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1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK
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TOWN BOARD
4 REGULAR BOARD MEETING
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Southold, New York
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April 9, 2024
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15 B E F 0 R E :
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17 ALBERT KRUPSKI JR, SUPERVISOR
18 LOUISA P . EVANS , JUSTICE
19 JILL DOHERTY, COUNCILWOMAN
20 BRIAN 0 . MEALY, COUNCILMAN
21 GREG DOROSKI , COUNCILMAN
22 ANNE H . SMITH, COUNCILWOMAN
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1 PUBLIC COMMENTS
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So
3 would anyone like to comment on any
4 agenda item before we start?
5 ANNE MURRAY : I ' d like to comment
6 on the proposed moratorium, that ' s on
7 the agenda . My name is Anne Murray, I
8 live in East Marion . I ' m here as the
9 Land Use Coordinator in Southold for the
10 North Fork Environmental Council . I
11 commend you for thinking about a
12 moratorium, but as I ' ve said before, we
13 believe that the whole Town needs to
14 take a break . And the best time to do
15 it is while you ' re undergoing this
16 zoning review with the Zoning Committee .
17 And I think -- I know there ' s been some
18 talk of businesses freaking out and
19 considering lawsuits and all that kind
20 of thing, but you know what? I ' ve
21 looked at the law, and I ' m not a lawyer,
22 but New York State is pretty good about
23 allowing municipalities the legal right
24 to have a moratorium. And don ' t be
25 afraid of lawsuits . I mean, people make
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1 a lot of noise sometimes . That doesn ' t
2 mean they ' re going to win . And we know
3 that Brinkman ' s didn ' t win when they
4 tried to sue the Town . So please keep
5 that in mind because I think a lot of
6 residents are really worried now . And
7 if you if you take a bird ' s eye view --
8 like look at that beautiful map of all
9 the preserved land in Southold Town
10 that ' s on our website . Okay . Look at
11 all the land that ' s not preserved in
12 there? And think about who owns all
13 these big parcels that aren ' t preserved .
14 And do you know that even though we had
15 a Big House Law passed, that some
16 billionaires who own those big parcels
17 could build like an ira rennet size
18 house on those parcels if we don ' t do
19 something about zoning . So, you know,
20 there ' s a lot of outside money that ' s
21 come into this Town in the past , you
22 know five years . Don ' t let them control
23 what we do here . You know, the
24 residents really care . They want to be
25 heard on this . And I think if you
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1 notice a public hearing on this , you ' re
2 going to have a lot more people than the
3 business community coming out to, you
4 know, make sure we still have community
5 character in Southold Town . Thank you .
6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
7 you, Anne . Anyone else like to speak?
8 Yes , sir . And before you speak, I just
9 want to just let people know, Anne , you
10 mentioned the zoning maps . So we have
11 the physical maps here , right across
12 from the Town Clerk ' s Office in that
13 meeting room if anyone wants to go and
14 take a look . It ' s the zoning map . It ' s
15 a halo map and then there ' s the
16 protected land use map . That ' s brand
17 new . Hot off the presses . That ' s
18 hanging on the wall . Also on the Town ' s
19 website you can reference those . So you
20 can get an idea if you want to of what ' s
21 been done or what needs to be done left .
22 So, but thank you for mentioning that .
23 Yes , sir .
24 DAVID LEVY : David Levy . I live in
25 Laurel . And I just have a question
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1 about the very same item that the
2 general lady was speaking about . The
3 moratorium on hotels , do we think -- and
4 I can ' t answer this because I don ' t know
5 what stage the application is in . But ,
6 do we think that The Enclaves is going
7 to be to get caught in this net?
8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No,
9 that ' s been approved already .
10 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Yeah,
11 they have building permits and
12 everything .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That
14 horse has left the barn .
15 DAVID LEVY : By the way, I ' m not
16 suggesting that we pick this fight .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No .
18 DAVID LEVY : That ' s not necessarily
19 enough . Because you can revoke the
20 permits as long as they haven ' t put a
21 shovel in the ground is my understanding
22 of state law . I ' m not certain that ' s
23 correct , but you should look into it .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well ,
25 thank you . We see our attorney writing
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1 there in the end . So we --
2 DAVID LEVY : Sorry .
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : But
4 Thank you .
5 DAVID LEVY : I do have other
6 things , but it involves an item -- it
7 involves something that ' s not on the
8 calendar . So with your permission, I ' ll
9 come back later .
10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Sure .
11 Absolutely . Thank you . As far as the
12 two comments about the moratorium, we
13 are going to have a Special Meeting next
14 Tuesday to explore that further .
15 DAVID LEVY : Thank you .
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
17 you . Yes , sir .
18 ALEXANDER PARROS : Hi . How are
19 you? Good evening, everyone . So thank
20 you for giving me the opportunity to
21 address you tonight . My name is
22 Alexander Parros , and I am the
23 proprietor of Silver Sands in Greenport .
24 My wife and I have proudly called
25 Southold home for the past decade .
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1 Almost exactly two years ago , on April
2 13 , 2022 , I took on the stewardship of
3 Silver Sands . And that ' s a property
4 that ' s deeply intertwined with the
5 fabric of the North Fork community .
6 Silver Sands is not just a motel . It ' s
7 a testament to our town ' s history and
8 character . It ' s spanning nearly 45
9 acres . It includes an 18 acre salt
10 marsh and a 15 acre riparian lot in
11 Pipes Cove , which is currently a
12 thriving oyster farm. The original
13 Silver Sands Motel and Restaurant
14 building, with its classic neon sign,
15 was established in 1957 and remains an
16 iconic symbol of the area ' s heritage .
17 The boathouse on the far west side of
18 the property is believed to be the
19 oldest building in the neighborhood .
20 It ' s nearly 100 years old . Since the
21 late 1970 ' s it ' s been home to the
22 original Porkies Bar, which is now the
23 Lynn Beach House and Greenport . The
24 eight white cottages on the property
25 were built in 1930 and originally part
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1 of a business that was called the
2 Silvermore Beach Houses . The salt marsh
3 is part of the iconic estuary system,
4 which the Nature Conservancy has cited
5 as one of the " last great places in the
6 western hemisphere . " To describe Silver
7 Sands as a special place is an
8 understatement . It is a cherished gem
9 that embodies our shared history and
10 values . And I can tell you that not
11 just myself, but everybody who works
12 there takes pride in preserving and
13 protecting its spirit . When we acquired
14 Silver Sands two years ago, we faced a
15 pivotal crossroads . We could either
16 demolish and rebuild the luxury resort
17 or honor its rich history . Despite
18 lucrative offers for extensive
19 development, we steadfastly chose the
20 latter path . Outside groups wanted to
21 transform the property with over 88
22 rooms , a lavish spa, and to replace the
23 oyster farm with a marina and a place
24 for sea planes to bring in urban
25 tourists . However, for us , the decision
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1 was unequivocal . Even if it was the
2 harder path . We were resolute in our
3 commitment to preserving the property ' s
4 unique character and establishing a year
5 round business deeply integrated within
6 the community . Rather than one that
7 merely exploits it during the bustling
8 summer months . Our choice was deeply
9 influenced by our profound respect for
10 the community, which has been nurtured
11 over the past decade . This period
12 afforded me first hand appreciation for
13 the owner-operated businesses that
14 formed the bedrock of this vibrant
15 community . Inspiring us to invest in
16 and operate Silver Sands with a sense of
17 duty and kinship towards our neighbors .
18 In the off-season, we have as many as 25
19 employees . Full-time employees . And
20 900 of them live in the Town of
21 Southold . Emphasizing our commitment to
22 the local community . A blanket
23 moratorium that encompasses any type of
24 construction on all hotel applications
25 threatens the viability of
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1 establishments like ours to survive .
