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1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK
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TOWN BOARD
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Southold, New York
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October 8 , 2024
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15 B E F 0 R E :
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17 ALBERT KRUPSKI JR, SUPERVISOR
18 LOUISA P . EVANS , JUSTICE
19 JILL DOHERTY, COUNCILWOMAN
20 BRIAN 0 . MEALY, COUNCILMAN
21 GREG DOROSKI , COUNCILMAN
22 ANNE H . SMITH, COUNCILWOMAN
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OCTOBER 8, 2024 REGULAR MEETING 2
1 INDEX TO TESTIMONY
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3 Public Hearing
4 LL Chapter 75 Alarm Systems 3-5
5 LL Chapter 111 Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas 5-7
6 LL Chapter 197 7- 10
7 LL Chapter 280 10-19
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Public Comments 19-38
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OCTOBER 8, 2024 REGULAR MEETING 3
1 PUBLIC HEARING
2 CHAPTER 75 - ALARM SYSTEMS
3 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : So the
4 first public hearing tonight , and I ' m
5 going to read a summary here first . The
6 purpose of tonight ' s first public
7 hearing is to consider certain changes
8 to Chapter 75 of the Town ' s Code
9 entitled Alarm Systems . The proposed
10 change to be considered by the Board is
11 to establish that all fees shall be set
12 from time to time by resolution of the
13 Town Board . The proposal also defines
14 the reach of the chapter to all
15 jurisdictions . To all areas within the
16 jurisdiction of Southold Town Police
17 Department . In the folder here , I have
18 a copy of the Affidavit of Publication
19 of the legal notice in the Suffolk
20 Times , along with a copy of the invoice
21 for a payment of that . I have a copy of
22 the legal notice itself, setting the
23 public hearing . I have an affidavit,
24 signed by our Town Clerk, Denis
25 Noncarrow, that the legal notice setting
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1 the public hearing was posted on the
2 Town Clerk ' s bulletin board, and I have
3 a copy of the resolution setting the
4 public hearing . That ' s what I got .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Is all
6 the paperwork in order,
7 Mr . DeChance?
8 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : Yes .
9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
10 you .
11 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : So just
12 looking at the Zoom, is that participant
13 or is it attendees , panelists or
14 attendees ? Do we know who the attendees
15 are there?
16 SECRETARY : It ' s just one . Anne
17 Murray .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
19 right . Thank you . So we ' ll open the
20 public hearing . Is there anyone would
21 like to speak to the public hearing of
22 the alarm piece?
23 (No Response .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I don ' t
25 see any hands up on Zoom or in the
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1 meeting hall . Can I have a motion to
2 close the hearing?
3 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Motion
4 to close .
5 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Second .
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
7 favor?
8 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
10 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
11 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
12 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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15 CHAPTER 111 - COASTAL EROSION
16 HAZARD AREAS
17 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : The
18 purpose of tonight ' s second public
19 hearing Is to consider certain changes
20 to Chapter 111 of the Town Code Entitled
21 Coastal Erosion Hazard Area . Areas the
22 proposed changes to be considered by the
23 Town Board is to establish that all fees
24 shall be set from time to time by
25 resolution of the Town Board . In the
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1 folder here, I have a copy of the
2 Affidavit of Publication of the legal
3 notice From the Suffolk Times . I have a
4 copy of the invoice for payment of this
5 advertisement . I have a copy of the
6 legal notice itself, advertising the
7 public hearing . I have an affidavit
8 signed by our Town Clerk, Denis
9 Noncarrow, that the legal notice was
10 posted on the Town Clerk ' s Bulletin
11 Board in the back . And I have a copy of
12 the resolution adopted by the Town
13 Board, setting tonight ' s public hearing .
14 That ' s what I got .
15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
16 Mr . DeChance, are all the notifications
17 and postings in order?
18 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : The
19 notifications are in order .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
21 you . All right . Would anyone here like
22 to speak on the public hearing, Coastal
23 Erosion?
24 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : Not regarding the
25 fees .
