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1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK
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TOWN BOARD
4 REGULAR BOARD MEETING
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Southold, New York
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January 30 , 2024
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15 B E F 0 R E :
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17 ALBERT KRUPSKI JR, SUPERVISOR
18 LOUISA P . EVANS , JUSTICE
19 JILL DOHERTY, COUNCILWOMAN
20 BRIAN 0 . MEALY, COUNCILMAN
21 GREG DOROSKI , COUNCILMAN
22 ANNE H . SMITH, COUNCILWOMAN
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JANUARY 30, 2024 REGULAR MEETING 2
1 PUBLIC COMMENTS
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So that
3 is the agenda . Is there anyone here who
4 would like to speak on any subject
5 tonight? We did --
6 ROBERT DUNN : Robert Dunn, Peconic .
7 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And I
8 have to tell you, that we got an e-mail
9 today saying that that the public wasn ' t
10 -- that someone e-mailed us saying that
11 they weren ' t aware that the public was
12 allowed to address the Town Board or
13 make any comment . So we ' re going to --
14 That was -- it was an interesting e-mail
15 that we got .
16 ROBERT DUNN : That we weren ' t
17 allowed to make comment here?
18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
19 Right . They were under the impression
20 that we didn ' t allow it, but we do .
21 ROBERT DUNN : I am the perfect
22 example . Anybody who doubts it can move
23 you to shine most obvious part of me .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
25 you for doing it .
JANUARY 30, 2024 REGULAR MEETING 3
1 ROBERT DUNN : You said that the
2 piece of property buying, it is
3 currently woods ?
4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes .
5 ROBERT DUNN : Okay . I have a
6 problem when we buy open land and we
7 don ' t make a way of keeping it open .
8 And what ' s going to happen in 20 years .
9 I mean, I ' ll be gone, but it ' ll -- the
10 kids that are born in 20 years will not
11 know what I knew 70 years ago .
12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Right .
13 ROBERT DUNN : When I first came
14 here , you know, the open space and
15 beauty .
16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Go on
17 the North Road there and take a look at
18 it . It ' s a beautiful spot .
19 ROBERT DUNN : What I really want to
20 talk about is the telephone . I had a
21 short conversation with Jill about it
22 today . You guys were talking about the
23 cells . I don ' t know what they choose
24 and I think it ' s an important thing to
25 find out, what motivates them? Is it
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1 usage or income?
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I don ' t
3 know .
4 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Usage,
5 which translates to income for them.
6 That ' s what -- how I understand it .
7 ROBERT DUNN : Not true .
8 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Okay .
9 ROBERT DUNN : This phone is a 718
10 number . As is my wife ' s . As is my
11 sister --
12 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : But
13 you ' re still pinging off of their tower
14 that ' s here .
15 ROBERT DUNN : That ' s what -- it
16 doesn ' t get -- we don ' t get credit for
17 the money being --
18 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Oh, I
19 see what you ' re saying, okay .
20 ROBERT DUNN : Okay . In either
21 Suffolk or Southold . So there ' s -- and
22 there ' s a lot of people like me .
23 There ' s a lot of people -- what ' s your?
24 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : 347 .
25 ROBERT DUNN : 347 , 912 , 718 , 212 .
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1 How many people from Manhattan come out
2 here and don ' t even have a phone?
3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So go
4 see the clerk tomorrow and change your
5 phone number, please .
6 ROBERT DUNN : I mean, I would ' ve .
7 But it ' s a pain in the ass . And I got
8 go and tell all the guys who ' s in
9 everybody ' s texts .
10 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I never
11 change it . I still have my 516 number .
12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That ' s
13 a good point . Thank you .
14 ROBERT DUNN : My point is -- my
15 point is , we have a huge population out
16 here that has telephone numbers that
17 don ' t originate here .
18 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So
19 where does the money go?
20 ROBERT DUNN : They could be living
21 the telephone -- in other words , how do
22 they justify putting $ 100 , 000 into a
23 neighborhood? Is it just usage or is
24 while we got 4 , 000 phones registered in
25 that neighborhood, that validates it?
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1 So I just think if you ' re having these
2 conversations about the future of our
3 telephones out here , that question
4 should be answered . Because if it turns
5 out that they base it on area code , then
6 we ' re getting screwed .
7 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
8 you .
9 ROBERT DUNN : The dollar volume is
10 going elsewhere .
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We ' ll
12 check on that . Thank you .
13 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Good
14 point .
15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Anyone
16 else like to address -- Yes , Gwen .
17 GWEN SCHROEDER : Gwen Schroeder . I
18 just want to thank you all for putting
19 your confidence in me, and I look
20 forward to serving the Town and working
21 with you all . So thanks .
22 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Thank you
23 for your continued service .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Would
25 anyone else like to address the Board?
JANUARY 30, 2024 REGULAR MEETING 7
1 DAVE BERGEN : Good evening . Dave
2 Bergen from Cutchogue . A couple items .
3 First, on behalf of the Cutchogue New
4 Suffolk Park Commissioners , over the
5 past few years , the Town Board has
6 issued a Fireworks Permit to a property
7 adjacent to the Nassau Point Causeway .