2 It ' s essential to recognize the unique
3 circumstances of longstanding businesses
4 and exempt them from such sweeping and
5 overly broad measures . If we were to be
6 unnecessarily caught in a moratorium or
7 prolonged uncertainty, then our business
8 model of seeking to operate year round
9 will be threatened . We will not be able
10 to make enough money in the Summer to
11 justify being open in the Winter . The
12 result of such a broad moratorium would
13 force us into becoming exactly what the
14 Town and the community opposes , highly
15 seasonal operations , or worse, an
16 exclusive high-end enclave . Akin to the
17 concerns in the Hampton ' s and even the
18 North Fork now . This would involve a
19 seasonal business model that ' s limited
20 to the peak Summer months only, inflated
21 prices , and a near total reliance on out
22 of town workers and J- 1 Visas . You
23 don ' t have to look far and wide to see
24 how many other businesses in the area
25 have already chosen this path . Our
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1 outstanding applications in front of the
2 Zoning and Planning Boards focus on
3 updating existing structures . Not
4 introducing any new developments or
5 expansions . We have diligently worked
6 with the Town departments for the last
7 two years to rectify decades of
8 incomplete property records . So we can
9 continue the Silver Sands legacy . Do
10 not let the great work we have
11 accomplished together so far unravel and
12 force us to become the problem that no
13 one wants . Silver Sands is not just a
14 business , it ' s a hub . The overwhelming
15 support for our pending applications
16 from 1000 of our neighbors in the wider
17 community . I have 200 letters from the
18 wider community, including 1000 of the
19 neighbors of Silver Sands . I lost my
20 place . It underscores the deep rooted
21 connection Silver Sands has with the
22 residents of Southold . And why is that?
23 We are not driven by financial
24 engineering . We are not driven by
25 corporate sameness . We are owner
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1 operators . We are skippers , as Pat
2 Nelson, our friend and neighbor, likes
3 to call us . And anyone who can find me
4 or Allie Tuthill , Chris Dunn, Kimberley
5 Reinhardt, Melissa Corwin, Cheo Avila,
6 or any other number of familiar local
7 faces working there every single day .
8 As I understand it, the stated intent of
9 the previous moratorium is to manage the
10 " considerable pressure " for the
11 development of new resorts , motels , and
12 hotels . This is an earnest goal that
13 aligns with the Town ' s need for
14 effective tools to regulate new
15 developments . A targeted moratorium to
16 address this concern is perhaps
17 warranted; however, I urge each of you
18 to consider the adverse effects of a
19 blanket moratorium on established
20 businesses like Silver Sands . We
21 demonstrated our commitment to
22 preserving our Town ' s heritage while
23 navigating regulatory processes
24 diligently . We are not asking for
25 handouts , tax breaks , or special
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1 treatment . Only a fair and transparent
2 process where the rules don ' t change in
3 the middle of the game . We take an
4 enormous amount of pride in our work in
5 being a part of this community . We have
6 shared good momentum in reclaiming the
7 history and iconic stature of Silver
8 Sands , and it would be tragic and
9 sourful if we were prevented from seeing
10 it through . Please do not enact such a
11 broad and all encompassing moratorium .
12 Thank you .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
14 you .
15 PHIL MASTRANGELO : My name is Phil
16 Mastrangelo . I live in Orient . I ' m one
17 of the owners and operators of the
18 Oysterpond Shellfish Company . I ' m here
19 to speak on behalf of Silver Sands .
20 Ryan Tuthill back there is my partner
21 here . I don ' t know, fifth generation
22 oyster farmer out here . We currently
23 are the largest oyster growing company
24 in New York State, and one of the
25 largest in the region . We have a lot of
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1 -- we have about three million oysters
2 in Pipes Cove right now . And quick
3 story, in 2017 We were looking to
4 expand . And Edgar Xenia the previous
5 owner of Silver Sands approached us to
6 do to farm oysters on Pipes Cove, the
7 oyster grant that he owns there is 15
8 acres . It was a godsend for us . And
9 every time we would be out there, Ed
10 would walk the beach, we ' d come in . You
11 know, give him oysters . And he would
12 tell us about how much he wanted to
13 restore the hotel , but he just couldn ' t
14 do it . He was getting older, and didn ' t
15 have the funds to do it . But at one
16 time , Ed ( inaudible ) ended up going to
17 the beach . Pipes Cove Oyster was
18 ubiquitous throughout the New York City
19 restaurant world . Most recognizable
20 oyster name on the East End . Wherever I
21 go in the North Fork today, people who
22 knew Ed, thank me for continuing that
23 tradition . Today, there are over 500
24 cages deployed on the bottom in Pipes
25 Cove . We use a troll line system. Mr .
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1 Supervisor has seen our operation . You
2 can ' t see anything . Floating on it .
3 Didn ' t know it was there . And there are
4 over two million oysters there that
5 filter close to 100 million gallons of
6 water every day . The cages on the
7 bottom have created a reef that is home
8 to numerous species of finfish, crabs ,
9 and in the last three years , something
10 incredible , a robust seahorse
11 population . We send pictures of them to
12 Cornell , and they absolutely love it .
13 Really -- they ' re kind of like the most
14 fragile part of that ecosystem. They
15 need the shelter . They need what we ' re
16 providing for them to thrive . And the
17 Cornell Marine Extension is planning a
18 joint venture with Silver Sands and
19 Oysterpond Shellfish Company to assess
20 the environmental impact the oyster reef
21 is having on the Pipes Cove area and
22 implementing new ways to extend the
23 positive environmental effects of
24 raising shellfish there . About my
25 history with Alex, and his partner Ryan
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1 Hardy . When I met them, they were eager
2 to pick my brain about the oyster farm.
3 They told me that they were restoring
4 the property, not rebuilding it . And it
5 was exactly what Ed had said he wanted
6 to do . And -- and they wanted to
7 include the Oyster Farm as part of the
8 storybook behind the iconic hotel and
9 its restoration, a legacy that Ed had
10 built . I ' ve witnessed firsthand the
11 people that drive up and seek out Alex
12 and Ryan . And it ' s crazy sometimes ,
13 because some of these people are nuts .
14 But just to thank them for restoring it
15 exactly as it was back in the day . And
16 literally hundreds of folks stopping to
17 tell their story of how back in the
18 60 ' s , their parents would bring them out
19 from the City for a week to this
20 incredibly pristine place . And how they
21 now, they brought their kids there . And
22 how they ' re now bringing their grand
23 kids there . And how incredibly grateful
24 they are to Alex and Ryan for not being
25 seasonal and not building out the
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1 property to maximize profits . We would
2 sit, Ryan and I , like people running
3 down the beach . It is nuts . But in
4 Greenport now, I see and deal with
5 seasonal businesses . Run by folks that
6 do not have the best interests of the
7 community in mind . They come for five
8 months , and they squeeze every dollar
9 they can out of us . I ' m still waiting
10 to be paid for bills that a lot of these
11 folks have incurred and they disappear .
12 And the seasonal businesses bring in
13 management from other states . Ignoring
14 the local population and when it comes
15 to these upper level , high paying,
16 full-time jobs . They have no concern
17 for our environment , our roads , our
18 lives as full-time residents , our
19 schools , our children, beyond paying the
20 minimum wage for an experience -- a work
21 experience they ' d all rather forget . My
22 wife ' s a substitute teacher in the local
23 schools here . We go in there for dinner
24 and they ' re the kids on the weekends and
25 they ' re the kids you just saw in the
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1 school working there . And they all love
2 it . And they ' re all having a great
3 experience , and they ' re actually
4 learning something . Alex and Ryan have
5 been sensitive to all of the community ' s
6 needs almost to their detriment . Year
7 round I can go into Silver Sands and be
8 greeted by the people I saw the night
9 before at the school board meeting or
10 sit down at dinner next to the person I
11 see at the IGA every time I ' m there .
12 People from our community who just want
13 to relax and have a great meal without
14 being assaulted by loud overbearing club
15 music and left penniless by an under
16 whelming experience . We don ' t want to
17 wait in a 45 minute queue to pay $25
18 bucks to go in and be roughed around by
19 rude people . That goes on here , a lot
20 by these seasonal businesses . And I
21 think reading the moratorium language ,
22 and I ' ve just been through it once , it
23 was enough . But it ' s , you ' re
24 encouraging seasonal businesses and it ' s
25 wrong for the community . I am in total
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1 agreement with you on the temporary halt
2 on any new hotel construction that is ,
3 Number One , not open year round . Number
4 two, that does not employ at least 600
5 of its staff from within our community .
6 Folks have a bad track record, you know
7 that . We ' ve been approached -- the
8 Oyster Company ' s been approached by
9 numerous hospitality groups that are
10 taking over buildings or taking over,
11 you know, tearing down buildings .
