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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
MAY 22, 1984
WORK SESSION
10:00 A.M. - The Board met with .John Dorman, President of the Landmark
Preservation Commission, who introduced members Joy Bear, Ralph Williams,
Bill Peters, and Louis Black who were also present. Mr. Dorman outlined
the Commissions work to date, which included their first project of listing
all historic buildings in the Town of Southold prior to 1800. The will soon
be sending letters to the owners of those buildings asking for permission
to list them. in their second phase, they are working on a list of those
buildings between 1800 and 1825. Their'three major criteria when address-
ing a building is: date of construction, architectural significance, and
historical associations with the building. They will prepare a "blue sheet",
similar to that used by the National Register, which has important data on
it.' They will ultimately come up with a Southold Town Regisl~er of Historical
Buildings, which will'include photographs, ground plans and typical arch-
itectural drawings. Supervisor Murphy, Councilman Townsend and Council-
man Stoutenburgh thanked the Commission for their enthusiasm and the
amount of work they are doing on behalf of the Town.
10:30 A.M. - The Board met with John Clark, President of the PBA to discuss
the Town Board's wish to declare May 28th, rather than May 30th, the official
Memorial' Day in the Town of Southold . Both the PBA and CSEA. contracts
list it specifically as May 30th, and it is being celebrated state-wide and
nationally as May 28th. President Clark agreed to the change. Later in the
day Supervisor Murphy spoke with CSEA President Curtis Horton who also
agreed. The Town Board placed a resolution to this effect (No. 24) on the -
Regular Meeting agenda.
10:40 A.M. - George Proi0s, Co-Executive Director of the New York State
Legislative Commission on Water ReSource Needs of Long Island met with the
Board to discuss a proposed "Act to amend the-county law and the town law,
in relation to creation of water quality treatment districts," This legislation
would permit the establishments of filter districts to allow people who are not
on a public water supply districl~ to petition the town to set up a w~ater quality
treatment district. Participation is strictly voluntary. Councilman Townsend
suggested the filter program be. handled by a franchise. Councilman S:toutenburgh
emphasized that the cost factor be kept to a minimum or people will not participate.
Councilman Townsend asked Mr. Pr0ios to prepare a mock-up of a,possible district
giving all of the related costs, which he saict he would do.
11:20 A.M. -.Terry Nagy:and Craig Richter met with the Board to request
funding for the North Fork Midget Football League. They were too late in
their request for 1983 funds and put in their :1984 request in February. They
hope to have between 80 and 100 youngsters this season, and although they
rasied about $5000.00' last year, it was all spent. The equipment is very
expensive for each partici'pant. The cost to expand to eight teams by next
year, by adc~in~l another four teams is approximately $7000. The Village of
Greenport has allocated land by the water tank on Moores Lane and the league
will start putting in a field after June 1st. The Board agreed they could
allocate $300 to pay for the cost of footballs and placed a resolution on the
Regular Meeting agenda (No. 22). Mr. Richter asked if the Town would grade
the field for them and Superintendent of Highways Dean said he would help
them out in some way.
11:35 A.M. - The Board began reviewing off-agenda items.
11:45 A.M. r Thomas Boyle, Esq., representing Paul Kelly, addressed the
Board relative to Mr. Kelly's Wetland Permit, whereby the Board stated he
must replace the bulkhead in place. Councilman Stoutenburgh recommended
that the bulkhead be placed behind the existing bulkhead, rather than in
front of it. After listening to Mr. Boyle's explanation concerning the erosion
problem, the Board decided they would rehear the Kelly application and set
3:30 P.M., June 19th for same.
11:55 A.M. - Off agenda items discussed - Supervisor Murphy-sp0ke'~about a
private 'road and beach on Brushes Creek, Laurel, inquiring whether it is
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possible the residents on the road.,~can,,,l~b~ibi~ outside individuals from tres-
passing. Town Attorney Tasker said'~' i'~W~uI~t be uP to the owners on the
road in question to determine from their deeds whether they own to the middle
of the road, and whether they all have an interested in the beach.--Home Aide
contract was discussed. There is a question of the Town providing an errors
and omission policy with limits up to $500,000, naming the county as an additional
insured. Supervisor Murphy with check with McMann-Price to see if the Site
Manager Venetia McKeighan is covered under the Town's public officials policy.--
The proposal of Steve Malinowski relative to the mosquito control proqram on
Fishers Island. Supervisor Murphy spoke to Mr. Thatcher about thisw and
it was decided the Town would hire two people to apply the' BTi over the
summer months at a total cost of $4,000 (Resolution No. 11), the Town will
purchse the BTI from the county, anc~ thc county will supply Gambusia (mosquito
eating fisn) for the ponds.---Councilman Stoutenburgh asked Superintendent of
Highways Dean if something could be done about the boat launchinq ramp at
New' Suffolk, people are going off the end, and as a result, are now going
over to Third Street to launch. Mr. Dean said he would install a guard rail
to prevent people from going off the end of the ramp.
12:25 P.M. - Recess for lunch.
2:05 P.M. - Work Session reconvened.
2:10 P.M. - Foster Beach from the New York State Department of Transportation
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met with the Board to answer any questions they might have concerning the
proposed resolution (No. 9) to authorize the Supervisor to sign the contract
for the Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc. improvements. Town Attorney Tasker
said' that Cross Sound is anticipating using Community Development funds in the
amount of $100,O00,_ and that is his only problem. Executive Administrator
Victor Lessard said Cross Sound has sign plan approval and variances and all
they need now from the Town is a building permit. Community Development
Adminisirator James McMahon said:the DEC has published the flood plain, and
there is an environmental review on the county's part, but there is still the
question of SEQR process on the Town's part. Town ATtorney Tasker again
emphasize~d his concern relative to the processes and regulations involved if
Cross Sound uses Community Development funds.
2:35 P.M. - The Board discussed, with Executive Administrator Lessard, the
proposed Local Law to provide for the adminisiration and enforcement of the
New York State Uniform F~re Prevention .and Buildin9 Code. A meeting will
be called with the various fire organizations to determine their views of this
proposed Local Law.
3:00 P.M. - Steve Tsontakis, owner of the Captain Kidd Water Company,
appeared before the Board to request they call for a public information meeting
in June relative to the establishment of a Captain Kidd Wa~er District. Mrs.
Cleo Tsounis, President of the Captain Kidd Civic Association was present
and stated there is a problem with the proposed tax rate--there should be
a maximum rate the property owners would pay. Supervisor Murphy said
this would not be possible. She said a decision should be made either to
have the PSC go after Tsontakis, go with the H2M study, or people should
dig their own wells. She also reque~sted a public information meeting for a
Saturday in June.
3:05 P.M. - Work Session adjourned.
REGULAR MEETING
A Regular Meedn9 of th~ Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday,
May 22, ~1984, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Supervisor Murphy called the meeting to order at 3:10 P.M. with the Pledge
of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
Justice Raymon~ W. Edwards
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
Absent: Councilman James A. Schondebare
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I would like a resolution to approve the minutes of the
Regular Meeting of May 8t;..
Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Regular Meetin9 of the Southold Town Board
held on May 8, ,1984 be and hereby are approved.
Vote of thc To;~n Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd like a resolution approving the Special Meeting of
May 15th.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Townsend f it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Special Meetin9 of the Southold Town B(~ard
held on May 15, 1984 be and hereby are approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:- I'd like another resolution to set the date of the next
meeting as June 5th, 7:30 P.M. in Southold Town Hall.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the next Regular Meetin9 of the Southold Town Board will be
held at 7:30 P.M.r Tuesday, June 5, 1984f at the Southold Town Hall, Main
Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
I. REPORTS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: 1. Town Trustees - April 1984.
2. Town Justice Tedeschi - April 11984.
3. Long Island Cablevisi0n, Inc. - April .1984.
4. Police Department- April 1984.
5. Long Island Cares, Inc. - Meeting of May 7~ 1984.
6. Board of Assessors- April 1984.
7. Councilmen's report - Joe?
We have the following reports on our agenda:
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I have nothing at this time.
