HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-11/19/2003Albert J. Krupski, President
James KinE, Vice-President
Artie Fester
Ken Poliwoda
Peggy A. Dickerson
Town Hall
53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631 765-1892
Fax (631) 765-1366
BOARD OFTOWNTRUSTEES
TOWN OFSOUTHOLD
MINUTES
November 19th, 2003
7:00 p.m.
PRESENT WERE:
Albert J. Krupski. Jr., President
James King, Vice-President
Artie Foster. Trustee (Absent)
Ken Poliwoda, Trustee (Absent)
Peggy Dickerson, Trustee
E. Brownell Johnston, Esq., Town Attorney
Charlotte Cunningnam, Clerk
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEG lANCE
NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, December 10th, 2003 at 8:00 a.m.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON moved to Approve. TRUSTEE KING Seconded.
AYES
NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, December 17th, 2003 at 7:00 p.m.
WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m. TRUSTEE DICKERSON moved to Approve.
TRUSTEE KING Seconded. ALL AYES
ALL
APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes of October 22, 2003
TRUSTEE DICKERSON moved to Approve the Minutes. TRUSTEE KING
Seconded. ALL AYES
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III.
MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for October 2003. A
check for $6,634.06 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the General
Fund.
PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin
Board for review.
AMENDMENT/~NAIVEPJCHANGES:
PETER COSOLA request an Amendment to Permit 5798 to install a new
cesepOo[ system and add a 3'x30' extension to the front of the house
based on the footprint of the above referenced previously gratlted permit.
Located: 2880 Minnehaha Blvd. Southold, NY SCTM#87-03-43
TRUSTEE. KRUPSKI: The CAC recommends approval of the applicatiOn.
However suggests the. planS be revised in order to avoid ~emova:l of a
larg~e tree. This is not a public hearihg but anyone is welcomed to speak.
)resent the applicant?
I am'not here to represent the applicant I, am a
[ live across the street. My name is
Blvd, Mr.
far has requested a
ot e~en~ibn abc requ; est
for ~ )roVed. NOW he, wants
to ,~d Foot
(for
se to
waffte,
as' he
h'as nm
Cenetructio'r yet.
Board Membr~r '[hz~[ vlsi[od ti~e silo. Since it
:tion to i. ho pormi[-.- 98 '1:oo[ Irom the high water
4 .,., , K,N~, ::~: · ~isit.thesite.
· 4. ,4...~ K 4! ', ~t.;,(: ?,.;;mod that it was a m~nor since it was 98 feet
.'. :'. "! .' .... ? =".~,.,: '. pet'mit te the addition and we are unaware of
..' .. ~,.;,,.' .... :...' -' ! would ask Mr. Johnston about the set backs
from ~h~ teaC!' T~a~euld no[ be our issue it would be a Planning
De~i~rd~i~,ue. ~e has t~ try to get our permit first. Just because we
iss. ~L~, l'a, Perm'i~ it d~e§ 'no~ mean that quite often he has to go on to get
oth~r aCpro~r~ s from other, age'ncies and quite often other ~genc es
d'sal e~ wh~t the a~p cant has.prop0sed. Then they have to come back
to us for an amendment. If we approve this it does not necessarily'going
to happen. Our only concern is the environment with respect to the 3x30
addition.
ROBERT HOLZMAIER: I saw that there was a Permit on the front of the
house and if anyone had any objections. To appearand am appeadng.
want to be correct to assume that there is someone taldng minutes and
my name will be here objecting to this.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I would advise you to pursue this with the Planning
Department because of the set backs and a vadance from the ZBA,
But they have to come to you first.
approve these additions to houses.
allow it and then they have tic, come back.
~ it is out of our ju'dsd!ction.
my name again?
Just ~he spelling of it.
Holzmaier Rebert a~d my address 2765
~kyou
anyone like to make a Motion?
I. will make a motion to Approve the Amendment to the
I~i~,~ERSON: Seconded.
I~-¢,UPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUS'FEE KRUPSKI: We are going to hold the permit for Cosola until
weget the cesspool system indicated on the plans.
TRUSTEE KING: It just slipped by I was concentrating on the road.
Proper-T Services on behalf of STEPHEN MATTEINI request an
Amendment to Permit 5787 to raise the existing house from the
foundation, demolish the existing foundation and construct a new
foundation within the same proposed footprint to include proposed
additions - demolish two one stow portions of the existing structure and
rebuild them. Located: 3855 Bay Shore Road, Greenport, NY
SCTM#53-6-19
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We issued this permit in July for an addition to a
single-family dwelling and stake row of hay bales. I do not see gutters and
drywells on this?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: What are the CAC comments?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh CAC approved During construction the foundation
was discovered to need a new foundation underneath it and I did not have
any problems with it. They are 9oing to raise the house up and proceed
with the construction. If there are no other comments. I will make a
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Motion to Approve the application of Stephen Matteini and just a note for
the records the drywells and gutters with the roof run-off be on the plans.
Be included in the written description for the new permit. All in favor.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
PROPER-T PERMIT SERVICES on behalf of GREGORY
MAZ7-ANOBILE requests an Amendment to Permit 5631 to allow the
location of the sewage disposal system and the necessary fill and
retaining wall. Located: 1400 Lake Avenue, Southold, NY SCTM#59-1-
21.6 & 21.7
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Is there anyone here to speak on this? We just got
a. I~tter from Mark Terry Senior Environmental Planner yesterday. The
Bbard: haS:,nnot had time to review. We are marking on ~fifferent Wetland
-forms fro.rd the site and the ~mportance and so ~n th s case would lust
withhold 9ur con~r~ents until the Board can take a look at ~t. The report
,c.a"~e in late, I Will make a,, Mot[on to Table the application.
J'~M' FI~'ERAI~D: I am J;~m Fitzgerald representidg Mr. Mazzanobile.
The, rePO~lthoagh it arrives at ti~e conclusion that there are wet ands in
the'a(~ .t[i0t nre~d,'tb be protected. I am nor sure thatHi u;nderstand how
he g~rt~ier, e 'FOr. rt'stance, you probab y knowwhat a G3 and a G4 are I
n~yreb¢~a rd o~;t~ern
T.'~EE~KJ!~(~: ~t~, I do not have the slightest idea..
