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1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK: STATE OF NEW YORK
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TOWN BOARD
4 REGULAR BOARD MEETING
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Southold, New York
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June 20 , 2023
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15 B E F 0 R E :
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17 SCOTT A. RUSSELL, SUPERVISOR
18 LOUISA P . EVANS , JUSTICE
19 JILL DOHERTY , COUNCILWOMAN
20 BRIAN 0 . MEALY, COUNCILMAN
21 GREG DOROSKI , COUNCILMAN
22 SARAH E . NAPPA, COUNCILWOMAN
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1 PUBLIC COMMENTS
2 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Okay .
3 Would anybody like to address the Town
4 Board on any issue , please feel free?
5 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Robert Dunn,
6 Peconic . As some of you will recall
7 over the last few years , I had a
8 conflict with one of my neighbors . This
9 is not about -- this is not about that ,
10 but during that process , I learned or
11 had reason to dive into our codes . And
12 I found a few inconsistencies . And I
13 just want to question you, or make you
14 -- A lighting Rule , 172 . If you go in
15 there , Page 4 of 8 , 172-5 stands for
16 exterior lighting . All exterior
17 lighting shall be designed, located and
18 lamped to prevent excessive lighting ,
19 energy waves , glare , light trends , and
20 unnecessary sky glow. All non-essential
21 exterior lighting . This is Number Two .
22 Shall be turned off within a half hour
23 after the close of business or when not
24 in use . Number Four . All area lights
25 shall be full cut off luminaries . B ,
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1 all existing B2 -- All existing new
2 residential , commercial and utility
3 exterior lighting shall not cause light
4 trespass and shall protect adjacent
5 properties from glare and lighting .
6 Excessive lighting . C , no luminaire
7 shall be located or concentrated so as
8 to produce a glare or direct
9 illumination across a boundary property
10 line . Nor shall any such light be of
11 such intensity as to create a nuisance
12 or detract from the use and enjoyment of
13 the adjacent property . That ' s a no-go .
14 That ' s just total bunk. I can take you
15 all over this town and show you examples
16 of it . And I shouldn ' t have to . I ' m
17 not on a town payroll . If we got a
18 code , we gotta enforce it . We were
19 talking about enforcement this morning .
20 If you got a code , you got enforcement .
21 If you ' re not going to enforce it , throw
22 it out . Because if you don ' t enforce it
23 and you have it , it kind of looks
24 foolish . Really does . Partially under
25 definitions . Partially we see that a
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1 light fixture is not fully shielded, but
2 incorporates a partial shield around the
3 lamp . In other words , it blocks the
4 light from annoying anybody else .
5 Unshielded fixture , a fixture which has
6 designed or installed, it makes all or
7 part of the light above the lowest point
8 of the light source . That ' s bunk too .
9 Because we have loads of people here who
10 put chain lights up . They ' re all over
11 the town . Now I know that that ' s
12 important to some of the businesses . I
13 don ' t have a problem with that . There ' s
14 a business , as long as it ' s 9 : 00 , 10 : 00
15 o ' clock, but it shouldn ' t be 11 : 00
16 o ' clock. It shouldn ' t be 12 : 00
17 o ' clock. It shouldn ' t be not a resident
18 who said we didn ' t turn them off , and
19 they ' re on all night . That shouldn ' t
20 happen . And we should enforce it . And
21 it shouldn ' t be up to a resident that
22 has to be the police . Because then when
23 the resident becomes the police , then
24 you get into conflicts like I had with
25 my neighbor . And that can get really --
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1 it can go down real quick in today ' s
2 world. We see 4-year-olds getting shot
3 on the street . Imagine what some maniac
4 might do to his next door neighbor? So
5 basically , I ' m just saying, as this
6 stands , it ' s bunk. The fixtures
7 themselves , if you recall , Sarah, you
8 had this and I stood here and said, you
9 don ' t need to show it here . You need to
10 make a poster out of them and put it in
11 the Building Department . Somebody ' s
12 approving these . Somebody ' s giving CO ' s
13 to these houses . I had to replace five
14 fixtures in reading this . I can ' t be
15 critical of somebody else , if I ' m not
16 living by it . I have five fixtures in
17 my house . They ' re all wrong . And they
18 were all put in since 2014 . So there ' s
19 no system whatsoever . I changed the
20 bulb . If anybody wants five old
21 fixtures that you can ' t use in town, I
22 got them in my attic . I ' m pretty sure
23 ( inaudible ) . So again, it ' s bunk .