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1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Oh,
2 this is about just to set the fees . All
3 right . Fine . I ' m looking at the Zoom,
4 I don ' t see any hands up . If there ' s no
5 comment , I will entertain a motion to
6 close the hearing?
7 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Motion to
8 close the hearing .
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I ' ll
10 second that .
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
12 favor?
13 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
14 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
15 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
16 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
17 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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20 CHAPTER 197
21 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : The
22 purpose of tonight ' s third public
23 hearing is to consider an amendment to
24 Chapter 197 , peddlers , solicitors , and
25 transient retail merchants to be
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1 renamed, peddlers , solicitors ,
2 loitering, and transient retail
3 merchants to prohibit loitering in
4 public places , as defined in the
5 amendment, and penalties for such
6 offense . In the folder here , I have a
7 copy of the affidavit of publication of
8 the legal notice in the Suffolk Times .
9 I have a copy of the invoice for payment
10 of this advertisement . I have a copy of
11 the legal notice advertising tonight ' s
12 public hearing . I have a copy of an
13 affidavit signed by our Town Clerk,
14 Denis Noncarrow, certifying that the
15 legal notice was posted on the Town
16 Clerk ' s bulletin board . And I have a
17 copy of the resolution adopted by this
18 Town Board setting tonight ' s public
19 hearing . That ' s what I got .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Mr .
21 DeChance, are all the notices and
22 postings in place?
23 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : Yes ,
24 everything is in order .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
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1 you . All right . I don ' t see any
2 comments from the Zoom platform . Is
3 there anyone here who would like to
4 comment on this public hearing?
5 (No Response ) .
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Seeing
7 none , do I have a motion to close?
8 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : So moved .
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Do we
10 want to hold this open? I ' ll make a
11 motion that we hold this open till --
12 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : I think
13 the motion should be to hold open until
14 December 3rd .
15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
16 right . And we have a motion to hold it
17 open?
18 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Till
19 December 3rd . And I ' ll second that .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
21 favor?
22 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
23 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
24 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
25 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
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1 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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4 CHAPTER 280
5 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : The
6 purpose of tonight ' s fourth and final
7 public hearing is to consider certain
8 amendments to Chapter 280 Zoning to
9 permit daycare and pet care uses in
10 certain zoning districts in the town .
11 In the folder here, I have a copy of a
12 letter, a memo from the Suffolk County
13 Planning Commission, defining this
14 matter as a matter of local
15 determination . I have a copy of a
16 letter from the Town Planning Board
17 here , Supporting this amendment . I have
18 a letter to the LWRP Coordinator . Okay .
19 So I have a letter to the LWRP
20 Coordinator asking whether this is in
21 conformance with it , with the LWRP . And
22 as of this morning, we had not received
23 the letter with his assessment back . I
24 have a notice that were sent to adjacent
25 jurisdictions . An affidavit of
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1 publication of the legal notice in the
2 Suffolk Times . I have a copy of the
3 legal notice itself, advertising the
4 public hearing . I have an affidavit of
5 posted signed by our Deputy Town Clerk,
6 Lynda Rudder, affirming that it was
7 posted on the Town Clerk ' s Bulletin
8 Board in the back . I have a copy of the
9 resolution adopted by this Town Board
10 setting tonight ' s public hearing . And I
11 have just been provided with a LWRP memo
12 stating that this is consistent with the
13 LWRP . So it appears that the folder is
14 in order .
15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
16 you . Mr . DeChance, are all the public
17 notices and postings in order?
18 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : The
19 public notices are in order, Mr .
20 Supervisor . The Board should be aware
21 that the matter needs to be held open
22 for SEQRA coordination, review, and
23 adoption .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
25 right . Thank you . We will hold the
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1 public hearing, though?
2 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : Yes .
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : There
4 is no one with a hand up on Zoom. Would
5 anyone here like to comment on the
6 proposed change?
7 ROBERT DUNN : On the use
8 regulations for -- Robert Dunn, Peconic .
