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MEMBERS
CHARLES GRIGONIS. JR.. CHAIRMAN
SERGE DOYEN JR.
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ROBERT J. DOUGLASS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
Joseph H. Sawicki
Southold Town Board of Appeals
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MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING-HELD
JANUARY 22, 1981
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board of Appeals was held
on Thursday, January 22, 1981 at 7:30 o'clock p.m. at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York 11971.
Present were: Charles Grigonis, Jr., Chairman; Serge Doyen, Jr.~
Robert J. Douglass; Gerard P. Goehringer; and Joseph H. Sawicki.
Also present was Yrs. Ruth Oliver, North Fork Environmental Council.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2729. Application of William C.
Mercurio, Nancy J. Rodilosso, and others, c/o Mrs. Nancy J. Rodilosso,
28 Chestnut Street, Garden City, NY 11530 for a Variance to the Zoning
Ordinance, Art. III, Sec. 100-31 for approval of insufficient area and
width of two proposed parcels at the east side of Bay Avenue, Mattituck,
New York; more particularly designated as County Tax Map ID No. 1000-
144-4-4 and bounded northeast by James Creek; west by Yanke and others;
southwest by Bay Avenue; east by Halligan.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7:36 p.m. by reading the
appeal application in its entirety, legal notice of hearing and affi-
davits attesting to its publication in the local and official news-
papers, Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
made; fee paid $15.00.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a survey showing the property and a copy
of the County Tax Map showing the surrounding properties in the area.
Is there anyone here that would like to add to what is in the applica-
tion? In favor of it?
MR. RODILOSSO: Well we're here to represent the application if
you have any questions.
MR. CHAIRMAN: ~ay we have your name please?
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MR. RODILOSSQ: Rodilosso and this is my wife Nancy.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else to speak in favor of it?
Anyone to speak against this? (There was no response.) Do any of
you members have any questions, Joe, Bob?
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Are we pronouncing your name correctly?
MR. RODILOSSO: Rod-i-los-so.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Is there any reason why you chose to divide
the property directly in half? Basically I guess the question I
should ask is, what other type of house are you plann~ng to construct
on the other side. I am looking at the map now, and I understand
that the present house is approximately 62 feet long. Is that correct?
Mr. Rodilosso nodded affirmatively.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Thereby leaving approximately a 75-foot lot
you're asking us to divide, and it kind of cuts the sideyards down
significantly.
MR. RODILOSSO: The house would probably be placed lengthwise on
the property since it's 450 feet long.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Are you talking about the present house now?
The new house?
MRS. RODtLOSSO:
MR. RODILOSSO:
and a new house will be constructed on the other parcel.
two rental cottages on the property as well.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Right.
MR. RODILOSSO: Which would be eliminated.
The present.
The present house will be moved to one parcel,
There's
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: But what would happen with the present house,
the one that you intend to keep, be placed in the same position but
moved over to one sides or it would be placed lengthwise on the
property?
MRS. RODILOSSO: Yes.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Oh, I see.
MRS. RODILOSSO: Thereby having a lot more sideyard for each
property.
MR. RODILOSSO: The house is, I forget the exact width of it, but
it's a lot less than 62 feet. Maybe 24.
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MEMBER GOEHRINGER:
MR. CHAIRMAN:
MR. RODILOSSO:
MR. CHAIRMAN:
MRS. RODILOSSO:
MR. RODILOSSO:
MRS. RODILOSSO:
Twenty four and some inches.
Are you familiar with the sketch that's in here.
I believe so, yes.
Because it looks like the house is placed crosswise.
It is now. That s how it is now.
It would be spun 900.
Um, you must have a, on the copy that I submitted
I had the original one, the houses were outlined in black and I used
red pencil.
SECRETARY: There is one copy that was filed.
MRS. RODILOSSO: Red obviously was what was planned and black was
what was tqere now. I do have a cody.
MR. CHAIRMAN: You see, this doesn't show any of that. This is
where the new house would be, when it's done would be here.
MRS. RODILOSSO: Now, the E.P.A. requires us not to move it this
way bu~ to move it back even closer to the road. I assume you have
that.
SECRETARY: From the D.E.C.? Yes.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Having known the Baldwins, who were prior
owners of the house, do you intend to 61ace the living area, which
we would call a living room which is L-shaped toward the water side?
MRS. RODILOSSO: Correct. They also require that we move the
cesspools. May I have this one back?
The Chairman returned the sketch with black and red markings to
Mrs. Rodilosso.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Speaking of the Baldwins, I bought one of the
first tickets they ever sold for Hawaii.
MRS. RODILOSSO: Is that right? Everybody we speak to knows
those people.
MR. RODILOSSO: They either know them or have rented cottages
from them.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Do you know by any change just about where that
house will wind up, just how far from the street?
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MRS. RODILOSSO: From the street, I don't know. 90' up.
MR. RODILOSSO: No, 190'. The E.P.A. had it from the water.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, the D.E.C.
MR. RODILOSSO: It would be roughly 200 feet.
MR. CHAIRMAN: It's a long lot.
MR. RODILOSSO: What it would do is put it into plain with the
rest of the homes that had been constructed, Yanke in particular,
which is the most recent.
MRS. RODILOSSO: That's right.
I don't know, maybe you can see what you're looking at.
probably more familiar with this than I am.
It would be in the same line.
You're
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: What this, the D.E.C.?
MRS. RODILOSSO: Yes.
MR. CHAIRMAN: "...Subdivide 66,304 sq. ft. lot into two lots
approximately 33,152 sq. ft. each... Covenant that all buildings be
moved to or constructed west of a line 190' west of easterly property
line .... " Any other questions? (Negative). If not, I'll offer a
resolution closing the hearing and reserving decision.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Seconded.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, to=reserve decision in Appeal No. 2729, application of
William C. Mercurio and others.
Vote: All ayes. * * *
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2771. Application of Florence A.
Evans,.3940 Orchard Street, Orient, NY 11957 for a Varilance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Art. III, Sec. 100-31 for permission to construct
dwelling with an insufficient frontyard setback off Brigantine Drive,
Southold. Location of property: 2355 Anchor Lane (a/k/a 650 Brigan-
tine Drive), Southold; Harbor Lights Subdivision Map No. 4363, Sub-
division Lot No. 24; County Tax Map ID No. 1000-79-4-35.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7:50 p.m. by reading the
appeal application in its entirety, legal notice of hearing and affi-
davits attesting to its publication in the local and official news-
papers, Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
made; fee paid $15.00.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a survey of the property and section of
the County Tax Map showing this property and the surrounding properties.
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Is there anyone hereto speak for this application?
MRS. EVANS: There is nothing to be added.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone against this application?
Do any members of the Board have any questions, Bob? (None)
have a letter in the file dated December 31, 1980:
... To: Board of Appeals
Re: Variance Lot 24, Harbor Lights Estates, Southold, NY
Gentlemen:
(None)
We do
Mrs. Harry EvanS advised us that she is appealing for a
variance on Lot 24 of Harbor Lights Estates, for construction of a
residential building.
Mrs. Evans furnished us a copy of the sketch (copy attached)
showing the location of the proposed building.
As owners of Lot 25, we see no reason to object to the pro-
posed location of the building, as shown on the sketch.
Very truly yours,
/s/ Francis J. Dellamano...
MRS E~ANS: Would leave privacy for both of us.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Well, the house will be set back 35 feet from
Brigantine Drive and 50 feet from Anchor Lane. That's leaves a
25'foot sideyard on the west side.
MRS. EVANS: Yes.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I'd offer~a resolution granting this as applied for.
After investigation and personal inspection, the Board finds
as follows:
Appellant has appealed to this Board seeking a variance for
permission to construct a new dwelling with an insufficient front-
yard Setback of 35' off Brigantine Drive. The premises in question
is a corner lot as defined by the Code of the Town of Southold, and
is 20,000 square feet in area, 200 feet in length along Brigantine
Drive and 100 feet deep along Anchor Lane. The Board agrees with
the reasoning of the applicant.
