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1 COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
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TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
3 REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
PUBLIC HEARING ' S
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6 Southold, New York
7 November 30 , 2021
7 : 00 P . M .
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11 B E F 0 R E :
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13 SCOTT A . RUSSELL, SUPERVISOR
14 LOUISA EVANS , BOARD MEMBER
15 JILL DOHERTY, BOARD MEMBER
16 JAMES DINIZIO, JR . , BOARD MEMBER
17 ROBERT GHOSIO, BOARD MEMBER
18 SARAH NAPPA, BOARD MEMBER
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1 KOEHLER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS EASEMENT
2 COUNCILMAN ROBERT GHOSIO : Notice is
3 hereby given resolved that pursuant to the
4 provisions of Chapter 17 Community
5 Preservation Fund and Chapter 70 ,
6 Agricultural Lands of the Town Code, the
7 Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
8 sets Tuesday, November 30th at 7 : 00 P . M . at
9 Southold Town Hall , 53095 Main Road in
10 Southold, New York as the time and place for
11 a Public Hearing for the purpose of
12 development rights easement on property
13 owned by the Peconic Land Trust Incorporated
14 as contract vendee for the Koehler Family
15 Limited Partnership . And I will read the
16 summary of this . The purpose of this Public
17 Hearing is to hear the public interest on
18 the Town ' s purchase of development right ' s
19 easement proposed SEQRA determination for
20 property located at 4180 New Suffolk Avenue
21 in Mattituck . And identified on the SCTM
22 No . 1000- 115-10-1 . If the Town Board adopts
23 the proposed resolution, the Town would
24 elect to propose development right ' s on the
25 property for agricultural purposes . In
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1 addition, this would be classified as an
2 unlisted action pursuant to the SEQRA Rules
3 and Regulations and the Town Board would
4 make the determination that there is no
5 significant impact on the environment and
6 declare a negative declaration for SEQRA
7 rules and regulations for this action . The
8 purposed acquisition is for development
9 right ' s easement for agricultural purposes
10 on part of the property consisting
11 ( inaudible ) 11 . 9 acres of the approximate 15
12 acre parcel . The easement will be acquired
13 using Community Preservation Funds . The
14 purchase price is $ 69, 000 per buildable
15 acre, estimated at $ 821 , 100 . The Land
16 Preservation Committee has reviewed the
17 application for the acquisition and
18 recommends that the Town Board acquire the
19 easement . A full text of the proposed Local
20 Law is available for review in the Town
21 Clerk ' s office and the Town Board website .
22 I do have a signed affidavit, notarized,
23 that this has been noticed in the Town
24 Clerk ' s office and bulletin board . And I
25 also have a receipt that this has been
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1 noticed in the Time ' s Review and Suffolk
2 Times , and that ' s it .
3 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Would
4 anybody like to address the Town Board on
5 this --
6 MS . SPIRO : Sure . Melissa Spiro,
7 Land Preservation Coordinator . I am really
8 glad to be here tonight as part of the
9 efforts to preserve this property . In June,
10 conditional final approval was granted for 7
11 lot full yield residential subdivision .
12 Neighbors and others from the greater
13 community got together and worked with the
14 Peconic Land Trust to raise substantial
15 funds to facilitate the preservation of the
16 property . A component of the ( inaudible ) is
17 in the Town ' s purchase of development
18 right ' s easement for Ag purposes on part of
19 the property . The Peconic Land Trust is in
20 contract with the current land owner,
21 Koehler Family Limited Partnership to
22 purchase the entire property . And after the
23 conclusion of this hearing, the Town will
24 execute a contract with the Peconic Land
25 Trust as contract vendee to purchase the
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1 development rights on about 11 . 9 acres give
2 or take . The map in front shows the
3 property and area to be preserved is in
4 green . The development area of about two
5 acres , including ( inaudible ) Creek frontage
6 has been excused from the development rights
7 purchase . This area will remain attached to
8 and be prohibited from being subdivided from
9 the areas subject to the development rights
10 easement . The development rights is -- is a
11 little bit hard to see on the map . The
12 property as it exist today encumbered upon
13 an existing access easement from New Suffolk
14 Avenue to a separate residential property
15 also fronting on DeBolt Creek . A second
16 area, a strip of land, belongs to
17 ( inaudible ) Marratuka Road, shown in pink .
