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Commenter P -1 October 19, 2020 OCT 2 3 2020
Southold Town
Planning Board
Southold Planning Board
Town Hall
53095 Route 25
PO Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
Re: The Orchards, 2595 Orchard Street, Orient
We are homeowners at 3780 Orchard Street, just a few lots east and across the street from
the site under consideration for the Orchard Development. The Environmental Impact Statement
deftly paints a seriously misleading picture of the impact of this project.
C -1 The proposal to place a suburban development of this magnitude in this location will
fundamentally change the character of this part of Orient Village. Currently, there is a feeling,
for the many residents who walk or bike regularly on Orchard toward Narrow River, of leaving
the village proper for a more rural environment, with houses set back or shielded by fences and
trees, punctuated by brushland and woodland. The area in question bordering Halyoke is an
important part of this feel. To replace it with five houses and a barn that is completely out of
proportion with existing structures in the Village is to destroy a fundamental part of the Village's
character. "View" is not a function of how far one can see but of what one sees. Everything
about this plan suggests a serious downgrade from natural beauty to manmade clutter.
C -2 The contribution to traffic also seems fundamentally understated. Whatever the database
that was used for the calculation, if one makes the reasonable assumption that these houses are
likely to be sold to young families fleeing the City, the assumption of fewer than two trips a day
per household seems absurd.
I do not envy the Planning Boards' challenge in balancing the right of property owners to
monetize their holdings with the interest of preserving what makes the Village special for current
residents. But this project — a brand new development of five houses mostly on smallish plots
relative to the surrounding houses, which will turn an attractive wall of brushland into a suburban
landscape that is at odds with the look and feel of the Village, all without conferring any
identifiable social good - - does not seem a close call at all. We urge the Board to reject this
proj ect.
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Margery and Ted Mayer
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Commenter P -2 Barbara Friedman
835 Halyoke Avenue
PO Box 11
Orient NY, 11957
November 2, 2020
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
And members of the Southold Planning Board
54375 State Road 25
Southold, NY 11971
Re: The Orchards Subdivision
SCTM # 1000- 21 -7 -3
RECEIVED
NOV 3 0 2020
Southold Town
Planning Board
I am deeply concerned about the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for the Orchards
Subdivision accepted for public review on September 28, 2020.
Two aspects of this project appear to not be code compliant:
Based on Town Code - Article XI Cluster Development 240 -42 - H.(4):
Roads, streets and rights -of -way may not be included in the calculation of the minimum
required open space.
The area of the conservation easement is based on 16' right of way for Lot #1 driveway. The
State requires a 25 foot clearing and in a letter dated March 6, 2015 the Town Highway Engineer
said the Right of Way should be 25 feet. The additional 9 feet of right of way increases the size
of Lot #1 to 1.4744 acres and reduces the conserved area by .1218 acres. This would bring the
Conservation Area below the 60% required threshold.
Based on Town Code Article XII Design Standards 240 -45 for flag lots:
D. Flag lots: The Planning Board may permit a limited number of flag lots in a residential
subdivision plat provided they're well shaped, they are generally larger than usual lots...
(1) to assure that the flag lot is of adequate size and shape, a flag lot located within the
residential zones shall contain at least the minimum lot area of the applicable zoning
district in which it is situated within the bulk of the lot, exclusive of the area contained in
the flagpole access strip.
Both Lots 2 and 3 are flag lots and they are NOT larger than usual lots. I am not sure what
"usual lots" means, but the average size of 17 abutting lots is 2.5 acres, based on current tax
maps. I would suggest that Lots 2 and 3 should therefore be at least the minimum required in R-
80 zoning which is 80,000 square feet.
Lot #2 is inadequately sized for even R -40 zoning, which requires a minimum lot size of 40,000
sf. When the 31169 sf access strip is deducted from the area of Lot 42, the result is below the
40,000 sf threshold.
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This subdivision should not be allowed to proceed without corrections to non - compliant conditions
and recalculations of conservation and open space areas for all aspects of the proposal.
Addressing the DEIS in terms of its response to the areas of concern outlined in the Positive
Declaration:
1. Impacts on Surface Water:
The Positive Declaration states "The impacts of the new sanitary systems proposed on down gradient
surface water must be assessed"
The DEIS suggests that Suffolk County Sanitary Code would yield 13 homes, and therefore 5 is a
mitigation of impact. Town Bulk Regulations would only allow 6 homes so the proposal should
not be held up against the County standards. The DEIS proposes standard sanitary systems and
merely states that since the SCDHS gave them approval, it must be okay.
C -5 To my knowledge, the DEIS does not assess the impacts of sanitary systems on down gradient surface
water at all.
2. Impacts on Groundwater
Positive Declaration 2a "Potential adverse impacts to groundwater quality and quantity could be severe
and boundless and must be assessed. The probability of the impact occurring is moderate and could
affect the area population"
According to the Southold Town Comprehensive Plan "Water supply projections indicate that
Southold will need additional water sources by 2030 ". 1 believe this assumes that the
infrastructure is in place to provide Orient with water from the aquifer areas included in the
Special Groundwater Protection Areas. Since that infrastructure is not in place, the sole source
aquifer In Orient needs to he protected too! According to the Comprehensive Plan, the pace of
"build -out" has already picked up, and the predictions of a few years ago should be adjusted for
the new normal of COVID -19, which has not only created more water demand from existing
houses being used full -time, but has also created an even greater urgency to build additional
homes on existing individual lots. Again the DEIS states that since the SCDHS gave them
approval it must be okay.
C -6 To my knowledge, the DEIS does not address the quantity of water available based on projected water
use for this project and the homes that share this resource.
In addition to the five new homes proposed, the DEIS states that the NYSDEC permit allows
maximum of 4 million gallons a year to be used for crop irrigation. This is a staggering number,
equivalent to 62 -120 homes. The DEC approval requires testing the irrigation well for salt -water
intrusion twice a year, acknowledging the threat of salt water intrusion.
C -7 The DEIS does NOT adequately address the site specific availability of groundwater for the proposed
use and there seems to be no consideration for water conservation. The DEIS does not address the
effects on the quality of the water for the area population. If salt water intrusion occurs in the irrigation
C -8 well, it likely means that there will be salt water intrusion in neighboring residential wells too. The
applicant should be required to identify the salt water interface and evaluate the impacts of pumping.
C-9 The proposed subdivision has the potential to impact the fresh water supply for the whole village. I
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question the DEIS statement on page 3 -6 that "SCDHS" approval would not have been issued had the
C -10 SCDHS review identified significant impact ". The SCDHS is looking at narrow legislated parameters
covering all of Suffolk County. It is imperative that the Town of Southold protect the available potable
water supply for the residents of Orient.
Positive Declaration 2d:" Assessment of potential impacts to groundwater from new sanitary systems
(pharmaceuticals and personal care products) pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers must be included.
Impacts to adjacent properties must also be discussed ".
C -11 The DEIS does NOT address the concerns for potential impacts to groundwater and adjacent
properties of discharge of pharmaceuticals, personal care products,VOCs, pesticides or
herbicides and fertilizers from the residential properties.
C -12 The DEIS does not address the use of fertilizers and pesticides except to say that "Best
Management Practices" will be implemented. There is no mention of Integrated Pest
Management. I am not a farmer, but I am told that sweet corn is especially susceptible to pests
and can require frequent pesticide applications (more than once a week). Is this really
appropriate in a residential area, and in particular within 100' of two private wells? The wells for
2650 Orchard and Lot #2, along with the irrigation well for the proposed farmland are within
100' of the proposed farmed acreage (these areas should be mapped, cannot be used as
farmland and should be deducted in all area calculations). Even with Integrated Pest
Management, most of the pesticides used to control corn pests are toxic sprays.
C -13 The DEIS does not propose the use of I/A sanitary systems, proposes a crop that requires an
C -14 abundance of fertilizer and pesticides and offers "turf grass" in the unfarmed open space. There is no
mention of how the new sanitary systems might mitigate the impact of the pharmaceutical, personal
care products etc.
Positive Declaration 2f. A discussion of the current groundwater quality, contamination and impacts on
the proposed action and adjacent properties must be included:
The water on the site was in fact found to contain excessive nitrates and Aldicarbs. The DEIS
states that the homes will require filters for excessive Aldicarbs. According to SCDHS private
Water Systems Standards 406.4 -15 if water exceeds MCL and treatment is required a "covenant
regarding water treatment must appear on all realty subdivision and development maps" I don't
see this covenant on any site maps. The test well for Lot 2 also exceeded the allowable for
Nitrates, and yet an I/A Sanitary system was not proposed.
What will the effects be on neighboring properties quality and quantity of drinking water? The overall
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Why is there no consideration given for conservation or alternative sources of irrigation water, such
as using drip irrigation, gray water recycling and rain water collection? Why isn't there any mention
of drought- resistant plantings or limitations on irrigation and fertilization for the areas anticipated to
be "turf grass." Why was a potentially water and pesticide intensive crop selected for farming? Why
weren't I/A sanitary systems proposed at the outset, and if the SCDHS has approved the site plan, will
I/A sanitary systems be required (after July 2021)?
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3. Impact on Agricultural Resources
Positive Declaration 3a "The conversion of farmland to residential use is INCONSISTENT with the Town of
Southold Local Waterfront revitalization Program Policies"
C -17 As mentioned above, the conserved area will not meet the 60% criteria for opens space when file
Lot #1 and Lot #2 are corrected for code compliance unless some building lots are eliminated.
C -18 The configuration of the conserved area is not conducive to agricultural use with several
notches that will be difficult to plant and maintain. Why is Lot #1 separate from the other lots?
Why is the designated area for the barn separate from the Lot 1 house? This does not seem to
conform to the intent of the code.
The DEIS argues that the sale of four homes/ home lots is necessary to support the agricultural
uses. When this proposal was first submitted, the owner said that this was going to be a family
compound, which presumably would not generate income to support the agricultural uses. Lot
#1, which has been presented as the owner's personal residence is not clustered with the other
lots, instead it is in the northwest corner of the site to take advantage of conservation
easements of neighboring properties rather than be clustered with the other homes. The split
cluster layout of the site does not suggest a family compound, it looks more like a plantation
except that the low lying land to the southeast will not be populated by farm workers, but by
wealthy second home owners who can afford 1 -2 million dollar homes.
C -19 At the planning board meeting on April 6, 2015 the owner stated that "we are not going to do spec
houses" and yet the DEIS suggests that is the intent. The owner should clarify how many houses he
intends to build himself, and will they be built on spec or for his family? The proposed layout appears
to maximize the profit from new homes, not maximize the continuity of the open space or its viability
as farmland.
4. Impact on Archeological Resources
Based on historical maps, this appears to be "virgin" land, never having been built on. However,
there are adjacent parcels which are included in the Comprehensive Plan for the Town of
Southold as having historic value. See attached documentation of the Hallock Farm, and
description below.
5. Impacts on Aesthetic Resources
Positive Declaration 5a. "The potential impact for the siting and scale of homes could be moderate to
large based on lot size."
While the DEIS indicates that the five homes will be "modest sized" with footprints of
approximately 1750 sf and overall square footage of 3,500 sf. Once the lots are subdivided, it
seems that the Town has almost no control over what will be built on the individual lots. There
is presently almost no limitation on the sizes of the homes, and while there are very stringent
oversight of what is built in the nearby Historic District, there are no rules at all about the design
C -20 quality of these homes. These "structural design components ", potentially very LARGE homes,
will have clear negative impact on the "visual quality and scenic resources" at the very center of
Orient.
Based on 20% lot coverage, the FOOTPRINTS of these houses can be up to:
Lot 1 approximately 11,783 sf (not including additional ROW acreage)
Lot 2 approximately 8,600 sf (based on current non - compliant plat)
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Lot 3 approximately
Lot 4 approximately
Lot 5 approximately
Total Buildable (House) Area
Barn footprint
Total Area of Buildings
9,960 sf
8,000 sf
8,000 sf.
= 46,343 sf
4,000s
= 50,343 sf equals 1.16 acres
Table 1 of the DEIS has the Total Area of buildings at .2927 acres, which seems to be based on 5
houses with footprints of 1,750 sf + 4,000 sf barn. Page 4 -10 of the DEIS states "A primary
purpose of the Bulk Schedule for Residential Districts is to ensure properties are developed in a
manner that provides the appropriate amount of open space between building lots with
appropriately sized buildings. Thus the size and location for each of the proposed homes are
C -21 limited" Unfortunately this is not the case, the houses can be almost unlimited in size based
on the Bulk Schedule.
Positive Declaration 5a continued: "Minimize introduction of design components (including utility lines,
lighting, signage and fencing) which would be discordant with the existing scenic components and
character)
On page 4 -10 of the DEIS "the project shall provide aesthetically pleasing views of the open
space and active farmland" Clearly, there will need to be an 8 foot fence surrounding the
agricultural land. The statement that this will be an "aesthetically pleasing view" of an 8 foot
fence and the owner's home in the distance, is highly subjective. For the residential lots,
C -22 landscaped buffers per 240 -43 are not indicated and potential hedges and fences are not
C -23 addressed. Additionally, the 4,000 sf barn is directly on axis with the view from Old Farm Road.
Positive Declaration 5a continued: "Protect visual quality associated with agricultural land, open space
and natural resources."
Two of the properties associated with the Hallock Farm are within 500 feet of the proposed
subdivision. These properties, along with several others just outside of the 500' buffer, are
indicated on figure 5.1 of the Southold Comprehensive Plan as listed by the Society for the
Preservation of Long Island Antiquities. The Hallock Farm was an innovative and prosperous
farm that helped shape the community of Orient. As I have mentioned in past correspondence,
Halyoake Avenue was formerly the driveway approach to Hallock Farm from Orchard Street.
Attached is figure 5.1 and additional information about the Hallock Farm Complex. The rural
C -24 nature of the Orchard and Halyoake corner is still mostly intact, and will be permanently
spoiled by the addition of four potentially massive houses.
C -25 This proposal does not "enhance the visual quality and protect scenic resources" and there are no
safeguards in place to insure that the structures that will be built will not seriously detract from the
C -26 visual qualities of the area. We would like to see a full visual impact study showing the impact of the
maximum sized homes and barn.
C -27 Considering the proximity to the Orient Historic District and to the Hallock Farm Complex, the houses
and the barn should all be contextual in design, restricted in height above natural grade, and limited
in footprint in order to maintain the aesthetics and character of the area.
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C -4 Based on design standards established by 240 -45 both of the non - compliant flag lots should be
eliminated.
7. Assessment of the No Action Alternative
These six points outlined in the DEIS are of questionable mitigation value:
1. "Return fallow agricultural land to productive use"
Is there anything stopping this owner from farming this land as is?
C -28 2. "Permanently protect 60% of the agricultural land comprising the subject property from future
development though an environmental conservation easement ".
Even more of the property could be open space or the land could be sold to a trust or individual who
would preserve all of the land as open space.
3. "Create new modest size residential homes to provide additional housing in the community"
C -29 If these lots are sold at current prices for real estate in Orient, they will not be modestly priced. The
estimate of cost to build these homes in the DEIS is very conservatively posited at $150 /sf. Homes
recently built in Orient are about twice that. So with the cost of land being around $600 per acre, and
the cost of a 3,500 sf home at $1,050,000, this is not the type of housing that Orient "needs ".
4. "Control of vegetation to enhance scenic vistas from the abutting roadways. "
This DEIS claims that the view sheds will be improved because the land will be cleared of overgrowth and
if no action is taken "existing vegetation would go unchecked and eventually consume the property ". I
don't believe anyone would object to the owner maintaining his vacant property.
5. "Increase the annual tax revenue"
C -30 This cannot be denied. However the increase in density and use of limited resources doesn't offset
this gain. The conversion of farmland to residential use in order to produce tax revenue on the one
hand is contradictory to the use of preservation funds to conserve farmland on the other.
6. "Removal of contaminants from the aquifer via filtration of domestic water for proposed homes"
C -31 While Aldicarbs will be filtered out by a system that is provided free to the homeowners- there could
be negative impacts from other contaminants.
The following concerns mentioned in the Full Environmental Assessment Form, were not mentioned
in the Positive Declaration:
C -32 Impact on Flooding
When it was farmed, the eastern end of this site was prone to ponding and flooding. While the
site is not in a currently designated FEMA flood zone, it is susceptible to storm surge. Part of lot
#5 is located within an area expected to be impacted by a storm surge 6 -8 feet above normal,
with the majority of the lots 2,3 and 4 in storm surge zone 3 (9 -12 feet above normal) .
https:// gis3. suffolkcouintynny .gov /sheiterlocator/
C -33 Impacts on Plants and Animals
While there may, or may not be any threatened or endangered species inhabiting this site, there
are certainly plenty of deer there. The DEIS suggests that the wildlife (squirrels, rabbits and
birds) will move to the adjacent conserved properties and then repopulate the site, avoiding
the subject of deer altogether. The 8' deer fence that will inevitably surround the farmed area
will not allow the deer to repopulate this site. As more and more fences are erected the deer
become more of a problem for homeowners who do not wish to, or cannot fence in their
properties, and to drivers as the deer dart across the roads instead of open fields.
C -34 In addition the street trees should not be in ROW- they are supposed to be on private property- see
Town Code - Article III Roadway Construction 161 -44 B.
C -35 This subdivision should not be allowed to proceed as proposed. We have owned our 200 year old
farmhouse for 26 years and in that time development has very slowly changed the character of the
Village of Orient. We are now at a tipping point where the pace of development has increased while
we approach a precipitous limit in resources. 7 acres of corn is a Trojan Horse that does not justify the
density of development outlined in this subdivision proposal. What is described in the DEIS as
"mitigation" is only the bare minimum required by code (and sometimes not even that! I believe it is
antithetical to the goals of the Southold Town Comprehensive Plan- Community Character and
severely detrimental to the beauty, character and sustainability of the Orient community.