The Board finds and determines that the relief requested in
relation to the Code requirements is h6t substantial; that if the
variance is granted no substantial detriment to adjoining properties
will be created; that no adverse effect is produced on available
governmental facilities of any increased population; that no substan-
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rial change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood;
that the interests of justice will be served by the granting of
this variance; that the circumstances present in this case are
unique; and that strict application of the ordinance would produce
unnecessary hardship for applicant.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, that ~lorence~A..E~ans, 3940 Orchard Street, Orient,
NY 11957 be granted a variance to the zoning ordinance, Art. III,
Sec. 100-31 for permission to construct dwelling with an insuffi-
cient frontyard setback of 35' off Brigantine Drive, as applied for.
Location of Property: 2355 Anchor Lane (a/k/a 650 Brigantine
Drive), Southold; Harbor Lights Subdivision Map No. 4363, Subdivision
Lot No. 24; County Tax Map ID. No. 1000-79-4-35.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2774. Application of Bernice
Lettieri, 1430 Arrowhead Lanes Peconic, NY 11958 for a Variance
to the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III, Sec. 100-31 and 100-32 for
permission to construct tennis court with an insufficient setback
from property lines, occupying more than 40% of the rearyard area,
and to construct same partially in the sideyard area at 1430 Arrow-
head Lane, Peconic, NY; more oarticularly designated as County Tax
Map ID No. 1000-98-2-10 and bounded north by Kappes; west by Kull;
south by Abelson; east by Arrowhead Lane.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8:08 p.m. by reading the
appeal application in its entirety, legal notice of qearing and affi-
davits attesting to its publication in the local and official news-
papers, Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
made; fee paid $15.00.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a map of the property showing where the
proposed tennis court is to be located. Is there anyone here that
would like to add or speak for this application? (None). Is there
any here wishing to speak against this application? (None). Do
any of the board members have any questions? (Negative). I'll make
a motion closing the hearing and reserving decision until we have
discussed it. Dig into it a little bit more.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Seconded.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
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RESOLVED, to reserve decision in Appeal No. 2774, application
of Bernice Lettieri and that the hearing be declared closed.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
The Chairman called a five-minute recess and the meeting
reconvened at 8:15 p.m. , , ,
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2775. Application of Charles A.
Brautigam, 46 Benson Road~ Glen Rock, NJ 07452 (by Richard F. Lark,
Esq.) for Variances:. '(1) to amena a previous decision of this
Board made on 9/28/78 in Appeal No. 2471 to permit the construction
of an accessory building [garage] with rooms, and (2) to review
determinations made by the Building Inspector concerning this acces-
sory building which includes a garage with rooms, Art. III, Sec.
100-32. Location of property: West Road, Cutchogue, NY; more
particularly designated as County Tax MaD ID. No. 1000-110-7-6
and bounded north by West Road; west by Lister and G. Fleet Estate~
south by Cutchogue Harbor; east by Bicker.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8:16 p.m. by reading the
appeal application in its entirety, legal notice of hearing and affi-
davits attesting to its publication in the local and official news-
papers, letters of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
made; fee paid $15.00.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a section of the tax map showinq this and
the surrounding properties. Is there anyone here that woul~ like to
add or speak for this application?
RICHARD F. LARK, ESQ.: Mr. Chairman, Richard Lark, Main Road,
Cutchogue, New York.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Would you mind speaking into the mike?
MR. LARK: Speaking on behalf of the applicant, Mr. Brautigam.
As you can see the application is being brought primarily for amend-
ment of the prior variance aranted by the Board, and I'm not going
to burden your time here with what went on. I think most of you,
if not all of you have seen the property, so you see what is there.
Apparently the oriqinal confusion came on as the applicant
himself applied for a carport, and there was a great deal of con-
fusion as to what a carport and a qarage were. Because when they
went to build a carport, if you will read the first application in
which you granted him a variance, it was inconsistent with building
a carport to keep it in architectural harmony with the other build-
inq, with the main building on the propertv. So you heard the
history there in the application. And I'm a little, or have been
baffled right from the beginning since I've been involved here,
last month or so, as to why the Building Inspector revoked his permit
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(Mr. Lark continued):
since he had knowledge right from the beginning what was going on,
and I have both Mr. Brautigam here and the builder, Mr. William
Beebe, in case there's any questions. Because it's my understand-
ing he only wanted to build a garage and then add these rooms on
that was indicated, and went down and saw the building inspector
and he said, "Yeah, that would be fine." And then it was only
after the thing was constructed and framed that he decided to stop
the work, and originally the builder was told the roof was too high,
and then after that was measured the building inspector as you can
read from the exhibits, that's all I have, is more confused--and
then doesn't state a reason as to why he then outright revoked the
permit, except that you take his one reason there, that it is
true that the variance that was granted was strictly for a carport
or a garage. Carport is not defined in our zoning ordinance;
garage is. And this is a little bit more than that.
And so therefore I think the original variance application had
to be amended because it is an increased accessory building than
just a pure carport or garage. So that's the reason for the appli-
cation, and then for you to review the stop orders because I
think you have the olans in one of the exhibits--they're built
plans, that's what's down there now, and I think it does conform
to the building code and to the zoning ordinance.
The structure with the restrictions placed by the Board origi-
nally not to oe further than the carport on a neighboring oroperty
have been complied with, the setback off the line has been complied
with. So the site location and everything is ok. I think the use
was increased and since the use was increased from a simple garage
or carport, I talked to Mr. Brautigam, as I said who is here, and
if the Board feels that it woJld be necessary and incumbent uPOn
them to impose restrictions such as subdivision, further sale and
so on and so forth, and I oring that up because about seven of the
neighboring properties on the soJth side of that road where the
petitioner owns, have been exactly that. They either have subdivided
the properties or as I indicated have converted garages into summer-
type apartments and stuff like that.
So what the petitioner is requesting is really no different
than exists on the south side of that road in that neighborhood,
and as I indicated in the application, I don't feel with what has
been built--it is there right now--it is not substantial, what's
being requested--the variances being requested is not substantial
since most of the properties do have accessory buildings in what
is techn$cally, called under our zoning ordinance is the frontyard--
that which faces the street--even though all the houses are built
facing the bay. The property as the Board probably knows, with
most of them in that area, are bulkheaded~and they really--the
front of the house does face on the bay. So I don't think there
will be--as I indicated in the application, any increase in density
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(Mr. Lark continued):
since it still is a one-family and the petitioner intends on it
and will also covenant with the Board to keep it that way--he has
no desire at all to subdivide the property, and as I said will
covenant accordingly and will definitely not produce any substan-
tial change in the neighborhood for the reasons that I indicated
that the properties along the south side of the road have existing
or similar situations.
It's not really a case of self-induced hardship were because
here the owner is caught in the middle. He came down, got a variance
a couple of years ago, and then construction went on for a year and
a half there, and all of a sudden when it was framed ~n and virtually
completed was when the building inspector decided to do something
about it. But I think to be in technical compliance with the ordi-
nance he should have an amended variance, and I think we're also
reviewing, if that's what the building inspector means, if the
building is built too high for you to reverse his determination,
which you have the power under the Code to do, that the 16 feet
which is measured from the front of the building to the average
line of that hip roof as shown on the plans there that you have
does conform. So his--I don't know what his interpretation is.
I take it he was measuring it, from what I could gather from the
builder. And again he's here_to answer the euestion--he measured
it from the back of the building to the top of the roofs and ~s I
read the Code it's from the front of the building to the mean--
which is halfway up the roof line.
So considering all the factors involved, I respectfully urge
you for a variance for this accessory structure with any reason-
able conditions that you impose and to make an affirmative deter-
mination on the height of the building if that is what the
building inspector's problem is. Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else to soeak in favor of
this? Do any of you fellows have any questions you would like to
ask either Mr. Brautigam or Mr. Lark?