12 Building up new stuff . And they really
13 have no idea what this community is
14 about . And I feel like Alex and Ryan
15 really understand it and really
16 appreciate it , and bend over backwards
17 for Brian and I , and our company to help
18 us . And they ' ve been nothing but
19 helpful to the Cornell folks as well .
20 And open and welcoming to them. I hope
21 you will reconsider calling the Silver
22 Sands a new construction project, which
23 it is clearly not, and allow them to
24 continue the great work that they have
25 started by completely restoring the
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1 hotel to its original state . They have
2 been incredibly supportive of Brian and
3 I , and our employees who 100o all live
4 in our community, with their families .
5 And Alex and Ryan and their staff are
6 highly regarded by so many people from
7 our community, who recognize that they
8 are picking up where Ed and his family
9 left off, and continuing the legacy that
10 they left behind . Thank you .
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
12 you .
13 FRANK ZORY : Members of the Board .
14 My name is Frank Zory . I live in New
15 Suffolk . I ' m presently the Commander of
16 the U . S . Coast Guard Auxiliary, Flotilla
17 14 Division 18 .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Excuse
19 me . Is this anything to do with the
20 agenda, though, because we have regular
21 comments , general comments after the
22 meeting .
23 FRANK ZORY : After?
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yeah .
25 This is just for comments on the agenda .
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1 Thank you . Sorry about that . Go ahead,
2 Brian .
3 BRIAN TUTHILL : Good evening,
4 everyone . My name is Brian Tuthill . I ' m
5 also an owner-operator of Oysterpond
6 Shellfish Company, and I ' ve been farming
7 oysters on the motels under water land
8 now for about six years . Two years ago,
9 when the hotel ownership changed, I
10 feared exactly what Alex was talking
11 about with a big business moving in .
12 Would a big real estate investor
13 actually want us out there? Would they
14 care about what we ' re doing in the rich
15 maritime history? Those 15 acres of
16 underwater land are tied to? I don ' t
17 think so . I ' m proud to say my great
18 grandfather was a captain of a Greenport
19 Oyster boat, I believe in the ' 40 ' s and
20 ' 50 ' s , and I ' m closely following in his
21 footsteps . From the moment I met Alex
22 and his partner Ryan, they assured me
23 that our presence on that oyster grant
24 would remain at the heart of the motel ' s
25 identity, and that the story of Pipes
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1 Cove oysters would live on . Throughout
2 the entire restoration process , every
3 decision that they ' ve made has been
4 revolved around protecting the health of
5 this very delicate marine ecosystem.
6 Fast forward two years , and they ' ve been
7 a man of their word . If you ' re on the
8 property in the dead of Winter, ordering
9 an oyster chowder, or down by the beach
10 bar ordering a half a dozen . It ' s very
11 easy to find yourself in deep
12 conversation with staff . Learning about
13 the unique oyster history Greenport has
14 and how Silver Sands is continuing that
15 story . They ' ve proven to be perfect
16 stewards for this property . And what
17 does the Town gain from halting their
18 progress? That ' s my question . Thank
19 you .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
21 you . Would anyone else like to speak of
22 any item that ' s on the agenda?
23 GEORGE MAUL : Good evening . My
24 name is George Maul . I ' m a Treasurer of
25 the New Suffolk Civic Association . I ' m
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1 a member of the North Fork Civics . I ' d
2 like to say that I believe all the
3 residents of the Town of Southold
4 support our local businesses , endorse
5 their year round operation, and
6 encourage and thank them for their hard
7 work . At a recent meeting of the Zoning
8 forum at Southold, I was speaking to
9 Leslie Weisman and Mark Terry about the
10 Special Exception Clause in the Town
11 Code that talks about how community
12 character is one reason for not granting
13 a Special Exception . And I asked
14 Leslie, why is it that in so many
15 projects Special Exceptions are granted
16 when they seem to adversely affect the
17 Town ' s community character, the
18 operation of the surrounding area, and
19 don ' t really seem to benefit , you know,
20 the residents in any way, shape , or
21 form? And she told me that the reason
22 why that occurs is because they don ' t
23 want to change precedence , and they ' re
24 concerned about lawsuits . And Mark
25 Terry told me the reason why is because
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1 there are real estate companies on the
2 Planning Board -- I mean on the Zoning
3 Board . So those are the two answers
4 that I got . And I think that we have a
5 new administration . We have a
6 Comprehensive Plan that I don ' t want to
7 call it new, because it ' s been around
8 for a long time, but it was approved
9 just a few years ago . And it ' s a
10 perfect opportunity to set a new
11 precedent, to have bold leadership, and
12 realize that community character is more
13 important than granting Special
14 Exceptions to businesses because we ' re
15 afraid we might be sued by them . I
16 think that , you know, the whole zoning
17 update process , the moratorium, you
18 know, is in good faith . And I think
19 that , you know, we have a responsibility
20 to realize that the residents of the
21 Town of Southold are looking at the
22 future and seeing that we want
23 businesses here to thrive , but we also
24 want to be able to drive on the roads .
25 We also want to be able to enjoy living
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1 here . And we need the Town to have bold
2 leadership and look at these problems in
3 a way that leads to solutions . Not to
4 just the same old, okay, we ' ll just
5 slide on through, and see what we can
6 do . So I think that -- I don ' t think
7 there ' s any adversarial relationship
8 between the residents and the businesses
9 in the Town of Southold . But we have
10 hard problems to solve , and it ' s not an
11 easy process . And I don ' t think it ' s
12 going to be accomplished quickly and
13 easily, but we need leadership in order
14 to accomplish these solutions . Thank
15 you very much .
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
17 you .
18 Is there anyone else in the
19 audience that would like to address the
20 Board about an agenda item? Otherwise,
21 we have someone on Zoom. Go right
22 ahead, sir .
23 DAN PENNESSI : Good evening . I am
24 sorry that I can ' t attend today ' s
25 meeting in person . Good evening,
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1 Supervisor Krupski and other members of
2 the Town Board . I ' m here on behalf of
3 North Road Hotel , LLC . It is an entity
4 that my wife, Kristen, and I own . And
5 we own and run Hotel Moraine , which is
6 the former Sunset Motel at 62005 Route
7 48 in Greenport . Making these
8 comments -- and I ' m going to start very
9 broad and then narrow it down a bit . On
10 the broader basis , the Sunset Motel has
11 operated in that location since roughly
12 1960 . It ' s been operating as a motel
13 for roughly 64 years . And we ' ve
14 recently undertaken a redevelopment
15 project to , among other things , bring
16 the buildings up to code . Our crowning
17 achievement, I think, is retiring a
18 1960 ' s era septic system on the bluff of
19 the Long Island Sound, which included
20 construction of a sewer pump station,
21 and a connection agreement with the
22 village of Greenport, a public sewer
23 system. So having received public water
24 and public sewer, we ' re going ahead and
25 we have pending site plan applications
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1 with the Planning Board and a pending
2 application with the Zoning Board to
3 expand the number of units on the site .