SUPERVISOR MIJRPHY: Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Nothing, except that I've written--or. Joe and
I have written, as the Transportation Committee, to the Department of Trans-.
portation in the County and we're setting up a date to meet with them to see if
we can iron out our Feeder Buses, which seem to be petering out a little bit
here. So, we'll be having a report on that a little later on.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Judge Edwards?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Just to say that the Highway Department did the roads
on Fishers Island. They slurried quite a few of the roads and the people were
very pleased with the activity that was done there. Also, might note that there's
been three thousand dollars allocated in private funds over there, by the people
on Fishers lsland~ to do our own little Master Plan, inasmuch as RPPW sort of
overlooked us. So three thousand in private funds have be~n established to do
some planning for Fishers Island. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, sir. On the SuPervis0r's report, one thing
I'd like to make note of for the press and for people who are here and' might
have missed it, is that the Mattituck-Cutchogue High School was declared the
winner--there were two of them--in the Newsday s Award for outstanding-high
schools. Again; we're very proud of our school systems--all the .schools in
Southold Town.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 1 is a Complete Application of Leonaro Lan9.
Comments to New York State DEC by June 1, 1984.
2. Village of Greenport is advertisi'ng for proposal for solid waste plant
to 9enerate electricity.
3. Notice of Suffoik's Race Against Dru9 Abuse; a Bike Race to be held
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Saturday, June 9th, 1984 in Sag HarboF.
4. Complete Application of Ba~'~e~'~v'~nl:~ire§, inc. for a State Pollutan~
Discharge Elimination System (SPDES) permit, Public Water Supply, Tidal Wet-
lands, and it's in SEQR lead agency is Southold Town Planning Board. The
contact person is Bob Thurber, New York State DEC, June 22, 1984. And
this is one that I think will be very importanL to ~he people and they should
take an interest in it. The tentative to determination to approve the applica-
tion for a S~'DES Permit to discharge 400 gallons per day of process waste water
from a water supply treatment plant to the easterly arm of Deep Hole Creek. I
would look into it and make some comments to DEC.
All these have been posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletln Board and they
are available for your scrutiny..
Ill. COMMUNICATIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: 1'We had our Assemblyman Sawicki send me a copy of
the .Report of the CitiZen Task Force on Resource Recovery in New York State.
It is available in Town Hall here to read. Read it, it's very interesting. They
look like they're almost copying the program that we're starting to initiate in
our Landfill here. I was very pleased, really, to see their recommendations
coincide with what we'~e doing.
2. Suffolk County Village Officials Association in opposition to losing
their zoning powers when they incorporate.
3. The Catholic War Veterans Post in Greenport is going to be the host
,organization for this year's Memorial Day Parade on Monday, May 28th at 10:30
A.M. The Town Boarcl is invited and expected to march, as well as our Town
Clerk.
4. Thank you from Chris Finnican, President of MattitucK-Cutchogue
Student Council for our support in their Run for Rodney, which was a great
success. They raised over $3,000.00 for this.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I would like to make sure that our hired-hand
planner, so to speak, checks in on this one that you brought to our attention,
Frank, this document here about this discharge of 400 gallons of water, and
report to the Town Boarcl. Ail right?.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay. We have public hearings scheduled at 3:30, so
we'll move on to Resolutions.
V. RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The first resolution is to approve a bond estimate.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded I~y Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the
bond estimate in the amount of $9,130.00 for the installation of a water main
in the Minor SubdivisiOn entitled, "Leon Marcus", located at Greenport, New
York, as' recommended by Southold Town Palnning Board and Engineer Lawrence
M. Tuthill~
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, ....
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Is to renew a trailer permit.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburqh, it was
i~ESuLVED that the application, dated May 4, 1984, for renewal of-a single
family house trailer by William P. Ruland, for trailer located on the corner of
Route 25 and Mill Lane, Mattituck, New York,._.. be and hereby is granted for
a six (6) month period. ""
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOi~ MURPHY: Number 3 is another bond estimate approval.
Moved by C~uncilmanTownsend, seconded by Justice Edwarcls, it wa~
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approve~ the
bond estimate in the amount of $125,000.00 For roads and improvements in the
subdivision ~ntitled, "Sebastian's Cove", located at Mattituok, New York, as
recommended by the Southold Town Planning Board and Engineer Lawrence M.
Tuthill.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh,-Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 4 is authorize a bus trip.
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Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of SOuthold hereby authorizes the
Southold Senior Citizens Clubr Inc. to engage one (1) bus, at a cost of $350.00
to transport their group to New York City on June 18, .1984, for a sightseeing
trip around Manhattan Island and to visit the United Nations building.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 5 is to authorize another bus trip.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by .Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes The
Seniors Club of Southold-Peconic, Inc. to engage one (1) bus, at a cost of
$384.00, to transport their group to and from the South Street Seaport, New
York City, on May 8, 1984.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend r Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:- Number 6 is to authorize the Cutchogue Fire Department
to use Town roads for a parade.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby 9rants-permission
to United Fire Company No. I t Cutchogue Fire Department, .to use Southold Town
Roads for stagin9 their 17th Annual Parade and Drill on Saturday, July 21, 1984
at 6:00 P.M., with a raindate of Sunday, July 22, 1984 at 2:00 P.M., provided
they secure the necessary insurance to hold the Town of Southold harmless.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 7 is to authorize me to execute an agreement.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes aha
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an agreement between the
County of Suffolk and the Town of Southold for the Year X Community Develop-
m'ent Program in the amount of $242,000.00.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Question~ Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, Joe.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: On here I noticed in the back we've reduced the
amount for the acquisition of the--oh, no, it's not there, it's still there.
thought that we were going to reduce it to--oh, no. Well, it's listed as
$12,500 on here. The third from the bottom, project 1018-12-10. Last page..
Was that the amount we originally scheduled, or is this the reduced amount,
Jim? The acquisition--S12,500 for the acquisition of Lower Road sump.
COUNCILMAN STOIJTENBURGH: That's the amount left.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Does 'that reflect that amount that we were talking
about transferring out? We took $32,500 out.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: $42,000 you had into it.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR McMAHON: We had a total of
$48r000 and we still have ~ $32; 500.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Wait a minutew you have $32,500.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's $32,500 for the sump, Joe, and $12,500 for th~
land.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: So the whole thing is in there still. Okay.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It hasn't been reduced down.
COUNClLMAN'STOUTENBURGH: Just moved around.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions?
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwardsf
Councilmafi Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was aeciar~d duly ADOPTED.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 8 is the Cabl'evision Franchise.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Excuse me. Joe, you were going to find out
about Greenport on that--if there was any--
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: No, I wasn't going to find out about it. You were
going to find about it.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Jim was.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, we'll take care of that.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: ! had some questions and I,wan~ed ~o make sure--
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR McMAHON: We got $5,000 from
the today, so---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Because I was told--I did happen to do some research
on it, but we haven'~':had a chance to discuss it.. I was told that it was illegal
for the Village to give us Community Development Funds. Now, I know that we
can give them Community Development Funds.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Jim says that he can get it.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Good. Good.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Twist their arm a little.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Okay, all right. I just to make sure that
was being followed up.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, Number 8 is the Cablevisi0n Franchise.
Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Supervisor Murphy,
WHEREAS, Times Mirror Cable Television of Lonq Island, Inc., formerly known
as Long Island Cablevision, has applied to the 'l~own Board of the Town of
Southold for the renewal of a franchise, permission or consent to use the streets,
highways and public places in the Town of Southold for the purpose of trans-
mittin9 and distributin9 television impulses by coaxial cable, ~nd
WHEREAS, the .Town Board held a public hearing on the 8th ~day of May, 1984,
at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, at 8:00 P.M., upon
the matter of said application at which time all interested persons were given an
opportunity to be heard, and
WHEREAS, after due deliberation this Board believes that it would be in ~.the best
interest of the Town of Southold and the inhabitants thereof that a franchise be
granted to said corporation,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a franchise, permission or consent
be and the same hereby is 9ranted to the Times Mirror Cable Television of Long
Island, inc. for the use of the streets, highways and public places in the Town
of Southold or any part thereof or the space above or under them for the purpose
of erecting, maintaining and operating, cables, wires and appurtenances for the
purpose of transmission and distribution by coaxial cable of television impulses
and television energy, all in accordance with the terms and. conditions of the
contract between the Town of Southold and Times Mirror Cable Television of Long
Island, Inc. dated May 22, 1984.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.)