TR~Ei~R.~S~I: No that ts why we do not want to rush into any
;tl~, '.~, ,,P~G~-~' RALD ment on th s because t maybe you, can ta k to Mr
T'~,r.i~'b~O~ we gel back together. Because there s no nd cat on how
~arly Of fl~e§e thing~ were arrived at. He says that there are Martine fresh
,.¢atSr. i~[0r-~dunal swalos and those things someplace are listed as G3 and
G4. br S~ rrrd wo have no indication of what that means. Either good or
our standpoint that it is bad. I think it needs a lot
mment applies he asks specifically but in
before the Board. We got to the
the wetlands. But no one says why it is bad for the
~ case. He is saying that it is bad 'for the
that it is going, to Idll the cranberries. Since
:crop in this,area for the, local people. So that is
and. I think it should.
absolute y riqht and that is why we have to
Because tl~ese are sensitive areas.
not very environmentally sensitive.
tt ~s all
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I made a Motion to Table this application. Are
there any other comments? All in favor.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: ALL AYES.
En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of MADELINE PISCIOTTA requests a
One Year Extension to Wetland Permit #5257 to conStruct a two-story,
one family dwelling to be raised on pilings, deck, pervious driveway, two
(2) drywells, drinking water well and sanitary system to be placed on
approx. 380 cy of clean sand fill and contained with concrete retaining
walls (this will be the final one year extension). Located: 8554'Main
B~yV[9~ F(oad, Southold¢ ~'4Y SCTI~t87-5-23.7 & 23.8
TR'uST~-I~RUPSKI: Take any comments if anyone has any? Permit
was iSsued.three years'~ago. Anyone wants to take a 10Ok.
~RUiSTE,E, KIN~,: Nothitlg has. changed.
TRUSTEE'KRUPSKh Do l hav'e'a ~'otion?
TRUSTE~_ KI'NG; I will make a motion for a final one-year extension for
the permit.
TR .U~TBE DIOKERSON: Seconded.
TR.U'S'T~E KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
Cross Sound Ferry Services, Inc, requests a One Year Extension to
Permit #5408 for the proposed re-grading and the application of
stone/gravel to the snack bar parking area, along with proposed
installation of curb stops and guard rail fence, for the installation of Iow
intensity safety lighting, within the snack bar parking area, and for the
installation of a berm southward of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area line,
said berrh to be planted and stabilized with a double row of Rosa rugosa
and a staked snow fence. The location of the berm shall be as depicted
on the revised site plan dated August 29, 2001 and last revised October 9,
2001 and shall be located at the following coordinates, about 52' south of
the CEHA line at the west boundary of SCTM#15-9-15.1 and about 90'
south of the CEHA line at the east boundary of the aforesaid lot.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Did anyone take a look at this?
CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: It only came m yesterday.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am going to table this application, because we did
not have the time to look at it.
CHARLOTTE CUNNIGHAM: The problem with it, if it goes into the next
month meeting they will have to reapply.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh We will talk it over. It was physically in before the
meeting but without time for an actual review, will make a Motion to
Table with that condition.
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TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh This is the public portion of the meeting.
MOtion to go off the regular meeting.
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor .ALL AYES
needa
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MA TTER OF THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE
OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF
PUBLICATIONS FROM THE TRA VELER-WA TCHMAN; PERTINENT
CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR
COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMIVIENTS ORGANUZED AND BRIEF
FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS IF POSSIBLE
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Two Public Hearings have been postponed.
Henry Huecker Wetland Permit has been postponed
Jeffrey Hallock Wetland Permit has been postponed.
HENRY HUECKER request a Wetland Permit to expand existing
cesspool system landward of existing system - additional pool to relieve
existing system. Located: 3300 Deep Hole Drive, Mattituck, NY
SCTM#115-17-12 POSTPONED AS PER APPLICANT'S REQUEST
JEFFREY HALLOCK requests a Wetland Permit to cut into ground of
right of way for installation of underground utilities and permission to cut
base of existing dirt roadway to upgrade with stone materials as required
by Southold Zoning Board - to locate dwelling with attached garage and
sanitary system at least 110-115 ft from nearest edge of tidal wetlands
Located: Diachon Road/Peconic Bay Blvd. Laurel, NY SCTM#127-3-9.1
POSTPONED AS PER APPLICANT'S REQUEST
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WILLIAM & PATRICIA BRENNEN request a Wetland Permit to construct
a 3'x35' stairway with 6'x3' landing on the property down the slope to
Marion Lake. Located: 1050 Truman's Path, East Marion, NY SCTM#31-
12-5.1
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Would anyone like to speak in favor of or against
the application? Do I have a Motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Do have a seconded?
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUpSKh All in favor.
I ,~tli r~ake a Mo~iton te A~prove the applioation.
~O~]TEE ~?NG: Seconded.
~UCTEE KRU!PSKI: ,~]1 in favor. ALL AYES.
ANTHONYPALUMBO requests a Wetland Permit for a single-family
residence with attached garage. Located: 3550 Grathwohl Road, New
Suffolk, NY SCTM#110-8-3
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Would anyone like to speak to this application?
TRACY PALUMBO'r Good evening, my name is Tracy Palumbo I am here
with my husband Anthony Palumbo who is the applicant. I am actually a
co-applicant but my name is not on the application.. This project consists
of a one family dwelling, with approximately 2800 feet of living space
including a garage. The lot is presently improved with the septic system
and awel., which were installed by the pnor owner. The septic system
was installec in the late 80's. Based upon a permit that was issued but
expired. The septic system has been inspected by the Health Department
and wewere issued a permit from the Health Department on July 9~h of
this year. We are here before you tonight asking your permission to build
our home. Based upon the fact that the DEC has flagged the wetlands
boundary - 83 feet from the closest point from our proposed dwelling..
There is a paved road between the proposed hou~se and the wetlands
boundary W~e.have already covenanted to maintain a twenty-foot wide
buffer between the corlstruction and the road. We were issued a DEC
permit On April 21st, of this year. We were also granted a variance from
[he ZBAon July 3rd of this year. The location of the house was deferred
based ?orr the,Odd shape of the lot as well as the town set back
requ~ire~er~s. '¢'~/e had to go to the ZBA for the set back requirements
ba~sed ~pen the:issue~ That is about it. If the Board has any questions?
T~US~E DICI4ERSON We went out on inspection and th~ ~esspools
were located.
MR. JOHNSTON: Did you find the well also?
T~USTEE KRUPSKI: No we will have to take the surveyor's word for it.
TRUSTEE KING: It looks to me that the cesspools have to be upgraded.
There is a big tree in there.
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MR. PALUMBO: I am Anthony Palumbo I am the co-applicant. When
they were originally installed I believe it was 1985 or 1986. They were
approved of course that was pursuant to the permit with the Health
Department had granted. As well as a Building Permit from the Town of
Southold. It was just a little sapping tree. They were backed filled and all
the piping was completed.
