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Eric Sepenoski Southold, New York 11971
Liz Gillooly
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Minutes JUN 1 7 2022
Wednesday, May 18, 2022
Outh01d Town Clerk
5:30 PM
Present Were: Glenn Goldsmith, President
A. Nicholas Krupski,_Trustee
Eric Sepenoski, Trustee
Liz Gillooly, Trustee
Elizabeth Peeples, Trustee
Elizabeth Cantrell, Senior Clerk Typist
Lori Hulse, Board Counsel
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Good evening. Welcome to our Wednesday, May 18th, 2022
Trustee meeting. At this time I would like to call the meeting to order and ask that you
please stand for the pledge of allegiance.
(PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS RECITED).
We'll start off the meeting by announcing the people on the dais. To my left we have
Trustee Krupski, Trustee Sepenoski, Trustee Gillooly and Trustee Peeples. To my right
we have Attorney to Town Trustees Lori Hulse. We have Senior Clerk typist Elizabeth
Cantrell. With us tonight is Court Stenographer Wayne Galante, and from the
Conservation Advisory Council we have John Stein and Inga Van Eiysden.
Agendas for tonight's meeting are posted out in the hallway and also on the
Town website. We do have a number of postponements tonight.
The postponements are on the agenda page six, number 5, Michael Kimack on
behalf of SOUTHOLD SUNSETS, LLC requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal
Erosion Permit for the as-built above ground 500 gallon propane tank (30"x8', 20sq.ft.);
as-built raised wood platform for AC unit and electrical for I/A system (3'x9', 27sq.ft.) on
east side of dwelling; as-built on grade dry laid slate patio and walkway on north and
east sides of dwelling (±677sq.ft.); as-built partial concrete walkway with added dry laid
slate walkway with landing (±100sq.ft.) along west side of dwelling; as-built Belgian
block surround for gravel driveway (±140 linear feet) along south and east sides of
dwelling; as-built gravel driveway (±635sq.ft.) Along south side of dwelling; as-built
outdoor shower with 4'x4' wood floor (16sq.ft.) Adjacent to east side of main staircase
against deck surround; remove existing much surrounding planted vegetation; remove
existing fire pit; 8'x12.2' (97.6sq.ft.) Shed has been removed and not replaced; wood
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walkway along portion of easterly side of dwelling has been removed and not replaced;
and to expand approved area of planting American Beach grass to cover all additional
areas approved @ 18" on center.
Located: 4200 Kenney's Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-54-4-3, has been postponed.
Page ten, numbers 19, 20 and 21; page eleven, numbers 22 through 24; page12,
number 25 through 28; and page 13 number 29 through 33. They are listed as follows:
Number 19, Raymond Nemschick, AIA on behalf of ROGER SIEJKA
requests a Wetland Permit to construct a two-story,
single-family dwelling with a basement; first floor is 24'5" wide by 50'0"
deep; front porch is 11'0" wide, 67' deep; rear veranda (deck) is 24'5"
wide by 10' deep; and overall max height is 32'3".
Located: 955 Blossom Bend, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-115-6-22
Number 20, Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of JOHN COSENZA
requests a Wetland Permit to establish and perpetually maintain
a Non-Disturbance area seaward of the top of bluff with existing
vegetation to remain natural with selective hand pruning in
order to maintain view shed; establish and perpetually maintain
a 10' wide Non-Turf Buffer at top of bluff planted with ground
cover with a mix of native grasses and native species; remove
existing flagpole; remove existing 4'1" high stone retaining
wall to allow natural slopes to be regraded and place 2'x3'
natural boulders stacked to maintain natural grade; install new
6" high by 7' wide natural split face bluestone slabs placed at
grade for steps (two steps 7'6'W"), and following the natural
grade; regrade to establish natural slopes; curbs along natural
grade, each curb 1' high split face bluestone curb and 4" wide
with 6" steps embedded in the slope, 5 curbs in total, each curb
along elevation 79 is 6 linear feet, curb at elevation 78 is 24
linear feet, curb at elevation 77 is 34 linear feet, curb at
elevation 76 is 42 linear feet, and lowest curb at elevation 75
is 24 linear feet; 10' and 50 linear feet of existing section of
retaining wall along easterly property line to be repaired,
alternating flag stone steps (3'x3') and 3'x6' (26 steps in
total); regrade east side yard of property for placement of
pathway with 3'x3' flagstone pavers and 3'x6', 26 pavers stone
pavers set into the slope and level with the retaining wall
(grade rising from elevation 66 to elevation 72 on north); plant
slope with new native species along east side of property; along
west side of property plant native trees and vegetation to
thicken existing vegetation, 26 stone pavers walkway (3'x3'
stones) to existing beach access; at 70' from top of bluff
replace existing terrace and expand existing stone terrace
(total size 700sq.ft.); and repair existing concrete block wall
on west side of property line; in front yard install a new
gravel parking area with Belgian block curb to match driveway.
Located: 1700 Hyatt Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-50-1-5
Number 21, BRIDGET CLARK requests a Wetland Permit for the
existing 20'3"x22'4" (452sq.ft.) detached garage and to convert
it into an accessory apartment by replacing existing windows,
exterior door, add plumbing to connect to existing septic, and
install a wall mounted electric heating unit.
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Located: 7825 Soundview Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-59-6-15
Number 22, Michael Kimack on behalf of NUNNAKOMA WATERS
ASSOCIATION, INC. requests a Wetland Permit to perform work on
the property located at 645 Wampum Way (1000-87-2-42.3),
consisting of installing 235 linear feet of Shore Guard 9900
vinyl hybrid low-sill bulkhead with helical supports installed
at discretion of contractor; restore approximately 200 linear
feet of eroded bank with 90-100 cubic yards of sand recovered
from storm deposit area; install filter fabric (±1,600sq.ft.),
and plant American Beach grass @ 18" on center(±1,200 plants)
over restored bank area; construct storm water concrete
diversion swale (10'x43', 430sq.ft.)With rip-rap runoff area
(10'x20', 200sq.ft.), consisting of 50-150 Ib. stones set on
filter fabric; the storm washed sand area is to be restored to
the original grade line and the removed sand (90-100 cubic
yards) is to be used on site to restore the eroded bank area; on
all three properties, dredge a portion of Moyle Cove to deepen
channel in three (3) areas, AA, BB and CC to a depth of-4.00ft.
(Approx. 365 cubic yards), and area DD to a depth of-3.00ft.
(Approx. 85 cubic yards), for a total dredging of approximately
450 cubic yards; the dredge spoils is proposed to be spread on
the two Sauer properties (255 Wigwam Way, SCTM# 1000-87-2-40.1 &
175 Wigwam Way, SCTM# 1000-87-2-40.2), in an area of
approximately 8,000 sq.ft. and to a depth of approximately
1.5ft.; the dredged spoils placement area will be surrounded by
a silt fence with hay bales to be kept in place and maintained
until the spoils are de-watered.
Located: 645 Wampum Way, 255 Wigwam Way & 175 Wigwam Way, Southold.
SCTM#s 1000-87-2-42.3, 1000-87-2-40.1 & 1000-87.-2-40.2
Number 23, Nigel R. Williamson on behalf of JOSEPH &
DEBORAH POLIDORA requests a Wetland Permit to demolish existing
one-story entrance and construct a new 6'x24.6' one-story
entrance to dwelling with a basement under (same footprint);
construct a new 4.8'x8.9' enclosed addition connecting the
existing dwelling to existing 489.25sq.ft., 1.5 story garage;
construct a new 4.0'x10.5' covered entry porch; construct a
4.6'x4.6' outdoor shower (open to the sky); demolish existing
8.8'x24.4' seaward side covered porch and construct a new
18.67'x38.0' single-story addition with basement under and
4.0'x4.0' egress window; the total square footage of existing
and proposed dwelling habitable area is 1,682.58sq.ft.;
construct a new 383sq.ft. stone patio in between the new
addition and garage; remove existing cesspool and existing
boulder retaining wall closest to dwelling on seaward side,
install a new I/A OWTS system with a waterproofed 66.0' long
retaining wall with a 19' westerly return and a 17' easterly
return to retain the proposed I/A sanitary system; and create a
4.0' wide pervious access path with stepping stones to creek.
Located: 1055 Point Pleasant Road, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-114-1-1
Number 24, Michael Kimack on behalf of SOUTHOLD BAYHAVEN
PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION requests a Wetland Permit to remove
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approximately 150' of existing bulkhead, landing with staircase
and wood walkway; install approximately 166 linear feet of new
vinyl bulkhead with dead-men tie-backs; remove approximately
527sq.ft. of American Beach grass with approximately 85 cubic
yards of soil and approximately 20 linear feet of 12" PE
corrugated drain pipe, and replace with approximately 25 cubic
yards of beach sand to extend beach landward of easterly removed
existing bulkhead line; remove approximately 564sq.ft. of
American Beach grass in area seaward of easterly existing
bulkhead line'and replace with approximately 21 cubic yards of
beach sand (total beach grass removed is ±1,091sq.ft.); relocate
approximately 70 linear feet of 12" PE corrugated pipe which
proposed "V" rip-rap tapered swale runoff; construct new
replacement 4.5'x7' (31.5sq.ft.) Landing and 3'x24' (72sq.ft.)
wood walkway in same locations as existing; and establish new
American Beach grass planting area (±1,200sq.ft.) to replace
areas lost in kind.
Located: 975 Watersedge Way, Southold. SCTM# 1000-88-5-64
Number 25, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of SADIK HALIT LEGACY
TRUST requests a Wetland Permit for the as-built bluff stairs
consisting of the following: 4'x4' at-grade top landing to an
8,2'x9.5' upper platform to 18'x4' steps down to an 8'x3.8'
middle platform to 16'x4' steps down to a 19.4'x10' lower
platform to 14.5'x4' steps down to beach; all decking on
structure is of untreated lumber.
Located: 2200 Sound Drive, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-33-1-16
Number 26, Cole Environmental Services on behalf of SCOTT &
LEA VITRANO requests a Wetland Permit to remove existing pier
and float; construct a proposed 4'x14' landward ramp leading to
a 4'x35' fixed pier with Thru-Flow decking a minimum of 4' above
wetlands; a proposed 3'x12' metal ramp; and a 4'x20' floating
dock situated in a "T" configuration and secured by two (2) 8"
diameter piles.
Located: 3875 Main Bayview Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-78-2-15.1
Number 27, Cole Environmental Services on behalf of JUSTIN
&ALLISON SCHWARTZ requests a Wetland Permit to construct a
proposed 4'x165' fixed pier with open grate decking a minimum of
4' above tidal vegetative grade; a 3'x16' aluminum ramp; a
6'x20' floating dock situated in an "T" configuration; and to
install a natural path leading from upland to fixed pier using
permeable material.
Located: 2793 Cox Neck Road, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-113-8-7.6
Number 28, Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of
JOSEPH & MARY ELLEN LOGIUDICE request a Wetland Permit to
construct a 4'x40' landward ramp onto a 4'x110' fixed dock with
a 4'x40' "L" section at seaward end; construct a 4'x40' lower
platform with a 5'x4' access platform and a 4'x16' ramp; install
three (3) two-pile dolphins; and proved water and electrical
service to dock.
Located: 10995 North Bayview Road, Southold.
SCTM# 1000-79-5-20.14
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Number 29, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of ANTHONY& BEATRICE
FALCONE requests a Wetland Permit to install a proposed 4'x6'
cantilevered platform off of bulkhead; a 30" wide by 14' long
aluminum ramp; and a 6'x20' floating dock supported with two (2)
10" diameter CCA piles and situated parallel to the bulkhead.
Located: 405 Williamsberg Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-78-5-17
Number 30, Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of
FOUNDERS LANDING BOATYARD, LLC requests a Wetland Permit for a
Ten (10) Year Maintenance Dredge Permit to dredge a 2,400sq.ft.
Area to -7.0' below mean low water, removing approximately 240
cubic yards of spoil; dredge spoils to be trucked off site to an
approved disposal site.
Located: 2700 Hobart Road & 1000 Terry Lane, Southold; SCTM#s
1000-64-3-10 & 1000-64-3-11
Number 31, Michael Kimack on behalf of TIMOTHY J. &
GINAMARIE STUMP requests a Wetland Permit to construct
approximately 315 linear feet of hybrid low sill bulkhead;
backfill with approximately 100 cubic yards of course clean sand
just below lowered sheathings; maintain approximately 2 '/2 to 1
slope from top of sloughed bank and then flat to bulkhead;
install approximately 3,200sq.ft. of filter fabric over
disturbed area and fasten with 8" galvanized pins; plant
Spartina alterniflora to high water mark and then Spartina
patens to undisturbed line @ one (1) foot on-center (±3,200
plants).
Located: 2200 Minnehaha Boulevard,Southold. SCTM# 1000-87-3-61
Number 32, Michael Kimack on behalf of JANICE HILLMAN
SITYLES a/k/a JANICE HILLMAN REVOCABLE TRUST requests a Wetland
Permit to construct a 4'x18' walkway with a staircase consisting
of three (3) treads and four(4) risers with Thru-Flow decking
(72sq.ft.), connected to a 4'x24' fixed dock with Thru-Flow
decking (96sq.ft.), 168sq.ft. Total; and to install 14 - 8"
diameter pilings.
Located: 8340 Main Bayview Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-87-5-23.2
Number 33, Michael Kimack on behalf of MARIA H. PILE
requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 36.0'x34.7'
(1,249.2sq.ft.) Two-story dwelling on foundation in accordance
with FEMA standards for a AE zone; and a pervious driveway.