MR. BRAUTIGAM: May I inject a few sentences?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Surely, Mr. Brautigam.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: In the mike if you would, Mr. Brautigam.
We're trying to tape this.
MR. BRAUTIGAM: Oh, I see.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: It becomes very difficult, Mr. Lark, unless
you have everybody speaking into the mike.
MR. BRAUGTIGAM: I'm Chuck Brautigam. I just wantee to inject
a few sentences to what Dick said. I have a very patient attitude
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(Mr. Brautigam continued):
but my patience is running real short lately, and finally between
Bill and I decided we had better go to Dick to find out what in
the world is going on by not being allowed to continue or finish
this structure. And I'm in New Jersey, and I'm on the road travel-
ing and I have very little contact with the day-to-day activities
of the builders and the town inspectors and the building inspectors,
whatever. And I felt and still do that I was doing the right thing
and that my structure is an enhancement rather than a deterrent to
the neighborhood; and I really -- I don't know if any one of you
have seen it, but if you haven't please go down and look at it.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We've all been down there.
MR. BRAUTIGAM: I'm quite embarrassed about it. And I admit
it looks a lot more than a carport even thought of being, but what
is a carport; and as Dick said, as we progressed the money was
being spent and dozers were in there and putting the driveway in
and all that, and then while we're spending all this money we
might as well make it something a little more useful. That's about
how it all happened. From there on as to which plan was accepted
by Mr. Fisher and which was not and which was objectionable, I'm
really not aware of that particular detail. If there are any fur-
ther questions about Mr. Fisher, Beebe and whatever, I don't know.
Please ask them.
MR. CHAIRMAN: You've got it pretty well covered here I think.
MR. BRAUTIGAM: I'd appreciate it iF you'd give us serious
consideratior and let us complete the building. Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAn: All right, thank you. Anyone else? Anyone
to speak against this?
JAMES CRON: My name is James Cron. I'm with the law offices
of Richard J. Cron and we represent Mr. Harry Lister, who will be
speaking in opposition to this tonight. Gentlemen, I think it's
necessary to point out at the outset that the actions which Mr.
Brautigam relied on -- that is, the actions of George Fisher, the
building ~nspector, were null and void. They were illegal. He
had no power to change the determination of this Board by granting
an amendment. I think that is necessary to point out at the outset.
Furthermore, Mr. Br~utigam states in his petition that he
has very little knowledge about these matters. However, he appeared
before this Board on September 28, 1978 to ask in person for the
variance. He knows a little more than possibly he's leading on. I
would also like to cast back your minds to September 28, 1978 when
he appeared before the Board. The Board specifically granted him a
variance for a carport. Approximately five days later, that is,
October 3rd, a Tuesday, this being a Thursday night September 28th,
he applied for a building permit and submitted his drawings. The
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(James Cron continued):
drawings which he submitted were quite detailed, and they were detailed
in that they were not a carport. It is our contention that Mr. Brauti-
gam had at no time the intention of building a carport, but building
exactly the structure that stands there now. Mr. Brautigam has men-
tioned in his application that there's hardship. Yes there is hardship,
but it's intentionally inflicted upon himself. He disregarded the
variance that this Board consented to. Ne did so ex parte, unilaterally,
and without in any way coming before this Board to request~ a confirma-
tion, a clarification in any respect. He mentions he spoke with the
building insoector, and that his builder spoke with the building inspector.
The building inspector, George Fisher at one time worked for Mr. Beebe.
I don t think he was completely without emotion in granting this, and
also in ligh~ of the fact it haopened five days after his proposed carport
was granted. I think it s highly suspicious.
Furthermore, the building is obstrusive. Gentlemen, if you have
seen the building, it is a two-story building. It has a deck. It has
a chimney for a fireplace. It has room for a bedroom, living room and
bathroom. It's hardly a carport. It s a two-story structure. It does
cause quite a bit of notice by anybody passing on the road. Mr. Lister
is opposed to it because it stands basically right on his boundary line,
and it is something that this Board did not grant that man the right to
do, I keep reiterating that because it is this Board and only this Board
that had the authority to grant what Mr. Brautigam built.
For those reasons I believe that the Board should turn down this
application without further undo. Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Anyone else? Do any of the Board
members have any questions?
MR. LARK: I would just like to phrase one point to clarify the
record. Mr. Lister is not the adjacent owner. The Estate of Catherine
Fleet is.
MR. CHAIRMAN: There is a 15-foot right-of-way--
MR. LARK: Twenty-foot right-of-way, and then the building is
some 6½' further east of that.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Well if there is no one else, III
close the hearing and reserve the decision when we get this thing
settled. We have a lot of going through before we can really write
something either way on it. So, thank you very much for coming in
and we'll get to it as soon as we can.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Seconded
Or motion by Mr. Grigonis., seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision in the
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matter of Charles A. Brautigam, Appeal No. 2775.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2773. Application of Joseph D.
Posillico, Sr., Hemlock Drive, Farmingdale, NY 11735 (by Richard F.
Lark, Esq.) for Variances to: (1) the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III,
Sec. 100-31 and Art. XI, Sec. lO0-118E for permission to construct
new dwelling with insufficient front and rear yards; and (2) New
York Town Law Section 280-A for approval of access. Location of
property: Camp Mineola Road (a/k/a Reeve Avenue), Mattituck, NY;
bounded north by Corwir; west by Private Road and Corwin; south by
Bay; east by McMahon; County Tax Map ID No. 1000-123-6-12.4.
The Chairman opened the hearing at 8:50 p.m. by reading the
appeal application in its entirety, legal notice of hearing and affi-
davits attesting to its publication in the local and official news-
papers, Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, and letter
from the Town Clerk that notification to adjoining property owners was
made; fee paid $15.00.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a survey of the property showing the
present building and showing the proposed location of the new dwelling,
and a section of the County Tax Map showing this property and the
property in the surrounding areas. Is there anyone to speak in favor
of this application or add to it?
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: Speaking on behalf of Mr. Posillico,
Richard Lark, Main Road, Cutchogue, New York. As indicated in the
application I do represent Mr. Posillico, who couldn't be here tonight.
He's on vacation. The application is three-fold; one to review the
determination of the building inspector, which is going to become a
legal issue that you'll have to decide. The second one is the factual
issue on granting a sideyard variance, which is practical difficulties
under the zoning ordinance. And then the third one is granting access
under 280-A of the Town Law'.s--as indicated hasn't been done. As for
the first one, when Mr. Posillico decided to become interested and buy
this property, he wanted to purchase it but he wanted to knock down
the existing house, which I think the Board has seen that's on there
and build a modern structure that would be more in keeping with his
needs. And originally he thought he would just knock down the struc-
ture that's there and build right where it's in its place. And I
approached the building inspector to find out what we would have to
comply with to update the house in that fashion. You know, knock it
down, and put in a foundation and build a new one in the same spot.
And it was the building inspector's recommendation rather ironic that
the house be moved back so it would conform with the existing shall
we say ~'setback lines" off the Bay with the other houses that were
generally on both sides. You know, to keep it somewhat in the same
vain, because this house as it presently stood owned by M~ss Detner
was a little closer to the bulkhead and he thought that that would be
best, especially considering the flood plain laws and the other laws
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(Mr. Lark continued):
that have now been, environmental laws that have come on, that you
need certain heights and so on and so forth; and as it turned out
when the survey was done, there was enough height, 7 or 8 feet, where
if you moved it back about 25 or 20 feet it wo~ld be in conformance.
