~ng~ The ~J~l~nzg ts going probably to exceed ~y of the st~d~ds, espedsHy in 7n~s wind zone. ~.e ~sa~mg for ff~s Mud zone. ~ you ~sw. is ~20 mph. We ~e Nsl on '~e rfp from ~veffnead o~a A ls~ of people ha~ng probl~_s ~ff~ ~at, We ~e g~h~g to t~- to show th~ how to solve it~ Frs going to be a model b~l~mg~ for ~ror~nental desi~ ener~ desi~, we ~e woff~ing witln ~PA, we sro wor~mg Mth ~merg~cy mmnag~em. N~S ~d Suf~b~k Co~. We m~e wo~ng M~ a ~ew o~ people. ~d o~ comm~cafi~n seep ~hin ~e building will be a bac~p nmb~ of different peopIe. We ~e ~o~mg at redundancy across Slnelter Isl~i for o~ T~ lines We ~e doing ~e satellite smffffsm fi~e bu~lfmg~ ~d ~ cmn ass~e you ~s~ the mzterm~ for ~ose ~e ex~emeIy sm~L They have chan~ed those. ~d ~e en~neenng or,hose has ch~ged z~erAo~sly. As you c~. tell from ~ust fi~e TV dishes, are small~. ~ese probab¢ Mt[ be smaller ~mn that ~e's a lot oft~ngs that we're }soking at woF~ng wit5 the gove~mem on. ~d we*re exceeding, md quite ~ s&ead n~.t ~ow. On Lhe 20~% i will in Houston ~ Loc~ee% M~in, ~6 Nassau space center. ~d we ~e rele~ing some of our developmer2s down ~aere~ ~ER GOEHR~GER: Let me past ask a question, Joe, if you donk mind. If the b~Ming ~s m~ office building on fi~e first ~d second s'mu, for FEM~ te ufflize this building as a headqum~ers, okay, they ce~mfly wouldn't be t~mg over yo~~ ~ea. so you wit! be utilizing probably the bas~tg ~. FRO~HOEFER: Yes. We ws,~d be. the bas~t is set up for classroe~_s. We be using a co~sin~ion> our co~urfcafion system may be mren eve:. ~n6 woff~ with th~n~ h~d in h~A. MEMBER GOEH~GER: I m~derstmd. ~ a re~ si~fic~t ~:nergency ~ER O~A~O: Based on a d~saster, hew much they need. MR. FRO~IOEFER: B~ed sn whatever. We m~e going to have a generator, 60KW generator, 200 ~ps to back us MEMBER GOEHR~GER: On natural gas? MR. FRO~HOEFER: Most likely, that or pr~pmxe on the ~R track s~de_ in the back. h~dden. MEMBER GOEHR~GER: ~d th~s bulk}lng is 5ally sp~dered? MR. FRO~HOEFER: Doesn't here t~ be. ~fs a fireproo~bufiding. It has over a 4 or 5 hour fire rating. Just from Ge na?~re oTk It's no'~ed concrete ~nside the ~nsn!al-ed rCS. conc:ere Sou~ho~d Town Board of Appea~s Spec~a~ l~ee~g Pubic ~ear~ng ~o~s. You're ~al~g a~on~ ~ 8" reinforced concrete w~L S/8's ~e-rod~ ho~zem~ ~d v<ic~. %e ~oo~s ~e concreee. There's not a lo* in :hat bui~d~ng ~at c~ ~. ~as* ~he paper. MEMBER OOEHP~GER: Paper on the 3rd StO~. MR. FRO~HOEFER: That's about it. ~d ~at*s ~ ffreproofcab~ets. ~e loading of~e floors, I c~ tell you, is exeeme. We're using g re-rod in fne eye bem~s. '~e eye herons ~e approximately 8", I ~r~, a~oss, 8 or 9" inches across, top on bottom. We ~e acmat!ypu~ng more re-rod into thmn is call~ for. ~e o~y eu~neer ~hat's qu~ified for ~is is out of up ~S. ~d he*s co~g down ts work wi~ us on ~e ac~, ~nished, product. MS. ~C~M: I ~ Ce ob~ous question for ~e bo~d is why do we need a b~lding that's ~at big, w~ch causes ~e setback red~cfions. Ag~n, the setback red~cfions ~e, we tkA~, on sides tha~ ~e nat as