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1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK
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TOWN BOARD
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Southold, New York
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July 30 , 2024
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15 B E F 0 R E :
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17 ALBERT KRUPSKI JR, SUPERVISOR
18 LOUISA P . EVANS , JUSTICE
19 JILL DOHERTY, COUNCILWOMAN
20 BRIAN 0 . MEALY, COUNCILMAN
21 GREG DOROSKI , COUNCILMAN
22 ANNE H . SMITH, COUNCILWOMAN
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JULY 30, 2024 REGULAR MEETING 2
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6 Local Law Chapter 96 13-27
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Local Law Chapter 275 27-56
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JULY 30, 2024 REGULAR MEETING 3
1 PUBLIC COMMENTS
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Before
3 we start, is there anyone who like to
4 say anything in regard to any agenda
5 item before we begin?
6 JOHN BETSCH : Good evening, John
7 Betsch . Question about Resolution 673 ,
8 which has to do with the drones . Can
9 you tell me a little bit about that?
10 Several years ago, Kenney McKay ' s Beach
11 Civic Association, through a very
12 generous donation of an anonymous
13 member, donated two drones , and I ' ve
14 never seen them in use . Does this mean
15 now that we have two new drones ?
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : John,
17 that ' s the idea . Kidding . You never
18 see them in use .
19 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Well ,
20 they see you .
21 JOHN BETSCH : Does this mean how we
22 now have four drones?
23 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We
24 have . We had two before --
25 JOHN BETSCH : Are they still in
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1 existence?
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes ,
3 because we have two -- I ' m sorry, we
4 have four certified operators . They
5 have to go to school to learn how to use
6 them safely .
7 JOHN BETSCH : Okay . That was the
8 problem originally that there were no
9 certified operators . They had to get
10 them certified . So based on this new
11 grant, we should have four drones and
12 several certified operators ?
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well ,
14 we have four . I don ' t know if there ' s
15 plans to certify any more officers , but
16 I ' m not sure -- it ' s a good question .
17 We could ask the chief . It ' s a good
18 question because what their use is and
19 how often they ' re used, you know, I
20 couldn ' t tell you .
21 JOHN BETSCH : I wouldn ' t think
22 anybody in the public should really care
23 or know about the drone usage . I think
24 it might be good publicity for the
25 police department to show the benefits
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1 of the drones . A lot of people are
2 anti-drone , but there is a lot of
3 benefits to the drone usage .
4 Particularly on the sound when people
5 are out and you can ' t get to . I know
6 that the original drones had flare
7 capability, which is a heat sensitivity
8 thing . I think it would be a good
9 publicity . To let people know .
10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : It ' s a
11 good idea . Good way to use officer ' s
12 times and see things quickly . Where you
13 can ' t necessarily send someone on a
14 beach or to a crowd or around buildings
15 and everything . We went through this
16 years ago . Like on a beach, there ' s
17 no -- you don ' t have any expectation of
18 privacy because it ' s a public space . So
19 that ' s not an issue , as far as , the
20 privacy . Obviously you can ' t, you don ' t
21 want to fly over private property unless
22 there ' s some sort of a missing child
23 situation or something where you really
24 try to find someone . So there ' s a lot
25 of there ' s been a lot of rules over the
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1 years associated with drone use by
2 Public Safety, but we ' ll -- we can find
3 out for you, if you want?
4 JOHN BETSCH : I think this is a
5 good thing . And I think it ' s a good
6 opportunity for the Town and the Police
7 Department to show the benefits of use
8 of drones . Thank you .
9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
10 you .
11 CHARLES SALIS : Hi , Charles Salis ,
12 Cutchogue . I wanted to talk about the
13 Affordable Housing provisions and as we
14 move forward, as I ' m working towards
15 developing some Affordable Housing . And
16 how the rental situation might work for
17 now and into the future . Having
18 provisions that are somewhat -- that the
19 people are really eligible, but they
20 stay eligible as time goes forward . And
21 checking them, and if they ' re not
22 eligible, maybe possibly having someone
23 or someone with -- I don ' t know, the
24 Town, if they ' re going to have a
25 designated person to help with housing,
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1 and Affordable Housing . I think there ' s
2 a need for that because we ' re still kind
3 of guiding our way through this . And as
4 proposals of having quite a few units
5 coming online , I don ' t have all the
6 provisions of what that really means .
7 There are many municipalities and other
8 townships that have provisions that I
9 don ' t think someone should be there if
10 they have larger assets than 'W' , okay .
11 And they can afford to be someplace
12 else , which preclude someone who might
13 really need it, or they basically
14 achieve a certain financial level of
15 income, and they no longer need to be
16 there . That it opens it up for someone
17 else .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That ' s
19 something that was considered -- the
20 first part of that was considered is
21 what would, you know, who would be
22 qualified to be in it . And first time
23 homeowner was usually someone qualified
24 for that, and then that has to be
25 defined . And we had that defined in the
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1 code years ago . And I ' m sure we ' ll have
2 to look at that again . As far as the
3 other one, that ' s a stickier one .
4 Somebody gets into any kind of
5 subsidized housing, and then their
6 fortunes improve , at what point are they
7 no longer eligible to take advantage of
8 that housing? That ' s a much stickier
9 question, because you don ' t want to set
10 a threshold and say, Well , you ' re
11 making -- I ' ll make a number up, $20 an
12 hour, so you qualify, as soon as you
13 make $21 an hour, it ' s not going to
14 improve your fortune as enough to buy a
15 house on the water here, but you have to
16 leave . So that -- and that ' s what we ' ve
17 been discussing for quite a bit . I know
18 there ' s a Housing Committee that ' s been
19 working on this diligently . I don ' t
20 think we have an answer for that quite
21 yet .
22 CHARLES SALIS : Okay . Fair enough .
23 But there are others -- there are other
24 municipalities that do have answers and
25 we can look towards other language that
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1 has been adapted elsewhere . I think if
2 you ' re working part-time and you get a
3 job on the Southold Police Department
4 and now you ' re making X, and that
5 doesn ' t open the door for someone else,
6 I think from time to time , maybe every
7 two years , they have to re-up their
8 certification to be in Affordable
9 Housing, or something there like that .
10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes ,
11 absolutely . The original plan was this
12 was supposed to be starter home housing .
13 It ' s difficult because then after that,
14 the step up to the next level of home
15 ownership is steep .
16 CHARLES SALIS : Fair enough . And
17 to build out here Affordable Housing,
18 the margin is pretty thin .
19 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Right .
20 CHARLES SALIS : And someone
21 shouldn ' t undo benefit from what the
22 town ' s trying to do and what a local
23 landlord ' s trying to do .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
25 Absolutely . Thank you .
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1 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : To put
2 these numbers into perspective, though,
3 on the ownership side wherein the agenda
4 tonight talking about setting the
5 purchase price for 120o AMI of $468 , 000 ,
6 it seems a lot of money nationally . But
7 if you look at the median in Southold
8 Town, it ' s double that . And one of the
9 challenges that we ' re facing, if you get
10 someone in a home and doing a little
11 better, they are penalized . They get
12 kicked out of the housing and there is
13 no place else to live . So we have
14 housing on the lower end and also on the
15 higher end . I think this is one reason
16 that we as a Board today really talk
17 about the importance of creating and
18 fostering a diverse housing style . So
19 there ' s housing, you know, for all ends
20 of the AMI spectrum . And we can get the
21 people into the homes that they need
22 where they are .
23 CHARLES SALIS : Right . Such as
24 there ' s some municipalities have
25 affordable , and then they have
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1 workforce, which is a different nature
2 of how you get there .
3 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : And then
4 market rate housing too, you know,
5 especially on the rental side in this
6 kind of transition into a rental
7 discussion . You know, with all of the
8 short-term rentals in Southold Town
9 right now, and this is something the
10 Board ' s going to be discussing, how to
11 really crack down on that . We have a
12 thousand units that were longer-term
13 housing that became short-term housing .
14 If we can get that online , I don ' t think
15 any of us really believe those are gonna
16 all turn into affordable units , but if
17 there ' s more market rate units , gives
18 the people that are starting out in the
19 affordable units , maybe go into the
20 workforce units , to then go into market
21 rate units . Because really, you know,
22 we need housing .