Located: 420 Lake Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-59-1-21.2
Under Town Code Chapter 275-8(c), files were officially
closed seven days ago. Submission of any paperwork after that
date may result in a delay of the processing of the
applications.
I. NEXT FIELD INSPECTION:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: At this time I'll make a motion hold our next field
inspection on Wednesday, June 18th, 2022, at 8:00 AM.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
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II NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to hold our next Trustee
meeting Wednesday, June 15th, 2022, at 5:30 PM, at Town Hall
Main Meeting Hall.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
111 WORK SESSIONS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I make a motion to hold our next work
sessions Monday, June 13th, 2022, at 5:00 PM, at the Town Hall
Annex 2nd floor Executive Board Room, and on Wednesday, June
15th, 5:00 PM at the Town Hall Main Meeting Hall.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
IV. MINUTES:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I make a motion to approve the Minutes of the
April 13th, 2022 meeting.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
V. MONTHLY REPORT:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: The Trustees monthly report for April 2022.
A check for$6,470.35 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office
for the General Fund monthly report
VI. PUBLIC NOTICES:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Public notices posted on the Town Clerk's
Bulletin Board for review.
VII. STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEWS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: RESOLVED that the Board of Trustees of the Town of
Southold hereby finds that the following applications more fully described in Section X
Public Hearings Section of the Trustee agenda dated Wednesday, May 18, 2022 are
classified as Type II Actions pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations, and are not
subject to further review under SEQRA: As written.
Monroe R. & Beverly Sonnenborn SCTM# 1000-54-4-5
Orient Light, LLC SCTM# 1000-130-1-1.3
Cameron Dowe & Megan Strecker 1000-90-1-5
Robins Island Holdings, LLC, c/o Belvedere Property Management
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SCTM# 1000-117-8-20 & 1000-117-8-21
Slattery Nassau Point Trust- SCTM# 1000-111-2-6
Birch Hills Property Owners Association, Inc. - SCTM# 1000-83-1-4
Marlene J. Rutkin - SCTM# 1000-90-3-6
Christine Howley - SCTM# 1000-144-5-29.3
James B. Given 111 2012 Irrevocable Trust- SCTM# 1000-117-3-4.1
Bernard Telsey - SCTM# 1000-117-3-12
Thomas C. & Susan S. Meriam - SCTM# 1000-115-11-26
Palmer& Nan E. Schade - SCTM# 1000-63-7-36
Elias Dagher- SCTM# 1000-77-2-6
Gardiners Bay Estates Homeowners Association SCTM#1000-37-4-17 & 1000-37-1-23
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
VIII. RESOLUTIONS -ADMINISTRATIVE PERMITS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Roman numeral VIII, Resolutions,
Administrative Permits.
In order to simplify our meeting Trustees regularly group
together applications that are similar or minor in nature. As
such, I'll make a motion to approve numbers 2 through 4 and 6.
They are listed as follows:
Number 2, ADF VENTURES LLC requests an Administrative
Permit to install an on-grade 16'x32' bluestone paver patio off
existing wood deck/steps, utilizing 2'x2' pavers with 6" of
grass separating each paver.
Located: 17877 Soundview Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-51-1-4
Number 3, SCHOENSANG PROPERTIES LLC requests an
Administrative Permit to trench a line to install new electric
line from pole to pole; install electric panel.
Located: 700 Robinson Road, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-34-5-17
Number 4, RACHEL LEVIN requests an Administrative Permit to
replace existing fencing which runs from north to south with
approximately 65' of 4' high fencing (vinyl or metal); and to
replace existing fencing which runs east to west on the south
with 25' of 4' high fencing (vinyl or metal), and plant sea
grass along fence (east) perimeter.
Located: 58625 C.R. 48, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-44-2-18
Number 6, LINDA MOELLER & DAVID MCMILLEN request an
Administrative Permit to construct a 4'x6' landing with three
steps (10"x6') on the southerly side of premises.
Located: 3600 Little Neck Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-103-9-13.3
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 1, CLAIRE & DAVID AIR request an
Administrative Permit for repairs to existing 16'x22'deck with
new stainless steel cable horizontal railing system, and stairs
approximately 42"wide.
Located: 855 Sound View Road, Orient. SCTM# 1000-15-3-11.1
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The LWRP found this application to be inconsistent.
The inconsistency is the as-built structure was constructed
without Board of Trustee review or permit.
As such, I will make a motion to approve this application
as submitted, thereby granting it a permit will bring it into
consistency with the LWRP.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 5, Zackery E. Nicholson, AIA on behalf
of MICHAEL GIACONE requests an Administrative Permit to demolish
and construct new 10'x23'4" wooden deck; and construct a
3'11"x9'4" front porch with a 5'wide staircase.
Located: 270 Park Avenue Ext., Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-123-8-27
This also was inconsistent. The inconsistency is the
as-built structures were constructed without Board of Review
permit.
As such, I'll make a motion to approve this application
with the following condition: That any beach grass that is
disturbed during construction be relocated and replanted, and
thereby granting it a permit will bring it into consistency with
the LWRP.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
IX. APPLICATIONS FOR EXTENSIONS/TRANSFERS/ADMINISTRATIVE
AMENDMENTS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Roman numeral IX, applications for
Extensions/Transfers/Administrative amendments. Again, in order
simplify our meeting, I would like to group together and approve
as a group Items 1 through 3, 5 through 7 and number 10. They
are listed as follows:
Number 1, Abigail A. Wickham, Esq., on behalf of STEVEN
RABINOWITZ requests a Transfer of Wetland Permit#9818 from
Kevin M. Murphy to Steven Rabinowitz, as issued on February 17,
2021 and Amended on September 15, 2021.
Located: 3265 Park Avenue, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-123-8-22.4
Number 2, CHARLES &JANET TIRANNO requests a Transfer of
Wetland Permit#6032 from Leslie Barney & Sean Olsen to Charles
&Janet Tiranno, as issued on November 17, 2004, and Amended on
October 19, 2005.
Located: 1075 Smith Drive North, Southold. SCTM# 1000-76-2-1
Number 3, Martin D. Finnegan on behalf of RICHARD JUNG &
JEAN JUNG requests a Transfer of Wetland Permit#2251, as issued
on January 29, 1987 from Tor& Joan Torkelsen to Richard Jung &
Jean Jung.
Located: 3675 Wells Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-4-4
Number 5, ERGA, LLC requests a Transfer of Wetland Permit
#369 from Donald Leslie to ERGA, LLC as issued on September 2,
Board of Trustees 9 May 18, 2022
1986, and Amended on August 26,'1998; for a Transfer of Wetland
Permit#5-88-34-5-3 from David Merz to ERGA, LLC, as issued on
April 29, 1989.
Located: 980 Robinsons Road, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-34-5-13
Number 6, ERGA, LLC requests an Administrative Amendment to
create one new Wetland Permit superseding Wetland Permit#369
and Wetland Permit#5-88-34-5-3 for the existing 31.6' x 17'
deck attached to dwelling, existing ±6' wide by 87 linear foot
long rock revetment, existing 4' x 22' wood catwalk with a 3' x
13' ramp, a 6' x 36' floating dock, a 6'x85' floating dock, a
10' x 10' floating dock, and three (3) tie-off piles.
Located: 980 Robinsons Road, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-34-5-13
Number 7, Bill Gorman on behalf of LYNETTE & ROBERT KRUEGER
requests an Administrative Amendment to Wetland Permit#10031 to
install an I/A septic system.
Located: 4375 Stillwater Avenue, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-137-3-3.1
Number 10, Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of HARRY BASHIAN
& HAYKUHI BASHIAN requests an Administrative Amendment to
Wetland Permit#9420 and Coastal Erosion Permit#10132C for the
as-built 34.4' long bulkhead with wood cap/deck on west property
line, then running north 64.1', then running 48.2' along the
east property line with a wood cap/deck; as-built±4' high wood
fence 44.4' in length along the west property line to the south
property line, then running 64.1' along the edge of the cap of
the wood bulkhead, then running 58' along the east property line
with a 15.3' long wood fence on the west with a gate and an
11.8' long wood fence on the east side with agate; existing
61 sq.ft. second floor balcony; existing seaward side 557.1 sq.ft
deck area in lieu of 10'x36.5' deck supported by five (5) 10"
diameter pilings with westerly side of deck cantilevered over
bulkhead; existing 5'x8' front entry stoop; existing air
conditioning unit on west side of dwelling; and the as-built
6.9' long stairs to beach on west side to be removed.
Located: 58425 North Road, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-44-2-15
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 4, Martin D. Finnegan on behalf of
RUBBER DONUT LLC requests a Transfer of Wetland Permit#66, as
issued on February 2, 1982 from Walter Silbernagel to Rubber
Donut LLC.
Located: 530 Broadwaters Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-104-10-4
Trustee Krupski conducted a field inspection May 14th,
noting that the existing dock does not comply with what was permitted.
As such, I will make a motion to deny this application.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 8, Barbara Schnitzler on behalf of
Board of Trustees 10 May 18, 2022
JANE G. WEILAND requests an Administrative Amendment to Wetland
Permit#9807 to allow the existing Zoysia grass at the top of
the bluff to remain intact, in lieu of removing same to plant
the required 10' non-turf buffer with native plantings.
Located: 6485 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-111-13-11
Trustee Krupski conducted a field inspection on this one,
dated May 14th, noting that the original permit was requiring a
vegetated non-turf buffer, and is currently just zoysia grass at the top.
So I'll make a motion to deny this application to get a --
in lieu of having a vegetated non-turf buffer. Because the
application does not have the non-turf buffer that was initially
required, I make a motion to deny this application.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 9, AMP Architecture on behalf of
PHILIP & LIA CHASEN requests an Administrative Amendment to
Wetland Permit#10095 to increase the square footage of the
proposed pool patio to 2245sq. ft., in lieu of the previously
approved pool patio (1,850sq.ft.).
Located: 1585 Long Creek Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-55-7-3
This one we have been to numerous times. We adjusted this
permit and granted a patio in its existing permitted condition,
so therefore there is no need to extend the permit any further
seaward than existing.
Therefore, I will make a motion to deny this application.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
X. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Roman numeral X, Public Hearings, at
this time I'll make a motion to go off our regular meeting agenda and enter
into public hearings.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: This is a public hearing in the matter of the
following applications for permits under the Wetland Ordinance
of the Town of Southold. I have an affidavit of publication from
Suffolk Times. Pertinent correspondence may be read prior to
asking for comments from the public. Please keep your comments
organized and brief. Five minute or less if possible.
WETLAND & COASTAL EROSION PERMITS:
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Under Wetland and Coastal Erosion permits, number 1,
Patricia Moore, Esq., on behalf of MONROE R. & BEVERLY SONNENBORN
Board of Trustees 11 May 18, 2022
requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit for the existing
28.1'x45.2' dwelling; reconstruct existing 435sq.ft. deck,,new deck railing with
cables and from deck a 4' wide stair to a 4'x4' landing to a 4'wide stair to grade;
replace existing 4"x4" support posts with 6'x6" support posts; convert existing
193sq.ft. Screened-in porch to a living space by adding insulated walls and new
windows; install a 5'x12' enclosed elevator with a 175sq.ft. deck with railings for
handicap access on landward side of dwelling; for the existing 12'x8' shed; existing
4' wide wood walks on grade to 3' wide wood walk on grade to beach; and existing
3.7'x5.9'vinyl storage locker on wood platform against 4'wide wood walk.
Located: 305 North Sea Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-54-4-5
The Trustees most recently reviewed the application on the 10th of May and
noted there should be a condition of non-turf on the entire property; that it is essentially a
dunal habitat.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be inconsistent. The as-built structures did
not receive a Wetland or Coastal Erosion Hazard Area permit. Portions of the existing
residential structure are located seaward of the coastal erosion hazard line. Structures
located within the structural hazard areas are subject to a loss and damage from storm
surges, are not consistent with Policy 4.
The Conservation Advisory Council supports the application with hay bales and
silt fencing in place during construction. It should also be noted that I am in receipt of
new plans stamped received by the office May 16th, noting that the entire property be
established and maintained as non-turf buffer area.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding the application?
MS. MOORE: Yes. Patricia Moore, on behalf of the Sonnenborn family. This is a
pretty straightforward application. The house was relocated in the '90's from being
very close to the water to where it presently is. All of--everything that was there got a
DEC permit but it predates the Trustees permit. So we are bringing everything into
conformity with LWRP by making this application, including everything that is existing
as well as what is proposed.
And really the only new structure is an elevator on the front of the house to make the
house handicap accessible. And the existing porch will be made part of the house.
And yes, we did make the entire property non-turf. It is what it is now. And
the owners don't plan to make any changes to it. Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else here wishing to speak
regarding this application, or any additional comments from members of the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close the hearing in this application.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to approve the Wetlands Permit
for this application with the plan stamped received by the
office May 5th, 2022, with the condition that all the property
is left in its natural state and as a non-turf buffer.