si~i~c~t. ~d we ~e si~i~c~fly hnprovfng the setback distance the residenti~ ~d Bo~sseau Avenue side. But ~ specific ~sw~ to ~at issue, the building was desired to precisely accommodate ~e business ~d represent, re~ly, ~e m~imum space ~at they've evaluated ~ necess~ ~n order to house not only ~e~r ~ployees, but thek computer ~d o~ce eq~pm~t. ThOr tec~olo~cal equipment, rads, son~, ~d satellite ~acVng as well as ~e warehousing i~ the outb~ldings for their products~ files, ~d in the 3~ b~ld~ng, ~3, some boat confi~rations. As a res'~t, ~ey re~ly don't feel ~ey ~ave tony fe~ible alternative. ~f you recall ot~er re~ons we ~e here on th~s m~y v~ances ~s because it is a com~ lot. ~d it is a na~ow lot. So I'd be h~spy to ~ ~d mnswer ~y specific questions ~e bo~d mi~t have. I ~id, ifI could just, I'm so~, I forgot to mentfon, Ms. Oliva last time ~ked a little bit about the employee access to ~e building in te~s of staffing levels at vmdous hours of tBe day. ~d gave you a ch~ ~at reflects ~e fact that ~s is a whi~e it's a 7 day a week, 24 ho~ a day building in te~s of ~ployees, the staffing for most of that time is q~te m~im~. '~e staffing d~ng ~e pe~ ho~s is stagg~ed so that ~ployees Mll not be com~g in ~d leaving at the s~e time t~ou~out the day mud compet~g for spaces. So we've spoken twice now~ the Pla~ng Bo~d about pm'k~ng m~d we're going to be gong back there ag~n. We've presented a couple ofp~s. But ~e ~ployees have ve:~ c~e~lly mapped out what the office space is desired for. CHA~RWO~N: Let's see if anyone in ~e audience has any questions. Is ~ere anyone in ~e audience who would like to spe~ in favor or against the application~ Or who has more questions about this? MEMBER GOEHR~GER: I have more questions. CHARWOMAN: I don't see ~y h~ds. You have fairly well gone tk~ou~ the variance aspects both at t~s he~ng ~d at the prior being. Lefs see if we have &ny ~ssues to be resolved. Do you have ~o~er question? MEMBER GOEHR~GER: I have 2 more questions, just of Capt~n Joe, i~he doesn't mind. MR~ FROk~E~ER: Y~s MEMBER GOEH~GER: Ye2 have indicated to us ~ze ce~dn need for ~s sic ~,nd ~ went down ~d inspected the ~R ~e~ ~d I ~5~ O, afs ce~,~nly s, dequa:e ~u~ m re~y bxdng ~ emergency ve}icles ~qd do w~ei has to be done if an~ing has m be done~ god fofoid. Hope~;¢ nothing h~ 'io be 4one~ Or mx access to gnat sea. The only oth~ conce~ ~ 5gve are the residents that ~e on Hu~el Ave. ~ mn~oody ~&at might he~ ~mg ~om ibis T~s {s go~ng to be a nei~bor-~mdly bffdding. ~x. FRO~OEFER: You're not go{ng to he~ a pin drop e~ther inside or ont. ME~ER GOEH~GER: WeYe no~ go{rig to have tony outsld% loud spe~. Eyeing ~s go{n? to be done by {ndividug radio? MR. FRO~HOEFER: We ~- to ke~ ~t as quiet ~ we c~. ~d ~ sec~e as we cam No. Yon don't 5~e~ reigning now. ~_~e~s no outside spe~ers. 2% not like Ag~ay wh~e y~a have PA and call *&e ~ys in the back, We c~ he~ th~. Or over m Bra%, I memn t~at~s no~J for · ~ek bus,ness, They s~e t~ng to get ~ys h2 tie y~d. We*re not wof~ng i2 a yin-d. We ~e