4 And I would encourage the Town Board to
5 take a harder look and reconsider the
6 proposed Local Law to impose an interim
7 or temporary suspension on hotels and
8 motels . The reason that I think this is
9 the case is that it ' s unnecessary --
10 it ' s an unnecessary action by the Town
11 Board, given that the Town is not facing
12 an increase in development pressure from
13 this particular use . The Town ' s boards
14 and departments have exhibited the
15 requisite hard look is taken for each
16 and every application before it , and
17 focus should be on preserving and
18 redeveloping or developing single and
19 multifamily housing in order to ease the
20 housing crisis on the North Fork . I
21 have some anecdotal evidence I ' d like to
22 read into the record, and we ' ll be
23 submitting a letter after tonight
24 meeting, but a review of that data
25 should be reviewed in determining
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1 whether a moratorium is warranted . And
2 a moratorium on hotels is inconsistent
3 with the foregoing . And in fact serves
4 to increase pressure on housing . Focus
5 should be paid to increasing hotel/motel
6 density where public sewer and water are
7 available and enforcing short-term
8 rental laws . As of the date of this
9 meeting, the number of rentals available
10 on Airbnb in the Town of Southold totals
11 210 , and in Greenport Village totals 170
12 for a total of 380 listings . Many of
13 which are private residences , and do not
14 have replicable permits . The Town has
15 issued over 1 , 000 rental permits since
16 its inception of the rental permit
17 program . I ' m told approximately 750 of
18 those permits have been renewed as of
19 this year . You have to consider that
20 the number of hotel and motel rooms in
21 the Town of Southold totals
22 approximately 274 . That excludes the
23 enclaves 44 units in our proposed 14
24 unit expansion and excludes bed and
25 breakfasts . In the Village of
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1 Greenport, there are approximately 142
2 rooms . So you ' re talking about just
3 over 400 hotel rooms versus 380
4 short-term rental listings between
5 Southold and the Village of Greenport .
6 Notably, of those 416 hotel rooms , only
7 198 of them exist within the Town ' s
8 Resort Residential District . And the
9 letter that we submit will exhibit where
10 those districts are located, the parcels
11 that are the subject of that zoning
12 district, and why most of those parcels
13 are in fact restricted by development
14 pressures , whether it be proximity to
15 wetlands , proximity to the bluff or the
16 size of those lots . What you will find
17 is that the right place for hotel and
18 motel development is where Silver Sands
19 is located, is where the Hotel Moraine
20 is located . And in fact, the zoning --
21 the Town ' s zoning consultant , Zonco,
22 said in its September 20 , 2023 report ,
23 that the district is only mapped at 83
24 acres out of Southold ' s 33 , 000 plus .
25 And it appears to achieve the desired
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1 purposes for certain unique waterfront
2 development patterns in the town . So
3 we ' ll be submitting a letter that
4 details all of the lots within the
5 Town ' s Resort Residential Zoning
6 Districts . The purpose of that district
7 is to provide opportunity for resort
8 development in waterfront areas and
9 other appropriate areas because of the
10 availability of water and/or sewers more
11 intense development may occur .
12 Consistent with the density and
13 character of surrounding lands . As for
14 the Sunset Motel , this property as I
15 said operated for in excess of 60 years
16 in this location . It was very proximate
17 to an existing Greenport Sewer District,
18 VSDO1 . We undertook not only a large
19 redevelopment of the site after
20 acquisition from the Levin Family, but
21 we updated all of the buildings to
22 current zoning codes . We consolidated
23 the units into two buildings to become
24 more energy efficient . We opened up
25 view sheds , given the design of the
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1 buildings and included landscape and
2 other buffers in order to mitigate
3 possible factors to adjoining
4 residential homes and cliffside to our
5 west . We look forward to working with
6 the Town to expand these uses . And at
7 first we want the Town Board to
8 reconsider imposing this development at
9 all . And in second, we would ask that
10 our pending applications be excluded
11 from any such moratorium. Thank you
12 very much .
13 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
14 you for your comments , and we will
15 consider these and other comments . Next
16 Tuesday, we ' re having a Special Board
17 Meeting to address a moratorium of this
18 sort and what conditions that would be
19 imposed by it . And then that meeting
20 would result in a possible -- at the
21 next meeting in two weeks , a possible
22 setting of a date for a Public Hearing
23 for a moratorium . That would be the
24 schedule for that . So I just want to
25 acknowledge Council member Louisa Evans
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1 on -- from Fisher ' s Island is with us ,
2 you know, for the whole meeting . Go
3 ahead, Jill .
4 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I just
5 wanted to add to , and we had a
6 discussion and work session today . We
7 had a lot of the same concerns that you
8 spoke of, and it ' s difficult to figure
9 out what we draw the lines , but we ' re
10 determined to figure that out . So it
11 could be fair, and so we can get the
12 important work done that the Town needs
13 to get done, and you can still run your
14 business . So we ' re cognizant of all the
15 things you said . I don ' t know where
16 we ' re going to end up, but we ' ll decide,
17 like the Supervisor said, and in two
18 weeks we ' ll probably set the hearing .
19 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
20 right, if there ' s no other comment ,
21 we ' ll start the meeting .
22 (Whereupon, the meeting continued
23 on to Resolutions . )
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
25 right then . That concludes the regular
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1 agenda . Is there anyone that would like
2 to address the Board with any item?
3 FRANK ZORY : Okay . Thank you .
4 I ' ll just repeat that . I didn ' t do that
5 much . My name is Frank Zory . Live in
6 New Suffolk for a long time . I ' m
7 currently the commander of the Coast
8 Guard Division 18 , Flotilla 14 , and our
9 POR is from the -- entire Peconic, from
10 Riverhead over to Orient Point . And
11 also in Long Island Sound to Orient
12 Point . And Elizabeth Downs , my PA
13 Officer, she has an idea or a
14 proclamation that she would like to
15 present to you . Here she is .
16 ELIZABETH DOWNS : Thank you very
17 much . The proclamation was something
18 that I discussed with Supervisor
19 Krupski , and I ' d just like to read a few
20 items here prior to that . For over 100
21 million Americans , boating continues to
22 be a popular recreation activity . This
23 is so true in our region, with
24 watercraft use increasing at a rapid
25 pace . As people take to the water and
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1 enjoy boating, sailing, paddling, jet
2 skiing and fishing, as well as , other
3 water related activities , we find that
4 there also is a great increase in
5 accidents and people encountering
6 hazardous situations . The United States
7 Coast Guard designates the third week in
8 May for a National Safe Boating Week,
9 commonly seen as NSBW . As a local
10 auxiliary, we will participate in this
11 event in our Flotilla locales . Whereas ,
12 Flotilla 1808 will emphasize to the
13 public, be safe . Take the use of safety
14 equipment safe seriously . Stay alert
15 for unexpected changes in weather
16 conditions . Be prepared when boating
17 after dusk with proper lights . Know the
18 effects of alcohol consumption while out
19 on the water . Education . We encourage
20 all boaters to attend the boating safety
21 course and be aware of Breanna ' s Law
22 coming into effect in 2025 . Vessel
23 safety checks are provided by the United
24 States Coast Guard Auxiliary as a free
25 service to ensure boaters have all
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1 required gear on their vessel . As you
2 all are aware , water related rescues
3 impact our volunteers from our fire
4 departments , EMT ' s , and officers in the
5 police department . At times ,
6 helicopters are required to assist and
7 hospital care needed following rescues .
8 We deeply care about our residents and
9 visitors who really only want to enjoy
10 their outings with their family and
11 friends , yet we truly see the need for
12 community awareness regarding their
13 safety . Therefore, we in Flotilla 1808 ,
14 as a means to support the United States
15 Coast Guard, request a proclamation to
16 declare May 18th through May 24 , 2024 ,
17 as National Safe Boating Week in the
18 Town of Southold . We will have some
19 events . We have one planned underway
20 for Greenport at Mitchell Park on May
21 18th, and we will -- we ' re in the
22 process of planning other things as
23 well .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
25 you .
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1 ELIZABETH DOWNS : I have copies of
2 the letter I just read to you . And I
3 also have a flyer . Would you like me
4 to --
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes ,
6 please . We could give them to the
7 clerk . Thank you . Thank you for your
8 service to --
9 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : And thanks
10 so much . Thank you . Thank you .
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
12 you .
13 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Thank
14 you for coming and making this , you
15 know, make more people aware of it .
16 I ' ve been boating all my life . And it ' s
17 -- I ' ve had my boating license since I
18 was 10 and I re-upped it when I had my
19 kids do it . And it ' s part of boating is
20 the safety and the knowledge of how to
21 operate a boat . It ' s not a car . It ' s a
22 boat . So we have to talk about it more
23 and make it more aware . And in the
24 surroundings that we ' re -- I mean we ' re
25 surrounded by water .
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1 ELIZABETH DOWNS : ( Inaudible ) .
2 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Right .
3 And that ' s yeah -- and that ' s the scary
4 part .
5 ELIZABETH DOWNS : Yes . And I want
6 to really thank you for your generous
7 support to the Coast Guard Auxiliary .
8 It ' s very important to us .
9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
10 Thanks for coming tonight . Sir?
11 DAVID LEVY : Once again, David Levy
12 from Laurel . It ' s been a couple of
13 months since I ' ve been to a Town Board
14 meeting . This is certainly the first one
15 I ' ve been to under the new
16 administration . So I want to at least
17 begin by wishing you, Supervisor and
18 you, Councilwoman, good luck in your
19 terms .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
21 you .