That's my motion.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to deny the Coastal Erosion
Permit for this application, as a significant amount of structure is across the
line and therefore would need to be appealed to the Town Board
Board of Trustees 12 May 18, 2022
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 2, Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of
LEVENT TEMIZ requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion
Permit for the existing (2,317sq.ft.) two-story dwelling with
attached garage and to construct a new 155sq.ft. addition onto
the center of the dwelling on the seaward side with a
second-floor terrace above; for the existing 11.4'x4.1' storage
room under existing stairs on west side of dwelling; existing
927sq.ft. swimming pool; for the existing 90' of pool fencing
along seaward side of deck, 75' along east side, and 75' along
west side with 15' to the dwelling with gates; existing decking
around and seaward of pool is in part above grade and at grade
and is to be modified by resurfacing the 830sq.ft. seaward
portion of decking with existing structure to remain
undisturbed, and existing portion of deck around pool is being
replace with a 2,302 stone patio on granular base and permeable
joints on grade which includes a 4' expansion on the west side
of patio; expand existing 81 sq.ft. wood deck on westerly side of
dwelling an additional 195sq.ft. For a total 276sq.ft. and
install a 7'10"x9'2" hot tub on deck; resurface existing
42sq.ft. easterly side deck; and for the existing 70sq.ft.
landing leading to 4'x20' stairs to beach.
Located: 57305 County Road 48, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-44-2-3
The Trustees most recently visited the site May 10th, 2022.
Notes from that visit read: We will review documents further at
work session.
We are also in receipt of plans stamped April 13th, 2022.
The LWRP in February 14th, 2022, found this project to be
inconsistent. The inconsistency stems from the existing wood
deck and bench in the CEHA area to be resurfaced. It is
recommended as inconsistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved not to support
the application because a portion of the deck is located within
the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area. The beach stairs should have
removable, retractable stairs at the base. And the Conservation
Advisory Council questions the maintenance of the deck being
exempt from CEHA.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. MOORE: Well, I'm continuing from the prior hearing. I think
I have given you as much written documentation, and I have
spoken, so we'll just proceed.And I'll listen. Thank you.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak
regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any members of the Board?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I just think that at our most recent site visit
review we discussed how the rest of the property on the seaward
side, aside from the built portion, should probably be non-turf.
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MS. MOORE: I'm not sure --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: On the seaward side of the house.
MS. MOORE: The seaward side of the house. You mean the entire
property?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No. Alongside the pool and then just seaward
of the deck, there is like, it's basically a bank. It's not
anywhere that you should put grass.
MS. MOORE: I'm not sure I'm following. We have vegetation that
is seaward of the existing structures, and on the east and west
side is permeable, just stone. So it's not, I mean to --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes. Just basically to remain as.
MS. MOORE: Okay, then it is what it is now. Got it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Does anyone else wish to speak regarding this
application?
(No response).
I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: A make a motion to approve this application
with the non-turf areas as discussed remaining. And that is my
motion.
(Perusing).
I'll briefly rescind my motion, just to address the concerns of the LWRP.
The LWRP concern stems from the resurfacing of the deck
within CEHA, but under Chapter 111 there is provisions for
normal maintenance which allows for periodic replacement and
repair of same kind of structure elements or protective coatings
as written in Chapter 111 of our code.
I remake the motion to approve this application, thereby
bringing it into consistency with the LWRP.
That is my motion.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Number 3, Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf
of ORIENT LIGHT, LLC requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit
to construct an 8' extension to the existing metal walkway; construct a 32"x12'
ramp onto a new 3'x40'fixed dock; install 6-10 rocks in void areas of the existing
rock foundation; install two 10" diameter piling on the west side of the entrance
next to the existing rock jetty; to permit the existing lighthouse with stone
foundation, the existing east and west jetties, the existing metal staircase supported
by a concrete base, the existing wood walkway, ramp, and metal walkway on a
concrete base.
Located: Plum Gut, Orient Point. SCTM# 1000-130-1-1.3
The Trustees conducted an inhouse review on May 10th, 2022,
noting that it appeared straightforward and will provide access to the property.
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support
this application.
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Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. COSTELLO: Hi. Jane Costello from Costello Marine. I'm the
agent for the applicant. If the Board has any specific questions, I'm happy
to help answer them.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Thank you.
Is there anyone else here wishing to speak regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to close this public hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to approve this application as
submitted.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Number 4, JMO Environmental Consulting on
behalf of W. HARBOR BUNGALOW, LLC, c/o CRAIG SCHULTZ requests a
Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit for the existing
6.5'x53' fixed dock with a 11'x11' fixed portion in an "L"
configuration; existing 3.5'x12' ramp and existing 8'x20'
floating dock; the 6.5'x53'fixed dock and 11'x11' fixed portion
in the "L" configuration to remain; remove existing ramp, float
and two piles and install a new 4'x20' ramp with rails and an
8'x18' floating dock situated in an "I" configuration secured by
four piles; and to install four tie-off piles.
Located: 371 Hedge Street, Fishers Island. SCTM# 1000-10-7-18
The Board visited Fishers Island and this site on May 15th
in the afternoon, and noted that the new proposed dock exceeds
the pier line.
The LWRP finds this inconsistent because, as noted, the
applicant has not provided information on whether sea grass,
including eel grass, occurs around the dock that could be impacted.
Pursuant to Chapter 268, the Board of Trustees shall
consider this recommendation in preparing its written
determination regarding the inconsistency of the proposed action.
The Conservation Advisory Council did not make an
inspection, therefore no recommendation was made.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak in regard to this
application?
MR. JUST: Good evening. Good evening, Glenn Just, JMO
Consulting, as agent for West Harbor Bungalow.
I just submitted a cover letter with some plans and some
distances that I just put together today.
I know you folks didn't have enough time to review what I
electronically sent over earlier. This just has to do with --
the pier line is defined as the average of length of docks in
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the area. You can see from my cover letter that I have gone, I
moved through the water, I looked at 350 feet to the north and
south of this site, measured all the docks, and this proposal
fits under the average length of the docks in the area, which is
defined as the pier code.
It also should be noted that at this point where this dock
is to be located, it's 370 feet just to the shoal on the
opposite side of West Harbor, not going all the way up to mean
low water, which normally measures, mean low water, mean low
water across a waterway. Again, this is something, again, you
don't have enough time to digest, it was just submitted. I just
wanted to bring it up.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Thank you.
MR. JUST: The dock all the way to the north there is 127 feet
long. The next one is 110 feet long. The next one is 103 feet
long. The next one is 112 feet long. The next one is 85 long.
And then to the south, you see is 40, 61 and 113.
So there is something, again, if you want to put it on
hold, I don't think there would be any problem with it unless
you want to discuss it further tonight.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Thank you, for sharing. This Board typically
looks at the adjacent, neighboring docks, meaning the one that
would be on either side of it. So while it's appreciated that
you provided all these lengths, typically we are looking at the
adjacent ones.
MR. JUST: I gave you all the distance to the docks in this
certain section of the West Harbor.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: That's appreciated. Thank you.
MR. JUST: We didn't really get a chance to really discuss it
when we were there at the end of the day. That was my fault.
But, again, I put these numbers together today and sent them
over.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak
in regard to this application?
(No response).
Are there any other questions from the Board?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Just that, Mr. Just, in light of the fact
that we do need the immediately adjacent docks as our pier line,
would you like to table this application at your request?
MR. JUST: I think that's best. Thank you.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Thank you. Is there anyone else here who wishes
to speak in regard to this application?
(No response).
Any other questions or comments?
(Negative response).
I'll make a motion to table this hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
WETLAND PERMITS:
Board of Trustees 16 May 18, 2022
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Wetland Permits, number 1, Patricia
Moore, Esq. on behalf of CAMERON DOWE & MEGAN STRECKER
requests a Wetland Permit to construct a proposed 18'x20' one-story
storage shed; and install a proposed 10' diameter drywell to
contain all roof runoff.
Located: 975 Cedar Point Drive West, Southold. SCTM# 1000-90-1-5
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council does not support the
application and requests clarification as to why the Board of
Trustees denied the previous application on January 25th, 2021.
The Conservation Advisory Council raised concerns about the
potential of commercial business being conducted on a
residential property and requested additional information on the
business and mixed uses of the property and what the New York
state DEC would regulate the storage of commercial equipment in
the proposed shed.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection. That's not
here. (Perusing). The Trustees conducted a field inspection May
10th, at the time noting that it was not staked. Trustee Peeples
went back and did review the stakes.
There is also a letter of support in the file here from the
neighbors, Mr. and Mrs. Bradley.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. MOORE: Yes, good evening. Patricia Moore behalf of the
owners of the property. I have Megan here with me in case there
are any particular questions that I can't answer, and I would
refer them to her.
This is somewhat of a straightforward request for a storage
shed. So, the fact that it is a home operation, the oyster farm
is a permitted use and it's operating on the property. This is
where they live. And this is also where she runs her oyster
farm business, all within the scope of the zoning that allows
the aquaculture to be done on the property.
Also there is multiple places in the code that allow this
use. It allows home occupation, it allows oyster farming. It's
no different than the bay men that work from home and they go
out with their boats and get the shells, the oysters or bay men,
and other things they get, clams and so on, and then they bring
it back to their home. So that is what has been going on here.
What we tried to do is, so as to assure the neighbor that
we were true to the promises that were made that have already
been implemented. They have been implemented for the past year.
Certain operational work on, as far as spraying and things like
that so as to not be, cause any trouble to the neighbor.
So things have been undertaken already. And what I did is
I included it in our amendment to the permit so it would be
clear that we are willing to do it, put, you know, put our
mouth, you know, state clearly that we are all in agreement to
operating as a good neighbor.
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I understand from our work session that some of the things
you felt were, didn't need to be part of your permit, that's
fine. We are willing to make them part of the permit, but if you
prefer that they not be, we'll take out whatever you feel
doesn't need to be in there.
We attached a landscape plan where the shed is located. We
have already agreed that we would add some cedar trees along the
property line to buffer the shed from the neighbor's view. And
there is already, the landscaping that is there is already, was
planted in anticipation of being where the neighbors.
So we are here to listen and respond to any questions you
might have.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you. I do have that planting plan that
you noted. The one thing that we discussed and I believe the
neighbors had addressed in a previous iteration was some eastern
red cedars between the proposed shed and the property line. It
looks like there are a few on this planting plan.
MS. MOORE: And there is one already there. And she would, once
the shed is in place, then she would plant additional cedars.
What we don't want to do is plant before the shed goes in
because things will just get damaged. So it's all in anticipation of--
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay. Because we had a number of
somewhere around eight, after the fact, between the neighboring and
the shed, which should supply sufficient screening and address the
neighbor's concerns.
MS. MOORE: You want eight or there are eight already?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: We want eight total.
MS. MOORE: You want eight. I mean, it's pretty shady over
there. I mean, you could start with very small ones and see how
they grow.
MS. STRECKER: My name is Megan Strecker. So there are a lot of
red cedars existing there, and they are kind of in small stands.
So there's like a set of three, a set of three, and then a set
of two. And we tried to locate the shed so we didn't have to cut
any of those down.
And looking, I assessed the area and because of, they do
provide a lot of shade already, I spaced them out enough so that
they get consistent sunlight so they don't shade each other out.
So, I have worked for a landscaper as one of my
occupations. I kind of am familiar with how logistical
plantings work. And I was going to strategically put them, one
was very, strategically put where there was open space where it
would be in the back side of the shed so it would cover the roof
and other parts of the structure so they hopefully can't see it
at all.
Then I think there was one more spot I could squeeze one in
but I really can't say for sure because it was, it would be
toward the bulkhead side where there are three other ones. If
there is enough space to fit it in there. If that makes any sense.
And then I was planning on putting native plants along the
catwalk to create more screening and sound buffer, and also
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along my neighbor's other fence area to the south side.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: As a point of clarification on the planting
plan dated May 16th, 2022, the red dots, is that existing or is
that proposed?
MS. STRECKER: The red dots are not existing. The green areas are
already existing. And there are, not all the trees are shown on
that survey colored in green, but you can see them, they are
little --
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Those little green circles?
MS. STRECKER: Yes.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay. So by this I only see one red "X"
denoting an eastern red cedar; is that correct?
MS. STRECKER: That is, because the other cedar, they are
significant in size, to the left, that really, the canopy is so
full that that is really the best spot for a big tree to go.
Otherwise they are going to shade each other out. If I can add
more to the left of that one, I will definitely do that.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I do have a question. On the site you had
marked trees with a band of red tape. Is that to remove or to --
MS. STRECKER: No, when we were going to move the shed further
back, that was the trees that we were going to have to cut down,
but trying not to.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: So those are going to remain, the ones that
have the band around them.
MS. STRECKER: Oh, yes, they are staying.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay, so that basically all of what is in the
file show trees that are going to remain then.
MS. MOORE: The whole reason the shed has been proposed in this
location is to limit the removal of any trees. So.
MS. STRECKER: And then the other side of the yard floods, so
that doesn't really help, so.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All right. Thank you.
Is there anyone else here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. BERGEN: Good evening Dave Bergen, representing Marianne and
Jim Bradley. They are the neighbors to the, immediately to the
east of the shed. Actually northeast, I believe, the one area
that we have been discussing already.
We do appreciate the Trustees bringing up the issue of
trees between this proposed shed and the Bradley's property, and
I understand completely that you don't want to plant something
that is going to die because there is too much shade or
whatever, but I would ask that we do additional plantings in
that area to do everything we can to try to create a buffer
between the shed because it is going to be an aquaculture
operation, which is very different from the normal shed like
that I might have in my backyard.
So anything we can do to increase the vegetated area
between the shed and the Bradley's would be greatly appreciated.
Because again, this is an aquaculture operation.
Now, we had also, as you know, you had received a revised
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description that had various points in it that we talked about
at the work session.. And I would just like to have stipulated on
the record here tonight the points that we had talked about.
And there are six items in particular.