work*in? in a concrete b~xlding M~ 13 ~*~ walls all tot?. ~d o~ raling >fR5O, w~tch exceeds ~p,g you car, even gel Mth regg3m* insulation. We ~e going ro probably heat ~ witiz ~ c~&~e ~d cool ii with ~ ice *~he. You're not going to he~ an~ng ontside. ~d as a of fact. inside, it's exi~ely quiet. MEMBER GOEH~GER: Let's taH~ gJaout Ge wgehouse bn{Id{ngs. Eye,him?, agalm is done by ~n~dual ra~o to fPxe indi~du~ erapIoyees. MR. FRO~-HOEFER: We do eye,bin? by phone, ip~side. We have in1~coms, intercom chone sysco. The pb_one syslem ~one is $200K. MEMBER GOEH~GER: So th~e*s not going to be ~y exterior speak~s? ~. FRO~HOEFER: No. not -~!ess she w~ts to play music at MEMBER GOEHR~GER: I had anoCer question, but somehow I for?or CHAIRWOMAN: Ms. Oiva? MEMBER O*~xVA: No. he mnsw~red all tb_e cues!ions I had. CHAIRWOMAN: Mr. Orlando? MEMBER ORLA~O: A quick one [ th~p& {t~s a goat structure. ~d I applauJ you for gafebing the tiger by the tail for ih~s proj :ct h~e. Just I{ke ~ tlnip& fe~ rapped on it~ I jusx P~ge 1~ 8~7~@3 S~u~ho~d Town Board of Appe~ Spec~a~ Mee~g Pubic Hea~g to m~e s~e. Res~ations on ~e gd ~oor, ob~o~}y youYe go~ng to have ~r cond~fiordng up ~e, I wo~d ~ess, maybe, for ~e ~les? MR. FRO~OEFER: For ~e retire b~lding because of the ~ess ef~e b~Id~ng. We have ~o h~ve ~ exch~ge. So we Mil be heating by air ducts ~d her ~r ~forced cooing ~. All of~e ~r conditioning Mil be an hhe backside by ~e ~ Wack. R wit~ not be heard, ~fs ex~ely quiet. ME~ER O~ANDO: Because ~at 3ra flaor Mil heated ~d cooled just for mold consol, d~pness, etc. MR. FRO~HOEFER: And elec~o~ ~we have ~y elec~o~cs up there. MEMBER GOEHR~GER: I have a question. Is there a k~tchen in ~e b~td~g? ~. FRO~OEFER: ~ere isa bre~ room. ~at's ~t. ~ere may be a m~crowave. We're not talking abcut an~ng else. No s~e~ng. You c~t sle~ on duW. MS. WIC~M: Just ~sw~ a I~Ie bit ~er yo~ question on no~se. You recall the 3 build~ngs ~e co~ected internally, so ~ha~ w~l] mi~m~ze outside int~erence. MR. FRO~HOEFER: Yes, but ~ey ~e ~so s~ated by stee] doors. F~r~roof w~ays in- between. MEMBER GOEHR~GER: ~ow~ng CapL Joe's op~fion, I would ass~e if he wanted to con~act someone, then he would e~er by radio er teI~hone, MR. FROH~OEFER: ~afs ~e way we do ~t. Pages... CHA~WO~N: Seeing there ~e no o~ questions, do you have ~hing else you'd like to add? MR. FROHNHOEFER: I'd just l~ke to, wh~ we get it done~ I hope we c~ get it done, in~te eveubody down to tmke a look. Because it's probably go~ng to be the newest tec~olo~ ~o~d. ~d the most leading s~ff~n ~e cas* end. Also it's go~ng to be ~ ex,pie, we have people ~om NY coming out to t~e a look ar ~t because ~fs that close to being explosion proof. One of the v~ ~nterest~ng things we found, ~ust to ~ve ycu a heads up, is that with the insulated concrete fo~s, ~d the fact t~at ifs an 8" po~ed cen~ete wail with reinforcing, they set off50 pvmnds of dynamite 30' away ~om ~e b~ld~ng. ~d they found it d~d no damage whatsoever. R was absorbed. The ~mpact ~om the explosion was absorbed