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilm.a.~.Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR I~IURPHY: Number 9 is the Cross Sound Ferry agreement.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an agreement between
the State of New York, through the Department of Transportation, the Town
of Southold and Cross Sound Ferry, Inc., whereby Cross Sound Ferry Service,
Inc. agrees to undertake, and proceed expeditiously to implement the service
improvements, which is a part of this agreement, all in accordance.with the
~erms and conditions of the agreement, and subject to the Town's compliance
with the terms, conditions and requirements of the agreement, the State agrees
to pay to or on behalf of the Town of Southold, in the manner provided in the
agreement, a maximum of Four Hundred Thousdand Dollars ($400,000.00) to
the costs of contracts entered into for the accomplishment of the project.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The only thing I would like to--I read it into the record,
but we should strike out is the part on the---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: "Terminal building, staging area--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: "And complete the construction of a new terminal
building, staging area and bulkhead," strike out that, Judy.
MRS. JOYCE TERRY, Orient: Mr. Supervisor.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Please, wait one second. We're not ready yet. We'll
be open in a minute for that.
MRS. TERRY: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: "Proceed expeditiously.." and all of this other is all
removed. "Agree to expeditiously to implement .the service improvements, which
is a part of this agreement, all in accordance with the terms and conditions of
the agreement, and subject to the Town's compliance with the terms, conditions
and requirements of the agreement..." just making the agreement and not these--
the part of the work..I offer that resolution.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Would you just read back that sentence through.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; "Whereby the Town of Southold and Cross Sound Ferry
agree to undertake, and proceed expeditiously." "The Town of Southold ana Cross
Sound Ferry, Inc. agree to expeditiously implement the service improvements,
which is a part of this agreement, all in accordance with the terms and conditions
of the agreement," which we've amended. I think it says ex.actly what we'~ve been
trying to say. Any questions?.
MRS. TERRY: Question.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: One second. Joe?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: ! just want to make sure that what we're talking about
zs voting for the agreement that we have. The thing you wanted to strik~ out
was that we are not going to be responsible for---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It spells out in the agreement, but.I didn't want it in
the resolution. Okay? Paul, do you have any other comments?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: No, I have no comments.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Judge Edwards?'
JUSTICE EDWARDS: No.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, I believe there's a couple of lac~ies on the floor
would like to speak on the motion.
MRS. TERRY: Where can the Environmental Impact Statement of Cross 3ou,,d
F~rry be seen?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: What part of it are you talking about?
MRS. TERRY: Where can we see the Environmental Impact Statement?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: There is one that has been filed with the DEC, who
is the Lead Agency, I beliei)e, on the wetland part of ~he application. It was
determined by the Zoning Board of Appeals as a Negative Determination~.on~ their
part of the appeal. The Planning Board is doing a Negative Determination.
MRS. TERRY: What does that' mean?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That it did not--the construction does not havre a
significant effect on the environment.
MRS. TERRY: But there was no DEIS filed with Southold Town Town Boara.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: DEC was the kead Agency on one part of it.' The work
that's involved with the Town and the State is not involved in the wetlands at
all. ~ '
.TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I don't think that that, s true, Frank. What we're
doing with the dolphins--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, okay, I~m sorry. There's a DEC permit'on the
dock work.
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MRS. TERRY: On the dock work.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes.
MRS. TERRY: But I mean on the whole environmental impact of the terminal,
the traffic'and everything. There's no DEIS on it?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Just the ones I told you, yes, mam.
MRS. TERRY: Because--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: There is one for the dolphin work. The work within
300 foot of the shore.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: I think that that should be corrected slightly.
As I understand it, the DEC received an application to put the buikheading
ana thc dolphin work in and they declared themselves the Lead Agency, ancl
I think they made a determination Lha[ it ;~as not going to have an effect on
the environment, but that application as Mr. Beach will probably indicate,
who's with the DOT, that that application only delt with an area up to 300
feet from the shoreline, and it was limited to that application. As I understand
it, FranK, Enconsultants did, in' fact, prepare a Draft Environmental Impact
Statement, which we were discussing at the last Executive Meeting, and it made
a pusitive determination, and the County Community Development Agency was
going to have a meeting that afternoon to resolve that questiun of that Environ-
mental Impact Statement and which we've never heard anything more about. So,
it is, to me, a httle confusing, and that we also ascertained that the Planning
Board of the Town of Southold entertained a site plan application and did" not
deal with anything having to do with SEQR. I don't know what to tell you.
MRS. TERRY: With State money--you've involved witl-i State funds--you have to
have an ElS when you use State money, so where does that leave us?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: They're going to have to fulfill 'all the qualifications
of a site plan. If the Planning Board has not had a chance to review the Environ-
mental Impact Statement, they will. They will be the lead agency for that and
they will'have to review it. If it's not acceptable, then this'money is going to
take wings ana they're not going to build. They're going to have to ~'comply with
the SEQR process. The reason we are rushing ahead with this, so to speak, is
that the State has a very tight schedule and they want us to facilitate their
funding and we're overseeing their funding, and'they are going to have a signing,
when, ,this weekend of so?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They would like to have it Friday.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Of the funding. That does not mean that Cross Sound
can go ahead and build. That's a separate process. They still have to go through
the site plan approval. I'm not saying that they won't get the site plan approval,
but they have to through it.'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The' State has to approve of all the contracts that are let.
MRS. TERRY: Whom do we approach for a half a million passenger~, a hundred
and fifty thousand cars and eleven thousand.five hundred trucks?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: i .assume that would be a part of the application the
Planning Board is 'going to review.
MRS. TERRY: They are?
COUNCIl_MAN TOWNSEND: It's probably not appropriate, but they're handling
trucks and passengers now and they've got the size ferrYs that they're going
to have, so a lot of that environmental assessment is going to have to be involved
with how the new facility is going to handle it. Whether it's going to handle it
in a better way or is it going to continue to be a dusty and uncomfortable eye-
sore, or whatever.
MRS. TERRY: I tallied to tt.e East Hampton Supervisor's Office this morning and
they are really devoting a lot of time. They had a whole meeting for it, and they
are requiring an ElS and lot of thought.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: That's a new application over there.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: See, this is existing facilities that are being improved,
and existing run. Over in East H~pton they're talking about putting a new run
in, and impacting the area.
MRS. TERRY: But this is being expanded to a large extent and is producing
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MRS. MARJORIE SMITH, Orient: We just wondered how much income in the
actual dollars will this proposed increase in ferry service bring to the Town of
Southold. We're just wondering if it's worth sacrificing Orient for. It's a
whole way of life that you're changing and we would like to be a part of the
change and we'd like to,know why we weren't---was there a public hearing on
this? We were not aware if there was, and aren't we supposed to be consulted
is why we're here to day. Why were we not consulted about the big change
out here?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is a grant, as I said, to a pi~ivate company,, from
the State of New York .to the private company, to improve an existing service.
Not to make a new service.
MRS. SMITH: ! know, but don!t we have, as Township'and as Orient residents,
can't there be a cap or~ to l-~w b~'oaci and how large they. can expand? I mean,
they can keep getting grants and could keep widening and traffic'until you have
solid.cars and trucks. We can't talk in our front rooms out there now.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I think, Mrs. Smith, and we are aware of these plrobtems,
and the State is aware of them too, The State has given the assurance that they
would not widen that road and make it'a four lane or a three lane l~ighway at ali.