23 CHARLES SALIS : Right . So if
24 you ' re scaling it that way, that ' s a
25 great concept , but it would also
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1 incentivize people like myself to build
2 more housing if there was a possibility
3 there was somewhat of an ongoing upside .
4 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : But you
5 also need clarity on what the rules are .
6 CHARLES SALIS : Just a little bit .
7 Just a little bit right .
8 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Now I
9 think this is where the Board decided to
10 pass these numbers today or work on
11 passing these numbers today . Just to
12 provide more clarity to partners like
13 you, who are going to develop this sort
14 of housing . Just so you at least know
15 something . We still need clarification .
16 That ' s one reason I ' m a firm believer
17 that we do need someone as a Town
18 employee, to just deal with housing and
19 who ' s an expert in housing . I think
20 Gwen has done a great job kind of
21 putting the information together for us ,
22 but more and more it ' s becoming clear
23 that we need an expert to help us look
24 to other municipalities . Figure out
25 what ' s going to work in our community .
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1 Speak to developers , see what they need
2 and really make this a partnership .
3 CHARLES SALIS : Right . If we ' re --
4 if we ' re going to invest in housing,
5 Affordable Housing, we need to invest in
6 a person that ' s a go-to person then we
7 can get some of these answers to and do
8 some of the research .
9 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Yeah .
10 We can concentrate on this subject .
11 CHARLES SALIS : Okay . Thank you .
12 (Whereupon, the meeting continued
13 onto the regular agenda at this time . )
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15 LL CHAPTER 96
16 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : The
17 purpose of tonight ' s first Public
18 Hearing is to consider certain
19 amendments to Town Code 96, entitled
20 Boats , Docks , and Wharfs . The public
21 hearing considers certain revisions to
22 the chapter to require a trustee issued
23 permit for the placement of waterfowl
24 lines and waters of Town of Southold
25 during the period of October lst through
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1 March 15th annually if certain
2 conditions are met . The revision also
3 limits the use of moorings to the months
4 of April through December, and
5 eliminates the outdated hearing
6 provision currently identified at
7 Section 96-32 . The full text of the
8 proposed law is available for review in
9 the Town Clerk ' s Office, and on the
10 Town ' s website . In the folder here, I
11 have an Affidavit of Publication in the
12 Suffolk Times , along with a copy of the
13 Legal Notice, that was published in the
14 Suffolk Times . I have an e-mail from
15 the IT Department here at Town, that was
16 posted on the Town ' s website . I have a
17 copy of the Legal Notice . I have a copy
18 of the Affidavit that the Notice was
19 posted on the Town Clerk ' s Bulletin
20 Board in the back, signed by our Town
21 Clerk, Denis Noncarrow . We have a copy
22 of the resolution, setting the Public
23 Hearing for tonight . That ' s what I got
24 in the folder .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Are all
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1 the documents in order, Mr . DeChance?
2 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE :
3 Everything is in order .
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
5 you .
6 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : These
7 are some duplications . ( Inaudible ) F,
8 and there is some duplicate, 1 and 2 , F
9 is duplicated . ( Inaudible ) .
10 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : These
11 are as proposed by on behalf of the
12 Trustees . We have the --
13 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : President
14 and Vice President here .
15 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : Why
16 don ' t we have them speak to that
17 directly .
18 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Good evening . As
19 we discussed in work session, there was
20 a lot of necessary changes in Chapter
21 96 . We call it kind of the junk drawer .
22 Everything just been slammed in there
23 over the years and you ' ll open it up and
24 close it right back up .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Excuse
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1 me, Glenn Goldsmith from Southold, could
2 you identify yourself for us ?
3 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Yes . Glenn
4 Goldsmith from Southold .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
6 you .
7 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Southold
8 Trustees . So yeah, this one ' s kind of
9 a -- as they all are, work in progress ,
10 the code . We had a policy for duct
11 blinds , waterfowl blinds , but we didn ' t
12 have it anywhere in the code . So this
13 was just to try to find it a home
14 somewhere in our code . And again, just
15 got slammed to that jump drawer of 96 .
16 So this is just basically to add that
17 policy that was separate into an
18 existing code .
19 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So do
20 you see where I ' m talking about under
21 conditions , it talks about permitted
22 dates . And then under the next section,
23 it repeats it . So I just didn ' t know if
24 that -- if we needed them in both
25 places . It ' s under a E conditions .
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1 Permitted function line shall be in
2 place by no later than December lst each
3 year . Or the permit will be rescinded .
4 Blinds must be removed no later than
5 ( inaudible ) . Then you go to the next
6 section permitted function of the line
7 shall be in place . So I just didn ' t
8 know that was a typo or it has to be
9 under both sections .
10 NICK KRUPSKI : I ' ll speak to that,
11 Nick Krupski , Cutchogue . This is
12 drafted by our attorney, and reviewed by
13 the Town Attorney . So , I mean, I would
14 defer to legal on that , but I think
15 certainly going through, you know, 96
16 and keeping conforming, I think, was
17 probably their intention . And again,
18 I ' ll echo what Glenn Goldsmith said, and
19 96 needs a lot of work . So we ' re just
20 going to piecemeal it rather than
21 bringing a consultant and put two years
22 into this , and a lot of tax dollars that
23 the Trustees are kind of doing this as
24 they can on their spare time .
25 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Yeah, I
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1 have no problem with what you ' re putting
2 in ( inaudible ) even when you were .
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I
4 thought we enacted it and it was put in
5 the code in 2005 . I was surprised so
6 long that it hadn ' t been .
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So I ' m
8 just talking about the administrators .
9 So we can go over that Paul before we --
10 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : I would
11 accept it as it is . The last three
12 sections under E and F are different .
13 The redundancy shouldn ' t affect .
14 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Okay .
15 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : And as
16 we ' ve heard, again, we visit Chapter 96
17 on many occasions , and if need be, one
18 day we ' ll remove whatever .
19 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Okay .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Would
21 anyone else like to speak to the
22 proposed amendments ?
23 TOM STEVENSON : Tom Stevenson,
24 Orient . Can you hear me, Louisa?
25 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Yes , I can .
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1 TOM STEVENSON : Great . Okay . So
2 I ' m assuming the Trustees came up with
3 these changes . I know that I ' m just
4 talking to some ex-Trustees , it ' s been a
5 mess , you know, how to deal with the
6 waterfowl blinds . I ' m a member of the
7 Oyster Pong Club . So I ' m not speaking
8 for them, but , you know, I just sort of
9 talk to a few people . It ' s sort of a
10 dying breed, the waterfowl , you know,
11 the hardy waterfowls . There ' s not that
12 many that really get out there anymore .
13 But the ones that do, there are some
14 young guys that are , don ' t know, and
15 they wonder why no one gets out there
16 and freezes , you know, in cold winter
17 morning .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So
19 you ' re really selling it is sport . Go
20 sell it .
21 TOM STEVENSON : I just had a
22 question . So the section you guys were
23 just talking about, 96-24E conditions ,
24 Number One , where it says permitted
25 functional blind shall be in place by no
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1 later than December lst each year, where
2 the permit will be rescinded . Blinds
3 must be removed no later than March 31st
4 or what? I mean, like , shouldn ' t you
5 combine -- if you don ' t have it in place
6 or remove it, the permit could be
7 rescinded . But on the Town website, it
8 says December 31st, is my main question .
9 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : I ' m
10 sorry?
11 TOM STEVENSON : The Town website
12 says December 31st .
13 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : I can
14 answer that . There was a last minute
15 change and I think it was more of a typo
16 than anything else .
17 TOM STEVENSON : Okay . And then if
18 you go down to the next section, I think
19 it ' s F, severability, 4 . The Town may
20 remove or cause to be removed any blind
21 that ' s in violation of the Town Code
22 with the cost associated with removal
23 and storage borne by the owner and
24 permittee . I think there should be some
25 language that the Town should attempt to
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1 contact the permit holder to correct the
2 condition before removal , storage and
3 billing to the hunter . I just think
4 that would be courtesy in case there was
5 a miscommunication or error, you know .
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Or
7 illness or something .
8 TOM STEVENSON : You know, but just ,
9 I know it ' s handled sort of
10 administratively . It ' d be Bay
11 Constable .
12 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : That is
13 their policy, but the ( inaudible )
14 meeting would put that in writing that,
15 so when people need the code , they know
16 they are going to be contacted .