9 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Mr . Dunn,
10 can you just -- we know who you are
11 you ' re the seventh board member . But
12 could you just announce yourself and
13 your address --
14 ROBERT DUNN : I just did . I
15 realized I didn ' t and then I did .
16 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Thank you .
17 ROBERT DUNN : The pet care facility
18 at the -- in the B District, you think
19 we might -- you might want to put some
20 notice there about outdoor use? A lot
21 of these places have daytime kennels on
22 the outside . And whether you ' re in a B
23 District or not, there are people living
24 there . And should they have to listen
25 to barking all day? So there needs to
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1 be some finessing there, I would think,
2 for noise . I mean, I think it ' s
3 appropriate to allow them in that
4 district . I ' m not debating that . I ' m
5 not debating anything you do here, other
6 than just this one thing that I think
7 may have just been overlooked . What do
8 you do if you have eight dogs in the
9 yard next to you? You have to live in a
10 Business District in an apartment
11 upstairs from those eight dogs . And
12 you ' ve got a baby, who sleeps in the
13 daytime , with howling dogs behind him?
14 I don ' t know about that .
15 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : We did
16 discuss this when we were talking about
17 it in Code Committee, and there is a
18 line in the definition, pet care
19 facility . The use of outdoor areas for
20 services provided must be supervised to
21 prevent the occurrence of objectionable
22 noise or other nuisances beyond the
23 boundaries of the site , which is
24 located . All household pets must be
25 controlled at all time . So on and so
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1 forth . It talks about waste disposal .
2 ROBERT DUNN : I don ' t doubt waste
3 disposal . I don ' t doubt -- the
4 objectionable . I don ' t doubt the
5 professionalism of anybody who goes into
6 any of these business . I ' m not
7 questioning that . I ' m just questioning
8 the reality, the harsh reality of having
9 ten dogs next to your bedroom window
10 outside .
11 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Do you
12 think it ' s not enough to say the
13 occurrence of objectionable noise?
14 ROBERT DUNN : You ' re going to go
15 object to a dog?
16 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Well , I
17 think it sets it up that the neighbor
18 can complain . And if there ' s an
19 objectionable noise coming off the site,
20 then code violations --
21 ROBERT DUNN : So if you guys think
22 that ' s not .
23 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : We
24 thought it was pretty clear . There were
25 no decibel requirements . It ' s
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1 basically, at least in my reading, no
2 noise is allowed to permeate the
3 boundaries of the site . So any noise
4 that ' s objectionable is a no-no . Which
5 I think in some sense is better than our
6 current noise code, which talks about
7 decibels and it ' s kind of open for
8 interpretation .
9 ROBERT DUNN : I hear what you ' re
10 saying, but it ' s just dogs are not
11 controllable .
12 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Well , I
13 think it ' s the responsibility of the pet
14 care facility manager . If they want to
15 have the dogs outside, they need to be
16 controlled . If not , violations will be
17 issued . It ' s in violation of the code
18 as it ' s written . It may not be a
19 reality, but I think, you know, we ' ve
20 seen other pet care facilities . You
21 know in other towns where it ' s worked .
22 Currently in our town, it ' s allowed in
23 the LB District . And we really haven ' t
24 seen any issues there . I think as the
25 Town Board was discussing it , this came
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1 in as a request in a in a B zone . It
2 made sense if it was allowed in the LB
3 Zone , which is actually more closely
4 located with residential property .
5 ROBERT DUNN : I ' m not debating that
6 either . I agree with you . I agree with
7 you . I just see a problem coming -- a
8 potential problem coming up . And if you
9 happen to live next to that or to that,
10 it could be a --
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I
12 understand that . These are all subject
13 to site plan approval . So they will be
14 reviewed .
15 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : That ' s
16 another good point .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : You
18 can ' t just open up a business tomorrow .