24 There ' s no other way to describe it . If
25 we ' re going to have something that ' s not
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1 true , but not enforced, where everybody
2 violates , it ' s bunk.
3 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : Can I just add
4 for the record, sir? I appreciate the
5 fact that you ' re coming here and
6 bringing us -- bringing these issues to
7 our attention . I will tell you that
8 much of the resources of the Code
9 Enforcement and the Town Attorney ' s
10 Office is directed towards these
11 violations . I want to point out though ,
12 that some of the fixtures you ' re seeing ,
13 if they existed, prior to the time the
14 Code was adopted, are permitted. It is
15 only when they ' re changed -- If you look
16 at the language , its exterior luminaries
17 installed, replaced or repaired after
18 the effective date of the chapter . So I
19 know that it ' s hard when you ' re out to
20 make that determination --
21 MR. ROBERT DUNN : I see houses
22 that are going up that went up in the
23 last six months .
24 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : And I don ' t
25 doubt that that ' s accurate . I --
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1 MR. ROBERT DUNN : I ' m not going to
2 be the town bad guy .
3 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : Understood .
4 We do rely on the clients filed with our
5 office . To at least determine the
6 location of these . So that we can look
7 into them. And we have , in conjunction
8 with the Building Department , worked
9 with ensuring that before a CO is issued
10 or before a Lighting Certificate is
11 issued, that there is compliance .
12 MR. ROBERT DUNN : 5B . All
13 existing, and/or new residential ,
14 commercial , institutional , and utility
15 exterior lighting shall not cause light
16 trespass and shall protect adjacent
17 properties from glare and excessive
18 lighting . All existing . All existing .
19 Keywords . I ' m not a lawyer . I ' m just a
20 public --
21 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : And I am. And
22 I will again , that we ' ve consulted with
23 the Building --
24 MR. ROBERT DUNN : I ' m sorry?
25 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : We ' ve
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1 consulted with the Building Department .
2 They have inspectors . The inspectors
3 have been asked to confirm that every
4 fixture is compliant before the CO ' s
5 were issued. And again, we ' re going to
6 continue to work in that way . And
7 hopefully a little bit --
8 MR. ROBERT DUNN : That hasn ' t
9 worked . That just hasn ' t worked. it
10 just hasn ' t worked .
11 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : Well , give me
12 some time . Maybe it will work .
13 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Well , to speak
14 to that , our new Town Attorney , as far
15 as I am concerned is a light years
16 beyond the previous Town Attorney .
17 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : I appreciate
18 your understanding .
19 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Absolutely .
20 Absolutely . So I ' m not going to
21 question what you just said regarding
22 what you want to do . And I hope so .
23 And I just hope that you know that
24 people are aware of these failings , and
25 what they can lead to . My family was
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1 harassed for three years because our
2 last Town Attorney disputed this with
3 me . So enough said.
4 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : Call my office
5 any time .
6 MR. ROBERT DUNN : I ' m sorry?
7 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : I said, call
8 my office any time .
9 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Well , I don ' t --
10 I don ' t know where that goes . I hope it
11 goes somewhere .
12 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Let me
13 just comment on that . We did talk about
14 Code Enforcement that it was specific to
15 Airbnb ' s . And one of the problems with
16 Code Enforcement is not necessarily not
17 getting the enforcement done , it ' s
18 drafting code that might be well
19 intended, but that might not be all that
20 enforceable . The Airbnb changes that I
21 proposed today were a recognition that
22 we tried a few years ago , when we put
23 an Airbnb legislation in place . It was
24 clumsy and ultimately unenforceable .