18 Hard to see . It ' s on the south side of the
19 property . It ' s also being excluded from the
20 development rights easement area to allow
21 for the potential relocation of this access
22 easement . The exact width and shape of this
23 access strip is still under review . It may
24 change slightly from that shown on the map .
25 The exact dimensions of the area will be
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1 determined when we get a surveyor . We thank
2 the current land owner for giving the trust
3 and Town and the community the opportunity
4 to preserve this property . Holly Sanford of
5 the Peconic Land Trust has been working
6 non-stop to make this happen . And I thank
7 her for her hard and persistence to all
8 aspects of this effort . The combined
9 efforts of the Trust and the community and
10 the Town, have made this project on a
11 somewhat smaller parcel an area not totally
12 surrounded by agriculture work .
13 Preservation in place of the 7 lot
14 residential subdivision contributes to
15 quality of DeBolt Creek, preserving farmland
16 and preserving the community character of
17 this specific area . As noted in the hearing
18 notice, the Town ' s purchase of community
19 preservation funds and as ( inaudible ) of
20 $ 69, 000 an acre . The Land Preservation
21 Committee and I both support this
22 acquisition as its presented and recommend
23 that the Town Board proceed with the
24 acquisition . I am here to answer any
25 questions if you have any .
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1 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Would
2 anybody like to address the Town Board on
3 this particular Local Law?
4 MS . SANFORD : Good evening . This is
5 Holly Sanford, resident of Southold Town . I
6 am here on behalf of Peconic Land Trust to
7 voice our strong support for this
8 acquisition . The Peconic Land Trust has
9 been fortunate to work with the Koehler
10 Family and local residents on this important
11 community based preservation project located
12 on DeBolt Creek in Mattituck . Initially
13 just 11 months ago by a handful of concerned
14 citizens , this conservation project quickly
15 changed momentum by grassroots efforts ,
16 which now boasts over 102 donors and
17 supporters throughout the North Fork . We ' re
18 so appreciative to the Koehler Family for
19 allowing is to explore the potential
20 protection for this property . Especially
21 helping obtain all of the necessary
22 approvals for a 7 lot subdivision . A
23 process that took the Koehler ' s almost 8
24 years . In addition, we would like to thank
25 them for agreeing to lower the sale price,
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1 which reduced our overall costs and
2 represents a substantial commitment to
3 community . The Trusts also wants to thank
4 the Southold Town Board, Planning Department
5 and Land Preservation Department for their
6 work on this conservation opportunity .
7 Particularly Melissa Spiro for her work with
8 the Land Preservation Committee and her
9 availability to resolve matters and move
10 this project along . Our thanks go out to
11 Supervisor Russell and the entire Board to
12 their commitment towards conservation .
13 Peconic Land Trust looks forward to future
14 similar collaborations and land owners , the
15 community and the Town to protect North Fork
16 Land and vital quality now and for future
17 generations .
18 UNKNOWN FEMALE : I have Dellaquila on
19 Zoom. Please state your --
20 MS . DELLAQUILA: Good evening
21 everybody . Am I able to talk now?
22 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Yes . We
23 just need a name and the hamlet for the
24 record?
25 MS . DELLAQUILA: My name is Denise
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1 Dellaquila and I live in Mattituck, New
2 York .
3 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank you .
4 MS . DELLAQUILA: As a member of the
5 North Fork community, I want to thank the
6 Town Board for protecting what was once a
7 community farm. Initially this was an
8 unlikely conservation project but you, the
9 Board, responded to the communities mind to
10 protect this . I support the purchase of
11 development rights on the property because I
12 believe it is important to maintain farm
13 land and community character throughout
14 Southold Town . And thank you from the
15 bottom of my heart and from every single
16 person on the North Fork for taking action
17 to preserve this action . Thank you . Thank
18 you . Thank you . Bravo . Bravo . Bravo .