Mr. Campbell, from Albany, had said that he will--once they start making the
improvements, they will start planning for 'the eventual improvement of that road,
as a two lane road only, with a decent shoulder to make it safer for the people,
much more quiet and do what they, can. There would be no property taking or
anything. As far as. controlling the number of ferrys that use the site, we have--
unfortunately we have nothing to say on it. The Interstate Commerce Commission
has ali the rights and controls, the. rights between the two states, and ali ~hat the
State Of New York is trying, to do--and this came out of a study--that it would
have a tremendous economic benefit '.to the East End, as far as tourists, fishing,
farmers and all that, making a more dependable service, and that's what the State
is try!rig tO accomplish. ~-
MRS. SMITH: That we don't have anything to say about that then as residents
out there?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Certainly the State, the Town, the County, listens to
the residents. We know what the problems are. We've been on the r~oad, and
most of the problems are noise, really. The traffic'certainly is a big increase,
especially in:the summertime for Orient. We find that on every State road in
Town, that in the summertime we have tremendous road counts, and traffic. And
I think the State has been very goOd in trying to adclress this so as not to
'impact the people out there with undue noise and bothersome. They've been good
. on Setting the speed limit on the road and the Town Police have been ver~/ good
on trying to enforce it.
MRS. SMITH: Thank you.
MRS. CONSTANCE TERRY, Orient: May I ask a questiont
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, mam.
MRS. TERRY: I understand that there is a $400,000.00 grant, is that right?
SUPER~/ISOR MURPHY: Yes, mam.
MRS. TERRY: Is that Federal money, State money, or ---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's from the Bond Issue that you voted for an~ thc
people of the State approved last November.
MRS. TERRY': It's a bond issue.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Right.
MRS,. TERRY: I understand, also, that there is to be perhaps an insurance
policy in case they default? _
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Oh, sure. This 'is contractors. That's part of the
contracting part of it.
MRS. TERRY: Who pays for the insurance policy. . ~_
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The contrac[or does.
MRS. TERRY: The contractor himself pays for the money that we, as taxpayers,
are granting Cross Sound Ferry?
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
of the property and the dolphins are estimated at seven and a half years, and
that's the interest in the State in those dolphins. If Cross Sound Ferry ceased
Qperation, the State would have the power to come in and let somebody else use
those dolphins.
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The State ~a~-'a~"i~'~e~est in that property for the life
MRS. TERRY; Yes, but what I'm asking is about, the insurance policy.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: All the contractors have the insurance policy. There's
a bond.
MRS. TERRY: Do you understana what I'm talking about?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Yes, I know what you':re trying to say. The Town's
involvement, and I think we've been debating an~l debating and debating this.
The Town's involvement is at the very minimum. We have seen to it that every
cost, other than our own time, and the time of our Town Attorney up to this
point, is being borne by Cross Sound Ferry. The State has asked us to administer
their grant. Cross Sound Ferry is going to get that grant one way or another.
If we refuse to do it then some other entity that may not be as sensitive to the
needs of the Township;~to your needs, is 'going to have to administer that grant.
I'm sensitive to your pOsitiOn, an~ you know why t'm sensitive to your position.
MRS. TERRY: Yes, yes I do.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: But I feel that we are better off in the driver's seat
on this particular issue than some impersonal arm of the State who might say, well,
fine, you can put diesel trucks there--where it m~y not be appropriate, closer to
somebody's house or something. I think we're going to be a little more sensitive,
we're going to have some power in saying how they administer that $400,000.00.
What kind of improvements are made, what the architecture looks like, that's all
in ~here. In that sense that's why the Town is undertaking ~his. We're not.~:
undertaking this 'to bring more traffic out here. It's going to happen. As Frank
says, w~ really haven't got much to say how many people use. You're not going
to find another ferry site being located up the Island in a new place, because if
you were living there you wouldn't allow it. If ! was living there I wouldn't ahow
it. We're stuck with these things.
MRS. TERRY: Our Town Board a'year ago promoted the increase in service and
we were never asked, so now there is no reason to investigate further.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND:
We promoted--I think we promoted better facilities, because right now people are
out there--maybe if we' didn't have better facilities not as. many people would
use it, but people have discovered itand right now they've got a dirt drive-
way and you go down there and clouds of dust exisi. Maybe we could stand
in the way of it, maybe we could lie in' front olf the 'bulldozers, but I don't
think that ~n the long run it would help. And I think the best thing we can
do is to cooperate and make it a better terminal.
don't think that we really ever promoted the increase.
MRS. TERRY: Did you understand my question about the insurance policy?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: The insurance policy--there's al! sorts of liability
insurance that's p~ovided to--protective liability, we :have certificates as to
..their~general Hability, their'workmen's, compensation, viriually every form of.
Insurance. We require certificates and we require them to buy us a policy.
We will not pay for it.
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: Maybe I can e~plain this. We've been hasseling
with this contract for about four meetings. Bas.cally it's this. The State has
given the grant for $400,000.00 and they're asking the Town to take over the
supervision, really, of the expenditure of that $400, 000. 00 for certain'improve-
ments at the ferry terminal. This imposed quite a lot of duties and responsibilities
on the Town. What we have been doing for four weeks is 'trying to absolve
the Town from financial responsib!lity. Let's take the insurance. What~ insurance
is going to be required, and they have covered all of the various types of
.insurance thatl, will have to be provided. We have made sure that either Cross
Sound Ferry will pay for those policies, or the contractor who's bidding f~r
the construction work, will pay for those policies. As to the guarantee that
the contracts will be fulfilled for the construction, we will require a performance
bond of the-contractor whose bid we accept, up to a hundred percent of the
value.ot~ the contr.act. Secondly, because the State is only p~utting in $400,000..00,~
and any two or more of the constituent par~s o~ the project will exceed the
$400,000.00, we have provided that Cross Sound--let's assume that we let a
~;ontract for the dock work and the State is saying ,,e have.S400,000. 00 we're
putting into that, let's assume that the bids come in at $4~0, 000. 00, what we
have done in this contract is said, "Cross Sound, we will not accept a bid
unless you. put up $50,000.00 of your own money, by a Letter of Credit, to
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guarantee us that before we sign a contract the Town of Southo[d has both
State funds and Cross Sound funds sufficient to fulfill those contracts." This
is what we have been trying to do. Now, the duty has been imposed on the
Town to advertise for bids, accept the bids, analyze the bids, accept the bids
and award the contracts and supervise construction. We said,"We do not have
the people nor the funds to do this." We said, "We will not do this unless we
are permitted to hire a separate consulting firm, who will be our consulting
engineer, and he will be paid for by Cross Sound, by Cross Sound putting
up the money right at the front." And it's going to be, I believe, two percent
of the total contract price that Cross Sound will have to put the money up before
we sign anything, to guarantee the payment of that consultant who will be
representing the Town of Southold. So we have been attempting to cove~: all
of the possible liabilities and responsibilities that have been imposed on the
Town by passing those things on either to Cross Sound or to the contractors.
And that's the general way that this thing is being put together.
MRS. TERRY: Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, are there any other questions on the resolution?
MRS. KATHLEEN I_ATHAM, Orient: While I think I'm twenty years too late,
but I would like to tell you that Orient is not happy with the ferry .and the
increased traffic, and I just had one ~luestion. Would you be able to-- would
someone be able to put up a traffic~light, or something, down at the ferry, so
that there's a break in the traffic, so that it's not just a steady stream?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That would be up to the State who controls the traffic
on the road. We could bring the suggestion to them.
MRS. LATHAM: Yes, but it 'is our Town, so I think that it would be helpfu~l
if we had some sort of a break in the traffic from time to time so someone co~uld
get out of his driveway or turn off the road.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND- A flashing light might do something like that so
that somebody has to stop each time they get up, so there would be a gap b~tween
cars and sometimes there would be a greater gap, I'm sure, if you did that. We
can make that request.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:. We can. We definitely can.
MRS. LATHAM: A gap between each car is'something, but'l think maybe it
would be more helpful to have some cars go--
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I' know what you mean, but the problem is-that if
they put up a stop light you have to justify certain volume of traffic and with
the pulsing kind of traffic you have you won't find that there's that much volume.
I know what you mean though. You~ can't get out--you know, for minutes at a
time you're stuck there while cars move- by.
MRS. LATHAM: And I just want the Town Boarcl to b~ aware that we"re not
happy, but I can see that we're stuck in the situation now, but if'there's an))
way to keep from increasin9 it any more. that's what we would like.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'll tell you, Mrs. Latham, how important the State
really feels about the community~ the Town and Orient and the people down
there. Mr. Beacher Halsey, over here, is the Regional Planner for this district.