One is to locate and store the oyster farming equipment
such as coolers, oyster storage, totes, cages, in the proposed
shed.
Second: Oyster shells will be stored in covered containers
until such time they are removed from the property. Because we
understand, and we fully support this, that they are looking to
donate these shells to SPAT or some other appropriate agency.
Minimize the power washing and oyster tumbler operations on
weekends.
Conduct operations of power washing two hours daily,
maximum, and conduct power washing mindful of wind direction and
potential over-spray toward the Bradley's property and dock.
Preserve existing vegetation as shown on the last plan, the
site plan dated 2/20/22 and plant additional cedar trees or
vegetation along the property line as depicted on the plan dated
5/13/22.
And the existing relocated tumbler, existing noise barrier
fence, to remain where it is.
We had, I believe, Mr. Goldsmith had said that you had
received for the record a letter of support from the Bradley's
for this application. That was a conditional letter of support,
conditioned upon these six points that I have stipulated to be
entered into the record tonight are agreed to by the applicants.
So if the applicants agree to those six points here and are
willing to do so on the record tonight, we would be very happy
to support this application.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you.
MS. MOORE: Yes, we certainly, we proposed it as a project
description and I double-checked and, no problem, we agree that
this is how we operate. So there will be a good record of what
was talked about, so.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Can you just confirm this is literally just
going to be a storage shed?
MS. MOORE: Literally, just a storage shed.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: And just one other thing, to potentially
address the shading or the screening, if possible, another
eastern red cedar or two to address the neighboring concerns. I
know there are some existing big trees and everything currently
there.
MS. MOORE: May I make a suggestion. Only because, I don't think
there is any opposition to putting the cedars if we need to do
that. Would it make sense that before the certificate of
compliance that when you take a look, if it needs those extra
trees. We have already given you the bare, you know, what we
are going to do. But if we need additional ones --there is no
problem with adding some, it's just I just hate to see us try to
jam a lot of vegetation that is not going to survive. But once
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the shed is in place, then you can kind of, the neighbors can
take a look and see, strategically, does it make sense, well
maybe where we have proposed doesn't make sense, it should be
moved over a little bit.
There is full agreement. They are going to be neighbors for
a very long time. And I am encouraged that they are certainly
prepared to cooperate. So it seems to me a better way of
dealing with it onsite and taking a look. And if you guys say,
or even if the Bradley's say, listen, could you add one or two
here, without the Board saying it, there is full agreement, so.
And you'll have a transcript of the hearing, so.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you. Is there anyone else here wishing
to speak regarding this application?
MR. BERGEN: Just to clarify again, we certainly don't want to
see something planted that is not going to survive in there. You
know, absolutely. So could we, rather than, we keep talking
about red cedars. Could be that there's arborvitaes or other
trees, shrubs, that can be planted in there that will serve the
purpose.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you. .Is there anyone else here wishing
to speak regarding this application?
MS. STRECKER: I just want to add, I am working with a landscape
designer to come up with a cohesive plan. So I do have
professional help.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you. Any other questions or comments
from the Board?
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I just would like to make a brief comment that
as a Trustee and an oyster farmer, I appreciate an application
where the applicant is wishing and would like to expand the
aquaculture industry in this town. Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you. Any other questions or comments?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I make a motion approve this application as
submitted with the condition that additional screening be added
as needed.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 2, J.M.O. Environmental Consulting on
behalf of ROBINS ISLAND HOLDINGS, LLC, c/o BELVEDERE PROPERTY
MANAGEMENT requests a Wetland Permit for a Ten (10) Year
Maintenance Dredging Permit to maintenance dredge an area
approximately 35'x450' to a depth of-6 feet; dredged area to
have 1:3 slopes; resultants spoil approximately 900 cubic yards
of sand will be temporarily deposited on site and then trucked away.
Located: 120 First Street &Town of Southold's Basin/Beach Area.
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SCTM# 1000-117-8-20 & 1000-117-8-21
The Trustees most recently visited the property and noted
that was a straightforward application.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be a consistent action.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the application.
The only question the LWRP had was what is being done with
the dredge material.
Is there anyone that wishes to speak to this application?
MR. JUST: Good evening. Glenn Just, as the agent for Belvedere.
Historically, the spoil has been set on the side to dry out
and the Town has taken it away to use for whatever purposes. But
that had been, I guess a Town dredging permit at one time. But
that's what's going to be done.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's something we can continue to do.
MR. JUST: We de-water at the site and then load it on trucks and
take it from the site.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Is there anyone else here that
wishes to speak to this application?
(No response).
Are there any comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to approve this
application, with the condition that the dredge spoil be
de-watered onsite and ability for the Town to use the material
as needed.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 3, Costello Marine Contracting Corp.
on behalf of FOUNDERS LANDING BOAT YARD, LLC requests a Wetland
Permit to reconstruct previously existing 24.5'x59' building #5
and 24.5'x34.5' building #6 that were destroyed by a fire on
6/10/2021.
Located: 1000 Terry Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-64-3-11
The Trustees most recently visited the site on May 10th,
2022. Notes from that visit read as follows: Looking for
information on structure that burnt down. Height, as requested.
Reviewed newly-submitted plans. Will discuss more at work
session. Those present, Nick, Eric, Gillooly and Peeples.
The Office of the Trustees received revised plans, stamped
May 6th, 2022, indicating the location of drywells as requested
in the last hearing. Those drywells will be containing roof runoff.
The LWRP, on April 5th, 2022, found the proposed action to
be consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support
the application when they reviewed the project last month, April
6th, 2022.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
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application.
MS. COSTELLO: Jane Costello. I am the owner of Founders Landing
Boat Yard, LLC.
So I think I answered the last two questions about the
height and putting in the drywells. If there are any other
questions that I can address, I would be more than happy to.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just for clarification, I didn't see -- I read
what we got from you. I didn't see the official height or even
an estimate or anything like that.
MS. COSTELLO: It's on the plans. So on the plans, the higher
part, because there are two roofs, right--
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes.
MS. COSTELLO: And there is distance between them, but the higher
part, the proposed height is 24-and-a-half feet. The lower part
is 22-and-a-half. Since we are raising it two feet, the
estimated original height is 22-and-a-half and 20-and-a-half.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So the estimated original of the building that
was existing --
MS. COSTELLO: 22-and=a-half and 20-and-a-half.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: That was proposed, not what was existing.
MS. COSTELLO: No, that's what we are estimating was the
existing.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'm sorry, the one that burnt down was 22.
feet?
MS. COSTELLO: Yes, the larger section was 22 feet. That was our
best estimate. There is no documented height to the building. So
we had to take photographs, and so that's what our engineer in
the letter said, um, as far as estimating the height from
photographs, some of them are very old photographs, but then we
take it and we had to put them into CAD and from there we kind
of estimated what the heights were. It was like the best guesstimate.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All right. Just to address the old height,
there is a building, that shed, that still exists on the corner
there, on Terry Lane, which is not, which did not burn down from
the fire. And from pictures, the old building, at least the
lower section, was basically the same height as that existing
red shed that still stands today. And I think we went out there
and measured it. It's like 14 feet.
MS. COSTELLO: Okay.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: You know, nowhere was it 22 or 24 from what
burned down. I think we were more like in the 14-foot range.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: We understand also that you are trying to
comply with the FEMA regulations that require you to raise to
the building four feet and --
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Was it two feet or four feet?
MS. COSTELLO: So they want it to be weatherproof and flood proof
to the eight-foot elevation. So what we did was we raised the
floor level two feet and then the concrete surround, if you
will, will go up an additional. But the floor will be sunk down.
So the whole perimeter of the building will be completely
waterproof and flood proof. And then at the doors we have to
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buy those flood shields and, but we are going to use garage
doors, we are going to use barn doors, we are going to use
carriage doors, and we indicate for that.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: So just reviewing our Minutes from last
month, which I thank the court stenographer for his diligence,
the testimony that you gave at that time was you just wanted to
replace the storage shed that you lost to the fire. Which is
something I completely support. You made a compelling case for
that. So the existing height, let's say is 15 to 17 feet, and
you are complying with FEMA regulations, would you be amenable
to a building that is somewhere in the, raise it four feet, so
we are talking 19 feet, somewhere in that range? 19 and 21
feet, the respective highs of those buildings?
MS. COSTELLO: Instead of 20 and --
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Instead of 24.6 and 22.6 respectively. The
higher being the 24-and-a-half foot, the taller section, and
22-and-a-half feet being the lower section.
MS. COSTELLO: So from what is on the paper now, you want me to
bring it down about four feet.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Yes. So it's more in line with what was
originally there. It would give you enough room for FEMA.
MS. COSTELLO: All right, let me take a look at this.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH:'Because the concept is if there was a 14 to
15-foot building that was there prior, and you want to replace
it but you need to go up another four feet due to FEMA
regulations, if you went up to 18 to 19 gives you what was there
prior to the fire.
MR. MAZZAFERRO: Hi, I'm Nick Mazzaferro, I'm the engineer that's
working with Costello on the project.
So you are asking to go from 22-and-a-half to
19-and-a-half, like three feet; is that what you said?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Relatively speaking, yes.
MR. MAZZAFERRO: What would you guys use for a reference point on
grade; the road or adjacent property or-- like right now we are
showing 24'6" above grade, and using grade elevation as plus
four. Are we good with that?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I would say the bulkhead is a pretty good
reference point.
MR. MAZZAFERRO: That's fine. I just wanted to know where we are
talking about. So we can establish the elevation at the bulkhead
and go there from. Because it's a point to, okay. So then the
overall building height would be -- so we are talk 22'6" above
the bulkhead at the high point. Roughly 19'6" above the bulkhead
for the lower one.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our rough math is 21, but I mean I personally
would be open to 22.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: That's fine.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's one opinion.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I'm sorry, to confirm, is that 22 feet the
lower height or the higher? Because it does step --
MR. MAZZAFERRO: That's the higher.
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TRUSTEE PEEPLES: 22 is the higher.
MR. MAZZAFERRO: And it would be the same step ratio.
MS. COSTELLO- All right. So I can revise the plans and I'll have
it brought down basically two feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: So is that 22'6" or 22'0"?
MS. COSTELLO: 22.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Okay, are there any other comments from
people in the room; anybody on the Board want to speak to this
application?
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I would like to just, due to the fact that this
is replacing an existing structure that is important for your
business and for the marina there, it is intended to be a
storage facility. So the one thing I would like to just
question, I notice that you have electricity in here.
Are there any other plans for plumbing or running water or
temperature controlling, kind of controlling --
MS. COSTELLO: No. it will be an unfinished building.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Thank you.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I have no one else who wants to speak to this
application. I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I make a motion to approve this application
with the new dimensions of 22 feet for the higher section of the
building and 19 for the lower section, maintaining the same
ratio the gentleman in the audience suggested, and stipulating
that there are no temperature controls, including AC and heat,
no septic connection and no water. That is my motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Thank you, for coming.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Number 4, Sea Tech, LLC on behalf of BARBARA
BODKIN requests a Wetland Permit to reconstruct in place 125
linear feet of timber/concrete bulkhead with new Navy style
vinyl bulkhead; construct two (2) 8' returns; remove and replace
existing landward 4.5' wide wood boardwalk, 70sq.ft. over-water
wood platform, and retaining walls as required; and to install
30 cubic yards of clean fill form an approved upland source.
Located: 610 Bayview Drive, East Marion. SCTM# 1000-37-5-2
The Trustees most recently conducted an inhouse review on
May 10th, noting, looking at the new plans and noting a
modification that seems appropriate. They did question the wood
platform as specified on the plans. Will that be thru-flow.
The LWRP reviewed this and found it to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support this
application.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
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application?
(No response)..
Any questions or comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think just to clarify, since there is no one
here to speak to the application. I think we should stipulate
that that bottom area be all thru-flow and any decking outside
of the existing bulkhead be thru-flow.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I agree with that motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Okay, I make a motion to close this hearing,
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL YES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to approve this application
with the new plans stamped received May 6th, 2022, with the
stipulation that the area labeled "wood platform" consists
solely of thru-flow decking.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Number 5, Twin Forks Permits on behalf of
LITTLE DUCKS REALTY, LLC requests a Wetland Permit to demolish
existing ±2,100sq.ft. dwelling with 366sq.ft. enclosed porch;
construct a proposed two-story dwelling further landward than
existing with a 2,341sq.ft. first floor area, a 3,132sq.ft.
second floor area, and a 1,002sq.ft. area over attached
953sq.ft. garage for a total GFA at 6,475sq.ft.; a proposed
404sq.ft. front covered porch; a proposed 583sq.ft. rear covered
porch; a proposed 52sq.ft. side covered porch; and a proposed
834sq.ft. second floor deck; construct a proposed 800sq.ft.
swimming pool; remove existing septic system on seaward side of
dwelling and install a new I/A septic system landward of
proposed dwelling; and to install and perpetually maintain a 10,
wide non-turf buffer along the landward edge of the bulkhead.
Located: 2095 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-104-13-3
The Trustees reviewed this inhouse on May 10th, and noted
that the new plans show a pool that has been pulled back. The
plans are stamped dated April 27th, 2022.
The LWRP finds this application consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to not support
this application due to the fact that the proposed pool setback
of 53 feet is not in compliance with Chapter 275.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak in regard to this
Application?
MS. POYER: Lisa Poyer, on behalf of the applicant.