19 So this is subject to Planning Board
20 review for a site plan . So that noise
21 outdoor area for storage pets would be
22 considered as how it ' s going to impact
23 the neighbors . Certainly visually and
24 noise-wise .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That
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1 would require public noticing --
2 ROBERT DUNN : Your wisdom on
3 somebody else down the road . I agree , I
4 would --
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : It
6 would be public notice , too . So the
7 neighbors would be publicly noticed that
8 this is being proposed next to them. So
9 they would have an opportunity to go and
10 say it ' s just going to be screened . How
11 is it going to be controlled? Hours of
12 operation, all those things would have
13 to be considered .
14 ROBERT DUNN : Okay . It ' s an issue
15 because I --
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So
17 noted . And we have to keep this hearing
18 open also . So this will be .
19 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : No, we
20 don ' t anymore because we have the
21 response --
22 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : We do , we
23 don ' t have the SEQRA determination . We
24 have LWRP .
25 ROBERT DUNN : I mean, it all sounds
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1 logic to me, to you . Next door to
2 you -- to live next door . Thanks .
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We will
4 have the Planning staff consider
5 these -- I ' m sorry, consider your
6 comments as this hearing is still going
7 to be open . We cannot close it tonight .
8 And maybe -- well , maybe they ' ll
9 consider something a little more
10 specific when it -- in relation to the
11 noise issue .
12 Do I have a motion to table?
13 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : I make a
14 motion that we hold this over to
15 December 3 , 2024 .
16 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I ' ll
17 second that .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
19 favor?
20 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
21 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
22 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
23 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
24 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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2 PUBLIC COMMENTS
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So that
4 concludes our regular agenda . Is anyone
5 here would like to adjust the Board on
6 any issue?
7 KAREN MCLENNAN : Thank you very
8 much for giving me an opportunity to
9 speak . My name is Karen McLennan . I ' m
10 a doctor of audiology . I reside at
11 52325 Unit 16 , County Road 48 . I ' m here
12 representing the 40 some odd tenants
13 that live at the North Fork Beach
14 condos . My father-in-law purchased the
15 unit -- two units originally, and now we
16 are the current owners . So we ' ve been
17 out here for 20 plus years and have
18 loved every minute of it . It ' s a
19 precious town . So we are concerned
20 about the coastal erosion . We are
21 concerned about the road, with severe
22 weather threats potentially occurring
23 more frequently . We are concerned about
24 the state of our beach, the state of the
25 road, the condition of the road
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1 deteriorating . We have a significant
2 amount of erosion currently at our beach
3 front, and which only leads to more
4 concern for the homes in the community .
5 So as a representative of the condo,
6 we ' re here to let you know that we ' d
7 like to work together . If there ' s
8 anything we can do to -- to move the --
9 the -- preserving the beach, the
10 roadway, we ' re more than happy to
11 contribute . And we welcome thoughts on
12 how to continue to protect our coastal
13 areas and the community at large . And
14 we ' re here to work with you . Thank you
15 very much .
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : But
17 just to be clear, you ' re just west of
18 Town Beach?
19 KAREN MCLENNAN : Yes .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Okay .
21 So yes , we are well aware of that
22 situation there . In fact , Councilwoman
23 Smith and I took a look at it one day .
24 And I ' ve also been out there separately
25 to look at it . We had many discussions
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1 with the Town Highway Department and the
2 Town Engineer . We are currently getting
3 it surveyed, so we know exactly what we
4 have to work with there . And then
5 we ' ll -- I really welcome your outreach .
6 So we can work together there and try
7 to .
8 KAREN MCLENNAN : Thank you .
9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And
10 we ' re addressing this all over town,
11 where the coastal erosion processes ,
12 which have been active in the past , are
13 now really rating because of the sea
14 level rise . So we ' re taking that very
15 seriously there .
16 KAREN MCLENNAN : Great . Thank you
17 very much . Either myself or other
18 subcommittees focused on this particular
19 aspect of our condo will be attending
20 future meetings and they also welcome
21 the opportunity to work with you . And
22 thank you very much for your service and
23 for your time today .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
25 you, please -- please contact my office,
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1 so I will contact information .
