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To Me cormuissioner of Highways of the
Term of Southold, County of Suffolk, i'T.¥.,
The undersigned, liable to be assessed for
l~ighway labor in your town, hereby applies to you to lay out q higtt-
way ~ Orient, in said tm, m, as follows:
"The centre line thereof to begin at a point
on the Southerly side of the 01d King's highway distant Forty-four
feet Easterly, from the nearest bound-stone on said King's Higl~way,
and running thence South Fourteen degrees East Ten hundred and 9ixty
Eight 6/10 feet through tt~e several lands of John H. Young, Charles
L. Young, and Frank L. Young, tt~en on a deflection Right Sixty degree
and forty-five minutes Nine Hundred and Eighty-eight feet through the
land of Prank L. Yours, then on a deflection Left eight degrees and
fifteen minutes Two _Hundred and forty-two and five-tenths feet throng
the land of Frank L. Young and the undivided lands of William T.
Brown and John H. Brown and Lucy Brown, then South Twenty degrees
West Nine Hundred and Seventy one feet through the undivided landsof
William T. Brown, John H. Brown, and Lucy Brown, and the undivided.
lands of William T. Brown, John H. Brown, Lucy Brown and Elmira Tuth-
ill, then South Eighteen degrees West ~Wive Hundred and Seventy' one'
and seven tenths feet through ~he undivided lands of William T.Brovn~
John H. Brmcn, and Lucy Brown, then on a deflection Right Eighteen
?degrees Nine Hundred and Eleven and nine tenths feet through the un-
divided lands of Willi~ T. Brown, John H. Brovm, Lucy Brown, and
the undivided lands of Fannie M. King, t.¢artha E. King, E]~wa A. Tuth
ill, F~oda S. Young, Betsy-T. Young, Daniel Tuthill, Walter Tuthill,
Florence Potter, Rnfus Tuthill and Harm A. Terry, and the undivided
lands of Helen A. Terry, George Edwards, Edward Edwards, and Nathan-
icl Edwards and,t~e land, of Lucius H, Ha&look; tl~en on a deflection
Left Ten degrees and forty-five minutes Four Hundred and twenty-five
feet, then on a deflection Left Sixty-four degrees and forty-fi?e
minutes ~ive Hundred and seventy-two feet, then on deflection Right
62 ~'¢o ~H_undred and seventy-seven 5/10 feet, the last throe courses
and distances being through the land of Lucius H. :m~llock to the
Northerly side of Orchard Street inclusive. "and the said highway
is to be of the width of Three rods, which proposed highway will
pass through the lands of the parties indicated herein.
Dated. Orient, N.Y., April,MOth.
In th~ ,~,{atto~- of the Application of Pl~ank L.
Young, to Lay Out a Highway In th~3 Tdwn of
Southeld, N.Y, and the A.~essment of Damages
Th~Pefor,
To ~he Co~.~mmis.~loner of Highways, To'~m of Southold:
Please take notie,,e that pursumut to th~ highw'l¥ law
I will apply to the County Court of Suffolk County on tho :~9th. day
of April, 1905, ,ut Patchogue, Suffolk County, I.;.Y., for *' ~
~n:, appoint-
ment of a Commi,~s'ion J.n tho above entitled road trotter.
~ p~tl,~?~gnd~., 1905. Frank L. Young,
" f Applicant.
Notice is hereby given that the undersigned has made'appl~cation
to the Commissioner of Highways, of the Town of Southold, in the
County oP ~uffolk, for the ta$ing out and openir~g of a highw~y in
said to~m, co:~encing ,, the centre line t~reof to begin at a point
on ~he southerly sl~e of the ol~ King's highway did:rant 44 feet east-
erl~ ~om the nearest bound-stone on the said Kitty's hi~hvraF, and
running, thence south 14 degrees, east 1068 5/10 feet tl~rough the
several lands of John H. Ye%mE, Cl%~rles L. Young, and ~ank L. You~g,
then on a defl~ctlou rif~ht G0 de~rees and 45 m~nutes, ~SO f.3et throng
th~ land of Prank L. Young, then on a deflection left 8 degrees and
15 minutes 242 S/10 feet through the land of Prank L. Your~f~', and the
undivided lands of ~;illiam T. Brown, John H. Brown, and Lucy
then south 20 degrees %';e~:t 9~/1 feet through the undivided lands
';;tlliam T. Bro~'~, John I{. Brown, and Luc~r Drown, and tho undivided
lands of ~'il!iam T. Brown, John ~. Brown, Lucy B-own, and Elmira
Tuthill, then south 18 degrees west 5~1 ~;/10 fee% through tho undivid
ed lands of ~'llliam T. Brown, John H. Bro';~, and Lucy B~own, tl~en on
a deflection right 18 d~grees 911 ~/10 feet, through the undivided
lands of ~%rilll~ T. Bro~, John M. ~rown, LUcy ~ro%~fn, and tho
divided lmnd of Pannlo 14. King, ~dartha ~. King, Elmira A. Tuthi]l,
~oda S. Young, B~tsy T. Young, Daniel ~thill, %?alter ~thill,
Florence Potter, ~s ~h~thill, and idary A. TerrF, and tl~o undivided
lands of !-~lon A. TerrF, G.~orgo Mdwards, Ed;Tard Edwards and i~athanlel
Edwards, and the l~nd of Lucius H. Halleck, th~n on ~ deflection left
10 de~ees 45 ;~iu~tes 4~ Feet then on a deflect!on left 84 d.g_~es~
48 minutes 572 feet, then on a deflection right, 52, 277 5/10 foot,
the last three coarses and distances being through the land of Lucius
~I. Halleck, to the northerlM side of 0rchurd street, inclnsi~e.
~hieh propelled highwa~ will pas:~ throngh tho lands of John H.
Young, Charles L. Young, Frank L. Young, Yfillia~ T. Brown, ~ohn ~.
Brovm, LucF Bro~E, Elmira A. ~lthill, undi'~ided l~nds ef J;'a~mie
King, Nartha KinE, ~oda S. Young, BetsM T. Young, D~iol ~thill,
~Yalter Tuthill, Florence Rotter, ~s ~thill, '.~arF".A. Torr~,
divided lands of Helen A. Ter~M, George Edwards, lGdward Edwards,
Nathaniel E~M~rds, a~d L~clus H. L~allock,
and bM an order of the ConutF Court dated the 29th., ~f~ of
April,~.lg0E, Oscar F. 2~ning, Peter DiDl. le, and Uilli~:~ Rf Reimanu,
w~re appointed Commissioners to certi~ as to th~ nocessit~ of ~aid
propone~hi~.hv~ay and tc as~Or:s tl~.~ ~l~lqg0s by reason of ti~o laying
out and oponing of such hlghway;~nd that said C0~ul::slo~-~ers will
ell r~oet at 0right, in ~aid tov~n, on ~ho ~lst., d~ty of ~{~y, 1905,
1.00 o'clock In the afternoon, ~o examine tho i?opesed hi~jhvay nnd
hear tho Oo~:zmissio~er of !~lgluTays r~n(1 all otl~orr~ interested tl~::roin,
and to assess ~he damages If ~uch highway be determined to be ueces-
Da~ed this 17th., day of }.~ay, 1905.