by the st~afom on ~e bto&s. So ~t w~ the c~osest thing they have fi~t now to ~ explosion proof building. Th~e's a lot of people that ~e ve~ ~nt~es~ed. MEMBER ORLANDO: ~en's the potential s~ date7 Page 11 of~3 S®~®k[ Tow~ B~r{[ of Appe~is Spee~l Mee~g ~bF~e ][{e~ri~ ~. FR©HNH©EFER: As soon as ~ gar approval. MEMBER ORLANDO: How long is the project go~ng ~e t~e? A yom'? ~. FROHNHOEFER: I~'s not p~ng ~o tmke t::at ~ong. ~Ss s¢~s Z~ke Lego toys. Xt goes pre~y 4aiek ~e Mgges~ t~i=g 5s go~ng to be the ~ ~me for '~e cor,~ete, wHdn goes ~ ar 3,0OO po'md cox~crere ~d &Sos up to 5.000 p~=d s~eag~ beck. se o~the .~ze f~me. You've ~ 2 week c~e ~me. SeeSng ff~e fo~ 2se~ and it m=ti~mes to 5~5~6 s~enUS_ w~+~n the next n~b~r ofmont~. I ~J~ 6 monks, k's ,ap to like 4~800 pounds s~en~h. I was down ~ere cle~ing up mad doing exploratoU scrapkg r© iud o~cl wha~ we had -~d~_eaf~ ~d because eveu place I dig ~o~ +~ere i ~n ~o a wM~ no mat~er ~r~ere I scoop do~ md t~e a showk It's a 24'* con.ere wMt. ~nd I haven't ~t ~ine bottom ye~, I don'I kaow wS~e it goes. les deep and thee% a kmxch of ~em. ~ere~s 3 or 4 oflhem, ~2s was ~e old f~iiz~ fac~o~ ye~s age ~d ~hat's gl dealed out But fao con.eta walls were so ~iick, tsar ~dd]e 5~Al~lng ~at exists now. ~iat buS,ding, ~e wails on tidal ~e L3 or 14" of p~ed cop_crete ~th 6 abu~ents inside the bas.ont. I co,Ad se~: offs~ explosion down ~ere ~_d nobody wouM even lmow it It's ~believable. CHAIRWOMAN: ~d it was kcili that [~ck? MR. FRO~[HOEFER: h was built Gat t~ck ~d the timbers in the basement of that tking MEMBER O~ANDO: ~at's GLF? MR. FRO~OEFER: Name of the fe~iliz~ comp~, a long time ago. ~[S. OLWA: ~ woGd Gay build tsar de~? Because of explosions wiih ihe fertilizer? MR. FRO~IOEFER: ~_ey 'ased to put '~e fe~iilzer 5n the basements or i~ne buildings, ~d would pick up moister and harden. ~d they'd rake i[ltie huxd sticks of d~:mite to blow k CHARWOMAN: ~ m~e a mo~ion to close '~-e being so we don*t have to eanscfibe al! of this, MS. WIC~AM: Tlnere was a point to that histo~cal se~ay. If or_ building 53 they find iS_a~ finis footing, or fore, damon is a problem, would you object to putting m akenqative *:rovislor~ m yo~ decision shouM you ~mi what we ask for, re move that hMidSng ~3 up to. you ~ MR. FRO~HOEFER: 1 ~ - 2', MS. WIC~¢AM: Ue to 2' ~her no~h. Page 13 Sou~hold Town Board of Appeals Special lV/eeth~g Publ/c ~t/e~r/ng C~WO~: Tell you what, Ms. Wic~, h~e's what I wo~d like YOu to do. I'd like you tc just ~ve us a couple of p~a~vhs, a s~opsis, where it wo~d be exactly, 3~ to ~e no~, east, sou~, west... MS. WIC~AM: As an ~temative should constmc~on det~ne... CHARWOMAN: Cons~cfion should not remove hhe r~dns ofhhe f~ilizer factor. MR. FRO~HOEFER: ~e ~ddle building h~ a basement. ~e o~er does not, s~hctly a 4' footing, no. You're only/a~g about a foot, foot ~d a h~f. CHAIRWO~N: I'm going to close ~e he~g pending receipt oflett~ fi'om Ms. Wic~ who Mil ~ve us t~e le~er by next week, FNday. PLEASE SEE M~UTES FOR ~SOLUTtON Page 13 of 13