25 The Light Code -- the Lighting Code ,
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1 does need to be revisited. There ' s no
2 doubt it was the first effort . Years
3 ago , a lady from East Hampton helped us
4 draft it . Since it was brand new at the
5 time , it might have been seemingly
6 sufficient . There ' s certainly
7 technologies advanced . We could sit
8 down . I know she has been advocating
9 for towns to update their Lighting Code .
10 And maybe that ' s something we need to
11 do . Rather than it ' s not just focusing
12 on enforcement , but it ' s creating code
13 that ' s more enforceable . And when you
14 go through some of that , some of this ,
15 it ' s so subjective . That would be
16 difficult . I wouldn ' t know if I was
17 doing the enforcement , if I was to go
18 out and determine that no such light
19 shall be -- any such light be of such
20 intensity as to create a nuisance or
21 detract from the use of enjoyment of an
22 adjacent property . I wouldn ' t know how
23 to honestly determine that . Honestly .
24 Because I don ' t know what would --
25 MR. ROBERT DUNN : I had someone --
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1 I had someone from the lawyer ' s office
2 at the time , whom you paid overtime to
3 come and visit my house at night . He
4 looked out the window at this light .
5 Yep .
6 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Then
7 they contacted the owner who directed
8 the lighting down . My understanding is ,
9 it kept working its way back up . But my
10 understanding at the time , it was
11 directed down . And I went out there at
12 night . And when I went out there at
13 night on two occasions , the lighting ,
14 the shielding was directed down . It was
15 bright light , no doubt .
16 MR. ROBERT DUNN : You may have
17 thought it was directed down, it never
18 was . If I can see it from my pillow,
19 pointing at my pillow, then it never
20 was . The fixture itself -- and I don ' t
21 want to make it about that one , because
22 I ' m going to be honest and say it , it ' s
23 gotten better . It has not gotten
24 perfect , but it ' s gotten better . Mainly
25 because it ' s not turned on as much . But
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1 nonetheless , full cutoff means you
2 shouldn ' t be able to see a light . You
3 shouldn ' t be able to see it . So either
4 change that word, pull it out , or
5 enforce it . Full cutoff means you
6 should not be able to see the bulb .
7 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : And
8 again, just -- and I think the world,
9 you know, that we ' ve gotten along a
10 great deal . We ' ve worked well
11 together . But one of the issues I have
12 seen is I go by at night , and I see
13 these houses , these new ones that are
14 illuminated on what seems to be
15 three-story ' s and 15 fixtures in the
16 front , and I don ' t know if that ' s driven
17 by vanity . If someone wants to show
18 their house off , or if they have a
19 genuine sense of necessity for
20 security . Because I find a lot of
21 people that , you know, and I ' m from up
22 west . I ' m not trying to disparage
23 people from up west , but they come up
24 from up west that tends to be fairly
25 illuminated at night , and they want to
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1 have that certain measure of comfort .
2 That ' s --
3 MR. ROBERT DUNN : -- why I ' m
4 here . Then don ' t come here .
5 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : It ' s
6 not for me to say that . Let me just
7 explain . I get a lot of requests for
8 new light fixtures and light poles ,
9 which makes no sense to me because I
10 don ' t like them, but I understand why
11 other people get a sense of comfort
12 from it . My problem is again, if I ' m an
13 enforcement officer, and I go out at
14 night , and I have a provision in here
15 that says the lighting that might be
16 necessary for security, that ' s
17 perspective . Someone that owns that
18 house might think they need that much
19 lighting for security . They built the
20 code --
21 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Their security
22 does not outweigh their neighbors
23 comfort .
24 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Then
25 let ' s get to the code , and let ' s take
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1 another look at the code because again,
2 when you talk about glare , you talk
3 about those things , they do get to some
4 measure of subjectivity . I hate to say
5 it , but it ' s true . I go by that
6 lighting . I don ' t know if I would
7 declare it a violation of the code or
8 not , because the code probably needs to
9 be revisited and language needs to be a
10 little bit more definitive . I ' m not
11 being argumentative . I ' m saying the
12 challenge is -- I went out and looked at
13 your lighting, because I was concerned
14 at the time . And I asked the Town
15 Attorney at the time who told me that it
16 was directed downward . When I went out
17 there twice it looked like it was , but
18 it certainly was very bright . There is
19 no --
20 MR. ROBERT DUNN : That Town
21 Attorney is the same guy that sat up
22 there , where the Judge is sitting , and
23 made the statement , well , it could be an
24 encroachment , but a lot of people
25 encroach . So I question his
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1 sensibilities .