;TRUSTEE KING; But things grow. did not have a big problem with it.
:TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Gutters and drywells for roof run off?
MRS. PAEUMBO: Yes there will be.
Do they need hay bales?
, are across the street.
ff~ is an asphalt street.
It lo~ks like hay bales.
Are you- an~iclpatihg hay bales for the twenty-foot buffer.
Yes.
Any other comments from my other two
Board. Anyone else here to speak against the
make a Mot[on to close the headng.
Seconded.
All in favor. All AYES.
Approve the applicant's request for the Wetland
residence with attached garage with gutters and
and hay bales as indicated on the plans. All in
What you need to do is have your surveyor draw it
Which will show the drywells. It will be the description on
Okay certainly. Thank you very much
Eh-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of ROSEMARY & SEBASTIAN
AVOLESE request a Wetland Permit to cc ~struct a second story -
addition over- a two story house/garage addition to an existing one story,
one family dwelling remove existing brick patio and construct attached
deck, clear and establish four foot wide landscape path to existing dock,
modify existing driveway, install a drainage system of drywells, and
establish plantings. Located: 4150 Wunneweta Road, Cutchogue, NY'
SCTM#111-14-24
TRUSTEE KING: Is there anyone here to comment on this application?
ROB HERRMANN: Good evening, [Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on
behalf of the applicant's Rosemary & Sebastian Avolese. Rosemary and
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Sebastian are here and also their architect, Fairly straight forward
application. The only thing that I would note on the project description it
should say to construct a second stow addition over and a two stow
house/garage addition to the existing one stow, one family dwelling. As
per the Beard's requirements there has been a system of drywellsto be
fed by leaders and gutters to serve the entire residence. There has been
a drainage calCUlation dOne by Bush Associates, that isthe architect
included on the site plan and there is also a notation on the site plat~
indicating gutters an(] lead:ers to serve the on:tire residence and Connect
tO these new catch basins, There is a project-limiting fe, nce, which is
~°nstructiOn, whiOh would gE arour~d ~e ~ti~'~.Froj'ect site.
~ ten-foot contour because.much Of th~s prrjeof v~ili be
diction or Now Stale DEC. E~ Boated b~Sany
would be happy lo answor [he~, Oth~bt~i:~ iris a fairly
I do not think that,we had a problem
That new addition is that going to have a full
underneath it? I am just wondering about excavation. Also
Well, it actually is a good point that you raised. We
a project limiting fence without haybales. It would be a
g for that vew reason. We want to tw to maintain
contour. Both because after that
pie, down and also for DEC. There was no way. We
fence down lower that makes more sense. Actually use the
silk screening which would: run along the
assumed the Board would actually prefer that. For the
y, ou just mentioned.
What about the existing cesspools?
A good question? Rob, do you know where the
the
just looking on the existing survey. Do you know
shd, w the Board. On the survey it actually shows
3fthe house.
;now if they have to be upgraded?
]at is being proposed is a three bedroom. The
Of'the heuse will be changed. The number of bedrooms will
So, therefore, we do not have to go to the Health
So the only reason we would have to have an upgrade if
t requested it. But we are not increasing the
do not suspect that they will. Unless the system is
it is not.
y other comments on this application? Any
I make a Motion of close the headng.
DICKERSON: Seconded.
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TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
will make a Motion to Approve the application as submitted.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALLAYES
ROB HERRMANN: Thank you.
Eh-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of ADELAIDE KNOWLES requeSts a
Wetland Permit to replace within 18" and raise 6" approximately 51 linear
feet of existin~g, timber bulkhead and backfill with approximate!y 15 cubic
yards clean sand fill to be trucked in from an upland source - exiSting
stairs and deckto be removed and replaced in kind ~n place as
neceSSitat~ by bulkhead construction. Located: 2152 Park Avenue,
M~tti~ck, NYS~TM#123-8-9
ROB ~EP~VIANN; IF~_.ggy do you want to do the next one as wetl as this
of~e, ~tth~ S¢m~.time. T~iey are actually adjourning. They are all Dart of
the:s~esf¢8Cture.
TRU~EE KRUPSKI: Go ahead So we will do both 6&7.
En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of N. SUE MUELLER TRUST request a
Wetland Permit to replace within 18" and raise 6" approximately 50 linear
feet 0f eXisting timber bulkhead and backfill with approximately 15 cubic
yards clean sand'fil[ to be trucked in from an upland source - existing
stairs and deck to be removed and replaced in kind in place as
necessita~d by bulkhead construction. Located: 2200 Park Avenue,
Mattituck~ NY SCTM#123-8-10
ROBHE~RM~NN: Rob Herrmann on behalf of both applicants, N, Sue
Muell'er T~ust~and Adelaide Knowles. This is also a very straight forward
¢ repair and maintenance to existing bulkhead
from the moratorium. If the Board has any
be happy to address them on the two
They are effectively one bulkhead structure that spans both
I be done at the same time.
CAC has an approval with: Stipulations. The
approval of the applicatiop with the following
should be place¢ in place only. No treated
on the new structures. The fill area should be
~ r~atiMe grasses. There shoald be no increase in the size of
lock.
RO ~' ~E~RMANN: I can respond to each of those. The easy one no
in~ase,jn the'size of the deck. There is no increase in the size of the
d~(,tha,~.is Proposed. What was the fourth one, Peggy?
-I-~ST~ I~IOI~ERSON: That was the fourth one.
Theithir~ene was the fill area should be planted with native grasses.
ROB',HER,RMA~NN: Which is not a problem. That area is vegetated now.
It woa,ld erd[nanly be re-vegetated. Regarding their comments regarding
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inkind/in place. We certainly have visited this topic befbre. There is a
relatively steep embankment, Basically it is going to be less disturbance
and destabilization, If the bulkhead is replaced out in front. Then if it is
removed in it's entirely. Where you are going to have more excavating
and stockpiling the soil involved. In this case, it is the originally bulkhead
and it has never been stepped out before. The step out will occur over
dry beach. So there is ne disturbance and there is no disturbance in
Town Water. There is no constdctien or other effect on navigation. The
structure will remain completely landward of the adjacent bulkhead to the
east, Which is already located s,e~eral feet seaward, of this bulkhead. So
going out i~n front ~r¢ilf'deCrease th-e Project Cost to the applica~b ati~d will
There will be~rlo ¢
S,tep
an
as
~eally
lot in
~RU',S~ DiOI~ERSON: My comment is that when we were out in the
fielcf w~ d~cided'* ip kind/in place,
'FRLIS'i~J~ KR~PSKI: Especially on the westerly side. That neighbor is
fa r y rc,e,;,?¢, Vye Weu d tke to see that matched up. As the east bu khead
j,ets oe~ere.