17 TOM STEVENSON : It would be
18 courtesy . Especially because, you know
19 96-32 the hearing, the whole hearing
20 process which did look like a mess , is
21 struck . So you sort of have no recourse
22 there to sort of plead your case . I ' m
23 not sure how it gets handled . I mean, I
24 do trust the Trustees , right , to handle
25 this . So you get good people in there
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1 and they figure it out . The last -- not
2 last , but 5 , if you go down to
3 severability 5 , the Board of Trustees
4 reserves the right to regulate placement
5 of waterfowl blinds . Makes sense . As
6 well as the seasons and hours of
7 operations to minimize user conflict and
8 promote safety . This I sort of have a
9 problem with since, you know, New York
10 State hunting rules are, New York State
11 hunting rules . You ' re supposed to
12 follow those . So I don ' t really think
13 the Trustee should be in the business of
14 setting hunting seasons and rules .
15 Since they ' re already very prescribed .
16 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I don ' t
17 think that is all of what the Trustees
18 that are here talking about, but I don ' t
19 think that ' s what they ' re really
20 ( inaudible ) .
21 GLENN GOLDSMITH : No, like you
22 said, we go by the New York State rules .
23 That was more of a placement , so we ' re
24 not having two blinds in the same area,
25 would everybody firing each other ' s
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1 direction .
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Could
3 you speak to the other comment about
4 allowing someone -- not the hearing
5 provision that was struck, but allowing
6 someone the opportunity if there is some
7 sort of illness or extenuating
8 circumstance, when they can ' t get the
9 blind out in time to notify the Board of
10 why and, you know, I ' ll get to it next
11 week type of thing .
12 NICK KRUPSKI : So I will say to
13 date the Board has been extremely
14 flexible and is very pro-water fowling,
15 as a water fowler myself . When you have
16 someone that abuses it , they abuse it
17 and that ' s the bottom line . We really
18 don ' t have people, oh a couple weeks
19 it ' s not the issue . It ' s people who
20 walk away from it . I have no problem
21 adding that to the verbiage . To be
22 honest to you whether we do it tonight
23 or in the future , it ' s not a problem.
24 The practice of this current Board would
25 certainly be to try to work with
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1 everyone . To get it done . And this
2 really speaks to the fact that we had no
3 way to previously regulate these blinds .
4 So the Harbor Masters were unable to do
5 anything pretty much the way . It was
6 very short what was within the code .
7 And I just want to speak to the other
8 comment about use and hours . The idea
9 behind that is that Southold Town has so
10 many wonderful parklands of walking
11 trails . And there ' s certain areas where
12 if someone was hunting and people were
13 hiking throughout the day, which they do
14 all winter long, it wouldn ' t be
15 appropriate to have both uses . So what
16 we ' re trying to do with that , as well ,
17 is get people out hunting and using
18 areas that are shared spaces . And
19 everybody has to share the public
20 property . I mean that ' s the bottom
21 line . Hikers and hunters both have to
22 equally share in those properties . So
23 thank you .
24 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : Can I
25 just something else with the Board?
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1 This Subsection 5 , it ' s just a
2 reservation of rights . It doesn ' t
3 indicate that they will regulate . It ' s
4 just they reserve the right to . I think
5 it is acceptable .
6 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And I
7 think ( inaudible ) --
8 GLENN GOLDSMITH : And as you stated
9 they always get a warning . You know,
10 it ' s not like -- it ' s not the next day
11 and they ' re getting a ticket and costs .
12 Thank you .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I ' ve
14 got a question for -- before I take any
15 more comments , I ' ve got a question for
16 Paul . So, could we add something
17 tonight associated with the concern
18 about that? Maybe subject to, I don ' t
19 know, something to review by the Board
20 or something before action is taken?
21 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : Is the
22 reference to providing notice to the
23 owner?
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes .
25 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE : So that
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1 you can -- you can add just four words
2 at the end of it after permitting you
3 can do a comma upon reasonable notice to
4 the owner/permitting .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That
6 would be great if the Board would --
7 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I ' ll make
8 a motion to amend .
9 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Second .
10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
11 favor?
12 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
13 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
14 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
15 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
16 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
18 TOM STEVENSON : You know, our rural
19 and rustic character includes legal
20 waterfowls .
21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
22 Absolutely . Thank you . Would anyone
23 also like to comment on the proposed
24 changes ?
25 (No Response ) .
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1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
2 right .
3 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I ' ll
4 make a motion to close the hearing .
5 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Second .
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
7 favor?
8 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
10 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
11 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
12 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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15 LL CHAPTER 275
16 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : The
17 purpose of tonight ' s second public
18 hearing is to consider certain
19 amendments to Town Code Chapter 275
20 entitled Wetlands and Shoreline . Public
21 hearing considers certain revisions to
22 the chapter to prohibit fences within 20
23 feet of wetlands boundary by eliminating
24 dock length to less than quarter of the
25 total width of the water body in which
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1 it is placed, by adding the titles of
2 Ordinance Inspector, Harbor Master in
3 place, the Bay Constable as employees
4 authorized to enforce the chapter and
5 altering monetary penalties for a
6 violation of the chapter by eliminated
7 minimum fines , providing for maximum
8 fines of $25, 000 or a term of
9 imprisonment . Not to exceed six months
10 or both . In the folder here , I have a
11 copy of the Affidavit of Publication in
12 the Suffolk Times , along with a copy of
13 the Legal Notice that was published . I
14 have an e-mail affirming that it was
15 placed on the Fishers Island website and
16 posted on two -- in two public places on
17 Fishers Island . I have a copy of the
18 Legal Notice . I have a copy of the
19 Affidavit of Posting signed by our Town
20 Clerk Denis Noncarrow, that it was
21 posted on the back bulletin boards . I
22 have a copy of the resolution setting
23 forth the Public Hearing tonight .
24 That ' s what I got .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
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1 you, Greg . Has everything been properly
2 noticed, Paul ?
3 TOWN ATTORNEY P . DECHANCE :
4 Everything appears to be in order .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
6 you . Is there anyone who would like to
7 speak to the proposed amendment Chapter
8 2 7 5?
9 JOHN BETSCH : Good evening . My
10 name is John Betsch . I am a 25-year
11 full-time resident of Southold . I ' d
12 like to make sure, as the Board
13 considers these changes , I believe it is
14 important for the Board to understand
15 the why of Chapter 275 , specifically as
16 it stated in Paragraph 275-B purpose .
17 It ' s a little too lengthy to read
18 tonight . I request that each Board
19 member reread it . With two past Board
20 of Trustee members now on the Town
21 Board, I trust the remainder of the Town
22 Board will listen to their understanding
23 and counsel . They ' re very familiar with
24 this . And additionally, the Board has a
25 responsibility to ensure fundamental
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1 fairness for all . I ask -- let me ask
2 the question about 275 11-A4F . Fences
3 shall not be permitted within 20 feet of
4 wetland boundary . What is the wetland
5 boundary and why the change? The
6 definition of wetland boundary, and
7 particularly tidal wetland has been
8 interpreted numerous and many times and
9 inconsistent ways by the present Trustee
10 Board . If you go back and look at
11 minutes of the Trustee , many
12 differences , depending on what they want
13 to do . I would ask if somebody could
14 explain tidal wetland and wind down
15 boundary for this change . As I said,
16 the Board has a responsibility to ensure
17 fundamental fairness for all . That
18 includes both public users , as well as ,
19 private property owners . Public rights
20 should not usurp or trample private
21 property rights . My question is simply,
22 how can you tell someone they can ' t
23 protect or have a boundary on their
24 property and allow public to transverse,
25 trespass and encroach that property?
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1 The Board has a responsibility, again,
2 to address all . Constant encroachment
3 not only in roads , legal rights , but
4 also affects private properties in many
5 different ways . I ' d ask you to
6 consider . I can show you many pictures
7 of people encroaching, trespassing, and
8 constantly encroaching private property .
9 Here is a picture, I can -- picture just
10 today . Happened today . People walk
11 across people ' s private property . And
12 there is no recourse to protect private
13 property . In the past there have been
14 many reasons to tell you what you cannot
15 do . Nobody is telling the private
16 property owners what they can do . So As
17 you review these changes , I ask you to
18 consider all these facts . Thank you .