So, you said initially that that would have to be done. But
then after it was decided to move it back, he was very candid, he said,
"you would have to get a sideyard variance if you do that because I'm
going to view what you consider your frontyard--your si-deyard as the
frontyard, and therefore you're going to need a variance." He says,
"I realize that you're going to build the house facing the Bay, but
technically the way the lot is laid out by the Planning Board," and
since this did receive Planning Board approval -- we have a copy of
the Planning Board map there--so we don't get into the size of the lot
question, because it did have an existing house on it-- he says, "I'm
going to view that as being your frontyard and therefore you're going
to have to get a variance for that." And that after we applied for a
building permit to move it back to start the chain of events to come
before the Board for the sideyard variance, he came up with the fact
that this was really a nonconforming use, and he got hung up on that,
and that's why he issbed the Notice of Disapproval. And when you read
the zoning ordinance, and I checked into this quite a bit, under
nonconforming use, was that section that he quotes there, lO0-118E,
that only applies where the use is not compatible with the zoning
district. Here we have an A-Residential zone which the use is resi-
dential. And nonconforming use is defined in our statute as any
use whether of a building, tract of land, or both, existing on the
effective date of this chapter, and here are the key words, "which
does not conform to the use regulations of the district in which it
is located." So my first point, as I say and a legal one that you'll
have to check with the Town Attorney on, is that this is not in any
way, shape or form~with the use variance application, nor does Section
100-118 in any way apply. Because the use has always been conforming;
it is now. The old house is still there and the proposed new house
would be the same -- A Residential. So if you would review that with
the attorney, I trust that you will find that I'm correct on my
analysis of the law on that point.
Now I won t burden the record with the application portion for
the sideyard variance. I think you can see the lot width there is
according to the survey which you have, is approximately for the pur-
poses of this discussion about 90 feet. Now what makes this lot
different from the other lots surrounding it is this one faces on
the right--only on one right-of-way; that's the one running north
and south as you see on Exhibit A. So the building inspector con-
strues that as the frontyard, and it would be impossible under our
zoning to locate any kind of house there with a 50-yard, frontyard,
and a 50-yard rearyard when you only have 90-feet to begin with, ok?
But he also recognizes that all the houses in the neighborhood are
facing, you know, towards the Bay, the ones that have the bayfront
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January 22, 1981
(Mr. Lark continued):
property.
So as for the practical matter, the frontyard as most of them
is facing the Bay and the rear, either towards their access areas as
to the properties to both the east and the west have asright-of-way
that they can obtain access. But this is the only right-of-way that
runs north and south there, which the petitioner will have. So the
request then is to, if you will, technically under the zoning ordi-
nance, to get a frontyard variance to locate his house within as
shown there, approximately 10 feet from~the right-of-way, which should
give sufficient space to the neighbor on the other side of the right-
of-way to the west, and then it would leave 15 feet to the neighbor on
the east. And under the half-acre concept that we had before we went
to acre, that was the normal sideyard, 10 and 15, both of them 25.
So it would be compatible with precedence on that nature.
And by moving it back rather than building on the same spot, it
would conform to the existing flood plain regulations that we have and
so on and s'o forth because: (a) we got a bulkheaded property and (b)
the elevation in that area as you can see on the map where the survey
has located it runs approximately eight feet, a little bit better ~n
some and then it goes down in the back. Ok.
So that's a practical difficulty which is being requested for
the sideyard, and as I indicated when the building inspector then
issued the determination disapproving the relocation of the house, it
was his ooinion that no one, in spite of all the houses that are in
that neighborhood, I found it hard to believe, ever got approval of
Camp Mineola Road from the Board of Appeals. So again the third ohase
of the application is a clean-up, is to get approval. That road as !
have indicated, ~n other neighbor's presence, has been here for many,
many years. Aooarently it doesn't have any official sanction and it
only can come from one party, or one Board, under the Town Law and
that s the Board of Appeals. So that's the third phase of the appli-
cation.
I think, as I said, the first one is a legal question which
you 11 have to get an interpretation from the attorney, and the second
one is in your province on practical difficulties using the criteria
of how substantial the request is. Again, it's an existing house, the
°lanning Board gave approval for the lot with the house as it was
because that was nonconforming as to area and not as to use, and as
to sideyards and rearyard, it was there many~years prior to the zoning
ordinance. So when they divided that property up into four lots as
you have on Exhibit B there, the house was down there. There will be
no increase in the density population as indicated; it's still going
to remain a one-~amily use. So it will still be the same. And there
will be no change in the character of the neighborhood. In fact it
should be an upgrading because the house there was,'really the whole
reason we're here, Mr. Posillico found it would cost far too much for
what it was worth in relationship to the prooerty, to try to renovate
the existing house, and as I say, there were all kinds of games that could
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(Mr. Lark continued):
be played as you build the house around the existing house and
then he wouldn t have to come here, but the cost of doing that
when you get into the Code requirements as to the electricity,
the plumbing and things of that nature, that was not only feasible,
he wash t kidding anybody by doing that. So that's why he wanted
to tear down the old structure rather than even try to move it.
His builder told him that he couldn't even move the structure.
It didn t warrant it. It wasn ~ substantial enough with its
underpinnings.
And I don't believe there will be any substantial detriment
to the adjoining properties created, because again it's a one-family
situation moving it back with the existing setbacks that the houses
enjoy on the creek; and with all the factors taken into consideration
I respectfully request that you grant the area variance for a front-
yard--here as requested, and that you give consideration under 280-A
to the access, not only to that lot but to all the lots till it gets
to the nearest public road in the neighborhood, and then to give me
a legal review as to the Building Inspector's determination--this is
a nonconforming use. Thank you.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Is there any reason why you selected the
west side, actually the frontyard in this particular case, to be set
off at 10 feet rather than the east side of the--
MR. LARK: No, it could go the other way. That was kind of,
yo.u'might say, arbitrary. Probably on my part after talking with
Mr. Fisher intially, as I say it's my neck to the Building Deoartment
here, because the other house to the east is almost virtually right
on the property line as you see on the drawing there on Exhibit A, on
the survey. And by putting it 15 feet off of that one would create
a little wider separation between two adjacent dwellings and it was
felt by, you wouldn't gain anything by moving that five and making
the other 15. Another consideration was, that the driveway ~o the
house would be further north on that right-of-way, in order words
it's not contemplated that that right-of-way become improved all the
way down the actual-- as you see the jog out in the house, in the
back, in that area, would be where the garage entrance, the driveway
would be. And so it was felt by, if you had a choice whether to put
that 10 or 15 feet, that was the reason for it. It was primarily
the house separation in the back, and then you were right on the
existing right-of-way. In other words that right-of-way is a dead-end
there. It's not going anywhere. You know, as a thoroughfare. I
thought of that originally, maybe we should be 15 feet back o== of
it--after viewing the property and going down there and looking at
it, it was basically my advice to Mr. Posillico to move it a little
bit further east. The Building Inspector thought that was a good
choice considering the two things.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Is there also, do you have any idea or
does your applicant have any idea how heavily trafficvthat right-of-
way is in the summertime? ~
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Janu~ary 22, 1981
MR. LARK: I imagine it would be Quite heavily~ you mean,
the end of the old road itself?
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Right. The end of it.
MR. LARK: It's basically, there's now a number of yearround
homes in there, but I suppose the population would probably double
or better than that in the summer. It would be much more activity
in the summer. There's no auestion about that. But again there
will be no increase in density--it will still be one family~for the
lot.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Thank you.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Isn't that right-of-way still in dispute
over who has a right over the top of it?
MR. LARK: As to the northerly portions of it when it runs
out, I understand there is some dispute. But as to this area here,
~ don't believe there is any. This property as I understood it
came out of the Howell family, and they clearly had the -- he owned
the whole thing at one time. ~ don't think there's been any dispute
as to this property using it, but I know there is a dispute as you
go further north on it and in fact some portions of it aren't used
at all, or very little have used it to go directly north and they
take the spur--I believe it's Pray Ave-- Kraus Road, that's what it
is.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Kraus Road.
MR. LARK: But I know that portion of it has been a big
bone of contention for some time. But down ~n this area I don't
think so, as to these owners on this particular property when it
was subdivided.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Any other questions? Is there anyway that
man would consider maybe shortening the house a few feet?