ROB ~E;RRf~ANN: I can only and I am not going to reiterate everything
tlhat I just said relative to your comments verses the CAC's. Again, there
is no ad'¥erse impact associated with the one time step out. Which again
tl~e Be ~.aC~,d has allowed. You have allowed it On LeCastro and you have
all~cv~d; E on, this very beach in the past.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would like to keep then especially when they
j.Oined q:i~ in li~e. Especially with the neighbor's.
~RUS~E D;iCKERSON The dec s on s not so much CAC.
ROB H;~RRMANN: It does not matter where the recommendation is
cor~ing ~rom,. You or the peep e that are he png to advise you. I can only
make the recluest to the applicant for those reasons, n my experience
with this ~Board the objections have come in that we are in a narrow creek
and thatit would some how affect navigation. There is marsh in front, you
are in title water you do not want filling of the Town Creek. Other than
what you are mentioning.
TRMSTF~E KRUPSKh You want to keep a straight line.
ROB HERRMANN: You are not creating a situation like you have a deep
return or you are going to have scouring. My argument would be that
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there would be very inconsequential impact by going out in front. But
obviously it is the Board's decision.
TRUSTEE KING: I noticed on the one parcel. There is not a lot behind
the bulkhead. If there is going to be a lot of disturbance. There is a lot of
vacan~area there. It really is not going to be a hardship by putting it in
place.
ROB HERRMANN: I can certainly take the Board's decision back to the
applicants. If there is a problem I will ask you to revisit it. if not we will
have tO go with the Board's degree.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: So we will table it?
I: No I would not want to table it. would say approve it
your decision. If thei'e is a serious concern or other
I wilt come back but I think that
; done
l[ngwhat about the vinyl issue?
An independent thought just came to my mind. The
we be able to replace on the
- wh~ich would be placed in kind and in
slight angle out to where it would
hour the rest of the project. You
']'RUg'.I EE KING: I thir
Se il you did thaL thon
b~d~ w;ay of doing it.
~bor's to the east jets out past this point.
u~p flush with it. That would not be a
'I'R.IJ.S~TEE K'RUPSKh You start at the westedy end and by the time you
got out. You would be i~ front of. It would not be a perfectly straight line.
~m~e er ~e~,~,ou would not have that jet out.
~"~ '~¢:~R~iAI~'~]: We would not want to go all the way out.
T~$;I'EE KRU.PSKI: Slightly angle it.
ROB ,BER. RMANN: Wel.l that would accomplish reducing the project cost
~. ~he:same t]m.e. What I could do ~s go back to the contractor and
.d~,~,,~r~., ,,, - i~'~h h'im. The number that works?
'F'~EE,.,.., I~R~PSKI: Whatever number has to work.
13~ ~OB~-IERR;k.'.IA~N: Mueller would be entirely 18 inches as it has been
sul~mi;~ted. Kno~¥1es would have to have the firsttwenty feet would have
to' ~.~'~kfC~d.~ ~ ¢la~ce.
T~t~ .~-i-EE KR~d'PSKh Not in kind/in place, just covered up. I will make
the'resolution it.you want.
TR.~.'~;'I'EF_' DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to close the hearing. Do I
havo 4~ socondod?
TRMSTEE KING: Soconded.
'I'RU~.Ti=E DI~KE~SON: All in favor. ALL AYES
'f'R~.' ~.",'~'EE KR,~, .PSKI: I will make a Motion to AppreYe the application on
b(,.t.~4~l .ADEL E KNOWLES to replace 51 hnear feet of existing hnear
I(-,,~t' o~: timber bulkhead starting at the most southerly end of the westerly
n~g[fb()r's bulkh(;ad angling out an area designated on the new plans to
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be received and the rest of the bulkhead will be in kind and in place the
remainder of the 51 feet will be in kind/in place. I do not know how you
are going to type that up Charlotte? The remainder will be at 18 inches.
ROB HERRMANN: it will not be a full 18 inches.
TRUSTEE KING: prefer to keep them as close as we can.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to App,'ova the application of N. SUE MUELLER
TRUSTto replace within 18 inches approximately 50 linear feet of
existing ,bulkhead.
TRUSTEE D[CKERSON: Seconded.
~USYEE KR'd~SKI: ~,tl in favor. ALL AYES.
8. Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of CUTCHOGUE NEW SUFFOLK
PARK DISTRICT request a Wetland Permit to construct covered wood
gazebo 24'xl 2' Located: 9430 Skunk Lane, Cutchogue, NY SCM#104-8-
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TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Would anyone like to speak to this application?
JIM FITZGRALD: Yes, Jim Fitzgerald for the Park District. We met at the
site last week. We agreed to move the gazebo twenty feet to the north
and / have new drawings.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Thank you
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone else here to speak to this
application? Any of the Board members? I will make a Motion to Close
the hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES. I will make a Motion to
ApProve the permit request of Cutchogue New Suffolk Park District for
a co,vered wood gazebo 24'x12' on 9430 Skunk Lane, Cutchogue. Do I
have a seconded?
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES
Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of PETER BOGOVIC
request for Wetland Permit to construct a 124' retaining wall above the
current high water mark with C-Loc vinyl sheathing. Located: 1980 North
Bayview Road, Southold, NY 70-12-39.5
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Would anyone like to speak on behalf of the
application?
JOHN COSTELLO: Yes, my name is John Costello of Costello Marine
Contracting Corp, I am the agent for Peter Bogovic on this application.
This is a continuation of two other hearings. First the Board had
recommended that he use rock and the additional costs and the damage
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to the property and the restoration costs would increase the cost
approximately thirty to forty percent. He said he could not afford to do
that. I came back and tried to stake the property and I staked it back
behind the high water mark. It also was tabled last month because there
was a question to review an outstanding violation issue that was on it:
The Board did not want to go through the permit process until the
outstanding violation was completed. I hope the Board did review that
violation because I did myself. If the Board has any questiods on thiS. I
would certai'nly try to answer them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I see that the fence was removed from underneath
the dock.
jOH~I;COSTELEO: That was not part of the violation.