22 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Thank
23 you .
24 DAVID LEVY : Last week, we marked
25 the first anniversary of the Town ' s
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1 collecting a community affordable
2 housing tax on the sales of real estate .
3 And I mention it because the last time I
4 spoke to the Town Board about this , I
5 took the position that the Board had not
6 adopted the plan that is required to be
7 adopted before those monies are
8 collected . And I say that because the
9 Town did adopt an 84 page document that
10 had a bunch of statistics . And some
11 recommendations from a committee, but
12 nothing that a traditional plan would
13 include . And I asked a series of
14 questions on the night the plan was
15 adopted . And I was told that I was
16 concerning myself with details that
17 would be worked out later . Now six
18 months later, I ' m here to find out if
19 we ' ve made any progress with respect to
20 those details ? And I will tell you, I
21 characterized at the Town Board Meeting
22 at which you adopted that document , I
23 characterized it as a plan to make a
24 plan . And privately, several members of
25 that Board, and I ' m not going to
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1 embarrass anybody, told me privately
2 that I was right , but that they just
3 wanted to get it done . In any way, feel ,
4 said, make it really general , this is
5 general . Doesn ' t include any of the
6 elements that you would expect the plan
7 to include . I asked last time who
8 ultimately was going to decide who
9 benefited from the fund? And all the
10 councilmen looked at each other, and
11 nobody had an answer . And Councilwoman
12 Doherty said we are . Is that really the
13 answer? Is this Town Board going to pick
14 in chose from among applications? And
15 where does it say that?
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well , I
17 can tell you that we have had many
18 discussions about how to spend the money
19 that we are now collecting . This is the
20 second part of money that we have to
21 help facilitate affordable housing . We
22 had -- the meet at the work session
23 today . We ' re talking about sanitary flow
24 credits , which could help also
25 facilitate some affordable housing . At
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1 all the meetings that the Planning
2 Department has held with the community,
3 both the civics and the business
4 community, there ' s been a lot of
5 interest in workforce housing . There are
6 no specifics yet on who ' s going to
7 benefit from this money, except that I
8 really think that a lot of what the
9 previous Town Board had said will come
10 true , that any efforts -- any money
11 spent will be for housing that will be
12 affordable and perpetuity . If there ' s
13 anything that ' s built, I know the
14 direction is towards home ownership, and
15 that if there ' s workforce housing
16 specifically for businesses , that we ' re
17 seriously considering some sort of
18 financial help for that . There have been
19 no details so far in the last three
20 months worked out on specifically how
21 much business could get and how and what
22 that would look like .
23 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I want
24 to add on to that . Jill and I are
25 liaison to the Housing Advisory
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1 Commission . And we convened a group of
2 Town planners and our new government
3 liaison . We ' re meeting regularly to pull
4 out the priorities and highlight all the
5 sections in that plan where it indicated
6 the Town Board will decide . So that we
7 are clear on what the Town Board is
8 supposed to be doing and setting up
9 priorities . So we ' re hoping to get that
10 shortlist ready . Sort of short term
11 pieces that the Town Board does have to
12 decide . Because that was left as I
13 listened in on all of those meetings as
14 well . As a to-do list for the Town
15 Board . And we can ' t wait until , you
16 know, we ' re asked, like, oh, we didn ' t
17 decide this , and now we need to . We ' re
18 going to start to make those decisions
19 as we work through the next six months .
20 DAVID LEVY : One answer I was able
21 to get -- the one answer that came from
22 the Town Board last time I spoke to you,
23 was the State law that enables you to do
24 this , has certain criteria for
25 participants , but it did not have a
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1 wealth component . In other words ,
2 everything spoke in terms of income . If
3 you met the income limits , you were in .
4 It didn ' t matter that you had $2
5 trillion dollars in the bank . And
6 everybody thought that that was wrong .
7 Not everybody, but most people thought
8 that that was wrong . And I was told
9 that this plan was going to include a
10 wealth limit, which is appropriate , I
11 think . But I asked how it was going to
12 be enforced . Were people going to have
13 to have an ongoing obligation of
14 disclosure as to how much -- I ' m sorry
15 -- as to how much wealth they had and
16 how much income they had? Because the
17 hope is that people who are being given
18 benefits to be able to afford to live
19 here would progress in their employment
20 over time and not need that assistance
21 anymore , which is why workforce housing
22 frequently doesn ' t work . And I was told
23 that , yes , there would be such an
24 obligation . I said, how is that going
25 to work? We don ' t know .
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1 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Well , if
2 you recall when you brought up this
3 issue last time, I cited the benefit of
4 ownership . You know, one of the
5 benefits of ownership is it bypasses the
6 problem of ongoing certification .
7 Because when we give assistance to
8 someone who purchases a home at the
9 time , it ' s affordable and perpetuity,
10 but they own that home until they make
11 the decision to sell it . The time for
12 qualification of income comes again if
13 they decide to sell it . I think that ' s
14 one of the benefits of an ownership
15 model , along with, you know, really
16 other important issues .
17 DAVID LEVY : I appreciate what
18 you ' re saying, but that ' s not the answer
19 I got from the Board the last time I was
20 here . I was told that there would be an
21 ongoing obligation for tax returns , and
22 my question was , okay, when somebody is
23 no longer eligible, what are we going to
24 do?
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That ' s
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1 the question that we have a full-time
2 government liaison . A lot of those
3 responsibilities are falling on her to
4 look at qualifications , income
5 qualifications . And the question that
6 you just raised there, is something that
7 we are trying to work through . If
8 someone in fact becomes more prosperous
9 or even wealthy, what happens to their
10 housing status if they are in a Town
11 sponsored, you know, Town owned unit .
12 DAVID LEVY : So that ' s still not
13 worked out?
14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : It is
15 not worked out . No . That is a sticking
16 point that has to be resolved .
17 DAVID LEVY : To be frank, I know a
18 lot of governments that have stayed away
19 from doing workforce housing because
20 there is no good answer to that . They
21 do senior housing because that problem
22 resolves itself . Because you ' re always
23 over the age limit, and then people pass
24 away, and there is movement . Other
25 people get to benefit . But that ' s not
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1 the case here . Here you ' re talking
2 about removing people from their homes
3 if they don ' t want to go .
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I don ' t
5 know if you saw the article in the
6 Suffolk Times last week about farm
7 worker housing . And I ' m familiar with
8 that program --
9 DAVID LEVY : Are you talking about
10 the bungalow that was built to house
11 their people?
12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes .
13 And the story is that the County a few
14 years ago got some Federal money to help
15 improve farm worker housing . And a
16 number of people in Suffolk County
17 qualified and applied for it . Part of
18 the challenge was making sure verifying
19 that , in fact , the taxpayer money went
20 to improve housing for people who
21 actually worked at that business . That
22 it didn ' t turn into something else
23 besides worker housing . But it ' s easier
24 for the government in that situation to
25 provide money to a business , to house
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1 their own workforce because that
2 business needs a workforce . And so it ' s
3 in there just to say, if you ' re working
4 if you ' re working at this business , you
5 can live there . You can adjust your pay
6 and benefit package accordingly .
7 Because now you have you have no
8 transportation because you ' re living on
9 the business and you have housing .
10 Obviously, if you ' re no longer employed
11 there, you ' re no longer going to have
12 that housing . So that ' s -- that ' s a
13 self-correcting situation .
14 DAVID LEVY : I appreciate what
15 you ' re saying, but I think my point is
16 being missed, and maybe I ' m not making
17 it well . I don ' t really care what the
18 answers to these questions are . I care
19 that there are no answers . And we say
20 we have a plan . And you don ' t have a
21 plan unless you know the answers to
22 these questions . The big question is ,
23 has anybody written any criteria to
24 guide whoever the decider is as to how
25 to handle two applications? Both from
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1 qualified people but which applications
2 are mutually exclusive? How do you
3 decide you have two good applicants in
4 front of you? And I said last time,
5 this is where local governments get into
6 trouble . Because real estate is one of
7 the three places when you read about
8 legal problems and criminal
9 investigations . One of the areas that
10 always comes up in local government is
11 real estate use . The other two are
12 building department corruption, which
13 I ' m not suggesting exists here, but it
14 is an issue in many governments and
15 insurance . But you ' re getting into the
16 real estate business , and the way it
17 arises -- and I said this last time, is
18 to applicants come . Equally qualified .