2 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : On the
3 other issue , yes . But I can tell you,
4 that lighting was certainly very
5 bright . There was no doubt about it .
6 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : Can I also
7 add? Some of the issue may be
8 definitional because technically a full
9 cut-off fixture can be seen from another
10 property . It ' s not a --
11 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Not the bulb .
12 Not the bulb --
13 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : That ' s
14 correct .
15 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Not the bulb .
16 The light can be . Certainly any time
17 you put a light , if you put a light a
18 block away from you and it ' s shaded, you
19 will see the light , but you will not get
20 the glare . We have to live with one
21 another .
22 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : Understood .
23 what I heard you say earlier was you
24 can ' t see it . You can see that there ' s
25 a light . You cannot see the bulb .
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1 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Correct . The
2 bulb is what hurts people . Not the
3 light .
4 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : Understood .
5 MR. ROBERT DUNN : So you know,
6 it ' s -- it ' s just -- when you -- when
7 you have -- I ' m -- I ' m going to get used
8 -- I probably got 10 years on any one of
9 you . And we used to come out here
10 regularly . You all know I ' m from the
11 city originally , but we came out here .
12 First time I can remember coming out
13 here , I was about five . I ' d be around
14 1950-51 . And to this day, I can
15 remember the excitement I had at seeing
16 stars for the first time . That ' s gone
17 away . When I saw it at five-years-old
18 in 1950 or ' 51 , it is no longer here .
19 And after my father left , we didn ' t come
20 out as much . But I went to a Boy Scout
21 camp in Wading River . And it was still
22 the same thing . And I turned, laying on
23 the ground, and mesmerized by the
24 stars . One of the things I have on my
25 bucket list is to get to a desert . So I
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1 can see that again . But the lights are
2 killing it . And if you ' re going to say
3 things like , you know, the people come
4 out here and they want the security,
5 well then they should stay there .
6 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : It ' s
7 not -- I ' m not suggesting people from up
8 west are coming out and polluting the
9 night sky . I was just using that as my
10 example .
11 MR. ROBERT DUNN : I will .
12 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : No,
13 because there ' s plenty of people out
14 here that like to overuse the lights .
15 MR. ROBERT DUNN : That ' s true .
16 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : And
17 have been here most of their life .
18 MR. ROBERT DUNN : It ' s a
19 generational thing .
20 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Yeah,
21 it could be . But what I ' m saying is
22 that , again, based on your personal
23 experience , you might develop personal
24 perspectives or subjective opinions on
25 what that lighting represents . And for
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1 me , what I think is light intrusion or
2 light excessiveness , to other people
3 might be viewed as light security .
4 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And we
5 need to tighten up the code .
6 MR. ROBERT DUNN : That ' s fine .
7 And those people need to understand,
8 they ' re entitled to security on their
9 property . Not mine .
10 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Again,
11 that is a code imperfection that we need
12 to sit down and redo, no doubt . And I
13 think the Board would -- the Board
14 would -- but we ' re going to have -- we
15 have a speaker now and then we ' ll go to
16 you when he ' s done . We have someone
17 speaking . You ' ll go after .
18 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : I was an
19 electrician by trade . you see the
20 lights above you have wall washes that
21 direct the light to the wall . I don ' t
22 know, but in this day and age , I ' m sure
23 all outdoor lighting has something
24 similar .
25 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Okay .
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1 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : That might solve
2 this man ' s problem.
3 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I
4 appreciate it . Thank you .
5 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : We
6 have -- all right . Thank you . In the
7 code we have -- we have all that . Thank
8 you .
9 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : Like I said, I
10 was just going by, I missed the lady at
11 the tax office . Let me sit in and
12 watch commerce work, you know?
13 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY :
14 Okay .
15 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : So I ' ve been out
16 here all my life too . Thank you .
17 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank
18 you .
19 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : Just trying to
20 help .