8 And last year, we had asked that the
9 Town Board please consider, in their
10 discussions on granting or not granting
11 this permit . The policing of -- I used
12 the wrong word policing . Picking up the
13 garbage and refuge that ' s left on the
14 Park Beach . And it didn ' t get included
15 last year . So I want to make sure we
16 come ahead of time now . So if you are
17 to receive an application for fireworks
18 permit request for that same event this
19 year, if you could please consider the
20 inclusion of a requirement that the host
21 of the party picks up the trash from the
22 park that next day . And I appreciate
23 that . Changing over to Cutchogue Civic
24 Association . I ' m asking if there ' s any
25 update that can be provided on the
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1 moratorium on the best energy system?
2 As we ' re soon to be approaching the one
3 year anniversary of that moratorium.
4 And we ' re just interested to see where
5 that is at this point? Where -- I
6 understand as a committee that ' s looking
7 into developing code for this . But if
8 you could update us , please .
9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : They ' re
10 still working on it . So I can ' t say
11 with any certainty whether they ' re going
12 to meet the moratorium deadline . It ' s a
13 it ' s a distinct possibility that we
14 could extend that for them to make sure
15 their work is complete . This is a very
16 important -- obviously land use issue .
17 And we want to make sure that the Town
18 makes the right decision . So we do have
19 the opportunity to extend the
20 moratorium, if we want to finish the
21 work there .
22 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : And just
23 to be clear, I would support that
24 extension, if necessary .
25 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : We should
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1 get ahead of the game and pause to look
2 at it now .
3 DAVE BERGEN : Thank you . Because
4 we were going to ask if you ' d please
5 consider extending the moratorium if, in
6 fact , there is not code in place by that
7 anniversary date of the moratorium .
8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
9 Exactly . We want to make sure we have a
10 good product in place, and if necessary
11 code changes in place to react to any
12 other application .
13 DAVE BERGEN : Great .
14 PAUL DECHANCE : And if I can add to
15 that , we ' ve already taken steps to
16 request that extension .
17 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Great .
18 DAVE BERGEN : Thank you . The other
19 topic that we ' re approaching the one
20 year anniversary of my bringing this to
21 the Board attention, is the development
22 of code to address the clear cutting of
23 lots for construction of homes . And I
24 see smiles on faces , so I would be happy
25 to hear what your update is .
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1 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So we
2 do have a proposed code and
3 unfortunately with the transition and
4 everything else, it ' s just kind of not
5 there yet . I did present the code --
6 the new code, to the new members in
7 January -- in the beginning January . I
8 actually just spoke to Al about it a few
9 minutes ago . Saying I ' d like to, you
10 know, start talking about it in
11 February, but to be fair, Al has a lot
12 going on right now . And we have to --
13 we have a lot of other fires we ' re
14 putting out right now . So hopefully we
15 can start as a Board reviewing it . It
16 needs a lot of work . So, yeah -- so
17 it ' s moving, but very slowly . It ' s
18 moving as fast as a tree grows .
19 DAVE BERGEN : Well , I appreciate
20 the fact that it ' s moving, but you know,
21 it seems like every month there is
22 another property that ' s completely clear
23 cut for what ' s 200 lot coverage for a
24 structure . And it just becomes very,
25 very frustrating for the public to see
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1 this happen . And so I would just ask
2 for it to be on the priority list . You
3 folks have to establish your own
4 priorities and we completely understand
5 that , but just have it remain on the
6 priority list .
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : The
8 Tree Committee requests that we try to
9 move something before the Summer season,
10 but it ' s on our list for sure .
11 DAVE BERGEN : Thank you . And just
12 the last item from the Cutchogue Civic
13 Association on Thursday, February 22nd,
14 We ' re happy to have -- we ' re going to be
15 hosting Jill , Mark Terry, and Mara from
16 the Planning Department on the Southold
17 Town Community Housing Plan . So we ' re
18 looking forward to hearing about the
19 plan from you . Thank you .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Good .
21 Thanks for having that as a civic . It ' s
22 very important .
23 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Dave, it
24 was a real great presentation for the
25 Cornell shellfish update . So, Ann and I
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1 were grateful to be in the audience and
2 that was a good program. Thank you .
3 DAVE BERGEN : Thank you .
4 RANDY WADE : I would just like to
5 second -- Randy Wade, 6th Street,
6 Greenport . I would like to second the
7 concern about tree cutting . And I
8 learned so much reading the -- the
9 Suffolk County Planning Department . I
10 didn ' t realize they had some actually
11 good ideas . And one was for the
12 Enclaves that no more than 60% should be
13 of the -- natural features should be --
14 I can ' t remember how they said it, but
15 ruined for the construction . And the
16 response from the Town was , that ' s not
17 required in our code . So it would be
18 really good if you guys could think
19 about approaching it in a very simple
20 way and just come up with a percentage
21 and say that, you know, this percentage
22 must be -- and then unless there ' s some
23 construction problem, and then they
24 would have to remediate, and bring it
25 back to a natural state . But just that
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1 would be for new construction . And and
2 I was wondering if there was a place
3 online that I could see the draft? Even
4 though it ' s going to take a lot of
5 work --
6 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : The
7 draft is not out for public consumption
8 yet . It ' s very raw, and I need to get
9 some input from the Board .