19 Thank you so much .
20 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank you .
21 Is there anyone else that would also like to
22 address the Town Board on this --
23 MS . MCCALL : Hi . My name is Carolyn
24 McCall and I live in Cutchogue . And I want
25 to add to the Bravo ' s and the thank you ' s .
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1 We have worked so hard to preserve those
2 parcel and it would not be possible without
3 your support through the community
4 preservation fund . So I am so very deeply
5 grateful to all of you . And I want to thank
6 you and add to those bravo ' s .
7 MS . STRONG : Hi . Good evening . This
8 is Joni Strong and I am from Mattituck . I
9 wanted to thank the Board for their interest
10 in protecting the integrity of the North
11 Fork . Having lived on the South Fork for
12 over 25 years , I watched the decline of
13 public land, public safe and farm land, and
14 I am so proud to be a member of a community
15 with a Board that is keeping their eye on
16 what is important in the community . I know
17 this project was originally an unlikely
18 preservation project . I believe that -- for
19 several reasons , which I won ' t go into but I
20 just wanted to say I so appreciate what
21 you ' re doing and I know the community will
22 appreciate it and the public trust will keep
23 its integrity . So thank you again for all
24 that you have done .
25 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank you .
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1 Is there anybody in the room that would like
2 to comment on this particular --
3 MR . MCCARTHY : Yes . Tommy McCarthy,
4 Southold . I am familiar with the project .
5 I did not come here to speak about the
6 property but I am glad to see it ' s on the
7 agenda . To Holly ' s point and to Melissa ' s
8 point before, there is about 8 years of
9 development into this property . And I was i
10 charge of 7 of those years and looking into
11 the water and development work with the
12 agencies and Board ' s in Town . And there was
13 consistent feedback about preservation all
14 along . And I will say that the Planning
15 Board when they got it, they were very
16 cognizant and how it was going to be
17 developed under the existing rights of the
18 owner . So the Planning Board really didn ' t
19 their job ( inaudible ) with that being said,
20 I am certainly at the point of preservation .
21 And even though we worked on it for many
22 years , I am very happy to see it preserved
23 because it ' s a really beautiful piece of
24 farmland . I commend everyone who got it to
25 this point . Congratulations .
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1 UNKNOWN FEMALE : We have one more
2 hand raised at the Zoom. I am not sure of
3 your name . It ' s under your e-mail address .
4 Please state your name and hamlet you are
5 from?
6 MS . RUSSAN : Good evening . I am
7 sorry about that . My name is Michelle
8 Russan and I live in North Fork . On behalf
9 of the North Fork Civic Association, I want
10 to thank the Southold Town Board for
11 protecting a very special parcel on the
12 North Fork . We ( inaudible ) effort to
13 purchase the development rights of this
14 beautiful piece of land . We believe in
15 preservation and your actions in the
16 interest of community character, deserves
17 our ( inaudible ) and gratitude . Thank you .
18 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank you .
19 UNKNOWN FEMALE : And I have Carolyn
20 LoCastro .
21 MS . LOCASTRO : Hi . I just wanted to
22 reiterate that there was a huge effort and
23 it ' s wonderful that the Town is responding
24 so wonderfully to the preservation of the
25 land in our area . I am from Mattituck . I
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1 live near the parcel . And I have always
2 admired that open vista . And I am thrilled
3 that it ' s going to maintain its character
4 and everyone ' s efforts . So thank you very
5 much .
6 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank you .
7 All right . I am going to ask anybody in the
8 room, would anybody like to comment on this
9 particular Local Law -- sorry, Public
10 Hearing? Anybody else in Zoom Land?
11 UNKNOWN FEMALE : Nobody else on Zoom.
12 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Motion to
13 close the hearing .
14 COUNCILMAN ROBERT GHOSIO : Second .
15 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : All in
16 favor?