As you mentioned, the revised plans were submitted to the
Board and it does show the proposed swimming pool meeting the
50-foot setback as the Board had previously requested. And the
residence is proposed in the same location as far as setback,
and it does conform with the pier line with the two adjacent
properties on either side of the property.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Yes, thank you. And, thank you, for including
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that pier line as well.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak in regard to this
application?
(No response).
Any other questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: With that, I make a motion to close this
hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I make a motion to approve this application
with the plans stamped dated April 27th, 2022. That is my
motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MS. POYER: Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 6, SLATTERY NASSAU POINT TRUST
requests a Wetland Permit to replace the existing 4'x16' set of
stairs; 12'x18' deck; and 4'x32'walk; deck and walk are 30" AGL.
Located: 460 West Cove Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-111-2-6
The LWRP did not do a report because we did not have a
survey.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to not support
the application because the size of the deck is not in
compliance with Chapter 275, and the application requires an
updated survey.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection May 10th, noting
that it's making the deck smaller than the existing. Also need
to clarify the survey issue.
We do have two letters in the file of support. One from the
neighbor Thomas Cornwell, as well as one from Alfonso
Martinez-Fonts, the President of the Nassau Point Property
Owners Association.
We do have a survey, stamped received May 17th, 2022,
however it is an old survey that does not show the current deck
or walkway.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. SLATTERY: Good evening. John Slattery. I'm the property
owner.
A little bit of history. Our house was built in 1966 by my
father and mother, and the land survey that you just referred to
was accomplished in 1974, when we split and sold off the
adjoining lots 273 that were to the north.
The structures that we are requesting to replace consist of
stairs, deck and a walk to the beach, and they were Building
Department permitted and built in April of 1975. Obviously the
1974 survey that you have predates the construction.
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In 47 years that the structures have been in place, they
have been ravaged by storms, high water on numerous occasions.
The stairs and walkway have been replaced and repairs have been
accomplished on several occasions.
At this point, we have an unsafe situation and desire to
rebuild or replace the structures using the current footprint of
the structures that exist today. Not going to move anything, no
bigger. As a matter of fact, smaller.
You have requested a survey showing the structures that are in
question. I requested a waiver of that requirement. I am here to
confirm that no such survey exists that would show what you are
looking for, and for me to go out and obtain such a survey is an
onerous cost. You are talking about significantly more than the
cost of the reconstruction we are talking about.
Please consider that we are not asking for a relocation or
enlargement. As a matter of fact, it is going to be smaller, as
I said. The footprint will remain as it has existed for 47
years.
As you know in our application for repair/replace the walk,
the stairs and the platform, we share with six of our neighbors
for your process. To my knowledge there has been no objections.
To alleviate any lingering concerns that you may have
regarding an incursion onto Mr. Cornwell's property to our east,
or the Landing Road/ Nassau Point right-of-way to the west, I
obtained letters of support from both parties. And I appreciate
your attention to this matter.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you, sir. Unfortunately, without a
survey, even one circa 1975 or newer, we cannot adequately
review this, nor could the LWRP perform his duties and review
this application for consistency or inconsistency. So
unfortunately until we have some sort of survey that shows what
is currently existing as far as direction/walkway, we will be
unable to proceed until we get something. Which is a requirement
under Town Code in processing the application.
MR. SLATTERY: I understand. But what do you mean by some sort of
survey?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: You said the deck was built in 1975. Normally
we require something within the last five years. If you could
come up with one from 1980 or whatever, that shows the
dimensions and the location of what exists then we could perhaps
waive the five-year requirement. But under normal circumstances
it's a requirement to have a survey that is 5-years old or newer
so that we can have the most recent relevant information.
MR. SLATTERY: So if I did nothing, we are left with a deck that
is rotting, stairs that are unsafe. The thing has been there for
47 years. It was permitted by this Town, by the Building
Department. And now you are calling for a survey of something
that has existed for 47 years. I don't understand why we just
can't use the existing footprint and say, Mr. Slattery, as long
as you stay within the existing footprint, you can replace it.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Because, Mr. Slattery, we have no proof of
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what that existing footprint is. We have zero documentation on
what currently exists. And without a permit, we have, legally
you are not allowed to work on it. So I know you said you worked
on it in the last however many years, but without a Trustee
permit, and I don't know if you even have a Building Department
permit to do work or modifications to the existing structure as
well.
So it's not Trustee permit that you'll need, you will also
need a Building.Department permit and most likely a DEC permit.
So, and unfortunately, like I said, without that survey to
document what is there, the dimensions, the distances, all that
kind of stuff, we can't move forward with this.
MR. SLATTERY: So we are going to table it; is that an option?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: That's an option until you get us a survey.
MR. SLATTERY: All right, let's do that. Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay. Is there anyone else here wishing to
speak regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I just believe that a survey, to look at it
in a different way, Mr. Slattery, a survey would in fact confirm
with our records what exists there. If we have a storm tomorrow
night that wipes out your existing structures, there is no way
to verify what currently exists.
MR. SLATTERY: I agree with that. I was just trying to avoid the
onerous cost of obtaining a survey.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Understandable.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: We appreciate that.
All right, seeing no further comments --
MS. HULSE: I just want to quickly advise, you also want to have
dimension on that survey included. So you want to make sure the
survey includes dimensions of the structures you are proposing.
MR. SLATTERY: Okay, thank you.
MS. HULSE: Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: At this time I'll make a motion to table this
application for submission of a current survey.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 7, Stephen Kiely, Esq. on behalf of 2500
SOUNDVIEW, LLC requests a Wetland Permit to install a proposed
10'10"x24'0" in-ground pool; install a proposed 282sq.ft. pool
patio to be connected to existing 271 sq.ft. patio; install a
drywell for pool backwash; install a pool equipment area; and
install 4' high pool enclosure fencing.
Located: 2500 Soundview Avenue, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-94-2-1.5
The Trustees most recently reviewed the application on the
10th of May and noted they would review the pool location at
work session, and that a planting plan has been submitted.
The brief history was that there was some clearing at this
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application during the first site inspection a month prior. I
am in receipt of new plans stamped received April 21st, 2022.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council supports the application
with the condition of the patio is not extended between the pool
and the pond.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. HULSE: Don't let us keep you, Mr. Kiely.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here that wishes to speak
regarding this application?
MR. KIELY: How are you. Which application is it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you have another application?
MR. KIELY: 2500, that's me. Stephen Kiely, for the applicant.
Just to give you a little update, I had court today on this
matter. As you are aware, a violation was issued for the
clearing. We pled guilty. We are paying a thousand-dollar fine
to put that to bed. Again, we take full responsibility for going
above and beyond.
And I believe Mr. Anderson has submitted a more robust
re-vegetation plan. And I was wondering if you guys had a chance
to review that and what your feeling is on it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Everyone in the room is aware we had a chance
to review that new planting plan. Not the people in the hall.
Is there anyone else here that wishes to speak regarding
this application?
(No response).
Or any additional comments from members of the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make motion to approve this application with
the new plans stamped received by the office April 21 st, 2022.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. KIELY: Thank you, very much.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 8, BIRCH HILLS PROPERTY OWNERS
ASSOCIATION, INC. requests a Wetland Permit to remove the large
cracked boulder that slid down the bluff and breached and
damaged the existing bulkhead by placing the cracked boulder on
the beach; repair±20' of damaged previously permitted retaining
timber wall; backfill behind repaired retaining wall; and plant
beach grass in repaired area.
Located: 355 Glen Court, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-83-1-4
The Board of Trustees most recent revisited the site on the
10th of May, 2022, during our field inspections. We noted that
the proposed actions were straightforward.
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
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And the Conservation Advisory Council supports the
application with the condition removal and relocation of the
boulder from the shoreline is in compliance with the New York
state DEC regulations.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. LUBANSKI: Good evening, my name is Carolyn Lubanski, and
I'm Vice-President of the Birch Hills Property Owners
Association. The president of our association, Dr. Barbara
Ripel, has been in receipt via e-mail, from the New York State
DEC, of a new permit effective April 21st, 2022, of which I have
a copy, and if I may, I would like to present it to you, the
Trustees, for your records.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Please.
All right, anyone else wish to speak to this application?
(No response).
Members of the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing no further comments, I make a motion to close this
hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I make a motion to approve this application
as submitted.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MS. LUBANSKI: I want to thank you very much. Have a good
evening.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: East End Pool King on behalf of KIERAN
COLLINGS requests a Wetland Permit to install a proposed 16'x32'
vinyl swimming pool with approximately 1,300sq.ft. at grade
patio; install pool enclosure fencing; install a drywell for
pool waste water; and install a pool equipment area.
Located: 3960 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-122-4-26.1
The Trustees most recently conducted an inhouse inspection
on May 1 Oth, noting that the comment from the previous month
still apply. Adjust pool to maximize distance from wetland, and
a ten-foot non-turf buffer was requested.
The LWRP reviewed this application and found it to be
consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to not
support this application as submitted.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. DEL VAGLIO: Good evening, I'm Jennifer Del Vaglio, I am the
agent representing Kieran Collings for this application.
I'm here to just kind of discuss and see how we can move
the project forward. I know that you are requesting.that we move
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the pool. There is not a lot of space to move the pool. On the
survey it indicates the field of leaching pools to the left, so
we really don't have a lot of movement that way.
The homeowner is willing to move the pool and shrink the
patio space between the house and the pool five feet, but his
concern of going any closer than that is with his children's
best interest. He doesn't want to the pool to be right on top of
that screened-in area. He also will amend the pool size and
shrink that to a 30, which would give us an additional seven
feet from the water's edge. So our furthest line would be 73
feet, and the other line on the lefthand side of the pool would
be at 58 feet.
Also, if you do a Google search on Ole Jule Lane road
you'll see there are approximately between six and nine,
depending how you run your line of pools on that inlet. And they
are ranging anywhere from, well, there was one, it must have
been pre-dated before anybody's code because it was like nine
feet on top of the bulkhead. But it ranges from 9'9"to the
other ones that was the furthest is 81". So if you go through
those pools and go by precedent, maybe you can take into
consideration that they would be kind of within the median of
distance from the bulkhead.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Can you state one more time what the
minimum distance would be from the western side of the pool? I
believe you said 58 feet; is that correct?
MS. DEL VAGLIO: Yes (Perusing).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: And have you discussed with the clients the
idea of turning the pool?
MS. DEL VAGLIO: I did.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: That was no go?
MS. DEL VAGLIO: Not really. Yes, and to confirm, on the west
side it would be 58 feet and on the, I guess south side, would
be 73 feet.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Okay, is there anyone else here wishing to
speak regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any other questions or comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Just that we would need new plans depicting
those new distances before we can move forward.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to table this application
pending new plans.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Number 10, Sean Walter, Esq. on behalf of
MARLENE J. RUTKIN requests a Wetland Permit to construct an
18'x36'x8' deep in-ground swimming pool with 1'wide coping;
existing 22.5'x30' slate patio to be repaired as necessary;
install 4' high pool enclosure fencing; install a drywell for
pool backwash; and a pool equipment area.
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Located: 800 Lakeside Drive North, Southold. SCTM# 1000-90-3-6.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection on May 10th, and
noted that the Trustees will review the permit history of this
site, and indicated it would be ideal for the pool fence to be
put landward of the split-rail fence.
The Trustees also noted in person that having a 15-foot
non-turf buffer that is landward of the existing post and rail
fence would be an ideal dimension, and that the proposed pool
fence, as I noted, would fit landward of that.
The LWRP found this application consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to not support
this application because the proposed swimming pool is located
within a flood zone, the tidal wetland data provided was
outdated, and the test hole data is inaccurate.
So based on the comments that were made during the field
inspection, we received an updated drawing stamped dated May
18th, 2022.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak in regard to this
application?
MR. WALTER: Sean Walter, for the applicant Marlene Rutkin. If I
can approach, I just have the original affidavits that I was not
able to get to you by 12 o'clock yesterday. But we did get you
copies. Thank you.
Sean Walter, 1938 Wading River-Manor Road, Wading River,
New York, for the applicant Marlene Rutkin.
I'm not sure I can add too much more to this. The slate
patio was constructed prior to my client purchasing the
property. They didn't realize this needed a Trustee permit, so
we are here for that. We are in support of-- I should ask Ms.
Cantrell, did you get the new plans, too. Two sets of new plans?
MS. CANTRELL: Yes.
MR. WALTER: Okay, so we are in support of the additional 15-feet
non-turf. We submitted those plans. And I don't have much else
to add. I don't know why the Conservation Advisory Council is
saying the test hole data is not correct because it was done
11/19/2021. But, that's on the plans.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay, thank you.
MR. WALTER: I can answer any questions if you have them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak
in regard to this application?
MR. STEIN: Yes. John Stein, Conservation Advisory Council
Just a clarification for the agent. We are more than aware it was
done on 11/19/2021 but the groundwater encountered, correct
me if I'm wrong, it's there, encountered surface grade water at 9.3.
The pool will be, I believe, eight-feet deep. It is through the flood
hazard area.
I believe that the agent or the applicant consulted the Building
Department, Mr. Verity, to see if there would be a necessity for
a.variance if this pool was built. It is a dedicated road. It is
not open to use as of right now. But my, our concern was you are
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putting a structure that is 26 feet from the existing road of
Lakeside Drive. In addition, the excavation that would be eight
feet, if that test hole, normally, the test hole instead of
being northwesterly, if I'm looking at this right, northeasterly
corner, would be a little bit centered more toward the house
where the improvements would be, and if the agent can just
clarify, the reason we were a little, more than concerned with
the 26 foot away from the existing dedicated street, in the
event, and you will have to go to the survey, those two other
lots were to be, and I'm referring to the lots on the
northeasterly section of the survey, I believe it's 5.1 and 6.1
that are adjacent to Lakeside Drive, if those lots were to be
improved or if they are about to be improved, they would
necessitate an ingress and egress, and then you.would have an
existing pool that is 26 feet away, and you are voting on this
assessment now. And that would in turn possibly put the Board as
a self-created impediment.
