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From: Noncarrow' Denis
Sent: Monday, June 17' 2O247:O8AK4
To: Nork|un' Stacey
Subject: FVV: Traveler Street Project Sanitary Flow Credits
Please keep somewhere Stacey
Thankyou
Denis Noncorrow
Southold Town Clerk.
Town of Southold, New York
631-765-1800
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From: Lanza, Heather
Sent: Friday,June 14, ZUZ43:59PM
To:Terry, Mark<mark.terry@town.southold.ny.us>; Doherty,Jill <jill.doherty@town.southold.ny.us>; Smith,Anne
<anne.smith@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Mealy, Brian <brian.mea|y@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx
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Webster, Kevin <kevin.vvebster@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Schroeder, Gwynn <8vvynns@southo|dtovvnny.8ovx; DeChance,
Paul <pauld@southoldtownny.gov>; Noncarrow, Denis<denisn@southoldtownny.gov>; Rudder, Lynda
<|ynda.rudder@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Krupski, A| <a|k@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx
Subject: RE:Traveler Street Project Sanitary Flow Credits
Hello Everyone Uexcluded Mr. Fcucrstcio from this chain, and added Gwynn, Paul, Denis & L.yooicl,
With regard to sanitary flow credits and a new resolution for them, we need a couple weeks more before we can
do that.
Please keep in mind that we are in the middle of revamping our Sanitary Flow Credit bank and procedures to
comply with SC Health Dcpt`s occd to see the scodiogpurcclhl from which sanitary flow credits are issued.
TYc have been working oo this for several weeks and expect tn have it completed soon.
We will, however, need a couple more weeks before we can issue a Sanitary Flow Credit certificate, which is
what l believe the Health Department needs.
There are many requirements in the code and we are organizing those into a clear procedure so we can process
these quickly io the near future.
z
And we are making a map of the sending parcels so we can track their location, the receiving parcels to which
they send credits and the overall balance of credits in the bank. The Health Dept needs to track the locations of
sending and receiving.
We will be back to Town Board with these procedures after Paul and I and Town Clerk's office have gone over
them to make sure the system is feasible and we all know who will be expected to do what. At that time we will
also ask the Town Board to memorialize the price of the sanitary flow credits by resolution (all agreed to $0 for
affordable, and some undetermined value for commercial use).
This should not hold up this project as it seems there are a few other items in the site plan application that need
attention. Not huge things, but Brian can provide an overview of those to the applicant if he would like to get
this moving again.
These are all things we can get done so this project can get moving again.
Heather
From:Terry, Mark<[nark:tg_rryCjtown.southold.ny.us>
Sent: Friday,June 14, 2024 12:11 PM
To:Todd Feuerstein (tc d_d( _h Eg.p com) <t dd( he rc p:cc rrr>; Doherty,Jill <i l.dohertyC)town.southold.ny.us>; Smith,
Anne«nn srnith(t n:s athc ld ny•us>; Mealy, Brian < rian:_mea.I ( tp n:sc bath ld:ny•us>
Cc: Lanza, Heather<heather:Inz ( tn scathcld:ny:�as>; Cummings, Brian A.
<brian.cummin s@town.southold.ny:Las>; Cerezo, Mara <maracC SOLAtholdto nny...ggvv>;Webster, Kevin
............................................................... ...............................
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Subject:Traveler Street Project
Todd,
Thank you for the email and the concise questions; answers are embedded below.
From:Todd Feuerstein <tc ddC�2.b.E!cgp com>
Sent: Friday,June 7, 2024 10:59 AM
To:Terry, Mark<rn _rk tgrry( taa nesaa�athaaldeny•us>
Subject: RE: Meeting
Mark,
As follow up to our meeting, I would like to pursue the 2 phase idea that you suggested for the Traveler Street
Project. Phase 1-Conversion of the existing house to 2 affordable apartments, Phase 2-Completion of the new
construction in the rear of the property. Please tell me what is needed to get site plan approval for this plan so that we
can get to a building permit.
