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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
JUNE 19, 1984
WORK SESSION
Present; Supervisor Francis J. Murphy, Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.,
Justice Raymond W. Edwards, Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh, Councilman James A.
Schondebare, Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran, Town Clerk Judith T. Terry, Town
Attorney Robert W. Tasker, Superintendent of Highways Raymond C. Dean.
9:15 A.M. - The Board discussed the New York State Uniform Fire Prevention
and Building] Code, the employment of a temporary Fire Insp. ector for the Town
(see Resolution No. 8), two-family conversions, and increas.ng the amount of insurance
for a Fireworks event, (see Resolution No. 29). ~
EXECUTIVE SESSION
9:45 A.M. - The Board met with Charles Hamilton, DEC, Stony Brook, relative
to the DEC's role in the Silverman liti~lation.
WORK SESSION
10;15 A;M. - William H. Price, Sr., McMann-Price Insurance A~lenc¥, met with
the Board to discuss the Town's insurance coverage. Mr. Price reviewed the Town's
various insurance coverages and stated he feels the Town has a very good insurance
program, which was set up three years ago by William Mullen, Licensed Insurance
Consultant.
10:55 A.M. - Recess - The l~own Board, Town Clerk and Town Attorney
attended the Annual Tournament Awards Ceremony for the Southold Town Senior
Citizens at the Senior/Youth Center, Peconic.
1:25 P.M. - Work Session reconvened and the Board discussed off-agenda
items; Orient Point Inn; proposed purchase of property on Lower Road, Southold
and construction of a sump; proposed public hearing on a Captain Kidd Water
District; beach damage at Kenney's Beach; establishment of a Water Advisory
Committee.
· 2;35 P.M. - John J. Munzel, Es(:]., representinc, I Stony Brook Construcf~ion
Corp., c~eneral contractor for the Collection Center, appeared before the Board
to discuss the New York State assessment for additional payroll, and the notice
from the N.Y.S. Depl;. of Labor to the Town of Southold to withhold payment
on the contract. Mr. Munzel stated that the bid documents were issued with
r-~deral wage rates only, the N.Y.S. wage rates were not included. Mr. and
Mrs. Stebbins and Richard Wulforst of Stony Brook Construction were present
during this discussion and presented a list of extra work done by Stony Brook
at no cost to the Town, which if they asked payment for, would exceed the ,
$12,789.01 surcharge from N.Y.State. Supervisor Murphy indicated that the
Board does not feel responsible, it was the responsibility of Stony Brook to be
certain they complied with all State and Federal regulations. The Board will
discuss this further and contact Mr. Munzel relative to their final decision.
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REGULAR MEETING
3:00 P.M.
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday,
June 19, 1984, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Supervisor Murphy called the meeting to order at 3:00 P.M. with the Pledge
of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present:
Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
Councilman James A. Schondebare
Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd like to welcome you all to the Regular Town Board
Meeting of the Town of Southold. I'd like to ask for a resolution to approve
the minutes of the Regular Meeting of June 5th.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board,
held on June 5, 1984, be and hereby are approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondel~are,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor ,.Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd like a resolution to approve the audit of the Fishers
Island Ferry District bills on June 19, 1984.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, i~ was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appro~,es the
payment of Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $10,205.98.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And a resolution to set the next Regular Meeting of the
Southold Town Board, July 3rd, 1984 at 7:30 P.M. Being that the next days a
holiday, would the Board rather have it as an afternoon meeting?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN, JUSTICE EDWARDS: Afternoon meeting.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: It doesn't matter to me if it's afternoon or evening.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Make it an afternoon meeting, and if we skipped it there
would be too many resolutions, so I'd like to amend the first resolution to change
it to 3:00 o'clock on July 3rd.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the next RegUlar Meeting of"~he Southold Town Board will be
held ast 3:00 P.M., Tuesday, July 3, 1984, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road,
Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
I. REPORTS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Moving on to the first item of the agenda, Reports.
might say that these are all on record in the Town Clerk's Office for anyone.
1.
2
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
anything
Town Trustees monthly report - May 1984.
Town Assessor's ,monthly report - May 1984.
Town Justice Edwards' monthly report - May 1984.
Town Police overtime report - January through May 1984.
Planner's report (Szepatowski Associates) for May 1984.
Police Department's monthly report - May 1984.
Town Justice Tedeschi's monthly report - May 1984.
Councilmen's reports. I would like to as the Councilmen if they have
to report. Jay?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: We've been attending a lot of meetings. We had
the Water Advisory Group last night. We had a meeting with Assemblyman Sawicki.
We had a Planning/Code meeting. In any event, it will be published in the papers
in regards to the meeting that we had with Assemblyman Sawicki and the 2% tax
that has been kicking around. I think we all know what the concensus was, w---~ll
wait and see what happens on the South Shore. The nice thing about those people
is they're always a couple of years ahead of us and if they do a good job, we might
follow it, and if they don't we'll be prepared. Someone was talking about going up
to Nantucket and they know it will probably be at their own expense rather than
the Town, is that correct? No comment?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: You were going.
COUNCILMAN SCHONEBARE: I wasn't planning on going. On the Planninc~/Code,
we're trying to straighten out the relationship between the Zoning Board and the
Planning Board in our efforts, ongoing, to streamline the Town government so that
when people come in for a zoning request, or setoffs, etc., that things are a little
more simple and simplified and they can get through one agency of the Town govern-
ment into the other with the least amount of difficulty, and I think that was a very
productive meeting that .we got into. And that's about it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Councilman Townsend?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Well, Jay mentioned a lot .of the meetings we went to.
One very important meeting was with the Master Planners, and we discussed changes
to the proposed Master Plan. There were certain problems that arose and consequently
we've scheduled a meeting with the Planning Board for Friday at 10:30 to go over some
of those problem areas and hopefully work out something that will end up being the
basis of our new plan. In addition to that I met with several local carters and
contractors to discuss problems with our permits and fee schedule, and also physical
problems at the Landfill. I came back with a long list of suggestions which I think
will be very helpful in eliminating a lot of the bugs, no pun intended, at the [:and-
fill, and I reported to the Town Board on that last night and to Frank today.
Negotiations have started with the Animal Welfare League for the Do9 Contract. I
hope to talk to the Board shortly after this meeting on that. That's about all I have.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Joe. Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Jay mentioned the Fire Code meetincg we had and
I think it was a most informative one, one that I didn't realize we had some problems
in the Town with violations in some of the public areas, and the Town Board has
acted promptly, and I think we're going to correct that problem by hiring somebody
part-time and we'll be taking care of that in the resolutions today. Also, I'm in
the parks setup and one of the things I was 'asked to do is to get involved with the
park down the end of South Harbor Road. It's a Town park, not Town, it's a
Southold Park District park, and what they want to do is set up a lifec~uard there,
but it's a very complicated thing because there's two or three parts of property that
are involved, the Town, the Park District, and the Wortis Estate, and we've worked
most of those problems out with the help of Bob and the Highway Department and
the Parks Department, and I had Bob Muir down there looking at it and he feels it's
probably going to be one of the best swim areas we have in the Town and it looks
like that's going to work out very well. I was down to the ramp down in New Suffolk,
and Ray Dean, I'd like to report to him, he's not here, but had hoped to Speak
to him, needs a little correction. They have a problem there, but otherwise most
of the parks are starting to shape up pretty well.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Paul. Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I have nothing to report at this time. I will be
meeting with Supervisor Murphy on Thursday mornincI to determine what committees
I will be servinq on, so I'm sure henceforth I will have something to report to you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Jean. Judge Edwards?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Just that we've .begun our summer invasion out on, the Island~
and we've settled about six inches, I think, down in the water, and the two girls
that are doing the BTI Proqram on mosquito control on there, I was talkin~l with
John Thatcher coming over on the ferryboat last evening and who was quite involved
in this BTI and said that the results that they're getting are tremendous and I'll
have a full report--a better report from them possibly in the early July meeting.
The Gambusia, that's the little mosquito eating lava fish, that were deposited over
there, was unreal what they did when they first put them in.the water, the way
they went after the lava, and this one pond in particular that they're watching,
the girls were quite surprised at the results of the BTI and we're very lucky to
have these two girls, they're doing a tremendous job and we certainly hope that
we can look forward to keeping them for another yea~. Thank you.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Ray. I'm glad it's working out. Been a very
busy two weeks and a tremendous amount has gone on. About the only thing I
could add further to what hasn't been discussed already, is that we are applyinq
for a (]rant throuqh the Nutrition Proqram for a Senior Day Care Center for those
partially disabled or who the families do need some break in their everyday schedules.
It's a small grant and we hope to get it and set it up as one of the pilot programs.
I went down and met with the Commissioner and Vee (McKeighan) and I pleaded our
cause and I think we might get it, we stand a very good chance.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Moving on to the second item on the agenda, Public
Notices.
1. News Release on "Hurricane Awareness" Pro~ram. These are also posted
on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board.
2. Public Notice Supplement on the Westside Highway Project (Westway).
We do have to post this.
3. Good and bad news for the people living around New Suffolk Avenue. The
three bridges are just about complete and the road has been reopened to traffic.
There is still a little more punch-list work to be done down there and I think any-
one who has ridden down there will see it really did not have an affect on the
neighbors and the road that was feared by someone when this was first proposed
about three years ago, and I think they did a very good job to blend in to the
ecology around there and there still is additional planting to be done down there.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH.' Are they going to correct the one problem--one
of the roads is sort of caving off--the black top there.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That has been fixed.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH; That has been fixed?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: On the middle bridge there. They wouldn't accept it;'
I11. COMMUNICATIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 1 is from Suffolk County Industrial Development
Agency I Wanted put on for everybody to know that William J. Mills & Company
was given the initial approval for financing on their project in Greenport.
2. From Senator Moynihan concerning Industrial Development Bonds which
we've been working closely with the County to try to get different business in
this Town involved and to expand the scope.