Sincerely,
Barbara Friedman
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Commenter P -3
3180 Orchard Street
Orient, New York 11957
631 - 323 -3501
November 3, 2020
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
Members, Southold Town Planning Board
Re: "The Orchards" subdivision, SCTM 41000- 21 -7 -3
Dear Members:
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Planning Board
I live across Orchard Street from the property under consideration. I would like to call the
Board's attention to the history of the development of the original Hallock Farms
property, which is immediately across Halyoke Road from "the Orchards" and also to its
north ( Halyoke was originally a Hallock Farms road, and the original Hallock farmhouse
is farther along the road).
Some forty years ago a developer (Mr. Horowitz) proposed to build a pseudo - "colonial"
village of approximately 50 homes on the 60 or so acres of the farm. Ruth Oliva of Orient
was president of the North Fork Environmental Council, and the Council was extremely
concerned about the effect if this kind of intensive development on the fragile Orient
aquifer ( "too many straws "). The Council led a town -wide effort to halt this
development, inducing a variety of State and County officials to conduct extensive tests
on the property, leading to the recommendation of an extreme reduction of the planned
development. The result was a subdivision of the property into five and ten -acre plots,
with carefully separated building envelopes to prevent intensive draw on the aquifer in
any one area.
C -36 The analyses of the Horowitz property should offer a guideline for the development of
"The Orchards" property, which is for all intents and purposes identical. By this standard,
the property should support no more than two building sites, with carefully separated
C -37 building envelopes. Likewise, the introduction of farming is questionable due to its
intensive use of groundwater. The limit of "The Orchards" to two building lots would
also better conform with the present environment in this part of Orient.
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Fredrica Wachsberger
Commenter P -4 Robin Long Mayer
2265 King Street
Orient, NY 11957
November 8, 2020
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
And member of the Southold Planning Board
54375 State Road 25
Southold, NY 11971
RE: the Orchards Subdivision
SCTM #1000- 21 -7 -3
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Southold Town
Planning Board
As per the research conducted by fellow Orient resident, Barbara Friedman, the
proposal for the "the Orchards" development has many faults, not least of which the
following points which appear not to be code compliant.
C -3 Based on Town Code - Article XI Cluster Development 240 -42 - H.(4):
Roads, streets and rights -of -way may not be included in the calculation of the
minimum required open space.
The area of the conservation easement is based on 16' right of way for Lot #1 driveway.
The State requires a 25 foot clearing and in a letter dated March 6, 2015 the Town
Highway Engineer said the Right of Way should be 25 feet. The additional 9 feet of right
of way increases the size of Lot #1 to 1.4744 acres and reduces the conserved area by
.1218 acres. This would bring the Conservation Area below the 60% required threshold.
C -4 Based on Town Code Article XII Design Standards 240 -45 for flag lots:
D. Flag lots: The Planning Board may permit a limited number of flag lots in a
residential subdivision plat provided they're well shaped, they are generally larger
than usual lots...
(1) to assure that the flag lot is of adequate size and shape, a flag lot located
within the residential zones shall contain at least the minimum lot area of the
applicable zoning district in which it is situated. within the bulk of the lot, exclusive
of the area contained in the flagpole access strip.
Both Lots 2 and 3 are flag lots and they are NOT larger than usual lots. I am not sure
what "usual lots" means, but the average size of 17 abutting lots is 2.5 acres, based
on current tax maps. I would suggest that Lots 2 and 3 should therefore be at least
the minimum required in R -80 zoning which is 80,000 square feet.
Lot #2 is inadequately sized for even R -40 zoning, which requires a minimum lot
size of 40,000 sf. When the 3,169sf access strip is deducted from the area of Lot #2,
the result is below the 40,000sf threshold.
C -38 Additionally, of great concern is how over - development is going to impact our
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Ground -water as well as nitrogen and chemical runoff into our surrounding bays.
Remember Scallops? What goes next?
Orient has become a popular spot to visit and move to. And so the developers have
followed in an effort to profit from that popularity. We fear there is little thought or
care for the impact their "developments" will have on our beautiful town. Should we
allow this to happen? We want to prevent becoming simply the source of profit for
developers from out of the area.
Sincerely,
Robin Mayer
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From: Barbara Cohen <bjcohen @att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 8:42 AM NOV 220
To: Lanza, Heather Soutnoid Town
Cc: Terry, Mark; Michaelis, Jessica; Nancy Ferraris Planning Board
Subject: "Orchards" Subdivision - SCTM# 1000- 27 -1 -3 - Ferraris u mission or ec t N
Attachments: Ferraris - Submission 2595 Orchard St DEIS - Prelim. Plat - Nov 23 2020.pdf
Dear Ms. Lanza,
In advance of the upcoming Dec. 7th public hearing and on behalf
of Nancy and Mark Ferraris, resident owners at 3585 Orchard St,
Orient, I am submitting their response to the Applicant's DEIS and
Proposed Preliminary Plat.
Attached is the full document. Please confirm receipt. Thanks very
much!
Barbara J. Cohen
PO Box 391
Peconic, NY 11958
917.562.4290
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Commenter P -5
November 12, 2020
Brian Fuhrmann
Maria Marill
2620 Orchard Street
Orient, New York 11957
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
And Members of the Southold Planning Board
54375 State Road 25
Southold, New York 11971
Re: The Orchards Subdivision
SCTM # 1000- 21 -7 -3
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Our property is directly across from this proposed subdivision. We are concerned as to the
Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for the Orchards Subdivision which was accepted
for public review this past September 28, 2020.
There are specific aspects to this project that seem to be out of the local code requirements.
Some of which we present as follows;
1— That being that "roads, streets and rights -of -way may not be included in the calculation of
the minimum required open space" — It appears from the plan that due to including the
aforementioned in the proposal, the Conservation area set aside falls below the requirements
of sixty (60) percent.
2 — The flag lots proposed are inadequately sized based on Town Code Article X11 Design
standards for such lots. Based on current tax maps abutting lots should be 2.5 acres.
Further, it is clearfrom the DEIS that there must be assessed the;
1. impact on Surface Water
2. Impact on Ground Water
It is our understanding that the DEIS has NOT adequately addressed the specific availability of
groundwater use, and there seems to be no consideration for water conservation. We all are
keenly aware in Orient Village that saltwater intrusion into our freshwater supply potentially
impacts the entire area. The proposal requiring 4 million gallons per year for crop irrigation is
an extraordinary number that represents the equivalent requirement for sixty (60) to one
hundred (120) homes.
C -12 In addition, the DEIS does not fully address the potential impact of fertilizer and pesticides to
the ground water, especially since the corn crop proposed requires a once a week pesticide
application, which are potentially toxic to ground water and thus nearby well systems.
Has there been any consideration for drought resistant plantings, gray water recycling, drip
irrigation as options for water conservation? Has there been analysis to assess the potential
impact on neighboring properties drinking water and the overall demand requirement for
water in the area?
Our property stands on land that was many years ago farmed. There are high levels of nitrates
in our soil and thus in our well water along with other contaminant materials. All of this
requires the need for substantive in home filtration systems.
C -21 We are further concerned as to the aesthetic impact of the DEIS. Though the owner states that
"we are not going to do spec houses ", there seems to be no control in place as to what gets
built on the individual lots. Orient is a community that MUST require very careful thought with
respect to the how land is developed. Our concern, and that of other owners we talk to, is that
the threat of developers building "McMansions" will take away from the charm and aesthetic of
Orient. Recently, there has been housing development that if left unchecked will change
forever that which we all appreciate so much about our village. Once precedents are
established there is no going back!!!
C -26 Thoughtful consideration as to the visual quality of the property is essential to protect scenic
resources. Size (square footage, height) of homes, along with landscape, fencing should be part
of an overaI l visual impact study.
We strongly believe with others who have provided a tangible and comprehensive response of
this proposal that it is not aligned with Southold's Town Comprehensive Plan, Orients
Communities history and character, and thus must be modified going forward.
Thank you in advance for your time and consideration in reviewing and changing the DEIS as
currently proposed.
Best Regards
Brun Fuhrmann
2620 Orchard St.
Orient, NY 11957
Maria Marill
2620 Orchard St.
Orient, NY 11957
From: Lanza, Heather
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 3:16 PM
To: Michaelis, Jessica
Subject: FW: Sub division Orchards
Commenter P -6
From: DILORENZO [mailto:lorenzolake @optimum.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:47 PM
To: Lanza, Heather < heather .lanza @town.southold.ny.us>
Subject: Sub division
Re: Sub Division /Orchard Street, Orient
To Whom It May Concern,
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Planning Board
My husband and I are full time residents living on Platt Road for 20 years. The sub division in
question is behind us and it is a BIG question indeed. This subject came up years ago and was
denied for the same reasons it should be denied again along with more reasons than ever. The
landscape in Orient is changing quickly with large homes being constructed in the village area
including a 12,000 plus square foot home on Narrow River Road a half mile away from this
C -7 "subdivision ". The main concern is the water table. We have well water along with our neighbors in
the area. How much water is available before it is completely exhausted? And, you KNOW they will
be putting in swimming pools as well. Every new house being built in the area includes a swimming
pool not to mention pools being the new addition to the homes already here. The idea of five homes
being constructed on this property is preposterous and I am 100% not in favor of it.
Sincerely,
Laura Westlake - DiLorenzo & Dominick DiLorenzo
1340 Platt Road Orient, NY 11957
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Commenter P -7 Nancy and Mark Ferraris
3585 Orchard Street ♦ Orient NY 11971
nancyferraris @me.com ♦ 516.375.8149
November 23, 2020
Ms. Heather Lanza, Director
Town Planning Department
Town of Southold
Town Hall Annex Building
54375 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
ME
Via Email: heather .lanza @town.southold.ny.us
mark. terry @town. southold. ny. us
Re: Draft EIS for Subdivision Approval of
"The Orchards" - Dated August 2020
Proposed "Cluster" Subdivision"
2595 Orchard Street, Orient NY
SCTM # 1000 -27- 1 -3
Dear Director Lanza and Board Members:
We are resident owners of 3585 Orchard Street, a corner property at Halyoke Avenue,
opposite the subject site's Halyoke Avenue frontage (SCTM # 1000 -27 -2- 2.10). We
have been an active member of the Orient community for over 25 years and spoke to
this proposed subdivision in 2015, along with others in the community.'
The key findings and recommendations are based on a review of the application
materials (including both conditional approved and proposed plans) and the first Draft
EIS document, the subject of the upcoming public hearing on December 7, 2020.
Moreover, the following recognizes and is in full support of the recent submission by
Barbara Friedman (resident of 835 Halyoke Avenue, Orient; SCTM# 1000- 27 -1 -7). 2
Duplication and repetition is avoided, as Ms. Friedman's detailed response addresses
many specific issues in the DEIS, and are supported by the findings in agency reports
1 Public Comments (25 + pages) at May 4 2015 Sketch Plan Public Hearing provide cogent responses still relevant
today.
2 See Exhibit 1— Friedman Letter — Oct 31, 2020
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that confirm the proposed development generates multiple adverse impacts and
nominal mitigating measures are offered.3
Therefore, this submission aims to build on Ms. Friedman's analysis, revisit key issues
that haven't been addressed, and make comment specific to the Applicant's DEIS and
Proposed Preliminary Plat -- all clear evidence that the DEIS and its reliance on a
Proposed Preliminary Plat is very problematic and comes up short in evaluating the full
impact of the proposed development at the subject site.
Key Findings & Recommendations
A. Multiple Plans: Conditionally Approved, Proposed, and Premature
Referenced in the DEIS (pages 2 -3, 2 -4, 2 -12, 3 -5, 3 -6, 4 -2, Appendix) are different
plans used as a basis for different reports. The initial review reflected the "5 Lot" Yield
Map (6 -5 -2005) based on Existing R -80 Zoning, the Conditionally Approved Sketch Plan
(6 -15 -2013) (Appendix P) and the Existing Resource & Site Analysis Plan (10 -17 -2013)
based on Sketch Plan Lot Configuration.
The Applicant's significant departure from the Conditionally Approved Sketch Plan is
represented by the Proposed Preliminary Plat for Standard Clustered Subdivision (1 -21-
2015) (Appendix B). This Proposed Preliminary Plat does little to address the many
concerns expressed early on and are still relevant today. In fact, this Proposed
C -39 Preliminary Plat is a clear disregard for the goals for future land use and zoning
reflected in the Town's Vision Statement and Comprehensive Plan as well as County
and State Conservation planning.
Regardless, the Applicant's DEIS seeks to defend the Proposed Preliminary Plat and
fails to demonstrate its benefits. More proposed and premature plans are put forth in an
effort to provide mitigation and support for the proposed development scheme.
Existing Resources & Site Analysis Plan (11 -18 -2017) based on Proposed
Preliminary Plat Lot Configuration (Appendix C)
Proposed Subdivision Map with Corrected Building Envelopes (July 8, 2020)
(Appendix Y)
• Proposed Subdivision Map with Sanitary Systems and Water Wells for Suffolk
County Department of Health Services June 18, 2019 (Appendix G)
3 Planning Board Positive Declaration; Local Waterfront Revitalization Program (LWRP) "INCONSISTENT"
conclusion; Comments and requests in numerous Planning Board Staff Memos and other Town Departments and
jurisdictions, including but not limited to, Alternate Plans and Visual Impact Study.
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C -40 Plan Inconsistencies Abound - -- basic code compliance goes uncorrected, lot sizes
change, setbacks are modified and incomplete, irrigation well appears in different
locations or missing altogether. Furthermore, seeking review and approval by the
C -41 Suffolk County Health Department, prior to Town's SEQRA Determination, and
Preliminary Plat Approval, is presumptuous and leads to more confusion.
Planning Board clarification in assisting public input is required to define
purpose of December 7, 2020 hearing - -- are we to focus on the quality and
incompleteness of the DEIS document, or the Proposed Preliminary Plat, or both?
Even though much work has been done and this Proposed Preliminary Plat has
served as the basis for the Town s SEQRA Positive Declaration dated July 6,
2015, the LRWP Assessment dated April 15, 2015, and review by various
agencies, it is critical that the Planning Board stay firm in its recognition of the
shortcomings of the Proposed Preliminary Plat and current DEIS and work further
to demand better from the Applicant.
C -42 The Applicant s impatience and reluctance to respond to key issues should not
replace nor lessen the Planning Department s authority to make plan
modifications according to Article IX Cluster Development, Section 240 -42 A. The
Preliminary Plat Review phase of the subdivision approval process is critical to
shaping the final subdivision map of the subject site and reflects the Town s
commitment to the fundamental guiding principles for rational and appropriate
land development.
B. Balancing Developer Profits and Town Vision
C -43 The subject site at 13.3 acres is currently guided by the area's R -80 zoning district and
is informed by its historical context and the goals represented by the Village of Orient
Historic District with its eastern boundary at Tabor Road, just 880 feet from the subject
C -44 site. Moreover, the surrounding properties defining the existing neighborhood character
reflect lot sizes between 1.5 acres to 6 acres providing a rural, not suburban, landscape
profile. The initial Yield Map for 5 Lots combined with the goals of the Cluster
subdivision approach applied to the larger than 7 acre subject site has put the
Applicant /Developer interests and the Town's Vision at odds with each other.
Source of Conflict: Number of Lots, Lot Sizes and Split Cluster Configuration
The determination by the Applicant to achieve 5 residential lots utilizing the R -40 lot size
and setback criteria is at the expense of the natural and scenic values of the open
space goals of the Cluster development provision and the Town's Vision. As discussed
C -45 below, it is even questionable as to whether the Cluster development approach, yielding
only 8 acres of open space (including a 4,000 sf Barn building), is the best thinking for
the development of the site and its impact on the community. Even though the Cluster
provision allows for modification of the underlying zoning district, the key elements of
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the existing R -80 district (minimum 2 acre lot size and deeper setbacks) should not be
abandoned in its entirety.
In considering any proposed plan, it is essential to envision the full build -out and the
C -46 desire of developer and prospective homeowners to build to the maximum and then to
ensure privacy. Once setbacks are defined, the allowable buildable area, following the
shape of the lot, sets the parameters for design and construction. With small lot sizes
C -47 as presented in the Proposed Preliminary Plat, the building lots may be predisposed to
seek ZBA waivers to reduce setbacks and other requirements to accommodate a large
house, pool, cabana /other accessory structures, and possible tennis court on a site An
undersized lot as defined by a subdivision can become the "hardship" justification for
granting the variance, increase levels of activity on each site, prompting evergreen
screening along property lines for privacy and noise buffers.
For example, in the Proposed Preliminary Plan, the full build -out scenario for the very
C -48 crowded east and southeast portion of the subject site would result in negating any
historical reference to "famous" Hallock Farm and its Halyoke Avenue approach and
natural or scenic values along the 701 feet of combined Halyoke Avenue frontage and
the Orchard Street portion east of the existing house on Lot 4.4
Any scenic value associated with the remaining Orchard Street frontage (approximately
C -49 400 feet west of Lot 4) is similarly diminished as 8 foot high deer fencing would
surround all of Lot 1 (residential house, agricultural barn, and open space), the driveway
entrance and gate, the residential building on a 1.35 acre lot and the separate 4,000
square foot barn all stand in the way and interrupt any scenic value perceived to be
gained by the relatively small (under 8 acres) open space under the "cluster"
configuration of the subject site lots.
The split - cluster lot configuration created by allowing a larger residential building lot,
C -50 agricultural building and access road, all as part of the privately -held Lot 1, is excessive
and unacceptable, as all the benefits go to the Applicant /Developer with none to the
Town.
Moreover, the owner of Lot 1 not only gets value from the residential building on the
largest lot with the most surrounding open space, but also can gain additional income
by leasing the farmland portion the site. Finally, the owner of Lot 1 can benefit
financially from either income tax credits or generate cash by selling the open space
conservation easement to a land trust.5
Without further discussion of the serious negative impact on water supply and quality as
well as the important role the Open Space Conservation Easement document to define
C -51 restrictions, the Proposed Preliminary Plat (1 -21 -2015) itself clearly demonstrates that
the benefits to the Applicant /Developer far exceeds the Town's nominal increase in the
property tax base.