MR. LARK: Yes. He's not married to that particular plan at
all, and in fact when I talked To _him, I have a, I guess you'd call
it-- I'll talk into the microphone like you want me to-- like a
builder's sketch, and it wasn't submitted as part of it because he
wasn't really going to be married to it. This shows if I can show
the Board just what he had in mind, if anybody else wants to look
at it. But as I indicated he's not married to this particular ones
and in fact as a practical matter I believe he is going to shorten
it up, because this didn't work out exactly the way he wanted. What
he calls here his'rear elevation would face the Bay, this would be
the general layout, where he would have a deck. In other words we're
looking if you were standing in the water looking north that way.
And that's the--that would be the floor plan layout there, the second
sheet there, and then the first sheet if you were to stand on the
north of the property and look to the south, as I indicated to you
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(Mr. Lark continued):
the garage area would be e~er in that areas and he wasn't exactly
married to the actual dimensions of the length of the house, but
that was the general schematic that his builder, Mr. Pontino, had
come up with, and as I say he was thinking when be talked to me
of shortening up some of these rooms and over in this area, over
in here, which would would by necessity shorten uo the house a
little bit.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: That would give you more frontyard, what-
ever you want to call it there.
MR. LARK: Yeah. Whatever way you want to look at it, yeah.
That was what the builder had come up with with the architect when
they looked at the property. After Mr. Posillico looked at it for
what he wanted for his use, he says, "I don't need all that space."
And ne wanted to condense~it because he wanted to make one common
deck because the way that was going to be you'd have like two decks,
and he wanted to be able to go out from the kitchen and from the
bedroom area, you know, using the Bay as the back drop as a front-
yard area. tt has one deck, so he could squeeze together that
easterly portion, make it shorter in other words--the house. But
I was generally what was_envisioned, that type of layout.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Actually this here sketch would~ if this
were into scaling, would show the house at about 65 feet.
MR. LARK: Sixty-four I think is what came up for the answer.
(The Board members reviewed the floor plans brought by Mr.
Lark, and then the plans were returned to Mr. Lark.)
UNKNOWN GENTLEMEN: May we look at the olan$?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.
MR. CORWIN: Here on the side on the scale, the side showing
30 feet. That would leave 65 using that scale.
way.
MEMBER DOUGLASS: It s 30 in here plus this little kick-out.
MR. DENERI: The plans shows 34 here, 42 here, and 65 this
(At this time several persons were speaking at one time
and the conversations were not clear.)
SECRETARY: May I have your name, please?
MR. DENERI: D-e-n-e-r-i. I'm here to speak--
MR. LARK: That's why that wasn't presented as an exhibit,
that was just made for the architect and the builder.
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MR. DENERI: --for Mrs. McMahon, who is the immediate next
door neighbor. I live next to Mrs. McMahon-- like 55 feet away
from the oiece of property.
MR. LARK: As I say, he indicated to me that it was too
long for his purposes--for living purposes, because he thought
that, it's just he and his wife now and then the grandchildren
will be visiting, he says, "I don't need as this space." Ok?
But that's generally what he had in mind. Ok?
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Dick. You seem to always come up
with accesses nobody has record of--the Gajeski thing where for
years we thought it was a town road.
MR. LARK: I couldn t believe that--because he's issued
many, many building permits,there. (A gentleman from the
audience asked Mr. Lark a question, which was not clear because
it was not through the direction of the chairman.)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else wishing to soeak for
this? (Negative). Is there anyone here to speak against this?
RICHMOND CORWIN, JR.: My name is Richmond Corwin, Jr. I
am the owner of the right-of-way that s in question to the west,
and the property that is to the west of that right-of-way. As a
point of information on that right-of-way, the parcel that's in
question here has right to Camp Mineola Road from that right-of-way
to that parcel, not to che Bay. There is a restrictive clause on
that. They have the right to enter off of the right-of-way onto
that parcel, and that's the extent of their right--not to the Bay
or anything of that nature. Speaking from the general view and
having read the application--coming down and having read the appli-
cation, there were a number of ouestions that I looked at and
felt were in error. One on the Environmental Conservation ques-
tionnaire concerning the bulkhead that the bulkhead is in good
condition. It does not take a marine engineer that that bulkhead
is not in good condition. The EAF form on question 8, will the
project have a ma2or effect on the visual character of the com-
munity or scenic views that known to be of importance to the
community. Again, looking at the community as it has been struc-
tured both in the older buildin§s and the newer buildings you
will find that this house far exceeds the norm for the area as
far as size, both in width and length, ana as--I!m now speaking
for my wife who is the owner of the parcel due north, a house of
this size taking up that much of the width of the property as is
so constructed or proposed to be constructed would have a
delusory effect on the value of the property to the north as
far as having the view of the water. These are purely subjective
observations, but I would like to be on record as having stated
them.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Zs there anyone else?
CHARLES HUMMELL: My name is Charles Hummell; I live directly
~' Southold Town Board of Appeals -l~- January 22, 1981
(Mr. Hummell continued):
north of the proposed building that you're speaking of. I just want
to say that I put my life savings into my home, and I built my home
because it had a beautiful view of the Bay. Now from the proceedings
I see here, that view is going to be taken away. Now if everyone
here was in my position for just one minute and thought how hard I
worked for my money to put up this house because of the view that we
see, and now that everything is going to be lost, so. Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Hummell.
EUGENE DENERI: My name is Eugene Deneri. I live two houses
east of this plot that we're talking about, but I'm here to speak
for a Mrs. McMann who lives in the plot right next to the proposed
Posillico plot. I've lived in Camp Mineola for, it's going on 14
years I've owned by house. Prior to that I've been coming there
since before World War ZI. I know every house on the beach. There
isn't a house on the beach that is the size that this house is
being proposed at. About the widest house on the beach starting
at the Norris property, that is Bruce Norris' property and going
west to James Creek, the widest house facing the beach and there
are approximately 25 houses facing the beach, is 48 feet wide and
it's on at least a 95-foot olot or a lO0-foot plot. The rest of
the houses average somewhere below 30 feet on plots going anywhere
=rom 50 feet to 95 to 100 feet. I think the plan for this house
at 60, 65, 64 feet is excessive for that size plot of ground. It
will, one thing for Mrs. McMann~ shut out every bit of daylight
that comes into her house for a good 65-70% of the day, this ts
it being built on the west side of her house, it will make a
narrow tunnel between the two houses that Mr. Hummell, if he gets
into the right room of his house may be able to see below water-
front. I just can't understand why they want to build a house at
least sprawled out that wide. There must be another way to build
the house--turn it around sideways or make a two-story house out
of it. All of this is feasible and plausible. There are other
two story houses along the beach in either direction. On top of
it all, I have to agree with Mr. Corwin~ the bulkhead's in bad
shaDe--it's lowest than my bulkhead is 55 feet away, and when we
get a bad storm, the back end of her property is lower than the
front end o~ the property at the bulkhead and the backyard floods.
New does Mr. Posillico plan to fill in the backyard? Is that
going to be permitted? Because if that is permitted, ~hen the
properties on either side of that plot of ground, the smallest
one around it incidentally are going to be overflowed because his
property will be higher than everyone else's. The terrain naturally
runs downhill westerly towards James Creek. Nobody's objecting to
Mr. Posillico or anybody else building a house there. We would love
to have a fulltime neighbor there. But we'd like to have a house
that conforms with the rest of the neighborhood.
We're not mad at him because he wants to build a 65-foot wide
~ Southold Town Board of Appeals -20- January 22, 1981
house, but I wouldn't do it on a 95-foot plot of ground. I can't
understand why he wants to do it. I don't think it makes any sense.
It is going to just make the place look like parts of the world most
of us, except natives, escaped from a long time ago. This is what
we're trying to avoid; we jus~ don't want to see another condition
where you have an alley-way between houses barely wide enough for
people to fit through. And 15 feet isn't really a devil of a lot of
room. Now my house was built in about 1925. I have at least 20
feet on my west side and much more on my east side. The McMahon
house was built shortly after mine or maybe at the same time as mine;
it's built almost on the property line--there s no two ways about it.