19 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
20 you . Would anyone else like to -- yes ,
21 sir?
22 ROB ELIOMETIS : Good evening . Rob
23 Eliometis (phonetic ) , Southold resident .
24 In addition to what Mr . Betsch is
25 saying, I ' m sure everybody has fences at
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1 their homes . We put fences there to
2 dictate a boundary and a line as to
3 where our property ends and begins . I
4 too have a waterfront property . I was
5 granted a permit to install a split rail
6 fence, we did . And we had a scale back
7 on it on behalf of the Trustees . We
8 did . And We still have issues with
9 people coming across from the Town beach
10 onto our property . I too have many
11 pictures and videos of people actually
12 coming onto my side of the fence and
13 sitting in my chairs . Enjoying their
14 margaritas and wines . My wife has come
15 out on the deck and even ask them if she
16 could get them anything . People feel
17 entitled . They feel that they could
18 come . I mean, they ' re going to fish
19 behind the property . That ' s fine . We
20 understand the high watermark and so on
21 and so forth . But they come up higher .
22 They come up higher than that . They set
23 on my revetment . They throw their
24 garbage away . The fishermen leave their
25 bait and their buckets and their
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1 containers . And just during the course
2 of the day, just this season, two women
3 came and put up a sign about the piping
4 clovers right at the end of my fence . I
5 said, okay, great, we ' re going to have
6 piping plovers . The sign says no dogs
7 off a leash . I have the videos on me .
8 It was a dog peeing on my furniture,
9 peeing on the rails . Peeing on the rock
10 revetment . Eating everything off the
11 floor while the owners were sitting next
12 to him, just staring at him. And the
13 dog was off the leash . Now what do you
14 do? You call the police again? Because
15 this is what happens when you don ' t have
16 boundaries . You ' re going to have
17 confrontations and you ' re going to have
18 conflicts . And along with that , you ' re
19 going to have a lot of police calls .
20 And along with that , you ' re going to
21 have a lot of lawsuits and a lot of
22 spent money and time . So last week, I
23 made a call . As I ' m looking out my
24 window, I know that the association,
25 before I even got here , spent a lot of
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1 money and time in planting beach grass
2 on Kenny ' s Beach . Just last week,
3 gentleman comes with his golf cart and
4 he drives on top of one of the dunes .
5 The Town has placed a boulder to prevent
6 people from driving in that path and the
7 beach grass started growing . The past
8 few years it was growing really nicely,
9 and just this year everybody starts
10 using it . One gentleman who ' s a
11 Soundview Avenue resident brings his --
12 I don ' t know he ' s got some kind of
13 sailboat that he drags through there,
14 his paddle board . Some tables and
15 chairs , and he just abandons it on the
16 beach . It ' s just sitting there 24 /7 .
17 And at the end of the season, he just
18 leaves his junk there, and I have to
19 call the Town, and the guy with the
20 white pickup truck comes and he takes
21 the stuff . So he ' s trampling up and
22 down that path . The guy with the golf
23 cart , I have videos , drives right into
24 it . Takes his shirt off, goes for a
25 swim . So I said, you know what , a lot
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1 of people have spent time and money on
2 this . It ' s not right that he ' s doing
3 that . There ' s a whole parking lot there
4 right -- you ' re just parking . The
5 parking lot . So I called the police .
6 Right away, they ask you, what ' s your
7 name? Where do you live? You -- and
8 I ' m, why do you need that information?
9 There ' s somebody there right now . Just
10 send the traffic cop . You ' re ticketing
11 everybody else . Send the traffic cop to
12 give this guy a ticket . The police
13 officer came . Caught the guy . The guy
14 started to give him whatever explanation
15 he was given . He tried to remove the
16 golf cart off the dunes . He couldn ' t .
17 He was spinning his wheels , digging it
18 up even further . Then he finally got it
19 out . And the police officer was nice
20 enough to give him a ride to his house .
21 Ten minutes later . The guy comes back
22 with his pickup truck, flicking the bird
23 at all of us because he doesn ' t know who
24 called at this point . Takes the golf
25 cart . Goes for a ride around the
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1 neighborhood . Comes back and instead of
2 putting it out to his trailer of his
3 pickup truck, drives into the dunes two
4 more times . Into it, backs it up . Into
5 it, backs it up . I ' m staring at him and
6 I ' m thinking today ' s the day . Today ' s
7 the day where I ' m gonna be part of a
8 police report . And I said, let me not .
9 So I called the police station . I said,
10 did you, you know, you guys called me
11 looking for my name? Yeah, we did . Who
12 came? Officer Krause . Okay . Great .
13 Who ' s the guy that he confronted? Oh,
14 you ' ll find out when you get the report .
15 Okay . So the guy came back here, I
16 said, and he was very confrontational
17 and he was very aggressive, and he drove
18 it into the dunes a couple more times .
19 I said, I think you ' re not handling it
20 correctly . I think you should probably
21 drive by, say, I saw you parked in
22 there . Here ' s your ticket, and that ' s
23 it . Came back again yesterday . Not
24 with the golf cart, with his electric
25 bicycle . Drove it into the dune again .
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1 Trampling in and out of the dunes . So
2 here ' s an example of where there is a
3 fence . There is a boulder and there is
4 a path with beautifully planted beach
5 grass that a lot of people have spent a
6 lot of time and money on, and we ' re
7 still not honoring and respecting it .
8 So what ' s gonna happen when we start
9 saying that you shouldn ' t have a fence
10 or you shouldn ' t have -- and the other
11 issue is , what are we gonna say, what --
12 what is a fence at this point? What ' s
13 are we talking about PVC fences ? Are we
14 talking about wood fences ? Are we
15 talking about if somebody plants , you
16 know, beach grass? What ' s a fence at
17 this point? What ' s the offense? And
18 I ' m seeing an imprisonment than $25 , 000 .
19 I mean, I ' ve seen people do a lot worse
20 and get a lot less . This is a little
21 extreme , and I think we have to respect
22 the fact that people pay a lot of taxes
23 and people have their homes . And we ' re
24 not looking for privacy . Like you said
25 earlier, we ' re on a beach . So we ' re not
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1 looking for, but we ' re looking for a
2 little respect . The way I wouldn ' t, I
3 mean, I ' ve come out of my house and
4 said, I ' m sorry, can I have your
5 address ? Why? Because I want to come
6 and sit in your yard tonight . How ' s
7 that going to pan out? How many cops
8 are going to show up that night? So
9 when you start eliminating people ' s
10 right to private -- not privacy, but
11 respect people ' s property lines , there ' s
12 going to be confrontations . There ' s
13 going to be conflicts . There ' s going to
14 be police reports . There ' s going to be
15 lawsuits . And it ' s all hand in hand
16 with each other .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So
18 thank you for coming . I ' d like to just
19 say something before the Trustee
20 President gives you a response, because
21 I know what happened down at Kenny ' s
22 Beach . 30 years ago that beach was
23 almost gone . And I know that a lot of
24 the residents there did put a lot of
25 time and effort into helping with the
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1 restoration of that beach . I mean, that
2 was really -- that was a lot of severe
3 erosion there . Part of it had to do
4 with the jetty of fitness being removed .
5 The bulkhead there being removed . That
6 really hurt the area with erosion . But
7 I know that the residents by Kenny ' s and
8 McCabe ' s put a lot of effort into having
9 a beach there . And there is a real
10 success story with all the erosion
11 elsewhere on Long Island . So I ' m not
12 going to minimize that at all or
13 somebody damaging the dune, which is the
14 natural protective feature .
15 ROB ELIOMETIS : I mean yesterday, I
16 had to follow this guy home .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No .
18 That ' s -- that ' s very serious . Because
19 that is -- it ' s all fun and games
20 yesterday, but when it ' s a storm event,
21 that ' s all you have protect the upland .
22 ROB ELIOMETIS : Thank you .
23 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
24 you for coming . Maybe Trustee Goldsmith
25 wants to address the change of the
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1 fence .
2 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Sure . First off,
3 fully empathize . I get what they ' re
4 talking about . You know, but this has
5 absolutely nothing to do with that . The
6 code already speaks about the right to
7 have us literal fence to protect the
8 property . The code already speaks to a
9 distance from the beach . So what we
10 were trying to do, the only language for
11 a distance currently in the code, is 20
12 feet from the apparent high water mark
13 on the beach . It doesn ' t address the
14 wetland features . So we have building
15 fences to the bluffs . Up to a creek .