4 See Exhibit 2 — Hallock Farm; Cultural Resources; Historic Bldg Inventory
s See Exhibit 3 — "14 Conservation Easements Pros and Cons (2020) You Should Know"
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We strongly suggest that the Planning Board use its authority to modify the
Proposed Preliminary Plat and provide a more equitable and fair balance between
the Applicant s interests and the Town s Vision. For example, fewer number of
lots, more reflective of the R -80 regulations and neighborhood character,
achieved by removing the Lot 1 residential building lot, reallocating excess lot
area to remaining four lots or less. An alternative design can then be assessed
for its impact on critical water issues.
C. DEIS — Critical Shortcomings
Water Water Everywhere: Not Enough ... Not Safe to Drink
Perhaps the most critical shortcoming in the DEIS is the impact of the development
C- 6;C -15 (particularly its density) on both water supply and quality, covered in Section 3.2 for a
total of 4 '/2 pages. On page 3 -4, there is recognition that "The subject site is not served
by a community water supply. A potential impact from the project would be depletion of
the groundwater supply lying beneath the subject property." However, the DEIS avoids
any hydrogeologic analysis regarding the severe limitations of Orient's groundwater
supply. In fact, a document search for the word "aquifer" is virtually absent from the
DEIS, except for in the Town's Positive Declaration in Appendix A.
As the adjacent property to the southeast, we will be the first impacted by the quality of
the groundwater as it flows towards Long Beach Bay. Perhaps the most disturbing and
confusing series of events occurs between 2016 and 2019, where the Applicant's test
well results in 2016 not only show the contamination but also SCDHS remarks
regarding the depth to water of less than 40 feet (Appendix L) and the need to restrict
lot size conforming to the current R -80 zoning. Then by 2019, different well test results
C -52 appear to allow for the SCDHS Board Review & Variance (Appendix H) where lot size
restrictions are removed.6 Is cherry - picking results an acceptable approach to ignoring
a well -known and documented concern regarding the fragile Orient water supply?
C -53 The Applicant's DEIS continues to push the Suffolk County Health Department lot size
determination that 13 houses can be supported, but that the proposed plan only
provides for 5 houses and an irrigation well for farming. Further, the DEIS spins the
facts of contaminated water transformed by water filtration technology to conclude that
the filtered water discharged into the groundwater has no impact to water supply nor
water quality, it is a benefit created by the development! Really?
The Applicant's DEIS addresses water related issues and the use of fertilizer associated
with the farming of the open space by simply assigning it to NYSDEC reporting (for
C -12 subject site only) and best farming management practices. The broad -brush statements
about this and other issues require more specification.
s See Exhibit 4 — Select Pages DEIS; Appendix L and H
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On prior occasions, the Planning Board and others have expressed concerns relating to
water issues and development densities. For example, as recent as June 27, 2017, the
Planning Board disapproved ZBA #7063, a proposed variance request to split a 4.2 acre
parcel in a R -80 zone at 2050 Platt Road (SCTM 1000- 27 -1 -9), recognizing the
sensitive area of Orient and its sole source aquifer and the impact on ground and
surface waters as a result of increased residential density. 7
The "Settlers at Oysterponds" subdivision created in 1984, located directly opposite the
subject site at Halyoke Avenue and Orchard Street, was also challenged by constraints
and concerns surrounding water issues, influencing the density and configuration of
the lots. A proposed plan for 47 house lots on 67 +- acres was reduced to 10 building
lots (minimum 5 acres) due to water and other concerns.$
C -54 The Planning Board should require a second DEIS that provides a more in -depth
analysis regarding Orient water issues and the impact of the Proposed
Development as well as an Alternative Plan representing lower density and better
lot configuration that mitigates many of the non -water issues of equal importance
to the community.
D. Devil in the Details: Open Space Conservation Easement I Covenants,
Restrictions & Maintenance Agreements
C -55 The Open Space Conservation Easement "sample" (2011) provided in Appendix D is
irrelevant to subject site's scale and complexity of the proposed development as
presented in the Proposed Preliminary Plat. The adjacent property at 2295 Orchard
Street (SCTM # 1000- 27- 1 -2.3) is a 6 acre parcel with an allowable 1,000 square foot
agricultural building compared to the proposed 4,000 square foot barn building, access
drive to a proposed 1.35 acre residential building lot.
Although it may be premature during this SEQRA Determination step of the Proposed
Preliminary Plat Review to craft the Open Space Conservation Easement as well as the
Covenants, Restrictions, and Maintenance Agreements, it is important to evaluate any
subdivision plan and how it informs these agreements and provides a level of
confidence that implementation and enforcement will be strict and rigorous in defending
the goals and objectives of the final approved subdivision. Simply put, a more complex
subdivision plan requires a more complex set of agreements that are more likely to be
challenged at a later date and uncertain enforcement.
More specifically, a subdivision with multiple land uses and activities will prompt special
attention and detailed agreements to issues that include, but not limited to the following:
7 See Exhibit 5 — ZBA #7063 Determination with Planning Board Disapproval Letter
8 See Laserfiche — Town Of Southold > Planning Department > Applications > Major Subdivision (MJ) > Approved
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Orient NY, 11957
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Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
And members of the Southold Planning Board
54375 State Road 25
Southold, NY 11971
Re: The Orchards Subdivision
SUM # 1000- 21 -7 -3
I am deeply concerned about the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for the Orchards
Subdivision accepted for public review on September 28, 2020.
Two aspects of this project appear to not be code compliant:
• Based on Town Code - Article XI Cluster Development 240 -42 - H.(4):
Roads, streets and rights -of -way may not be included in the calculation of the minimum
required open space.
The area of the conservation easement is based on 16' right of way for Lot #1 driveway. The
State requires a 25 foot clearing and in a letter dated March 6, 2015 the Town Highway Engineer
said the Right of Way should be 25 feet. The additional 9 feet of right of way increases the size
of Lot #1 to 1.4744 acres and reduces the conserved area by .1218 acres. This would bring the
Conservation Area below the 60% required threshold.
Based on Town Code Article XII Design Standards 240 -45 for flag lots:
D. Flag lots: The Planning Board may permit a limited number of flag lots in a residential
subdivision plat provided they're well shaped, they are generally larger than usual lots...
(1) to assure that the flag lot is of adequate size and shape, a flag lot located within the
residential zones shall contain at least the minimum lot area of the applicable zoning
district in which it is situated, within the bulk of the lot, exclusive of the area contained in
the flagpole access strip.
Both Lots 2 and 3 are flag lots and they are NOT larger than usual lots. I am not sure what
"usual lots" means, but the average size of 17 abutting lots is 2.5 acres, based on current tax
maps. I would suggest that Lots 2 and 3 should therefore be at least the minimum required in R-
80 zoning which is 80,000 square feet.
Lot #2 is inadequately sized for even R -40 zoning, which requires a minimum lot size of 40,000
sf. When the 3,169 sf access strip is deducted from the area of Lot #2, the result is below the
40,000 sf threshold.
This subdivision should not be allowed to proceed without corrections to non - compliant conditions
and recalculations of conservation and open space areas for all aspects of the proposal.
Addressing the DEIS in terms of its response to the areas of concern outlined in the Positive
Declaration:
1. Impacts on Surface Water:
The Positive Declaration states "The impacts of the new sanitary systems proposed on down gradient
surface water must be assessed"
The DEIS suggests that Suffolk County Sanitary Code would yield 13 homes, and therefore 5 is a
mitigation of impact. Town Bulk Regulations would only allow 6 homes so the proposal should
not be held up against the County standards. The DEIS proposes standard sanitary systems and
merely states that since the SCDHS gave them approval, it must be okay.
To my knowledge, the DEIS does not assess the impacts of sanitary systems on down gradient surface
water at all.
2. Impacts on Groundwater
Positive Declaration 2a "Potential adverse impacts to groundwater quality and quantity could be severe
and boundless and must be assessed. The probability of the impact occurring is moderate and could
affect the area population"
According to the Southold Town Comprehensive Plan "Water supply projections indicate that
Southold will need additional water sources by 2030 ". 1 believe this assumes that the
infrastructure is in place to provide Orient with water from the aquifer areas included in the
Special Groundwater Protection Areas. Since that infrastructure is not in place, the sole source
uifer in Orient needs to be protected too! According to the Comprehensive Plan, the pace of
"build -out" has already picked up, and the predictions of a few years ago should be adjusted for
the new normal of COVID -19, which has not only created more water demand from existing
houses being used full -time, but has also created an even greater urgency to build additional
homes on existing individual lots. Again the DEIS states that since the SCDHS gave them
approval it must be okay.
To my knowledge, the DEIS does not address the quantity of water available based on projected water
use for this project and the homes that share this resource.
In addition to the five new homes proposed, the DEIS states that the NYSDEC permit allows
maximum of 4 million gallons a year to be used for crop irrigation. This is a staggering number,
equivalent to 62 -120 homes. The DEC approval requires testing the irrigation well for salt -water
intrusion twice a year, acknowledging the threat of salt water intrusion.
The DEIS does NOT adequately address the site specific availability of groundwater for the proposed
use and there seems to be no consideration for water conservation. The DEIS does not address the
effects on the quality of the water for the area population. If salt water intrusion occurs in the irrigation
well, it likely means that there will be salt water intrusion in neighboring residential wells too. The
applicant should be required to identify the salt water interface and evaluate the impacts of pumping.
The proposed subdivision has the potential to impact the fresh water supply for the whole village. I
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question the DEIS statement on page 3 -6 that "SCDHS" approval would not have been issued had the
SCDHS review identified significant impact ". The SCDHS is looking at narrow legislated parameters
covering all of Suffolk County. It is imperative that the Town of Southold protect the available potable
water supply for the residents of Orient.
Positive Declaration 2d:" Assessment of potential impacts to groundwater from new sanitary systems
(pharmaceuticals and personal care products) pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers must be included.
Impacts to adjacent properties must also be discussed ".
The DEIS does NOT address the concerns for potential impacts to groundwater and adjacent
properties of discharge of pharmaceuticals, personal care products,VOCs, pesticides or
herbicides from the residential properties.
The DEIS does not address the use of fertilizers and pesticides except to say that "Best
Management Practices" will be implemented. There is no mention of Integrated Pest
Management. I am not a farmer, but I am told that sweet corn is especially susceptible to pests
and can require frequent pesticide applications (more than once a week). Is this really
appropriate in a residential area, and in particular within 100' of two private wells? The wells for
2650 Orchard and Lot #2, along with the irrigation well for the proposed farmland are within
100' of the proposed farmed acreage (these areas should be mapped, cannot be used as
farmland and should be deducted in all area calculations). Even with Integrated Pest
Management, most of the pesticides used to control corn pests are toxic sprays.
The DEIS does not propose the use of I/A sanitary systems, proposes a crop that requires an
abundance of fertilizer and pesticides and offers "turf grass" in the unfarmed open space. There is no
mention of how the new sanitary systems might mitigate the impact of the pharmaceutical, personal
care products etc.
Positive Declaration 2f: A discussion of the current groundwater quality, contamination and impacts on
the proposed action and adjacent properties must be included:
The water on the site was in fact found to contain excessive nitrates and Aldicarbs. The DEIS
states that the homes will require filters for excessive Aldicarbs. According to SCDHS private
Water Systems Standards 406.4 -15 if water exceeds MCL and treatment is required a "covenant
regarding water treatment must appear on all realty subdivision and development maps" I don't
see this covenant on any site maps. The test well for Lot 2 also exceeded the allowable for
Nitrates, and yet an I/A Sanitary system was not proposed.
What will the effects be on neighboring properties quality and quantity of drinking water? The overall
impact of the additional demand for water has not been assessed and the overall impact of
wastewater has not been assessed.
Why is there no consideration given for conservation or alternative sources of irrigation water, such
as using drip irrigation, gray water recycling and rain water collection? Why isn't there any mention
of drought- resistant plantings or limitations on irrigation and fertilization for the areas anticipated to
be "turf grass." Why was a potentially water and pesticide intensive crop selected for farming? Why
weren't I/A sanitary systems proposed at the outset, and if the SCDHS has approved the site plan, will
I/A sanitary systems be required (after July 2021)?
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3. Impact on Agricultural Resources
Positive Declaration 3a "The conversion of farmland to residential use is INCONSISTENT with the Town of
Southold Local Waterfront revitalization Program Policies"
As mentioned above, the conserved area will not meet the 60% criteria for open space when the
Lot #1 and Lot #2 are corrected for code compliance unless some building lots are eliminated.
The configuration of the conserved area is not conducive to agricultural use with several
notches that will be difficult to plant and maintain. Why is the designated area for the barn
separate from the farmhouse? This does not seem to conform with the intent of the code.
The DEIS argues that the sale of four homes/ home lots is necessary to support the agricultural
uses. When this proposal was first submitted, the owner said that this was going to be a family
compound, which presumably would not generate income to support the agricultural uses. Lot
#1, which has been presented as the owner's personal residence is not clustered with the other
lots, instead it is in the northwest corner of the site to take advantage of conservation
easements of neighboring properties rather than be clustered with the other homes. The split
cluster layout of the site does not suggest a family compound, it looks more like a plantation
except that the low lying land to the southeast will not be populated by farm workers, but by
wealthy second home owners who can afford 1 -2 million dollar homes.
At the planning board meeting on April 6, 2015 the owner stated that "we are not going to do spec
houses" and yet the DEIS suggests that is the intent. The owner should clarify how many houses he
intends to build himself, and will they be built on spec or for his family? The proposed layout appears
to maximize the profit from new homes, not maximize the continuity of the open space or its viability
as farmland.
4. Impact on Archeological Resources
Based on historical maps, this appears to be "virgin" land, never having been built on. However,
there are adjacent parcels which are included in the Comprehensive Plan for the Town of
Southold as having historic value. See attached documentation of the Hallock Farm, and
description below.
5. Impacts on Aesthetic Resources
Positive Declaration 5a. "The potential impact for the siting and scale of homes could be moderate to
large based on lot size."
While the DEIS indicates that the five homes will be "modest sized" with footprints of
approximately 1750 sf and overall square footage of 3,500 sf. Once the lots are subdivided, it
seems that the Town has almost no control over what will be built on the individual lots. There
is presently almost no limitation on the sizes of the homes, and while there are very stringent
oversight of what is built in the nearby Historic District, there are no rules at all about the design
quality of these homes. These "structural design components ", potentially very LARGE homes,
will have clear negative impact on the "visual quality and scenic resources" at the very center of
Orient.
Based on 20% lot coverage, the FOOTPRINTS of these houses can be up to:
Lot 1 approximately 11,783 sf (not including additional ROW acreage)
Lot 2 approximately 8,600 sf (based on current non - compliant plat)
Lot 3 approximately 9,960 sf
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Lot 4 approximately 8,000 sf
Lot 5 approximately 8,000 sf.
Total Buildable (House) Area = 46,343 sf
Barn footprint 4,000 sf
Total Area of Buildings = 50,343 sf equals 1.16 acres
Table 1 of the DEIS has the Total Area of buildings at .2927 acres, which seems to be based on 5
houses with footprints of 1,750 sf + 4,000 sf barn. Page 4 -10 of the DEIS states "A primary
purpose of the Bulk Schedule for Residential Districts is to ensure properties are developed in a
manner that provides the appropriate amount of open space between building lots with
appropriately sized buildings. Thus the size and location for each of the proposed homes are
limited" Unfortunately this is not the case, the houses can be almost unlimited in size based
on the Bulk Schedule.
Positive Declaration 5a continued: "Minimize introduction of design components (including utility lines,
lighting, signage and fencing) which would be discordant with the existing scenic components and
character)
On page 4 -10 of the DEIS "the project shall provide aesthetically pleasing views of the open
space and active farmland" There is no mention of fencing in the DEIS. Clearly, there will need
to be an 8 foot fence surrounding the agricultural land. The statement that this will be an
"aesthetically pleasing view" of an 8 foot fence and the owner's home in the distance, is highly
subjective. Potential hedges and fences on the other lots are also not addressed.
Positive Declaration 5a continued: "Protect visual quality associated with agricultural land, open space
and natural resources."
Two of the properties associated with the Hallock Farm are within 500 feet of the proposed
subdivision. These properties, along with several others just outside of the 500' buffer, are
indicated on figure 5.1 of the Southold Comprehensive Plan as listed by the Society for the
Preservation of Long Island Antiquities. The Hallock Farm was an innovative and prosperous
farm that helped shape the community of Orient. As I have mentioned in past correspondence,
Halyoake Avenue was formerly the driveway approach to Hallock Farm from Orchard Street.
Attached is figure 5.1 and additional information about the Hallock Farm Complex. The rural
nature of the Orchard and Halyoake corner is still mostly intact, and will be permanently
spoiled by the addition of four houses.
Additionally, the 4,000 sf barn is directly on axis with the view from Old Farm Road.
This proposal does not "enhance the visual quality and protect scenic resources" and there are no
safeguards in place to insure that the structures that will be built will not seriously detract from the
visual qualities of the area. We would like to see a full visual impact study showing the impact of the
maximum sized homes and barn.
Considering the proximity to the Orient Historic District and to the Hallock Farm Complex, the houses
and the barn should all be contextual in design, restricted in height above natural grade, and limited
in footprint in order to maintain the aesthetics and character of the area.
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Based on design standards established by 240 -45 both of the non - compliant flag lots should be
eliminated.
7. Assessment of the No Action Alternative
These six points outlined in the DEIS are of questionable mitigation value:
V'Return fallow agricultural land to productive use"
Is there anything stopping this owner from farming this land as is?
2. "Permanently protect 60% of the agricultural land comprising the subject property from future
development though an environmental conservation easement ".
Even more of the property could be open space or the land could be sold to a trust or individual who
would preserve all of the land as open space.
3. "Create new modest size residential homes to provide additional housing in the community"
If these lots are sold at current prices for real estate in Orient, they will not be modestly priced. The
estimate of cost to build these homes in the DEIS is very conservatively posited at $150 /sf. Homes
recently built in Orient are about twice that. So with the cost of land being around $600 per acre, and
the cost of a 3,500 sf home at $1,050,000, this is not the type of housing that Orient "needs ".
4. "Control of vegetation to enhance scenic vistas from the abutting roadways. "
This DEIS claims that the view sheds will be improved because the land will be cleared of overgrowth
and if no action is taken "existing vegetation would go unchecked and eventually consume the
property ". I don't believe anyone would object to the owner maintaining his vacant property.