TR~E KRUPSKh I would be inclined to move this application along,
Bebaus~ I think that the fence wasthe most offensive thing that we saw
there. Some of the debris, But that having been removed. I would think
i]~ the cc~rse of bUilding a structure there. The debris being moved as
p,a~ ,of ~e process,
JOHN 6pSTELLO: Could make one other suggestion for the Board As
~.~see the'~iolation and the application. The original application ask
to the edge of the grass made by John Froehoffer. As
~,by. He has lost a considerable amount of land. Most
~ ll3st because of the bridge abutment, The bddge
nore of a violator than Mr. Bogovic has ever been.
They h broken steel, broken concrete in the water. Which is
erous than one of the concerns that Ken had on the
creating some erosion on the next-door property.
state. This bulkhead is entirely above mean high
high water.mark. It d,oes, not preclude the east ,
it. I would suggest a~ a Comprom se to Kenny s
a right angle relbr,n on the. south side
bei~aus~.tbeis~)~t.h side with a right angle, retUrn'*'"' can cause sco. u~ing. It is
at ~he brl'd~l.e abQ~ent. BOth eides, when the ~ide is trying to get out and
tf~e tide ~s'~ ri~rmal there is S~uring. Rb ~as ios{.a considerable
a.mounf ~f,la~hd. Twenty-four fre,t on on~ sidle ahd twelve onthe other.
Ne;doe;si nbt Want it to (~ontinue. ;By an¢ing that return it would lessen
any possibi[ ty of scour ng to the .' · ' ' ' : '., ~ ,',/. If there are any
questo~dnth~ can show you ', "' . .: ' '. ." of exactly what l
mean
TR;U'STEE KRUPSKI: I think that there is no doubt that the bddge
ab~Jtmedt has impacted Mr. Bogovids property. I think that our concern ~s
tliat it does not transfer that to the neighbor's property. That is why the
B~ard really felt that if he really felt the need to armor it upland. He
should dp so' with the revetment that would in our experience has really
lessen tl~e degree of scouring and impact.
JOHN CiOST£LLO: It dispurses wave energy. The only thing it is above
the high water mark. If you want it higher a,bove the high water mark. I
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am sure that he does not object to that. He does not want to continually
loose more. But I think that the scouring action will be at the south return.
Instead of a right angle back on 18 foot length. It certainly decreases any
potential of Scouring.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I still would not want to put a viny~ wall next to the
neighbor's because you are just going to transfer it,.
JOHN COSTELLO: This return here will be the only thing that will create
an effect. Same as the bridge abutment is doing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will have to disagree here. Because you said only
in a storm. But tha~ js going to create in this whole area here. That is
going to tra, n~er down tn~t is what my concern is. Otherwise, there is no
i~oint ~for~-~h .~ wali ifwater is not going to h ~ t.
JOHN C~O$~,LO: When, the: tide is.abnormal as it is increased by the
ednt[Ci~{r~g fetal;ri ~ere.. if this is angJed:back'you will not want to
~(e~ ~[bi~ ~ig~ angle.
TR~L~$%E ~: I dfsagree because, fyou cut back or not. Consider
th;is'm a,~'~i~¢rl;~ that~w0uld be in the Water.
,JOHN ~¢bS-C~LO: You cannot keep the tide up.
TRU'S'r EE K~UPSKI: If he goes with the vinyl up to here and revetment
a~rJ~rcrie':t~ ,l,~sen ~e effect.
JglHl~ _g,: I tell you what and it has happened on many
occas~ol-¥S ~¢~Ji. [ho NewYork State DEC. They wdl make you put rocks
arc~und an,ywh~re near the return. Water is slowed down from the wave
on?rg,i,(?~,. I can s~ow you dozen pictures.
'¢~:E, I~'KI: Will they not require armoring and a bulkheadiung.
J Well if [hey are in the water.
T ~iKl: Duriag a storm event that is when you get that
J;~l COSTBL,L.,O: This is not a high energy area except for the right
aisle, That ]srid,,ge is where the whole energy is being dispersed. We
ha~ion ~)oth sjcJ~s. You can see the scouring on both s des
TI~TEE KR:UPSK: st would rather see half- half rock up to that
JC~l~ COSTELLO He can lower it
T~-CEE KRUPSKI: Then how high would that wall be?
JO~ COSq-ELLO: About two feet. Because you see the two pilings that
he',li,,~, the're. It goes above them now. Al. if you wanted to and if you
wa~L4(the last twenty feet to be armored pull baok further into the bank.
P~,~ ~ck armoring ,in front of the last twenty feet abutting the neighbor's
p~r~, I tl-tir~k l will give him the rock. am t red of dea n wthths'ob.
T~J~E,E KRUPSKh We were going to make that offer, g J
JO~tl~ COSq-JELLO: I think that if I angled it back. 1 think we should do
th~,, ~n~ay. I think it will reduce any potential scouring above the water.
TF¢~31~T,':EE KRU~SKI: How does the Board want to handle this?
Ofb~ii~usly we need ~ new plan for this Do you want to stake it in the field
for ~Di~6ember?.
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JOHN COSTELLO: I will re-stake it. Then you can review it. Have it
congenient upon a new set of plans, I will g~ve you a new set of plans.
will draw it with the rock· On the last twenty feet. I will also angle that
return so it does not have a right angle abutment. That could scour.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Okay.
JOHN COSTELLO: I will submit those plans.
TRUSFFEE KRUPSKh Any other comment I will make a Motion to close
the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded·
TRUS~E KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALI_ AYES
I w~l[ make, aM0ti0n to Approve the application for Peter Bogovic for a
t 24 ~0[ retajniDg wall with the last 20 feet armored with stone and
al~l~t'0~ed S,Ubj~Ct I:o a new set of plans. AI'I the debris be removed from
fl~'l~0:~[O~ FoUr foot extension landward ofthe catwalk that is existing.
D01 ha~a~ sec0~ded.
C RSON: Seconded.
TR~'FEE K~SKI. Ail n favor. ALL A ES.
10.Agnieszka Drozdowska on behalf of JOHN BETSCH requests a
Wetland Permit and Coastal Erosion to construct a new two story three
bedroom - 2 car garage (in place of the existing one story - two car
garage) the new structure will be built on wood pilings in compliance with
FEMA. Located: 2325 North Sea Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#54-04-24
TRUSTEE ~RUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of
this application:
JOHN BETSCH: I am John Betsch the owner of the property.
I am here to let you know if you have any specific questions that I can
answer them. My architect Frank Notaro is here if you have any technical
questions about the specific construction. It really is the replacement of a
summer house and making it a permanent structure and then I ca~ move
out to Southold.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Are there any other comments? It shows on here
that the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line running down the road on the
survey. The Coastal Erosion Law is pretty clear and I took another look at
the house tod:ay. That nommajor additions are prohibited in the dune area
of the structural hazard area. So this would really exceed that as a non-
major additions is defi~ 9d as twenty five percent of the existing. So this
really exceeds that under the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line.