I just can't-- I think the big bone of contention here is the
width of that house, the size of that house. If he were planning
a different kind of house, none of these questions would be before
the Board of Appeals right now because there wouldn't be any need
for them, It's because he wants to put a house on it that doesn't
=irst of all conform to anything else in the neighborhood, and does-
n't conform sideyard-wise, or front or back-wise, however we're
going to call this, because this is kind of peculiar change of events.
My frontyard faces north, but I get taxed from the south, because
it faces the Bay.
This is our objection, this is what we want you to take into
consideration, that the house is much too large for the plot of
ground. It:really is postage stamp with the size of the house
that Mr. Posillico wants to put on the piece of property.
The other thing is I may have misunderstood Mr. Lark, but I
understood that the jet-back in the house on one of the plans there
may be the garage that would be right in McMahon's bedroom window.
I don't think I'd like to have that in my bedroom window. We come
out here for the peace and quiet.
So please, give some consideration to the size of the house
to the size of the plot. That's the problem. It's much too large
for the size of the plot Thank you.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Is there anyone else? Do you have
any questions you would like to ask? I'll offer a resolution closing
the hearing and reserving decision until we can check it and~maybe,
like Mr. Lark, there's a possibility the man may be changing his
house around a little bit somewhere or way, along the way.
MR. LARK: Before you vote on your motion to adjourn, the ques-
tions before the Board is zoning here. We don't have an archi.tectural
review committee in here. Eight-hundred fifty square feet is the
minimum, and I think this is house is only 1300 or 1400. But that's
not the issue here. The issue here is under the zoning, and the
zoning is the sideyard and the practical difficulties on the sideyard,
number one, ten feet off the right-of-way. I don't want to get all
hung up on vistas or anything like that because that's not what we're
here for. Maybe we should pass another ordinance, like we don't have
enough of them. Like communities have, an architectural review as to
Southold Town Board of Appeals -21- January 22, 1981
(Mr. Lark continued):
what can go there. But that's not the purpose that we're here.
MEMBER GOEHR~NGER: Just a ooint in passing, I think the house
is in excess~.of 1800 square feet.
MR. LARK: I'm not talking--it was exclusive of the garage area,
which you don't include for --
MR. CHAIRMAN: Living quarters.
MR. LARK: Yeah, right.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I make the motion to close the hearing and reserve
decision.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: Seconded.
MR. DENERI: The only thing that I wanted to direct was the
eluding to 1300 square feet. The garage is only 400 square feet.
It's 20 by 20, roughly speaking 400 square feet, and my calculations
come to 2200 square feet including the garage. Take 400 off that
it's an 1800 square-foot house, not 1350.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: When we calculated Mr. Deneri, we calculated
approximately 2300 square feet.
MR. DENERI: I was agreeing with you. Just not agreeing with
Mr. Lark.
MEMBER GOEHRINGER: I think we're aware of that, you know, and
that it's going into the record.
MR. CHAIRMAN: There's been a second on it. Thank you very much
for coming in.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, to close the hearing and reserve decision in the
matter of Joseph D. Posillico, Sr., Appeal No. 2773.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
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January ~-~, 1981
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, to approve the minutes of the Special Meeting held
January 6, 1981.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Goehrin-
ger and Sawicki. Mr. Doyen was absent from the room at this moment.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, to approve the minutes of the Special Meeting held
January 17, 1981.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Goehrin-
ger and Sawicki. Mr. Doyen was absent from the room at this moment.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, to approve the minutes of the Regular Meeting held
December 29, 1980.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Douglass, Goehrin-
get and Sawicki. Mr. Doyen was absent from the room at this moment.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that the next regular meeting of the Board of Appeal. s
be held Thursday, February 12, 1981 at 7:30 o clock p.m. at the
Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
Upon reviewing the new appeal applications recently filed,
it was the consensus of the Board to hold the following ~n abeyance
for the following noted reason(s):
Appeal No. FA-5 George Sweeney (by Goldsmith Building & Con-
struction, Inc.) D.E.C. jurisdiction.
Appeal No. 2776
Frederic P. Rich (by Wm. H. Price, Jr., Esq.)
Pursuant to Chapter Al06-13 and 20 requires
Planning Board review prior to setting off
or creation of parcel.
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January 22, 1981
Appeal No. 2783
Thomas J. DeBorger (by Rudolph H. BrNer, Eso.)
Pursuant to Chapter Al06-13 and 20, requires
Planning Board review prior to setting off or
creation of parcel.
Appeal No. 2782
John and Mary Pietrodangelo (by Rudolph H.
Bruer, Esq.) reques~ Planning Board
parking plan consideration for proposed
business use in a residential zone.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer, it was
RESOLVED, that the following appeals be scheduled and adver-
tised for public hearings to be held at the next regular meeting
of this Board, to wit, Thursday, February 12, 1981:
7:35 p.~m.
Appeal No. 2777 Robert and Diane Gazza, for per-
mission to construct attached garage with insuffi-
cient frontyard setback. 2850 Cedar Beach Rd, Sld.
7:45 P.m.
Appeal No. 2684 - North Fork Motel, Inc., for Der-
mission to change existing motel use to privately
owned units (or condominium) use. C.R. 27, Sld.
8:00 p.m.
Appeal No. 2780 Albertson and Katz, for permission
to construct addition to existing building with an
insufficient rearyard setback. S.R. 25, Southold.
8:15 p~.m.
Appeal No. 2781 James D!Aquisto, for permission to
construct accessory building in frontyard. 3235
Manhasset Avenue, Greenport.
8:25 p.m.
Appeal No. 2784 Robert T. Bayley, for approval of
access, N.Y. Town Law Sec. 280-A. R-O-W off South
Harbor Road, Southold.
8:35 p.m.
Appeal No. 2779 Michael Caprise, for permission to
construct accessory building in frontyard area at
345 North View Drive (a/k/a 370 South View Dr.), Ort.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
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Appeal No. 2650 - Y & C Holding Corp.
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held on the matter of the
application of Y & C Holding Corp. dated December 6, 1979, said
public hearing having been held December 27, 1979 and recessed
i'ndefinitely without date pending further notification from
applicant and its attorney;
WHEREAS, this Board acknowledges receipt of written request
dated December 30, 1980 from Abigail A. Wickham, Ese., attorney
for the applicant herein, requesting that the application be
withdrawn;
on motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it
is
RESOLVED, that the matter of Y & C Holding Corp., Appeal
No. 2650, be withdrawn.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
WHEREAS, applicant has submitted an environmental assessment
in the short form which indicates that no adverse effects were
likely to occur to the environment;
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED, that in Appeal No. 2777,
application of ROBERT AND DIANE GAZZA, for a Variance to the Zoning
Ordinance, Art. III, Sec. 100-31~ to construct attached garage with
insufficient frontyard setback at 2850 Cedar Beach Road, Southold,
this Board determines that this project if implemented as planned
herein is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant
effect upon the environment; and pursuant to the N.Y.S. Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA), Sections 617.13 and 617.5(a), and the
Southold Town Code, Section 44=4, no further determination or proce-
dure is reouired by this department in the SEQRA standards of process.
[This declaration should not be considered a determination made for
any other department or agency which may a~so be involved, or any
other project not covered by the within application.]
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
WHEREAS, the property in question does not appear to De located
within 300 feet of tidal wetlands, and therefore does not appear to
require permits from the N.Y.S. Department of Environmental Conser-
vation pursuant to Sections 661.4(b)(1) and 661.7 of Article 25 of
the Environmental Conservation Law; and
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WHEREAS, applicant has submitted an environmental assessment
in the short form which indicates that no adverse effects were
likely to occur to the environment;
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer,
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED, that in Appeal No. 2780,
application of Albertson and Katz for a Variance to the Zoning Ordi-
nance, Art. VI, Sec. lO0-70A(1)(d) and Art. VI, Sec. 100-62F, for
oermission to construct addition in a B-1 General Business District,
at premises located at the~south side of Main Road, Southold, NY,
this Board determines that this project if implemented as planned
herein is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant
effect upon the environment; and pursuant to the N.Y.S. Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA), Sections 617.13 and 617.5(a), and the
Southold Town Code, Section 44-4, no further determination or proce-
dure is required by this department in the SEQRA standards of process.