3. Not only just to the Southold Town Board, this is, I think, to everyone
in the Town of Southold and it is: ;"On behalf of the Board of Directors of the
North Fork Soccer League, I would like to personally invite the entire Town Board
(and the Town) to North Fork Soccer League's first "Openin9 Day" ever held. It
will be on Sunday, July 1, 1984, at the Mattituck High School soccer fields from 1
to 5 P.M. The boys and girls who make up our soccer league: are from Laurel,
Mattituck, Cutchogue, Greenport, and Oysterponds. This year's 26 teams plus 4
guest teams (most likely from Southold), will be playing mini-games throughout the
afternoon." And asks anyone to stop by and see what the youth are doing. "
4. From a man who took time out (W. J. Albro) to thank the Town Board
for the great improvement up in the Southold Town Landfill on our new Collection
Buildin9.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We're not ready for Public H~arings so we'll move on to
Item V, the Resolutions and the first one is a transfer of funds.
V. RESOLUTIONS.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
following transfer within the General Fund Whole Town 1984 Budget:
From: A962 - Budgetary Provisions for other uses ..... $7,000.00
Into: A1335.2 - Assessors, Equipment ................... $7,000.00
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Budgetary Provisions for other uses. ~l'm not ~amiliar
with that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This was a line item in the budget. This is going into
for the cars that we went to bid for.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND; I know, but what normally is budgetary--when you
talk about other uses, what is that?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I really--I'd have to check with Joan. I'll have you an
answer later.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Are these economy cars, Frank?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes.
1- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
2. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
followin9 transfer within the General Fund Part Town 1984 Budget:
From: B1990.4- Contingent ........................ $7,000.00
Into: B3620.2 - Building Inspector, Equipment .... -$7,000.00
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 3 is to execute an agreement.
3. Moved by Councilman Stoutenbur§h, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an agreement between the Town
of Southold and Lori Brooks to conduct an inventory and survey of the creeks
in the Cutchogue area, to determine the number, location and status of docks,
mooring stakes and other structures located therein, and to identify the same on
Town maps in order to assist the Trustees in the performance of its duties; to
commence on June 25, 1984 and complete all work on or before July 31, 1984, ~t
a contract sum of $1,000.00; $250.00 to be paid upon execution of the agreement,
$500.00 on July 16, 1984, and $250.00 on July 31, 1984, or when all work is
completed. -'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 4 is to execute an agreement with Deborah Shalvey.
4. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town .of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an agreement between the Town
of Southold and Deborah Shalvey to conduct an inventory and survey of the creeks
in the Cutchogue area, to determine the number, location and status of docks,
mooring stakes and other structures located therein, and to identify the same on
Town maps in order to assist the Trustees in the performance of its duties; to
commence on June 25, 1984 and complete all work on or before July 31, 1984, at
a contract sum of $1,000.00; $250.00 to be paid upon execution of the agreement,
$500.00 on July 16, 1984, and $250.00 on July 31, 1984, or when all work is
completed.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 5 is a salary step increment for Diane Schultze.
§. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby 9rants Diane M.
Schultze, Clerk-Stenographer in the Office of the Planning Board, here Step I '
salary increment in the amount of $500.00, effective July 1, 1984.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'd like to commend Ms. Schultze on the job she's
doing in the very short term that she's been there. I think she's done a
remarkable job in picking up the loose ends that were left when both her
predecessor and the Planning Board predecessores--and Planning Chairman
left.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I agree, Joe, thanks, and I will pass it on to her.
She has been doing an excellent job. Any other questions?
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COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I'd just like to say I think the personality of
the girl is extremely well for that position too, she has a nice way of meeting
people.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's nice to hear.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 6 is to appoint Linda Cooper.
Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Linda J.
Cooper, Clerk-Typist in the Office of the Town Clerk, from the Suffolk County
Civil Service List, effective July 1, 1984, at a salary of $8,500.00 per annum.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 7 is to execute an agreement on Section 8 Housing.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an agreement between the U. S.
Department of Husin9 and Urban Development and the Town of Southold for the
Section 8 Existin9 Housin9 Assistance Program to provide decent, safe and sanitary
housing for Eligible Families pursuant to Section 8 under the United States Housing
Act of 1937.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: This is the first time we've done this, right,
Frank?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Why wasn't this done in the past? Is this the
first time they've come out with this, or has it been out here before?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Not available, was it, Jim?
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR JAMES C. McMAHON: It was available
to the Town through the Suffolk County Development Corporation got Section 8
Certificates and they were available to residents of Southold Town, but the
Town really wasn't made aware of those Section 8 Certifi'cates and people in
Southold Town were competing with all of Suffolk County fop those Certificates,.
so to my knowledge, no Certificates ever found their way into Southold. This
way we're guaranteed 35 Certificates.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: But why didn't the Town Board do the same
thing last year?
MR. McMAHON: The Town Board knew about it. It is a very time-consuming
and it's a lot of aggravation as far as the paper work is concerned. I led the
Greenport Housing Alliance to believe that it wasn't as difficult to adminster
than they found out later. It is a--the paper work and the regulations and
everything else involved in the project, you'd almost have to be crazy to take
this project on, but it does provide 35 units of rent-subsidized housing and I
think most of the municipalities that g?t.it, if they could get 70 units or 100
units they'd take it.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Greenport has been doing this for four or five years.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: By joining the Alliance it's much easier too for So.~thold
Town.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Their experienced in administrating this, so---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions on it? And I think also, Jay,
there's probably more of a need than there was a year or two years ago, for---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: And rents have gone up so high.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Rents and land values and the scarcity of units. Any
other questions? (No response.)
7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 8 is to appoint Robert Fisher as temporary Fire
Inspector.
8. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Robert A.
Fisher, Cutchogue, New York, as a temporary Fire Inspector for the period June 19,
1984 through September 15, 1984, at a salary of $8.00 per hour.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, on this we discussed this this morning. With
the new State Code, which went into a Building Code and Fire Code combined,
went into in effect on January 1st, we had no more part-time volunteer Fire
Inspectors and so what we're doing now, where all new construction is in
compliance with the new State Code, what we're trying to do now is go back to
all of existing business and places of assembly, do a physical inspection, advise
the owners of potential fire hazards, take the measurements, establish the seating
capacity of these places. This man that we're hiring is Assistant Fire Chief from
Cutchogue Fire Department. He has got extensive background in shop and mechanical
drawing experience. I think he'll be a big asset. The reason he's appointed
temporary is he is a teacher and we will be using him full-time in the summer.
The Civil Service Commission realizing our problem and that we don't have the
real need for a year-around full-time Fire Inspector per se, that this will fill the
gap for us. We hope to get all of our inspections done this summer and then
very possibly appoint him as a part-time Fire Inspection, where he could work,
through Civil Service, up to 20 hours a week from there one. Any other questions?
(No response.) ~
8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor.~lurphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 9, allow the Police Chief to go off to a conference.
9. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Justice'Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Chief
of Police H. Daniel Winters to attend the 1984 Trainin9 Conference of tl~e New York
State Association of Chiefs of Police at Albany, New York, and the actual cost for
travel, meals, lodging and registration, in an amount not to exceed $500.00, shall
be a legal charge against the Town of Southold Police Contractual 1984 Budget.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions?
COUNCIl_MAN STOUTENBURGH: I would just like to suggest that perhaps maybe,
it doesn't apply to this particular person, but anybody that goes out on these kind
of conferences, where we're spending taxpayers money, ,there should be some sort
of accounting. I don't care if they come before the Board at a time and iust tell
what went on, but I think we should know what goes on at these things so that ..
we at least feel we're getting our money's worth out of them.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: He generally reports to the Police Committee.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: And he tells us.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Well, does...that get turned over to the Town
Board ?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: There should be minutes.
COUNCILMAN
Committee.
STOUTENBURGH:
But we don't get the minutes of the Police
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Not lately, no.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: But I feel--I don't care if it's the Police, or if
it's a Building Inspector, or what, I think this way---someone's going out on
computers. I think it would be good that we understand what they saw there, so
that we could at least keep a little abreast of what's 9oing on.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'll have him back to report. It will be through a Work
Session of the Board.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: And it doesn't have to be a special one. I could
be when they have the Building Inspector in, "Well, what did .you do at that meeting,
particularly?" I don't see anything wrong with that.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No, good suggestion.
9.-Vote of the Town Board: Abstain: Councilwoman Cochran. Ayes: Councilman
Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend,
Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd like a resolution to recess our Regular Meeting while
we hold some public hearings.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be recessed, at 3:30 P.M. for the purpose
of holding three Public Hearings:
3:30 - Application of Paul Kelly for a Wetland Permit (Cancelled).
3:32 - Application of Enconsultants, Inc., on behalf of Walter Trappe, for a
Wetland Permit.
3:35 - Application of The Land Use Company, on behalf of George Sweeney,
for a Wetland Permit.
3:37 - Application of Costello Marine Contracting Corp., on behalf of James B.
Ford, for a Wetland Permit.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Meeting reconvened at 3:50 P.M.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We move back to our regular agenda. Resolution Number
10 has been cancelled. (Lead Agency on the Wetland Applica~0n,.~--"~n~--~onyd~
Tamburrino. )
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: On this one, did DEC declare themselves lead
agency and didn't tell us again?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Right, they completed the whole application, issued a
permit and if you want to go ahead and do it also, you can, but they have
completed the process and issued a permit. If you wish not to cancel it, you
may go forward with it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They did tell us we can go forward?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Yes, you can act independently, but DEC said the,SEQR
process has been completed by them on it, but they didn't coordinate it with us,
so we may go forward with it.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: And require the applicant to go through another
SEQR process all over again? It doesn't seem right. I don't know why the DEC
is hot telling us things.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Would you like to cancel it, Jay?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yes.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, move on to Resolution Number 11---anybody else
have any objection to cancelling it? (No objections from the Board.) Okay, move
on to Resolution Number 11 to appoint Alex Stepnoski.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Alexander
Stepnoski to the position of Maintenance Mechanic II1, effective July 1, 1984, at a
salary of $16,000.00 per annum.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions anyone?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: What is he making now?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'm not sure, Jay.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: What are we increasin,g it to?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It was the next step up for him. It was recommended by
Mr. Dean about six months ago..