21 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : No, I
22 appreciate it . Thank you .
23 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : -- in the trades
24 as an electrician . I thought I might be
25 able to help this man .
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1 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL :
2 Appreciate it . Thank you .
3 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Just for a
4 point , wall washing is prohibited
5 specifically .
6 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : Just trying to
7 help . To solve a problem and make this
8 pass .
9 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I
10 really appreciate the effort . Thank
11 you .
12 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : It seems like
13 such a minute thing, but to him it ' s
14 not .
15 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : And I
16 appreciate the spirit of it . Thank
17 you .
18 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : We ' re
19 going to let him finish up . Thank you .
20 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Finished with
21 the light thing . So now we ' re going to
22 talk about noise . General prohibition
23 180-5 . No person or person ' s owning ,
24 leasing or controlling the operation of
25 any source of noise on any lot or
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1 structure within the town shall permit
2 the establishment of a condition of
3 noise pollution . And there ' s
4 definitions . Noise pollution . E ,
5 interferes with the comfortable
6 enjoyment of life and property or the
7 conduct of business . The following are
8 deemed to interfere . And it goes on
9 with -- actually, yelling is wrong . And
10 just to show you that I ' m not a cry
11 baby, I listen to yelling all the time .
12 I live across the street from the
13 beach . So I ' m not ridiculous about
14 this . Kids make noise and that ' s the
15 way it is . Alrighty . In the end of
16 that , in the Summer of ' 21 , there was a
17 young lady in here . And she requested
18 that you do something about lawn
19 mowing -- not --
20 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Leaf
21 blowing .
22 MR. ROBERT DUNN : And you
23 specifically wrote a code . The
24 operator -- not withstanding in the
25 provisions of the ' 96 , following acts
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1 are declared to be loud, disturbing, and
2 unnecessary noises in violation of this
3 chapter . The operation of any gas plow
4 and leaf blower device by commercial
5 landscapers performing their work,
6 Monday to Friday, Saturday or Sundays or
7 holidays . After 5 : 00 P .M. or Sundays --
8 you know, in other words , you can ' t do
9 it on Sunday . And that was fine . That
10 was a good law that I think applied.
11 Although I think there ' s some other
12 things we can put it them. Yesterday --
13 not yesterday . Day before yesterday .
14 On Sunday , we had a clown for six hours ,
15 power washing a house with a motorized
16 engine . That ' s absurd. On Sunday . I
17 mean, okay, you want to do it on
18 Saturday . We got to live with one
19 another . But on Sunday? Six hours?
20 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Was it
21 commercial?
22 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Yes . It was
23 just landscaped .
24 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : This
25 law just pertains to commercial .
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1 MR. ROBERT DUNN : I ' m sorry?
2 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : This
3 law just pertains to commercial
4 workers .
5 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Well , that does ,
6 but I ' m just saying in general , that ,
7 you know, do we need that kind of noise
8 on Sunday for anybody? Should I do it?
9 No . I have a garage full of power
10 tools . They never work on Sunday . They
11 don ' t . It ' s just not allowed. I throw
12 them out . But here ' s what I see as a
13 really big problem. If you ' re looking
14 at that , B, which is -- there ' s 187-7
15 prohibited noise is evidence of
16 violation . B, It just has -- under B .
17 It says in the event of emergency , it ' s
18 determined by the towns people , you can
19 throw everything out . And that ' s fine .
20 I mean , if we had a hurricane and nobody
21 had power , and they had to run
22 generators 24 hours a day, we got to be
23 human with our neighbors too . But under
24 it , it says , editors note , this local
25 law also numbered -- renumbered 180-7
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1 through 180-9 , as 180-8 through 180-10 ,
2 respectively . But it ends on 180-7 .
3 And 180-8 , which was enforcement , and
4 180-9 , which was penalties , under the
5 previous laws , have now disappeared.
6 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Robert ,
7 I think I have a new job for you . You
8 can work in the Town Attorney ' s Office
9 and go through our code for us .
10 MR. ROBERT DUNN : What happened?
11 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I think
12 the problem is that , it was -- there was
13 specifications in each section of 280 ,
14 and I think it was all put together in
15 one section . So that all offenses in
16 280 were covered under one section, if
17 I ' m not mistaken . Paul , I will defer to
18 you .