17 COUNCILWOMAN SARAH NAPPA: Aye .
18 COUNCILMAN JAMES DINIZIO JR . : Aye .
19 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
20 COUNCILMAN ROBERT GHOSIO : Aye .
21 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
22 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Aye .
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24 CHAPTER 280 .
25 COUNCILMAN ROBERT GHOSIO : Notice is
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1 hereby given here has been presented to the
2 Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
3 County, New York, on the 19th day of October,
4 2021 , a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
5 relation to Amendments to Chapters 280- 13 ,
6 280-17 , 280-38 , 280-41 , 280-44 , 48 , 58 and
7 62 , each entitled Use Regulations " And
8 Notice is Hereby Further Given that the Town
9 Board of the Town of Southold will hold a
10 public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at
11 Southold Town Hall , 53095 Main Road in
12 Southold, New York, on the 30th day of
13 November, 2021 at 7 : 02 P .M . , at which time
14 all interested persons will be given an
15 opportunity to be heard . And I will read a
16 summary on this as well .
17 The proposed Local Law for which a
18 Public Hearing is being held this evening
19 proposes to amend several sections of 280 of
20 the Town Code entitled, Zoning . The purpose
21 of the amendment is to address issues of
22 conversion existing space into apartments ,
23 as well as , conversion and expansion space
24 for the same purpose . Existing if the
25 amendments were adopted, would amend several
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1 sections of 280 to establish or amend
2 several ( inaudible ) with regard to the
3 creation of apartments in several zoning .
4 The proposed Local Law is available for
5 review in the Town Clerk ' s office and the
6 Town ' s Clerk website . I do have a notarized
7 affidavit that this was in fact notarized on
8 the Town Clerk ' s bulletin board and website .
9 I have a copy of the legal notice that this
10 was advertised and noticed in the New London
11 Day, as well as , the Suffolk Times . And it
12 was posted on the Fisher ' sIsland . net
13 website, and we have a letter from the
14 County of Suffolk . I believe this is the
15 Peconic Planning and Development, that
16 pursuant to Planning Commission, that there
17 is county wide ( inaudible ) and impacts and a
18 decision of local determination should not
19 be considered as an approval or disapproval .
20 And I do have a memorandum from the Planning
21 Board office, that I believe outlines some
22 -- a few concerns that we discussed at the
23 work session this morning but it was in
24 support of what we were trying to do . That
25 is all I have .
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1 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Is there
2 anybody that would like to address the Town
3 Board?
4 MS . MOORE : Patricia Moore, as a
5 local attorney . Someone who often times has
6 to review the code for clients that are
7 interested in providing affordable housing .
8 One is a question, when I was reading the
9 Local Law, it wasn ' t clear on how it was
10 described . Throughout the code it lists it
11 as a permitted use and a permanent use .
12 Bill , can you explain why it ' s in both
13 places?
14 MR . DUFFY : If you ' re converting a
15 building without expanding it, it ' s a
16 permitted use . If you ' re converting a
17 building and expanding a building, then it ' s
18 a special permitted use .
19 MS . MOORE : Okay . Thank you . I did
20 not catch that difference . Thank you very
21 much . So my other point is , I am generally
22 in favor of this , but I am observing from
23 clients that are looking to do this kind of
24 thing, what they ' re faced with, is the cost
25 of first building out a building . That it
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1 might be a commercial building because
2 ( inaudible ) but they ' re not suitable to
3 redesign for the apartments . So in general ,
4 the whole plan makes more sense, get rid of
5 the whole building . Some instances , they ' re
6 somewhat delipidated and build a new
7 building . But what they ' re facing is , they
8 have to first build a building, get a
9 Certificate of Occupancy from the building .
10 Then come back and ask to put the apartments
11 in the building . That creates not only
12 logical bureaucracy and just a lengthy
13 process , it ' s a tremendous amount of
14 expenses . Here is somebody who really wants
15 to provide for affordable housing . The
16 property is suitable . It meets all the
17 criteria . And what they are having to do is
18 build an entire building . And as you know,
19 when you ' re building something, you want to
20 frame out the plumbing, the electric, the
21 heating, for whatever use you ' re planning to
22 run . And what is happening is , essentially
23 they ' re going to be doing the whole project
24 twice . That is not conducive to providing
25 affordable housing . While I know you ' re
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1 trying to focus on existing buildings , I
2 think you should leave the possibility of
3 building a new building for the purposes of
4 apartments . The area within the zone is
5 quite restricted . It ' s a small area when
6 you ' re looking for properties to convert .