We've had Mr. Wilson Campbell and the State's attorney down hereto see that
the Town's interest--to work with the Town to see that our concerns and interest
were taken, care of. Your comments will be taken down by Beacher, and I'm sure
will be taken i~to consideration. We are aware of the problem. The State is,very
much aware of it 'and I think all of us working together, I think we could get the
best' solution. ' As Joe said, there's somethings we can do and can't do.
MRS. LATHAM: Thank you very much.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Work for the impr~ovement of ferry services~ in'~Po~t
Jefferson. Show up at their public hearings and support the ferry service.
MRS. GERT. REEVES, Orient: I live on Youngs Road in Orient. In the tenter
of the road turning off of 25 is a tree. We don't want it disposed of, but On
either side of the tree the property owners have hedges. We have to get the
front of our car out on to the concrete before we can see left or right. ,Is
it possible that the Town~.can order the people who own the hedqes to cut ~_them
down to let us see? There is another one across from the Candy Man. It's
on a turn so that you. can't see more than possibly a hundred feet.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, we can. If you'd leave your phone and I'ii
get it from the Town Clerk. Just give it to us now, and I will contact you.
We will go out there with the Building Inspector to see, and the State people
I!m sure--maintenance pe~3ple--will'come out and do the same thing.
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MRS. REEVES: Is that part of
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That is a State highway i believe you're talking about.
MRS. REEVE: Yes, but it's on--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I don't know, we'd have to see it to see--
MRS. REEVE: Behind the sidewalk--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mr. Dean~ancl myself will go out there and see wl~at
can be done and if We need the State's. cooperation I'm sure they will.
MRS. REEVES: The other problem is in connection with the ferry. ! understood
that there was a law in the Town of Southold which you could not remove sand
or .topsoil or gravel. Then why was it taken to Connecticut on their ferryboat?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Without a mining permit. They have a permit to do this--
to do the dredging. They have a DEC permit to do the dredging.
MRS. REEVES: There were two loads of topsoil that were taken off~--
TOWN CLERK TERRY: You're not talking abo~t the dredging?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This was dredging spoil.
MRS. REEVES: No.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: What was it?
MRS. REEVES: It was topsoil that they took off of the land.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'll look into it.
MRS. REEVES: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else have any comments? (No response.)
If not, I would like to vote on the resolution. ~
VOTE ON RESOLUTION NO. 9:
Vote of the Town Boar~: Ayes: Councilman ~toutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was c~eciared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, Number 10 is---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: We have public'hearings.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY':' Okay, we better, we're past 3.:30. ! had asked the--
you might have known the former Supervisor was here. I:h'ad asked him~-I was
supposed to go to a graduation at Suffolk Community College at ~:00 o'clock as~'''
one of the guests, and so we're shy one Councilman, so I'll have to stay here.
Otherwise we wouldn't have the necessary votes. How about--why not while
Beacher is'here--Foster Beach, why don't we do the--you're concerned about
the Ward Associates Contract too? That's the next one.
MR. FOSTER BEACH~ NYS-DOT: Yes, I am.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Why don't we do that and then we'll, recess for--
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Are there people for any of the hearings here?
response.) No one here in regard to the hearings.
(No
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southol'd hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis'J. Murphy to execute an agreement between~Ward ~
Associal~es, P.C. and the State of New York, through the Department of Trans-
portation, the Town of Southold, and Cross Sound Ferry..Service, Inc. for the
construction phase and administration of the construction contract, relatin~g to
the Town's agreement with the New York State Department of Transportation
and Cross Sound .Ferry Service, Inc. for the Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc.
marine facility development at Orient Point.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: First we have to find out ~vh~t you're saying,
I think, to make it. clear again. All right?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: What we're saying is that we're hiring Ward Associates
to oversee the Town's concerns on the agreement that we have just signed with
the State of New York.
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: NOW, can we safely say, "Not to exceed two percent?"
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mo.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: We can't?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Then how can we sign an agreement if we don, t know
what the cost is?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The State has to approve the funding on it.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Then perhaps they should approve the funding and
we should have that in the agreement.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: The State pays it though.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Cross Sound Ferry is paying this~ whatever they Want.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I see what you're saying.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Cross Sound Ferry has to sign this agreement, Joe.
The cost is borne by Cross Sound Ferry. The State tells us what they want
to do--what they want us to do. We tell our consultant what they're to do and
Cross Sound Ferry pays them. Okay?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Just as long as it's understood that they are paying
the fee.
COUNClLI~IAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's in the contract. It.is in the contract that C_r~ss-
Sound Ferry agrees to pay the Town and we pay Ward Associates.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: You don't want to see the two percent in there? Or
does it matter to you?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It really doesn't matter. ~
TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: It doesn't make any difference.
sUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's in the contract agreement, Joe, with Ward Associates.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Okay. If'you're agreeable.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: "Construction phase ana administration of the
construction contract of the project, constructed and designed by them," is
that the way you want it?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Ward isn't designing this.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ward is not designing anything. They're doing the
inspection for the Town period. That's what we--don't want this other firm
mentioned in there.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Just leave at out "at a fee of two percent of the
actual cost of construction."
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I wouldn't even put the fees in, Joe.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Leave it out, that's what I'm saying.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Leave that ~hole par~t of it out.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I'm saying, "for construction phase and aministra~ion
of the construction, contract of project designed by--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No, we don't want it. Because you've got two designs
here. That's why you don't'want that stuff in it, Joe.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Leave it out.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: "For. construction phase and aminisf~ration of the Town's
agreement with the State of New Yort~.!! Okay, Would that be better?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Can we say "relating to marine facility development?"
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay.
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Can I read it the way I'd like to see it?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yupo
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Starting at, "through the Department of Transportation,
the Town of Southold, Cross Sound Ferry Service, Inc., for the. construction
phase and. administration of the construction contract, relating to the marine
facility development, Orient Point Ferry Terminal for Cross Sound Ferry Service
Inc." How's that? They're probably going to be working on a marine facility,
I assume.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Well, the whole thing is marine, yes.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: How about that.~ That just leaves out that wh61e.,
clause.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Fine, okay.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: So, do you accept it as amended? Or--that's it?
That's your resolution?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes. Any other questions on it? (No response.)
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VOTE ON RESOLUTION NO. 10:
Vote of the Town Boara: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
'This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, at this 'time I would like to recess our Regula~r
Meeting and move on to foul.or five Public Hearings that we have for today.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that a recess be called at this time, 3:52 P.M. for the purpose of~:
holding public :hearings.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was aec~ared duly ADOPTED.
IV~ PUBLIC HEARINGS
;1~ On the Wetland ApPlication of Matt-A-Mar ~lar~na.
2. On the Wetland Application of Costello Marine Contracting Corp., on
behalt of Alvah, Jr., Bruce and Allen Goldsmith.
3. On the Wetland Application of Edward Quintieri and Richard Pulcini.
4. On the Wetland Application of John P. Kowalski;
5. On the Wetland Application of Chester Dickerson.
Regular Meeting reconvened at 4~00 P.M.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okayv moving back to ~Resolution No. 11.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwardsf it was
RESOLVED that the Town BOard of the Town of Southold hereby ahocates
$4,000.'00 from the General Fund. Whole Town Account A962', Budgetary
Pr~viaions for Other Uses, into General Fund Whole Town Account A4050,
Public Health, Subsidiary Account, and appoints Isabelle Day' and Eileen
Peppard, effective June 1; ~984 through September 1, 1984, at a salary of
$2,000.00 each, to apply BTI Mosquito Control substance throughout Fishers
Island, in appropriate areas.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: This is a new Number 117
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, Joe. I~;ant to add: "coming from General
'Fund Whole Town to A.4050, Public Health, Insect .Control."
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Can we change the wording of that to
"in appropriate areas", instead of '~'swamps?" ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, okay, "in appropriate areas." Any other questions
on it?, (No response.)
Vote~0f the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh,~Justice Edwar(~s,
Coucnilman Townsend, Supervisor' Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 12, Ray?