19 MR. PAUL DECHANCE : And I ' ll be
20 happy to look into that . I want to see
21 what the draft was at the time it was
22 adopted. That ' s why I gave you that .
23 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I think
24 it has all violations in 280 are now
25 treated the same , rather than specified
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1 separately in each section .
2 MR. ROBERT DUNN : That ' s not what
3 the editor ' s note says .
4 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I ' ll
5 look into it .
6 MR. ROBERT DUNN : The editor ' s
7 note says , 180-8 to 180-10 , but it ends
8 on 180-7 .
9 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : All
10 right . We ' ll look into it .
11 MR. ROBERT DUNN : So basically
12 more bunk . If it don ' t work, it ' s no
13 good. And this don ' t work. I ' m
14 finished. Thank you .
15 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Thank
16 you .
17 COUNCILWOMAN SARAH NAPPA: Thank
18 you .
19 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Side
20 issue , when it comes to the landscapers ,
21 we have been reaching out and several
22 have been -- we ' ve been getting great
23 cooperation from several , who have gone
24 to battery operated. In most cases ,
25 when it ' s -- when it ' s feasible for
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1 them, they ' ve gone to battery operated
2 weed whackers and things like that . And
3 you know, Sarah and others have been --
4 you know, I know in the past , we ' ve
5 talked to the landscapers and stuff ,
6 and we ' re seeing a lot of them. It was
7 very difficult to compel them to it at
8 the time because the technology wasn ' t
9 there , but now they ' re all going
10 actually on their own with cooperation,
11 going into more of an electrical based
12 electric power -- battery powered . Not
13 all of them, but many .
14 MR. ROBERT DUNN : That ' ll be good,
15 but reality is , in many ways it ' s just
16 not right .
17 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : There ' s
18 some bad apples , no doubt .
19 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Not bad apples .
20 I mean , you just -- how do you , you got
21 a truck working 10 hours a day , how do
22 you keep the battery charged?
23 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : That ' s
24 the stuff they ' re working at . Those are
25 the challenges that they work. No
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1 doubt .
2 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Will it be
3 different 10 years from now? Yeah . But
4 I mean , you know, those batteries run
5 about $80 -- $80 bucks a pop .
6 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : There
7 are challenges , but the nice thing to
8 see , is that they are very interested
9 in wanting to do that . Wanting to do
10 their part . We ' ve had very good
11 feedback from many of them that were
12 trying .
13 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Nobody wants
14 complaints . It doesn ' t build your
15 business when -- when people are
16 complaining about you .
17 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : They ' re
18 trying to do the right thing I give them
19 that .
20 MR. ROBERT DUNN : From a business
21 standpoint , they may be trying to do the
22 right thing, but this practical side --
23 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : And
24 they ' re trying to balance that out .
25 MR. ROBERT DUNN : Business
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2 practical side is nobody wants to chase
3 away business . Thank you .
4 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank
5 you . Would you like to address the Town
6 Board on any issue?
7 UNKNOWN SPEAKER : -- for the help
8 before , I said -- I said my piece . I
9 appreciate the insight . I mean, from
10 the hall , I stepped in and you had
11 answers for me , and I ' m like , I
12 appreciate it . And if you shut me down ,
13 that ' s good.
14 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL :
15 Appreciate the insight . Anybody else?
16 Anybody on Zoom Land?
17 (No Response ) .
18 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Great .
19 COUNCILWOMAN SARAH NAPPA: Make a
20 motion to adjourn .
21 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY :
22 Second .
23 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : All in
24 favor?
25 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
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1 COUNCILMAN GREG DOROSKI : Aye .
2 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye .
3 COUNCILWOMAN SARAH NAPPA: Aye .
4 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
5 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Aye .
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3 I , Jessica DiLallo , a Notary
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6 THAT, the within transcript is a
7 true record of said Board Meeting .
8 I further certify that I am not
9 related either by blood or marriage to
10 any of the parties to this action ; and
11 that I am in no way interested in the
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