2 KAREN MCLENNAN : Yes , I will .
3 Thank you .
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Would
5 anyone else like to add --
6 JOHN GIBBONS : Hi , John Gibbons . I
7 live in Cutchogue . Before I begin my
8 business before the Board today, which
9 is in climate change, two observations .
10 I love democracy . As Winston Churchill
11 said, "Democracy is the worst form of
12 government except for all of the
13 others . " Second observation I ' d like to
14 make is Al Krupski , I ' m loving your tie .
15 Thank you .
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
17 you . Glad you came tonight .
18 JOHN GIBBONS : I ' m here today to
19 speak to you, not just for myself, but
20 on behalf of the membership of the
21 Greenport and Southold American
22 Legion -- the membership of the
23 Greenport and Southold American Legion
24 posts , Mattituck Post is , I believe, no
25 longer functioning . So they ' re not
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1 involved in this . We ' re here asking
2 that the Town Board consider honoring a
3 man who served the Town with
4 distinction, and served the country with
5 incredible valor . And I ' m talking about
6 George Sullivan, the long-term Receiver
7 of Taxes . I have several documents that
8 I ' d like to read into the public record .
9 I have copies that I ' ll give to all of
10 you, but I think I ' d rather read it
11 first and let you actually just listen
12 to it . The first is a letter to Al
13 Krupski , the Supervisor of the Town .
14 It ' s signed by myself as a veteran, Jack
15 Martellotta, as the commander of the
16 Greenport American Legion Post, and
17 David DeFriest, the commander of the
18 Southold American Legion Post . "Dear
19 Supervisor Kruspski . Traditionally,
20 Southold Town has honored individuals
21 who have provided distinguished service
22 to the Town by naming various town owned
23 properties in their honor . This ensures
24 that their contributions and service to
25 the town will be honored in perpetuity .
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1 Lieutenant George R . Sullivan has
2 provided distinguished service to the
3 Southold Town as a longtime Receiver of
4 Taxes . Lieutenant Sullivan is also a
5 genuine American hero who served
6 gallantly in the United States Marine
7 Corps during the Vietnam conflict . His
8 heroism in combat earned him the Navy
9 Cross , the nation ' s second highest medal
10 for gallantry in combat . We asked the
11 Town Board to name a Town Park as a
12 lasting tribute to the service,
13 sacrifice, and gallantry, both of
14 Lieutenant Sullivan and all Southold
15 Town veterans . The following documents
16 are provided in support of this request .
17 One, the United States Department of
18 Defense military awards for valor,
19 descriptions of medals to the Navy
20 Cross ; second, the citation for awarding
21 the Navy Cross to Lieutenant George
22 Sullivan; third, a resolution proposal
23 for renaming a park in honor of
24 Lieutenant George R . Sullivan, and all
25 military veterans . The membership of
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1 the Southold and Greenport American
2 Legion posts unanimously endorse this
3 resolution . " And I can say with
4 confidence that every veteran would
5 endorse what we are asking here today .
6 Every veteran from Southold Town . The
7 document that I ' m going to read now is
8 the U . S . Department of Defense Military
9 Awards for Valor, description of medals .
10 And Navy Cross is the second highest
11 medal decoration that may be awarded to
12 a member of the United States Navy, the
13 U . S . Marine Corps , and members of the
14 Coast Guard when operating under the
15 authority of the Department of the Navy .
16 It is awarded for extraordinary heroism,
17 while engaged in action against an enemy
18 of the United States , while engaged in
19 military operations involving conflict
20 with an opposing foreign force, or while
21 serving with friendly foreign forces
22 engaged in armed conflict against an
23 opposing armed force in which the United
24 States is not a belligerent party .
25 Actions that merit the Navy Cross must
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1 be of such a high degree that they are
2 above those required for all other U . S .