7 To build on . There are not that many . Some
8 development rights were sold . There are not
9 that many properties . There are not that
10 many people interested in committing to
11 affordable programs . So I really -- it ' s a
12 frustrating process to go through twice . We
13 have that in the accessory apartments for
14 family in accessory buildings . Where
15 clients have to build their frame . Don ' t do
16 anything . Send away their contractors . Get
17 their C of O ' s . Then come in and put in an
18 apartment for their member . It ' s a
19 tremendous burden and very consuming and
20 expensive process . It ' s not the way we
21 encourage affordable housing -- discourage
22 of affordable housing . So I would ask that
23 you please consider that when you ' re
24 adopting legislation . Thank you .
25 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Anybody
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1 else like to comment on this particular
2 Local Law?
3 I do think we had some discussions .
4 That is probably going to make some changes
5 of the law that would have to be a bit
6 substantial . And we we ' ll certainly have to
7 have another Public Hearing . So certainly
8 any input you would like to put in tonight
9 can be factored in as we seek to redraft
10 some of the components .
11 MS . MOORE : Thank you .
12 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Yes , Tom?
13 MR . MCCARTHY : Tom McCarthy,
14 Southold . I want to echo Pat ' s comments and
15 reiterate them. I think that the code
16 evolves over time and doesn ' t see a clear
17 path as things are amended, as we go . So if
18 we add to her point, the ability to have
19 these permitted apartments from the get-go,
20 conversion and expansion, I think would be a
21 streamline process . And I am presently in
22 the throw ' s of the accessory apartment snafu
23 with you . I have to go for a Special
24 Exception as storage or unfinished space .
25 Then go back in order to have standing in
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1 front of the Zoning Board for the Special
2 Exception use . I think things moving
3 forward, the New Year, perhaps the Board
4 would be open to some suggestions in
5 streamlining that . It ' s very expansive and
6 you don ' t have an answer . Even though it ' s
7 this ( inaudible ) building, you don ' t have an
8 answer until the approval . The Zoning Board
9 for the Special Exception . Even though
10 you ' re putting out a tremendous investment
11 with the hopes of you will be able to obtain
12 a special permit . Pat did a great job
13 there . And I would echo that for allowing a
14 permitted use on the grounds . ( Inaudible )
15 definitions of demolition in the Town Code,
16 if you take down more than 500 , you may be
17 in a demolition circumstance, where this
18 might not apply in the effort to create
19 affordable housing . So you are caught in
20 the middle if it ' s not a specific
21 conversion .
22 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I think
23 part of this was to remove a lot of special
24 exception requirements on the zone and go as
25 a matter of right . Again, some discussion
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1 might add to the process because some of
2 this might impact the process . So there is
3 -- but we do want to look as a matter of
4 right . If there is a ground interest, apply
5 for a HAZ ( sic) which would allow you to do
6 those things .
7 MR . MCCARTHY : I think that is a good
8 idea . Certainly something that is good . I
9 think it makes a cleaner path . And if
10 you ' re trying to encourage someone to invest
11 in the community, and I believe as making it
12 as accomplishable as possible . If you had
13 to go HAZ , it ' s just another step along the
14 way . You may have additional density on
15 your building . You may say I have a retail
16 store and I have enough land area or perhaps
17 you can build a whole new slue of affordable
18 apartments in this , but this legislation as
19 drafted, doesn ' t give us -- you know, some
20 difficulties .