MR. WALTER: I can address that, if you wish. I spent probably
half hour on the phone with Mr. Verity, and this pool location
in fact fits 100% within the zoning code of the Town the
Southold as amended. And we went back and forth on it. But this
is actually fits, and with that road being as an open road.
So that is the distance that is required for a secondary
road pursuant to the code. And honestly that is, that would be
something for Mr. Verity to refer to the ZBA should it have to
be go to the ZBA. But we are pretty confident that it doesn't
have to go to the ZBA.
MR. STEIN: If I can follow-up. Is there a possibility that this
property is going to be necessitated to go to the Zoning Board
in the future?
MR. WALTER: No, not to my knowledge. There is no reason for it
to. That's why he we spoke to Mr. Verity in the beginning.
MR. STEIN: Okay.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just direct your comments to the Board, please.
Thank you.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Is there anyone else who wishes to speak?
(No response).
Any other questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Then I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I make a motion to approve this application
with the new plans stamped and dated May 18th, 2022, with the
conditions, noting on these plans, that they have referenced the
distance from the house to the proposed new post and rail fence,
and which also includes the pool fence as well. And that to
stipulate a saltwater pool.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
Board of Trustees 34 May 18, 2022
(ALL AYES).
MR. WALTER: Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 11, Richard Boyd, R.A. on behalf of
CHRISTINE HOWLEY requests a Wetland Permit to install a seaward
retaining wall 210 linear feet long and 46" high at the east
side of the property and 30' from the wetlands with a set of
stairs with landing (112sq.ft.); a second landward 58 linear
foot long and 26" high retaining wall at the south side of
dwelling; a 41 sq.ft. outdoor bbq area; and to add approximately
250 cubic yards of fill to raise the grade tapering from 0" to
18" at the perimeter of the dwelling.
Located:-320 Sailors Needle Road, Mattituck.
SCTM# 1000-144-5-29.3
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent. The inconsistency
is the applicant proposes increasing the grade by zero to 18
inches. How will the grade change affect adjacent properties
and site drainage. There is a concern about the proposed fill
and site drainage, the fill will raise the grade and there is no
indication on the file record that the adjacent properties would
not be impacted.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection May 10th, noting
the need to limit the height of retaining wall, as well as
expand the buffer and replant eastern red cedars as necessary.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. TALGAT: Ural Talgat, for Richard Boyd and Christine Howley.
I am the landscape architect, here to answer any questions you
may have.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So one of our, or our primary concern is the
height of the retaining wall. 46 inches and 26 inches. We would
like to see that retaining wall be no higher than 18 inches.
As well as we want a vegetated non-turf buffer seaward of
that 18-inch retaining wall. Also noting that there are stairs
or steps on the plans. Those can be no wider than four feet in width.
MR. TALGAT: One of the reasons why the retaining wall is as high
as it is, the house had to be raised because of groundwater
concerns during construction. We were in touch with DEC and they
gave us approval for that. So then when the house had to go up
higher, it put the steps that were planned for the house,
surrounding the house, also higher. So that made a grade from
the steps right at the line of setback from the water, right at
the line, and if we had to bring the grade up to meet those
steps, we would have a slope down toward the creek. So therefore
we had to raise that wall up higher so runoff, for the runoff,
rainwater runoff would not go into the creek. That's why we had
to raise it up that high.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay. So our concern is having a 46-inch high
retaining wall that close to the water, the wetland. It will
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also create a runoff issue. We'll have a waterfall effect right
adjacent to James Creek there.
MR. TALGAT: I think I also proposed to run drainage pipe along
the base of that wall to collect all of that water and pipe it
to drywells on the property
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay, it has not been the purview of this
Board to he allow a retaining wall 46 inches high, you know, for
numerous reasons. And I don't think that we are going to look to
start that now. 18-inch high should suffice, and then you can
slope the grade up to whatever section of the foundation is
adequate. And then adding that vegetated non-turf buffer
plantings seaward of that proposed 18-inch-retaining wall should
address any runoff concerns.
And then there was also, where it was flagged, there is
also some eastern red cedars that may be disturbed or, you know,
during the construction. We would definitely like to see those
replaced seaward of the proposed retaining wall.
MR. TALGAT: So you would like the eastern red cedars replaced
seaward of the retaining wall.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Yes. If removed. Only if removed. If during
construction you need to remove any of those eastern red cedars,
we would like to see a one-to-one replacement seaward of the
retaining wall.
MR. TALGAT: Okay.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Mr. Boyd, can you please clarify what the
piping is that is running down, we saw it on the patio area --
MR. TALGAT: I'm Ural Talgat, the landscape architect.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Okay.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Can you acknowledge what those pipes are?
There are numerous PVC pipes.
MR. TALGAT: They are for rainwater runoff from the roof coming
down. They'll be tied to the drywells on the property.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: It seems that there had been already gutters
and leaders to drywells in other locations. So these seem to be
additional --
MR. TALGAT: Yes. Additional runoff pipes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Which pipes are you calling the downspouts?
MR. TALGAT: The pipes that come out from on the waterside of the
house.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, what are they made out of?
MR. TALGAT: I believe PVC.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, what schedule?
MR. TALGAT: Schedule 80. Three-inch diameter, I believe.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We've looked at the roof drains. I don't know
if we have a picture to pull up here or not, but there was, I
believe, four-inch or three-inch roof drains that were very
apparent, and then there were two-inch, like Schedule 40 coming
out of the cement, which to me, I don't believe would be a roof
drain. There is like 20 of them. Or ten of them. So I don't
know if we are talking about the same drainage. That's the only
thing that's a little concerning for me, frankly, with the
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application.
MR. TALGAT: There is also drainage on the terrace right now,
that concrete patio there, is going to be raised pavers above
that, and all of that water is also going there, too. So I'm
sure there is some drainage for that.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I think it needs to be seen to be understood.
I believe this is a pretty unique situation where we have many
questions about these pipes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: These particular, those pipes wouldn't be for
patio runoff. They are going into the center of the house.
MR. TALGAT: They are going to the roof.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: They go into the wall, through the concrete
surface, up the wall into the roof area.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: And they are currently tied into drywells?
MR. TALGAT: Yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is that indicated on the current plans that we
have?
MR. TALGAT: Do we need to come up with a drawing showing those
pipes and where they go, so you have a better understanding of that?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Is there anyone else here wishing to speak
regarding this application?
(No response).
Any other questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(All ayes).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to approve this
application, with the following conditions: That the height of
any of the retaining walls proposed be no higher than 18 inches.
That vegetated, non-turf buffer be seaward of that retaining
wall. That any eastern red cedars that need to he removed during
construction have a one-to-one replacement seaward of the
proposed retaining wall. That the access steps to the dock be
limited to four foot in width. And that new plans be submitted
to show the drainage going to existing drywells. And by lowering
the height of the retaining wall and adding the vegetated
non-turf buffer it will bringing it into consistency with the
LWRP. That is my motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 12, En-Consultants on behalf of
JAMES B. GIVEN 1112012 IRREVOCABLE TRUST requests a Wetland
Permit to remove and replace in-place approximately 160 linear feet of
existing timber bulkhead with vinyl bulkhead, and backfill with
approximately 25 cubic yards of clean sandy fill to be trucked
in from an approved upland source; remove and replace in-kind
and in-place existing ±4'x4' cantilevered platform off bulkhead
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and ±3'x7' steps to beach.
Located: 199 Old Harbor Road, New Suffolk. SCTM# 1000-117-3-4.1
The Trustees most recently reviewed this application on the
10th of May and noted that it would be a straightforward
bulkhead replacement. But we would like an addition of a
ten-foot non-turf buffer. I'm in receipt of plans here showing
ten feet along the crest of the bluff. Stamped received May
18th, 2022.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be consistent. Just had
concern that the area be replanted with native plantings, that
is the backfilled area. The details of the planting spacing
density and survival are not shown on the plans or included in
the description. It is recommend that the backfilled area is
replanted to further Policy 6.
The Conservation Advisory Council supports the application
with a 15-foot non-turf buffer planted with native vegetation,
and the 3'x7' steps to the beach be retractable.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Yes. Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants, on behalf of
the applicant.
This is a straightforward bulkhead replacement application.
We did talk during field inspection about a ten-foot wide
non-turf buffer being established along the top of the bluff.
As Nick mentioned, I did submit plans for, revised plans
for the application noting the ten-foot buffer. And with
respect to the native vegetation along, adjacent to the bulkhead
itself, the plan notes do indicate in furtherance of Policy 6
that that area would continue to remain as a vegetated buffer
down along the, behind the bulkhead, to the extent that whatever
area is disturbed down there in connection with the bulkhead
reconstruction would then be planted with like native
vegetation, so that the condition stays as it is now. And the
owners have for years worked, as you can see., on the slope of
the bluff very hard to keep at that area well planted.
So we hope this plan matches with our conversations. I
don't really have anything else to add.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Is there anyone else here that
wishes to speak regarding this application?
(No response).
Are there any additional comments from the members of the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing no comments, I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to approve this application
with the new plans stamped received by the office May 18th,
2022, noting that the entire area disturbed during construction
will be revegetated with native species.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
Board of Trustees 38 May 18, 2022
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 13, En-Consultants on behalf of
BERNARD TELSEY requests a Wetland Permit to remove and replace
in-place approximately 50 linear feet of existing timber
bulkhead with vinyl bulkhead, and backfill with approximately 15
cubic yards of clean sandy fill to be trucked in from an
approved upland source; and remove and replace in-kind and
in-place existing ±10'x16' wood deck at grade level, a ±4'x5'
cantilevered platform off bulkhead, and ±3'x8' steps to beach.
Located: 465 Old Harbor Road (waterfront parcel at end of right
of way), New Suffolk. SCTM# 1000-117-3-12.
The Trustees most recently visited this site on May 10th
during field inspections. Trustee Krupski noted it is
straightforward, with a ten-foot non-disturbance buffer.
The LWRP memorandum states that the proposed action is
consistent with the policies and standards of its permit.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support
the application.
The Trustees office has been in receipt of new plans, well,
not new plans, but plans stamped March 30th, 2022.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak as part of this
Application?
MR. HERRMANN: Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on behalf of the
applicant.
This is basically a continuation of the application that we
just discussed for the Given Trust, and as I hopefully
articulated clearly enough with the resubmission for Given, we
would not be able to establish a non-turf buffer that could be
controlled by the owners and covenanted for this property
because their land actually doesn't extend far enough to the
west to encompass the top of the bluff. But that non-turf buffer
would in fact still be provided as a result of buffer that is
being provided to the Given property.
In other words based on, in short, the lawn that is behind the
top of the bluff is part of the Given lot, not part of this lot.
So basically you get your two-for-one buffer with the prior
application, and there would be no buffer associated with this
application, just due to the nature of the meets and bounds of
the property itself.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Appreciate that, and thank you for informing
the office with the letter explaining those points.
Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak to this
application?
(No response).
Is there anyone on-the Board who wishes to talk about the
application?
(Negative response).
Hearing no further comments, I make a motion to close the
hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
Board of Trustees 39 May 18, 2022
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I'll make a motion to approve the application
without the ten-foot, non-turf buffer. That's my motion,
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Number 14, En-Consultants on behalf of THOMAS
C. &SUSAN S. MERIAM requests a Wetland Permit to remove and
replace existing dock (including a 4'x14' catwalk, 3'x14' ramp,
and 5'x24'floating dock), with a new dock connected to water
and electricity, extended approximately 18' seaward and
consisting of a proposed 4'x91' fixed timber catwalk constructed
with open-grate decking; a 3'x14' ramp; and a 6'x20' floating
dock secured by two (2) 8" diameter pilings, situated in an "I"
configuration; and to remove existing stepping stones.
Located: 1335 Marratooka Road, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-115-11-26
The Trustees most recently conducted a field inspection May
10th, noting to remove fence closest to the wetland and let
re-naturalize.
I am in receipt of new plans stamped received May 18th,
2022, which depicts the changes that we were seeking.
The LWRP reviewed this application and found it to be
inconsistent. The dock was originally permitted in 1983. The
applicant fails to prove that the action meets the following
requirements as outlined in Chapter 275. Review and approval of
dock applications before issuing a permit for a dock structure,
shall consider whether the dock will have any of the following
effects: Whether the dock will cause degradation of surface
water quality and natural resources; whether the cumulative
impacts of a residential and commercial docks will change the
waterway or the environment, and whether alternate design,
construction, location of the dock will minimize the cumulative
impacts; and whether adequate utilities are available to boat
owners and/or operators for fueling, discharging waste and
rubbish, electrical service and water service.
In addition, Chapter 275 requires that the determination of
the length of the dock must include the dimensions of the
vessel, and the dimensions of the vessel are not specified.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support this
application with the condition the lighting is Dark Skies
compliant and the extension aligns with the existing direction
of the dock.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Yes. Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on behalf of
the applicant. As we had discussed at field inspection, back in
the '80s the Trustees had originally issued a permit for a dock
here at which time there was also a bulkhead present along with
now a naturalized edge of marsh, and over the years as that
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bulkhead deteriorated, the water depths had shallowed
considerably so that the inland end of the existing float is in
just 18 inches of water at mean low tide which of course is
below the water depth desired by both the Trustees and the state
DEC. And so as part of the replacement of the dock, which also
includes a landward extension of the existing catwalk, again,
there used to be basically a path that you would walk down to
the edge of the bulkhead and then walk on to the dock, and as
the Board can see now there is some stepping stones that were
placed down there and walking path basically goes through the
high marsh.