3 combat decorations , but do not merit the
4 award of the Medal of Honor . The Navy
5 Cross is equivalent to the Distinguished
6 Service Cross , in the Army, and the Air
7 Force Cross and the Air Force . Just so
8 you understand, there are four awards
9 for combat valor . The lowest is a
10 Bronze Star, and when I say lowest , it ' s
11 still a significant achievement to be
12 awarded one of these valor awards . So
13 there ' s the Bronze Star, the Silver
14 Star, the Navy Cross , and the Medal of
15 Honor . I don ' t think -- I shouldn ' t say
16 this , but I ' m not sure that Southold has
17 ever had anyone receive the Medal of
18 Honor or even the Navy Cross . Now a
19 historian might prove me wrong, but it ' s
20 a significant award . What I ' m going to
21 read now is the citation for the award
22 to George R . Sullivan . There ' s a term
23 in there . It ' s a military term,
24 deflated area . It means an area that ' s
25 because of the terrain, either natural
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1 or man-made, provides relative safety
2 from enemy fire . This is the citation
3 for the award presented to George
4 Sullivan . The President of the United
5 States of America takes pleasure in
6 presenting the Navy Cross to First
7 Lieutenant George R . Sullivan, the
8 United States Marine Corps Reserve , for
9 extraordinary heroism while serving as a
10 platoon commander with Company L 3rd
11 Battalion, 4th Marines , 3rd Marine
12 Division reinforced -- Fleet Marine
13 Force, in the Republic of Vietnam on
14 17th, March, 1967 during Operation
15 Prairie II . While in a search and clear
16 mission in the vicinity of Dong Ha and
17 Cuong Trie Province , 2nd Lieutenant
18 Sullivan ' s platoon was approaching a
19 suspected Viet Cong controlled village
20 when it came under tense small arms and
21 automatic weapons fire from a well
22 concealed enemy force of estimated
23 battalion size . After skillfully
24 employing his men in order to bring a
25 heavy volume of fire on the enemy
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1 positions , 2nd Lieutenant Sullivan
2 observed an enemy automatic weapon to
3 his front and realizing the necessity of
4 neutralizing the well fortified
5 position, he courageously moved across
6 open fire swept terrain, to within 10
7 meters of the Viet Cong emplacement and
8 silenced the enemy weapon with a
9 grenade . After he had directed a
10 machine gun team into a forward position
11 to deliver suppressive fire at the
12 enemy, he observed that the team' s
13 weapon had malfunctioned .
14 Unhesitatingly, he moved through
15 concentrated enemy fire to the team' s
16 location and cleared the weapon .
17 Meanwhile, another machine gun team had
18 begun moving with their weapon forward,
19 but both Marines were wounded and fell
20 in an exposed area to enemy fire .
21 Courageously, 2nd Lieutenant Sullivan
22 again disregarded the heavy enemy fire
23 and unmindful of his own personal
24 safety, moved to their position and
25 carried them to a deflated area,
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1 undoubtedly saving their lives . Later
2 while moving among his men encouraging
3 them and directing their fire, he was
4 painfully wounded in his shoulder, arm,
5 and both legs . Although unable to move,
6 he continued to direct the actions of
7 his platoon while requesting air
8 support , medical evacuation for the
9 wounded, and a resupply of ammunition .
10 And only after reinforcements had
11 arrived under the cover of darkness did
12 he allow himself to be evacuated by his
13 intrepid fighting spirit, selfless
14 courage , bold initiative, and unswerving
15 devotion to duty at great personal risk,
16 Second Lieutenant Sullivan reflected a
17 great credit upon himself and upheld the
18 highest traditions of the Marine Corps
19 and the United States Naval Service .
20 What we are asking is that Southold Town
21 renamed a park in honor of Lieutenant
22 George Sullivan, but also knowing
23 George ' s modesty, we ' re asking that that
24 park be named not only in his honor, but
25 in honor of all Southold Town veterans .