JOHN BETSCH: I do not understand your question. The fact that the
house is 100 some feet from the water and in place of existing structure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Under Coastal Erosion I think that they would
consider it to be on the dune. I would consider it to be a primary dune.
Under Chapter 37 Coastal Erosion. It is seaward of the Coastal Erosion
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Hazard Line. Certainly, it would be considered a major addition. Under
the definitions it is a major addition, in addition to a structure resulting in a
twenty five percent increase greater than the ground cover of the
Structure. That would certainly fall in this guide of Chapter 37.
;JOHN BETSCH: At the moment there are two houses which are being
completed on the same, side of my street. A third house which has jus'~
been demolished to be rebuilt. Which I assume was approved by the
same trustee board. II would think that the Coastal Erosion Line would not
~nge drastically as it goes down the road.
KRUPS~KI: Honestly, I do. not know in those locations where
Aswell asdirectly across the street. There isa house
But that is behind the Coastal Erosion.
Facing a Pond.
]: That is Lily Pond.
. So I am a little confused so that I cannot touch this
Erosion?
It is a Town Code Chapter 37. You can come in
If; Would not be considered anything greater than twenty
ground area. I do not know what percentage
] at it that it is greater than twenty five
The existing house is so tiny. You are saying that I
; any of the existing house.
The way that I read the Code. I could be wrong.
this up on our field inspection. I looked at the Code in the
if the Board has looked at the Code. The way that I
is that you would be allowed a twenty five percent
land area there only.
BBTSCH: The expansion on a house that is only 750 feet right
~$TEE KRU PSKh Whatever it is.
~iS, TEE KII~IG: ~,bout two hundred feet.
J~ BE~TSCH: what are the alternatives?
~TEE KRUPSKI: You can take a look at the Code, Your agent can
t,a:~ ~ ook at the Code, For whatever reason you do not consider that to
b'~,i¢ ~lune---, .- ~trea or Coastal Hazard area. I believe it to be. But we can
ta,]~ a.. ook at, th's, aga n and cons der what t can be. But t s def n te y
s~ard of~he Coastal Eros on ine Normally that Coasta Eros on L ne s
f~t~er s~award. This is in the road.
J~'~'- BE'FScH: The first thing that I would do is verifying that. It is
?r~,nge th~t~tr~e Coastal Erosion Line is in the middle of the road.
~$TEE ~RUPSKI: We thought that was first. We did not think it was
on?~here. ' Because we have never seen that on the road.
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TRUSTEE KING: When we got there we thought that they m~ght be close
to the line. We may have to move it back. Never realized that it is the
middle of the road. would never have thought of such a thing. Until you
see it in black and white.
FRANK NOTARO: Excuse me, I am Frank Notaro, the architect. We have
been in discussion with the Building Department in terms of howto best
address this. This issue never came up prior nor did it come up with our
surveyor either. I am a little perplexed? Only because there is a parking
lot which pretty much exceeds towards the water, John's property, It just
does no1 make sense. Here is John's dune. Then there is this entire
parJ~ing. 10t next door. Was there no. affect of th6 CoaStal EroSion I'[t~'e at
tbatlpar~:.Jot.~~ ~tlL Obviously there s no remenerits of what was.there.
TRO$,T~E~ ~R.uPSK PrObab y was put in long before. This is a Sta'te
(:;ode ~Jhat ,the~own adopted: in 199'f'. It is very re,c~at.
FRA~Ni~ ,NOTA~RO: Basical y what We have d~he is ~ make every attempt
to..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh So we would be happy to review this with you.
JUS~ to have the State verify with you. What they think is or is not a
~.astal Hazard area. Before you change the house plans.
FRANK~ NOTARO: It just does not make senSe in terms how changed the
aClj~ce, nt area tO the house is.
T~US'i-~ KRLtPSK t s someth ng that we saw. t is routine with us
a,p¥.sOu'n;~iproPerty where is the Coastal Erosion Line.
~NK~Z I~'(::~-ARO: We did not see that line either
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh It is parallel with the road. It drifts through the
~lropetty.
R. JOHNSTON: Did you challenge the surveyor if that is where it was?
FF~I~K NOTARO: We did and they said that it was verified there. We
s~v i~ on,the survey and we called John Ehlers and he said that it was on
the survey and he pointed it out.
TJ~LJ~TEE KRUPSKh How do you want to pursue this?
TRUSTEE KING: I would suggest tabling it.
MR. JOHNSTON: Tabling it and submit further information.
TRUSTEE KRUpSKh Try to get another opinion on this. I would call the
S~tate.
F~,ANK NOTARO: The Betsch's house is wedged in between Mc Cann
Road. All you need it on the other side and how can you have any dune
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will take a look at it. Contact the State. You
can call Charlotte.
FRANK NOTARO: Maybe we can get them down there. To take a walk
through. Basically where the house is right now. It relates more not to
the actually wetland area per say. The type of vegetation that is there.
Definitely a dune line is maybe fifty or seventy five feet towards the water.
Which I assumed was where the action was. We have a parking lot right
next door to us.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I was reading through the Code. If it is a secondary
dune.
FRANK NOTARO: You can see where it contours. There is substantial
contour change by the water. It kind of levels out.
TRUSTEE KRUUSKI: We will take a look at it and consult with the State
and see what happens.
FRANK NOTARO: We will give them a call..
JOHN BETSCH: You are saying that you will call.
FRANK, NOTARO: We are saying that we will both will call.
i?USTEJ~ KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to TaMe the application.
STEE I~I:N?~ Seconded.
MsTEE KRU'PSKi: All in favor. ALL AYES
1~. Suffolk Environmental Consulting, Inc. on behalf of AMELIA
MENDOZA requests a Wetland and Coastal Erosion Permit to re-
vegetate 4,900 sq. feet of disturbed area within the seaward edge of limit
of clearing and disturbance and the landward edge of top of bluff, with
Rosa rugosa (2 gallon pots). Located: 38015 Main Road, Orient, NY
SCTM#15-2-15,1
TRUSTEE KING: Anyone want to comment on this application?
MATT IVES: Yes. Matt Ives, Suffolk Environmental Consulting. I have
brought you the affidavits.
TRUSTEE KING: Any other comments on this application? I will make a
Motion to Close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the clearing plan as submitted.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
MATT IVES: Thank you.