10 RANDY WADE : Sure .
11 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : So when
12 it comes to work session, then it will
13 become public .
14 RANDY WADE : Oh, okay . If I go to
15 the Tree Committee, would they be
16 talking about it there?
17 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : No .
18 They put what they put into it, and then
19 we have to do the legislation part . And
20 I just need to know if it ' s in a form
21 where we can start moving forward with
22 it with some production and go to Code
23 Committee . And at that point, when it
24 comes to work session, then it will
25 become public .
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1 RANDY WADE : Okay . Wouldn ' t it be
2 public if it was that the result of a
3 committee meeting? Anyway, if you could
4 just discuss that . Because if there ' s a
5 way to get things out earlier, nobody
6 would say it . "Oh, this is terrible, "
7 but it would be a way to generate, you
8 know, better ideas to refine it .
9 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Sure, I
10 understand that .
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : What
12 we ' re trying to do, and we ' re moving one
13 code -- we ' re setting up a Code
14 Committee again . So it would be a
15 regular process for any kind of proposed
16 code changes . And that would include a
17 Code Committee that would be open to the
18 public .
19 RANDY WADE : That would be good .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Okay .
21 So it would be sort of internal first to
22 get it kind of polished up . And then it
23 would go to Code Committee, where all
24 the stakeholders would be involved . And
25 then it would be even polished up
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1 further by the staff, whenever
2 Departments handling it . And then it
3 would code a public hearing . So you
4 wouldn ' t start with something a public
5 hearing that everyone found
6 objectionable , and then going back . So
7 it ' s kind of --
8 RANDY WADE : I guess I would
9 encourage you to think about some kind
10 of process that isn ' t that because when
11 you get to the public hearing, you
12 really want it to be done . You ' ve
13 talked to all the people, your respect
14 and everything . And you ' d like to
15 finalize it . Whereas , if you throw
16 stuff out there that ' s just say this is
17 unfinished, it ' s informational ,
18 whatever, then you may be surprised .
19 There may be good ideas or whatever .
20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No .
21 That ' s what happens at Code Committee .
22 That ' s what ' s going to happen there .
23 RANDY WADE : Okay . Because I do
24 remember when the Tree Committee came
25 forward and I went to the meeting to
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1 thank them profusely . And then it came
2 to the Board and it really --
3 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Yeah .
4 RANDY WADE : So I hope it didn ' t go
5 in the direction it was headed .
6 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : No .
7 It ' s kind of the same . We just had --
8 Julie McGivney, our assistant attorney,
9 did a real good job in taking out the
10 fluff, the attorney fluff . Sorry, Paul .
11 And kind of, you know, simplifying it .
12 And now it ' s to the point where we need
13 to see you know, if it ' s too much, you
14 know . And we just have some fine tuning
15 to do before we put it out to public .
16 RANDY WADE : Okay . Well , I would
17 urge you to look at first from a
18 construction point of view when
19 somebody ' s doing a new plan . And then
20 second other towns do have a code where
21 if you want to take down a tree that ' s
22 bigger than or three that are smaller
23 but still a certain size, you need a
24 permit . I hope we get to the point
25 where you have to ask for a permit .
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1 Thanks .
2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank
3 you . Anyone else?
4 (No Response ) .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All
6 right .
7 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY :
8 Mr . Supervisor, if I can just
9 acknowledge a few people in the
10 audience, is that acceptable?
11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . :
12 Absolutely .
13 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : So I just
14 want to say thank you to Pastor Natalie
15 Wembley of Clinton AME Zion . And she ' s
16 going to do one of our invocations
17 coming up . And also Mrs . Lynn Summers
18 and also Deacon LeRoy Highlander . I
19 call them the "Amen Corner, " so I just
20 wanted -- And also I see that our
21 friend, our neighbor, Mary Bess Phillips
22 is on Zoom, and thank you also Trustee
23 Liz Galouly . Thank you .
24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : That ' s
25 very nice, Brian . Thank you . All
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1 right, if there ' s no other comment , I ' ll
2 take a motion to adjourn .
3 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : So moved .
4 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Second .
5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in
6 favor?
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
8 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
9 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
10 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye .
11 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye .
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1 C E R T I F I C A T I O N
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3 I , Jessica DiLallo, a Notary Public
4 for and within the State of New York, do
5 hereby certify :
6 THAT , the within transcript is a
7 true record of said Board Meeting .
8 I further certify that I am not
9 related either by blood or marriage to
10 any of the parties to this action; and
11 that I am in no way interested in the
12 outcome of this matter .
13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto
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