19 You pick A, not B . He does a little bit
20 of research, and by the way, totally
21 innocent . He does a little research .
22 And 27 years ago , the other guy made a
23 political contribution . The next thing
24 you know, he ' s in the DA ' s office saying
25 he didn ' t get his house, because the
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1 other guy made a political contribution .
2 That ' s how it arises . And you ' re not
3 going to have anything to point you to
4 say why you picked A over B . Unless
5 your planned 84 pages and not a word
6 about how you pick who the winners are .
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : That ' s
8 part of what we ' re discussing now . And
9 in the past, in the history of the Town
10 with Affordable, it ' s always been done
11 with lottery because that makes it fair .
12 We ' re not sitting there, and that ' s most
13 likely the route we ' re going to go . But
14 we wanted to explore what was the
15 fairest way to do it . A lot of the
16 stuff that , you know, we have to decide
17 as legislators . That ' s why the plan
18 came like that because the people that
19 put it together couldn ' t be the -- do
20 the legislative decision . So that ' s
21 what the point we ' re at now . We ' re
22 reviewing those things . We ' re meeting
23 regularly, like Ann said, and we ' re
24 coming up with that step two of the
25 plan .
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1 DAVID LEVY : You ' re just saying
2 exactly what I ' m saying in different
3 words . That wasn ' t a plan . It was a
4 plan to make a plan . And that ' s not
5 what the law required . And you ' ve been
6 collecting this tax for a year . I think
7 an enterprising attorney who wanted to
8 have some fun and maybe make some money
9 would bring an action .
10 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So this
11 plan that what we have now, the 84 pages
12 had to be approved before we -- the
13 County approved our packet . And so it ' s
14 following the guidelines that were given
15 to us and we ' ve done everything
16 according to the guidelines . And we ' re
17 continuing to work on the plan .
18 DAVID LEVY : You do think you ' ve
19 passed the plan?
20 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Yes .
21 It ' s not a complete plan and we never
22 said it was a complete plan . It ' s a
23 plan . It ' s a working document, a living
24 document, and we ' ve been upfront and
25 honest that we have to keep continuing
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1 working on this . You have Stage One,
2 where the stakeholders put it together,
3 and Stage Two where the legislators have
4 to put it together . And we ' re in Stage
5 Two, if you will . I mean that ' s another
6 way to --
7 DAVID LEVY : So it ' s not a plan
8 until the legislators approve it .
9 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : No .
10 No . The legislators continue to follow
11 it . It ' s not a completed plan . It ' s
12 not completed, and we never -- never
13 adopted it as completed .
14 DAVID LEVY : Let me ask you the
15 question a lot of people will be
16 interested .
17 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Yeah .
18 DAVID LEVY : Can an illegal alien,
19 someone who ' s not in the country
20 legally, apply for and get these
21 benefits?
22 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : You
23 have to have a financial tax return
24 that ' s part of what the process is .
25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So we
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1 don ' t have a structure as far as I know
2 as what you would apply for yet .
3 DAVID LEVY : I think that without
4 having a structure --
5 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And
6 that ' s what we ' re working on now .
7 DAVID LEVY : Without having a
8 structure, a court would be hard pressed
9 to say this is a plan . Has rules . It
10 has criteria . It has a form of an
11 application . Do we -- has anybody
12 applied for benefits yet?
13 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : No,
14 ' cause we don ' t have any projects open
15 yet .
16 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Not only
17 has no one applied, but no funds have
18 been given . And I think as the
19 Councilwoman points out, this plan got
20 us to the point where we brought it
21 before voters . A vast majority of South
22 Old Town voters supported the adoption
23 of this plan .
24 DAVID LEVY : No, they didn ' t . No,
25 they -- no , they didn ' t .
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1 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : They
2 supported the legislation .
3 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : They
4 supported the legislation to write the
5 plan .
6 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Right .
7 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : But we
8 needed the plan to put that forward . If
9 they did not have the confidence in the
10 Town Board and our ability to answer
11 these questions , they wouldn ' t have
12 voted to support the collection of this
13 money .
14 DAVID LEVY : With all due respect
15 to my neighbors , I think you ' re giving
16 the residents too much credit for
17 knowing what was in the plan or what was
18 in the law .
19 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Mr . Levy,
20 can you --
21 DAVID LEVY : And in fact, this
22 Board pledged at a number of meetings ,
23 and I can go back because you ' re all
24 quoted in the paper, not all . You are .
25 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI :
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1 Absolutely .
2 DAVID LEVY : About how before you
3 are going to ask people to vote on this ,
4 you are going to produce the plan .
5 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : We have a
6 plan .
7 DAVID LEVY : The vote came within
8 days of the plan being issued .
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : So we
10 upheld the pledge --
11 DAVID LEVY : No . No .
12 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : It ' s my
13 contention that the plan that we have is
14 a plan . It is a living document where
15 we need to answer more questions . You
16 are absolutely correct . The issue --
17 DAVID LEVY : What ' s the plan?
18 What ' s the first thing we ' re going to do
19 under the plan? A plan has a schedule .
20 It has rules . And an --
21 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : An
22 undefinition of a plan --
23 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I think
24 we are -- but we are working with the
25 Housing Committee, and also with a
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1 full-time government liaison whose
2 responsibility it is to try to develop
3 ways to encourage affordable housing in
4 the Town . And until we have clear
5 guidelines approved by the Town Board
6 and vetted by the community, that
7 money ' s not going to be spent . We ' re
8 trying to be very clear on how to your
9 point of who, is there ' s two applicants
10 who gets the money? I mean that ' s a
11 good point . Who --
12 DAVID LEVY : Who does get the
13 money?
14 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Don ' t you
15 take comfort in us not giving out any of
16 these funds? We ' re still not -- we ' re
17 collecting the funds to use . And what
18 --
19 DAVID LEVY : Truthfully, no . I ' ll
20 tell you why . Because the Town is
21 working at cross purposes with itself .
22 All I hear is about how we need
23 affordable housing . And I don ' t
24 disagree at all . I mean, I see all the
25 help wanted signs , and I realize that
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1 people are not getting paid enough to
2 live out here . I get all that . But one
3 of the reasons that there ' s not enough
4 housing out here is because there ' s not
5 enough -- everybody blames only the
6 zoning and that ' s an issue . But the
7 other issue is a lack of available real
8 estate . You agree?
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI :
10 Absolutely .
11 DAVID LEVY : So the Town, if I sell
12 my house, the Town is going to tax the
13 buyer a half a percent to help out with
14 the affordable housing and 2 percent to
15 take more real estate off the market .
16 And given the choice, I ' d rather
17 preserve the real estate . But you ' re
18 trying to do both, and there are cross
19 purposes . So I think this whole program
20 is moronic .
21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well ,
22 there is some conflict there , but I have
23 to disagree with you on the lack of real
24 estate, because I have a brother-in-law
25 who lives in Queens , where they built up
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1 every square inch, and I don ' t think
2 anything is inexpensive there . So the
3 more you build, it doesn ' t mean it ' s
4 cheaper necessarily, or more affordable .
5 So it ' s not like you ' re not going to
6 build your way into affordability by any
7 means . Because it ' s expensive to build
8 and expensive to maintain . And then
9 once you have that infrastructure and
10 we ' re struggling with the infrastructure
11 throughout the whole Town, once you
12 build infrastructure, whether it ' s
13 sewers or public water or electric or
14 buildings , it is a struggle to maintain
15 everything, believe me . And then that
16 adds to the tax burden, adds to short
17 term operating costs and long term debt
18 to maintain things . And we ' re faced with
19 that in this Town right now .
20 DAVID LEVY : We have it in my
21 neighborhood . I get that . But if you
22 talk to real estate developers , they
23 will tell you that the Town ' s program to
24 preserve real estate, they don ' t
25 criticize the program, but they say it
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1 is not helping with the affordability of
2 housing .
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : But
4 even if we took half the farmland that
5 isn ' t protected and built houses on them
6 now, it wouldn ' t be cheap and it
7 wouldn ' t solve the housing problem
8 either .