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1 The resolution proposal , and, of course,
2 this is just for your consideration, we,
3 the members of the Southold Greenport
4 American Legion posts , suggest that a
5 town property be named in honor of
6 Lieutenant George R . Sullivan and all
7 Southold Town veterans who have
8 honorably served this country . We hope
9 you agree that, much like Veterans Park
10 on Peconic Bay and Mattituck, a tribute
11 to a true American hero, and all
12 veterans should be a place of high
13 visibility and significance . We suggest
14 that the following Southold Town parks
15 are suitable for this honor . Silver
16 Smiths Corner Park, Young ' s Avenue Park,
17 the Southold Town Beach . The wording is
18 suggested, Lieutenant George R . Sullivan
19 Veterans Memorial Park . I have copies
20 of all of this for you guys to consider .
21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
22 you . Thank you for bringing this up .
23 This is -- for those of us who are
24 fortunate to know George . It ' s quite a
25 -- it ' s quite an accounting of what he
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1 did .
2 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I want
3 to say that George used to run a golf
4 outing . And I helped him out, and now I
5 am chair of that running that golf
6 outing . And we call it the changed to
7 the George Sullivan golf outing . And we
8 read that, what you read, we read that
9 every time before the shotgun start .
10 He ' s a tremendous man .
11 JOHN GIBBONS : The first instinct
12 when bullets are firing is dunk and
13 cover . Thank you very much . I
14 appreciate you ' re hearing that . And,
15 it ' s just for your consideration .
16 Thanks very much for your opportunity to
17 speak to you .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
19 you .
20 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Thank you
21 very much . Mr . Gibbons , thank you for
22 your service as a veteran and for your
23 skill teaching ability . And I still
24 remember some of your lessons .
25 JOHN GIBBONS : Appreciate colorful
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1 times .
2 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Dr . Anne
3 Smith and I are part of the Park and Rec
4 Committee . With careful concentration
5 with the Town Board and the Town
6 Attorney, we will review what you ' ve
7 sent us . So thank you for standing up
8 and being a witness for Mr . Sullivan .
9 And just a reminder that those centers
10 for the veterans , they have this program
11 for Southold post, where you can honor
12 your veteran with a picture and it ' s on,
13 it ' s -- what is it on? The telephone
14 post?
15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : The
16 light pole .
17 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Just thank
18 you for, you know, bringing attention to
19 veterans , and that ' s such a nice program
20 that people and families can contribute
21 to .
22 JOHN GIBBONS : Yeah, thank you .
23 I ' m not here for myself . This is for
24 George Sullivan . He is a hero . If you
25 haven ' t served in the military and faced
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1 enemy fire , you know, what he did is
2 extraordinary . And it merits , I think,
3 an honor that ' s permanent in nature .
4 And of course , George would always want
5 all veterans to be included . That ' s why
6 there was that suggestion . This is --
7 this was not my idea exclusively . There
8 was a cooperation . The members of the
9 American Legion posts had a lot of
10 impact on the actual form of this
11 resolution . But thank you guys , I
12 appreciate your opportunity .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
14 you .
15 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Thank
16 you .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Anyone
18 else like to address the Board on any
19 issue?
20 TOM STEVENSON : How are you? Tom
21 Stevenson . Orient . I almost said
22 Southold . I was lucky enough to know
23 George Sullivan, when I was in my
24 younger days here in Southold . And his
25 humility, just unbelievable . But how do
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1 you stay a warm person like that still
2 after what he went through, Sorry, but a
3 special guy . I love the idea of town,
4 Town Beach . Plus the history there . I
5 don ' t know if you know the revolutionary
6 war history there . Meeks Raid, which is
7 what I consider the origin of the U . S .
8 Special Forces . You know, let ' s look it
9 up, Meeks Raid, unbelievable stuff .
10 That ' s not why I came here, but a third
11 way to tie that in, and Bill Ruland,
12 also a special guy, who ' s not with us ,
13 but I had suggested to him, why not look
14 at an artificial reef off of Town Beach .