l.~rank L. Young,
LoRoy E. Raynor,Esq.,
^~ pllcant,
Attorney for Applicant,
Notice is hereby given that the undersigned has made ,application
to the Co,'mmissioner of Highways, of the Town of Soutl~old, in the
County of Suffolk, for the la$ing out and opening of a highway in
said tovm, co..mmencir~g ,, the centre line thereof to begin' at a point
~on t~e southerly side of the ol~ King's highway distant 44 feet east-
erly from the nearest botu~d-stone on the said King's highway, and
running thence south 14 degrees, east 1088 5/10 feet through the
several lands of John H. Yo~mg, Charles L. Young, and ~rank L. You~.g,
then on a deflection right 60 degrees and 45 minutes, 988 feet throug
the land of Prank L. Yotmg, then on a deflection left 8 degrees and
15 minutes ~4~ 5/10 feet through the land of Frank L. Your~g', and the
undivided lands of ".~filliam T. Brown, John H. Brown, and Lucy Brown,
then south ~0 degrees west 9~1 feet through the undivided lands of
William T. Brown, John .H. Bro'~n, ,mud~Lucy Brown, and the undivided
lands of William T. Brown, John H. Brown, Lucy Brown, and Elmira
Tuthill, then south 18 degrees west 571 7/10 Feet through the undivid
ed lands of 'ffllliam T. Brown, John H. Brown, and Lucy Brown, then on
a deflection right 18 degrees 911 9/10 feet, through the undivided
lands of William T. Bro,'m, John H. Brown, Lucy Brown, and the un-
divided land of ~annie M. King, ~artha E. King, Elmira A. Tuthill,
Rhoda ~. Young, Betsy T. Young, Daniel Tuthill, ~¥alter Tt~thill,
~lorence Potter, l%~fus Tuthill, and ~ary A. Terry, and the undivided
lands of Helen A. Terry, George Edwards, Edward Edwards and Nathanlel
Edwards, and the land of Lucius H. Hallock, theh on a deflection left
l0 degrees 45 minutes 425 feet then on a deflection left 84 degrees
45 minutes 5?2 feet, then on a deflection right, 5~, ~77 5/10 feet,
the last three courses and distances being through the land of Lucius
H. Hallock, to the northerly side of Orchard street, inclusive. ·
which proposed highway will pass through the lands of John H,~.:~.
Young, Oharlee L. Young, Prank L.-Young, William T. Brown, John
Brown, Lucy B~own, Elmira A.. Tuthill, undivided lands of Pannie M~:!~",!.!~,'
King, ~.,iartha aing, Rhoda S. Young, Betsy T. Young, Daniel Tuthill,
Walter Tuthill, Florence Potter, Rufus Tuthill, ~ary~A. Terry, un-
divided lands of Helen A. Terry, George Edwards, Edward
Nathaniel Edwards, and Lucius H. Halloek,
~ and by an order of tl~e County Court dated the P~gth., day of
Aprll,~.l~05, Oscar P. Panning, Peter Dipple, and William R;~ Reimann,
were appointed Co~mmissioners to certii~y as to the necessity of said
proposeC-highway and to assess the damages by reason of the laying
out and opening of such highway;...and that said Co~missioners will
all meet at Orient, in said town, on the 81st., day of Hay, l~0§, at
1.00 o'clock in the afternoon, to examine the 'proposed highway and
hear the Commissioner of Highways and all others interested therein,
and to assess the damages if such ,highway be determined to be neces-
s ary.
Dated this 17th., day of ~.",ay, 1905.
Prank L. Young,
LeRoy E. Raynor,Esq.,
Applicant,
Attorney for Applicant,
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00unty 0curt, Suffolk Oounty.
In the Matter of the Application)
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of Frank L. Young,. to lay out a )
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Highway' in the Town of Southold )
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Suffolk Oo'tmty, N. ¥. ~-'td the )
Assessment of Damages therefor. )
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MINUTES
The Commissioners appointed in this matter by an
order of the County Court, dated April 29th, 1905, Oscar
F. Fanning, Peter Dipple
taken the oath of office
Poquatuck Hall, May 31",
and William R. Reimann, having fir~
according to statute, they met at
190§, in the Village of Orient,
Suffolk 0ounty, N. Y.,and having taken due proof of the ser-
vice of notice upon all the owners and occupants of land
through which the proposed Highway is to pass, and of the
posti~ of such notices, according to statute, and having
taken the notice cf appearance of LeRoy E. Raynor, Esq., as.
Attorney for the ~pNlicant herein, and Albertson 0ase, Esq..
as Attorney for the Town of Southold, and of Rufus Tuthill
in person, then proceeded to walk over and view th~~ p~opose~
highway and returned to the said Hall, place of meeting,
whereupon an adjournment was had to the 7th day of June, at!
the aame place at 2:30 P. M.
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Met pursuant to adjournment ~l~~ at Poquatuck
Hall in the Village of Orien~ 3vne ?th, 1~05 at three o'clo,
PRESENT: Oscar F. Fanning, Peter Dipple and William R.
Reim-~-, 0~mnissioners;
Appea~ances~ Albertson ~ase,
Town of Southold;
LeRoy E. Raynor,
plieant, Fr~k L. Younge.
Esq. Attorney for the
Esq. Attorney for the ap-
Mr. Raynor. Gentlemen of the Oommission, I wish to off~
in evidence the map which has been drafted, corrected and mi
by Counselor Albertson Case, Surveyor, and ask you to have
it marked "Exhibit A ."
which you gentlemen have
This is the map of the proposed
seen and looked over.
Map offered in evidence and marked "Applicant'
Exhibit A.~
Mr. A!bertson 0ase of Southold called by the applicant
being duly sworn,
Frank L. Youngs,^testifies as follows:
I am , surveyorfo~ the Town of Southold and I made thiel
map merked "Exhibit A" and I made the survey upon which it
based.