16 So that is what this is to address .
17 Those other provisions in the code about
18 a split rail fence, 20 feet from the
19 apparent high water mark, they ' re still
20 in there . That doesn ' t change .
21 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : This is
22 ( inaudible ) .
23 GLENN GOLDSMITH : This is just one
24 extra added element to the existing
25 code . Because we see it . Obviously
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1 they have issues and it ' s not just
2 Kenny ' s and McCabe ' s . We see it all
3 throughout the Town . You know, you can
4 fence it down to the water . You still
5 have people trespassing and trampling .
6 So that provision is already in there .
7 This was just to update other things
8 that we ' ve seen . Like I said
9 specifically, bluffs , ponds , right up to
10 the creeks , habitat , fragmentation . So
11 I don ' t want to get the two mixed up .
12 And the same thing with the fines . You
13 know, we ' re not talking about the fines .
14 We ' re not talking about putting somebody
15 in jail for six months and a $25 , 000
16 fine for a fence . It ' s what has
17 happened has been -- this code has been
18 updated in so long that there was always
19 the minimum fine , and that ' s what people
20 went with . What we ' ve always found,
21 which I think is a problem throughout
22 the Town, is that it ' s always been
23 easier to ask for forgiveness than
24 permission . And it ' s been cheaper . And
25 if somebody goes and wipes out a wooden
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1 bluff right on the wetlands , previously
2 it was a $ 6, 000 fine . The minimum was a
3 $ 1 , 000 . So when somebody built a house,
4 built a dock, whatever the situation
5 was , the fines didn ' t necessarily
6 reflect the cost to the wetlands , to the
7 people of town, to the natural
8 resources . So this was just to update
9 the fine structure to try to make it a
10 little bit more of a deterrent than has
11 existed . The language was just to
12 address things that we ' ve seen with the
13 Trustees , fences being one of them .
14 Dock length being another one . The dock
15 length now will adhere to what the DEC
16 goes with, with 250 . So I just don ' t
17 want these to get confused with property
18 rights . That wasn ' t anything to do with
19 our intention . Clean up the language .
20 Make it more comprehensive to other
21 areas . Not just a beach, and to update
22 the fine structures to , you know,
23 reflect more of the costs of today . I
24 don ' t know if that ' s been updated in 15,
25 20 years , whatever it was .
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1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So as
2 far as the fences -- I ' m sorry, as far
3 as the fences go , they ' re -- and you
4 said this is -- this is not limited to
5 the Long Island Sound or Peconic Bay?
6 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Yeah, we ' ll see
7 it with -- on creeks . People on fence
8 right up to the edge of the creek .
9 Fragmentation affecting the wild life .
10 Whether it ' s on Marapeka Pond and the
11 creeks , down the bluffs . People want to
12 put fences down to the bluffs , which
13 you ' re interfering with deer and other
14 animals . So this was just to --
15 275- 11 . 4C talks about distance from the
16 beach . But that is the only place in
17 the code that specifies a distance for a
18 fence, 275 . So the intent to this was
19 to put that in against all the other
20 that we deal with .
21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And
22 some of the waterfront properties have
23 deeds and bounds and some are defined by
24 deeded rights to the water . So how do
25 you make that determination in the
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1 field? If someone wants to put up a
2 fence -- and I ' ve heard this -- believe
3 me, I ' ve heard this with 30 years , 40
4 years , that ' s your concerns . And that ' s
5 why the Trustee ' s , the split rail fence
6 is a definition . How do you, you
7 know -- how do you make that
8 determination?
9 GLENN GOLDSMITH : So, we go by the
10 survey . We go by the individual
11 properties . You know, no two properties
12 are inherently unique . We still have
13 the provision within the code up to
14 Trustee jurisdiction, or, you know,
15 based on site specific or environmental
16 concerns . You know, we can waive
17 setbacks and things like that . So that
18 still applies to this . You know, but
19 like I said, a fence down a bluff just
20 for a visibility issue , for most of the
21 people, they don ' t want to see the
22 fence . So the impact, the bluff and the
23 vegetation and the habitat and the
24 wildlife, so that they ' re not, you know,
25 looking at a fence as opposed to putting
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1 that fence 20 feet from the top of the
2 bluff . And then you know given the
3 natural resources in the wildlife, their
4 space as well .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Jill ,
6 do you have a question?
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY :
8 ( Inaudible ) .
9 GLENN GOLDSMITH : What ' s that?
10 275- 11A, 4A. Talks about a split rail
11 fence . I think the other part of
12 somewhere in the code talks about a deer
13 fence being 25 feet . So, yeah, it does
14 speak to that .
15 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : A split
16 rail fence or a deer fence?
17 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Well , I mean,
18 depending on the distance back from, you
19 know -- like for example, the pool
20 fences , you know, that are within 100
21 feet and things like that .
22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : But to
23 delineate -- how do you feel about the
24 delineation of property lines? Because
25 I understand that is , it is a private
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1 property concern .
2 GLENN GOLDSMITH : As far as the
3 split rail fence , yeah . Like I said,
4 that ' s 275-114A with the right for a
5 split rail fence . That ' s in there .
6 That ' s not going away . You know, we see
7 it . Obviously, people that live next to
8 a public beach face this a little more
9 so than others . Again, if you put a
10 Great Wall of China down to the water ' s
11 edge , you ' re still going to have people
12 going on the beach . And the public
13 still does have a right to that beach .
14 You know, up to the high water mark .
15 So, you know, that ' s one thing that we
16 all , as residents of Southold Town, have
17 a right to traverse the floor shore .
18 You know, so we can ' t block it off for
19 the public . But at the same time, the
20 public needs to be cognizant of private
21 property rights . But at the same time,
22 we ' re dealing with maybe people who
23 aren ' t even from Southold Town . You
24 know, they come out for the weekend .
25 Sleep on the beach . Do all the stuff
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1 that they do . You know, fences be
2 damned for them.
3 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Can you
4 allow a posted sign on that fence that
5 they come to a certain sign?
6 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Correct .
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Not
8 that people need that, but --
9 GLENN GOLDSMITH : Yes , if we have
10 -- I don ' t know if this is the forum
11 form for but we discussed in the work
12 session about coming up with something,
13 some signage . Some sort of solution for
14 where the public beach ends and the
15 private starts . So we were trying to
16 come up with a solution for that . And
17 we ' re still in discussions because this
18 is -- this is an issue . Again, not just
19 at Kenny ' s or McCabe ' s . Any town road
20 ending any public beach, you know, this
21 is a problem.
22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Any
23 other questions ?
24 ROB ELIOMETIS : I just want to say
25 that the Trustees have done an amazing
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1 job . When I started my project , I got
2 to meet a lot of the officials , the Town
3 Board . I was always being in a position
4 -- wanted to accept advisement . Tell me
5 what I should do . What I should plant,
6 where I should, you know, do the right
7 thing . Septic systems , the whole nine
8 yards . And I want to thank the Town
9 Board too . But, you know, we ' re the
10 first line of defence . We ' re the
11 homeowners . We ' re the first line of
12 defence . We ' re the ones that clean up
13 the garbage . We ' re the ones that walk
14 the beach . We ' re the ones that pick up
15 dog poop . We ' re the ones that pick
16 up -- you know, we walk around and we
17 have our beach clean-up parties . And
18 then, you know, we ' ll walk up to the
19 lifeguard, make sure the lifeguard
20 say -- I don ' t know, maybe the Trustees
21 remember, but in 2016, when I first
22 purchased my property, I was actually --
23 I saved two people that were drowning in
24 the Long Island Sound . I had my wave
25 runner . We had launched out of Town
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1 Beach, and it was a late afternoon,
2 Sunday in August , and it was very rough .
3 We had like three, four foot swells .
4 And as I approached my property just to
5 show a friend the property that I just
6 purchased, I was waved down by a
7 gentleman on the beach and happened to
8 be Andrew Stanton . I think there ' s like
9 three generations out here down the
10 shore for me . And he says , you know, we
11 lost a couple of kids . We can ' t see
12 them . And then another couple of kids
13 went out after them, but we can ' t see
14 them either . And I got bad news for
15 you . I just came from that direction .