[This declaration should not be considered a determination made for
any other deoartment or agency which may also be involved, or any
other project not covered by the within a~plic.ation.]
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
WHEREAS, the property in question does not appear to be located
within 300 feet of tidal wetlands, and therefore does not appear to
require permits from the N.Y.S. Department of Environmental Conser-
vation pursuant to Sections 661.4(b)(1) and 661.7 of Article 25 of
the Environmental Conservation Law; and
WHEREAS, applicant has submitted an environmental assessment
in the short form which indicates that no adverse effects were
likely to occur to the environment;
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer,
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED, that in ApPeal No. 2781,
application of James D'Aquisto =or a Variance to the Zoning Ordi-
nance, Art. III, Sec. 100-32 for permission tO construct accessory
building in frontyard, 3235 Manhasset Avenue, GreenDort, New York,
this Board determines that this project if implemented as planned
herein is classified as a Type It Action, not having a significan~
effect uDon the environment; and pursuant to the N.Y.S. Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA), Sections 617.13 and 617.5(a), and the
Southold Town Code, Section 44-4, no further determination or proce-
dure is required by this department in the SEQRA standards of process.
[This declaration should not be considered a determination made for
any other department or agency which may also be involved, or any
other project not covered by the within application.]
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
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Goehringer and Sawicki.
WHEREAS, applicant has submitted an environmental assessment
in the short form which indicates that no adverse effects were
likely to occur to the environment; and
WHEREAS, the access road in question is not,located within
300 feet of tidal wetlands and therefore would not appear to
require permits from the N.Y.S. Department of Environmental Con-
servation pursaunt to Sections 661.4(b)(1) and 661.7 of Article 25
of the Environmental Conservation Laws [although the subdivision
proposed does fall within 300 feet of tidal wetlands but is not
under the jurisdiction of this Board at this time],
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringers
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED, that in Appeal No. 2784,
application of Robert T. Bayley for a Variance for approval of
accesss New York Town Law Section 280-A, for property located
off South Harbor Roads Southold, New York 11971,
this Board determines that this oroject if implemented as planned
herein is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant
effect upon the enviWonment; and pursuant to the N.Y.S. Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA), Sections 617.13 and 617.5(a), and the
Southold Town Code, Section 44-4, no further determination or proce-
dure is required by this department in the SEQRA standards of process.
[This declaration should not be considered a determination made for
any other department or agency which may also be involved, or any
other project not covered by the within application.]
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
WHEREAS, applicant has submitted an environmental assessment
in the short form which indicates that no adverse effects were
likely to occur to the environment; and
WHEREAS, the property in auestion is separated from the area
of tidal wetlands by approximately 300 feet of land area and a
50-foot private town-approved moad, and therefore does not appear
to require oermits from the N.Y.S. Department of Environmental
Conservation pursuant to Sections 661.4b and 661.7 of the
Environmental Conservation Law, Article 25;
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Goehringer,
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVEDs that in Appeal No. 2779,
application of Michael Caprise for oermission to construct an
accessory building in frontyard area au 345 North View Drive, Orient,
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this Board determines that this project if implemented as planned
herein is classified as a Type II Action, not having a significant
effect upon the environment; and pursuant to the N.Y.S. Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA)~ Sections 617.13 and 617.5[a), and the
Southold Town Code, Section 44-4, no further determination or proce-
dure is required by this department in the SEQRA standards of process.
[This declaration should not be considered a determination made for
any other departmen~ or agency which may also be involved, or any
other project not covered by ~he within apolication.]
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer~ seconded by Mr. Douglass,
it was
RESOLVED, that the Board deliberate in "closed session
the matters which have previously been heard and are pending
review.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
The Board deliberated in closed session between 9:50 and
10:30 p.m.
The C~airman reconvened the regular ~pen meeting at 10:30 p.m.
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2774. Application of Bernice
Lettieri~ 1430 Arrowhead Lane, Peconic, NY 11958, for a Variance
to the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III, Sec. 100-31 and 100-32 for
permission to construct tennis court with an insufficient setback
from property line(s)., occupying more than 40% of rearyard area,
and to construct tennis court in the sideyard area at 1430 A~ow-
head Lane, Peconic, NY; more particularly designated as County
Tax Map Item No. 1000-98-02-10; and bounded north by Abelson;
west by Kull; south by Abelson; east by Arrowhead Lane.
After investigation and personal inspection, the Board finds
as follows:
Appellant has appealed to this Board seeking a variance for
permission to construct a tennis court approximately 120' by 60'
at the southwesterly corner of the property in question. Existing
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on the premises is a large two-story framed house with porch.
The parcel is approximately 270' by an average of 152.' It
is the fe61ing of the Board that the structure proposed is
substantial in comparison with the size of the parcel and
would not be within the fe~$ble limits of maximum lot coverage.
The Board finds that the relief requested are substantial
in relation to the Code requirements; that if the variance is
granted a detriment to adjoining properties will be created;
that a substantial change will be produced in the character
of the neighborhood; and that the interests of justice will
not be served by the granting om the relief requested herein.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it was
RESOLVED, that Bernice Lettieri, 1430 Arrowhead Lane,
Peconic, New York, be denied permission to construct tennis
court as proposed in the within application.
Location of property: 1430 Arrowhead Lane, Peconic~ NY;
bounded north and south by Abelson; west by Kull; east by
Arrowhead Lane; County Tax Map Item No. 1000-98-02-10.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2773. Application of
Joseph D. POsillico, Sr., Hemlock Drive, Farmingdale, NY 11973
(by Richard F. Larks Esq.) for Variances to: (a) the Zoning
Ordinances Art. III, Sec. 100-31, and Art. XI, Sec. lO0-118E
for permission to construct new dwelling with insufficient front
and rear yards; and (b) New York Town Law, Sec. 280-a for approval
of access. Location of property: Camp Mineola Road (a/k/a Reeve
Avenue), Mattituck, NY; bounded north by Corwin; west by Private
Road and Corwin; south by Bay; east by McMahon; County Tax Map
Item No. 1000~123-6-12.4.
After investigation and personal inspection, the Board finds
as follows:
Appellant has appealed to this Beard seeking a variance for
permission to construct a one-family dwelling with a setback from
the westerly property line of 10 feet and from the easterly property
line of 15 feet. The premises in question is approximately 90 feet
in depth and an average of 200 feet in length. Existing on the
premises is a one-story framed bungalow, which applicant intends to
remove entirely, and which is presently approximately three feet
from the westerly property line. Upon inspecting the general area,
the Board finds m6hy of the existing dwellings to have substantial
insufficient frontyard and sideyard setbacks and that the granting
of insufficient setbacks in the front and rear yard areas would not
change the character of the district.
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The Board finds that the relief requested in relation to
the Code requirements is not substantial; that if the variance
is granted no substantial detriment to adjoining properties will
be created; that no adverse effect is produced on available
governmental facilities of any increasee population; that no
substantial change is produced in the character of the neighbor-
hood; and that the interests of justice will be served by grant-
ing the variance with certain conditions, specified below.
On motion by Mr. Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Douglass, it
was
RESOLVED, that Ooseph D. Posillico, Sr. be granted a vari-
ance to the zoning ordinance, Art. III, Sec. 100-31 and Art. XI,
Sec. lO0-118E for permission to construct dwelling SUBJECT TO
THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, and be granted approval of access:
l)
That the dwelling not be constructed closer than 17½ feet
to the westerly property line [frontyard line], and that
the dwelling not be constructed closer than 17½ feet to
the easterly property line [rearyard area];
2)
That the dwelling be constructed so that it does not
protrude forward towards the Bay [south] of the easterly
neighbor's existing dwelling;
3) That compliance be met of the regulations of the Flood
Damage Prevention Law of the Town of Southold.