You can start rehabilitation of the existing house now. All we need is a letter to the
Planning Board requesting such. Check with Brian (631-765-1938) that all approvals
regarding the Historic District obligations have been received.
I believe that the point we reached in the past is that the planning board would not approve the site plan without full
health department approval, but the health department would not provide full approval without the actual transfer of
2
sanitary flow credits to the parcel, and the town would not transfer the sanitary flow credits to the parcel without site
plan approval. There must be a way for the site plan to be conditionally approved based upon the health department's
existing board of review decision, subject to final health department approval once the credits are transferred.
Our records show that a resolution setting the public hearing on the transfer of 15
Sanitary Flow Credits was withdrawn on SEPTEMBER 22, 2020. I recommend that you
contact Councilwoman Doherty or Smith (631-765-1889) to place the resolution setting the
public hearing back on. The new administration has tentatively agreed that the price is
"0" for sanitary flow credits. The price is set in the resolution so there is no need to wait.
We will work with you to ensure the sanitary flow credit certificate is granted so the
application can receive Health Dept approval prior to final site plan approval. This may
involve a conditional site plan approval. I will ask Brian what is exactly needed to receive
it and will get back to you.
I spoke to Councilwoman Doherty and Councilwoman Smith in a recent meeting and they
assured me that the Town Board is eager to move forward on your request for credits.
Additionally, here is a summary of the other open items that we discussed at the meeting that would need to be
addressed:
1) Code language regarding preference for first responders being expanded to all of Suffolk County was changed in the
new code section regarding the transfer tax funds, but was not changed in the AHD section of the code. This language
should be consistent.
We agree and this will be brought to a Code Committee meeting and changes are
expected.
As we discussed, it would be beneficial to designate 20 percent of the unit build to persons
providing firematic protection, emergency medical or ambulance services. The Town
would alert those on the list that the units are available six months before CO issuance
and meet all other notice obligations.
Since the parcel is zoned AHD, any units that are constructed would require a lottery
system for eligible applicants. Is this a concern for your current tenants?
2)Affordable rental rates-Town Code 280-30-F "The pricing structure for rental properties must not exceed the rent
limits as established by the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program.The Town Board may, at its
discretion, impose restrictions regarding rentals."
We do not use the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program; we use
HUD — this section of the code will be discussed as a Code Committee and proposed to be
struck.
There are 2 issues with this language.
a) I have not been able to locate the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program. As far as I am aware,
3
the Suffolk County programs related to affordable/workforce housing all reference HUD-established FMRs and income
levels. Is it possible that this language in the town code referencing "Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities
Program" is no longer valid? If this is a valid program and I'm just missing it, please direct me to see where these rates
are published.
It is no longer valid.
b) Historically the rates set by the town board each year have been equal to the published HUD-established FMRs. Even
if we assume that the "rent limits as established by the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program" are
equal to the HUD-established FMRs, the current language in the code gives the town board discretion to set rental rates
at any number equal to or less than those rates. I believe that the code section needs to be changed so that the rates
are set at this published benchmark, rather than left up to whim of future town boards on an annual basis. Under the
existing language, a future town board could theoretically set rents at$1 per month which would obviously make it
economically impossible to build units under this program. To be clear, I am not looking to change the way that the
rates have been set historically, I'm only interested in making sure that the process is consistent going forward. This is
necessary so that the income from the property keeps pace with inflation as the expenses will.
The Planning Board can discuss with the Town Board a condition that allows the rates to
increase but not fall below a certain amount or potentially change the Town code so it ties
the rental rates more definitively with a benchmark and isn't open-ended. The condition
could be in the Resolution and a C&R filed with Suffolk County.
3) Cost of wastewater credits-The town has never provided me with a number for the cost of purchasing wastewater
credits. In the context of the town trying to support the construction of affordable units, I believe that the cost should
be as close to zero as possible.
They are projected to be "0".
4) Grants-What types of grants or other funds are available from Southold Town for the 2 phase plan outlined above?
We are currently working on a subsidy per unit with Town funding. This is direct
negotiation with the Town Board. A low interest loan is also an option as a public private
partnership. The loan funding may be used for construction of a sanitary system.