9 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : It ' s
10 all a balance .
11 DAVID LEVY : That ' s the other
12 thing . You ' re totally right . Every
13 problem that exists in the Town of
14 Southold, there ' s an easy solution for
15 it .
16 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I think
17 it would be my contention that there ' s
18 not an easy solution to the workforce
19 housing problem. To the Supervisor ' s
20 point, we could build out all of the
21 remaining farmland here and put
22 workforce housing there . There ' d still
23 be a need . It ' s .
24 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Not
25 going to solve the problem.
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1 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : This is a
2 problem we cannot build our way out of,
3 but I do think it ' s not surprising that
4 the assembly person that came up with a
5 wildly successful land preservation
6 program, that I think everyone loves the
7 program .
8 DAVID LEVY : Absolutely .
9 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : You know,
10 we ' ve preserved thousands of acres in
11 Southold Town . It ' s not a surprise to
12 me that that same assembly person came
13 up with this affordable housing program,
14 modeled on that, because it was
15 successful . It gives local governments
16 discretion . It gives local governments
17 control to solve the problem in a way
18 that suits our community . The last
19 thing we need is people from Albany
20 coming down saying this is where you
21 need to build it , taking away local
22 control . Taking away local zoning
23 discretion .
24 DAVID LEVY : I ' m not sure why we ' re
25 talking about that . We agree on that .
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1 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Okay .
2 DAVID LEVY : We agree on that
3 totally .
4 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Okay .
5 DAVID LEVY : And I ' m not against
6 the land preservation, but you can ' t
7 have it both ways .
8 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : As the
9 Councilwoman pointed out, I think this
10 is about balance . And it ' s my
11 contention that these two programs allow
12 us to achieve this balance .
13 DAVID LEVY : How many -- how many
14 -- how many families do you think will
15 be helped on average in the first five
16 years of getting this program off the
17 ground?
18 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : We ' re
19 working on answering those questions ,
20 but it is our hope that with the crisis
21 our community is facing, this program
22 will make a meaningful impact to
23 addressing this issue .
24 DAVID LEVY : What would be
25 meaningful to you in terms of number?
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1 Because I ' m going to come back here .
2 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Yeah, I
3 look forward to these discussions .
4 DAVID LEVY : Because if you help
5 three families a year, it will be a lot .
6 And I mention that because you just said
7 such and such is not going to solve the
8 problem . This isn ' t either . What you ' re
9 going to do, is you ' re going to create a
10 big infrastructure and a lot of work and
11 a new department for the Town, a Housing
12 Department , and you ' re going to have
13 very little to show .
14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well ,
15 right now we have the government
16 liaison, which is a position that ' s
17 existed for decades working on this
18 full-time . Not full-time , but that ' s
19 part of her responsibilities . And she ' s
20 a full-time employee .
21 DAVID LEVY : Okay . I think it ' s --
22 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : It ' s
23 going to take time . And there ' s so many
24 different aspects of this plan that we
25 can utilize . And we ' re working on the
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1 priorities of, you know, what we ' re
2 going to tackle first . As the Supervisor
3 said, we talked about development
4 transfer sanitary flow, because that ' s
5 part of any development, whether it ' s
6 affordable or not . So we ' re working on
7 that code . So that ' s shelf ready . I
8 mean, there ' s a lot of work to be done,
9 not just for the housing plan, but for
10 other areas that we ' re working on . On
11 the -- on the Comprehensive Plan . And
12 it all takes time . We ' re diligently
13 working on it , and you know, we ' re
14 making progress .
15 DAVID LEVY : When do you think
16 you ' ll have a plan?
17 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : To
18 your definition, I don ' t know .
19 DAVID LEVY : And I will wait till
20 that date to come back and ask these
21 questions again .
22 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Yeah,
23 you ' ll have answers when we have
24 answers .
25 DAVID LEVY : And okay . When do you
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1 think that ' ll be?
2 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I
3 cannot answer that because we ' re working
4 on it . We ' re going to have a little at
5 a time . And as we resolve the issues ,
6 we implemented it in plan .
7 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : And I
8 would add that the housing plan that
9 you ' re referring to is not the only tool
10 we ' re using to try to solve and achieve
11 the major goal of a diverse housing
12 market . And hopefully get not just
13 workforce housing, but more families
14 able to be here . It can ' t just be one
15 plan that takes care of that . And I
16 think that ' s what we ' re kind of talking
17 about . Can we look at the zoning, the
18 code changes ? What we ' re sitting and
19 doing weekly now is looking at what did
20 we promise to do in this plan that
21 belongs at the Board level and make sure
22 we ' re doing those things .
23 DAVID LEVY : I ' m focused on the
24 legal requirements that you ' re supposed
25 to have a plan . And I think the court
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1 would agree with it .
2 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : I
3 respectfully disagree with you, and I
4 guess I would ask that we move on .
5 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Yes .
6 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : And we
7 could get a legal opinion on this .
8 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : And thank
9 you for your comments and look forward
10 to --
11 DAVID LEVY : Appreciate it .
12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Anyone
13 else like to address the Board?
14 ERIC MCCLURE : Good evening . My
15 name is Eric McClure . I live in
16 Westview Drive in Mattituck . Most of
17 you guys are familiar with me from
18 repeated visits . Another intractable
19 problem is the sound from Strong ' s Water
20 Club, which is across the creek from us .
21 And so I guess I ' m here tonight to ask
22 about a different plan, which is a plan
23 for dealing with that this Summer . I
24 know that Council member Doherty had a
25 meeting with Jeff Strong last summer .
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1 And I have to be honest, I know she went
2 into that with full good intentions and
3 did her best . It just didn ' t really
4 change the situation . In particular --
5 so they do about -- I think they had
6 about 50 live music events last summer .
7 It pushes the envelope of the Town Noise
8 Code because the sound is carrying
9 across water . It really is loud, louder
10 in our backyard than it is where the
11 sound is originating . There was also an
12 issue with one particular boater who was
13 out there for the summer . They started
14 in middle of May to occasionally crank
15 up their sound system, which is very
16 powerful after 11 o ' clock at night . So
17 after everything else had quieted down,
18 the Strong ' s Water Club is closed, the
19 restaurant ' s closed . And then the new
20 school would get cranked for about 30
21 seconds . But if you ' ve gone to bed,
22 your windows are open and it kind of
23 blasts you out of bed . I know Council
24 member Doherty spoke to Jeff about it
25 last summer . He said, "Oh, maybe I need
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1 to kick them out . " Well , they didn ' t
2 kick them out . So that kind of thing
3 happened every three weeks until into
4 October . It never changed . They never
5 dealt with it . They knew exactly who it
6 was because, I had multiple
7 correspondences with one of the
8 managers , the business manager at
9 Strong ' s about it . And I knew who it
10 was , but they just never dealt with it .
11 And so -- and it was -- you knew it was
12 the same person . It was usually the
13 same songs that they were cranking up
14 and it would last for 30 seconds . So
15 you know, I diligently called the police
16 to report it, but there ' s nothing for
17 them to do really at that point . They
18 can go look . So you know, I really like
19 to avoid that . I ' d like to see the
20 music get under control . And there was
21 one night in October, a late in October,
22 a chilly night, when the windows started
23 rattling from some kind of -- it was
24 clearly like DJ music . And so I just
25 rode over there on my bike . And there
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1 was a DJ out on the patio with not a
2 single other person there . There were a
3 couple of people inside in the
4 restaurant . But this music is rattling
5 the windows of our house but nobody ' s
6 out there listening to it , so .
7 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : What
8 was the response from the DJ?