12. Samuels & Steelman Architects on behalf of SETH & BARBARA
EICHLER request a Wetland Permit to add second floor to existing single
story frame house, to construct new two car garage, and new in ground
pool also to include repair of existing wood steps on bluff and deck.
Located: 17915 Soundview Avenue, Southold, NY SCTM#51-01-06
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone here who would like to speak
to this application?
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PATRICIA C. MOORE: I am not prepared to speak on this. 1 was
retained to do the Zoning application, expected Samuels & Steelman to
be here. If you have any questions. I may be able to answer them for
you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The pool in the back yard has to be caving in very
old.
TRUSTEE KING: The thirteenth is the latest plans?.
CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Yes they are the latest ones that have
come in
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to Close the hearing. Do
have a seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DiCKERSON: All in favor.
I will roalf,e a ~°tio;n to ApprOve the Wetland Permit to add second floor
to ex[st~ng single story'frame house a new inground pool that will
have a d¥'~ell for [he backwash also to include repair of existing
wood steps, on bluff and deck. Located 17915 Soundview Avenue
Seuthold N~
Do I ha~fe ~ seconded.
TRUSirEEK:~G:,b¢ Seconded,
TRUSTEE D OKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES
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13. Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of PECONIC DESIGN 8,
CONSTRUCTION CORP. request a Wetland Permit to do selective
pruning and planting of native wetland species to be done. Located:
Main Read, Southold. NY SCTM#66-2-2.2
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone here like to comment on this
application?
PATRICIA MOORE: Yes. Patricia Moore, 51020 Main Road, Southold,
The app!icant has completed the house. As you can see from your
'nspectiOn a lovely home has been built. What they would like to do. The
owner is to add vegetation to supplement the existing vegetation that is
there. There are two very rare trees that with some pruning I have
provided a letter from Robert Jenksen from Doroski's Nursery. He would
be doing the work.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We saw that.
PATRICIA MOORE: Rather than to prolong it I will stand here. You are
moving se quickly tonight I do not want to break your stride.
TRUSTEE KRIJ. PSKh Anyone have questions?
PATRICIA MOORE: You have the black and white in your files.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: have a question. The entire shoreline including
the prop'er[y next door is quite nicely vegetated. With wetland species it
ha created a nice buffer.
PATRICiA MOORE: t does have a lot of intrusive vines and it has been
recommended that they actually be pruned and cleaned up. My
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suggestion to them is that why don't you come in with a nice vegetated
planting plan. So that your Board would know precisely what is going to
be done. Rather than leaving it open ended. The rosa rugosa is in [he
wetland area. I think that the replacement with rosa rugosa and what they
can do is add something that is an ingenious species that are already in
p~ace.
NANCY KONGOLETOS: Nancy Kongoletos I own the lot next to this
house. I justwanted [o add that there is a lot of dead plants in that whole
area. I think pruning is certainly mandatory. There is some enormous
dead wild cherry trees and if you recall. The last time I spoke to the
Board. I was very concerned about the dead cherry trees .,~because it went
OVer last winter ~i I am glad that nO one was the~ at that time. BeCause
that"was an en~mous tree~ l'~just wanted to bring ~h,a~ tb your attention.
Th*ere is a' lot of, dead wOod n, [here do think that i~ is a dang;e~ous
teat;
The only comment that want to make. It is pretty
)le manicure a buffer area. As we did with the
earlier, That we have been pretty consistent with
IO ahead and manicure it. It wife open the door
We have denied people for different uses
think it fs important for the Board
I would agree with you. But you have to be
ctive too. Which is what the pruning we are not doing
people who do not know what they are doing. We are
~g to preserve some of the rare trees in there. My
: statement that we do not do it as a matter of
y belong on a case to case bases. I would agree if
out everything and manicuring it. Manicuring would
be things. But what they are trying to do is create a
, genous species that they are t~ying to plant. This. is a
plan. Probably a p an that s Ten Thousand Dol ars for the
SO'th,at is not something that people do as a manicure of
the, property. Ir'Is [o: maintain what is there and improve what is tnere.
Pla~t species tt-,atr~are favorable. They are indigenous species that you
should favor.
TRUSTEE KRU:PSKh But in some areas a lot of impact and in that little
pond there. You .have a pretty' natural shore line. The east side, the
north and all ar0,und the west side and we reviewed that on field
in.s. pectien. Thewhole shoreline has not been cleared or impacted.
P~A~RIOIA MOORE: What you would like to consider
TRUSTEE KRu!PSKh We are concerned with the fragmentations of that
who~e fringe of tha¢ whole waterway.
PA~R CIA MOORE understand that and appreciate your concern.
wear we could c~nsider I was hoping that Mr. Jenkins would be here. I
thought he was going to be here. It was my understanding possibly the
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area that you described could be planted with Rosa rugosa. That's south
of the flood zone. You have the average high water mark and you have
the area which is going to be planted with Rosa rugosa. That area 1
guess kept natural, But it is the area landward that does not have dght
now natural vegetation. It has vines that are choking Off some of the trees
that the town is buying areas and open spaces becauseof the rare
species of trees, So tf it makes sense to taka each case. Certai'nly look
at each case on a case bases. We are not trying to manicure and create
a lawn. What we are trying to dO is enhance the natural vegetation of the
wetland species that are there. We thought we gave ?u a p an because
(hat is . Jenkins. In rpreparihg th[S, plan. [ sa d it
sbbufd ~, endorse and ~w~tii~ i~ tb~be, a
Wewa~ to do ttf~ this
of
you
can
we~til
nO~
Rjgb~ no,Iii you
of a lot ofw;eCds, ;Fi;cFm where
Yeu have a fringe o'f weeds a~ ~hen Y*°u have
This
you. Are there any other comments?
Paul, Nahas, I understand what is being said it appears to
me Ethere ~te these rare trees in this en¥iroi~mer~t. They grow in this
e~V,i~ent nourished for a particular reasd~. Now yeti ar~ talking about
cl~].., n'~t" em/ironment tha1~ thf~se .... rare spei~es, have.grown n. rea y
Wc~kt ceflsider this.. Before making a decisiort of what's going On
TT~k yp,,u-
R~$'I:.:., ~ ~ KRUPSK '. Good observat on. Thank you.
P~;TiR[~IA MOORE: I would like to interject. I have an application that
Mr,!~'~ahas is personally involv~ed in which I am involved in He is not an
~:l~e~ irilthis area. We have submitted an expert opinion as to the value
~ ~e~etation that is there and the proposal. I would hope that our
eg.~el-t ~¢u d out Weight someone who has no interest in th s property and
,h,t:~ , , .' ,
~s,J~s{[ r~kfflg an ~ntrude statements.