Location of property: Camp Mineola Road (a/k/a Reeve Avenue),
Mattituck, NY; bounded north by Corwin; west by Private Road and
Corwin; south by Bay; east by McMahon; County Tax Map Item No.
1000-123-6-12.4.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
APPEAL NO. 2729. William C. Mercurio, and others.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, that this matter be held in abeyance pending receipt
of three copies of an accurate certified survey showing the proposed
division of land and showing the exact new location of the main
dwelling with all setback distances, and receipt of a written con-
firmation from applicants that they agree to remove the existing
buildings prior to the issuance of a building permit in relocating
the main dwelling, if the variance were granted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
Goehringer and Sawicki.
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RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2775. Application of
Charles A. Brautigam dated December 26, 1980, by Richard F.
Lark, Esq. for Variances: (a) to amend a previous decision
of this Board made on September 28, 1978 in Appeal No. 2471
to permit the construction of an accessory building (garage)
with rooms, and (b) to review determinations made by the
Building Inspector concerning this accessory building which
includes a garage with rooms, Art. III, Sec. 100-32. Loca-
tion of property: West Road, Cutchogue, NY~ more particularly
designated as County Tax Map ID No. 1000-110-7-6 and bounded
north by West Road; west by Lister and G. Fleet Estate; south
by Cutchogue Harbor; east by Bicker.
Mr. Douglass made a motion to deny the relief requested
inasmuch as it does not conform with the original ~ariance
granted in 1978, there is insufficient hardship and that the
relief requested is substantial in relation to the Code
requirements. Mr. Goehringer seconded the motion, and discus-
sion was held~among the Board members.
Mr. Douglass then withdrew his motion, and Mr. Goehringer
withdrew his second of the motion, pending further consultation
with the Town Attorney.
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2770. Application of
Marianne Weil, Skunk Lane, Cutchogue, NY (by Rudolph H. Bruer,
Esq.) for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Art. III, Sec.
100-30(c)(1)(c) and Art. XIV, Sec. lO0-141(B) for permission
to establish home occupation in a residential area exceeding
30% of the area of one floor of the main building, and a Variance
for approval of access, New York Town Law Section 280-a. Loca-
tion of property: Right-of-way off the west side of Youngs Ave-
hue, Orient, NY; bounded north by private right-of-way,(King);
we~t by Kroepel; south by Reybine; east by High; County Tax Map
Item No. 1000-18-1-10.
After investigate, on and personal inspection, the Board
finds as follows:
Appellant has appealed to this Board seeking-variances:
(1) for permission to establish a home occupation, to wit, art
studio, occupying 68% of one floor of the principal building,
and (2) for approval of access along a 20-foot preexisting
right-of-way off Youngs Street and extending approximately 180
feet to the property in question. Existing on the premises is
an~.abandoned~building, substantial in size, in d$~repair. The'
road ~n cuestion is approximately 9 feet clear and unobstructed
and appears to have been a well-traveled farm road for many years.
It is the consensus of the Board that 68.75%, more or less, is
excessive and 40% would be feasible in light of the foregoing.
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The Board finds that the relief granted of 40% of the
occupancy.of one floor of the principal building for home
occupation use would not be substantial in relation to the
Code requirements; that if this relief is granted no sub-
stantial detriment to adjoining properties will be created;
that no adverse effect is produced on available governmental
facilities of any increased~population; that no substantial
change is produced in the character of the neighborhood;
and that the interests of justice will be served by granting
this relief conditionally as specified below.
The Board also finds that the granting of the variance
for approval of access is not substantial in relation to the
Code requirements; that if the variance is granted no sub-
stantial detriment to adjoining properties will be created;
that no adverse effect is produced on available governmental
facilities of any increased population; that no substantial
chang~ is produced in the character of the neighborhood;
that the difficulty cannot be obviated by some method feasible
for the appellant to pursue, other than a variance; and that
the interests of justice will be served by granting approval
of access.
On motion by Mr. Douglass~ seconded by Mr. Goehringer,
it was
RESOLVED, that Marianne Weil, Skunk Lane, Cutchogue, New
York be granted: (1) a Variance for permission to establish
home occupation ina residential area exceeding 30% of the
area of one floor of the main building and (2) a Variance for
approval of access, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:
(1
The home occupation shall not exceed 40% of the area
of one floor of the main building;
(2
Mo commercial or other type of business shall be con-
ducted on the premises;
(3
The access road shall be improved from Youngs Avenue
to the property line of applicant at the point of the
garage area;
(4
The access road shall be improved according tOcthe
specifications of the Board of Appeals for access
roads for 15 feet in width and the length indicated
in (3), supra.
(5) The access road shall be maintained clear 15 feet at
all~t~mes.
Location of property: Right-of-way off the west side of
Youngs Avenue, Orient, NY; bounded north by private right-of-way;
west by Kroepel; south by Reybine; east by High; County Tax Map
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Item No. lO00-18-l-lO.
Vote of the Board:
Goehringer and Sawicki.
Ayes:
Messrs. Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass,
RESERVED DECISION: Appeal No. 2674. Application of Roy C.
Schoenhaar, by Gary Flanner Olsen, Esc., Main Road, Mattituck, New
York for Variances to the Zoning Ordinance: (1) for approval of
insufficient area and width of parcels to be established in a
proposed subdivision, Article III, Section 100-31, and (2) for
permissior to reinstate preexisting nonconforming sideyard setback,
(3) for approval of access, New York Town Law Section 280-A.
Location of property: South side of Route 25, Mattituck, NY;
bounded north by Route 25; west by Matt Agency, Jarzombeck, Roth;
south by Mellender; east by Pumillo, Hallock, Steinhart, Jackson,
Bilianos; County Tax Map Item No. 1000-143-2-33.2.
Upon investigation and personal inspection, the Board finds
as follows:
Appellant has appealed to this Board seeking a variance ~or
approval of: (a) two parcels in the B-1 Business District
with insufficient area of 27,000 and 26,500 scuare feet, and 109
feet and 88 feet in road frontage, respectively, and (b) two
oarcels in the A-Residential and Agricultural District with insuf-
ficient area of 35,500 and 23,500 square feet, inclusive of the
proposed right-of-way runnirg 105 feet approximately along the
north end of the proposed parcel, and (c) approval of ac20-foot
proposed right-of-way extending from the Main Road to the inter, ior
residential parcel. Existirg or proposed parcel No. 1 is an
existing one-story dwellirg which would be left with a five-foot
easterly sideyard setback if this var:lance were granted~ It is
the consensus of this Board that the granting of this variance
as applied for will cause an overcrowdirg of land.
The Board finds that the relief requested is substantial in
relation to the Code requirements; that if the variance is granted
substantial detriment to adjoining properties will be created
inasmuch as the area is presently congested; that a substantial
change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood; and
that the interests of justice will not be served by the granting
of the relief requested herein.
On motion by Mr. Douglass, seconded by Mr. Sawicki, it was
RESOLVED, that Roy C. Schoenhaar be denied approval of
insufficient area, width and approval of access as applied for.
Location of proper~y: South Side of Route 25, Mattituck,
NY; bounded north by Route 25; west by Matt Agency, Jarzombeck,
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Roth; south by Mellender; east by Pumilto, Hallock, steinhart,
Jackson, Bilianos; County Tax Map Item No. 1000-143'2-33.2.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Grigonis, Doyen, Douglass and
Sawicki. Member Goehringer abstained.
Being there was no further business to come before the
Board at this time, the Chairman declared the meeting closed
at 11:00 p.m.
. APPROVED
~-Chairma~-B°ard~of
Respectfully submitted,
Linda F. Kowalski
Secretary
Southold Town Board of Appeals