16 I didn ' t see anybody, so you better call
17 911 and I ' m going to, and I was the only
18 vessel out in the water at that point .
19 And I started searching, searching,
20 searching, and 45 minutes later, I saw
21 something out of the corner of my eye .
22 And I found the search party, the second
23 group . I instructed them to go to
24 McCabe ' s while I looked for the other
25 ones . So I wasn ' t looking for all four
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1 people . And it goes back to those
2 drones . I think the drones are a great
3 idea . That would have helped the search
4 a lot . And as I headed out, I saw
5 something out of my eye, but I didn ' t
6 want to break my pattern . And then I
7 said, I got to go check this up . And it
8 was a fluorescent green color . And it
9 was the kayak that they were on . And
10 the girl was balancing on a paddle
11 board . The boy was in the water holding
12 out to the kayak . Both of them had no
13 life vests on . And I put them on the
14 wave runner, and it took me 45 minutes
15 to get -- we were about a half a mile
16 out of Town Beach . It for me 45 minutes
17 to negotiate back to Kenny ' s Beach, a
18 little past Kenny ' s Beach . So having
19 said that, we ' re the first line of
20 defense . We ' re the ones that care . We
21 care because it ' s our property, it ' s our
22 beach . It ' s our neighbors . And the
23 association that we ' re part of, I think
24 it ' s like, what is it, 500 families , you
25 know, we care . And there ' s a lot of us .
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1 And we really Make sure that we look
2 out . And I just want to thank the Board
3 and I want to thank the Trustees for
4 doing the job that you do .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
6 you .
7 NICK KRUPSKI : Nick Krupski ,
8 Cutchogue . I just -- I don ' t want to
9 get too lost in the weeds with the
10 issues with the trespassing and the
11 sound, which the Board recognizes an
12 issue all over Town . And we ' ve tried to
13 be accommodating with . I would
14 recommend to the Board, possibly, Chief
15 Grattan has been very responsive and
16 maybe a, you know, a discussion with him
17 in terms of how we can better policing
18 our beaches and property rights , and
19 maintaining that . I do think it ' s --
20 it ' s not appropriate obviously to have
21 anyone driving on the dunes and being on
22 private property and whatnot . What
23 we ' re really talking about with this
24 change is just -- just clarifying
25 something that ' s been done for decades .
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1 And that ' s , you know, we ' re talking
2 about habitat , fragmentation . We ' re
3 talking about turtles and ducks and
4 rising tides and wetlands being able to
5 grow up and not just turn everything
6 into sod . You know, chemically sod and
7 irrigation . So that ' s -- we ' re going
8 down creeks and ponds and lakes . Not --
9 we ' re not speaking to property lines
10 tonight . That ' s not what this is
11 intended for . That ' s not how it ' s
12 written . I ' ll also speak to the other
13 changes as Trustee Goldsmith did . The
14 quarter length in the creeks that ' s what
15 the DEC calls for . So we ' re just simply
16 matching them in case some people don ' t
17 always go to DEC and get a permit .
18 We ' re seeing bigger boats out here .
19 Again, it comes down to users and
20 everyone getting a fair shot , and being
21 able to access the creek . Also ,
22 kayakers getting through the quarter
23 rules long, long overdue . Harbor
24 Masters , again, that ' s just cleaning up
25 verbiage to make the code line up with
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1 current job titles and enforcement . And
2 again, the fines just briefly, you know,
3 up to $ 6, 000 has been cost of doing
4 business for some of these $ 3 million
5 projects . So I don ' t know that this is
6 enough to prevent some of that, but it ' s
7 our best attempt to try to preserve
8 Southold ' s waterfront . So thank you .
9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
10 you . Would anyone else like to speak?
11 JOHN BETSCH : Just one last
12 comment . It ' s always been recommended,
13 call the police, call the police .
14 There ' s somebody on your property, call
15 the police . The problem is , they know
16 who, the encroacher, the people or the
17 fishermen or the intruders , they know
18 who you are, they know your house, you
19 don ' t know them. And it ' s always a
20 problem of retribution . People have
21 that all the time . So people are
22 reluctant to call the police . I ' d also
23 want to go into record, and just to read
24 something saying, proposed fence
25 extension appears will come closer to
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1 exceed the property boundary line . My
2 property boundary line is the mean high
3 water line . Just like many of the
4 property line of things . Not means of
5 boundaries . It ' s mean high water line .
6 The Trustees noted this is a dual area
7 increasing the length of the fence will
8 have a negative impact on the dune .
9 We ' ll have a negative environmental
10 impact on the dune . And I was
11 physically told by a Trustee , we do not
12 like fences . That ' s the problem. Thank
13 you .
14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
15 you . Would anyone else like to speak?
16 ERIC MCCLURE : Eric McClure,
17 Westview Drive in Mattituck . I just
18 have a quick -- out of curiosity
19 definitional question about the dock
20 length, the quarter length . Does that
21 refer just to the in-water portion of
22 the dock or the entirety of the
23 structure?
24 GLENN GOLDSMITH : I ' ll address
25 that . It ' s -- in the code, it ' s the
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1 dock length inclusive of the vessel .
2 And that ' s been one of the problems that
3 we see is , especially on some older
4 docks . You know, boats aren ' t getting
5 any smaller . So a dock that ' s been
6 around for 40 , 50 years , where you might
7 have a 17- foot whaler on it you now have
8 a 35 , 40 foot boat on it . And you know
9 that extra beam is now encroaching the
10 Navajo channel in a lot of areas , but
11 yes it is inclusive of the vessel . And
12 again that language that we are trying
13 to adopt here is what the DEC already
14 has in place . Thank you . You can go ,
15 the dock length can go landward . This
16 is the width of the creek .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
18 you . Anyone else who would like to
19 speak on this ? Changes to 275? Anyone
20 on a -- check? I don ' t see any hands up
21 on Zoom . Thank you, Glenn, for being
22 here to clarify .
23 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Motion to
24 close the hearing .
25 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Second .
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1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
2 favor?
3 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
4 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
5 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
6 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
7 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That is
12 the regular agenda . Is there anyone who
13 would like to speak of any matter to the
14 Board?
15 ROBERT DUNN : Robert Dunn, Peconic .
16 First -- there are three items tonight
17 that brought in $350 , 000 of grants . I
18 don ' t know when he calls your office and
19 says , you want some money? So I just
20 want to give it, at a boy, to the people
21 back there that get them.
22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And
23 there ' s a lot of thoughtfulness to it .
24 There are a lot of opportunities from
25 grants , and part of the problem is
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1 first, you have to go and spend a lot of
2 time and effort to try to get them .
3 ROBERT DUNN : You got to do it .
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : But
5 then the other side is that after you
6 get the grant , then you have to use the
7 money and you have to use it properly .
8 So you have to be staffed, you have to
9 be ready to use that money . And these
10 use the timelines and a great deal of
11 reporting to ensure that the grant money
12 is used properly .
13 ROBERT DUNN : I can only imagine --
14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So
15 we ' re kind of judicious and the staff is
16 here in Town Hall very judicious . And
17 when they go for a grant to make sure
18 that we have the means to implement .
19 ROBERT DUNN : That ' s good . There ' s
20 no point you have money in the bank if
21 you have nothing to eat .
22 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY :
23 ( Inaudible ) .
24 ROBERT DUNN : I don ' t think a lot
25 of notices taking that -- that $350 , 000
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1 is $ 350 , 000 that we won ' t have to pay .
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
3 you .
4 ROBERT DUNN : Thank you .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
6 Appreciate that .
7 ROBERT DUNN : And thank you to the
8 people to do it . Let ' s pass it on to
9 them . The thing with the sanitary flow
10 credits , I think that ' s a great idea . I
11 just , I mean, I know you got more work
12 to do it, but that ' s just a great way .