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13.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Boaro of the Town of SOuthold hereby authorizes
Town Justice Raymond W. Edwards to attend the Justice Training Course on
Saturday, June 2, 1984:, at Riverhead, New York, and the .actual expenses
incurred for meals, lodging and travel shall be a legal, charge against the
Justice Contractual Account.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions? (No response.)
Vote of the Town Boaro: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 13, Ray, you want to make?
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded, by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Boarcl of the Town ~f Southold hereby appoints
John Clavin as Harbor Master for the waters ~n and around Fishers Island,
effective May 15, 1984 through October 1, 1984; Mr. Clavin to serve in this
capacity without compensation.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman ~ow~.send, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 14 is'to execute an agreement.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Could I say something here?
· SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Surely.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH:. Would it be all .right if'l spoke to Frank
Kujawski.about someone in Mattituck iCreek serving this same basic-concept!
without pay? He thinks he has. somebody there that might do this~ Would
that be all right?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure. We get the_ resolution next time. Number 14
now is to execute an agreement.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Could we have a little discussion? I'll read it :if
you want.
14. Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that Supervisor Francis J. Murphy be and he hereby is .authorized
and directed to execute an agreement between the Town of Southold and the
New York State Department of Equalization ana Assessment for computer processin9
of the Southold Town Tax Roll for the period from April 1, 1984 through March
31 · .1985.
COUNCILMAN
TOWN CLERK
CO UN Ci LMAN
change here?
SUPERVISOR
COU NCl LMAN
SUPERVISOR
.TOWNSEND: What's the total cost?
TERRY: This is 'the ALRM System.
TOWNSEND: Right, I just want to know if it represents a major
MURPHY: It's on the back, Joe. . ~
TOWNSEND: Yes, ! saw the rates but I didn't--Oh, here we are.
MURPHY: This is our third renewal, right, Judy?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Yes.
MURPHY: And at the ~esent time, Joe, I would never want to
SUPERVISOR
go out to-- ,.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: We can't change it,' right. Was there a significant
increase of rate per parcel? Is that at the same, or--- ~
TOWN CLERK TERRY: It's the same as last year.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I certainly would not even consider going to another
system. I think we'd be crazy. The Assessors are very.' happy with this
system and I think we should tailor our whole computerization to this system.
Any other questions? (No response.) .
Vote of the Town Boar~: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwar¢ls,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy. "~ .
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. /. "
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 15 is a t~ailer renewal.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded ~ by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the application of George A. McCarthy, dated May 10, 1984,
for the renewal of a single family house trailer permit for trailer located on
private rodd off the south side of Main Road, Laurel, New York, be and hereby
is ~~f~o.r._a_.~si~x~ (6) month period.
Vote of the Tow~Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Iownsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 16 is another trailer renewal.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwaras, it was
RESOLVED that the application Of Ange and Barbara Boursiquot for renewal
of their single family house trailer permit, which expired on May 4, 1984,
for trailer located at private ,road off north side of Main Road, Ma~tKuck, New
York, be and hereby is 9ranted for a s~x (6) month period.
Vote of_t_he Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
Thi$~r~olU~i~n~-was-declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 17 is to adjust fees for Landfill Permits.
What we've done is we've added new fees.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it. was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends their
Resolution No. 39, adopted on November 1, 1983, setting fees for permits for
the.~_'i$.posal of liquid'and solid waste at the Southold Town Landfill' Site at
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Cut~j~o~]~"'New York, to include the following additional fees, to be effective'
June 1, ~1984:
2. ' (Amended to read as follows:) The annual permit fee of two hundred
fift~-(~2-50.0~) ..dollars shall be charged for each solid waste (garbage}~vehicle,
double axle' and compactors. The annual permit fee of one hundred ($100.00)
dollars shall be charged for each solid waste (garbage) vehicle, single axle.
3..~ (Amended to read as follows:) The-annual fee of two hundred fifty-
($250.00) dollars shall be charged for each commercial' contractor vehicle over
one ton double axle and/or truck trailer combinati~)n. The annual permit fee
of one hundred ($100.00) dollars shall be charged for each commercial contract0~'
vehicle over one ton single axle. The annual fee of fifty ($50.00) dollars shall
be charged for each commercial' contractor vehicle up to and including one ton
maximum gross vehicle weight.
5. (Amended to read as follows:) Any non-commercial vehicle of less than
one ton capacity, which possesses no permit,, may dispose of solid waste at such
landfill site upon the payment of a fee~ of fifty ($.50) cents for each entry into
such landfill site.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is
authorize~l and directed to 'obtain the appropriate vehicle permit stickers to be
affixed to the vehicles for which permits are issued, and to issue the same and
collect the fees therefor. __
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Town Clerk be and she hereby is
authorized and directed to place a 1/4 page legal notice in The Long Island
Traveler-Watchman, and The Suffolk Times notifying the public of ALL permit
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fees for the Southold Town Landfill Site.
FROM THE AUDIENCE: Could you explain the 50 cent fee?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's non-commercial--
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Who does not possess a permit.
FROM THE AUDIENCE: Oh, okay, that's all we wanted to know.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone who does not possess a permit and he is not
a commercial carrier. He could have a pick-up truck that he uses to go back
and forth to work and where he's just do it, taking his own garbage, not for
hire, he's eligible to go in there, if he doesn't want to come down and get a
free pea-mit,' he could go down to the dump ano pay 50 cents. And l'm sure
we'll probably sell some. Doesn't sound right, but I'm sure we will:
Vote of the Town Boarcl: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 18 is to increase the--public hearing to increase
the amount proposed for the Wastewater District.
18. Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwards,
in the Matter
'of
The Increase in the Maximum Amount
proposed to be expendeO for improvements
in the SOUTHOLD WASTEWATER DISPOSAL
DISTRICT, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk'
County, New york
....... T--~TTTT~-T TTTT . .
ORDER PROVIDING FOR A PUB~.IC
HEARING RELATIVE TO INCREASING
THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT PROPOSED
TO BE EXPENDED FOR IMPROVEMENTS
IN THE SOUTHOLD WASTEWATER
DISPOSAL DISTRICT
WHEREAS, the Southold Wastewater Disposal District was duly established
by a final order of this board adopted on the 15th day of February, 1983, as
amended by an amended final order adopted on .the 24th day of May, 1983, and
WHEREAS, the m~ximum' amount proposed to be expended for the
improvement in said district, as stated in the notice of public hearing on the
establishment of said district, was $1-,877,000., and ;
WHEREAS, on February 21, 1984, bids were received by the town board
for the construction of the improvement in said district, to consist of the
construction of a scavenger waste pretreatment facility, which bids were in the
total amount of $2,103,753., and which, when added to .the engineering, legal,
administrative, interest and contingency costs incidental to the construction of
such facility,- increased the total cost of constructing such facility to
$2,632,204., and
WHEREAS, Section 209-h of the Town Law provides that
improvement district has been established, upon the approval
after an
the
Comptroller of the State of New York, the maximum amount proposed to be
expended for the improvement in such district may be increased by an order of
the town board after a public hearing, which order shall be subject to a
permissive referendum, and
WHEREAS, the Office of the Comptroller of the State of New York is about
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improvement in said district from tk~ amo~;t~~ $1,877,000. to the amount of
$2,632,204., and
WHEREAS, it is now desired to call a public hearing for the purpose of
considering the matter of increasing the maximum amount proposed to be
expended for the improvement in said district from the amount of
$1,877,000. to the amount of $2,632,204.
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED .AS FOLLOWS:
1. That the town board of the Town of Southold' will hold a jaublic
hearing at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold; in the Town of
Southold, N.'Y. on the5th day of June , 1984 at 8:00 o'clock P.M.,
prevailing time to consider the matter of increasing the maximum 'amount
proposed to be expended for the improvement to be constructed in the
Southold Wastewater Disposal District from the amount of' $1,877,000. to the
amount of $2,632,204., and to hear all persons interested in the subject
matter thereof concernin9 the same, and to take such action thereon as is
required or authorized by law.