21 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : You know,
22 flooding zones are recognized as a planning
23 tool throughout the State of New York .
24 Certainly, you know, the test of time .
25 Again, if you want to go ground up -- I have
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1 to remember, part of the goals here were to
2 -- compelling of what we thought were goals ,
3 was to use vacant commercial inventory out
4 there . You have to remember, this law only
5 requires that you maintain affordable
6 apartments for 8 years . ( Inaudible ) you lose
7 the right to apartments . That is the quid
8 pro quo . After 8 years you can still keep
9 them, but they have to be affordable once
10 you keep them. I think there is a public
11 misunderstanding . I think the idea was to
12 accomplish two goals . Under invested in and
13 vacant inventory . And that was part of what
14 we wanted to do at the time . If we go from
15 ground up, that is something to consider .
16 But at the end of the day, what are you
17 building? A commercial building or an
18 apartment building? If you ' re building an
19 apartment building, then you just committed
20 yourself, in terms of construction, you
21 basically committed yourself to an
22 apartment, you know, building . So the HAZ
23 zone is a cleaner way to go .
24 MR . MCCARTHY : I understand . I would
25 just encourage the Board to look at perhaps
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1 another tool in the tool box, because you
2 may have the ability say in the Hamlet
3 Business Zoning Category ( inaudible ) , 10 , 000
4 feet per use or per structure . So you can
5 quite conceivably have a retail store front
6 and have some available land behind and this
7 legislation, all well meaning, but doesn ' t
8 allow that applicant to go and have a
9 detached structure away from the commercial
10 structure to a garden apartment that is
11 affordable . So to just think about it in
12 that regard, it may be a little more
13 accomplishable and get the boots on the
14 ground .
15 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : We will
16 bring that into the discussion . Like I
17 said, we ' re going to make revisions and have
18 a new hearing .
19 COUNCILMAN ROBERT GHOSIO : It ' s a
20 good point . I hadn ' t thought of that
21 either .
22 COUNCILMAN JAMES DINIZIO JR . : It ' s a
23 good point . People don ' t realize, what
24 you ' re doing is basically say, this is in
25 the code . But it has to be existing and you
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1 know, you ' re saying someone can build
2 something and couldn ' t put the plumbing in
3 because they couldn ' t get the CO if they
4 wanted to . Sheetrock and insulate and put
5 the plumbing . That doesn ' t --
6 MR . MCCARTHY : -- make sense in any
7 way . Jim to that point, that would be an
8 accessory apartment to an accessory
9 structure . So that it has evolved into the
10 years that we allow -- you can ' t build it
11 with an accessory apartment in it as a
12 right . You have to get the CO and then go
13 back for the special exception . So that is
14 where it becomes costly .
15 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : If we just
16 bundle those together . So you can go for
17 the accessory apartment and the accessory
18 structure, subject to ZBA approval?
19 MR . MCCARTHY : Yeah . You don ' t have
20 standing to go to the ZBA, as the code is
21 written, unless you have a Certificate -
22 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : -- if we
23 change the code and give you that path .
24 MS . MOORE : That certainly makes it
25 at least there .
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1 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : That is an
2 issue that we will take up separate . We
3 will try to get this issue done first and
4 then that is something to talk about .
5 MR . MCCARTHY : Thank you .
6 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Just to go
7 back to the accessory apartments . There was
8 a paragon shift . In fact, we drafted that .
9 At the time it was to allow residential use
10 in the structures . And that was never
11 allowed previous . But one of the things
12 that we tried to do was to say, look, we
13 don ' t really want construction . We don ' t
14 want -- we don ' t want people creating family
15 compounds in all these things and addressing
16 the affordable housing goals . That is why
17 we put in there that you had to have an
18 existing garage . It didn ' t change it
19 because I think the garage has to be before
20 a certain date . We tried to loosen it quite
21 a bit, you know, but again, one of those
22 attempts at the time was to say, look, we ' re
23 going in a very new direction here . So
24 let ' s put some governors in place . So it
25 doesn ' t become, I have 3 acres , I am going
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1 to build 4 or 5 separate structures because
2 I have 3 , 4 or 5 family members . Then it
3 becomes a family compound . Certainly
4 something very difficult for us to manage .