TR;MSTE~ KRUPSKI: If there is no other comment? will make a Motion
tQ ~!~se l¢le hearing. We are going t,o, withhold our vote right now.
PCk~lOl~ MOORE: If yoe w~nt me to go to Mr. Jenkins and get
a¢c~ition~ c!ata I would be ha;ppy to do that.
T~JSTC_~IE i~RLIpSKI: That ~,ould be an amendment of the application at
tliat point.
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PATRICIA MOORE: I do not ~vant to amend it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh do not want to lead you on. Direct you in a certain
matter in the hope of the support of approval at some point of activity of
that buffer area.
PATRIClA MOORE: If you are inclined not to approve it. I would ask that
this hearing remain opened so I can provide additional testimony by expert
witnesses and my client can decided. What to do from that point forward.
It just seems at this point I do not have my expert here and 1 would like to
have him present to testify and create a further record.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Do I have a, Motion to Close the hearing. I will
~A~T~~ a MOtion ¢0 Table the bearing,
~C, IA MOORE: That is fine, Thank you.
TRUS~E KiN, G: Seconded.
TRUS~E K~MPS'KI: Att in favor. ALL AYES
14. Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of DR. WILLIAM LOIS request a
Wetland Permit for renovations to existing residence and detacl~ed
garage - proposed covered pomh along waterfront and all sides of house
8x15 addition on west side of house in line with existing residence,
dormer second floor, garage landward of existing residence, sanitary if
required by Health Department, raise foundation if required. Located:
58105 North Road, Greenport, NY SCTMCf44-02-08
TRUSTEE KING: Anyone here to speak on behalf of this application?
PATRIClA C. MOORE: I Pat Moore I am here to respond to any
questions. It is a relatively simple application. An existing residence that
is going to be renovated.
TRUSTEE KING: Conservation Advisory Council comments are.
Recommends approval with the following recommendations:
There is no encroachment seaward of the existing resident. Rip rap
should be installed to slow down the erosion. A mound and swale should
be instal[ed above the coastal eres~on hazard line to prevent run-off.
PATRICIA MOORE: I think that the np raft should be a separate
application. I know th'at there was an application at one time.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh It was a separate and approved application.
PATRICIA MOORE: I do not know the status of that one. I know that
Cathy Mesiano had applied.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am sure that is a separate and approved
application.
PATRICIA MOORE: I think that the concern was with the DEC. Whether
the ,DEC wanted to see rip-raft out there verses bulk heading.
TRMS'FEE KRUPSKh I think it was just a rip-raft application. It was
granted.
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PATRICIA MOORE: It was granted awhile ago. But, I am not sure if the
client. I do not know if he was prepared to build it out. It was being
suggested that dp raft be used.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Doubtful.
PATR/ClA MOORE: Doubtful what?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh That he would have received permission.
PATRIClA MOORE: Apparently, I am sorry I am getting this third hand
andC~[hy Mesiano has been out of commission. So I have not been able
to reach her t~) find out. I do not want to tie this renovation of the house
to the d'p raft beta, use they may go at different times.
TR.US3~EE KF~U,p~Kh W~ wer~'not tying [hem in,
PA,-I;;R!O[A~,~f~ MOORE: CAC was doing it.
TRe~ ~BG: That w~S{he~r cei~i:ments.
TRUS~ ~SKI: Thor, fi, iS drainage from the roof run off. Which stil
dra ,ns, out rite ,trio soun~ ~'r¢l t~at was a cond t on.
PA'I;'RlClA MOORE: On,~hich, e.ne~?, The permit that I was involved in.
This p~'oporLy I do rieL kneV¢., ~e~ ltave not started any construction.
~'RU;:S'?]'E'E K!~; There,,,~,-a¢,
: On t~i? hOuSe?' :We can certainly remove the pipe
"t;t~:;i¢(~i~ction taJ~e~ PBce. Ti~e pipes he mentioned. The pipes
~t off[he front of his lawn.
his lawn
ay are not a part of the vacant property.
They come right out of his house. That has got to
Where is the septic system?
The septic system right now is on the front of the
TF~TEE F(RUPSKh Which we would want to consider on the south
P~TRIClA MOORE: The south side of the house, They are not changing
~ nzJmber of bedrooms and bathrooms. So it maybe that the sanitary
sy~(e~ is adequate.
-¢~TEE KRUPSKI: If it is located on the south side it is out of our
jufi~,,~.ction anyway.
P/~'~ICIA MOORE: Because of the history on this. I put things in here I
k~',;that the garage is out of your jurisdiction. I did not want any
C6~atio, ns. I' included things that may not be included. No SWAT
tea~n~ oome, in. I do not need one of those phone calls. I will verify where
[he s~r)~tary'system ~s? My memory ~s that ~t ~s on the south s~de of the
h,o~tse.: ~he landward side of the house.
fREI~3TEE ERUPSKI: I would like to see gutters and leaders to handle
the-" roof-run,off here.
PATBIC;IA MOORE: If you want to include it on your permit. Just include
it a,'s 8 k-o,ndition of your permit. That is fine. Remove pipes.
TRUSTEE t(ING: Interesting to see where these pipes come from?
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PATRICIA MOORE: He mentioned pipes but never mentioned where
they came from? But he did not think that they were his.
TRUSTEE KING: Is there a possibility that he may be raising the house?
PATRICIA MOORE: I will explain that under the FEMA regulations, We
keep the housethe renovations to below the 50% ofth:e value of the
existing structure. The house does not have to be raised, However,
during construction when you have existing residences sometimes there
is riot and renovation wor~ that suddenJy you crepe UP over that 50% but
What I wanted to try to avoid is when you are right ~n the middle of
~ to th s, Beard to amend th,e permit to raise the
gu de[r~es' So n¢luded ,n ~hC.r~. HoPing that
~e total possible height?.
inches it requires
Let: me just
0¢ twefve. Agair~ [can provide that
ant then you have
use is in AE
It
saiys that you
of eernent blocks
Any other comments on this application?
g.
Seconded.
AI.I in fawr. ALL AYES
pplication with the stipulation that
going off the lawn be removed, drywell and leaders for
~ seconded?
AI~ in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Do I have a Motion to go back to the Regular
Meeting?
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will go back to the work session for a minute.
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Meeting Adjourned: 9:30 p.m.
AND FL~sD BY
Re~spectfully submitted bye: , ,
ariotte J. CL~-d'ningham
clerk, Board of Trusiees~
T~v,~_ Clsrk, Town o~
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