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes, I remember that.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I remember it came up six mo~nths ago.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And he couldn't be appointed at that time because he
didn't have a high school equivalency diploma, and since then he did take it and
he does have a valid high school equivalency diploma. This is a Civil Service
status stipulation.
JUNE 19, 1984
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: He's been here one year, right? How much was
he making then and what's he going to make now? What's the increase? What's
the raise?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I don't have his old figure, Jay, I'll get it for you if
you like--we'll hold--
TOWN CLERK TERRY: You can buzz down and ask Joan what he makes per hour.
You can lay this aside and come back to it.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes, just move on to the next one and set this
aside.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: You want to hold on to it?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Put it aside until we get the info.,
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, Number 12, a non-significant determination or
significant determination on Matt-A-Mar. Environmental Assessment. Do you want
to make a significant ~etermination or a non-significant?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: This is the 450 feet long dock so we can hang up
dingys along it, right?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Right.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I would make a recommendation that it not have a
significant effect and then deny the project, rather than go through the whole
SEQR process.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: If it has no effect, then how can you deny i~?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: We did that once before.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I think it does have a significant effect.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I think it does too.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Then it's up to him.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Would someone like to make a motion one way or the other?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, would you like non-significant or a significant?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I want to make a non-significant determination, cut
off the SEQR process so we don't have more paper work, and then deny it right
now.
TOWN CLERK TERRY:
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
Would somebody like to second a non-significant determination?
Anyone like to second a non-significant determination?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: I'll second it.
12. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
(a) RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law State
Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10 and Chapter 44
of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is hereby given that the Southold Town
Board, as lead agency for the action described below, has determined that the project,
which is unlisted, will not have a significant'"effect on the environment.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Application of Matt-A-Mar Marina for a permit under the
provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold to construct ramp, walk-
way, and floating dock on property located off of the west side of Wickham Avenue,
on Mattituck Creek, Mattituck, New York.
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the eoviron-
ment for the following reasons: '
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated that no
significant adverse effect on the environment are likely to occur should the project
be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Southold Town Conservation
Advisory Council indicating that this project would not have a significant effect
on the environment.
Because there has been no response in the allotted time-from the New York
State Department of Environmental Conservation and the Southold Town Buildin_q
Department, it is assumed that there are no objections nor comments from those
agencies.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions?
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COUNCILMAN $CHONDEBARE: On the question on the motion. If you're not
going to give him the 450 feet to begin with, to tie up the dingys, I can see no
sense in having these applicants go through this whole SEQR process and then
turn around at the last minute and deny it on them.
COUNCILMAN $TOUTENBURGH: Except, Bob---
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: If you have a question in your mind that it might
have a significant effect on the environment, then you have the SEQR process,
but if you've already determined in your mind--and I've, frankly, already determined
in my mind that I'm not going to go along with the 450 feet, linear feet, out in the
creek, and I'm not going to give them the dinghys, so why should I then give him
the SEQR process, and make him go through, if I've already decided I'm not going
to give it to him?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's up to him to decide, I believe.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: But if I'm going to deny it at the end, why make
the applicant go through this whole thing.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Jay, could I ask Bob. if you say there's no effect,
can you then say no to something, logically? Can't he come back to you and say,
"Look, there's no effect, what are you saying?"
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: This is a question we have discussed several times.
What Jay presumably wishes to do is to speed on to the merits and deny it. But,
if you make a determination of non-significance, it weakens your denial of the
application on the merits, because you can't raise SEQR issues, environmental
issues, as a reason for not granting the permit. Is this one of those cases where
the Trustees have made the determination?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Have they denied it?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Why don't you do what you did in the past?
COEINClLMAN STOUTENBURGH: Because--
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: We're not. The SEQR process is another arrow
in your bow, or another string on your bow, if you read it. I don't think we
need it in this case.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: If you make a determination of significance, the
question is whether the applicant is going to provide you with an ElS. He may
drop it in view of the fact that he's already been denied the permit.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Do you see that? Do you:understand that one,
Jay?
COUNCILMAN $CHONDEBARE: Yes, I understand it. The Trustees have already
denied and we deny it, I think on this one, the merits alone, I think we're strong
enough on it.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: But if the merits are strong enough then you can
say there is some effect, detrimental effect, and you should follow through on that
and make them prove that there isn't.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE; I just can't see the sense in going through--
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I realize what you're saying.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: The chances are, Jay, in view of the fact that he
can't build it, because he's already been denied the permit by the Trustees, tl~at
he won't go any further.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Right, we're worried about the wetlands a~ain.
The Trustees are the bottoms and they've already said no. All we're talking about
is the fringe, where there are wetlands, so what's the sense of saying okay on the
wetlands, if we decide to do it, when he couldn't it when the Trustees already told
him no.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: He might challenge the Trustees.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH.' We're not saying ok'ay, Jay.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: So let the Board say no to wetlands, the Trustees
have said no to the bottom of the creek, and that's--he's got problems.
JUNE 19, 1984
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: All right, anyone else like to discuss it? You want to
vote on Jay's non-significant determination.
12.-VOTE OF THE TOWN BOARD ON RESOLUTION NO. 12(a)NON-SIGNIFICANT
(a) DETERMINATION - MATT-A-MAR WETLAND APPLICATION:
Ayes: Councilman Schondebare, Justice Edwards. Noes: Councilwoman
Cochran, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared LOST.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Now, who would like to make a significant determination,
a resolution of significant determination?.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I would like to.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, I'll second it, Jean.
12. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Supervisor Murphy,
(b) WHEREAS, Matt-A-Mar Marina heretofore applied to the Southold Town Board,
pursuant to Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, for permission to
construct ramp, walkway, and floating dock on property located off west side of
Wickham Avenue, on Mattituck Creek, Mattituck, New York.
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS:
1. That pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conserva-
tion Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations,
and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Southold Town Board, as lead ac~encv,
does hereby determine that the action proposed is a Type I action and is likely
to have a significant effect on the environment.
2. That the Town Clerk shall file and circulate such determination as
required by the aforementioned law, rules and code.
3. That the Town Clerk immediately notify the applicant, Matt-A-Mar Marina
of this determination, and further request said applicant to prepare a Draft Environ-
mental Impact Statement, all in accordance with said law, rules and code.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
12.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Stoutenburgh,
(b) Justice I=ctwarcls~ ~Jobncmlman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy. No: Councilman
Schondebare: For the reasons I stated before.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, move back to Resolution No. 11 -(appointment of
Alexander Stepnoski to the position of Maintenance Mechanic III, effective July 1,
1984, at a salary of $16,000.00 per annum.) Alex's present salary if $12,712.00 a
year. You're talking about $3,288.00 increase.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: And what would that be for, exactly?
· SUPERVISOR MURPHY: He would be basically be doing the same work. He would
be more of a supervisor in his position, still doing the work. We would fully want
him to be in charge of the maintenance staff, and he is doing the actual building
construction, any repairs that are needed in the building. It is an extremely good
bargain for that type of person. I could guarantee you that type of person, going
out into the market would be making much more money than this.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: How many people does he manage?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Two. Any other questions?
11.- VOTE'OF"THE 'TOWN' BOARD ON RESOLUTION NO. 11
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Stoutenburgh,
Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. No: ..-.Councilman Schondebare. Abstain:
Councilman Townsend.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We're up to Number 13, Wetland Application of Matt-A-Mar
Marina. You want to deny this?
.~ COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Now wait a minute, didn't we just say---
' SUPERVISOR MURPHY: You had a significant determination..
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Significant determination, so now you have the
SEQR process.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: You can't deny it now, can you, until we have
the hearing?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: You have had a hearing. The hearing was held on May
22nd. You must act now or the 30 days will expire and it will automatically be
granted.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And we have to act today.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: If you do not make a decision it will be deemed granted
under your Wetland Ordinance.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Can I say something here? You haven't finished
your SEQR process yet, you have just made a significant determination, which
means that the applicant has the opportunity to prepare his Environmental Impact
Statement, and you cannot make a final decision on the merits of the application
until that process is completed.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Then why have we been doing it all along this way?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Because several times we had to deny it without
prejudice.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Excuse me, Mr. Tasker. Where are we under the Wetland
Ordinance, which ways if we do not take action on this it is deemed granted.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Well, I guess the answer is that you don't schedule
the hearing on the merits of the application until you finish the SEQR process.
This is another problem that we have when we have time restraints in our Code.
Before we had SEQR we had this 30 day in there and I discussed with the Trustees
the question of removing that 30 day limitation so that you can coordinate the
application on the merits with the SEQR process. But the way it is now, we can't
do that, because once you hold a hearing, unless you do not close the hearing and
continue the hearing by recessing it, you run out of the 30 days, in which event
the permit is automatically granted. So, the question is whether you should proceed
first with your SEQR process, and conclude that before you proceed with a hearing
on the merits of the permit.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We've had this hearing already, though.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I know that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Can we deny it without prejudice?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: You're going to have to, otherwise it will be granted.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: We did that with Silverman. We found it significant
and then we denied it without prejudice.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: You did it with three of them recently.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Denied without prejudice.
Moved by Councilman St0utenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran,
WHEREAS, Matt-A-Mar Marina applied to the Southold Town Board for a permit
under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold,. application
dated March 22, 1984, and
WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and
Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their findings and recommenda~
tions, and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said
application on the 22nd day of May, 1984, at which time all interested persons
were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Matt-A-Mar Marina be denied, without prejudice to reappl¥,
permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold
to construct ramp, walkway, and floating dock on property located off west side
of Wickham Avenue, on Mattituck Creek, Mattituck, New York.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions on it?
COUNCIl-MAN TOWNSEND: Why can't We just deny it on the merits?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: You haven't heard the merits, you haven't heard
his SEQR on it.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: We 'can deny it on other basis, can't we?