2. That the town clerk is hereby authorized and directed to cause a
certified copy of this order to be published once in The Suffolk Times and
The Long Island Traveler-Watchman, and also to post a certified copy of
this order on the signboard of the Town of Southold, all in the ti~e and
_mann_er r_equ?.ed_b.¥ !a_?._ .......................................
Vote of the-Town 'Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 19 is to hire part-time Gate Attendants at
the Landfill.
19.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Boarcl of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
the folIowin9 individuals as part-time Gate Attendants at the Southold Town
Landfill Site, effective May 14, 1984, at a salary of $5.00 per hour:
Stanley Becket, George Conklin, Marion Cooper, Gary Costas, George Foster,
An Grigonis, Rayjond Grilli, Charles Knispel, Fortuna Maney, James Maney,
Richard Montgomery, Ralph Watkins, James Bowden, James Kenney, Albert
Newalis.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other questions? (No response.)
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.-.-,
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 20 is to authorize' increases in the Nutrition
Budget and Expenditures for .1983. lt's a washout item.
20.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was'
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
the followin9 increases in the Town of Southold Nutrition Program 1983 Budget:
REVENUES:
Participant Income ............ $i 3, 769.00
Uses of Money ...... 2 ................................... $ 392.00
Misc. Local Sources .................................... -610,251.00
Total ....... r.- $!4,412.00
EXPENDITURES:
Economic Assistance & Opportunity $14,403.00
Employee Benefits ...................................... ~ 9.00
Total ......... $14,412.00
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly-ADOPTED.
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21.
22.
2¸3.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 20 and from here on are not on your Agenda.
They had to be added on today. Number 21 is a man from Southold who had
his house, completely destroyed by fire over the weekend, an~l it's to give him
a trailer permit for six months so he can live on the site and rebuild his~house.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenbur§h, it was
RESOLVED that the application of Robert Johnsen, dated May 21, 1984, for
the temporary location of a one-family house trailer at 4300. Soundview Avenue,
Southold, New York, for a s.x (6) mvnth pe, iod, be and hereby is 9ranted.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: CounCilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwar~ds,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was cleciared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 22 is funds for a mklget football league.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of SOuthold hereby allocates
$300.00 from the General Fund Whole Town Joint Youth Account A7320.4
~ the purchase of footballs for the North Fork Midget Football League.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Cour.cilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 23 is to rehear a Wetland Application.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets
3:30 P.M., Tuesday, June 19, 1984., Southold Town Hall, Main'Rodd,
Southold, New York, as time and place for a rehearin9 on the Wetland ~
^pplication No. 181 of Paul Kelly; applicant to pay the legal advertising
costs for same.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwardsm~
Councilman iownsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
COUNCILMAN STO~UTENBURGH: Will'fyou send that ~o the ccntractor or to
Kelly, a copy of the resolution?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: I will be sending it to his attorney who is represent-
ing hims-who was here today representing him.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold, in agreement with
the Southold Town Police Benevolent Association, and the Southold Town Civil
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26.
27.
Service Employees Associal~ion, hereby declares May 28, 1984 as the official
Memorial Day for employees of the Town, and further states that Wednesday,
May 30, 1984 shall be a regularly scheduled work day for all employees.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
Supervisor Francis'J. Murphy to execute a lease agreement between the Town
of Southold and Jessie H. Jackson for a parking field on the north side of
Route 25, Southold, New York, behind the Mattituck Auto Parts, Inc. build-
ing. Term of the lease is from Ja. nuary 1, ~1984 through December 31, ~1985~
at a total rent o~ $1.00 per year.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: What's the sum on that?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: There's no change, it'~ $1.00 per year.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the purchase of two
economy model cars, one for the Building Department and one for the Assessors
Department.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh,~ Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, ~econded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby engages
the services of Youn9 & Youn9 Land Surveyors to conduct a survey and
place markers at all of the Town Hall boundar~ lines.
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MAY 22,. 1984
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Is there!~!a~di~pute on-that, Frank?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No, what we need to do before we could cut the road
in, the owner here put the monuments going this way--but we don't know where
our north line is and while we're cutting this road through, which we'd like to
do, we want to try to improve the whole parking field.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: How much money do we have left in that item?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We have $7,000.00.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Was he the original surveyor?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: No, Van Tuyl was supposed to do it and we haven't
gotten it yet.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Oh, and he hasn't done it, so you're just
going over his head. All right. YOu should send a cancellation, then, to
Van Tuyl.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Do you want to act on any of the public'hearings we
held ?
TOWN CLERK
Trustees and
COUNCl LMAN
in place or in
is that who's
TERRY: Goldsmiih,. which was recommended approval by the
the Conservation Advisory Council.
TOWNSEND: With the provision that the next time it be done
kind. The problem is where we're going to run into with that
going to look back?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Who's going to be back here in twenty years?
That'S ridiculous. ~
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Well, the file's are here.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Sure they'll be here, but nobody's going to look at
them.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: We talked about setting up a system whereby when
we computerize every item on a piece of property is coded on the computer so
every parcel---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That this would be made-part of the record of that
property. Any other questions on it? Do you want to vote on it? Do you
want to wait, Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I think we should discuss these at our Work
Session. That's where I think they should come up.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Kowalski you'd like to wait? Do you have a problem
with that?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Kowalski, no..
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Negative Declarat,on, Number 28.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwardsr it was
RESOLVED that pursuan~ to Article ~ of the Environmental Conservation
Law State Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section
617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of Southold, notice is · ~
hereby given that the Southold Town Board, as ,eaG ~g~,,cy for :he action
described below, has determined that ~he project, which is unlisted r will
not have a significant effect on the environment.
Description of Action: Application of John P. Kowalski for a Wetland Fermi~
to construct catwalk on property located a,. 93v O1~ Jule .Lane, on a tributary
of James Creek, MattitUck, New York.
The project has been determined not to have a s,gn~fic~an~ effect on the
environment for the following reasons.
An ~nv~ro,.me..ta; Assessment. has been submitted which indicated t~,at ..o
significant adverse effect to the environment are likely to occur should the
project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a response from the Board of Southold Town
Trustee and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council indicating that
this oroiect would not have a siqnif~cant effect on the environment.
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MAY 22~ 1984
Because there has been no response in the allotted time from the New
York State Department of Environmental Conservation and the Southold Town
Building Department, it is assumed t;,at there are no objections nor comments
from those agencies.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: 'Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Townsend,
WHEREAS, John P. Kowalski applied to the. Southold Town Board for.a permit
under the provisions Of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, applica-
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31.
tion dated April 11, 1984, and
WHEREAS, said application was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and
Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council for their :findings and recommenda-
tions, and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said
application on the 22nd day of May, 1984, at which time all interested persons
were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that John P. Kowaksi be 9ran~ed permission under the provisions
of 'the Wetland Ordinance of the Town o~ Southold to construct a catwalk on
property located at 930 Ole Jule Lane, on a tributary of James Creek, Mattituck,
New York, PROVIDED this catwalk is located toward the southerly property line,
and to hug the bank, so it will not diminish the right of a boat to pass through
the creek further to the north, and the said'catwalk Shal| be located at least
two '(2) feet above the Spartina Grass. This permit shall expire on May 2,2,.19.B5
if 'work has not commenced by said date; there shall be two inspections required;
and the Town Clerk shall.~t~e notified when the project is completed.
Vote of the Town Boara: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwarcts;
Cou~.cilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; Okay, Would you like to do Chester Dickerson?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Yes.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edward~, it 'was .~
RESOLVED that pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation
Law State Environmental Quality Review and 6NYCRR Part 617, Section
617.10 and Chapter 44 of the Code of the Town of $outhold, notice is
hereby given that the Southold Town Board., as lead agency for the action
described below, has determined that the project, which is unlisted, will
not have a sic, lnificant effect on the environment.
Description Of Action: Application of Chester Dickerson for a Wetland Permit
to repair 'and backfill existing bulkhead damaged by storm on property located
at the west side of Watersedge Way, on Peconic Bay, Southold, New York.
I,. :~The projeCt.~has been determ'ined not to have a significant effect on the
environment for the following reasons: ~
An environmental Assessment has been submitted which indicated that no'
significant adverse effect to the environment-are likely to occur should the
project be implemented as planned.