13 There ' s just no way that working class
14 or lower number of houses are going to
15 be built without some kind of
16 assistance . I mean, developers are in
17 business to make money . And if they
18 can ' t make money, they ' re not going to
19 develop . And if this is something
20 that ' s going to help them to make a few
21 bucks , good . I also think the fact that
22 they -- whoever the developer is , takes
23 a credit, well , 20 years down a row, he
24 decides he doesn ' t want to be low-income
25 housing anymore or nothing . He ' s stuck
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1 with it . He took the money . He ' s got a
2 contract . It ' s forever . It ensures
3 more than anything that those houses are
4 going to stay in perpetuity, at least as
5 long as he was ever sitting at that desk
6 sees to it . There ' s no way that you get
7 out of it . You can ' t 20 years from now
8 saying, well , we don ' t want to be
9 low-income . We ' re not making money .
10 Tough . You took the money, you ' re
11 stuck .
12 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : That ' s
13 going to be in their deeds .
14 ROBERT DUNN : And then the last
15 thing, for years , I ' ve been talking to
16 various people about the noise issue,
17 and they give up today because part of
18 your ice cream trucks . It ' s funny . But
19 you know, today I watched on my
20 computer, and I use a headphone . So I
21 don ' t bother my wife . I use over ears
22 headphones , and three times , I can
23 listen to ice cream truck . Through my
24 closed windows , I got air condition on,
25 through my earphones , and you ' ve got to
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1 listen to them. They part at the beach .
2 I got no problem . Well , first off --
3 let ' s go 197- 10 , a hawker, peddler, or
4 solicitor . E , not call attention to his
5 goods or by blowing a horn, ringing a
6 bell , or other than a house doorbell , by
7 shouting or crying out , or by any loud
8 or unusual noise . They ' re not allowed .
9 Case closed, end of story . They ' re not
10 allowed . There is no reason
11 ( inaudible ) . Sit for 15 minutes and
12 bell ringing .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : This
14 sounds like you don ' t want a job doing
15 it . Can you imagine playing that all
16 day?
17 ROBERT DUNN : If you had to what?
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : If you
19 had a truck playing that music all day .
20 ROBERT DUNN : I couldn ' t . But I
21 don ' t want the job, but they ' re loading
22 their pockets .
23 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I think
24 most parents would agree with you
25 because every time that song plays and
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1 it pulls in the parking lot, my kids are
2 hassling me for an ice cream .
3 ROBERT DUNN : Well , I ' m not saying
4 to do away . I think, to not have some
5 kind of notification at the ice cream
6 man is coming .
7 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I know
8 what you -- I know what mean because we
9 don ' t live near the road we can hear
10 from both sides of the road . And you
11 can hear it --
12 ROBERT DUNN : You have heard him,
13 right? There ' s two permanent ones and
14 one of them has two trucks . Sometimes
15 they ' re street trucks and I come all
16 over you can have four guys an hour .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yeah,
18 I , you know --
19 ROBERT DUNN : And they ' re parked .
20 No, wait, they ' re parked in the parking
21 lot . They ' ve got a line of 10 people
22 trying to buy ice cream, and I got to
23 listen to that noise . That ' s a code
24 violation? No, I want it stopped .
25 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I don ' t
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1 know if you are the one that brought it
2 up years ago .
3 ROBERT DUNN : I did . Okay . And
4 you agreed, the trucks were too noisy .
5 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And I
6 will tell you in New Suffolk, the guy
7 comes up, and when he puts it in park,
8 the music goes off .
9 ROBERT DUNN : That ' s the way it
10 should be . I ' m not saying they can ' t
11 rings bells . I ' m not saying they can ' t
12 notify that they coming down the block .
13 Fine . But once he stopped, within 15
14 seconds its stopped, the bell goes off .
15 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And I
16 don ' t know what, Scott , to do to get in
17 contact with these people . I mean, they
18 would have to have a peddler ' s license .
19 ROBERT DUNN : They got a peddler ' s
20 license .
21 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So we
22 can just call them and tell them this is
23 --
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Some
25 people have their cell numbers . So that
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1 shouldn ' t be hard .
2 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : That ' s
3 true . That ' s right .
4 ROBERT DUNN : I mean, I don ' t think
5 you ' re going to resolve it now . We ' ll
6 look on over the year . Next summer .
7 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I mean,
8 we ' re looking at -- we ' re looking at --
9 we ' re looking at a lot of noise
10 complaints of . It has their related
11 quality of life from many different
12 sources . And this is just adding to the
13 list of things that we , we like the
14 address .
15 ROBERT DUNN : And it ' s a simple
16 fix . Once you ' re parked, 15 seconds ,
17 the bell is off . Case gone . It doesn ' t
18 go off . You lose your peddler license .
19 That ' s the punishment . It ' s suspended
20 immediately . If the cop comes and he
21 sees you, it gets suspended . And now
22 you can ' t work . It may be suspended for
23 10 days . Maybe it ' s suspended for 5
24 days , or maybe after the third or fourth
25 one, it ' s suspended for the balance of
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1 the season . But this got to stop . It ' s
2 only going to get worse . It ' s going to
3 get worse .
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No,
5 thank you for bringing that to our
6 attention because it is -- it is now
7 something else that ' s on the list of
8 noise that is affecting on those quality
9 lives .
10 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Thank
11 you .
12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
13 you . Would anyone else like to speak on
14 any matter?
15 TOM STEVENSON : Thank you . Tom
16 Stevenson, Orient, again . Maybe this is
17 noise, maybe not . Pickleball Court in
18 the East Marion . Thank you for getting
19 to the finish line . I know some people
20 are already whining a little bit, but
21 nobody that I ' ve talked to, including
22 one of the neighbors that I talked to a
23 month ago and said he was fine with it .
24 So I guess he ' s not fine with it now,
25 yeah . But Anyway, the process was
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1 public . All done in public, work
2 sessions . Many public meetings . Yeah,
3 no, we appreciate that , you know -- we
4 appreciate that, you know, working with
5 this partnership and making it better .
6 You know, as everybody knows that that ' s
7 -- you know the piece could be broken
8 and could be sold, but nobody ' s the
9 guess . We can do that .
10 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Well , we
11 appreciate you, the school board and the
12 superintendent bringing it to the Board
13 because it came from your direction .
14 TOM STEVENSON : So I think it ' s
15 going to be great . It ' s going to be
16 great addition . Maybe take a little
17 burden off of some of the other spots
18 but and give us something to do out
19 there . And there are no lights , you
20 know . And if it does become a problem
21 with the noise, you know, maybe there ' s
22 a few things with screaming or something
23 like that that could be done . On the
24 affordable housing sales prices and max
25 allowable rent, I mean, that wasn ' t on
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1 the agenda last week . I don ' t know when
2 that came up recent , but you know,
3 should just get on there like -- so you
4 get a little more time to look at it . I
5 don ' t know if anyone else had an issue
6 with it . No one spoke on it . Policing
7 needs . Thank you for doing the Zoom.
8 Keeping the Zoom going because, you
9 know, I ' m doing stuff all day long and
10 I ' m trying to listen . You know, sweat
11 out the earbuds , you know . That kind of
12 thing, but like I do appreciate to
13 listen when I can and it ' s something
14 that I think should be continued, you
15 know .
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
17 you . Access to the public is important .
18 Thank you . An input from the public
19 helps us .
20 TOM STEVENSON : I ' m not gonna talk
21 about CPF and water . We ' ve extended our
22 -- yeah, but I mean it ' s good to see the
23 Boards speaking --
24 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : And can I
25 have a little input on the Zoom?
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1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Sure .
2 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Yeah here in
3 Zoom, we need to do something to improve
4 the sound . There are only two of us on
5 Zoom . And I don ' t know about the other
6 person on, but it was at times very
7 difficult to hear people . I had the
8 resolutions in front of me . So I can
9 get what they were saying . Often like,
10 Jill , I couldn ' t hear you at all . It ' s
11 not always Jill . It ' s other people .
12 And maybe we should have Lloyd listen in
13 to a meeting one night , and try to
14 figure out what ' s going on . And
15 sometimes it ' s very clear, and other
16 times it ' s garbled or you can ' t hear
17 anything .
18 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I have
19 a broken mic . That ' s why you can ' t hear
20 me . This is my mic .
21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
22 you, Louisa . So that ' s -- it is
23 important for people to be able to , if
24 they want to, to be able to have that
25 access .
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1 TOM STEVENSON : Okay . I ' m going to
2 try to wrap this up real quick .