SUP£RVISOR MURPHY: Bob, would you have another public hearing, being
that we determined that it was a significant determination?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: A hearing on what?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: If he ever submits his Draft Environmental Impact
Statement.
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TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: When he submits his Draft Impact Statement, then
you have to make a determination of whether or not you want to hear it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: All right, so this would be right in denying this now.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: If you ultimately want the option of ultimately denying
the Wetland Permit, you have to keep--you're going to run out of the 30 days.
The point is that perhaps you should start your SEQR process on these applications
first and get to a point, either of concluding them and then picking up on your
hearing on the Wetland Application itself, otherwise if you take the first step of
setting it down for a hearing and then start the SEQR process, you will not have
finished the SEQR process in the 30 days required for you to make a decision on
the granting or denying of the application, so I say the only way you can handle
it is to do the SEQR process first.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: That's the way we used to do it. And then I was told
not to do it that way anymore, because we should have the public hearing to
determine if there was any information going to be brought forth. Now we're
going to go back to--
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: You're going to have that problem. You're going to
have the problem, but at least you won't have granted a permit by default. The
answer is--you can deny this one without prejudice, like you did with that one in
Nassau Point, but the problem is that you cannot, in the time constraints required
under SEQR, and the time restraints required under your Wetland's Law, you cannot
coordinate. They just don't coordinate. The only time that they can coordinate is
if you make a negative determination.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: And then just deny it.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: And then deny it. But that puts you in the position
of having to make a negative declaration solely for the purpose of getting to the
merits to deny it, and it puts in issue if you should get an attack on the denial
of the permit, that you can't argue that it was denied for environmental purposes,
because you made a negative determination.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: And you arbitrarily just can't make up your mind
you don't want it or do want it, you must have reasons for it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, where are on this?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: We're ready to vote on a denial.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: The only other.thing I can suggest is not to close
the hearing, recess the hearing and it still continues and you're 30 days doesn't
stop running yet. That's another way of handling it. No matter how you do it
it's not going to be a clean process.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; All right, there is a hearing in Hauppauge tomorrow on
the SI~QR process, right, tomorrow I believe. ..
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: There's a seminar, you mean, on SEQR?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes. Is there a member of the Town Board that would
be able to go and would it be possible, Bob, for you to go?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I don't know whether I can go tomorrow.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, let's look into it after. I think it's most important
to resolve it. Any other questions? "'
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Frank, yes, I don't want to belabor this, but since
a lot of these Wetlands wi~'re going to give over to the Trustees, and we'll still get
stuck with some SEQR on zoning, but I think that the Trustees and maybe some
Town Board members should go up to Hauppauge and attend it also, or we should
have our own seminar here in the Town Hall with some and Bob and we'all ought
to be here and let's learn this stuff.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: That's a good idea.
COUNCIl-MAN SCHONDEBARE: It's six months, we've got a lot of literature and
we should know what we're doing.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I agree, Jay, and When it keeps changing around.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yes, that's the problem.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: It doesn't change.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I know it doesn't.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: We don't keep up with it, that's our problem.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Let's vote. Any other questions on it? (No response.)
Let's vote on this, Judy.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: ~Does this fit in,iBob, legally, as the part of the
process we're supposed to be following? Are we out of order in approving this?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Well, it's not a clean legal process, if that's what
you're talking about, because the Wetland's Law says that you should be making
a decision within 30 days after you completed your hearing on the Wetlands Applica-
tion.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: And we didn't recess the hearing, we closed it.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: So, therefore, I again say that you ought to address
the SEQR process first.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I understand that.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: And this is a good example.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: How can we keep the hearing going, Bob?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: By recessing, by not closing, so then your 30 days
doesn't run. Now, a cleaner way of doing it is what I suggested at last meeting--
I met with the Trustees for a few minutes--suggesting possible amendments to the
Wetland's Law. One of them was to eliminate the 30 day deadline. Just take it
right out. ,The object of it was, it was put in before, you had SEQR, and the
object was to force the Town Board to make a decision within a reasonable period
of time, which they thought was 30 days. But this is now causing problems w_hen
you have to ingraft a SEQR process into the hearing process.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Could we have a Local Law doing this; Bob?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Sure.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, would you draw that?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: No, I'm meeting with the Trustees because they've
got several other possible changes that they would like to make. That's one of
them. Another one was perhaps a redefinition of the term "Wetlands," to eliminate
this business of one person saying it is and one saying it isn't.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is exactly, and I think the Town Board owes it to the
Wetlands if we're getting rid of a "headache" that we do not give them a "headache."
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: You mean the Trustees.'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The Trustees.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: So, whenever they're read I will meet with them and
we might as well make several changes all at once. Those are two of them.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: All right, I'm asking you, under the circumstances,
what is the best way to handle this particular resolution?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: This one now, the only way you can handle it,
without granting Matt-A-Mar a permit by default, is to act to deny the permit,
which you can't do because SEQR is still in process. You cannot take final
action on a permit application before you have concluded your SEQR process,
so, therefore, since you've already closed your hearing, the only thing I can
suggest is to deny the permit, without prejudice to reapply again. It's the
only thing you can do., , ,
SUPERvISoR MURPHY: You ready to vote?
$3.-VOTE ON RESOLUTION NO. 13:
· Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Stoutenburgh,
Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy: No: Councilman
Schondebare: For the reasons previously stated.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTEL).
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 14 is environmental assessment on a Wetland's
Application of Edward Quintieri and Richard Pulcini.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Has this been through the hearing?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Yes, it has.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: The Trustees recommended to deny this one.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Here~ again I think you have to do the same significant
determination and deny it. Would someone like to ....
14. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Supervisor Murphy,
,HEff, EA~, Edward Quintieri and Richard Pulcini applied to the Southold Town Board,
pur~ua..t tu Chapter 4~ of ,he bode of the .own of ~ou~hold, for permission to
construct bulkneacl at property Iocasted at the northeasterly end of North Riley
Avenue, on James Creek, Mattituck, New York,
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS:
1. That pursuant to the provisions of Article 8 of the Environmental Conserva-
tion Law, Part 617 of Title 6 of the New York State Codes, Rules and Regulations,
and Chapter 44 of the Southold Town Code, the Southold Town Board, as lead agency,
does hereby determine that the action proposed is a Type I action and is likely to have
a sic~nificant effect on the environment.
2. That the Town Clerk shall file and circulate such determination as required
by the aforementioned law, rules and code.
3. That the Town Clerk immediately notify the applicant, Edward Quintieri
and Richard Pulcini of this determination, and further request said applicant to
prepare a Draft Environmental Impact Statement, all in accordance with said law,
rules and code.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, any questions on this? (No response.)
14.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor,Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 15 is to deny.
15. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Supervisor Murphy,
WHEREAS, Edward Quintieri and Richard Pulcini applied to the Southold Town
Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town
of, South'old, application dated April 4, 1984, and
WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustee%~and
Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their findings and recommenda-
tions, and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said
applicastion on the 22nd day of May, 1984, at which time all interested persons
were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Edward Quintieri and Richard Pulcini be Denied, without prejudice
to reapply, permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town
of Southold to construct bulkhead at property located at the northeasterly end of
North Riley Avenue, on James Creek, Mattituck, New York.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions? (No response.)
15.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURFHY: Number 16, to hire Bob Mui~ to provide swimming lessons
for the physically and mentally handicapped children.
16. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by CouncilWoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Towr~.of Southold here hires Robert Muir
to provide ten (10) swimming lessons for approximately 10 to 12 physically/or
mentally h~andicapped children of the Town of Southold, ages 5 to 20, at a total
cost of $600.00, the Town to pay $40.00 each and the individuals to contribute
$10.00 each; total Town contribution shall be a maximum of $480.00, to be paid
from the Joint Youth Account A7320.4.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We do have this money in the Recreation Budget and
we discussed about it---
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: What we agreed to.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And we did agree to this. This is a greatly expanded
program that we've worked out with Mr. Muir with his cooper, ation. We're just
about doubling the lessonsr that the children had last year.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Have we notified the parties that came in and
requested the money?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, we met with them. Any other questions? (No
response. )
16.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Counci~lwoman Co,bran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Number 17, Ray, is to light up our tennis courts. Would
you like to make it?
17.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the
proposal of Fishers Island Electric Corp., in the amount of $1,750.00, for all
material, labor and equipment to install six (6) mercury vapor lights at one of
the Fishers Island tennis cours; said amount to be paid from Whole Town General
Fund Joint Youth Account A7320.4.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes, I want to know if these can be shut off,
or does it throw the whole six of them on at one time?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: They're all goin9 on at once.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They're on a meter, aren't they, Ray?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: With slugs, with tokens. People have to buy the tokens.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Why six courts if you're only going to use one?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Six lights.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Six lights on one court.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Oh, on one court, I'm sorry, okay, all right~~
It's only one court? See~ it says "courts."
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I think there's two courts, isn't there, Ray?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: There is two courts---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: But you have to have six lights to light them.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: No, they're only lighting one.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Okay, okay, I thought there were six courts
and there six lights. I think of a Bohack Shopping Center, or something and
half the time we don't need those lights.
17.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 18 is to authorize two inspectors of the Building
Department to a one day seminar.
18. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes two (2)
Inspectors from the Buildin9 Department to attend a one-day seminar on the New
York State Uniform Fire Prefention and Building Code as it relates to the storage
and handlin9 of L.P. Gas at the Suffolk County Fire Training Center, Yaphank,
New York, on Tuesday, July 10, 1984, from 9:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M., and the actual
· cost for travel and $10.00 per person registration fee shall be a legal charge against
the Town of Southold Building Department Contractual Account.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions on this? We put the two in to include
the new Fire Inspector. ~
18~-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 19 is to give us all our day in Southold.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I don't see any sense to this.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Let's turn it down.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Let's turn it down. It's ridicUlous.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: It's silly.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: If you would like to, we may turn it down.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I don't understand it.
19. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby proclaims July
1, 1984 as TAXPAYERS DAY IN THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD.
· COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: We're all taxpayers.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Every day is taxpayers day.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Every day is, this is ridiculous. Somebody's got
something going, I don't know.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Is there a second on this so we can discuss it?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone like to second it?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: 1'11 second it for di.scussion.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I'd just let it die without a second.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Tax Action by Senior Citizens Inc., a non-profit,
non-partisan is sponsoring Suffolk Taxpayers on Parade. And they sent us a letter
and they feel at last a day to recognize the taxpayers. So they've asked us to
set aside a day that taxpayers of the towns could be recognized. They're going
to try to have a parade in Riverhead.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Asking for advertisers, too, on the back, $20.00
and $30.00 apiece.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I would like to believe the Southold Town Board ·
considers the taxpayer every day.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions on this resolution? (No response.)
19.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Schondebare, Justice Edwards,
Supervisor Murphy. Noes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Stouten~burgh,
Councilman Townsend.
This resolution was declared LOST.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Number 20 is an emergency resolution to replace a machine
at the landfill, due to unsafe conditions.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: What was this thing about two months rental on the
back there? -- I'm sorry, I'll offer the resolution.
20. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hei'eby declares that an ..
emergency exists in the need to replace the Morbark Super Beever Chipper at the
Southold Town Landfill, and therefore authorizes the trade-in of said machine for
a Factory Rebuilt Super Beever S/N 120 with Cummins 504 Diesel & Clutch at a
total cost to the Town of $8,665.00, plus transportation costs.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: On the question.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: On the back of the proposal they have a three month
rental here. Have we been using the new o~..e for three months?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We've used the new one for almost a year, Jim? Eight,
nine months? The one we have now.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR McMAHON: For almost a year.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: For almost a year, and the man is buying it back, the
firm is buying it back at the exact price we paid for it.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'm talking about three months rental, is that--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's on both of them, either way you want to go.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: We own the other one, how can we rent it?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Wait a second. We're not renting it. Okay, what the
story is, there's a serious safety hazard---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: No clutch.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, the new machine--the same machine we have, built
with a clutch, would cost $51,000.00, "x" number of dollars. He's giving us back,
as a trade-in of our machine, on a new machine, or a demonstrator, with less hours
than ours has, and he's giving us the actual purchase price that we bought our
machine for, and we are paying then for use of the machine for three months instead
of a year. It's costing us $8,000.00 to own the machine for the year, basically what
it is. We can buy a demonstrator with less hours than ours has for $8,000.00,
approximately, or we could buy a brand new machine, a brand new machine, for the
actual cost, less our trade-in, plus the $8,000.00. /
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: The three months rental is for the machine we presently
have then?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Which we've used for a year.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Okay. Why can't we just say it's an unsafe machine
and give us a new one?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Well, that's why we have an emergency resolution. Any
other questions on it?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Has anybody seen this machine? This used one?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No. They're a very honorable firm. Want to go out to
Michigan?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: No, no, I just---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's a completely factory reconditioned machine that they're
taking in, they're repainting it, redoing everything so that it will look just li~e a
brand new machine. When they take ours back in trade-in, they will do the s'ame
thing with our machine and then sell it.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Sell it to some other sucker or what?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They probably will adapt it to a clutch.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE:
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes.
Put a clutCh in?
20.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh: With reservations. Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend~
Because it was irecommended early on that we have a clutch, and that we do have
very dangerous condition there,. Super¥isor~ Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 21 to approve a bond.
21.
Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the
bond in the amoutn of $9,130.00 submitted by Leon Marcus in connection with
the installation of a water main in the Minor Subdivision entitled, "Leon Marcus,"
located at Greenport, New York.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Yes, where is this located? I was trying to figure
it out on here.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Where is the subdivision?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: You can't figure it out from here, this is a'bond.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Well, I'll withdraw the question.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I've no idea.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: It's just for the installation of a water main.
phy.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 22 is an Act to amend the real property tax law.
Looking for supports
22. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby 9oes on record in
support of proposed New York State Legislation entitled, "AN ACT to amend the
real property tax law, in relation to a senior citizen rent exemption and tax abate-
ment,'' which will a~hO.r~iz._e_ .a~m~qi~:!p~!i~y. to n.t ate a pr~g~'am' .wher.eby .e.l!gible
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Yes.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I've got a question. I asked the Assessors to take
a look at this. They didn't know about it and I'd like to have their input on this
before---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: What possible affect to our tax base and whether citizens--
senior citizens are going to be--going to be based on a fact of their income, or whether
it's just going to be based on the fact of their age. Because if their income and
property is there, I don't see any reason why they should get a special exemption.
If it's based on income or then I think there's a basis for it, but since it's not
necessarily Iow income of a senior citizen, and since so much of our population is
senior citizen, it could have a terrific impact on our tax base. What if a senior
citizen is renting a palatial place and the significant tax exemption on the base of
that--basis of it. Can we hold it for a---
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I would ask to hold it. I'd like to have the Assessors
in here so they can discuss it too, and they've got work to do on this thing.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul, do you have anything?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: No, that's lqne with me.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I'd like to hold it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Ray?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Too many Ioop,,holes; ., ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We have a motion made and seconded, right? You have
to vote. Do you want to vote it down now or abstain, or what?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I would just like to hold it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Would you like everybody to abstain?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Just table it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We have a motion. ~
22.-Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that Resolution No. 22 be and hereby is tabled.
MRS. JEAN TIEDKE, Southold: If it's based on the same idea as Section 8, it is
based on, there's no way that somebody that's a millionaire can get it. It's just
exactly the way---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I would tend to agree, yes. In the back, yes?
MRS. MARGARET SKABRY, Peconic: If the seniors are given an increase for
themselves and the money has to be made up for the landlords?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes.
MRS. SKABRY: Where is that coming from?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: The other taxpayers.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The other taxpayers.
MRS. SKABRY: I got it.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: That's why we're tabling it.
MRS. SKABRY: I want to know, when something s tabled, it's for how long?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Next meeting.
MRS. SKABRY: To the next meeting?
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Until it's put back on the agenda again.
MRS. SKABRY: Okay, thank you.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: What is your interest in this?
MRS. SKABRY: My interest is my parents are senior citizens and I love them,
right? I love my neighbors and they're senior citizens. I'm not. I get boopkas,
okay? I just want to know where it's going to draw the line, and if it's going to
be done, it better be done fairly, to just the seniors that really need it. There
are people in this Town, and I'm sure you've heard Mr. Lightfoot, or whatever
his name is, talk about theme-young people who need it just as much. I'm not
talking about myself. There's kids that are missing camp and everything else.
I can tell you of scout troops around here that's scrounging up money just to
get kids to go away, to give them a chance, and there's too many loop holes for
this. This isn't fair. It has to be watched carefully. There are advantages
all over the place. You don't even have the Peconic Center open for the kids
anymore, but it's still there for the seniors. Stop and think about. When you
say you want this area to keep the kids, no way.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Thanks for your comments.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Okay, we have a motion to table the
previous. Anything on the question? Anything further?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Except that we're going to have this checked,
did you say Jay, by the Assessors and they can give us a report?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yes. I'd like to have them here at the next
meeting on it.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Okay, let's make sure.
COUNCILMAN 'TOWNSEND: It is based on income.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I don't think you can discuss a tabled motiOn,
move for the question.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Please.
22.-VOTE OF THE BOARD ON TABLED RESOLUTION NO. 22.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 23 authorizing the appointment of Jim McMahon
and to establish an MBE and a WBE policy statement for the Town.
23.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Schondebare,
WHEREAS, NYSDEC Office of Affirmative Action requires MBE/WBE participation
as part of the Southold Scavenger Waste Project (Federal Project No. C-36-1120),'~nd
WHEREAS, it is the intent of the Town of Southold to conform with this program in
order to meet Federal and New York State requirements,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold
directs and authorizes:
THAT the Supervisor of the Town of Southold shall submit an executed MBE/
WBE policy statement and utilization plan to NYSDEC, :
THAT the Supervisor shall desicjnate Mr. James McMahon as MBE/WBE Officer,
and
THAT a certified copy of this resolution' shall be submitted to NYSDEC.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is to qualify for--this is our sewage treatment plant.
These are very strict policies that have to be adhered to as far as hiring, contract
amount and all in the Sewer District. 'These come down from the Federal government
to the State. The State DEC will be the administrating agency for this grant of
our sewage treatment plant. We are getting very close to sign. nc the c(~ntract and
as soon as their papers are in with all of these minority qualifications filled and we
hope to be breaking ground on the sewage treatment plant I would hope in. less than
a month. The G.C. is very anxious to start, and before any money will be released
this policy has to be established and we have to have all the paper work done before
we're going to get reimbursed. So we are not going to pay anybody until this is
done. Any other questions?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Yeah, I couldn't find any reference in any of the
support in reference to MBE and WBE.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: WBE is Women Business Minority.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Because they talk about AAO, which is Affirmative
Action Officer, but there was nothing in there about MBE's or--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And MBE is a Minority Business Enterprise, and there
is a certain percentage that our consulting engineer has to comply and we're also
doing the same thing, Ray, you might tell the people on Fishers Island, for them
before they could start going out to sign any contracts this will all be done. I've
spoken to the engineering firm and they are going to comply.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: In this inStance it means they're going to pay a lot
more for their materials because they're dealing in New York City with a minority
dealer, as opposed to hiring somebody in this area who might be a minority person.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Right.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This was part of the bid package.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Unfortunately this is something you have to do.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: This is not part of the bid pack, this is a thing
we got stuck with when our consultants came in and said, "Oh, by the way, we
have to comply with this Affirmative Action, and we have to go to New York City
to hire all the minority people and then to transport the goods out here to Greenport."
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: It would be one thing if we were hiring minority people,
we're buying from minority contractors.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: We're buying from minority contractors.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, let's stick with the question.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I don't want to do it in the first place.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: But we have to do it.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: There's lots of things in here we don't like, but
we have to do them.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul. Anyone else? (No response.)