5) Property tax-The property is currently taxed at the regular rate for a single family, market-rate home which is roughly
$7,000 per year. Vineyard View's current property tax bill for a 50-unit completed project is$6,814. I would like to see
the project taxed consistent with the way that Vineyard View is being taxed.
Please speak to Kevin Webster, Tax Assessor (631-765-1937). The Town is exploring tax
incentives for workforce housing units, however, we do not have the framework in place
now. The zoning as Affordable Housing District could come into consideration.
Havea great weekend,
Mark Terry, AICP
Assistant Town Planning Director
Local Waterfront Revitalization Coordinator
Southold Town Hall Annex
4
54375 State Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
(631) -765-1938
5
Norklu0, Stacey
From: Noncarrow' Denis
Sent: Monday, June 17' 2O247:18AK4
To: Nork|un' Stacey
Subject: FVV: Traveler Street Project Sanitary Flow Credits
Same and thank you
Denis Noncorrow
Southold Town Clerk.
Town of Southold, New York
631-765-1800
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged
information. It is solely for the use of the intended renipient(s). Unauthorized interneptiun, review, use or disclosure is
prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the
intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.
From: Krupski, A|
Sent: Sunday,June 16, ZUZ48:4UAM
To: Doherty,]i|| "ji||.doherty@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Lanza, Heather<heather.|anza@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx;Terry, Mark
<mark.terry@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Smith, Anne<anne.smith@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Mealy, Brian
<brian.mea|y@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx
Cc: Cummings, Brian A. <brianzummin8s@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Cerezo, Mara <marac@southo|dtovvnny.8ovx;
Webster, Kevin <kevin.vvebster@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Schroeder, Gwynn <8vvynns@southo|dtovvnny.8ovx; DeChance,
Paul <pauld@southoldtownny.gov>; Noncarrow, Denis<denisn@southoldtownny.gov>; Rudder, Lynda
<|ynda.rudder@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx; Krupski, A| <a|k@tovvn.southo|d.ny.usx
Subject: Re:Traveler Street Project Sanitary Flow Credits
Thanks for the update,
Al
bet
From: Doherty,Jill
Sent: Friday,June 14, ZUZ47:U8:U7PM
To: Lanza, Heather Terry, Mark ; Smith,
Anne Mealy, Brian
Cc: Cummings, Brian A. Cenezo, Mara ;
Webster, Kevin Schroeder, Gwynn DeChanoe,
Paul <p � Noncarrovv Denis ; Rudder, Lynda
; Krupski, A|
Thank you
Jill Doherty
Southold Town Councilwoman
'
631-765-1889
From: Lanza, Heather
Sent: Friday,June 14, ZUZ44:Z9:U3PM
To: Doherty,Jill;Terry, Mark; Smith, Anne; Mealy, Brian
Cc: Cummings, Brian A.; Cerezo, Mara;Webster, Kevin;Schroeder, Gwynn; DeChance, Paul; Noncarrow, Denis; Rudder,
Lynda; Krupski, A|
Subject: RE:Traveler Street Project Sanitary Flow Credits
Yes, l see your point.
The application is one of the things we are correcting so it reflects the information required.
l can work oo that first sovvc can get ittn him sooner.
From: Doherty,Jill
Sent: Friday,June 14, ZUZ44:Z3PM
To: Lanza, Heather Terry, Mark ; Smith,
Anne Mealy, Brian
Cc: Cummings, Brian A. Cenezo, Mara ;
Webster, Kevin Schroeder, Gwynn DeChanoe,
Paul <p � Noncarrovv Denis ; Rudder, Lynda
; Krupski, A|
Subject: Re:Traveler Street Project Sanitary Flow Credits
Thanks Heather. In the mean time, I understand Mr. F. Needs to put a new application to the town board for this so we
can set the public hearing. Which will be weeks out. Shouldn't he get started with that while vve are working onthis.