The proposed highway begins at its Northeasterly end at
what is generally known as the 01d Mings Highway leading
through the Island. It begins at a point on the Southerl~
side of the 01d Mings Highway, the line of survey being the~
center of the proposed highway, and that point of beginning
is forty four (44) feet Easterly of the nearest bound stone
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in the 01d Kings Highway. The proposed highway is to be thr~,e
rods wide (49-~ ft.). It runs from the point of beginning
South fourteen degrees East (S.!4° E.) ten hundred sixty eig~:t
and five tenths (1068-5/10)~feet of which one hundred fifty
four ~nd five tenths (1§4-~/10) feet pass through the land
of $ohn ~I. Young, .five hundred and ninety (§90) feet through
the land of aharles L. Young, three hundred and twenty four
(324) feet through the land of Frank L.Young, then on a de-
flection' right sixty degrees forty five minutes (60° 4§~)
nine hundred and eighty eight (988) feet through land of
Frank L. Young, then again on a deflection left eighteen de-
grees fiffteen minutes (18° 15') one hundred and six (106) fe,~t
through land of Frank L. young and one hundred and thirty six
and five tenths (136~5/10) feet through the undivided !and
of William T. and John H. Brown and Lucy Brown two hundred
and forty two and five tenths (242-5/10) feet; then on a
course South twenty degrees West (S.20°W.) four hundred and
~orty one (441) fe~t through woodland of the last n~ned own-
ers; then on the same course five hnndred and ten (§10) feetI
through salt meadow of the same owners, (they being half ownets
and in the other half of which Elmira Tuthill has a life in-
terest and Frederick Brackett, a minor under fourteen years
of age, owns the remainder,); then a~ain on the same course
twenty one (21) feet through land of the said Browns; then
again South eighteen degrees West (S.18° W.) five hundred an.
seventy one and seven tenths (571-7/10) feet through land
tthe said Browns; then again on a deflection right eighteen de.
~rees (18°) two hundred and eighty one (281) feet and four
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tenths (4/10) Ehw~ugh land of the said Browns; then on the
same course three hundred and sixty (360) feet through land,
owned in con,non by Fw~-y M. King, Martha E. King, Elmira A.
Tuthill, Rhoda S. YOung, Betsey T. Young and Mary A. Terry,
who each own an undivided seventh part of said property,
(six-sevenths of the whole); the other undivided seventh
shar~ belongs to ~alter Tuthill, Florence Potter and Rufus
Tuthill, subject to the life estate by courtesy of their
father, Daniel Tuthill; thence continuing on the same course
two hundre~ six and five tenths (206-5~10) feet through land
late of Helen A. Terry deceased, and left by her by Will to
George Edwards, Edward Edwards and Nathaniel Edwards, which
will is now in contest as to its proof; thence continuing on
the same course sixty four (64) feet through land of Lucius
H. Hallock; then again on the same owner on a deflection left
ten degrees forty five minutes (10° 4§') four hundred and
twenty five (425) feet; then again on the same owne~:deflec-
tion left sixty four degrees forty five minutes (64° 45')
five hundred and seventy two (§72) feet; then on a deflectio~
right fifty two degrees (§2°) through the same owner two hun-
dred and seventy seven and five tenths (277-5/10) feet to
the highway known as Orchard Street at the end of which line
a stake has been set down and its bearing relation to Orchar¢
Street will be more definitely shown hereafter.
I have computed the quantity of land taken from the sev-
eral owners by the proposed highway:
~ohn H. Young, approximately, 286/1000 of an acre;
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Charles L. Young, approximately,
6~0/1000 of an acre;
Frank L. Young ' 1 acre and 243/1000 ~f
an acre;
William ?. & John H. Brown,(woods) 656/1000 of an acre;
The Beowna and Elmira Tuthill's salt meadow 579/1000 of
an acre;
The B~owne again 969/1000 of an acre (broken land'
(part of it is good);
Fanny M. Kin~ and others, 409/1000 of an acre;
George Edwards and others, 234/1000 of an acre;
Lucius H. Hallock (I call it broken land) 5§5/1000 of an
acre;
Mr. Hallock again 96§/1000 of an acre going down along
the course of his road and through his cultivtted 1~
The length of the road is one mile and seven hundred and
forty eight (748) feet.
Examination by Mr. Raynor.
Q. Mr. Case, you have personally been over this and made a
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survey, as you have testified, I would like to ask you this
question, in your opinion would the road be a public necessi~;y
and a benefit to the town? A. Well, I will tell you
Mr~ Raynor, I am for the town, I stand for the Commissioner
of Highways more directly, and we don't like to take sides,
we do not like to appear as forcing the road or as opposing
the road.
Q. In general you approve of highways, that they are a bone
fit? A. I do.generally approve of highways and think they
are a benefit to the communities. All my experience is
that the town is benefited by the opening of highways. It t~
benefited very largely in most instances. Occasionally there
has been a road that has been laid out that was a kind of a
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side road that has not been used very much, but there is no ~
highway ( I have been in connection with roads in this tOWl~
for over thirty years, going on forty , and my father before
me all his life) and there is not a highway that this tow~
of Southold, if it were put to a vote, would want to go back
and clos$ it up( for money would be no consideration) not a
highway in this town, and there is hardly a highway in this
town but what is used to quite, an extent. Some of our side
roads; they are all used. I go about the town a great deal
and get off on some of the roads and I am surprised to see
people pass as much as they do. They seem to find a use fori
th em.
Q. The fact that this proposed highway would be used by the
farmers for the carting of their prodUce to Mr. Hallock's
dock and thus get out on Orchard Street would be a great
benefit, would it not, to the East enders? A. I should
think it would, be a great convenience.
Mr. ~r~n~ L. Young, the applicant, being duly sworn,
testifies as follows:
Examination by Mr. Raynor.
Q. Your name is Fr~n~ L. Young? A. yes.
Q. And you reside at Orient, Suffolk 0ounty, New York? A.Yes.
Q. And you are the applicant in this case? A. I sm.
Q. You made application for this highway on the ground that
you thought it would be an adm~antage and a public necessit~
to the village? A. I did.
Q. Have you viewed personally the proposed highway? A.Yes.
I have.
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q. Now about how long a distance is it, in your opinion,
the general length of the highw~V? A. One mile~ seven hun
dred feet.
Q. How would it benefit the village, this proposed highway,
Just state your reasons? A. Well it would benefit those
who are carting down to Mr. Hallock'a dock in saving distaE
Q. Well, those who are carting are farmers and residents oI
the town here, are they not residents of Orient? A. Yes si
Q. Do a great deal of carting duriv~ the season? A. ~hey
Q. Do you have any idea how many loads of produce are car
from ~he lower part of the village during the season, aboui
A. Well, I do not know, but there are a great mae
As far as I am concerned, I am only one of fib. teen or twez
who are carting down there. I suppose they cart somethiI
like five thousand bushels.of potatoes, something like thai
would
There are twenty or more farmers who are carting and u use
this road more or less.
Q. This proposed road has its terminus on Orchard Street?
A. Yes sir.
Q. A public highway? A. Yes sir.
Q. How much would it save, Mr. Young, by using this pro-
driving
posed ray instead of ~ ray IrP to the westward and takt
the other road? A. I thought it would save me nearly ~
mile. I have never measured it, but I think a mile on ~
load, and that would probably be if I carted six loads a ds
six miles a d~V driving.
Q. Are there farmers resiling to the East of you who wouldl
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use the road?
Q. How far to the East?
than that.
Q. Then you are willing to testify it would save the re-
sidents and farmers two miles a load? A. Yes, I think it
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q. By having this proposed road run from the Kings Highws~
Orchard Street it would save the farmers at least two milt
on a trip?