5. "Increase the annual tax revenue"
This cannot be denied. However the increase in density and use of limited resources doesn't offset
this gain. The conversion of farmland to residential use in order to produce tax revenue on the one
hand is contradictory to the use of preservation funds to conserve farmland on the other.
6. "Removal of contaminants from the aquifer via filtration of domestic water for proposed homes"
This is lipstick on a pig.
The following concerns mentioned in the Full Environmental Assessment Form, were not mentioned
in the Positive Declaration:
Imoact on Floodin
When it was farmed, the eastern end of this site was prone to ponding and flooding. While the
site is not in a currently designated FEMA flood zone, it is susceptible to storm surge. Part of lot
#5 is located within an area expected to be impacted by a storm surge 6 -8 feet above normal,
with the majority of the lots 2,3 and 4 in storm surge zone 3 (9 -12 feet above normal) .
https:// gis3. suffolkcountVny .gov /shelterlocator/
Impacts on Plants and Animals
While there may, or may not be any threatened or endangered species inhabiting this site, there
are certainly plenty of deer there. The DEIS suggests that the wildlife (squirrels, rabbits and
birds) will move to the adjacent conserved properties and then repopulate the site, avoiding
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the subject of deer altogether. The 8' deer fence that will inevitably surround the farmed area
will not allow the deer to repopulate this site. As more and more fences are erected the deer
become more of a problem for homeowners who do not wish to, or cannot fence in their
properties, and to drivers as the deer dart across the roads instead of open fields.
In addition the street trees should not be in ROW- they are supposed to be on private property- see
Town Code - Article III Roadway Construction 161 -44 B.
This subdivision should not be allowed to proceed as proposed. We have owned our 200 year old
farmhouse for 26 years and in that time development has very slowly changed the character of the
Village of Orient. We are now at a tipping point where the pace of development has increased while
we approach a precipitous limit in resources. 7 acres of corn is a Trojan Horse that does not justify the
density of development outlined in this subdivision proposal. I believe it is antithetical to the goals of
the Southold Town Comprehensive Plan, Community Character and severely detrimental to the
character and sustainability of the Orient community.
Sincerely,
Barbara Friedman
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tc land here was const ire some —ol the poorest on Long
Island at the end of the last century, so the Hallocks brought
in tonsof stable manure.until it had some of the richest earth
in Orient_ Then they introduced overhead irrigation, built a
dock for their steamship, and exported their produce to New
England. In their prosperity, they started their own small
acetylene plant and even bought a printing press, which
eventually became the cornerstone of an advanced, pro -
grc %live hamlet.
Robert Bcrks, who has made monuments of Einstein, Lin -
aeus, and John and Robert Kennedy, came here with his
wife. Tod. in 1966. They built a life around music and art—
all very much in the I lallock tra It on. That changed, though,
when Charles Horowitz bought the 67 acres between their
house and Hallock Bay.
A South Fork developer of unusual sensitivity, Horowitz
wanted to build what he considered attractive and authentic
cluster houses with unexcelled water views. lie did not quite =
understand how Tod Bcrks and others in this community feel
about their water.
--uncrit tas ine snaiiowest water table In Southold," she
explains. "Our fresh water is a thin lens on top of a kettle of
salt water. At the end of the dry season, farmers often draw
salt water from their wells. We pump our own water here —
and if we run out, replacement would be the most expensive
on Long Island. Mr. I lorowitz has parcels of land that float in
any rainstorm. It's our fear that his cesspools will drain into
I lallock Bav, a shellfish nursery that, according to one study,
produces S2 million of shellfish a year."
In the face of such opposition, Horowitz abandoned cluster
housing and divided the property into five -acre parcels. Tod
Bcrks and her concerned neighbors in Orient knew what that
meant: With five -acre zoning, a developer doesn't have to
provide potable water. They petitioned the town— unsuc-
cessfully —to force Iiorowitz to alert buyers to their potential
"These 'problems' can be 'solved' with a 5775 Culligan
water purifier," I lorowitz says. "What's interesting is that at
no point have any of these people picked up the phone and
called me. The problem isn't what I'm doing —when I get
done, I'll be proud of what I did there —but that these people
%Sant this land forever without paying for it. And the result is
that instead of building housing that sells for as little as
S95,000, I'm going to be building luxury homes."
The Activist
IIF. DEPOT LANE SCHOOL, IN CUTCHOGUE, ISN'T ANY -
one's idea of a hot spot, but one weekday evening in
May. it was the only place to be. Frank Bear, chairman
of the Southold Water Advisory Committee, was there.
John 1Vickham, who has
headed the planning
board in Southold for 24 years,
was there. By 7:30, the kinder-
garten chairs had been
plundered, and there were 120
people jammed into the lunch-
room —all to hear a self -de-
scribed hcrmi who had never
led a mcetin bcforc.
Nancy Sa astynowicz is an
unlikely activ st. She grew up in
a 200 - year -o d house, spends
two nights a week taking care
of a 92 -yca -old woman, re-
finishes woo boats in summer,
and, at 34, fles home to a ga- Ne
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The Farmlands Preservation Bill has helped save North Fork fields.
rage apartment and two cats. But just over a year ago, she
became alarmed at the prospect that a 160 -unit condominium
called Seacroft would be built in Cutchogue. In five days, she
gathered 900 signatures on a petition against it and took her
petition to town hall —only to be told that she'd missed the
public hearing held a month before and was therefore out of
order. Now, more than a year too late, her committee was
trying to make itself heard.
Sawastynowicz spoke briefly. Robert Pike, a lawyer with
Twomey, Latham & Shea, a Riverhead law firm that special-
izes in public - interest law, added a few details. Then the
meeting was turned into a community debate on topics as
familiar here as work boats: water and open space.
"The county and town have decided it takes one full acre
to provide water for one family," John Wickham pointed out.
"Vow we find the town board blithely allowing six units an
acre. I'm very upset that this is happening to one of the most
beautiful villages on the North Shore."
Robert Pike pointed to an architect's map that showed 36
open acres— suitable. it had been said, for leasing to a
vineyard or farmer — snaking between the condos. "The only
open space I can see in that site plan," Pike said, "is between
the statement that there is some and the truth."
Paul Stoutenburgh noted sadly that a man who buys a piece
of land has also bought the right to use it. Danny Lyon called
condos as deadly an invader as any enemy. And in the
vituperative venting that followed, the specific steps that
might be taken to stop the development were for a time
forgotten.
In all that emotion, one thing
seemed to be heard clearly.
"We have a unique opportunity
here," Robert Pike said, "to
learn from every mistake that's
been made all along the is-
land. "'fhe persistent refusal of
the people of the North Fork to
be like their southern neigh-
bors may not, in the end, stop
the future from happening —
but it certainly alerts anyone
else with the bright idea to re-
make this place that he's going
to have a helluva fight on his
1984 hands.
Alone on a marshy shore.
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these because it affects values throughout the nation because it has
left a broad trail of dishonesty and ruin among men of business and
every %balk of life.
Everyone'In East Hampton Is Eligible
Old people, stooped with suffering/
Middle age, courageously fighting/
Children, unable to explain/
All in'misery from their kidneys. %
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John W. Hand has installed upon his farm at Northwest a Skinner
overhead irrigation system. The plant will cover one and one -half
acres. It is the same system used on the famous Halloek farm in_
Orient, and if Mr. Hand finds it works successfuliv, lie will extend it
to cover a considerable portion of his farm given -to small fruits.
BUILDING- STRUCTURE INVENTORY FORM
DIVISION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION
NEW YORK STATE PARKS AND RECREATION
ALBANY, NEW YORK (518)474-0479
FOR OFFICE USE ONLY
UNIQUE SITE NO.
QUAD
SERIES
NEG. NO.
YOUR NAME: Town of Southold /SPLIA DATE: _January 1988
YOUR ADDRESS.Town Hall, Main Rd. TELEPHONE:516 765 1892
Southold, LI, NY 11971
ORGANIZATION (if any)- Southold Town Community Development Office
IDENTIFICATION
I. BUILDING NAME(S): Old School
2. COUNTY:Sttffolk TOWN /CITY:Saut:hold VILLAGE: L)rient:
3. STREET LOCATION: HalvnakP dvn nnrth side, bet. Orchard 2t: and Platt Rd.
4. OWNERSHIP: a. public ❑ b. private lid
5. PRESENT OWNER:Rnhert RPrks ADDRESSHalyoake Ave., Orient
6. USE: Original: Gchoal Present: arti,t l s gtn i n
7. ACCESSIBILITY TO PUBLIC: Exterior visible from public road: Yes Q No ❑
DESCRIPTION Interior accessible: Explain
8. BUILDING a. clapboard Q b. stone ❑ c. brick ❑ d. board and batten ❑
MATERIAL e., cobblestone ❑ f. shingles ❑ g. stucco ❑ other:
'). STRUCTURAL a. wood frame with interlocking joints ❑
SYSTEM: b. wood frame with light members kJ
(if kno.vn) c. masonry load bearing walls ❑
d. metal (explain)
e. other
10. CONDITION: a. excellent ❑ ' b. good iD c.' fair ❑ d. deteriorated ❑
1 I. INTEGRITY a. original site ❑ b. moved 0 ' if so,when? 1965 from Main Road.
c. list major alterations and dates (if known).
12. PHOTO: neg: KK IX -8, fm S 13. MAP: NYS DOT Orient quad
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14. THREATS TO BUILDING: a. none known 0 b, zoning ❑ c. roads ❑
d. developers ❑ e. deterioration ❑
f. other:
15. RELATED OUTBUILDINGS AND PROPERTY:
a. barn ❑ b. carriage house ❑ c. garage ❑
d. privy ❑ e, shed ❑ f. greenhouse ❑
g. shop ❑ h. gardens ❑
i. landscape features:
j. other:
16. SURROUNDINGS OF THE BUILDING (check more than one if necessary):
a. open land Il b. woodland ❑
c. scattered buildings ❑
d. densely built -up ❑ e. commercial ❑
f. industrial ❑ g. residential 0
h. other: 2 Storyprefabricated x nsi on at rear
17. INTERRELATIONSHIP OF BUILDING AND SURROUNDINGS:
(Indicate if building or structure is in an historic district)
Located in a low density agricultural area east of the Orient
Historic District, surrounded predominantly by open land. Stone
posts front the property along Halyoake Ave. The artist's sculp-
tures dot the property around this building.
18. OTHER NOTABLE FEATURES OF BUILDING AND SITE (including interior features if known):
Large 2--- story, hipped roof schoolhouse. Belfry with pyramidal
roof.9verhanging roof with exposed rafter ends. Double leaf
door with sidelights and transom. Entrance porch with paired
columns on high pedestals. 2/2 windows. Modern extension on
rear for artist's studio.
SIGNIFICANCE
19. DATE OF INITIAL CONSTRUCTION: 3 872 i 4 remodelled )
ARCHITECT:
BUILDER:
20. HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE:
This adaptive re —use of an old schoolhouse as an artists
studio contributes•to the ambience of the area.
21. SOURCES: Historical Record. Oysterponds Historical Society.
1959.
Maurfien Failey. Old School Houses Nassau and Suffolk
Counties. 19
22. THL%IE
FOB Prepared by Kurt Knhofer, research assistant
BUILDING- STRUCTURE INVENTORY FORM
DIVISION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION
NEW YORK STATE PARKS AND RECREATION
ALBANY, NEW YORK (518) 474 -0479
YOUR NAME
Town of Southold /SPLIA
FOR OFFICE USE ONLY
UNIQUE SITE N0,
QUAD
SERIES
NEG. NO.
DATE: January 1988
YOUR ADDRESS Town Hall, Main Rd. TELEPHONE: 516 765 1892
Southold
ORGANIZATION (if any): Southold Town Community Development Office
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IDENTIFICATION
I BUILDING N MF(S : L.H. Hallock /Berks House
2 COUNTY: of ol� TOwN CITY: Southold VILLAGE: Orient
3 STREET LOCATION: 11aly-o-a-k—e-Ave. , bet. orchard Rd.
4. OWNERSHIP: a. public ❑ h private It
5. PRESENT OWNER- Robert Berks ADDRESS: Halyoake ave. , Orient
f,. USE: Original: residence Present: residence
7. ACCESSIBII.ITY TO PUBLIC: Exterior visible from public road: Yes R1 No ❑
Interior accessible: Explain private residence
DESCRIPTION
H. BOILDING
MATERIAL
'1. STRUCTURAL
SYSTEM:
(if known)
10. CONDITION
1 I. INTEGRITY
a. clapboard ® b. stone ❑ c. brick ❑ d. board and batten ❑
e. cobblestone ❑ f. shingles ❑ g. stucco ❑ other:
a. wood frame with interlocking joints ❑
b. wood frame with light members iEj
C. masonry load bearing walls ❑
d. metal (explain)
e. other
a. excellent] b. good ❑ c. fair ❑ d. deteriorated ❑
a. original site b. moved ❑ if so,when?
c. list major alterations and dates (if known):
12. PIiOTO: neg: KK IX -7, fm S 13. MAP:
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14. THREATS TO BUILDING: a. none known 0 b. zoning ❑ c. roads ❑
d. developers ❑ e. deterioration ❑
f. other:
15. RELATED OUTBUILDINGS AND PROPERTY:
a. barn ❑ b. carria e house c. garage ❑
d. privy F-1 e. stied f. greenhouse ❑
g. shop ❑ h. gardens ❑
i. landscape features:
j. other: former school artists studio OR -77
16. SURROUNDINGS OF THE BUILDING (check more than one if necessary):
a. open land N b. woodland ❑
c. scattered buildings ❑
d. densely built -up ❑ e. commercial ❑
f. industrial ❑ g. residential K
h. other: agricultural
17. INTI.RRELATIONSHIP OF BUILDING AND SURROUNDINGS:
(Indicate if building or structure is in an historic district)
.Located in a low density, agricultural area east of the Orient
Historic district. Open land surrounds the house, dotted
with large trees.
18. OTHER NOTABLE FEATURES OF BUILDING AND SITE (including interior features if known):
Large, 2z story, 5 bay, gable roof house with wide facade gable.
Flanking, single bay, 13z story wings with similiar facade gables.
Projecting, twin, semi - octagonal bay windows at corners of main
house. 1/1 windows with hood molds and double leaf front door
under segmental arch. Porch across front of main house with
SIGNIFICANCE
—see attachment -
11 >. DATE OF INITIAL CONSTRUCTION: Last quarter of 19th century_
ARCHITECT
BUILDER:
20. HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE:
Toward the end of the last century, the prosperous Hallock
family built:1a dock on their waterfront on Long Beach Bay to
export produce.
The large old farmhouse has been the home of the prominent scul-
ptor, Robert Berks, and his family since 1967. For the artist's
studio, see form OR -77.
Also see form OR -78 for-Hallock Farm.
21. SOURCES:
Southampton Press. 9/3/87. -
E. Belcher Hyde, Atlas od Suffolk County, L.I., Vol. 2, North
Side, Sound Shore, 1909. _
22 iE �lr.
%yde & Co., Map of Long Island, 1897.
Form prepared by Kurt Kahofer, research assistant.
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Even the most experienced land buyers may not
know all of the pros and cons of conservation
easements.
In fact, we didn't know a lot of what is covered
below until we began researching this blog post!
But, to start with, a conservation easement is a
voluntary agreement that permanently
limits the use of the land to protect its
conservation values.
Placing a conservation easement on a piece of
land allows the owner to continue to control it
(but usually not develop it) and also take
advantage of a tax deduction.
This deduction is calculated according to
the value that the land would have had if
it had been developed.
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Now, conservation easements have gotten
quite a bit of notice in the past four years.
This is, in part, because of President Donald
Trump.
He created a conservation easement for his
Mar -A -Lago estate in 1993 and has popularized
this structure.
When the property was appraised at $25
million in 1993, he donated an easement
prevented him from selling antiques inside the
historic buildings or adding more buildings to
the compound.
This easement ultimately reduced the valuation
of Mar -a -Lago to $19.25 million.
President Trump received a tax deduction
for the difference of $5.75 million once the
easement was in place.
See the benefit?
This is reportedly a tried and true tactic of
the real estate tycoon turned politician.
Conservation easements alone have generated
$loo million in write -offs for President Trump.
If you're looking for the same benefits for your
property, what are you waiting for?
Start by watching this video:
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Then, you can read about the top conservation
easements pros and cons and decide if it's for
you!
PROS OF CONSERVATION
EASEMENTS
i You receive a tax deduction
The main benefit of a conservation easement
(aside from protecting the land!) is the tax
deduction you'll receive.
Typically, you can deduct 5o % of your income
for 16 years up to the appraised value of the
Pn cam ant
So, if you make $6o,000 a year, you can deduct
$30,000 for 16 years.
This results in total deductions of $48o,000.
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• You can customize conservation easements to
meet your needs
Initially, conservation easements sound like
you're giving up a lot of rights.
However, they're not as inflexible as they may
sound.
You can entirely customize the easement
depending on your plans and goals for your
property.
The goal of the conservation easement is for
everyone to benefit — both you (as the owner)
and the land trust or government agency.
One big pro is that you'll still have
flexibility and control over your
property.
• Public access isn't created with a conservation
easement
Some landowners opt for public access as
a condition of their conservation easement.
However, this is a rare part of the process, and
it is not in any way a "rule of thumb."
If you're concerned about public access being
an obstacle in the conservation easement
process, it isn't a requirement of a conservation
easement.
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Simply put, your land is still private land.
You're just preventing future
development by foregoing future
development rights on the land you already
own.
You're not in any way creating a public park or
other recreational space.
4P An easement doesn't give the government access
to your land
This is another common concern!
Just because you're creating a conservation
easement, it doesn't mean you're giving the
government direct access to your land (in most
cases).
The majority of conservation easements
are held by a non - profit land trust.
Non - profit land trusts are 501(c)(3)
organizations designated by the IRS, so they
have a similar role that other NGOs and tax -
exempt companies do in that they provide
charitable work.
The instances where a government entity holds
an easement would be rare.