3 Policing needs . Do we ever ask for
4 assistance from the State Police in our
5 busy season versus hiring new police
6 officers , or is that, you know, did I
7 just break some code? No need for a
8 response . Noise code, I believe it
9 dates originally to 2011 and we didn ' t
10 have one for 300 plus years . I thought
11 there was an Ag exemption in there and I
12 did not see one in the current code . I
13 swear it was in there, but there ' s no
14 mention of agriculture in the noise
15 code , as it ' s written now . And I ' ll
16 just say good luck with the no outdoor
17 amplified music at all aspect . Wouldn ' t
18 want to be in your seats .
19 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No . We
20 don ' t -- thank you for the well wishes
21 there . But we -- it ' s something that
22 came up, and I was in Islip and a
23 Suffolk County Supervisors meeting . And
24 it ' s something that other large towns
25 have in their codes . And so it was
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1 something that had to come up as a
2 discussion here, because we have -- we
3 have some consistent problems with
4 amplified music . And on the other hand,
5 you know, I live in East Cutchogue with
6 a lot of wineries around, well , a lot of
7 amplified music . As you can see from
8 the special event calendar, in my
9 neighborhood or Hamlet , every -- pretty
10 much every week . And it ' s not a
11 nuisance to us . So I think it ' s got to
12 be -- it ' s so much work involved . And
13 it ' s not just amplified music . There ' s
14 also other noises , like the ice cream
15 truck, and, you know, we get a lot of
16 traffic noise in place . Leaf blower,
17 construction . There is a lot of
18 categories of noise that offend people .
19 So I think this is something that we ' re
20 not going to tackle into further into
21 the Winter and to the Zoning update and
22 definitions like that . It becomes a
23 struggle .
24 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I was
25 going to say that, enforcement . We ' re
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1 acknowledging it is important . That it
2 stands to enforcement and as it ' s
3 written right now, it ' s pretty difficult
4 to enforce reference to decibels .
5 ( Inaudible ) for our -- no matter what I
6 think there ' s agreement that we need to
7 simplify it or whether it ' s through a
8 use permit or something that empowers
9 enforcement and protects the quality of
10 life for residents .
11 TOM STEVENSON : Well , that ' s the
12 last thing here . Ag Advisory Committee,
13 maybe we can help work on noise because,
14 you know, farms can be noisy . We know
15 that . It is in the Zoning Code , the
16 right to farm provisions , you know, say
17 that , you know, farming could be noisy,
18 and when you got to do it , you got to do
19 it . I mean, you don ' t want to disturb
20 everyone .
21 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Well , I ,
22 for one , would agree that there should
23 be an exemption . And I think, you know,
24 these are the sort of discussions that
25 we ' re going to have as we dig into this
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1 as a wholistic issue . Because we do
2 need to consider all of these points .
3 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY :
4 ( Inaudible ) . We have to have
5 exemptions .
6 TOM STEVENSON : So Ag Committee .
7 We had to cancel twice in a row --
8 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I
9 appreciate the text message .
10 TOM STEVENSON : I just wanted to
11 make sure you didn ' t --
12 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Are we
13 trying to do this coming Wednesday?
14 TOM STEVENSON : It does not -- no .
15 We couldn ' t get it together .
16 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Well , one
17 thing just to jump in, and we ' ve looked
18 at this with other committees that meet
19 you know, every other week . Maybe it
20 would make sense for us to move to a
21 monthly meeting . We don ' t need to kind
22 of get into this now, but if we moved to
23 a monthly meeting and everyone knew that
24 it was , let ' s say, on the first Monday
25 or first Wednesday, maybe that would be
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1 a little bit easier to schedule around .
2 And just something to try . Unless
3 there ' s a pressing issue that we ' re
4 dealing with . You know, we were talking
5 today . You know, it is our intention as
6 a Board to have Ag Advisory really dig
7 into the definitions that we ' ve been
8 talking about as part of the Zoning
9 Update Project .
10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : They ' re
11 coming soon .
12 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Yeah . So
13 maybe that does become a need to meet
14 every other way .
15 TOM STEVENSON : Usually in the off
16 season, I mean we ' re not all farmers in
17 the same busy time, but you know, for me
18 no way I could be more than once a month
19 right now anyway .
20 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : So maybe
21 you know, we put this -- if we are
22 meeting on one month, next Wednesday --
23 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And you
24 can also get the definitions , distribute
25 them to the members . And so that they
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1 can look at them and then have a
2 meeting . So they ' re kind of -- they ' re
3 kind of familiar with what they look
4 like . And then take a look, you know,
5 and work on them together .
6 TOM STEVENSON : Absolutely . And we
7 still have a vacancy . The Ag Advisory
8 Committee is supposed to be nine members
9 that are, "active owner operators of
10 bona fide agricultural operations within
11 the Town of Southold" . And then is
12 there any movement on the idea of
13 combining the non-functioning Shellfish
14 Advisory Committee with Ag Advisory? We
15 did discuss and the last time we met
16 about adding couple members , one or two,
17 if that was or leaving it we do have a
18 shellfish person on the committee now,
19 but just you know, food for thought .
20 You have a lot on your plate right now .
21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
22 you .
23 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : That ' s
24 all I got .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
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1 you .
2 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Thank
3 you .
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
5 right . Anyone else like to speak?
6 NICK KRUPSKI : Hello, Board . Nick
7 Krupski again, Cutchogue . Thank you for
8 the majority of the decisions you made
9 tonight . I think you guys are doing a
10 great job .
11 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : -- agree
12 with all of them?
13 NICK KRUPSKI : Majority . One thing
14 I want to bring to your attention, we
15 see a lot on Trustee inspections , and
16 with applications , but it ' s an issue
17 throughout Town . Everyone, they buy a
18 house . They want a pool , which is fine,
19 and then they take out all the native
20 trees and put a pool and sod back in, or
21 maybe they just want sod without the
22 pool , but regardless , there ' s an attack
23 on native vegetation right now . When
24 it ' s within our jurisdiction, we can do
25 a one-for-one replacement . Obviously,
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1 if there ' s a tree leaning over someone ' s
2 house or infrastructure, we understand
3 that . No one wants the tree come down
4 in the storm on top of somebody ' s house
5 or property . But we attempt to , if the
6 property ' s suitable , to do at least a
7 one for one, if not a two-for-one .
8 We ' ve even gone further trying to
9 replace canopy that ' s hundreds of years
10 old . So again, that ' s something that we
11 can handle within that 100 feet .
12 Sometimes we get out of the 100 feet
13 because they don ' t have room within the
14 100 and they offer to put it elsewhere .
15 But quite frankly, they could go back
16 the next day and cut them down because
17 that ' s out of our jurisdiction . So I
18 know the Tree Committee ' s been working
19 on stuff, but I mean, enough is enough .
20 We ' re watching these native species be
21 wiped out . You know, it ' s certainly
22 adding to the temperature in Town . I
23 mean . Right now, everyone needs the
24 trees to breathe . So I think we need to
25 get aggressive with protecting our Town
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1 and our native species . And all
2 vegetation . Somebody ' s got to speak for
3 them . Thank you .
4 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So I am
5 working with the Planning Board right
6 now, and I hope to be able to get on
7 next available agenda with a proposed
8 Tree Code, finally .
9 NICK KRUPSKI : Great to hear .
10 Thank you .
11 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : And just
12 to support you also , the Conservation
13 Advisory Council may have a section in
14 their home homeowners guide . So just in
15 terms of the education component, maybe
16 you want the teeth with another
17 component but the CAC is trying to
18 provide the education component . Just
19 so you can ' t say that you didn ' t know
20 about native plants . So I just got the
21 draft today actually . So hopefully with
22 some supportive information to support
23 that effort .
24 NICK KRUPSKI : Great . Thank you .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Anyone
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1 else who would like to address the
2 Board?
3 ERIC MCCLURE : Eric McClure,
4 Westview Drive in Mattituck I can ' t top
5 Mr . Softee on the latest issue, so I ' ll
6 not talk about that tonight . I just
7 wanted to Justice Evans ' point . The
8 last time I was on Zoom for the Board
9 meeting from the Supervisor over, it was
10 all clear . And then on the other side,
11 Councilmember Doherty and Councilmember
12 Smith, they were very in and out and
13 hard to hear most of the time .
14 Councilmember Mealy was usually audible .
15 So just thank you for this .
16 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Thank you .
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