A. Yes siF.
A. Half a mile at any rate, and mc 'e
How far to the westward of your place do you have to co~e
A. Yes sir.
0ommlssioners. Would it save you a mile in'going or just
going and returning two miles a trip? A. Two miles a
round trip.
Q. To the farmers residing East of you it would safe fou~
miles on the round trip by reason of this proposed road?
they
You say two miles from ~here ~z live to the dock, it woul,
be two miles back? A. Of course, four miles about.
Q. It would be a saving of just the distance between where
~*s proposed road is to run and the other highway, is th~
a fact? A. Yes sir.
Q. Would it save them the same as it saves you? A. It
would sav~t~e~mur e.
Q. Well, then in your opinion, Mr. Young, this proposed
road is a public necessity is that a fact? A. It is.
Q. It would be a benefit to the villsge people? A. Yes
0ommissioners. How near to this highway do.you live Mr.
Yottng? A. I think it is called one quarter of a mile.
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0ross Examination by Me. 0ass.
Q. Now Mr. Yon~g, you are going to dedicate your land, are
you not? A. Yes sir.
Q. Well and some of the other owners, your two brothers,
Mr. 0harles L. Young, Me. John Young and the Brown Brothers
who own to the West of you, they.are going, to dedicate and
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Q. Well, you consider that the benefit to your property and
to your brothers, to the Messrs. Brown and Hallock is greater
thau the damage? A. Yes sir.
Q. Well, why do you think so, state your grounds? A. Welt,
I consider it worth fifty dollars a year to me.
Q. Well, you think it would also be a great benefit to the~
in ca, ting their produce to Me. Nallock's dock? A. Yes sir.
Q. And you think it would i~xm~X~ be a benefit to Mr.
ock equal to the damage for the laud that is taken, benefit
him in a business wa~? I. I do not know about that, he
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would not make much difference to him.
Q. Well, would it not be apt to increase his business fromi
the people East amd going through? A. I don't think it makes
very much difference.
to get on the road that leads to 'the dock now? A. Well, ~t
is about three quarters of a mile, I should think.
Q. How far is it from that road down to the dock? A. I
never measured, I could not s~V.
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Q. Well, you think that all these people I have mentioned
who ars going to dedicate would be benefited by convenience
in carting their stuff down to the dock there? A. I do.
q. Now about the salt meadow that Mrs. Tuthill owns with th~
Brown Brothers , how does it affect her, do you think she i~
damaged me e than she is benefited? A. I do not think
it would damage the meadow at all, I do not think it has a~
value, they never mow it.
Q. Do you think it is benefited by it? A. No, not at all.
Q. And you would say. her damages would be nothing? A. It
might be a benefit if there were a dam o~er it.
Q. Now, as to the land of William Young estate, Fanny King
and others, how do you think it affects them, do you think
it is a ben, fit? A. I should say land would be worth
twenty five dollars an acre more if the road going through
there makes it accessible to the market. In carting their
stuff down to Mr. Hallock's they had to go around a mile.
Q. You tl~ink then they should receive no damage? A. Not
Ve~"J much.
Q. How about the Helen Terry property, it takes between tw~
and three hundred feet?
Q. ~or what reason? A.
A. That would be benefited the
It makes it accessible to the
ket and makes the value of the land benefited. The benefit
would be greater than the value of the land that is taken.
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Mr. Lucius. H. Hallock called '~V the
duly sworn testifies as follows:
Q. Your full name? A. Lucius H. Hallock.
Q. You reside at Orient, Suffolk ~ounty, ~ew York?
applicant, being
A. doi.
Q. You own a large farm at the foot of Orchard Street, do
you not, in this village? A. I do, yes sir.
Q. Mr. Hal!ock, you have viewed this proposed highway, haveI
you not? A. Yes, I have walked over it personally and
driven over it.
Q. Now, will you explain to the Commissioners please, if ,
in your opinion, it would be a public necessity to have the
proposed road run from the Mings Highway to Orchard Street,
as indicated by the map which Judge 0ase has offered in
evidence? A. I think a public necessity for those along t
route and a great convenience for all. I am in favor of
roads in general. I find when they are laid out they are al
ways needed, and those who oppose them would, under no con~
sideration, allow them to revert if they would help it afte~-
wards. The object of the road primarily, of course, is to
benefit those land owners whose land lies in the vicinity
the shipping point because by carting there ~hey can reduc
the expense of cartage in making it shorter than in their mes
there are quite a number of lanes along that route and it is
liable to be worked to much greater advantage as time goesI
on.
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Q. In your opinion, how many farmers could pr$~$~ly use this
proposed highway? A. There are about six, I believe, right
along the route and then there are many living below me, upo$
connection will use it, although they would not use it for
all their business because they have facilities in the 'other
direction, but very often they have occasion to come down to
this dock of mine for ceal or for fertilizer and often bring
produce there.
another point,
It will be used a great deal, then there i
it would make aver$ fine drive -were a road
laid out leading to the West, all Orient would be benefited.
We ride a great deal more than we used to. A drive to thel
every one I
water and through the woods~is an addition and au~advantage to
place, certainly a place like orient where drives are so few
That would not be so much ~ at present as the utility Of
the road for business purposes.
Q. ~. Hallock, there is no highway now leading from the
01d Kings Highway right down to the water, is there,from, your
place, besides Orchard Street? A. No.
Q. Then from the Kings Highway there is no road running
down to the water? A. No.
Q. Now personally you ha~e a large farm there and there is
a great deal of travel is there not, coming and going? A.
Q. You sell a great deal of produce during the year and you
have reason to use the highway a great deal as well as the
public, now, in your opinion, it would be a public benefit
for the people of Orient to have that road, would it not?
A. Yes, it would, and for even larger reasons. There ie
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hardly a day goes by during the summer but what people
lrive through my place and then to have a drive leading off
to the eastward would be certainly ver~ attractive.
Q. 0an you give any idea to the 0ommissioners here about
the ~mount of potatoes or produce that~ would be carted over
a road like that? A. Well, I cannot say. I think Mr.
has figured up that matter. I can tell how much I have
handled but not how much would come over that route.
Q. Well, how much have you handled? A. Be~ides my own, I
have handled during the last summer, nearly thirteen thous~d
from the East~but most, from nine to ten thousand of it.
Q. Mr. Hallock, speaking about there is no other road goi~
down to the water except Orchard Street from the Kings High.
way, how much would it cut off to have this proposed road
run through from the Old Kings Highway to the water?
A. It would depend from what point you started it.
Q. Well, the applicant has got land both sides of the road$
off so much,
be affected,
ally.
but all the land lying South of
they would have to re-set their
A. His land lying North of the road it would not Cu~
the road
fences,praeticL
Now Mr. Latham from the point would have to go
a much greater distance, twice the distance, as Mr. Young
here. Those below here to the East, would simply , when they
come to this point~ take this new road, which would practic~
ally be the hypotenuse vf a right angle triangle instead of
going around the two tength~if they had to come way around'
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it would not save them the~ wiro~ distance.