The most that would happen is that the
government would scrutinize or audit
your conservation easement transaction,
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A conservation easement isn't "signing your
land over to the government" by any stretch of
the imagination.
• You don't have to sacrifice agricultural production
Some people shy away from conservation
easements because they profit off of the land in
the form of agricultural production or ranching.
However, this doesn't mean you can't have an
easement at all.
If your property is productive in its current
form, then you should absolutely keep it that
way; just be sure to work it into your easement.
Remember, conservation easements can
be flexible and work around your goals.
All the conservation easement does is prevent
future development in other ways.
You can still work on the land in the way you've
already been doing so as long as it's outlined in
your easement.
To qualify as a rancher or farmer, you must
receive more than 50 percent of your
gross income from the "trade or
business of farming."
The following activities qualify as farming:
• Cultivating the soil
• Raising or harvesting any agricultural or
horticultural commodity
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farm regularly produces more than one -half
of the commodity so treated)
• Planting, cultivating, caring, and cutting
down trees for the market
If you meet this criterion and you want your
conservation easement to reflect it, then it
must contain a restriction requiring that
the land remain "available for
agriculture."
It's also worth noting that, if you qualify as a
rancher or farmer, you may be eligible to
receive tax deductions of up to ioo % of
your income in exchange for the conservation
easement.
0 You can financially benefit from a conservation
easement (even with a low income!)
Even if your income isn't high enough to justify
the tax benefits, you have options.
A conservation easement may still be a good
option for you.
If your parcel of land has high conservation
value, then a land trust may pay you for a
conservation easement.
There's a great benefit to the public in
preventing land development in certain areas,
which is why land trusts may buy the
development rights from the landowner
using private donations or grants.
While you may not get a tax credit or deduction,
you're getting cash in your pocket.
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This allows a landowner to monetize his
donation while also providing tax relief to high -
income third parties who are willing to
purchase the credits at a discount.
Both these routes are pros that you may want to
keep in mind if you're interested in
conservation easements, but don't necessarily
have a high enough income to receive tax
benefits.
CONS OF CONSERVATION
EASEMENTS
i The land trust will need to physically inspect your
property
Some people don't like having people on their
land constantly.
The bad news is that your land trust will
need to physically inspect your land at
least once a year.
So, there will be a few inconveniences with a
conservation easement.
The hidden pro?
You can make it a condition of your
easement that your land trust doesn't
visit you repetitively to review the condition
of the property.
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If you're sincerely worried about this, then be
sure to negotiate your expectations
upfront.
Otherwise, you'll likely find that the once a year
inspection is more than enough for the land
trust and not all that inconvenient for you!
0 You can overstate the value of the conservation
easement
To claim the tax benefits for a conservation
easement (on both the state and federal level),
you must file forms to document the
transaction.
If the deduction is larger than $500,000, you
must provide an appraisal along with IRS Form
8283.
Now, agencies are paying closer attention
than ever before to ensure that values are not
intentionally or accidentally overstated.
When going through the conservation easement
process, you must have a defensible
appraisal of the land in question.
So, not only will you have to pay for an
appraisal of the property, but you'll still have to
actively avoid overstating the value of your
conservation easement.
Both can cost you!
• You may not qualify for a conservation easement
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This is one of the largest cons of the entire
process.
You can only take advantage of this
easement if you meet one of these four
categories from a financial standpoint.
The following is found in the IRS Code, Section
1.17oA- 14(d).
• You are preserving a relatively natural habitat
of wildlife, fish, or plants
• You wish to preserve forests or agricultural
lands that have open spaces
• You want to allow public access to a portion
of your land
• You are protecting the property in response
to a clearly delineated government policy that
is identified in local open -space plans
In general, conservation easements must
provide public benefits.
"Public benefits" include water quality, farm
and ranchland preservation, scenic views,
wildlife habitat, protecting endangered species,
outdoor recreation, education, and historic
preservation.
9 You can choose the incorrect land trust
Not all land trusts are created equal!
For every awesome land trust out there that will
work with you every step of the way, there are
equally awful land trusts.
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Others are intlexible and confrontational
about your property.
This can put property owners in a tough
situation, especially when you're not familiar
with the process.
Of all the conservation easements pros and
cons on this list, this is one you can
(hopefully) avoid based purely on
research.
Land trusts are non - profit organizations that
actively work to conserve land.
It is their job to ensure that all the restrictions
described in a conservation easement are
actually carried out.
The land trust will take legal action (if
necessary) to enforce the easement.
Thus, it's important to select the right land trust
as you'll work closely with them to ensure
you've come to the right agreement and can
move forward comfortably.
This is a big decision — don't take it lightly!
First, choose a land trust that offers a
proven understanding of forestry
practices and agricultural issues.
After all, if this is their specialty, they should
show it through their practices.
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Doing your due diligence can pay off on this
one.
And for other due diligence tips, you can watch
our video below.
7 Tips for BUYING Land
• Your ability to use your property can change
without a structured conservation easement
Sometimes you don't know what you've got
until it's gone, and this is exactly what property
owners realize when it comes to conservation
easements.
Over the years, landowners have
discovered that they're unable to use
their property the way they want after
their conservation easement.
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Here are some examples of issues that have
occurred with conservation easements.
• Restriction on wind turbines or other
economically viable technologies
• Inability to use ATVs, snowmobiles, or other
recreational vehicles
• No access to inspection records of your
property
• Confidentiality breaches such as a public
petition for structures or other land uses
without your consent
Keep in mind that these issues are rare.
However, they do occur, which means they're
worth acknowledging during the negotiation
process.
0 There may be a limited selection of buyers
available
There are so many pros of conservation
easements.
However, the relationship that a landowner has
with a land trust often complicates the
process of selling the property.
As a result, you may find that your pool of
interested buyers is limited if you decide
that you're ready to move on from the property.
In some cases, future owners may want to
develop the land, which won't be possible.
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• You may encounter lender problems
Unfortunately, the banking community
does not always understand the nuances
of conservation easements nor
conservation easement pros and cons.
Just like buyers, lenders often view
conservation easements as a hurdle rather than
something that benefits the property as a
whole.
As a result, landowners have found that
it's difficult to refinance their property if
it has an easement.
Or you may find that you have difficulty with
your appraisal or bank terms with your lending
agreement (if one is authorized at all).
Together, these obstacles make it
challenging to buy or sell the property.
They may also increase the cost of these actions
or make it hard to obtain future financing.
• You may lose access to some rights
When you purchase land, you purchase
different types of rights.
You may have surface rights, oil and gas rights,
mineral rights, and even water rights.
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When you create a conservation easement, you
may lose access to certain rights.
While you'll likely retain certain surface rights
like farming and ranching, development is
almost always limited.
Furthermore, surface mining is almost
always off the table and the goal is to protect
the land overall.
This can be frustrating for some buyers and
even result in the value of your land decreasing
to nothing.
FINAL THOUGHTS
There you have it!
All of the conservation easements pros and
cons.
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This process provides numerous advantages but
must be balanced with the specific
disadvantages of each property and landowner.
Doing -your due diligence and finding the right
land trust are important parts of the process.
In the end, each property and conservation
easement is unique, and you'll want to
thoroughly review the pros and cons to make
sure it is right for you.
Did we miss anything? Let us know in the
comments.
For more information on buying, selling, or
investing in vacant land, check out our other
resources below.
We're here to help throughout the entire land
buying and selling process!
If you are looking to buy affordable land,
you can check out our Listings page.
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property. It is accessed via several narrow dirt pathways that run through the property and
connect to the larger dirt roadway. A cleared dirt area approximately 3,000 square feet in
size exists in the western section of the property. The cleared area is accessed via a narrow
dirt pathway that runs south toward Orchard Street and connects to an access path on the
adjacent property to the west.
2.4 Permits and Approvals
The approval process can best be represented as a two -phase process. The first phase is
approval of the subdivision map. The second phase is approval for constructing the
improvements depicted on the subdivision map. Multiple approvals and permits are
required at the State, County and Local levels.
Phase I- Subdivision Map Approval
The project is subject to review by the Suffolk County Planning Commission. The Suffolk
County Planning Commission has reviewed the proposed project and determined it to be a
matter for local determination (see Appendix E).
The Suffolk County Department of Health Services (SCDHS) must review and issue
approval for the sub - division map (Suffolk County Department of Health Services 2018).
The project was originally submitted to the SCDHS circa 2013. Since the original
submission, the project has been resubmitted to the SCDHS, with modifications, on
multiple occasions. The latest SCDHS review notice issued December 13, 2018 is
presented in Appendix F. In order to address many of the SCDHS comments and proceed
to the Suffolk County Department of Health Services Board of review, the Applicant
(last revised June 18, 2019 - see Appendix G) and refiled it with SCDHS. The updated
subdivision map indicates the locations of the proposed sanitary systems and potable water
supply wells. In addition the Applicant drilled two deeper potable water supply test wells
that were subsequently sampled by the SCDHS. The results from the water sampling
necessitated the Applicant to obtain a variance from the SCDHS Board of Review as the
water quality did not conform to minimum drinking water standards (discussed elsewhere
in this document). A variance allowing development of a five residential lot subdivision as
shown on the proposed subdivision map with sanitary system and water supply well
locations (Appendix G) was approved by the SCDHS Board of Review on December 17,
2019. The SCDHS variance approval is provided in Appendix H.
The Town of Southold must review and issue approval for the sub - division map (Town of
Southold 2004). The project was originally submitted to the Town circa 2013. Since the
original submission, the proposed subdivision map has been modified multiple times to
address concerns raised during the review process. As part of the Town review, a Positive
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Potable Water Supply-
A public water supply is unavailable for the subject property. As such, private wells must
be installed for each of the proposed parcels. In accordance with the requirements of the
SCDHS, on September 30, 2015 two potable water supply test wells were installed on the
subject property. The well driller's certification is included in Appendix J. Each well
extended to a depth of 46 feet. The location of the test wells is depicted on the subdivision
map (see Appendix G). Test well #1 is located on proposed lot #1, at the extreme northwest
corner of the subject property. Test well #2 is located on proposed lot #2 along the northerly
property line of the subject property, approximately mid -width of the subject property. On
November 17, 2015 the test wells were sampled by the Suffolk County Department of
Health Services for the purpose of determining the suitability of the groundwater
underlying the site for use as potable water. The SCDHS issued a report dated February
29, 2016 (see Appendix K) stating the groundwater underlying the subject property
satisfied the criteria of the New York State Department of Health Standards for use as
drinking water and was determined to be suitable for potable use. However, the test well
depths were inadequate to provide the minimum 40 feet of water within each well as
required by the SCDHS (Suffolk County Department of Health Services 1992), resulting
in the SCDHS issuing a Notice of Incomplete application dated April 13, 2016 (see
Appendix L). Failure to provide 40 feet of water within the test well results in a SCDHS
imposed restriction limiting development to one residential dwelling per two acres, or the
need to obtain a variance from the SCDHS Board of Review.
Since development of one dwelling per two acres was not intended, and the Applicant did
not wish to seek a variance from the SCDHS Board of Review to modify this requirement,
the Applicant had the two original water supply test wells re- drilled to provide the required
40 feet of water within each well casing. On June 3, 2017 both test wells were re- drilled to
a depth of 65 feet (see Appendix M for test well driller's logs). The depth to groundwater
at the time of drilling was determined to be fourteen feet (14'). On August 17, 2017 the
test wells were sampled by the Suffolk County Department of Health Services for the
purpose of determining the suitability of the groundwater underlying the site for use as
potable water. The SCDHS issued a report dated January 19, 2018 (see Appendix N). The
sampling revealed the water in test well #1 exceeded the Suffolk County test well standard
of 6 mg/l of nitrates, but did not exceed the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) permitted
by Part 5 of the New York State Sanitary Code (The State of New York 2018). The water
in test well #2 exceeded the MCL for nitrates, Aldicarb Sulfoxide and Aldicarb Sulfone.
Each of these contaminants are commonly found in the groundwater surrounding the
subject property and are most likely attributable to the former use of the subject property,
and surrounding properties, as farmland.
Due to the test well sampling results, the Applicant filed for a variance from the SCDHS
Board of Review to seek permission to develop the proposed five residential lot subdivision
with private water supply wells. The application included an engineering design plan
depicting the location of the proposed sanitary systems and potable water supply wells for
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APPENDIX L
Suffolk County Department of Health Services Notice
April 13, 2016
WWM - 025 (Rev. 8/05)
SUFFOLK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES
OFFICE OF WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT
360 YAPHANK AVENUE, SUITE 2C
YAPHANK, NEW YORK 11980 NOTICE 5
(631) 852 -5700 GMZ 4
NOTICE OF INCOMPLETE APPLICATION — SUBDIVISION
TO: Mr. John Ehlers, L.S. SUB NAME: THE ORCHARDS
6 East Main Street REF. NO.: S10 -13 -0005
Riverhead, N.Y. 11901
SCTM NO: 1000- 27 -01 -03
Your submission for the referenced subdivision has been reviewed. This office will require the following for
further review and /or approval:
® Application form signed by licensed design professional
❑ Yield map, minimum square foot lots. ❑ Filing fee $ due.
❑ Test hole(s) located and witnessed by:
— ❑Health Dept =Fall 852= 5754to schedule inspection. - See location recap enclosed. — -- -"
❑ Test well(s) sampled by Health Department. Follow procedures enclosed. (Test well does not indicate a waiver
of requirement for connection to public water) - see location map enclosed.
❑ Public water availability letter from water district (Include distance & cost if water main extension is required).
❑ Short Environmental Assessment Form (enclosed). ❑ Wetlands permit or determination letter.
❑ Design report by licensed design professional for the onsite sewage disposal system and water supply.
® Covenants: TBD.
F1 Board of Review variance. ❑Non- conformance notice enclosed.
N SEQRA determination from Town. ® Certificate of Authorization, or disclaimer.
In addition, the following is required to be shown on a preliminary /final map or on a separate sewage
disposal/water supply plan signed and sealed by a licensed design professional:
Metes and Bounds Description* ❑ Suffolk County Tax Map Number*
❑ Sewage disposal & water supply locations for all existing buildings on property (specify if none)
® Neighboring wells and sewage disposal systems within 150 feet of property (specify if none)
❑ Design for the onsite sewage disposal and water supply per Department standards
❑ Design for sewer main extension approved by local sewer district (for existing sewers in Sewer District #3,
sewer stubs must be marked by district on plan) ❑ Topographic contours. (5 ft. interval)
❑ Water /Sewer main - locations) (label as existing/proposed) *_ ❑ Test well locations*
❑ Comer elevations and test hole elevation ❑ Department approval stamp*
Z Test hole location(s) /details* ❑ Typical lot layout: water & sewage disposal*
❑ L.S. certification and ® eertification of sewage disposal & water supply design by P.E., R.A., or L.S. with
exemption (original signatures & seals required) *.
[ *] FINAL maps to be filed with County Clerk require items marked above with asterisk O.
® Other: (1) Submit copy of Coservation Easement. (2) Label Future Barn area as " Lot # 1 location of Future
Agricultral Barn (3) After reviewing Test Well - -Test results and Well Drillers Cert. showing less than
40 feet of water in each well this Subdivision will require each proposed lot to be at least 2 acres, if this requirement
cannot be met a Board of Review variance will be required.
CC: Mr. Steven A. Martocello REVIEWED BY J T McGuire
24 Miller Woods Drive
Miller Placc, N.Y. 11764 DATE: 13 Apri12016
PLEASE RETURN A COPY OF THIS FORM WITH ANY RESUBMISSION(S)
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APPENDIX H
Suffolk County Department of Health Services
Board of Review Variance Approval
December 17, 2019
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
SUFFOLK
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STEVEN BELLONE
SUFFOLK COUNTY EXECUTIVE
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES
December 17, 2019
Mr. Steven A. Martocello
East End Holdings
24 Miller Woods Drive
Miller Place, New York 11901
JAMES L. TOMARKEN, MD, MPH, MBA, MSW
COMMISSIONER
Subject: Board of Review Hearing —August 15, 2019
S10 -13 -0005 — The Orchards — 2595 Orchard Street, Orient — t/o Southold — SCTM: 1000-
027.00- 01.00- 003.000
Dear Sir:
Enclosed is a copy of the findings, recommendations and determination of the Board of Review
concerning the subject application.
Based on the information submitted, the Board granted the request for variance /waiver with the provisions
indicated in the determination.
The granting of this waiver does not imply that your application will be automatically approved. It is your
responsibility to ensure that your application is complete; otherwise, your approval will be subject to
unnecessary delay.
Very
John Soling , P.E
Chief Publi H th Engineer
Chair, Boar of Review
Enclosure
Cc: Board of Review File — Yaphank Ms. Lynne Burns — OWM
Mr. Steven Churchill— Reviewer Mr. Andrew Freleng — Planning Department
Ms. Heather Lanza — Town of Southold Mr. John Ehlers
Qg �T •Division Of Environmental Quality ♦ Board Of Review ♦ 360 Yaphank Avenue, Suite 2B ♦ Yaphank NY 11980•
Phone (631) 852 -5801 Fax (631) 852 -5825
PublicHealth
SUFFOLK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES
DIVISION OF ENVHtONMENTAL QUALITY
BOARD OF REVIEW
ARTICLE 2, SECTION 220, SUFFOLK COUNTY SANITARY CODE
To: James L..Tomarken, MD, MS W, MPH, MBA, Commissioner
From: John Sohngen, P.E., Chair, Board of Review
Subject: Findings and Recommendations of the Review Board Regarding: 510 -13 -0005 —The Orchards
— 2595 Orchard Street, Orient— t/o Southold— SCTM: 1000 - 027.00- 01.00- 003.000
Hearing Date: August 15, 2019
Board Members: Anthony Condos, Kenneth Zegel, P.E.
Reviewer: Steven Churchill
Statement of Problem
Private Water System Standards require test well results for realty subdivisions to comply with the
guidelines and Maximum Contaminant Levels (MCL) contained in Part 5 of the New York State Sanitary
Code. In addition, the arithmetic mean nitrate concentration of all wells tested (on the same day) cannot
exceed 6.0 milligrams per liter (mg/1) and no well shall exceed the Nitrate MCL. Nitrate and Aldicarb levels
in the subject subdivision's test wells exceed the limits specified in the Private Water System Standards.