9 ERIC MCCLURE : Oh, I didn ' t talk to
10 him ' cause I didn ' t wanna lose my
11 temper, I guess , but I had actually
12 contacted the person who ' s cell number I
13 have , who was in Connecticut at a boat
14 show, and she said, oh, I said there was
15 nothing on the calendar for tonight, for
16 music, but there ' s a DJ there . And she
17 said, I ' m in Connecticut . I just don ' t
18 know . Here ' s the number for the manager
19 at the restaurant . And that ' s another
20 thing . The restaurant manager changed
21 mid summer . I spoke to her a couple
22 times about some particularly loud music
23 events . And they just -- they didn ' t
24 really deal with it . And I don ' t want
25 to have multiple people that I have to
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1 call . You know it ' s one thing . And the
2 woman at Strong ' s usually responsive,
3 but it ' s just -- it ' s been an issue for
4 many years now . And just really hasn ' t
5 improved . So I guess as I have in the
6 past , I ' m coming here tonight to ask for
7 your help and some kind of plan or
8 strategy for dealing with it . And you
9 know, maybe the long-term and I know
10 there ' s a lot on the Board ' s plate with
11 everything happening in the Town at the
12 moment, the Noise Code is probably
13 something that that needs revisiting . I
14 know Scott mentioned that one point a
15 couple years ago that maybe it ' s not
16 stringent enough . It certainly isn ' t in
17 our case . But I just wanted to say hi ,
18 and with the Spring not too far off or
19 the Summer not too far off now in the
20 season kicking up, to ask for your help .
21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
22 right . You are in the -- probably a
23 tough spot there with a prevailing wind
24 in the summertime to carry the music
25 right to you . I will -- I ' ll give the
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1 marina owner a call and -- this week .
2 And see what he has to say . And it does
3 right, depend on who ' s running it . I ' m
4 sure he ' s not there . He ' s not there
5 personally, but I ' m not sure how they
6 have that music aligned and maybe
7 there ' s something they could do to give
8 you a little relief there and still
9 provide the entertainment they want for
10 there, you know, for their customers .
11 ERIC MCCLURE : Yeah . It seems like
12 you know -- I know Audrey who lives next
13 door knows Jeff from way back . They
14 grew up in the Town together and asked
15 him to turn the speakers around . I know
16 Council member Doherty already talked to
17 him about some kind of sound barrier and
18 I don ' t think that they thought that
19 that might work . But certainly some
20 kind of volume control and a volume cap
21 that keeps it from hitting 70 decibels
22 on our side of the water would help
23 tremendously . Because I ' ve kind of
24 resigned -- we ' ve resigned ourselves to
25 closing the window, turning on the air
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1 conditioning, even if it might be a nice
2 evening . Just to try to keep the sound
3 at bay, but even then sometimes you can
4 just -- you can feel the bass , you know,
5 feel it in your, hitting your chest like
6 that , even with the window shut , so .
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And I
8 will say, he speaks for the whole
9 neighborhood . They ' re just tired of
10 coming out with him, so he ' s -- and
11 we ' ll definitely try again and we ' ll ,
12 you know, I ' ll help supervisor and
13 whatever we come up with .
14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I was
15 on the Town Board when we originally
16 passed the noise ordinance . It is
17 mostly effective when it ' s a single
18 event and, you know, law enforcement
19 shows up and asks them to turn the music
20 down . That is usually an effective
21 method . This is a little different where
22 it ' s a business providing that sort of
23 entertainment . So I ' ll speak to the
24 owner .
25 ERIC MCCLURE : I appreciate it .
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1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Sure .
2 ERIC MCCLURE : Thanks for indulging
3 me .
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Sure .
5 ROBERT DUNN : Robert Dunn, Peconic .
6 I was just -- I ' ve been through that
7 here . It ' s reason my problem was
8 resolved, but to take care of this
9 issue, which seems to be ongoing . I know
10 we have the means to fine it ; correct?
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We
12 have code enforcement . Yes .
13 ROBERT DUNN : Two fines . You get
14 two fines . The third time you get shut
15 down . Whether it ' s for a night or two
16 nights or something . Now you ' re scared .
17 I mean, when you get them in $250 , and I
18 don ' t want to talk bad about the Strong
19 Family . I don ' t know them . They ' re
20 probably nice people, but $250 is not
21 going to hurt them. We all know that .
22 Close them down, and the whole staff
23 knows they ' re going to be out of a
24 night ' s pay . Well , things change . So
25 it ' s just, you get two tickets , which
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1 are basically warnings . They ' re
2 expensive warnings , but they ' re warning .
3 The third one , we ' re going to close you
4 down . We ' re going to come in here,
5 everybody out . You ' re close down .
6 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So
7 it ' s just a matter of updating . It ' s a
8 matter of updating our code .
9 ROBERT DUNN : And it ain ' t gonna get
10 any better here . The garbage that was
11 on the South Shore that quite frankly
12 came from the west, slowly came out . I
13 mean, I was on beach was quiet It ' s
14 gonna continue and it ' s gonna continue
15 up here . If you don ' t bite it now,
16 you ' re going to have to fight it later .
17 It ' s going to be a whole different game .
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well ,
19 that ' s the common theme here tonight, is
20 quality of life issues .
21 ROBERT DUNN : Correct .
22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
23 you . Anyone else? Yes , Mr . Halliger .
24 LEROY HALLIGER : My name is Leroy
25 Halliger . I live in Mattituck, and I ' m
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1 Deacon at the Unity Baptist Church on
2 Factory Avenue . Last March, Item
3 224-258 , Category Support , Non-Support
4 Resolution by the Town Attorney,
5 opposition of Governor ' s budget cuts for
6 highway funding . It ended up with be it
7 resolved, that the Town Board of the
8 Town of Southold opposes the 2024-25
9 budget cuts contained in the Governor ' s
10 budget for highway funding to local
11 governments . Has there been any change?
12 Because I know our budget has been
13 discussed this week . I think they got a
14 deadline of Thursday . Has there been any
15 change in this?
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : For
17 2025 , we haven ' t heard . I know
18 Superintendent Highways Dan Goodwin went
19 up to Albany with a number of highway
20 superintendents from Long Island to
21 basically to lobby for highway funding
22 through New York State and in the
23 budget .
24 LEROY HALLIGER : Well , it says here
25 that it ' s not only the highway . It
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1 says , whereas New York State , Governor
2 Kathy Hochul ' 25 -- ' 24 to ' 25 budget
3 proposal -- proposals of $ 60 million and
4 cuts to chips Funding from the proposed
5 but State spending plan is a result that
6 will result in reductions to local
7 highway funding, including a loss of
8 funds to the Town of Southold .
9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Right .
10 LEROY HALLIGER : Now, ever since
11 the New York State Safe Streets Act was
12 put in place, I think it ' s been
13 something like five years -- five or six
14 years . And I have appealed to the Board
15 for some study -- just a study being
16 made on Factory Avenue because of the
17 increase in traffic . Everybody knows
18 what it ' s like . Especially from
19 Memorial Day to Labor Day . And it ' s
20 getting crucial . And someone ' s gonna
21 get hurt or killed, especially in the
22 residential section . And all I ' m asking
23 for is a study to be made under the Safe
24 Streets Act . And behind this here , it ' s
25 going to be another 10 years before some
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1 action we can -- I ' m just wondering if
2 there ' s any change to this resolution to
3 help us out?
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well ,
5 the proposed budget cuts that you
6 mentioned and the governor ' s budget they
7 have not been resolved yet . The State
8 has not passed the budget this year yet .
9 They ' re normally on April lst the budget
10 should be due . So they ' re past that,
11 and so we don ' t know what the State of
12 the highway funding is going to be yet .
13 Maybe our representative or liaison to
14 the Transportation Commission could
15 bring up the more localized safety
16 issues on Factory Avenue .
17 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : And so we
18 have discussed not just Factory Avenue
19 but that whole --
20 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : That
21 whole area is speed down sound .
22 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : The walk
23 ability I think is what we ' re concerned
24 about . And the backing up of traffic in
25 the summer . So that is on our radar to
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1 get over there and take a look at it,
2 and ask for a solution . I don ' t know if
3 we need a study . I know we are studying
4 things on the Main Road right now with
5 the State regarding the safety at the
6 crosswalks and things around Love Lane .
7 So we ' re going to keep working on that .
8 But Mr . Goodwin and I are going to come
9 and meet with you and look at,
10 physically look at what the needs are
11 and see if we can ' t -- not wait for
12 someone else to tell us what we can do .
13 What we can try to do with what we have
14 control over . Because it has to get
15 safer . You ' re right .
16 LEROY HALLIGER : Thank you .
17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
18 you . All right, is the Board ready to
19 adjourn?
20 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : So move .
21 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Second .
22 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
23 favor?
24 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
25 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
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4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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