Q. I would like to ask you this question, is the channel t
there all dug out and navigable water now in the creek, inch
harbor, to the shipping point? A. Yes.
Q. In your opinion then, there would be at least from fifte
to twenty farmers who would use this besides the general
public? A. I should think so, I have not counted them up.
Well, I do not knbw that there would be more than that, I
should think it would be mostlythose who would use that in
traveling.
0ross examination by Mr. Case.
Q. How long is Platt's lane, ~ ~_nns ~u~stt~rtiallylst~.atgtit
down, how long is it from P!att's lane ~here it strikes the
01d King's Highway down to your dock? A. Well, from that
point I sent my boy over that road to-day on his bicycle
with a cyclometer and he made it from the point where the ne
road or proposed road leaves the highway to the eastward to
Platt's corner three or four yards over a mile.
Q. A mile from the beginning of the road up to the head of
the road that goes down, Mr. Hallock? A. From Platt's cor~
ncr down to the wharf was three or four yards short of a mil~.
I~s about two miles alli~og~tl~er.
Oommi s sioners.
highwa,v? A.
Is this Platt's lane you speak of a public
It is down to my place.
Oross examination by Mr. Case.
Q. About de, ages, you are going to dedicate your land? A.Y~
I propose to.
Q. Well, you think in doing so the benefit to you wOUld be
greater than the damsge? A. Well, I think sc in the long
run. I do not think it would be at present, exactly, for I
have been able to get all the produce I really wanted under
the present conditions, but I believe in roads in general an,
! think in the long run the road benefits more than the land
is worth.
Q. How about the piece of property East of you, the Helen
Terry estate (it takes over two hundred feet in width across
their lot) ; how do you think that will be affected, do you
think the benefit will be equal to the damsge? A. Speak-
ing candidly, under ordinary conditions, I think it would be
ten times more~.e~*. ~'
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Q. By making it more convenient to get to your dock? /
A. They can reach my dock easily through their own to!ds,
where as if they come up to the road half a mile, it would b e
a mile and a half more.
Q. How about the next piece East, William Young Estate, Fan:xy
W. King and others? A. I think it takes a little more tha~
that.
stopped
If I owmed that property I would not have that road
for five hundred dollars.
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Q. What is your opinion, do you think that the property
benefited more than the damage? A. I think it is.
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Q. For what reason? A. Because of the convenience to get
to some shipping place; that is one reason; then I think the
market value of the property will be increased by the road
being opened through there. Market value increased for the
makes
same reasons,alt more convenient and then the time Will come
when land being developed, building lots will be sold off
along there and make a pleasant route.
Q. You are acquainted wi6h the Brown matter in which Mrs.
Tuthill has an interest? A. I know the situation of the
matter.
Q. How do you think Mrs. 'Tuthill is damaged more than she is
benefited, or the remainder of the land? A. I do not
think so. . I do not suppose they will ever sell that fol
building lots on the meadow but she has land above there whii
is valuable, and she can connect with this road. It would
benefit 'that land.
Q, Benefits it more than damages, if you count it either w~?
A. I think so,that is my Judgment.
Q. I* is practically valu~ess isn't it? A. The meadow is,
yes.
Q. Well
there is no trouble about them, the Youngs Brothers?
is my opinion.
then, you think also that the other properties East
Mr. Edward W. Latham called ~ the applicant, being
duly sworn, testifies as follows:
A. Tbs
Q. Your name? A. Edward W. Latham.
Q. You reside at Orient, Suffolk County, New York? A. Yes.
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Q. You are one of the
I have the honor.
Town T~ustees, are you not?
A. I be]
Q. You have seen this proposed highway?
over it, although I know the location.
Q. Well, now, Mr. Latham, I would like to ask you thim,
do you think this proposed highway, in your opinion, would
A. I have not be
A. It would be a convenience.
A, M~ 8~ i~S. We have been around
a public necessity?
Q. It has been used~
the old way.
Q. Well now, Mr. Latham,
I would like to ask you this quest
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ion
how far a distance would it save you from where you reside?
A. It can be arranged easily so that it will save me
three miles a trip, one and one-half mile each way, and I cs
easily fix that so that my confection with the highway down
here instead of taking all my produce up to the street,pret~
nearly a mile farther down, and then coming up around here.
I do not butt on the. highway, but the proposed highway will
butt on m~ farm about half way down the farm and that can ge
easily fixed so that I can bring my produce out and strike ~he
proposed highway at the foot of Mr. ~oung's farm here. It ~.s
if
something I~am very anxious for and4I testify rather strongly
you will ~nderstand it; there is a bit of selfishness back ~f
it.
Q. Mr. Lathsm, how many could use the proposed way to the
East of you and vicinity where you reside? A. About ten
farmers, twelve or ten who usually cart more or less to Mr.
Hallock.
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sir.
Then there are more who do go there sometimes? Ac Yes
Q. Would it be a convenience to cs~t coal from Mr. Halloc~'s
dock? A. Oertainl~, it would be a great convenience in
getting fertilizer and coal. He very often sends his boat
loads of fertilizer and lands on his own private dock where~e
can get it. .
Q. How many tons of fertilizer do you think is used from
here down to the Neck? A. We use quite a quantity. One h~-
dred tons of fertilizer does not seem to go very far.
Q. You think one hundred tons are deposited in that vicinil~$
A. Yes, and more.
Q. They could cart fertilizer and coal? A. Yes sir.
Q. Of course that would be a saving to you in case you got
A. I got
your fertilizer there as well as on the produce?
my fertilizer from Mr. Hallock's dock this year.
Q. How much did you use?
miles every trip.
A. Thirty tons this year, threl
Q. How many could use the road from the other side, Mr.
Latham; of course, you are acquainted with the vicinity?
A. Well, I have not counted them u~.
Q. Would you judge from fifteen to twenty could use it?
A. Well, a dozen farmers.
Q. Besides the public and the general interests of the toE?
Yes sir. i
Q. Mr. Latham, there is no highway from the Old King's Highway
all
leading down to the water and this would be the only one? Ajffes
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Street? A. Yes sir.
Q. Have you any other reasons to
road would be a public necessity?
necessity;
This terminates in the other highway known as Orchard
state why you think this
A. The use is the greate
there is a demand for it.by all these farmers, wh
it crosses over the foot of their farm is right on the' high
wa~ and if you have any practical knowledge in carting, yon
know it would be a great help.
0ross exsmination by Mr. 0ase.
Q. You are one of the Town Trustees, you are not inclined to
have the town pay any more damages than they ought to, are
you? A. No sir.
Q. You are acquainted with all these properties that this n~
road is laid out through? A. Yes sir, I know them all.
and on a~ cunt of the privilege of having a public highway.