Findings and Facts
1. The parcel to be divided is located in Groundwater Management Zone 4.
2. The parcel is 579,348 square feet (sf) in area, and is shown as one lot on the 1981 tax map.
3. The subject parcel is currently vacant.
4. The proposal is to divide the parcel into five (5) residential lots meeting the minimum lot size
requirements of Article 6 of the Suffolk County Sanitary Code, for lots to be developed with onsite
sewage disposal systems and private wells. The residential lots sizes range from 40,000 sfto 406,548
sf
5. The parcel would yield 13 residential lots based on the Suffolk County Sanitary Code Article 6 lot
size requirements.
6. All residential parcels will be served by on -site sewage disposal systems, to be designed in
accordance with Department design standards with sanitary leaching structures placed a minimum
of 3 feet (ft.) above the highest expected groundwater elevation.
7. Soils are acceptable, with 0 to 1 ft. loam, 1 to 7 ft. silty sand, 7 to 1 l ft. sand and gravel, and 11 to
16 ft. water in sand and gravel.
8. Depth to groundwater is 11 ft. below grade as per the submitted test hole results.
9. As per the groundwater contributing areas and source water assessment maps prepared by Camp
Dresser McKee (CDM) in 2009, as part of the Comprehensive Water Resources Management Plan
James L. Tomarken, MD, MSW, MPH, MBA, Commissioner
Hearing Date: August 15, 2019
Subject: S10 -13 -0005 — The Orchards — 2595 Orchard Street, Orient — t/o Southold — SCTM: 1000-027.00 -
01.00- 003.000
(CWRMP) for Suffolk County, groundwater flow is southeast towards Long Beach Bay, and the
subject parcel is located within the 10 to 25 year contributing area to this surface water body.
10. Test wells were installed on Lot 1 and Lot 2 of the subject subdivision.
11. The well driller's certificate for the Lot 1 test well (Well # S- 133850T) shows a total well depth of
65 feet with a static water level of 14 feet, and 47 feet of water above the 4-foot well screen. A
water sample taken by the Department on August 17, 2017showed water quality in the well to be in
conformance with drinking water standards with the exception of Nitrates, which were 7.2 mg/1.
12. The well driller's certificate for the Lot 2 test well (Well # S- 133851T) shows a total well depth of
65 feet with a static water level of 14 feet, and 47 feet of water above the 4 -foot well screen. A
water sample taken by the Department on August 17, 2017 showed water quality in the well to be
in conformance with drinking water standards with the exception of Nitrates, Aldicarb - Sulfoxide,
and Aldicarb-Sulfone, which were 11.2 mg/1, 6.0 mg/l and 4.2 mg/1 respectively:
13. The MCL for the Nitrates, Aldicarb - Sulfoxide, and Aldicarb - Sulfone are 10.0 mg/1, 4.0 mg/1 and
2.0 mg /1 respectively.
14. The high Nitrates and Aldicarbs can be treated to levels below the MCL with the proper water
conditioning equipment. The Nitrates can be treated with reverse osmosis and the Aldicarbs can be
treated with granular activated carbon.
15. The Board notes that Aldicarb treatment removal devices are -free to homeowners in Orient and
funded by the Department through Bayer Scientific.
16. Department records indicate that groundwater in the area has been known to have high Nitrates. As
an example, Department staff provided the Board with test well results for a residential application
adjoining the subject parcel (SCTM: 1000 - 027.00- 01.00 - 004.000 and Reference Number R10 -05-
0047) that had Nitrates at 10 mg/1. The application received final approval from the Department on
April 1, 2009.
17. The applicant submitted. a Suffolk County Water Availability letter dated September 13; 2019
stating a water main extension of 10,000 feet would be required. Private Water System Standards
require water mains to be extended to a subdivision when the existing mains are located within a
distance equivalent to 150 ft. multiplied by the number of proposed lots, from the applicant's
property line. Therefore, the applicant is not required to extend the public water main since the
existing main is located a distance greater than 750 ft. from the subdivision property line.
Determination
It was a 3 to 0 determination of the Board to grant the request for the variance for the use of onsite private
wells, provided that the following conditions are met:
• Covenants and /or deeds shall be prepared and filed, in language acceptable to the County Attorney
for the following:
James L. Tomarken, MD, NISW, MPH, MBA, Commissioner
Hearing Date: August 15, 2019
Subject: S10 -13 -0005 — The Orchards — 2595 Orchard Street, Orient — t/o Southold — SCTM: 1000- 027.00-
01.00- 003.000
• Require the installation of water conditioning equipment to treat Nitrates and Aldicarbs to
ensure the levels meet the minimum drinking water standards and /or guidelines of the State
of New York at the time of development of each lot.
• Recommending periodic comprehensive water analysis of the onsite private well in order to
monitor drinking water quality.
• Require the installation of necessary water conditioning. equipment to meet the minimum
drinking water standards and/or guidelines of the State of New York if the periodic
comprehensive water analyses of the onsite private well indicate water contamination in
excess of the minimum drinking water standards and/or guidelines of the State ofNew York.
• To hold harmless, indemnify and defend the County of Suffolk, its employees, offices, or
agents harmless from any claim for damages or injuries that may arise out of the installation
or use of the private well and sewage disposal system.
The Department's Private Water System Standards are intended to protect public health by ensuring
residential lots can install a potable private water supply meeting installation and drinking water quality
standards. Although, the test wells results indicate high Nitrates and Aldicarb, the applicant will install
necessary water conditioning equipment to treat Nitrates and Aldicarb to ensure the levels meet the
minimum drinking water standards and/or guidelines of the State ofNew York.
The granting of this variance is not a formal approval to divide the parcel, or to construct new dwellings or
install new sewage disposal systems or onsite private wells on the subject site. Rather, it is a determination
on the specific variance requested, based. upon factors noted in §760 7609 of the Sanitary Code. In
compliance with §760- 609A(1)(a), the variance is in general conformity with the Sanitary Code. The
variance should not impair groundwater,. surface water and drinking water supplies, and, as such, is
consistent with criteria specified in §760- 609A(1)(b). The granting of the requested variance will not
adversely affect the design of an adequate on -site water supply and/or sewage disposal system, taking into
account soil conditions, depth to groundwater, and site specific physical conditions, and as such, is
consistent with criteria specified in §760- 609A(1)(e). '
As per §760 -609 of the Suffolk County Sanitary Code, the approval of the variance with the specified
conditions is in harmony with the general purpose and intent of the Sanitary Code to protect groundwater
and drinking water supplies, surface water and other natural resources, and public health, safety and welfare.
December 17, 2019
"Note: All references to Article 6 of the Suffolk County Sanitary Code refer
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EXHIBIT 5
BOARD MEMBERS
Leslie Kanes Weisman, Chairperson
Patricia Acampora
Eric Dantes
Gerard P. Goehringer
Nicholas Planamento
http: / /southoldtownny.gov
Southold Town Hall
53095 Main Road • P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971 -0959
Office Location:
Town Annex /First Floor, Capital One Bank
54375 Main Road (at Youngs Avenue)
Southold, NY 11971
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Tel. (631) 765 -1809 • Fax (631) 765 -9064
FINDINGS, DELIBERATIONS AND DETERMINATION
MEETING OF JULY 20, 2017
RECEIVED
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ZBA FILE: 7063
NAME OF APPLICANT: Eve MacSweeney and Veronica Gonzalez
PROPERTY LOCATION: 2050 Platt Road, Orient, NY SCTM No. 1000- 27 -1 -9
SEQRA DETERMINATION: The Zoning Board of Appeals has visited the property under consideration in this
application and determines that this review falls under the Type II category of the State's List of Actions, without
further steps under SEQRA.
SUFFOLK COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE: This application was referred as required under the Suffolk
County Administrative Code Sections A 14 -14 to 23, and the Suffolk County Department of Planning issued its
reply dated March 30, 2017 stating that this application is considered a matter for local determination as there
appears to be no significant county -wide or inter - community impact.
LWRP DETERMINATION: The relief, permit, or interpretation requested in this application is listed under the
Minor Actions exempt list and is not subject to review under Chapter 268.
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD: The application was referred to the Southold Town Planning Board
for comments relating to the proposed subdivision. The Planning Board, in their June 27, 2017 memorandum
indicated that they do not support the area variance for reasons which included concerns with insufficient lot
widths, impact on groundwater and the sole source aquifer located under the Orient peninsula, and potable water
quality supply resulting from increase in residential density to this area. The memorandum included
recommendations relating to Suffolk County Department of Health development and consideration of innovative
and alternative onsite wastewater treatment systems capable of reducing threats to potable water. Furthermore, the
Planning Board referred to a conforming yield plan for consideration that was submitted by the applicant, last
revised September 4, 2015, and depicted one of the two parcels resulting in a flag lot.
PROPERTY FACTS/DESCRIPTION: The subject property is a 4.2916 acre parcel located in R -80 Zoning
District. The easterly property line fronting Platt Road measures 300.00 feet, the northerly property line measures
637.79 feet, the westerly property line measures 278.89 (recorded deed measures 279.30) and the southerly
property line measures 548.28 (recorded deed measures 548.20). The parcel is vacant and described as fallow field
as depicted on subdivision map prepared by John T. Metzger, L.S. last revised August 26, 2015.
BASIS OF APPLICATION: Request for Variances under Article III, Section 280 -14, and the Building Inspector's
January 17, 2017 Notice of Disapproval based on an application for a two lot residential subdivision, at: 1)
proposed two residential lots having less than the code required minimum lot width of 175 feet, at: 2050 Platt
Road, Orient, NY. SCTM #1000- 27 -1 -9.
Page 2, July 20, 2017
#7063, MacSweeney
SCTM No. 1000- 27 -1 -9
RELIEF REQUESTED: The applicant requests a variance to subdivide a 4.2916 acre parcel into two residential
lots in an R -80 Zoning District measuring 92,619 sq. ft. (Lot 1) and 94,324 sq. ft. (Lot 2) zone, both confirming in
size, but with proposed non - conforming road frontage of 150 feet lot width instead of the required 175 feet
according to Section 280 -14 of the Southold Town Code, (Bulk Schedule).
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
As indicated in the memorandum from the Planning Board Chairman, the Planning Board had previously reviewed
a yield plan prepared by John T. Metzger, L.S. last revised September 4, 2015 depicting proposed lots; each of
which conform to the Southold Town Code (Bulk Schedule) and would not require Zoning Board of Appeals relief
for area variances. The applicant's attorney testified that the two owners wished to create the two non - conforming
lots so that each would be of the same monetary value, since flag lots are not considered as desirably as lots with
road frontage. At the hearing several nearby property owners objected to the variance, stating that flag lots were not
uncommon in the area and there was no need for a variance when conforming lots could be created as of right
through Planning Board approval. They also voiced concerns about setting a precedent that would appear to permit
more "suburban" non - conforming narrow lots in the future.
FINDINGS OF FACT / REASONS FOR BOARD ACTION:
The Zoning Board of Appeals held a public hearing on this application on July 6, 2017at which time written and
oral evidence were presented. Based upon all testimony, documentation, personal inspection of the property and
surrounding neighborhood, and other evidence, the Zoning Board finds the following facts to be true and relevant
and makes the following findings:
1. Town Law &267- b(3)(b)(1). Grant of the variance will produce an undesirable change in the character of the
neighborhood or a detriment to nearby properties. Although, some of the surrounding parcels do not meet the
required lot width, creating additional non - conformity in the area, when most parcels are conforming to code
required lot widths would set an undesirable precedent whereby other large lots in the area could be subdivide into
long, narrow lots, which would diminish the rural quality of the existing area.
2. Town Law 4267- b(3)(b)(2). The benefit sought by the applicant can be achieved by some method, feasible for
the applicant to pursue, other than an area variance. Since the proposed lots meet required lot size and depth, the
applicant can pursue Planning Board approval for a subdivision consisting of one flag lot and one lot with street
frontage which would meet all zoning requirements.
3. Town Law §267- b(3)(b)(3). The variances requested are mathematically substantial, representing 16% relief
from the code for the lot width of each of the two proposed lots.
4. Town Law 4267- b(3)(b)(4) Evidence has been submitted to suggest that a variance in this residential
community will have an adverse impact on the physical or environmental conditions in the neighborhood. An
alternative subdivision yield plan utilizing the creation of a flag lot would not require a variance and would create
two conforming lots that are more characteristic of the area.
5. Town Law &267- b(3)(b)(5). The difficulty has been self - created.: The applicant purchased the parcel after the
Zoning Code was in effect and it is presumed that the applicant had actual or constructive knowledge of the
limitations on the use of the parcel under the Zoning Code in effect prior to or at the time of purchase.
6. Town Law 4267 -b. Grant of the requested relief for two lots with non - conforming lot widths resulting from a
subdivision is NOT the minimum action necessary and adequate to enable the applicant to enjoy the benefit of two
single and separate lots, while preserving and protecting the character of the neighborhood and the health, safety
and welfare of the community.
Page 3, July 20, 2017
#7063, MacSweeney
SCTM No. 1000- 27 -1 -9
RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD: In considering all of the above factors and applying the balancing test under
New York Town Law 267 -B, motion was offered by Member Goehringer, seconded by Member Acampora, and
duly carried, to
DENY as applied for,
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Members Weisman (Chairperson), Dantes, Goehringer, Planamento and Acampora. This
Resolution was duly adopted (5 -0).
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PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MEMORANDUM
To: Leslie Weisman, ZBA Chairperson
Members of the Zoning Board of Appeals
From: Donald J. Wilcenski, Chairman
Members of the Planning Board"
Date: June 27, 2017
Re: Request for Comments for MacSweeney and Gonzalez
SCTM# 1000- 27 -1 -9 ZBA# 7063
v, MAILING ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
OFFICE LOCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cor. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
Telephone: 631765-1938
www. southoldtownny. gov
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RECETVED
JUN 2 7 20V
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
The Planning Board has reviewed the project and does not support the Variance as requested
based upon the following:
1. The Planning Board has an inactive Standard Application for the subject parcel (figure 1).
On October 7, 2015 the Planning Board accepted a Yield Plan (last revised September 4,
2015) recognizing 2 lots where lot 1 was proposed at 90,341 square feet and lot 2 at
88,227 square feet (excluding flag). The Yield Plan met the dimensional lot requirements of
the Residential 80 Zoning District (figure 2)
2. The Yield Plan was submitted in response to a Planning Board denial on August 7, 2015 on
a Yield Plan showing insufficient-lot widths that did not meet the Town Code §240 -10 B.
3. The impact -on groundwater and the sole source aquifer under the Orient peninsula from
residential density is a large concern due to sanitary systems, irrigation and property
maintenance. Although the residential density in the area is equal to or greater than 1
acre, the cumulative build out in this sensitive area could lead to greater impacts on
ground and surface waters.
Public water is not available in this area and the preservation of potable water quality from
nitrogen impacts, saltwater intrusion, pathogens, pharmaceuticals, personal care products
and volatile organic compounds is a priority. It is these threats that have prompted the
Suffolk County Department of Health to develop the regulatory opportunities for the
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
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- DONALD J. WILCENSKI
Chair
WILLIAM J. CREMERS
PIERCE RAFFERTY
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MARTIN H. SIDOR
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MEMORANDUM
To: Leslie Weisman, ZBA Chairperson
Members of the Zoning Board of Appeals
From: Donald J. Wilcenski, Chairman
Members of the Planning Board"
Date: June 27, 2017
Re: Request for Comments for MacSweeney and Gonzalez
SCTM# 1000- 27 -1 -9 ZBA# 7063
v, MAILING ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
OFFICE LOCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cor. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
Telephone: 631765-1938
www. southoldtownny. gov
X13
RECETVED
JUN 2 7 20V
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
The Planning Board has reviewed the project and does not support the Variance as requested
based upon the following:
1. The Planning Board has an inactive Standard Application for the subject parcel (figure 1).
On October 7, 2015 the Planning Board accepted a Yield Plan (last revised September 4,
2015) recognizing 2 lots where lot 1 was proposed at 90,341 square feet and lot 2 at
88,227 square feet (excluding flag). The Yield Plan met the dimensional lot requirements of
the Residential 80 Zoning District (figure 2)
2. The Yield Plan was submitted in response to a Planning Board denial on August 7, 2015 on
a Yield Plan showing insufficient-lot widths that did not meet the Town Code §240 -10 B.
3. The impact -on groundwater and the sole source aquifer under the Orient peninsula from
residential density is a large concern due to sanitary systems, irrigation and property
maintenance. Although the residential density in the area is equal to or greater than 1
acre, the cumulative build out in this sensitive area could lead to greater impacts on
ground and surface waters.
Public water is not available in this area and the preservation of potable water quality from
nitrogen impacts, saltwater intrusion, pathogens, pharmaceuticals, personal care products
and volatile organic compounds is a priority. It is these threats that have prompted the
Suffolk County Department of Health to develop the regulatory opportunities for the
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at n: Heather Lanza, Town Planning Director
TO: Southold Town Planning Board
DATE: 11/30/2020
RE: The Orchards Subdivision Application, Orient (2 pages)
To the Planning Board,
Thank you for your time and careful examination regarding the Orchards
subdivision proposal. Considering its proximity to the Orient Historic District
and to the Hallock Farm Complex, along with many other residents, I believe
that the development of this property should be much more limited In scope
and scale.
Two ofthe properties associated with the Ha||ook Farm are within 5QO feet of
the proposed subdivision. These properties, along with several others just
outside of the SOO' buffer, are indicated nn figure 5.1 uf the Southold
Comprehensive Plan as listed by the Society for the Preservation of Long Island
Antiquities. The Hallock Farm was an innovative and prosperous farm that
helped shape the community of Orient. The rural nature of the Orchard and
Halyoake corner is still mostly intact, and will be permanently spoiled by the
addition of four potentia||ymmaosive houses. The 13.3 acre site is currently
guided by the area's R-80 zoning district and is also informed by its historical
context and the goals represented by the Village of Orient Historic District' with
its eastern boundary at Tabor Road, just O80 feet from the site.