Jill Doherty
Southold Town Councilwoman
631'765'1889
From: Lanza, Heather
Sent: Friday,June 14, ZUZ43:59:1UPM
To:Terry, Mark; Doherty,Jill; Smith, Anne; Mealy, Brian
Cc: Cummings, Brian A.; Cerezo, Mara;Webster, Kevin;Schroeder, Gwynn; DeChance, Paul; Noncarrow, Denis; Rudder,
Lynda; Krupski, A|
Subject: RE:Traveler Street Project Sanitary Flow Credits
Hello Everyone (l excluded Mr. Fcucrstcio from this chain, and added Gwynn, Paul, Denis & [xnnic),
With regard to sanitary flow credits and a new resolution for them, we need a couple weeks more before we can
do that.
2
Please keep in mind that we are in the middle of revamping our Sanitary Flow Credit bank and procedures to
comply with SC Health Dept's need to see the sending parcel(s) from which sanitary flow credits are issued.
We have been working on this for several weeks and expect to have it completed soon.
We will, however, need a couple more weeks before we can issue a Sanitary Flow Credit certificate, which is
what I believe the Health Department needs.
There are many requirements in the code and we are organizing those into a clear procedure so we can process
these quickly in the near future.
And we are making a map of the sending parcels so we can track their location, the receiving parcels to which
they send credits and the overall balance of credits in the bank. The Health Dept needs to track the locations of
sending and receiving.
We will be back to Town Board with these procedures after Paul and I and Town Clerk's office have gone over
them to make sure the system is feasible and we all know who will be expected to do what. At that time we will
also ask the Town Board to memorialize the price of the sanitary flow credits by resolution (all agreed to $0 for
affordable, and some undetermined value for commercial use).
This should not hold up this project as it seems there are a few other items in the site plan application that need
attention. Not huge things, but Brian can provide an overview of those to the applicant if he would like to get
this moving again.
These are all things we can get done so this project can get moving again.
Heather
From:Terry, Mark<mark:_tgrry@town.southold.ny.us>
Sent: Friday,June 14, 2024 12:11 PM
To:Todd Feuerstein (tc d_d( _h Eg.p com) <t : Doherty,Jill < il.doherty)town.southold.nyus>; Smith,
Anne«_n_n_g.sith(tn:sathcld ny•us>; Mealy, Brian < rin: I ( tpn:sc �athld:ny•us>
Cc: Lanza, Heather<heather:Inz ( tn scathcld:ny:�as>; Cummings, Brian A.
<brian.cummin s@town.southold.ny:Las>; Cerezo, Mara <maracC SOLAtholdto nny...ggvv>;Webster, Kevin
............................................................... ...............................
<kevi n....websterCtn:sc�uthol d.ny•us>
.................................................................._.
Subject:Traveler Street Project
Todd,
Thank you for the email and the concise questions; answers are embedded below.
From:Todd Feuerstein <tc ddC�2.b.E!cgp com>
Sent: Friday,June 7, 2024 10:59 AM
To:Terry, Mark<rn _rk tgrry( taa nesaa�athaaldeny•us>
Subject: RE: Meeting
Mark,
As follow up to our meeting, I would like to pursue the 2 phase idea that you suggested for the Traveler Street
Project. Phase 1-Conversion of the existing house to 2 affordable apartments, Phase 2-Completion of the new
3
construction in the rear of the property. Please tell me what is needed to get site plan approval for this plan so that we
can get to a building permit.
You can start rehabilitation of the existing house now. All we need is a letter to the
Planning Board requesting such. Check with Brian (631-765-1938) that all approvals
regarding the Historic District obligations have been received.
I believe that the point we reached in the past is that the planning board would not approve the site plan without full
health department approval, but the health department would not provide full approval without the actual transfer of
sanitary flow credits to the parcel, and the town would not transfer the sanitary flow credits to the parcel without site
plan approval. There must be a way for the site plan to be conditionally approved based upon the health department's
existing board of review decision, subject to final health department approval once the credits are transferred.