Q. Well, you think similarly as to 'Mr. William Young, the
next piece? A. Yes, all of them.
Q. Ail of the lands would be benefited more than damaged an,
for the reason that it would afford them to save distance in
carting produce to the farm? A. Yes sir.
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Q. How do you think about that of the Edwards's, would the
damages be greater than the benefit, or ~.! vice versa?
I should think it would be a benefit. ~
Why? A. On account of the nearness to get to Mr. HalloSk's
~thill, do you think it has any value? A. Not much.
own too much of it to think it is worth very much.
Q. bo you think (the other owners, Browns are to release,
except Mrs. Tuthitl has a life inter~st there and some re-
mainder )
the town?
not.
Q. Is the d~ns~e more than the value of the land? A. No
Are you acquainted with the salt meadow of Mrs. Elmira
We
she or her successors should receive any damage~fro:
A. I do not think it is worth very much, no I do
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Mr. John H. Brown called
sworn testifies as follows:
Q.
Q.
proposed highway?
Q.
be
the applicant, being duly
You reside at Orient, Mr. Brown? A. Yes sir.
You have a farm here yourself and you have viewed this
A. I have.
Now Mr. Brown, in your opinion would this proposed highw
a public necessity for the Village ef Orient and convenie
ice?
A. Well, ag rest convenience.
Q. In your opinion then it would be a public necessity?
Q. Now, could you use this road yourself? A. Yes.
Q. Do you do quite a considerable carting down from Hallock'
dock? A. Yes, I suppose fro~ three to four thousand bart ls
we cart there every year.
Q. From three to four thousand barrels of produce every ye~?
A. Yes sir.
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Q. DO you live East or West of this proposed rosA?
A. Our farm is here
Q. How much difference would that make M~. B~ow~a, if yon h~
to go w~ ~o~d ~ia l~d ~.~i~ on the roa~ la it not ov~
f~ o~e t~a~d tS fifteen h~ed feet to ~. ~alloek~a
l~d pn~e proposed ro~? A. Yes sir. If we have to go ~o~
it is ne~ly one ~d one-half miles.
Q. ~at ~ould me~ about three miles ~e whole trip for
p~ticul~ l~d there? A. Yes sir.
vicinity? A. I
Q. You own land
road goes? A. Yes.
Would this road be used by most all Of the farmers inth!
think it would, more or less.
on the proposed route through which this
Q. You are dedicating your land? A. Yes.
Q. You think it is of enough necessity and use to give you
land for the purpose of a highway? A. I do.
Q. Now, do you oal. t your fertilizer from the dock here Mr.
Brow~? A. ~ot from Hallock's landing, no.
Q. You could do 'so if this road went through thel-e? A. If
particular braz~! we used were landed there.
Q. Then again, it would be a great benefit to use the propo
wa~ for carting potatoes and far~ produce~ would it not?
A. Yes it would.
q. Do you think there woUld be at least from fifteen to
twentyfl~lers use it, as you have heard testified? A. I
think about tha~, besides the general ~ublio and those who
w~uld drive through to see the farms and go to the water.
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Q. Will you state to the 0ommissioners any other facts th~
would show to the~ the utility of this road,Mr. Brown, outs~
of what you mentioned? A. Aside ~rom the saving of the h~
lng of the produce, I do not know as' it would be of any ben~
fit.
q. This would be the only road going from the 01d Kings Higk
waY to the water and woUld be a great benefit to people who
reside east of the proposed way and those .near by in the
~icinitY in saving labor and time, would it not? A. Yes.
Q. It would also be used for carting coal from Mr.
dock at the foot of Orchard Street?
hauled that way.
Q. By the down Easters::,
road? A. Yes.
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Hallockls
A. Yes, all coal would be
as we might term ~hem, east of thls
0ross Examination by MI-. Ossa.
.Q. Mr. Brown you are one of the assessors of this to~n, are
you not? A, Yes.
q. You have charge of all the asses~ents East of East
Marion, I suppose? A. Yes.
Q. PeOple must think you know something about value, you are
acquainted with all the lands this road passes through?
A. Iam.
Q. Well, speaking generally, do you think there is any one'of
them whos~,damage:~onld,b~ greater than the benefit? A. No
I do not think any of them are d~naged more than they are
benefited. I think they are all benefited more than damaged,
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with the exception of the Terry strip there, I do not know
it is quite as much of a benefit to that farm as it lies nc
they border on the road that goes down to Hallock's.
Q. But it t~kes a very small strip of their land, .it tends
to open them up directly to the dock. A. Yes. I do not
think it is any ds~a~e to that farm, that land: where it go
through is not valuable, the soil is not very good.
Q. Well, then, from your acquaintance with all these lands
you think the benefit is more than the damage. A. Yes, I
think so.
Q. Tell, state your reasons for your opinion; convenience I
suppose in getting tP the dock from the farms? A. Well, wi
the exception of the Terry strip, I fail to see that it
would be of very much benefit to that farm, but it is not
much damaged as it is held now. If they were to cut off t
west part of their farm to sell and the other part passed
be
in~ other hands, it would/\Just as much of a benefit as to
our farm or those of any one else.
Q. On the whole, you generally think they should receive
damages. A. I don't think it is damaged much.
q. What is land worth down there an acre? A. Well from
one hundred and fifty to two hundred dollars an acre.
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Mr. Gharlea L. ~oung called by the ~pplicant, bei~
duly sworn, testifies as follows:
Q. You reside at Orient, Suffolk 0ounty, New Yo~rk, Mr.
Young? A. Yes sir.
Q. You have a farm down in the East end, have you not, on ti
King's Highway? A. Yes sir.
Q. Is it located East or West of this proposed road? A.
it is la ated West, that is, there is a little strip of
woodland and meadow that is attached to land that I own rig!
in here to the West and the rest part of my land is on the
North side of the Kings Highway.
Q. Well, now Mr. Young, you have seen this proposed high-
ws.V, have you not, you know where it is? A. I know where
it is.
Q. You know the lands through which &t runs? A. Yes sir.
Q. I would like to have you state to the 0ommissioners whet~
er or not, in your opinion, you think the proposed road is
a public necessity, and your reasons. A. In the sense that
it would be a great convenience because it wil[ enable
n~nber of people to save great distance in carting their
produce~ a large part of which is potatoes.
Q. I believe you have made some estimate, that is,you have
B~en figi~,,in~ it over and how many farmers would this bene-
fit? A. Beginning with ~r. O. H. Tuthill, who is just a-
bout evenly divided in distance between Mr. Hal!ock's dock
the Point dock by way of the new proposed road, ~ who
would be the first one to receive benefit from the road,
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providing they were cart-lng either way, Mr. D. H. Tuthil!,
Fred Latham, Mr. Wetzel, Mr. H. B. Petty, Mr. Mulford or Mr
E. W. Latham, who has testified here, which is th'e same es
tate, Orange PettE, J. S. Petty, Allen Heath, Brown Brother
L. M. Young, John H. 'Yo,mg, F. L. Young and myself.
Q. Now, Mr. Young, do you have any idea what crops are
raised by these different farmers, can you give us a gener(
idea. as to potatoes?