23.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Stoutenburgh,
Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy. No: Councilman
Schondebare.
This resolution was declared duy ADOPTED.'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 24 is we were asked by--my office was asked by
Assemblyman Sawicki to have a resolution opposed to the 1/4% sales tax increase.
Would someone like to make the resolution?
24. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby 9oes on record
in opposition to the proposed I/4% Suffolk County sales tax increase to be used
specifically for the Southwest Sewer District.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions?
24.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. :
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 25.
25. Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and,
directs the Town Clerk to place a legal notice in The Suffolk Times and The Long
Island Traveler-Watchman notifyin9 the public that applications for participation
in the Section 8 Existin9 ol-I--~-sin9 Program will be accepted until 5:00 P.M., July
13, 1984, by the Greenport Housin~l Alliance.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I think there should be an explanation of Section 8
in that resolution. I don't think anybody knows what they're talking about.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: It was in the last notice.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR McMAHON: What we did, Paul, in last week's
paper and in this week's papers, The Traveler-Watchman, Suffolk Life and Suffolk
Times, we I~ad a public notice with the explanation and the closing date as December
31st, 1984.
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COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Isn't there a title to it though?
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR McMAHON: The Section 8 Existing Housing
Program ?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: That's what I want to know. Then people will
relate to what you're saying.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: That's what I say right here, Section 8 Existing Housing
Program.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: What are you saying, Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Where does it say "housing program.'!
TOWN CLERK TERRY: It says "existing program", not "housing program."
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBA,RE: Paul, and also if you look at the public notice as
printed on the back of the resolution, that's the one going in the newspaper.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Oh, I'm sorry. Does it say it in there then?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: It's got Section 8 in there, landlord - tenant.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Okay, okay, all right, okay, I see what you're
talking about.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR McMAHON: We already probably have enough
applications.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: And what we put in last week cost goodness what amount
of money, and it was a display ad.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Okay, no, no, that's not what I'm getting at;
I just thought this is what you were just saying putting in there.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: No, no.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: You're using just Section 8 as a title.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: I'm just using this as a resolution, we don't put the entire
legal notice in the resolution.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, any other questions on it? (No response.)
25.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
26.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 26 is to close Love Lane on Friday.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
closin9 of Love Lane, Mattituck, from Pike Street to Main Road, on Friday, June
22, 1984, from approximately 6:00 P.M. to 8:30 P.M., for the Mattituck High School
Community Action Council's sponsored roller skatin9 event for children in grades
one through six, provided they secure the necessary insurance to hold the Town
of Southold harmless.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions on t.h. is?. (No response.)
26.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphl
This resolution was declared duly ADOPFI'ED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 27 authorizes the Greenport Housing Alliance
under Section 8 rent subsidy. '
27.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes The
Greenport Housin9 Alliance, as a sub-grantee to the Town of Southold, to participate
in the Rental Rehabilitation Program and provide Section 8 certificates and vouchers
in support of the Rental Rehabilitation Program, in accordance with a memorandum
of understanding with Suffolk County and with applicable HUD requirements.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
27.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was'declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 28, before we make it, is there anyone else have
any suggestions for another area to do a survey? (No response.)
28. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold request the New York
State Department of Transportation to conduct the followin~ hi~lhwa¥ surveys:
(1) Speed Survey on Route 25 at Moore's Lane, Cutchogue.
(2) No Pass Zone survey on Route 25 between the Railroad overpass and
Pipes Neck Road, Greenport.
(3) No Passing Zone survey on Route 25 through the hamlet of East Marion.
28.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, would someone like to make No. 29 which is to
increase the fireworks insurance to one million dollars.
29. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends their
Resolution adopted on June 26, 1962, "Resolved that the amount of a Bond or
Insurance Polic)~ to the Town of Southold for the issuing of Fireworks Permit
be not less than $50,000.00," to read: "Resolved that an Insurance Policy
to the Town of Southold for the issuin~l of a Fireworks Permit be not less than
$1,000,000.00 per person for bodily injury, $1,000,000.00 per accident, and
$1,000,000.00 property damage. The Town of Southold must have the policy
in its possession before permit is issued. The named insured must read: Town
of Southold."
29.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondel~are,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor 'Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 30 is the Water Advisory Committee, to establish.
30. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Supervisor Murphy,
WHEREAS, it has been determined by the North Fork Water Supply Plan and other
studies that the amount of potable water available in the Town of Southold is limited
by the narrowness of the peninsula and by surrounding bodies of saltw~ater, and
~/HEREAS, the proximity of saltwater can end does cause saltwater intrusion into
the fresh water supply, and
WHEREAS, contamination by agricultural pesticides and other contaminants has been
discovered in significant portions of the aquifer, and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold recognizes the need to provide its residents with
a safe and reliable water supply, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that a Water Advisory Committee be established to supervise and implement
a Southold Town Water Mana~]ement Pro~lram, and be it further
RESOLVED that the duties and responsibilities of the Water Advisory Committee will
include:
,1.--Acting in an advisory capacity to the Southold Town Board and other 'Town
agencies and departments, at the request of those agencies, on matters
related to the quantity and quality of the fresh water supply.
2.--Investigating, designing, implementing and overseeing an individual home
filter program utiliZing the guidelines and recommendations contained in the
August 29, 1983 report to the Town Board by the Water Advisory Committee.
3.--Determining the feasibility of establishing satellite community water supplies
within the more populated areas of the hamlets.
4.--Establishing a Town-wide information program to disseminate information on
the water supply situation and to encourage participation in the filter
program and other water supply concerns.
5.--Investigating additional water supply measures that the Town may provide
or individuals may take on their own.
6.--Coordinating water supply programs with County, State and Federal
officials, including investigation of possible funding sources.
7.--Preparing annual budgets for submission to the Town Board.
8.--Meeting monthly, with a quorum of a majority of the Committee members
required for all actions.
9.--Engaging the services of expert consultants as required, and secr~etarial
and other assistance, so long as the expenses for such services do not
exceed the amount budgeted or approved by the Town Board.
10.--Providing an annual report to the Town Board detailing the status of
the water supply situation, progress on the projects undertaken, the
problems encountered, and goals for the future; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Water Advisory Committee shall consist of five persons to be
appointed by the Town Board for staggered five year terms, except that
1.--At the beginning one person shall serve for one year, one for two years,
one for three years, one for four years, and one for five years, after
which all persons shall serve full five year terms. In the case of a vacancy,
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the person appointed to fill that vacancy will complete the term of the person
being replaced.
2.--The Town Board will appoint the chairperson of the Committee.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any further questions on it?
30.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Stoutenburgh,
Justice Edwards, Cbuncilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy. No: Councilman
Tnis resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. Schondebare.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No. 31 to declare the Town Board lead agency on the
petition of Harbor Lights Estates, Section V for relief.
31.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby declares itself
lead agency in regard to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in the matter
of l~he petition of Harold Reese, Jr. for relief from the Bulk requirements of the
Zonin9 Code of the Town of Southold with reference to proposed major subdivision
known as "Harbor Lights Estates, Section V,"located on the northerly side of North
Bayview Road, Southold, New York.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Reese is asking for a hearing under Local Law 11,
isn't he?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Well, first we have to do a lead agency, then transmit it
the Planning Board for their recommendation and we can't have a hearing until
we do all that.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Okay.
31.-¥ote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. ,~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Number 32 is to transmit the Harbor Lights relief petition
to the Planning Board for their comments.
32.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh,
WHEREAS, a petition was received from Harold Reese, Ir. recluestin9 relief from the
Bulk requirements of the Zonin9 Codewith reference to a proposed major subdivision
known as "Harbor Lights Estates, Section V," located on the northerly side of North
Bayview Road, Southold, New York, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold be and she hereby is
directed to transmit this petition to the Southold Town Plannin9 Board and Suffolk
County Department of Plannin9 in accordance with Section 100-31A(§) of the Code
of the Town of Southold.
32.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. :
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Would you like to act on the two hearings we had? Trappe
and Ford. Would you like to act on Trappe, then? Everything seems to be in order.
Or would you like to study it until July 3rd?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'll act on it in accordance with that the Trustees
recomm ended.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yeah, it's all right.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, why don't we do the negative dec on the application
of Walter Trappe.
33.
Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law State
Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10 and~Chapte'r 44
of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is hereby given that the Southold Town
Board, as lead agency for the action described below, has determined that the project,
which is unlisted, will not have a significant effect on the environment.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Application of Enconsultants, Inc., on behalf of Walter
Trappe for a Wetland Permit, to construct dock, catwalk, ramp and float secured by
two pilings on property located at Corey Creek, on the south side of Corey Creek
Lane, Southold, New York.
The proiect has been determined not to have a significar~t effect on the environ-
ment for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated that no
significant adverse effect on the environment are likely to occur should the project
be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Board of Southold Town Trustees
and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council indicating that this project would
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not have a significant effect on the environment.
Because there has bee no response in the allotted time from the New York
State Department of Environmental Conservation and the Southold Town Building
Department, it is assumed that there are no objections nor comments from those
agencies.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions on it? (No response.)
33.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy..
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, Number 34 is to grant permission to Walter Trappe.
34. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilman Townsend,
WHEREAS, Enconsultants, Inc., on behalf of Walter Trappe, applied to the Southold
Town Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town
of Southold, application dated April 17, 1984, and
WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and Southold
Town Conservation Advisory Council for their findings and recomendations, and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said applica-
tion on the 19th day of June, 1984, at which time all interested persons were given
an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Enconsultants, Inc., on behalf of Walter Trappe, be Granted permission
under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold to construct
timber dock, consisting of fixed catwalk with rail, hinged ramp with rail, and float
secured by two pilings on a dredged canal off Corey Creek, at Corey Creek Lane,
Southold, New York, PROVIDED the float is Iocasted parallel to the shoreline and
placed close to the shore to conform to the float of his neighbor, Mr. Occhiogrosso.