Our records show that a resolution setting the public hearing on the transfer of 15
Sanitary Flow Credits was withdrawn on SEPTEMBER 22, 2020. I recommend that you
contact Councilwoman Doherty or Smith (631-765-1889) to place the resolution setting the
public hearing back on. The new administration has tentatively agreed that the price is
"0" for sanitary flow credits. The price is set in the resolution so there is no need to wait.
We will work with you to ensure the sanitary flow credit certificate is granted so the
application can receive Health Dept approval prior to final site plan approval. This may
involve a conditional site plan approval. I will ask Brian what is exactly needed to receive
it and will get back to you.
I spoke to Councilwoman Doherty and Councilwoman Smith in a recent meeting and they
assured me that the Town Board is eager to move forward on your request for credits.
Additionally, here is a summary of the other open items that we discussed at the meeting that would need to be
addressed:
1) Code language regarding preference for first responders being expanded to all of Suffolk County was changed in the
new code section regarding the transfer tax funds, but was not changed in the AHD section of the code. This language
should be consistent.
We agree and this will be brought to a Code Committee meeting and changes are
expected.
As we discussed, it would be beneficial to designate 20 percent of the unit build to persons
providing firematic protection, emergency medical or ambulance services. The Town
would alert those on the list that the units are available six months before CO issuance
and meet all other notice obligations.
Since the parcel is zoned AHD, any units that are constructed would require a lottery
system for eligible applicants. Is this a concern for your current tenants?
2)Affordable rental rates-Town Code 280-30-F "The pricing structure for rental properties must not exceed the rent
4
limits as established by the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program.The Town Board may, at its
discretion, impose restrictions regarding rentals."
We do not use the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program; we use
HUD — this section of the code will be discussed as a Code Committee and proposed to be
struck.
There are 2 issues with this language.
a) I have not been able to locate the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program. As far as I am aware,
the Suffolk County programs related to affordable/workforce housing all reference HUD-established FMRs and income
levels. Is it possible that this language in the town code referencing "Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities
Program" is no longer valid? If this is a valid program and I'm just missing it, please direct me to see where these rates
are published.
It is no longer valid.
b) Historically the rates set by the town board each year have been equal to the published HUD-established FMRs. Even
if we assume that the "rent limits as established by the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program" are
equal to the HUD-established FMRs, the current language in the code gives the town board discretion to set rental rates
at any number equal to or less than those rates. I believe that the code section needs to be changed so that the rates
are set at this published benchmark, rather than left up to whim of future town boards on an annual basis. Under the
existing language, a future town board could theoretically set rents at$1 per month which would obviously make it
economically impossible to build units under this program. To be clear, I am not looking to change the way that the
rates have been set historically, I'm only interested in making sure that the process is consistent going forward. This is
necessary so that the income from the property keeps pace with inflation as the expenses will.
The Planning Board can discuss with the Town Board a condition that allows the rates to
increase but not fall below a certain amount or potentially change the Town code so it ties
the rental rates more definitively with a benchmark and isn't open-ended. The condition
could be in the Resolution and a C&R filed with Suffolk County.
3) Cost of wastewater credits-The town has never provided me with a number for the cost of purchasing wastewater
credits. In the context of the town trying to support the construction of affordable units, I believe that the cost should
be as close to zero as possible.
They are projected to be "0".
4) Grants-What types of grants or other funds are available from Southold Town for the 2 phase plan outlined above?
We are currently working on a subsidy per unit with Town funding. This is direct
negotiation with the Town Board. A low interest loan is also an option as a public private
partnership. The loan funding may be used for construction of a sanitary system.
5) Property tax-The property is currently taxed at the regular rate for a single family, market-rate home which is roughly
$7,000 per year. Vineyard View's current property tax bill for a 50-unit completed project is$6,814. 1 would like to see
the project taxed consistent with the way that Vineyard View is being taxed.
5
Please speak to Kevin Webster, Tax Assessor (631-765-1937). The Town is exploring tax
incentives for workforce housing units, however, we do not have the framework in place
now. The zoning as Affordable Housing District could come into consideration.
Havea great weekend,
Mark Terry, AICP
Assistant Town Planning Director
Local Waterfront Revitalization Coordinator
Southold Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
(631) -765-1938
6