The current plan shows five residential lots, as well as an agricultural building
and access road, utilizing F-4Uzoning. Using H-4O and the split cluster
configuration does not achieve a rural, open space goal, nor does itpreserve
the natural and scenic values of the Town and village.
VVe would like ho see a full visual impact study showing rnsxinnuim sized
hnrnooamd burn.
Another key issue io the lack nfa thorough environmental impact study om
groundwater The application requirement is for six new wells including an
irrigation well with DEC permit to pump 4 million galloins/year; anticipated
irrigation for turf grass; and five new standard residential sanitary systems.
The most critical shortcoming in the DEIS is the impact of the development
(particularly its density) on both water supply arild iqualily. A pul.eii[ial �rrpact
from the project would be depletion of the groundwater supply lying beneath
the property. There is no analysis regarding the severe limitations of Orient's
aquifer and groundwater supply. The proposed subdivision has the potential to
impact the fresh water supply for the whole village. What will the effects be on
neighboring properties quality and quantity of drinking water?
The overall impact of the additional demand for water has not been assessed
nor has the overall impact of wastewater. The DEIS does NOT address the
concerns for potential impacts to groundwater and adjacent properties of
discharge of pharmaceuticals, personal care products, VOCs, pesticides,
fertilizers or herbicides from the residential properties. The DEIS does not
propose the use of I/A sanitary systems, proposes a crop that requires an
abundance of fertilizer and pesticides and offers "turf grass" in the unfarmed
open space.
The applicant should be required to identify the salt water interface and
evaluate the impacts of pumping; and there is no mention of how the new
sanitary systems might mitigate the impact of any of the discharge.
As a resident of 35 years, thank you again for your consideration of both the
scope and negative impact of a proposal that falls short of Orient's conservation
goals.
Sincerely,
Christine Churchill
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1220 Old Farm Road
Orient, NY 11957
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman 11/30/2020 PIb) ++LI
And members of Southold Planning Board W, pt,
54375 Route 25 �I VIII,
Southold, N.Y., 11971
r�E, ' 2020
RE: The Orchards Subdivision, 2595 Orchard St., Orient, N.Y.
SUM # 1000- 21 -7 -3 stiuLhw, kl fo4rvn...__.
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From: Richard Johnson & Laura Santisi
1610 Platt Road
Orient, N.Y. 11957
We have been Orient residents since 2011 on Platt Road, on property which backs up to the proposed
Orchard Street development. We want to register our opposition to the plan as presented, based on
aesthetic and environmental concerns.
Aesthetically, there is a quality to Orient village and surrounds that is singularly unspoiled. It is miraculous
that it has not been degraded already. It is sad beyond imagining that irreversible damage may occur soon,
from this current project or from future ones related to creeping 'luxury living' initiatives emanating from
New York City.
This appeal may sound like just another local protest against change, and it is that, but there is beyond that
something particular about Orient that is worth protecting.
The character of Orient seems to lie in some confluence and alchemy of low density, of the rural & farming
ambiances, of the colonial inflections in some of the architecture, of the continuing presence of multi -
generational families, of the 'edge of the continent geography' with no town to the east of Orient, of the
relative absence of commercial activity. At the heart of this confluence of gifts, however, it is probably the
qualities of casual low density and modest building structures that contribute most to making the village
what it is.
You cannot dilute this fragile alchemy very much without destroying it. The proposed Orchard St. project
unfortunately suggests some version of a rural /suburban housing project, maybe well- intentioned but a
terrible mismatch for what the Orient village and surrounds always have been and remain. It would set a
direction of sad, disfiguring dilution of several centuries of organic community aesthetic.
Villages, towns and cities world -wide are routinely degraded in the name of property rights and the demands
of commerce. Orient may inevitably surrender to that as well, but we hope as many people as possible will
speak against it. We certainly do.
Other local residents speak more knowledgeably than we can about the multiple damaging features in the
existing proposal, especially risks to water supply and water quality. We have read and we support these
carefully articulated cautions and alarms. The DEIS unfortunately does not appear to reckon with the multiple
aesthetic and practical risks embedded in this ill- advised project.
Thank you for your attention.
Laura Santisi & Richard Johnson
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From: joshuanefskvqnefskv@ve/izonoet>
Sent: Monday, November 3O'20203:4UPK4
To: Michaelis, Jessica
Subject The Orchards Subdivision
Josh Nefsky
835 Halyoke Avenue
P(J Box 11
Orient NY, 11957
November 30, 2020
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
And members of the Southold Planning Board
54375 State Road 25
Southold, NY Il97l
Re:lOhe Orchards Subdivision
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The Subdivision proposed for this site is simply IOODENSE.Itisbmdmnse contextually aLthe comer of
Hal oake and Orchard, and it is too dense for th�eresources available.
�. Wilcienski, Chairnian of the Planning Board put d best inu Memorandum dated June 27, 2017 in response
tna proposal to divide one lot into two nnaneighboring property: "The impact mn groundwater and the sole
sourceaqoiferuodezUheOrientpo/boao]a{/orocmsidmntioldenelh/isolargccuooernduetoaanitarys9sterns,
irrigation and property maintenance.
Although the residential density in the area is equal to or greater than 1 acre, the cumulative build out in this
sensitive area could lead to greater impacts on ground and surface waters.''
The is o 133 acre property and the proposal calls for 5 homes and bsoulaod with an
irrigation permit to pump 4 million gallons/year.
This is equivalent to the water use of over 60homes. The pace of build-out in Orient has accelerated of late
and we ore gTate{o| to L�cI1annbog Board for recognizing that the protection of our potable water supply is m
priority. If dividing one lot into two is of concern, certainly the number
u/ lots io Orchards subdivision should be substantially reduced!
Josh Nefsky
PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET 4
(SCTM # 2000 — 27 — 3)
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANTS DRAFT EIS
SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7-8-2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Full Name: Barbara Bloom
ull Name c-aA&aAd- 94&ht,
Owner Yes No
Address: 695 Edwards Lane
ant, NY 11957
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SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
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Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File:
I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7-8-2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name: Richard Gluckman
Sign Full Name
Property Owne
Local Address: 41630 Orchard Street, Orient, NY 11957
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Additional Comments:
it should be the responsibility of the board to rigorously adher to the word of the law and the
intent of the objectives of the preservation of the land, water, views and subsurface conditionh
PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET
(SCTM # 1000 — 27 — 3)
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANT'S DRAFT EIS
PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File.
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7-8-2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name: Jeanne Markel
Sign Full Name
Property Owner (9 No
Local Address: 100 Harbor Road, Orient, NY 11957
Additional Comments:
I am concerned about the strain on our aquifer that this (level op r-nent will pose. All of the water used on
the North Fork is pumped frorn underground aquifers that are fed solely by our local rain and snoWnielL
Aquifer levels drop significantly in the swurner Mouths, during the tourism and farming season, which
are also the driest months of the year.
Peaking a term that refers to periods of heavy demand on our water supply — occurs when a lot
of water is drawn from many locations during the sarne period of the day or season, SuCj) as tArhen lawn
irrigation systems start simultaneously early on SUrnmer mornings, These peaks in dernand are costly:
water delivery costs rise as more holding tanks and additional wells are needed to meet temporary highs.
The North Fork is also surrounded by saltwater. When our aquifers shrink or water is purnped heav-
ily, salt water moves into the vacumn and contarninates freshwater wells. This is happening with more
frequency in our area.
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I aim in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's IDEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7-8-2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name: Clara Serra
Sign Full Name
Property Owner yes No
Local Address: 4263 Orchard Street
We are landowners
Additional Comments:
We have privately purchased land in Orient to save it from development. I hope tlhe town of Southold Mill not allow
Landowners to create miniature suburbs with building clusters .
PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET
(SCTM # 1000 — 27 — 3)
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANT'S DRAFT EIS
SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File:
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7-8-2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name: Keri Christ
Sign Full Name
Property Owner Yes No
Local Address: 22715 Main Road, Orient, NY 11957
Additional Comments:
Hydrogeological studies need to be done before a project of this size may be lawfully done.
Orient relies upon an aquifer already subject to farming operations, as well as the 2d largest prig
1-lydrogeological studies need to be done before a project of this size may be lawfully done.
OnerO relies upon an aquifer already Subject to farming operations, as well as the 2d largest privately-owned ferry
olici,ation in the Country, whose environmental impacts have never been the subject of study, although It has massively
increased Its operations in recent decades.
STEFAN Fj�,q)ERAIIRENwr
1404 Cedar 11W Avenue
Dallas, Ilexas 75208
(212) 920,7824
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December 2, 2020
Ms. Heiither Lanza, Director
Towrii Planning Depaitnbent
Town of Southold
Towii. Hall Amn,ex Building
54375 Rmite 25
PO l3ox 1179
Southold, NY 11971
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Re-, The Orchards Proposed Subdivision in Orient
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I have )re,,vievived the proposed submission plan as vvefl as the carefully written and
researched letteirs fi orn Barba1st Friedrinart and the Fermi is.
I would prefm r that the land sm completell,' undeveloped and unused v) inaintain the
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mope rmess of the area and to preserve the quality an(] sustainabilily of the water supply,
Howeveir, I rea,lize that the land will likely be deivelqped in some way.
T[�e facts seem to be (1) the town has as desire to chistef lots in order to ol)laiin n-tore open
space for developmeims fil+ti e th s and (2) 1he specific, huid at issue has sensitive waler,
constraints. These two cornpefing facts force a �ess than idea� plan on(- that concentrates
four potentially large residences on land that has sensifive water COIISUN.dras. Not as 'good
idea.
I h t.fl an could he niodified in �t�nvs that mmdid he lwiwfici,�,d to the communH�' AND
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to the owner. Ciriven. flie size of the, lot to be subdivided. minder a modified jAan the
deve�q)er could ea Hy m put the four or h',ss "clusteired" homes" on eight acres instea(I
of four acres (one house per twoacires instead ofone house per one acre) andstill have
some undeveloped open space undera, modified plaamm . However this rriodification
the town accommodate 11fis solution hN, tm')d ratel'N adjusfin the
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14aving resWed in the neighborhood for sorne time, I have no doubt that the open space
feel of the new hornes behiry ' rnore q-)read out in, this way would feel more "of..)en"' than
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under the current proposed plan, even with to technically smalleT undeveloped open space.
While c1lustering certainly us a useful tool. in certain circumstances, specifically very Marge
developments, it just defies logic to apply the clustering concept to this particular
neighborhood for th'ns size lot as it would in effect i•educe the open fee] of the
neighborhood, the exact opposite fntent of the clustering concept.
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It is undoubtedly true that fOUY hOUses on, two acres each are more valuable than four
bouses on oine acre each.
In conclusion, I WOUld SUggeSt YOU C0115ider that the water reSOUrces in this particular
loca6on coWd easily be exhausted or permanently 11hartned with the wrong pkin. Is the
town prepared to cornpensale, current residents fn the event of irreparable hal•M to the
IM'd Mltff 1-eSOUII:CeS ShOldd the curreint. proposed pWi go forward? I rain sture, v wart will
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Thes,L are rny tlnouughl ts,, and I hope they are accepted in the sljphIt oftryincy find to
C011SU'LWflM SOW6011 For the COMIYU111ity and for the develloper and for the town, 'Fhere
inust be one, Thank you.
S�'�'an m' rilhendt
PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET
(SCTM # 1000 — 27 — 3)
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANT'S DRAFT EIS
SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File:
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7 -8 -2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name: Jessica Pepi Ginsberg Martin Crane
Sign Full Name
Property Owner
Local Address:
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1750 Platt Road, Orient, NY 11957
Additional Comments:
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Martin Crane and Jessica Ginsberg
1750 Platt Road
Orient, NY 11957
December 2, 2020
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
And members of the Southold Planning Board
54375 State Road 25
Southold, NY 11971
Re: Orchards Subdivision
SCTM # 1000- 21 -7 -3
We are rather recent arrivals to Orient and live on 1750 Platt Road which abuts the proposed development. Our
attraction to the area was in large part due to the aesthetic of the land and the low- density, historic houses already
here. We are concerned that the Orchards would be jarringly out of character with the surrounding fabric of the
neighborhood.
We think of the area east of the historic district between Narrow River and Village Lane as a kind of informal walking
and biking district. What is left of the views of the water, the marshlands, and low density, historic housing feel to us
like a communal resource that significantly increases the quality of life for all of those who call Orient home, and have
for decades before we arrived. The corner of Orchard and Halyoke sits in the heart of that zone, and the proposed
development would dramatically alter the character of the surrounding streets in a negative way. Additionally, we are
concerned that an increase in traffic will adversely affect the neighborhood and residents of the homes adjacent to
the proposed development.
As the land in question is also one of the larger and last contiguous green spaces in Orient, we are deeply concerned
about the environmental effects on the water supply, its potential contamination and the disruption of a highly
cultivated and rich wildlife. We have had the opportunity to read all of the letters in opposition and wholeheartedly
support our fellow neighbors in their concerns about the negative impacts of this development on the land, the town
and all of its inhabitants.
Thank you so much for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Martin Crane and Pepi Ginsberg
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File.
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
anY Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7-8-2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name:
Property Owner
Local Address:
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PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET
(SCTM # 1000 — 27 — 3)
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANT'S DRAFT EIS
SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File:
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1 have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated October 31, 2020 and the Nancy and
Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7 -8 -2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name:
Sign Full Name
Property Owner Yes
Local Address:
Additional Comments:
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responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7 -8 -2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name:
Sign Full Name
Property Owner Yes
Local Address:
Additional Comments:
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From: James Haag <jamesfhaag @yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 9:42 AM
To: Michaelis, Jessica
Cc: Lanza, Heather; Yahoo
Subject: The Orchards — concerned comment on this proposal
Dear Jessica, Heather and the Southold Planning Board:
Would you please confirm receipt of this? Thanks.
My name is James Haag and I have been in Orient since the late 1980s and have owned
in Orient since 1994. 1 love the community —the essential rural character of Southold
Town is one of the main reasons for being here. The other is the warmth of the people and
their passionate desire to maintain the beauty of what they have created. I do everything
in my power to be kind to the people, the land and the environment in which we live.
Over the past decade there has been pressure on the Town to keep its character in
check — especially with the emerging popularity of the north fork. I have spoken and
corresponded with Supervisor Russell from time to time and encouraged him to do the
right thing when it comes to maintaining its character since that is why people want to
come here in the first place.
am asking you now to seriously consider what is proposed for The Orchards subdivision
in Orient. You all know what a jewel Orient is and this proposal has the potential to greatly
compromise this town.
The expanse of open land in question along Orchard Street is a godsend for the
community. It is a reminder of the past with its Hallock Farm roots and a gift to the present
in terms of groundwater protection, fresh air, wildlife habitat, and rural character. It is right
at the border of our historic district and will bring suburbia clustering into the midst of this
timeless community.
This is your one chance to preserve our character. This opportunity will never be in
front of us again You are our voice— please do the right thing and save Orient from
becoming a typical suburban community.
On a personal note, many of us have suffered salt water intrusion into our wells at one
time or another. That phenomenon renders homes uninhabitable and there is nothing to
be done about it once it happens. With rising sea levels we need to do everything possible
to protect our groundwater. We cannot have millions of gallons of fresh water a year taken
from us by a suburban cluster subdivision. It will destroy a beloved community that has
fought continuously to preserve Southold Town for the future.
I beg you to please consider this very seriously. It will mean a lot to people who
desperately care about the Southold which you have helped preserve.
Please see additional specific comments below.
Thank you and best regards,
James Haag
Specifically-
-The current plan shows five residential lots, as well as an agricultural building and
access road, utilizing R -40 zoning. Using R -40 and the split cluster configuration does not
achieve a rural, open space goal, nor does it preserve the natural and scenic values of the
Town and village.
—We would like the DER include a full visual impact study showing maximum sized
homes and barn.
—The proposed subdivision has the potential to impact the fresh water supply for the
whole village. What will the effects be on neighboring properties quality and quantity of
drinking water? The overall impact of the additional demand for water has not been
assessed and the overall impact of wastewater has not been assessed.
The applicant should be required to identify the salt water interface and evaluate the
impacts of pumping.
—The DEIS does NOT address the concerns for potential impacts to groundwater and
adjacent properties of discharge of pharmaceuticals, personal care products, VOCs,
pesticides, fertilizers or herbicides from the residential properties. The DEIS does not
propose the use of I/A sanitary systems, proposes a crop that requires an abundance of
fertilizer and pesticides and offers "turf grass" in the unfarmed open space.
—There is no mention of how the new sanitary systems might mitigate the impact of any
of the discharge.
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December 6, 2020
Donald Wilcenski, Chairman
Southold Town Planning Board
54375 Main Road
Southold, NY 11971
RE: DEIS Comments - The Orchards Subdivision - 13.3 Acres at 2595
Orchard Street, Orient
Dear Chairman Wilcenski:
On behalf of Group for the East End, I offer the following comments and
recommendations regarding the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for
"The Orchards" proposed subdivision.
Summary Statement:
The Town's recently adopted Southold Town Comprehensive Plan could not be clearer
in its vision and goals to protect town character, its environment and aesthetic so
that, "Southold retains much of its small -town charm" (Goal Five: Protect the Town
Character). In order to truly fulfill this vision and achieve these goals for Southold's
future, every development proposal should be met with the highest level of scrutiny
and the willingness to collaboratively arrive at appropriate mitigation measures to
create the best possible development outcome.
Given this, we find the DEIS tol e i�adecljate in a number of key sections Dertainino
to chr.(�ter anm m
timer resoLc�s and call on the Planning Board to ensure that both
the shared visions and goals of the Town are met and that the full extent and
provisions provided within SEQRA be utilized to arrive at the best possible
development proposal that minimizes potential permanent impact.
Impacts to Water Resources:
With regard to wastewater, the DEIS summarizes that the impacts to ground and
surface water quality are negligible based on the the fact that the subdivision map
could provide a density of thirteen homes when only five are proposed. This
reasoning completely disregards the actual impact of wastewater on water quality by
relying on a circumstance of what could have been. This logic is detrimental and
should be addressed within the DEIS by requiring an analysis of the actual impacts the
proposed five homes will impart on water resources.