So basically to further both the consistency with standards
of Chapter 275 and the LWRP, the proposal here is to replace the
catwalk with one elevated four feet above the marsh, that would
extend entirely over the marsh back to the lawn, would be
constructed be open-grate decking, and would provide a single
point of access to the floating dock, and then allow that entire
area of high marsh to re-naturalize as requested.
To further that goal, the Board had requested that the low
lying section of wire fencing that is currently situated seaward
of the tidal wetland boundary be removed, and that those two
sections of fence effectively be replaced by a new section of
fence that would run just landward of the wetland boundary,
underneath the catwalk and ensure the natural restoration at
high marsh. And so the plans that you mentioned we submitted
show that exactly what the Board requested. And hopefully will
accomplish what the original application had and would be
furthered by Trustees request. And on the seaward side we are
basically just extending the dock out so the float sits in
navigable water depth, actually similar to the dock off to the
south which the Board permitted a couple of years ago. So it's
consistent in all ways with the navigational and other public
access concerns.
So hopefully with the revised plans we satisfied the
Board's requests and we hope to get your approval.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Thank you. Is there anyone else here wishing
to speak regarding this application?
(No response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to approve this application
with the new plans stamped received May 18th, 2022, thereby
bringing this application into consistency with the LWRP.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
Board of Trustees 41 May 18, 2022
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Number 15, En-Consultants on behalf of
PALMER & NAN E. SCHADE requests a Wetland Permit to remove
and replace existing dock (including 2'-3'x70' catwalk, and 6'x36' and
4'x24' floats), with a new dock connected to water and
electricity consisting of a 4'x93' fixed timber catwalk
constructed with open grate decking with two (2) 4'x6' steps for
beach access; the existing relocated 2.5'x16' aluminum ramp; and
a 6'x20'floating dock situated in an "L" configuration secured
by two (2) 8" diameter pilings, and adjusting existing 3'x10'
stair to dock if needed to align with new catwalk.
Located: 1385 Calves Neck Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-63-7-36
The Trustees conducted a field inspection on May 10th,
2022, and noted that the application was straightforward. The
plans are dated April 1 st, 2022, that we have on the files.
The LWRP found this application inconsistent. They noted
that a Wetland permit for a dock structure was issued in 1983
and in 1990, authorizing access to public waters. The applicant
fails to prove that the action meets the following requirements
as outlined in Chapter 275-11, Construction and Operation
Standards of the Southold Town Code.
They noted the review and approval of the dock application
deed before issuing a permit for dock structure, the Trustees
shall consider whether the dock will have any of,the following
harmful effects: Unduly interfere with the public use of
waterways for recreational activities and other water dependent
activities; whether the dock will cause degradation of surface
water quality and natural resources; whether the cumulative
impact of residential and commercial docks will change the
waterway or environment; whether the adequate facilities are
available to boat owners for fueling, et cetera.
In addition, Chapter 275 requires for the determination of
the length of the dock must include the dimensions of the
vessel. The dimensions of the vessel are not specified.
Pursuant to Chapter 268 the Board of Trustees shall consider
this recommendation in preparing its written determination
regarding the consistency of the proposed action.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application, noting that with the condition the lighting is Dark
Skies compliant, and the catwalk is constructed using thru-flow
decking and with a railing on one side.
Does anyone here wish to speak in regard to this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Thanks, Elizabeth. Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants,
on behalf of the applicant. Really the entire purpose of this
application is to replace an existing dock that is not
consistent, and always with the dock construction standards set
forth in Chapter 275 or the LWRP with one that is.
There was a permit issued for a smaller dock in 1983, which
from looking at aerial photographs, about 20 years or so ago,
became, sort of grew into what's out there now, which is a
series of floats, treated decking, et cetera. So we kind of
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attacked this as if it was a blank slate. You know, the way we
would design an application if there was no dock there. It's
going to be an elevated dock, constructed with open-grate
decking. It would have just one 6x20 float rather than multiple
floats. We elevated it above the intertidal marsh area, and
actually we would be cutting the length of the long existing
dock back to be consistent with the pier line and still have
sufficient water.
So with the design we are creating a dock that is
consistent with your dock construction standards and consistent
with the LWRP.
And all of that is laid out in our written application. And
with that we hope to get your approval.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Thank you. Anyone else?
(No response).
Any other questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing no further comments, I make a motion to close this
hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I make a motion to approve this application
therefore bringing it into, with this permit, therefore bringing
it into consistency with the LWRP. That is my motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 16, En-Consultants on behalf of
ELIAS DAGHER requests a Wetland Permit to remove existing wood
platform, walk and steps; construct a fixed timber dock with
water and electricity consisting of a 4'x74' fixed timber
catwalk constructed with open-grate decking; with two (2) 4'x6'
steps for beach access; a 3'x14' hinged ramp; and a 6'x20'
floating dock situated in a "T" configuration and secured by two
(2) 8" diameter pilings.
Located: 90 Oak Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-77-2-6
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent. The inconsistency
is whether the cumulative impact of the residential and
commercial dock will change the waterway or the environment, and
whether alternate design construction and location of the dock
will minimize cumulative impacts.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application with the condition that the lighting is Dark Skies
compliant, the catwalk is constructed using thru-flow decking,
and docking facility does not extend out seaward beyond the
neighboring docks.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection, May 10th, noting
concerns about the apparent pier line as well as concerns about
the depth of the water float.
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1 believe that Mr. Herrmann just submitted some new plans
to address those concerns. We did just receive new plans.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Yes. Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on behalf of
the applicant. This one, the Board had noticed in the field that
it looked like the floating dock was a little bit proud of the
pier line being extended to the west from the dock to the east.
So after being a bit chagrined, the Board was correct. What I
did was I actually asked the surveyor to go out and just make
sure that the location of the neighboring dock was correct,
because I didn't want to make, I didn't want to start, you know,
redesigning it, and then find the dock was actually six feet
closer to the shore, something like that.
So he did go out, he confirmed that it was virtually
precise. I didn't know if it could possibly come from an aerial
photograph or that it actually did come from a survey that they
same surveyor had done for that property. He said there might
have been about a three-inch difference, that that dock might,
the float might actually sit out three inches farther, which
gives us, you know, a three-inch cushion, if you will, but
basically negligible.
So what we were able to do is just reduce the length of the
proposed catwalk by a foot, from 4x74 feet to 4x73 feet, and
just kind of wiggle the orientation of the float just a little
bit underneath the ramp to align. And so we, you know, the dock
is nearly in the same location as it was when it was submitted
to you, but it basically accommodates for that foot and change
that it was a little bit proud of that float.
So hopefully we resolved the problem to your satisfaction.
But I take it you'll let me know.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So, it did address the pier line concern.
However, you have a water depth concern. Because according to
the plans just submitted, it looks to be 24 inches or less on
the inside of the float.
MR. HERRMANN: Right. That has not changed. I mean where we are
showing the depths has not changed. I mean, we have had several
applications prior where as long as the dockage area of the
float reached the two-and-a-half feet, the Board has been
approving that. I mean I can think of at least a couple where we
had 30 inches right on the outside of the float, but not 30
inches on the inside.
I mean, basically, and that's actually one of the reasons
that I went with a "T" configuration here instead of an "L."
Because the "L"configuration implies you are going to have
dockage of vessels on the inside, which would be in really water
that drops from 24 inches down to 18 inches. But where you would
dock a vessel on the outside here, I mean you've got three feet
of water just very close off the end of the float. So we are,
you know, kind of threading a needle a little bit here, but the
docks that are on either side are very old docks, they were
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constructed, you know, prior to the current regulations, prior
to water depth requirements, et cetera.
So, you know, this dock would be consistent with the
floating docks that are on both sides of it.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Again, our, you know, our primary concern at
this point is the water depth or lack thereof. I know you
referenced a couple that had less than 30 inches. I can't
recall them recently off the top of my head. I think we have
always required the 30-inch minimum on any part of the float. So
that is definitely a potential concern here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Maybe if you can submit, if you have some of
those --
MR. HERRMANN: Sure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I understand with the creeks and the pier
lines we are regularly threading the needle on these docks. To
my knowledge, we have been pretty consistent with the 30 inches,
at least since we have been on the Board. So if you could
possibly submit something that you have, I would appreciate it.
MR. HERRMANN: Sure.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Because in looking at these plans you
submitted with the water depths, it does look like it drops off
pretty significantly, six inches from one side the dock to the
other and another six inches halfway up the ramp. Um --
MR. HERRMANN: Are you talking vertically, Glen?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Yes.
MR. HERRMANN: It changes, I remember in field inspection, you
could almost, I think Nick mentioned, you can almost see, I
don't know if I'd call it a channel, but you can see where the
water drops off in that location. So, no, I was just going to
say, if we were in a situation like Richmond Creek or something
like that where you had sort of like a long series of fixed
floating docks and we were trying to push a float into that
area, I would understand sort of a greater objection to it. But
the floating docks are pretty consistent along the shoreline.
So I mean really this dock would sit and look very much like the
ones on either side of it.
I know the Board has talked in the past, I mean we had
obtained at least a couple of permits, I could think of, years
ago, where the Board allowed the four piles with chocking, I
know since then you have gotten away from that, where the idea
is if there is clearly insufficient water, you didn't want to
allow the floating docks to be constructed in spite of that,
with the chocking, but I'm not sure if there is a specific
objection you have to the idea of the chocking itself. I mean
the chocking is just having two, you know, boards that run
between the poles that make sure that if you had an
exceptionally low tide, the float would not sit on the bottom.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's not something I am personally willing to
consider at all. Not to interrupt, but.
MR. HERRMANN: No, I just raised it, Nick, because this would not
be a situation where we don't have 30 inches of water and we are
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trying to use that as a backup. I just didn't know if that's
something where we are reaching 30 inches for where the vessel
would be docked, if that would add some comfort. But if it
doesn't, it doesn't.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If I can just interject. I do apologize,
because I did not catch that the inside the 24, when we first
viewed this until, I mean, just when we reviewed it moments ago.
So I do apologize for the delay. That's not noted in the notes.
So I appreciate that.
MR. HERRMANN: That's okay.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But you did mention the "L" configuration. I
understand what you were trying to do there, but it's possible,
I'm just spit balling, if you moved it one way or another, it's
possible you pick up. Because we are only talking six inches. We
are not talking about very much here. So it is possible if you
move that float one way or the other in an "L" configuration
that you are going to be able to accommodate 30 inches under the
float. I'm just kind of throwing that out there.
MR. HERRMANN: So when you say that, you are talking about the
potential movement of the float laterally to the east or the
west that we might get. Yes. And the other thing I looked at
with the soundings is when we shot the soundings with the
surveyor, we were probably a little bit lower than mean low
tide, and you remember it used to be more of a struggle when the
DEC was requiring mean low or low. So I mean we could also
resound it and try to hit the spot and see if that makes a
difference. But I didn't think of doing that in anticipation of
tonight, just because of the --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, I apologize for not picking that up
sooner.
MR. HERRMANN: It is a tough one to go by, because it's really
more of a policy that has come out of the Board. It's not really
in the code. I don't think your dock construction standards
even really specify any required minimum depths, or where they
should be reached. So it does -- you know, I'm going on and on.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Stay tuned.
MR. HERRMANN: Right. Exactly.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Is there anyone else here wishing to speak
regarding this application?
MR. HERRMANN: So we would adjourn it, Nick. Before you make a
motion.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So in light of the comments, I make a motion
to table this application to re-evaluate the water depth and/or
dock locations to get sufficient water depth for a float. That's
my motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 17, Michael Kimack on behalf of VASILIS
& CHRISTINE FTHENAKIS requests a Wetland Permit to demolish and
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remove existing cottage, foundation, wood deck, and walkway at
bluff; demolish and remove existing two-story frame house,
foundation and associated structures near Nassau Point Road;
construct a new foundation, new one-story dwelling with a
2,476sq.ft. footprint; install an on-grade 684sq.ft. stone
and/or brick patio; and to remove six (6)trees of varying
calipers.
Located: 6925 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-111-15-9
The Trustees most recently reviewed this application on the
10th of May and noted that they would discuss new plans at work
session.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council did not support the
application as it was submitted due to the proximity of the
bluff and the destabilization, all of which has been worked over
at prior meetings.
It should also be noted that I'm in receipt of new plans,
the most recent plans stamped received in the office April 25th,
2022, depicting the structure at 28.5 feet from the top of the
bluff and a 20-foot non-turf buffer.
It should also be noted that I'm in receipt of a new
project description stamped received May 9th, 2022, which I'll
quickly read into the file.
Demolish and remove existing cottage foundation, wood deck
walkway landward of bluff, demolish two-story frame house,
foundation and associated structures near Nassau Point Road;
construct a new foundation, two-story frame dwelling 2,464
square feet with new on-grade stone or brick patio 8.5'x 39'.
331 square-foot; remove three trees of varying calipers within
100 feet of top of bluff; install a non-turf buffer a minimum of
20 feet landward of top of bluff.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. KIMACK: Michael Kimack, on behalf of the applicant. And the
applicant is here. We are the last man standing tonight. He's in
the audience.