0. H. Tuthill 17 acres potatoes
F. L. Latham 19 # u
(I have esked questions to get the number of acres
approximatelY)
Mr. Wetzel
H. B. Petty
Mulford or Laths
Orange Petty & Son
$. S. Petty
8-~ acres potatoes
10 u
20 "
20 # N
12 m
(a little variation, but approximately)
Allen Heath 10 "
Brown Brothers 42 "
L. M. Young 28 '
J. H. Young 8-~
C. L. Young § ' '
F. L. Yo~ug ~1 ' ·
Q. What would the crops average a year, what do ShsY,,yield
the acre, approximately? A.A.mini~um average crop
places two hundred bushels to the acre;a large part of thil
land is very good laud and will over-run that average. ~
Q. HaVe you figured it up? A. 248 acres, and an aver~
minimum crop of two hundred bushels would bring 49600
bushels, which it would be of advantage to move over this
road, providingthe prices ~ere the same a~ this dock $~ ,~t
other docks or points of shipment.
Q. In your opinion, do you think most of this crop would be
moved over this proposed road? A. A large part of it. This
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is the crop that would be rooted to his wharf over less dis-
tauce than to any other point of shipment.
Q. Now, what would it save in carting on this new proposed
road, Mr. Young, on an average? A. That is in the neighb
hood I should s~y of fifty thousand bushels because a
of this land would over run. ~his is bringing it very low.
Most all ~ff this land where the crops would be raised and
moved over this road would probably average m~e th~ two
hundred b,,-hels., because most of it is good land and pro-
duces over two hundred bushels on an average a year.
Q. You are counting the people who reside there? A. Just
the thirteen farmers, not including Edwards who borders onl
who sell
thisatheir own potatoes and move them to the Up~ street dOC
not included at aiD,the thirteen farmers outside of Edwards
Q. About what would it save in carting on this new proposed!
road if they had to go way around, generally speaking?
A. Well, the distance in connection with the
of
meam~eme~t~Mr. Rufus Tuthill who measured the distance frol
where the road started and to where the same distance would:
leave off in Mr. Platt's lan~ going down, and I meaa~teed the
rest of the distance, and the distance 5outh from where the
road leaves the Old Kings Highwa~ to Mr, Hallock's wharf is
four thousand three hundred and eighty two feet
(practically a little less than a mile~)
There is a public demand for that road, is there not?
A. Yes, there is a demand by all those people who use itt
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Besides the public
could use it also,
Mr. 0ass. What is the difference in the proportion of the
carrot crop and the potatoes? A. I have not figured on the
carrot crop at all. A large part of the carrot crop is
shipped from the upstreet dock.
Q. Mr. Young , you stated, I believe, that~ this proposed
road runs through a part of your land on the South of the
Kings Highway, there where it starts in; ! suppose you
dedicate that don't you, for the use of the road? A. Yes
q. ~here is no highway from the Kings Highway leading to t
water? A. No.
0ross examination by~r. 0ass.
q. What do you think of the question of damages, Mr. Young.
to these different owners? A. I don't think there is any
damage to any one of them, no sir.
q. What is your reason for saying so? A. I think every
piece of land through which a road ~aeses or adjoins or ii
in the nei~borhood of, is increased in value.
(Well it is damaged, of course, by the value
land taken, somewhat)
ir,
Of the
Q..YOU think the benefit wherever it goes thro~ piece of
land is greater than the damage? A. Much
Q. You are acquainted with all these lands? A. Yes sir.
q. Enow Just how the road runs or substantially so? A.
course, some of the farms are increased in value altogethe~
out of proportTon ,~' the ds~age to others would take perha~ s
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more good land in proportion to the value than they would
but there is not ~y one pie ce but what would be worth mcr.
with the road there than it would without it, even Mr. Edw.
who is next to Mr..Hallock, and in fact, from the lower p~
of hisfarm it would be Just as near for him to cart by
way of this proposed road and through Mr. Hallock'~ place
to the u~street dock as it would to go up to the Main Stre
~a~; even if he did not sell any produce to Mr. Hallock,
could get to the upstreet dock from the lower part of thai
farm with less distance than he could come up to the 01d
Eings Highway and cart up around through it and through
this way to the wharf.
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Mr. Raynor. Outside of the main dock here at 0rient,f.om
your place, and from this proposed road, is there any othe:
water privilege whereby the farmers can go to Cart fertili er
exce,t at the terminus of this street? A. 1~o air.
Q. Do not they ca~t from MI.. Hallock's dock coal and fort 1-
izer? A..~hey ship produce from there.
Q. It is used generalL7 by anybody? A. Yes sir. They
cart fish scrap and some fertilizer,of course, not a great
deal but anythl~ that is brought.
q. Anybody wants to pay freight, Mr. Hallock takes their
goods, don't he? A. Surely. /
Mr. 0aae. He don't get any mc~e business than he wants, do~s
he? A. Tell, I have know him to turn potatoes away.
Mr. Louis M. ¥o,,~, called by the applicant, being dul.~
sworn, testifies as follows:
a resident of Orient, Suffolk 0ounty, New York?
Q. Tou are
A. I am.
Q. You are well acquainted with the
proposed road runs, are you not?
lands through which the
A. Yes sir.
Q. You are also well acquainted with Mr. Lucius H. Halleck,
are you not? A. Yes sir.
Q. Now, in your opinion, is this proposed road a public
necessity for the Village of Orient, Mr. Young? A. Yes it
is, it is a great convenience. It would be a mecessity
for the reason thatit would be used mostly by farmers in
carting produce to Mr. Halleck's dock.
~. For shipment? A. Mostly for that reason.
Q. It would save generally from one to two miles on a triP?
A. Yes sir.
Q. ~am you state to the ~ommissioners whether or not Mr.
Halleck's is the only coaling place where coal is handled.
A. It is the only coal ya~ in the place.
Q. You have heard Mr. Halleck state personally about the
number of tons that are delivered there during the course o2
the year? A. AbOut six hundred tons.
Q. And all that is carted from Mr. Halleck's desk? A. Yes
Q. And ma~y of the people who purchase that ceal l~ve
beyond the East of t his proposed highway that goes to the
Point? A. Yes sir.
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state to the Commissioners?
cony.nj.nos as a drive-wa¥~
MI.. Young, is there anything farther you would like to
A. I think it would be a great
and the way we are 1® ated hers
there is only one street, which is narrow and that would be
only road to the water from the Kings tt~ghway.
and the people who
the
Q. It .would be a benefit to the public
live on the East end? A. Yes sir.
Q.
You could use that to advantage yourself, could you not
A. Oh, yes.
Q. And you do lots of carting during the sea, on? A. A g~e'
deal.