15 And since the Navy is retiring, they
16 retired three constellation class ships
17 just this month . Can they live fire,
18 sink when they ' re? No . But, I mean, a
19 700 foot ship, you know, blocking -- I
20 think you need something offshore there,
21 honestly . I don ' t know how else you ' re
22 going to stop those . It ' s way too much
23 wave . But nothing like what they ' re
24 going to get in Florida . Anyway, that ' s
25 not why I came in . And I got a zip off
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1 to school board in a second here . But
2 the committee -- I was listening to the
3 work session, the committee discussion
4 was great . The handbook, I think that ' s
5 well , definitely needed . I ' ve been
6 serving for more than 10 years on the AG
7 Committee . Some years as chair, and I
8 think it would be helpful . Also being
9 on a School Board, the trainings , you go
10 through the ethics and financial ' s ,
11 sexual harassment . Well , Robert ' s Rules
12 and parliamentary procedure, those are
13 not things that are going to come
14 necessarily to a volunteer that just
15 happens to get on a committee . So it
16 would also help the Town Board, you
17 know, without creating another committee
18 to study the committees and the
19 commissions . What -- What are they?
20 Task forces . Yeah, don ' t do that ' cause
21 we all know when you can ' t solve a
22 problem, you create a committee . But
23 the -- what else do I have? Sorry . I ' m
24 trying not to um too much . Oh,
25 Executive Session trainings , you know,
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1 like , I mean, I know that like AG
2 Committee, we don ' t violate it because I
3 know what is and isn ' t , you know, so you
4 gotta like , time out, go back in a
5 special -- you know, regular session
6 because you can ' t, you know, let ' s not
7 just talk about anything we want to talk
8 about now because no one ' s listening and
9 the Zoom' s off . But I have noticed like
10 little inconsistency with, like -- which
11 committees have Zoom videos up or have
12 Zoom, which ones don ' t . Which ones have
13 minutes up, whether the minutes are
14 detailed, whether they ' re you know
15 because minutes aren ' t a transcript, but
16 now with technology, you know you can
17 just take your video and transcribe the
18 whole thing like this is word-for-word .
19 So I ' m sorry for ever, you know in 50
20 years read this . But I love that that
21 it ' s sort of in there forever because ,
22 you know, I love democracy too . I ' m
23 willing to fight for it . The Zoning
24 Update Committee has no videos . There ' s
25 the minutes are very not detailed . The
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1 new Water Committee , there ' s no presence
2 on the Town Website . There ' s no
3 minutes . I don ' t know what they ' re
4 doing . I can ' t get to everything . And
5 I ' m not gonna keep going here . Let ' s
6 all get out before it ' s dark . Yeah, I
7 think that was pretty much the gist of
8 it . Oh like attendance, you know, I
9 know the AG Committee, Chapter 71 ,
10 established the AG Committee . So we ' re
11 like in the code , but like an ad hoc
12 committee wouldn ' t have all the you
13 know, like if our members don ' t make
14 half the meetings , the committee votes
15 to remove . Maybe votes to remove, but
16 the Town Board appoints . We appoint the
17 chair, but should you appoint the chair?
18 I don ' t know . Should there be a
19 co-chair? If the chair can ' t be there,
20 sometimes . Anyway, a lot of things
21 there, but I think it ' s great to dig in
22 there because it ' s really important,
23 even though not as important as , you
24 know, George Sullivan . But that ' s where
25 I ' m at . The Comp Plan, also , I ' m not
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1 going to get too deep into that , but the
2 Comp plan sort of guides what the
3 committee should be doing, I think . So
4 that ' s the real decision maker . That
5 even outlasts the Town Board as the
6 makeups change . And the deliberations ,
7 the public has a right to listen to the
8 deliberations of the public officials .
9 So that ' s why it ' s so important and I ' m
10 out . Thank you .
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thanks ,
12 Tom.
13 All right . Would anyone else like
14 to address the Board?
15 (No Response ) .
16 (Whereupon, the end of the Public
17 Commentary concluded at this time,
18 followed by a discussion and closing of
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3 I , Jessica DiLallo, a Notary Public
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6 THAT , the within transcript is a
7 true record of said Board Meeting .
8 I further certify that I am not
9 related either by blood or marriage to
10 any of the parties to this action; and
11 that I am in no way interested in the
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