It is notable that the Town of Southold, in its Positive Declaration (July 2015),
specifically called out impacts of proposed sanitary systems on nearby surface waters
of the greater Peconic Estuary systems, which continues to experience the deleterious
effects of excess nitrogen loading emanating from standard, single- family sanitary
systems. The DEIS is inadequate in addressing these impacts.
Recommendations:
In light of these continuing circumstances and the shared, critical importance of
protecting and preserving the region's water resources, the DEIS should be amended
to incorporate a comparative analysis of the impacts of the use of the proposed
standard sanitary systems for the five homes versus the use of of I/A OWTS. As a
point of mitigation, the DEIS explore the required use of these systems.
It's important to note that on October 6, 2020, Suffolk County passed legislation
modifying its Sanitary Code to require the incorporation of the alternative systems for
all new construction throughout the County. The County's regulations take effect in
July of 2021, but should be required for any new construction that could potentially
impact water resources now.
This recommendation is bolstered by the Town of Southold's recently adopted,
Southold Town Comprehensive Plan recommendations:
Bullet 5 - "Require the use of (/A OWTS or future technologies to achieve the
highest level of effluent treatment in new construction projects" (page 15).
It would be irresponsible to omit this consideration from the DEIS given the the above -
mentioned circumstances.
House Size and Scale
The DEIS uses the term "modest" when discussing the proposed home's size and scale.
However, "modest" is a relative term. The DEIS does not provide analysis of the size
and scale of homes in the adjacent areas to determine what "modest" might consist
of and how the size of the proposed homes could have a negative impact on
community character, aesthetic and the preservation of viewsheds. Additionally, the
DEIS makes zero mention of the Orient community's desire to maintain such character„
These desires are explicitly called out in adopted Town studies and community- driven
endeavors. The DEIS should address how the proposed home size and scale conform to
the following statements.
The Southold Town Comprehensive Plan (one of the Orient community's main goals)
F. Ensure future residential development in the hamlet is in keeping with and
at a scale consistent with the hamlet's character. This goal can be met, in
part, through the implementation of this chapter's Goal 2, which contains a
subsection on updating regulations for Residential Uses including home sizes
(Page 41).
It is important to note that the Orient community strongly favors the protection of
community character through the use of limitations on building sizes. The Orient Plan
Propositions (May 2020), noted,
"No construction shall be permitted that would result in overall housing size
(usable square footage) that is out of scale with the existing housing in the
immediate neighborhood; this provision shall be in addition to zoning
requirements, including lot coverage, setback, height and other limitations.
Recommendations:
The DEIS should provide an analysis of area home sizes and scales. As a form of
mitigation, to ensure that the proposed homes do not create negative impact on
community character, the DEIS should discuss a required covenant that specifies
maximum allowable home sizes of a certain scale.
Conclusion:
We believe strongly that the DEIS did not fully achieve a level of analysis that
provided an honest assessment regarding the impacts of the proposal and therefore, is
deficient in providing mitigation measures that would help to create the best possible
development outcome for this property. We urge the Planning Board to heavily weigh
the Town's Comprehensive Plan and the Orient community's strong desire to protect
its character and environment and to require the recommended mitigation measures.
Thank you for taking the time to review our comments. Should you have any
questions or concerns, please feel free to reach me at your convenience. I can be
reached at "hartltna �el(,�Deastendenvironrnent.oro.
Sincerely,
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Jenn Hartnagel
Senior Environmental Advocate
Group for the East End I PO Box 1792 1 Southold, NY 11971 1
GroupfortheEastEnd.org 1 631.765.6450
PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET
(SCTM # 1000 — 27 — 3)
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANT'S DRAFT EIS
SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File:
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
1 am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7 -8 -2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name:
Sign Full Name _
Property Owner
Local Address:
Additional Comments:
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PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET
(SCTM # 1000 - 27 - 3)
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From: Anne Hopkins xannehmpkins2@idnudzom>
Sent: Monday, December 7,202U6:07PK4
To: Michaelis, Jessica r— —
Subject: TheOohards�ubdividoninOhent
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To: Donald YVilcenski and members ofthe Planning Board
Iam writing in opposition to the proposed Orchards Subdivision in Orient, SCTM#I000-21-7-3. My views
have been very well presented iu the letter from ozy neighbor Barbara Friedman. Aoa member c6 the Orient
Association since its founding in 1985 and resident at 380 Platt Road I am well aware of the threats to our
water supply and the danger of salt water intrusion especially at the location of this proposed project. 7he
subdivision should not be allowed tn proceed usplanned.
Anne Hopkins
380 Platt Road
Orient, N`yl1957
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From: Christine Lauber <lauber.christine @gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 12:32 PM
To: Michaelis, Jessica
Subject: Liserfiche Subdivision Pending Application
I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated October 31,
2020 and the Nancy and Mark Ferraris submission dated November
23, 2020.
As a forty -year resident and owner at 4090 Orchard Street, I am
concerned about the impact on my residence of the proposed
subdivision. I am in full support of the comments of those named
above, as well as the critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plan
last dated 7 -8 -20. An alternative design scheme is a must in order
to address the adverse impacts to the community.
Joel Lauber
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PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AT 2595 ORCHARD STREET
(SCTM # 1000 — 27 — 3)
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANT'S DRAFT EIS
SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
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PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7 -8 -2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name:
Sign Full Name
Property Owner
Local Address:
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COMMENTER P -27
From:
Sent:
To:
Lanza, Heather
Tuesday, January 12, 2021 10:19 AM
Michaelis, Jessica
Cc: Terry, Mark
Subject: FW: The Orchards Subdivision in Orient
Orchards DEIS Comment for the record
From: Drianne Benner [mailto:driannebenner @att.net]
Sent: Monday, January 11, 20217:41 PM
To: Lanza, Heather < heather .lanza @town.southold.ny.us>
Subject: The Orchards Subdivision in Orient
Hello Heather,
Happy 2021. I hope you and your family had a safe and happy one.
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` Planning Board
C -57 Barbara Friedman's letter of January 6th presents a succinct view of the issues and concerns of the community of
neighbors near the proposed sub - division. Many of these concerns have been the focus of the Orient Association
for years, such as house size and water conservation. My question to you is whether the review of the DEIS would
incorporate all of these concerns. This is a process question. What is within scope of the DEIS and what is outside
of the scope of the DEIS? Regardless, the issues concerning water use, quality, and availability are all properly part
of a DEIS. My question is then is what are the water monitoring systems and tools in place that are used to assess
the adequacy of the proposed development in an area that is part of a larger fragile ecosystem, one that will
increasingly be prone to floods, saltwater intrusion, and higher groundwater elevations that come with sea level
rise?
Thank you and best regards,
Drianne Benner
Orient Association
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From: Jim Braddock <Braddock @mitchellgiurgola.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 2:24 PM1►_,tY
To: Michaelis, Jessica ��f C R /
Cc: Barbara Friedman ' `� °-= D
Subject: The Orchard's Subdivision JAN 1 4 2021
Attachments: COMMUNITY SIGNATURE FORM - 011121.pdf
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Planning Board
Hi Jessica,
C -57 Here is my community signature form related to The Orchard's Subdivision in support of the thoughtful and eloquent
comments made by Barbara Friedman.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
James R. Braddock, FAIA
Partner
Mitchell
Giurgola
Mitchell Giurgola Architects LLP
630 Ninth Avenue, Suite 711
New York, NY 10036
212.663.4000
mitchellaiu rgoia.com
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PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW I APPLICANT'S DRAFT EIS
SOUTHOLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC HEARING December 7, 2020 — 6 PM
Full Documents Available Using the Link Below to the
Planning Department Laserfiche Subdivision Pending Application File:
http://24,38.28. 228 :2040 /WebLink/O /doc /617252/Page l .aspx
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RECERIED
JAN 14 2021
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I have reviewed the Barbara Friedman letter dated November 2, 2020 and the Nancy
and Mark Ferraris submission dated November 23, 2020. Also, Barbara's 1/6 letter.
I am in full support of their comments and critical concerns expressed in their respective
responses to the Applicant's DEIS and Proposed Preliminary Plat last dated 7 -8 -2020. An
Alternative design scheme is a must in order to address the adverse impacts to the
community.
Print Full Name: James R. Braddock
Sign Full Name
Property Owner `Yes
Local Address: 45 Platt Road
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Orient, NY 11957
Additional Comments:
C -62 I agree with the Group for the East End 12/6 letter that house size should be studied and
restricted by covenant to assure consistency with surroundings.
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COMMENTER P -29
From: Barbara Cohen <bjcohen @att.net>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 2:28 PM
To: Lanza, Heather
Cc: Michaelis, Jessica; Terry, Mark; Nancy Ferraris
Subject: The Orchards- Draft EIS - Supplemental Submission -Jan 11 2021
Attachments: Ferraris - Orchard St EIS - Supplemental Letter Jan 11 2021.pdf
Dear Ms. Lanza,
I am writing on behalf of Nancy and Mark Ferraris to submit their
supplemental letter focusing directly on water quality and quantity,
informed by professionals in the field.b�
Attached is the document for the record.
Please confirm receipt.
Thanks very much.
RECEIVED
JAN 14 2021
southo(d Town Y
Planning Board
Barbara J. Cohen
BJC Associates, Inc.
PO Box 391
Peconic NY 11958
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COMMENTER P -29
Nancy and Mark Ferraris
3585 Orchard Street ♦ Orient NY 11957
nancyferraris @me.com ♦ 516.375.8149
January 11, 2021
Ms. Heather Lanza, Director
Town Planning Department
Town of Southold
Town Hall Annex Building - 54375 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
Via Email: heather .lanza @town.southold.ny.us
mark. terry@ town. southold. ny. us
Re: Draft EIS for Subdivision Approval of
"The Orchards" - Dated August 2020
Proposed "Cluster" Subdivision"
2595 Orchard Street, Orient NY
SCTM # 1000 -27- 1 -3
Dear Director Lanza and Board Members:
The following is a supplement to our November 23, 2020 submission.
Since the last public hearing on December 7, 2020, we engaged an environmental
consulting firm, Equity Environmental Engineering LLC, to provide a preliminary
review of the water quality and quantity issues presented in the Draft EIS.'
The preliminary findings and outstanding concerns are as follows:
Water Quality: Groundwater Test Results in DEIS
1. Groundwater samples from 11/17/2015
a. Wells #1 and #2 were installed to a total depth of 42 feet below grade.
b. Neither Well #1 nor Well #2 showed exceedances of the Maximum
Contaminant Levels (MCLs) of any compounds.
'Equity Environmental Engineering LLC specializes in the identification and resolution of environmental
problems relating to property site selection and condition assessment, environmental assessment reviews
on the state and local level, geologic /hydrogeologic investigation and remediation of sites known or
suspected to be contaminated by hazardous materials, as well as engineering design, environmental
permitting, discharge prevention plans, and litigation support.
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2. Groundwater samples from 8/17/2017
a. Wells #1 and # 2 were installed to a total depth of 65 feet below grade.
b. Well #1 had nitrate concentrations in excess of the Suffolk County test
well standard of 6 mg /L, but below the MCL of 10 mg /L.
c. Well #2 had nitrate concentrations in excess of the Suffolk County test
well standard of 6 mg /L and in excess of the MCL of 10 mg /L (11.2 mg /L).
d. Well # 2 had an exceedance of the MCL (2.0 ug /L) of aldicarb sulfone (4.2
ug /L) and an aldicarb sulfoxide (6.0 ug /L) exceedance of the MCL of 4.0
ug /L.
e. Well #2 had a concentration of 1,2- dibromoethane that equaled the MCL
of 0.05 ug /L.
Outstanding Concerns;
• The DEIS proposes to treat the water by using a Point of Entry Treatment
NON - COMMENT System at the main water line that will require monitoring, and change out of
treatment units on a continuing basis. What will ensure that monitoring and
appropriate action will take place on a regular basis?
• Although some of the contaminant concentrations in the August 2017 sampling
event exceeded the Suffolk County Test Well Standard, most of them were below
NON - COMMENT the National Drinking Water Standard. However, with an increase in pumping to
accommodate the residential demand for the development, would higher
concentrations of contaminants be drawn into the wells?
Water Quantity: North Fork Aquifer Profile
1. USGS Reports Information on North Fork Groundwater Quantity 2
a. "Fresh ground water on the North Fork is contained within a series of four
hydraulically isolated freshwater flow systems that extend through the upper
glacial and Magothy aquifers. These freshwater flow systems are bounded
laterally by saltwater (in areas near the shore), and at depth by saline ground
water. The movement of fresh ground water in this area is controlled by the
'` Hydrogeologic Framework of the North Fork and Surrounding Areas, Long Island, New York Water -
Resources - Investigations Report 02 -4284 prepared by USGS in cooperation with the Suffolk County
Water Authority (2004); Hydrogeologic- Setting Classification for Suffolk County, Long Island, New York
With Results of Selected Aquifer -Test Analyses by Richard A. Cartwright (1997); USGS Open File Report
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hydraulic properties and boundary conditions of the freshwater flow systems, and
by the distribution of hydraulic head within and adjacent to them."
b. "The extent of fresh ground water on the North Fork is limited by the natural
hydrologic boundaries of the freshwater flow systems and, therefore, by the
hydraulic stresses that control the rate at which freshwater enters and exits the
system. Freshwater is separated from denser saltwater by a zone of diffusion at
the freshwater - saltwater interface, which acts as a relatively impermeable
boundary that moves gradually in response to changes in the balance between
recharge and discharge. The absence of any hydraulic connection to the
Greenport flow system or the Orient flow system indicates that freshwater within
these two flow systems can be replenished only through recharge from
precipitation. Freshwater above the lower confining unit is hydraulically
connected to freshwater beneath this unit in three areas —near Mattituck Creek,
southwest of James Creek, and near the northwestern shore of Flanders Bay —
where the lower confining unit is absent."
c. Freshwater -Salt Water Interface
"This hydrogeologic setting is restricted to the eastern forks of Long Island and
represents freshwater lenses that are bounded laterally and below by saltwater.
The freshwater lenses are isolated from the rest of Long Island's fresh
groundwater system and, therefore, have no adjacent freshwater source that
could provide recharge."
"The North Fork contains a series of freshwater lenses, that generally decrease
in thickness eastward. Thicknesses range from about 550 ft (Bohn- Buxton and
others, 1996) at the western end of the North Fork to about 90 ft (McNew and
Arav, 1995) near the eastern end and approach zero close to the shore."
"Under natural (non - pumping) conditions, the position of the freshwater /saltwater
interface represents a relatively static balance of fluid pressures of the freshwater
and the denser, underlying saltwater. The position of this interface can shift in
response to changes in pumping and other hydrologic stresses."
"Movement of the freshwater /saltwater interface results in a zone of diffusion,
and excessive withdrawals from public - supply wells can cause upconing of
saltwater and move the interface far enough inland to cause contamination of the
freshwater supply. The other major source of groundwater degradation in this
hydrogeologic setting is surface contaminants, especially pesticides and
fertilizers used on the many farms in this area; Soren and Stelz (1984) cited
widespread contamination by the highly toxic carbamate pesticide, aldicarb
(trademark TEMIK, Union Carbide Corp. 1) on the North and South Forks."
As is well known and documented, the hydrogeologic setting of the North Fork is
most vulnerable. With maximum water pumping from below ground, evidence of
salt water has begun to intrude into the aquifer. This situation is exacerbated by
the permanent water level shifts and global warming trends, as local ground
water tables are trending toward dropping permanently. Changing sea levels
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due to global warming can be expected to affect coastal drinking water wells by
raising the level of salty water.
C -63 Based on the above information, determining the availability of groundwater in the area
through hydraulic testing is needed.
Outstanding Concerns
• The Draft EIS provides no evidence that hydraulic testinq has been or is
scheduled to be performed. The purpose of the test is to determine the ability of
the aquifer to support the proposed pumping and to design the pump system that
is appropriate for the local conditions. The location of test should be on the
subject property in question.
• If the pump test shows that the available flow rate is less than that needed for the
development as proposed, restriction on the scope of the proposed development
will required and the proposed plan modified.
2. Agricultural Irrigation 3
The Draft EIS provides a NYS DEC letter dated July 30, 2018 provides for an
Irrigation Permit that allows pumping of groundwater from the surficial aquifer for
irrigation use. It states that: "Installation and operation of one (1) 6 -inch diameter
irrigation well to a depth of 45 feet and equipped with a pumping capacity of 175
gallons per minute (gpm) ". It also states that he Annual Pumpage is limited to 4
million gallons per calendar year.
Since there is no mention of conservation efforts in neither the SCHDS nor the
NYSDEC, it is undetermined as to whether these conditions are appropriate for this
subject site and the larger Orient and North Fork community.
Outstanding Concerns:
• Although the permit authorizes the capacity of 175 gpm, the Draft EIS does not
provide pump testing evidence that this capacity can be supported by the
groundwater supply, particularly with full build -out of the proposed plan combined
with aggressive, unrestricted, agricultural use of the open space designated as
part of Lot 1.
• Typically, irrigation pumping rates are higher than residential pumping rates,
putting greater stress on the aquifer, and potentially increasing the lowering of
the water table and saltwater intrusion. Furthermore, a dry season can make it
worse.
NYS DEC Permit ID 1- 4738 - 04435/00001- Modification # 1 Expiration Date 6/28/2027
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C -64 The adjacent residential development proposed on the subject site as well as the
nearby homes will be negatively impacted for years to come if proper testing is
not required and if Open Space Conservation Easement does not provide
restrictions for use /activities, crop limitations, and the water - related issues.
Highlighting the shortcomings of the Draft EIS as it relates to water quality and quantity
is of the utmost importance. The Planning Board's evaluation of the Open Space
Conservation Easement will also be critical as it needs to address many issues that will
guide the subdivision and its impact on the community well into the future
This priority, along with the many other factors detailed in our November 23rd
submission, clearly supports the need for the Planning Board to demand better from the
Applicant.
Thank you very much for your consideration.
Respectfully submitted,
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Nancy and Mark Ferraris
Nancy and Mark Ferraris