5 MR . MCCARTHY : Understood . And I
6 have watched that code evolve over the past
7 20 to 30 years and had a voice with yourself
8 and others at the dais . And I think that
9 word has reacted and led the way to be an
10 instrument of change as we needed it . And
11 we need it more now, which is really
12 important . And one thing that I would like
13 to add, is that in order for some of these
14 things to ( inaudible ) that we create a clear
15 path, if possible, for any affordable
16 housing . Some of the buildings may be over
17 density for Suffolk County Article VI . So
18 if there is a clear path or paper put
19 together for the applicants , that could
20 reach out to the Board and say that, I would
21 love to do this to a new building and put in
22 2 or 3 affordable apartments in the downtown
23 level , where we want to do it, but we can ' t
24 do it because we ' re handcuffed at the County
25 level . And the Town being the resolutory
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1 affordable housing credits , I think if they
2 were to reach out to the County or just
3 create something for a streamline process to
4 be able to give or whatever the thoughts is ,
5 these things have to come hand and hand for
6 this to work in the hamlet .
7 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Right now
8 you can come to the Town and acquire the
9 credits . You can purchase them. I am not
10 sure --
11 MR . MCCARTHY : Perhaps it ' s not known
12 by all .
13 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : So it ' s an
14 outreach . Okay .
15 MR . MCCARTHY : I think so . Outreach
16 is a great word for it . But I think there
17 are some people that look at the code and
18 not necessarily know . If they look at one
19 chapter, maybe this is an accomplished goal
20 or not . I think all of us as community
21 members want to see units on the ground and
22 the more education we have to the applicants
23 and the more than we can share to the Health
24 Department, I think is one issue . Stop sign
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1 County . If we can make that a yield sign --
2 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I know . I
3 have spent hours and hours talking to the
4 two Walter ' s up there . And I am sure you
5 know the two that you have dealt with . We
6 have made a lot of headway, thanks to
7 Michael Collins and his persistence . So we
8 have made a lot of headway with the County .
9 But the County, no doubt, they ' re a big red
10 stop sign . It ' s a little bit different than
11 they use to .
12 MR . MCCARTHY : I think that is great .
13 Again, get this on the ground . It ' s going
14 to be a partnership with the County and
15 perhaps something even with the Building
16 Department .
17 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Good idea .
18 MR . MCCARTHY : I think we can get the
19 ground running .
20 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Thank you .
21 Anybody else like to address the Board on --
22 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I do want
23 to thank Tom and Pat for coming out and
24 voicing their opinions on this . When we
25 redo the code, we ' re not in the field on
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2 taking the time to come .
3 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : I want to
4 thank you too, because I know you both are
5 so shy .
6 Anybody else?
7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I will
8 make a motion to close the hearing .
9 COUNCILMAN ROBERT GHOSIO : Second .
10 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : All in
11 favor?
12 COUNCILWOMAN SARAH NAPPA: Aye .
13 COUNCILMAN JAMES DINIZIO JR . : Aye .
14 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye .
15 COUNCILMAN ROBERT GHOSIO : Aye .
16 JUSTICE LOUISA EVANS : Aye .
17 SUPERVISOR SCOTT RUSSELL : Aye .
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1 C E R T I F I C A T I O N
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4 I, JESSICA DILALLO, a Court Reporter
5 and Notary Public, for and within the State
6 of New York, do hereby certify:
7 THAT the above and foregoing contains a
8 true and correct transcription of the
9 Public Hearing held on November 30, 2021 ,
10 via videoconference, and were transcribed by
11 me.
12 I further certify that I am not
13 related to any of the parties to this
14 action by blood or by marriage and that I
15 am in no way interested in the outcome of
16 this matter.
17 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have
18 hereunto set my hand this 30th day of
19 November, 2021 .
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