Because there has been a respunse from the Board of Southold Town
Trustee and Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council indicating that
this project would not. have a significant effect on the environment.
Because there has been no response in the allotted time from the New '
York State Department of Environmental Conservation anti the Southold Town
Building Department, it is assumed that there are no objections nor. comments
from those agencies.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: -Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards,
Councilman -low~send, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh,
WHEREAS, Chester Dickerson applied to the Southold Town Board for .a permit
under the provisions of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold, applica-
tion dated April 13, :1984, ana
WHEREAS, said app, li~at.on was referred to the Southold Town Trustees and
Southold Town Conservation AdvisOry Council 'for their findings an~ re~om[..enda-
tions, and
WHEREAS, a public 'hearing was held by the Town Board with respect to said
application on the 22nd day of May, .1984, at which time all interested persons
were given an opportunity to be heard, now, therefore, befit~
RESOLVED that Chester Dickerson be 9ranted permission under the provisions
of the Wetland Ordinance of the Town of Southold to repair an~ backfill existing
bulkhead damaged by storm, .on property located a~ th~ west side of Watersedge
Way, on Peconic Bay, Southold, New York, all in accordance w:th the application.
This permit shall expire on May 22, 1985, if work has not ~ommenced by said'date.
MAY 22, 1984
there shah be two inspections requi ~r, ed; aod, the Town Clerk shall be notified
when the project is completed. .
Vote of the Town Boar(~: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwaros,
~.our,cilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's the end of our prepared and added-on-to Agenda.
And at this time I'd like to ask the Councilmen if they have anything further to
come before the Town Boarcl? Councilman Townsend?
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COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: No, I don't. We should remind people that there is
an election today, very Special Election, and to vote.
SUPERVISOR
COUNCILMAN
SUPERVISOR
MURPHY: Vote the right way.
TOWNSEND: The right way meaning Conservative versus---
MURPHY: For the best man.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: For the best person.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Councilman Stoutenburgh.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes, ! spoke to Judy about the idea of perhaps
maybe putting a paragraph above a public:notice. One of the big complaints that
came out of a meeting at Cutchogue last night, and I think we've heard it many
times before, that people--call them being lazy, not interested, or what have you--
when they scan a page of public notice, small print, it's very difficult for them
to decipher exactly what it's saying, and I Would think we could have a small
quote at the top that would say, "There is a subdivision of 200 homes on 50-acres
of land on such and such a street," and that's all there, an~l then put down'the-
public notice in' the legal form, so that people could go through the paper and
see this, and they could pick out the things that they would be interested iri~ and
! think you'd get a much better response and a lot less hassel. Now here there
was a whole room full of people, there were 150 people there last night, and half
of them said they didn't read it in the paper about Seacroft.
TOWN CLERK
COUNCILMAN
but the point
be---
TERRY; That was a Planning Board notice you're talking about, Paul.
STOUTENBURGH: Well, maybe the Planning Board should to it,
is I think we should send on some sort of notice that people would
COUNCILMAN
lng about the
see it. I mig
TOWNSEND: We could set up the procedure. They were complain-
fact that they were too late for the Change of Zone, and they didn't
ht also, in addition to that---
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: People, in the newspaper, might wan~ as~ericks or
star in coming events.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes, a ci.rcle or something to show that this
is the important part.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Paul, in a legal notice for a Change of Zone, the first
paragraph specifies that it is a Change of Zone on a certain parcel of property
and it will' either say in Eas~ Ma, io.'., M,tt~tu~k, Cutchogue.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I wish y~h"~vere there and explained that to
them last night, Judy, and they wouldn't have li~te..ed to you one bit, because
they--everyone agreed that these things are not easy to read.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: There's a ce~-t~in legal format tha~ must be i~ollowed.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I don't know how to overcome it, but I think
something should be done. We talk about it and nothing is ever done.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anything further, Paul? Judge Edwards?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Wait a minute, I'm not finished yet. One more
thing is how about this idea of a person, coming from the departments--various
departments and meeting with our Work Session? Can we-work up something
like that, a schedule? So that we can have somebody come in and if there is
something from the Trustees they can ~ell it to us. If there is nothing they
don't have to sho,. up. Bu~ at least let them know that there is a time when
they can come in and we expect them to be in.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Or a memo regarding the Agenda.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: It says right in there, right off in the beginning--
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; I thought maybe invite half to every ~other meeting or
something like that.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Don't make it a burden---
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Just for a period of time so we could ask questions of
what's going on.
MRS. RUTH OI-IVA: It might be a good idea also if some of the Town Boar~
membef-s would alternate and attend some of these other Board meetings too to
see how they run. You know, beth ways. There's such a lack of communication
among all the Boards and then they sit and look at me ana say, '!What happened
at that one?"
SUPERVISOR
MRS. OLIVA:
SUPERVISOR
COUNCILMAN
SUPERVISOR
MURPHY: Good thing we have you.
But it would be better if one of you fellows we, e there.
MURPHY: Paul, anything further?
STOUTENBURGH:' Nothing further.
MURPHY: Judge Edwards?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: I just have this resume for Elizabeth Beyers that's going
to do the planning on Fishers Island. I'll give this to you Frank and you can
pass it on to Dave Emilita. And also, on record that again we're very happy
to have the roads taken care of over on Fishers Island and Mr. Dean saia
thdt w~'r~ going to get the stiping machine over there to put the stripes on
and it's nice to hear that we're going to get another car over there. ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And your mosquitos killed.
JUSr~ICE EDWARDS: And the mosquitos.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Controlled.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I would make sure that your plannir~g report
is transmitted to RIPPW. Make sure that RPPW knows that you have ~bmeone
doing this 'thing and that it will be incorporated into the Master Plan, because
it .won't do any good if you have it.
JUSTICE EDWARi~S: i know that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
cumment ?
Is there anyone in the ~u~lience would like to mak~ a
MR. PHIl, BARTH: I'd like to make one comment. It's just a comment and maybe
it's a little presumptious, but it seems to me that when you offer resolutions that
the resolutions should be worded before you sit down at The ,,,eeting. It gets .t.o.
be not only confusing ~o'the public, but confusing to everybody and it's also not
very businesslil~e. ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Due to time restraints on some of these, it's impossible.
Most of the time ! think they are do,,e quite professional;y. Good comments, ana
we will'heed it.
TOWN CLERK TERRY:
change them around.
They had them today~ Mr. Ba~th, they.just decided to
MR. BARTH: At the last minute.
COUNCIl-MAN TOWNSEND: What we'.~re, not doing apparently i~'taking enough
time to review. See, the phiiosphy I think Frank has, and you can ~or, ect
me if I'm wrong, is 'that these things should be' openly discussed and more ~
people tend to at~en~ thc Work Session than the Regular Meeting. ! dtffe~
a little bit, I think we should probably go through them in open session before
the meeting and get the wording down, but it's a legitimate difference of~op~nion,
but I think my position would eliminate what you're talking about, where ~e get
into mayoe sometimes wrangli,~g or going on, but I understand his point of view
also o,, that, that more people would hear it this way.~ Unfortunately what you
hear is what you get.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Joe, I would just like to comment on that. The ones
that we did change today came from discussion down here on the floor about
this, with the mosquito control and with the DOT. That's where the changes
came from.
COUN(~ILMAN TOWNSEND: We didn't nail them down, though.
MAY 22~ 1984
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes. Mr. Harvey..
MR. STUART HARVEY: I have a clipping here that came out of the paper.
I'd like you to check it. The Vietnam Vets apparently get the short end all
the time an(] i u.,derstand now they're going to have an Unknown Soldier buried
and the President is asking for certain observance of the Flag flown. I wonder
if you'd be interested in it too?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'd be more than happy to participate. Thank you,
this will be done. Anyone else like to make any comments? (No response.)
if not, I would' entertain a motion to adjou, n, the meeting and thank you 'for
your attendance.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 4:33 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Stoutenburgh, ,Justice Edwards,
Councilman Townsend, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
/~:~ditl5 T. Terry, Southold(.~l'own Clerk
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