This permit shall expire on June 19, 1985 if work has not commenced by said ~date;
there shall be two inspections required; and the Town Clerk shall be notified 'when
the project is completed.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
34.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice £dwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Now, would you like to the negative determination on
Costello Marine on behalf of James Ford? I will offer that resolution.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the i~nvironmental Conservation I_aw State
Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.10 and Chapter 44
of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is hereby given that the Southold Town
Board, as lead agency for the action described below, has determined that the project,
which is unlisted, will not have a significant effect on the environment.
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Application of Costello Marine Contractin9 Corp., on
behalf of James B. Ford, for a Wetland Permit to construct ' bulkhead directly in
front of existing deteriorated bulkhead at Hobart Road, on Town Creek, Southold,
New York.
The project has been determined not to have a significant effect on the environ-
ment for the following reasons:
An environmental assessment has been submitted which indicated that no
significant adverse effect on the environment are likely to occur should the project
be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Board of Southold Town Trustees
and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council indicating that this project would
not have a significant effect on the environment~
Because there has bee no response in the allotted time from the New York
State Department of Environmental Conservation and the Southold Town Building
Department, it is assumed that there are no objections nor comments from those
agencies.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
35.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Scho~debare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Now we want to grant the permit to Ford.
36. Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilwoman Cocl~ran,
WHEREAS, Costello Marine Contractin9 Corp., on behalf of James B. Ford, applied
to the Southold Town Board for a permit under the provisions of the Wetland
Ordinance of the Town of Southold, application dated April 30, 1984, and
WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and Southold
Town Conservation Advisory Council for their findings and reCOmmendations, and
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WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said applica-
tion on the 19th day of June, 1984, at which time all interested persons were given
an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Costello Marine Contractin9 Corp., on behalf of James B. Ford, be
Granted permission under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of
Southold to construct approximately 75 feet of bulkhead directly in front and attached
to existing determiorated bulkhead at Hobart Road, on Town Creek, Southold, New
York, PROVIDED future replacement is done in place. This permit shall expire on
June I9, 1985 if work has not commenced by said date; there shall be two inspections
required; and the Town Clerk shall be notified when the project is completed.
36.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That is the end of our prepared and added-on agenda, and
at this time I would like any of the Councilmen, if they would have anything to say,
and to be fair, we'll start over here by Judge Edwards firSt.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: One thing I forgot earlier to say is that we did get the plans
in for the Avenue B drainage and I passed them on to Jim McMahon and I think he's
going to draw up some specs for that so we can go out to bid on it. That's some-
thing that's in, what is it, 8 HUD funds for that? Or Community Development?
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR McMAHON: I think it's Year 9, 1983.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Okay, thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Nothing, thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Nothing.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Joe?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: No.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jay?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: No.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone in the audience would like to---
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, Bob?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I prepared a proposed Local Law which you might ..
want to consider and you might want to act on it today, having to do with permits,
vehicle permits at the Landfill.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: You do have the Law?
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Yes. Do you want to take a recess now?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
then we',Il recess, okay?
say anything? Jean?
Why don't we recess. We'll let the public participate and
And then close. Okay? Anyone in the audience like to
MRS. JEAN TIEDKE: I understand there's supposed to be an information meeting
on the Coastal Erosion on the 19th?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Of July, I believe.
MRS. TIEDKE: No, June. The hearing is in July.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay.
MRS. TIEDKE: The 28th of June.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: The 28th of June and the 19th of JulY, also. There are
two of them.
MRS. TIEDKE: But one is an information meeting and one is a hearing, according
to my information from DEC, is that correct?
SUPERVISOR MURPI~tY: I believe so. Judy has the list.
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TOWN CLERK TERRY: I have the papers and maps in my office.
Betty for it, she'll show them to you.
If you ask
MRS. TIEDKE: No, I have it here, but I know the dates I have, but one is an
information meeting and one a hearing.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'm not sure. I think that you might be correct, yes.
MRS. TIEDKE: Well, where are the maps?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: In my office, Jean.
MRS. TIEDKE: Well, I went all over Town Hall this moring and nobody knew.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: If you had asked in my office they would have known right
away, we have the booklets and the maps.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, Jean, DEC is doing the whole hearing and they are
in the process of sending letters out to any property owners in the affected areas
also.
MRS. TIEDKE: Well, I'm not a property in the affected area, but I do want
to see them. What's going on with Mr. Stilley's fund? Is there any money?
Isn't that his name.*
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes. I don't have the exact amount that was collected.
I would say there was probably in the neighborhood of maybe $500.00 that people
had sent in. We've given him the money each week as he was going away and it
was a big help for him, and---
MRS. TIEDKE: He is still continuing to---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, the last $100.00 came in about a week ago and it,',s
been given to him.
MRS. TIEDKE: Good.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And I'm sure he could use more. I don't know how he's
making out as far as qualifying. ~
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: He should know by now, I notice the trials were last
week.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Should be over with by now.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yeah, I'm not sure.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: He should know one way or the other.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, mam.
MRS. MARGARET SKABRY: In the paper last week there was some reports about
the Master Plan had been discussed some more, and it stated that as the map looks
now, the airport's not on it, with an asterick next to it. It didn't say when it's
going to get slid in there. I was kind of wondering what's up. When are we going
to find out about it? Sooner or later it seems like we may be getting the map now
without the airport so we don't get all panicky and charge the meetings again, but
it seems like sooner or later that's going to get slid right back in there and I'm
kind of watching for where it's going to be slid.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Tell her about 'the study.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is only a preliminary map on the Master Plan that was
given to the Town Board. The Master Planner is not looking into locations for a
future airport. There is a FAA funded study in conjunction with New York State
DOT on locating a possible location of an airport in Southold Town. No,w, thi~ study
is completely, I think we have a small participating amount in it.
MRS. SKABRY: It's very small.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Very minor, and this is an on-going study right now, and
we haven't received anything further yet. One report came--
MRS. SKABRY: We haven't gotten the final report on it either, because we've been
in touch with---and we still haven't gotten the final report.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It hasn't been made yet.
MRS. SKABRY: It's quite impressive what they're looking for.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It hasn't been made yet.
MRS. SKABRY: What I'm afraid of is that it's all of a sudden going to appear,
because the paper was very confusing. We were told it first would go to the
little hamlet meetings and discuss what areas there were problems with and stuff.
And then we were told, no, the airport would be discussed later. Then the new
map came out and it wasn't on it, then we hear that maybe later there might be
more discussion on airport, and now there was some question on whether or not
the maps were going to be coming around to the hamlet again, at least the way I
read it.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any proposed zone change or anything, definitely will be
brought to the community where any changes are contemplated.
MRS. SKABRY: Before or after it's finalized?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Certainly before, sure.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: This is zoning only.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is zoning you're talking about?
MRS. SKABRY: Yes.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's definitely.
MRS. SKABRY: Zoning and road and whatever?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure.
MRS. SKABRY: But that will'be back before it's passed by the Board?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Oh, sure.
MRS. SKABRY: Okay, good. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else? Frank?
MR. FRANK CARLIN, Laurel: Guess I'm going to have to retire to make these
afternoon Board meetings.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We have nights too..
MR. CARl_IN: Ah, yeah. As you all know you probably know me, Frank Carlin,
down by the big danger zone in' Laurel, and I'd like to say that it's several months
people been saying to me, "Frank, haven't seen you at a Town Board meeting lately."
The only thing I can say was I have been layed up with illness and some problems
beyond my control and that I'm in good shape now and my 'motor tuned up and I'.m
ready to go, and I'd also like to thank the Board for finally reaching a decision on
the Orient Point Ferry Project. I think it's a long time awaited project and I think
people will bene~t by it, and it's good see that State money is coming our way and
I hope to see more of it. Okay, the subject to night is--this afternoon--pretty soon
it'll be night--is about the difference between how two neighboring Towns operate,
Riverhead and Southold. The system. And I appreciate it if there's any media
here that they'd take notes on what I have to say so that the working people,
taxpayers of Southold, who can't make these meetings in the afternoon, will have
the opportunity to know what's being said a~ the meeting. I made this research
a couple months ago, and what I did was, I took a sheet of paper and I put
Riverhead on one side and Southold on the other side and I went down item by
item. I started Off with the Town Board meeting, in fact I made one, I invaded
their Town one night and I made one, to see how it operates. Well, to my amazement
I find a complete Board, Highway Supervisor, Police Chief, Building Inspector,
Supervisor, Councilmen, Town Clerk, Attorney, the whole Board. So I said, "Why
is this necessary?" They gave me this answer, "Well, might be a taxpayer here
that might want to know a question, have some techical law, some question to ask
of the Building Inspector or someone." And I believe that sitting here thins after-
noon, it proved two points here on that. Because Councilman Stoutenburgh had a
question to ask Mr. Dean and he was gone, took off like a big jet. And I under-
stand that Councilman Schondebare had one he wanted to ask, I believe, a Building
Inspector here a while ago and wasn't here. So that proved a point, I believe. And
also inquired--their meetings. Well, we have two meetings. ~And I said, "Well, how
do you have these? Days? Nights?" And they said, "We have them both at night."
I said, "Why?" Well, to give a little consideration to the taxpayers, that they'll have
the opportunity to come to these meetings. There's a lot of working people out there,
working to make money to pay for the families and they can't have the opportunity to
make these meetings. So we have them both at night. So I gave a plus to Riverhead
and a negative to Southold. A plus to Riverhead and a negative to Southold on the
Board meetings. Then I go to Town Attorney. I said, "You have a permanent Town
Attorney here, stationed here, offices in the building here?" They said,"Yes, eight
hours a day." He's right along side the Supervisor's Office and you can't miss him,
you walk in the Supervisor's Office you can see him going in. So I said, "What is
the reason for that?" Then they said, "Well, it might be a technical problem the
Building Inspector might have, Highway Supervisor might have, er Town Supervisor,
or there might be a legal question that has to be answered immediately. We can't
wait. And that's why, more efficient." And I said, "Is he part-time, full-time?"
He says, "Full-time." And I said, well, let's go all the way here. "How much money?"