Q. Potatoes, fall crops &c. A. Potatoes.
Q. It would save you about a mile? A. Two miles a round
trip.
Commi s s iChOr s.
About how much proportion of the six hundred
tons of coal goes to those thirteen farmers dir. ectly bene-i
fired by this road? A. I c~t sa~.
Oross examination by MI.. Case.
Q. You are acquainted with the land through which this road
goes? A. Yes sir.
Q. What is your opinion about damages,
benefits are equal to the damages? A.
Q. To each owner? A. Yes sir.
Q. Why? A. Because it helps the farms
do you think that t~s
Yes, I think so.
in giving them a
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convenient way to get their produce off.
that
Q. These lands~we take? A. I think it would make the land
more valuable they pass through.
Q. Wh~? Because it is more convenient to get produce off
and fertilize~ and other matters there? A. Yes.
M~. LeRoy A. Latham, called by the applicant, being d
sworn, testifies as follows:
Q. You reside at Orient, Suffolk 0ounty, New York? A.Yesl
Q. You have seen the proposed new road., have you not?
A. Yes sir.
Q. Wh~re do youlive relative to the road here? A. East abo'.t
three quarters of a mile.
Q. If this road went through, all your cartiug would be
this new proposed road, would it not? A. About all of it.
Q. What do you cart? A. Potatoes mostly.
Q. How much of a saving would it be instead of going around?
A. More than a mile each ~ay, two miles a trip.
Q. And then there would be the East enders down here to use
the road in preference to making the trip way around, two
miles extra? A. Yes sir.
Q. Fifteen o~t wenty, would there not? A. I think so.
Q. Besides the general public? A. Yes sir.
Q. And then it would open np a nice road to the water, be a
great utility and benefit to the people who reside near o
at Orient? A. Yes sir.
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Q. Is there any other reason you think it a public necessi~
other than stated? A. No sir.
Q. You cart your crops , potatoes and coal,smd it would sam
you two miles a trip. A. Yes sir.
Q. And fifteen to twenty farmers would use it besides the
public. A. Yes sir.
Mr. James Henry Young called by applicant, being dui
sworn, testifies as follows:
Q. You reside at Orient? A. Yes sir.
Q..You know this proposed road, do you not? A. Yes, I know
of it.
Q. You have heard the testimony of Mr. Latham and the gentl
men here to-d~F? A. I heard some of their testimonies.
Q. Where do you live relative to this proposed road? A. I
live
to the West.
Q. Mr. Young, in your opinion, this road, if opened, would
be used by the people from the East and West here and by
many of the resident, of the Village, would it not? A. Yes
used by the Eastern people particularly, very much indeed.
Q. It could also be used as a driveway ~o thiner? A. Yea
8 iF *
Q. This would be the only road from the Eir~s Highway to
the water outside of 0rchsrd Street? A. ¥08 sir.
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Q. Mr. Hallock's dock is the only coaling place in town, ~ ~.;
here, I understand? A. It is the only permanent coali~
place.
Q. M~. Young, in your opinion, from your knowledge of the
village here, its affairs and the people, would this road
be a public necessity for the people here? A. Well, if
you interpret , it depends upon what you mean by necessity,
roads are often an advantage, but under the general idea o!
roads, useful roads, whY, I should con~ider it a necessity~
yes sir.
Cross examination by Mr. Case.
Q. What do you think about the question of damages to these
owners? A. Well, I do not think it will be any damage at
all to the people who own property along that highway. I
think it would be a benefit.
Q. Benefit far in excess of the actual value of the land
taken?
A. Yes sir.
Q. How do you figure that out? A. Well, from the fact that
it puts people who own property contiguous to this proposed~
highway in a position to get their truck to the market ~y ai
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much easier course,dmuch less cost to themselves as far'as ~
labor and time are concera$~ ~
Q. Convenience of time &c. A. Yes sir. And besides, therel
are some pieces of land along this proposed highway that
its
would be enhanced in value by, being opened.
Commissioners adjourned until Wednesday, ~une 14, 190~
at 2 o'clock in the afternoon at the office of LeRoy E. i
Raynor, in Greenport, New York. i
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Met pursuant to adjournment at LeRoy E. Raynor's Esq. offi
Greenport, Suffolk Co., N.' Y.
33 Main Street, on Wednesday, June 14th, 190§ at 2 o'clock.
in the afternoon.
PRESENT: Commissioners: Albertson case, Esq., attorne~
fo~ the Town of Southold ~nd I~Roy E. R87'nor,
Esq., attorney for the applicant.
Mr. Robert V. A. Fitz called by the Town, being duty
sworn, testifies as follows:
Examination by Mr. Case.
Q. Mr. Fitx, you live in the Town of Southold?
Q. At Peconic? A. Yes sir.
Q. You have been Commissioner of Highu~ay~ of this Town?
A. Yes sir, about fifteen years.
Q. And you have built quite a good many roads in the Town?
A. Yes sir.
Q. You are acquainted with the cost and expense
A. I think so.
Q. Through woods, Meadows and all kinds of land? A. Yes s~
Q. Have you been over the course of this proposed highway?
A. Yes sir.
Q. Well them, you have
what it would cost?
Q. Now, please state giving the general
figure the cost.
A. Now, there are two hundred
stumps which will cost
looked at it with the view as to
A. Yes sir.
items at what you
(200) square rods of
$ 15o.
A. Yes sir~.
of building~
?§
Commissioners: The removing, you mean? A. Yes.
Q. You mean by removing the stumps that you would put the
land in such condition the plow could be put in to work
A. Yes sir. There is a dam on Frank L. Young
Q. be widened, as it does not need to be raised it wi:
cost $ 100.
The dam on Lucius H. Ha!lock will cost $ 200.
to widen.
Now across that long strip of meadow (the
Brown property) it Will cost one ($1.00)
dollar a r~nning foot, $ 630.
The gutter ,in either case, whether we
bridge or tile it, would cost about $ 120.
Now grading and level*lng the rest of the
road I estimate at One ($1.00) dollar
a running rod, $ 328.
makes a to~al of 151§25.
Now, I can sa~ that ordinarily I take on the upland thro~
ordinary ground, ~0d~and etc. after the stumps are out,
fifty (50) cents a rod. If you have been over the road
you know it is all meadow and needs, more or less, to be
filled, so I estimate that at one ($1.00) dol'laE, a rod.
Mr. Raynor. Mr. Fitz, do you know how much work the far1
ers and the residents there are going to do on the proposed
highway? A. I do not. I met Mr. Young yesterday and wen'
over the road with him. He said he would be here and would
submit a document.
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to
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in tha ~,[..t~ of the Application
ofF ,q ,
r .nk %. ¥oun,~ r.o lay out a
Hi[hway zn ,~h~ To-¢?n of Southo!d,
S~tf!'o!k ~,ounty~ . ¥. and the
Assessmsn% of Dema~_,es therefor.
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