Around $32,000.00 a year. Okay. Plus for Riverhead, negative for Southold. Then
I went to the computerized system. Now automation, let's go, we're in 1984 and let's
see what we've got computerized systems here. Town Highway have computerized.
I think, I read in the paper once that we are working on getting the Highway Depart-
ment computerized. Now, can I--before I go any further--can I ask you three ques-
tions, Frank? Is the Clerk's Office computerized?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No.
MR. CARLIN: Tax Receiver computerized?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Nope.
MR. CARLIN: Okay, so you're not computerized at all.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Assessors! Office only.
MR. CARLIN: Assessors' Office is. So that's one. Okay, Riverhead is Tax
Receiver computerized, the Clerk's Office computerized, okay, so I'm going to
give you on that one, I'm going to give you--Riverhead two--Pm going to give
you one, so that's two out of three. You got one there. I didn't think you had
that one. The reason why computers is necessary--we use them all over the country,
that's the age now, computer is--you all know this--is efficient, cuts down time,
less error and it's fast. God instead of getting your tax bills maybe by December
19th, when I get mine, I might get them maybe in October. Someday you people
consider this? Then I says, "How long does these things take?" Well, they take
money. I says, "Well, I understand that and that's the way things have to go
along." Well, while I'm trying--oh, I said to them, "How's your yard sale law
here?" I mentioned this last year. "Well, you have to pay nothing he~'e, you don't
pay nothing. You're allowed all you want." So I said, "Well I don't go along with
allowing a maximum, I'm for a limit of one, but I'm not for paying for a yard sale."
And I says, "Well, why do you--why don't you charge to people to pay for a yard
sale?" And they said, "It's a courtesy to the taxpayer, man. Have them right on
their own property. Give them a little fringe benefit, man. They're paying a lot
of taxes, let them have it." Positive for Riverhead, negative for Southold because
you pay $15.00 and you have a cop sometimes ride around on a Saturday morning
seeing if anybody violating this laws, when he could be out on the road where the
summer traffic is, worrying about traffic, worrying about somebody violating a $15.00
zoning permit. What I'm trying to prove here is--and I!m afraid to say .it, that it
adds up to, gentlemen, and Mrs. Cochran, that we are a little bit in the Stone Age.
A little bit in the Stone Age here. Now, this is not destructive criticism, it's
constructive, and I'm all for your Master Plan and I'm all for your Wetlands, providing
it is done in a sensible manner, a inte|legent manner and in a slow gear, not light
the two acre zoning went through here last year here on the Board. It went through
here so fast it had wings on it~ and also cost the taxpayers $68,000.00 shot down the
tubes without a Master Plan. But anyway, this I Can't understand. Riverhead has--
and I was surprised has 20,125 residents. Southold has 19,947 residents, a difference
of 178. Where I got these figures from was from the Suffolk Planning Department, as
of January 1, 1984. You go Route 25 from--I really don't need a microphone--Route
25 from Central Suffolk Hospital to the Laurel I_ine and you street lights every other
pole. That's almost eight miles. It helps. In fact it's been a proven fact through-
out the nation, street lights do reduce accidents. I know we have them up there in
laurel now, and I know on Manor Hill was accidents been reduced. Been a proven
fact, this is a fact that street lights reduce accidents. That's it. And so I come
to the conclusion and I couldn't believe why two Towns operate so different when
they're neighboring Towns, and I hope that you won't iust forget this what
saying, that you'll consider what I'm talking about, it's very important, so that you
consider it and by doing so give the taxpayers a little benefit for their moneys by
looking at some of these programs I mentioned about. The computer syste~m doesn't
hair, pen over night and somebody's going to say, "But it's going to lay off people."
Not necessarily we lay off people. We need people to be trained to operate the
computers, not going to mean you're going to lay off people. That's a program
that should be looked into and I think bring this up with modern times and other
Towns have computer systems. I think they'd be more adeqdate, quicker and
eliminate a lot of pencils too. So, I can't believe that we operate so different
between two Towns. And back to the street lights, and the signs and stuff we
have there in I-aurelw we haven't really had any trucks hit the bridge since the
crossing lights went up, in fact none. In fact the last accident we had there was
January when you seen it that morning that it was snowing, Frank, woman hit the
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pole, but wasn't hurt and there was no injuries there since the crossing lights was
up. There's been a few accidents, but no injuries. They hope to raise the bridge--
hopes to raise the bridge in September. But anyway, for tonight this is what my
subject is. They'll be other nights with other subjects. I have a lot of lost time
to make up with, so this is what I'm speaking about tonight, and as far as the miles
of the two Towns are compared to, believe it or not, Southold claims, Mr. Dean
claims we have 200 miles of road. Well, I don't think he--I think what he means
is 200 miles including the State and County. Riverhead has 160 miles plain Town
roads, and 15 miles of private roads, which comes to about 175. The difference
there of highway miles is not that great and the difference of the residents is
not that great, so w~'re talking about almost equal Towns here. I think they
take in more revenue that we do. We take in twenty-five million dollars a year,
approximately. They're probably taking more, because of on account of they have
Grummans, they have Hazeltine, and they have Photocircuits in Aquebogue. So
they're probably taking a lot more, but this is the subject I'd like to speak about
tonight and I thank you for your time. I know it's late, people want to get home,
and I thank you for your time, but again, there's something to consider and not
to just put on the side here, because the taxpayers can benefit a little bit by
some of these things I think that I have mentioned tonight. I thank you very
much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you for your comments, Frank, and I'm really glad
you got that old engine tuned up again and working. Good to see you back.
MR. CARLIN: Changed my oil, new valve job.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's good. Anyone else like to make any comments?
Jim?
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR McMAHON: Just can we still add on a~
resolution ?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes. Not now.
MR. McMAHON: The American Legion.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, okay, we're going to recess the Regular Town Board
meeting. Okay, if no one else has anything further to say, I would like to recess
this and we have two items to discuss, and possible two additional reso~tions to go
back on.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is recessed at 5:07 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
WORK SESSION
5:12 P.M. - The Board discussed proposed Local Law in relation to permits
and licenses for vehicles transportin9 refuse into Town refuse disposal area and
penalties for offenses, (See Resolution No. 39). --Terminatin9 the contract with
Tips and Tails for non-performance of the contractor for the construction of a
Handicapped Ramp at the Southold Legion; and hirin9 William M, Beebe Buildin9
Contractor to complete the work, (See Resolutions No. 37 & 38),
5:27 P.M. - Work Session adjourned.
REGULAR MEETING REOPENED - 5:27 P.M.
37. Moved by Councilman Schondebare,'· seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby terminates the
contract between the Town of Southold and Tips and Tails, 726B Roanoke Avenue,
Riverhead, New York, for the non-performance of the contractor for the construction
of a Handicapped Ramp at the Griswold-Terry-Glover Post No. 803, American Legion
Southold, New York.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
37.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
38. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the proposal
of William M. Beebe, Buildinc~ Contractor, Cutchogue, New York for the completion of
the Handicapped Ramp, consisting of a new concrete entrance and a new t~ood and
· concrete ramp to allow wheelchair entrance to the main hall of the Griswold-Terry-
Glover Post No. 803, American /e~lion, Southold, New York, at a total cost of
$5,300.00, and hereby authorizes Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to enter into a
contract with William M. Beebe, Building Contractor, for the aforesaid work.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
38.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, and the next one we want a Public Hearing schedule
for a proposed Local Law.
39. Moved by Councilwoman,Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearin.g
at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, on the 3rd day of July,
1'984, at 3:30 P.M., at which time and place all interested persons will ~be given an
opportunity to be heard upon the following matter: "A Local Law in relation to
permits and licenses for vehicles transporting refuse into Town refuse disposal area
and penalties for offenses," which reads as follows:
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Chapter 48 of the Code of the Town of S~uthold is hereby amended as
follows:(additions are indicated by underline; deletions by [brackets]).
The word "REFUSE" set forth in Section 48-1 thereof is hereby
amended to read as follows:
REFUSE ~ Any human,· [or] animal or vegatable refuse, offal, swill,
cesspool and/or septic waste, sewage, garbage, papers, ashes, iunk,
trash, rubbish, waste, of whatever material composed, discarded
machinery or parts thereof, discarded vehicles or parts thereof and an
unlicensed motor vehicle parked, stored or standing outside an
enclosed building in an inoperative condition for more than thirty {30)
days.
II. The term "REFUSE DISPOSAL AREA" set forth in Section 48-1 thereof
is hereby amended to read as follows:·
REFUSE DISPOSAL AREA The sanitary landfill site owned and
operated by the· Town of Southold north of County Route 48 at
Cutchogue, New York, and any premises designated by the Town
Board as [the] a refuse disposal area of [this] the town for .the
disposal of refuse~y the residents of [this] the town.
III. Section 48-3 thereof is hereby amended by adding a new subdivision
thereto, to be subdivision D, to read as follows:
IV.
D. Notwithstandin~ the' provisions of subdivision C of this Section
48- 3, no vehicle shall be permitted to transport refuse into any
refuse disposal area maintained by the Town of S~uthold, unless
such vehicle displays a valid permit and/or license reguired by a
resolution adopted by the Southold Town Board.
This local law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of
State.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
39.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, there's no further resolutions, right? Okay, I
would like a motion to adjourn.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that this Tow oard mee 'n be and hereby is adiourned at 5:30 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare,
Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murph~
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
5:32 P.M. - The Board discussed Stony Brook Construction's assessment for
additional payroll, and the notice from the N.Y.S. Dept. of Labor to the Town to
withhold payment on the contract for the Collection Center. Supervisor Murphy
will contact the State Labor Department to discuss this further.---Discussed the
negotiations between the Town, throu~lh Councilman Townsend, and the North
Fork Animal Welfare Leaque, Inc. for the Dog Pound contract.---The voucher
for payment by planning'form Szepatowski Associates.
5:45 P.M. - Executive Session adjourned.
Judith T. Terry ~
Southold Town Clerk