We've reviewed it many times. I think there has been
revisions, I believe the last set of revisions are in compliance
with what you had looked for in the prior meeting, especially
with the 20-foot non-turf buffer and the trees. Prior to that,
we had removed the staircase leading down that you had requested
us to do.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Is there anyone else here wishing to
speak regarding this application?
(No response).
Or any additional comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Hearing none, I make a motion to close the
hearing in this application.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
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(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to approve this application
with the plans dated April 25th, 2022, with the description
stamped received May 9th, 2022, with replacement of the trees to
be removed elsewhere on the property, and with the stipulation
of the removal of the overhang on the seaward side patio.
That is my motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. KIMACK: Thank you.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 18, Michael Kimack on behalf of SOUTHOLD
BAYHAVEN PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION requests a Wetland Permit
to remove approximately 150' of existing bulkhead, landing with staircase and
wood walkway; install approximately 166 linear feet of new vinyl bulkhead with
dead-men tie-backs; remove approximately 527sq.ft. of American Beach grass
with approximately 85 cubic yards of soil and approximately 20 linear feet of
12" PE corrugated drain pipe, and replace with approximately 25 cubic yards of
beach sand to extend beach landward of easterly removed existing bulkhead line;
remove approximately 564sq.ft. of American Beach grass in area seaward of easterly
existing bulkhead line and replace with approximately 21 cubic yards of beach sand
(total beach grass removed is f1,091sq.ft.); relocate approximately 70 linear feet of
12" PE corrugated pipe which proposed "V" rip-rap tapered swale runoff; construct
new replacement 4.5'x7' (31.5sq.ft.) landing and 3'x24' (72sq.ft.) wood walkway in
same locations as existing; and establish new American Beach grass planting area
(t1,200sq.ft.) to replace areas lost in kind.
Located: 975 Watersedge Way, Southold. SCTM# 1000-88-5-64
The Trustees most recently visited the location on the 10th
of May. The notes from that visit read: Need to condition
contact of Town Engineer office two weeks prior construction.
The LWRP found this proposed action to be consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved not to
support the application. The Conservation Advisory Council does
not support application and questions the need to replace the
functioning bulkhead and disturbed by healthy shoreline. The
corrugated drain pipe should be plugged or removed.
The Trustees office received plans stamped April 20th,
2022.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this application?
MR. KIMACK: Michael Kimack on behalf of the applicant. Southold
Bayhaven Property Owners Association is looking to replace their
existing bulkhead, and then one section basically you can see to
try to move it back to be able to have a little bit more beach
than they currently have.
The last time we had this discussion, the original design,
I had redirected about 70 feet of the 12-inch drainage pipe away
from the center of where we are creating the new beach and moved
it off to the side.
Having a discussion with Michael Collins, he didn't like
the idea. Mike and I disagreed on the fact that Mike thought
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that the stone bead that I had created in order to dampen the
runoff would be washed away, and I said they are 300 pounds,
Mike. But having argued with him at that point, we decided to
just pull it back 18 feet in a straight line. Because he said at
one point the Town of Southold is going to address the drainage
on the street. The drywell that exists now is obviously not
sufficient. That's why it was put in. It was put in with a DEC
permit. They did that. Mike referenced that to me.
I have gotten comments back from DEC. They were looking
for some elevations. Surprisingly I have not submitted a new
set to DEC until I was assured we were okay with the Trustees.
But their comments were simply that they wanted a little bit
more information on the movement of the culvert, which is not
going to happen, and some elevations points. When you deal with
the DEC long enough, you know in a sense what they ask for and
what they don't ask for, they give you a fairly good indication
you are not going to get anything greater. Except for us.
So I think it's, and one of the things we did do on this
particular one, one of the things the DEC did ask for on this
drawing, is that a landing, the existing landing, which is
four-and-a-half by seven, four-and-a-half by six, meets their
requirement, which was changed on the drawing, apparently
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Thank you.
MR. KIMACK: Thank you.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Any members of the Board wish to comment on
this application?
(Negative response).
Hearing no further comments, I make a motion to close this
hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I make a motion to approve this application
with the condition that any construction team/company, contact
the Town Engineer two weeks prior to the work. Michael Collins
can be here onsite.
MR. KIMACK: I think he wants to be there to make sure the
connection is done appropriately.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Number 19, Michael Kimack on behalf of
GARDINERS BAY ESTATES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, INC.
requests a Wetland Permit for the existing 4' wide landward steps leading
to existing 4'x38' fixed catwalk; existing 3'x14' aluminum ramp;
existing 4'x78' floating dock supported by three (3) pilings
with an existing 4'x22' floating finger dock at eastern end;
existing 3'x14' easterly middle floating dock; existing 6'x16'
westerly middle floating dock; and existing 3'x14' floating dock
at western end; propose to add additions to the seaward ends of
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all four floating docks consisting of a 4'x2' extension onto
eastern end float; a 3'x10' extension onto easterly middle
float; a 6'x8' extension onto westerly middle float; and a
3'x10' extension onto western end float.
Located: End of Dogwood Lane in Spring Pond, East Marion.
SCTM# 1000-37-4-17 & 1000-37-1-23
The Trustees most recently visited the site on May 10th,
noting that the docks currently exceed pier line of neighboring
docks, which causes concern.
The LWRP reviewed this application and found it to be
inconsistent for the following reasons: A permit was not found
for the existing dock structure and is therefore inconsistent
with Policy 6.3. The dock was expanded sometime between 2007
and 2010. The applicant failed to prove that this action meets
the following requirements as outlined in Chapter 275. Review
and approval of dock applications before issuing a permit for a
dock structure, the Trustees shall consider whether the dock
will have any of the following harmful effects. Whether the dock
will cause degradation of surface water quality and natural
resources, it is recommended that the Board minimize or prohibit
CCA treated material during construction and that turbidity
controls are required. The distance from the end of dock to the
closest point of the opposite shoreline should be measured to
determine suitability of the proposed dock. Whether the
cumulative impacts of a residential and commercial docks will
change the waterway or the environment and whether alternate
design, construction, location of the dock will minimize
cumulative impacts, and whether adequate facilities are
available to boat owners and/or operators for fueling,
discharge, waste and rubbish, electrical service and water
service.
In addition Chapter 275 requires that the determination of
the vessel length of the dock must include dimensions of the
vessel, and the dimensions of the vessel are not specified.
The Conservation Advisory Council reviewed this application
and resolved to not support it. The Conservation Advisory
Council does not support the application because the docking
facility appears to exceed more than one-third across the width
of Spring Pond and therefore requests more definitive aerials
with locations.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. KIMACK: Yes. Michael Kimack on behalf of the applicant. I'm
trying to take it and address some of the concerns raised by the
LWRP and the Conservation Advisory Council.
As far as the distance across, actually the distance across
meets the requirement of 25% of DEC as opposed to your 33%. And
every time we design one of these, we have to meet DEC at low
water.
There is, as part of your, part of the application, you'll
see the distance across at low tide, designated as that, as a
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percentage. And at one part what we are basically doing is 150
feet of low tide to the other side, in a straight line, and with
the extension we are at 40 feet. So we are at the 25%, with the
DEC underneath that. And that's at wing closest to the channel.
That particular one.
If you look at the pictures and look at the aerial photos I
put in there, the channel one on the south side over there, of
the drawing is actually on the south -- it would be on the
west. I apologize. We are not extending out any further as a
pier line from that, if you bring that one across, it's pretty
much -- it's an irregular area. It's very difficult to get a
feel for exactly what a pier line may or may not be, simply
because of that. But if you took that "L" shaped dock off to the
left there and brought that line across, it meets the extension
of the 24 foot, as the pier line on that side
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: As you know, this Board has been in the
practice of using the two immediately adjacent docks as our pier
line.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: This one sticks out pretty good.
MR. KIMACK: It has stuck out pretty good since it's been there.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Where it's at, it's already pushing it. To go
out further would be --
MR. KIMACK: It's very interesting. Let's talk about the depth of
water. That particular dock, basically -- can I walk over and
point to it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Definitely.
MR. KIMACK: Right now, at low tide there's three feet of water,
30, 24, 18, at low tide. And here, it's about three to
three-and-a-half feet. So we have enough depth. So this dock
couldn't be any more landward simply because, I mean it's in
existence, all of this basically meets the requirement and you
begin to get another shallow up here, this is 18, this is
beginning to fill in the material here. But it certainly has
enough depth all the way to about here.
My understanding is it could move in here. They wanted to
bring this out two feet, to bring this out ten, and they wanted
to bring this out eight and eight in order to match it. Because
most of the boats, and get you, the size of the boats, I think
are nine feet. So they want to be able to have the boats fully
inside rather than stick out.
If you look at the aerial photo that I gave you, you can
see the boats there stick out beyond the actual structure
itself. It's part of the application, if I can get that.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: We have it here in the file.
MR. KIMACK: That's a pretty good indication of, you've got short
docks and long boats. So whether we did the docks or we didn't
do the docks, the boats would be sticking out where they stick
out simply because that's what they have.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: With respect, if we permitted the extension of
these docks, there could be larger boats that also stick out as
much as these are.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's a good point.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Good point, Trustee Gillooly.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You walked into that one.
MR. KIMACK: No, look, it's not walking into it so much as the
reality of it's difficult to assess who is buying what kind of a
boat. I'm not quite sure what you really can get back in here
right now because I need an analysis of what type of boats
people have here, for the most part. It looks like most of them
are fairly small, from the aerial, in this particular case,
especially the ones from, and I'm not quite sure if the
association has the limitation on the size of boats.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I would be interested in knowing the answer
to that.
One of the things that I know historically, is this area
was pretty badly damaged during Sandy because of its orientation
straight out towards Gardiners Bay, a lot of storm surge does
come in here, so, and a lot of these properties, we have,
Trustee Krupski, Trustee Goldsmith can speak to that perhaps,
they have knowledge of those applications, because of the storm
surge coming in here, there is a lot of wave energy that comes
back. So to extend the dock even further would jeopardize their
stability, really, and any vessel that is attached to it.
MR. KIMACK: I would disagree with that comment, Eric, I mean, in
a sense when you are doing a floating dock, for the most part, a
floating dock really works with the wave action, for the most
part. And this one has been in place for some time. An extra two
feet on one and an extra eight feet or ten foot on another is
not necessarily going to create an obstacle that would create a
greater energy for the wave action. Because the entire dock is a
floating dock.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: It is. One of the things that I'm concerned
with, to add one more comment, I'm comfortable with the
resurfacing these docks and maintenance. There are some of
these docks that have solid plastic floatation on them and I
think one at least has Styrofoam. Speaking to your client about
the maintenance of these docks is; I'm all for it, but to extend
the docks further is something I can't support. Thinking as one
Trustee.
MR. KIMACK: I'm not quite sure what rationale you apply to that.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The pier line.
MR. KIMACK: The pier line. Well --
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Sticking out any further would create a
navigational hazard for the community.
MR. KIMACK: It would not be a navigational hazard for the
community because it meets the 25%. So that doesn't create a
navigational hazard. Your focus is on the pier line, on two
docks that are on both sides.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't know if we are going to go back and
forth on that point. I don't think that's appropriate. If that's
our view of it, that's our view of it.
MR. KIMACK: Well, I would not argue the basis of the view. I
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mean, I would like to be able to argue rationally against it, if
I can. I mean, those two on both sides there are in the, are
certainly well above the 30 inches, Nick, in terms of where
those steps are.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: So to that point, this would not be a dock
that we would allow to exist brand new. But since it is already
here, regular maintenance is required, which I think this Board
is amenable to.
MR. KIMACK: Yes.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: You have a marina, essentially, in a
residential lot, and you asking us to make it larger to make
larger boats to potentially be located there, exceed the pier
line, well beyond adjacent docks. Which we have already spoken
to.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: And create more shading for the environment.
MR. KIMACK: Was the marina approved under 280-11?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I don't believe so.
MR. KIMACK: Or was it built before 280-11 was brought into
existence? Or 280-13?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Part of this had it, and then there was
expansion that did not have it. So part of it is, you know,
permitted under ZBA, but not all of it.
MR. KIMACK: Okay. I mean it does serve a fairly substantial
community. This is their only access for a marina. It's not as
if you have a residential one house where you are dealing with
one dock.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: It's actually, Ms. Cantrell, if you can
scroll to the right. South, I believe. So there is a little
place called Fox Island. That is also access for boats in the
area. So there are options for people in this area.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not to mention the ramp that is immediately
adjacent.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Right. The launch ramp, which is well
maintained. And they have taken quite a number of pains to make
sure that runoff doesn't continue to go down that ramp into the
creek. Well, it's not a creek, but it--
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Looking at that photo as well, if you extend
that westerly dock, the westerly finger, you'll be impeding that
ramp as well.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Indeed.
MR. KIMACK: Well, there is no way, I mean, if you're doing it on
looking at the two docks on both sides, right now, the one to
the right over there, certainly the entire dock is more seaward
than that one is at the end of it. So there is really no way
with which to suggest that we are even in any kind of pier line
review on that particular one. Because it's already existing
seaward of that one.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So that's kind of our point. You are already
exceeding the pier line, so for us to extend even further is a
non-starter.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would agree.
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MR. KIMACK: So in essence basically, they can repair it but they
can't extend it. In essence.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: That's my feeling on that.
MR. KIMACK: So you need a, we need a permit in order to repair
anyway, correct?
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Yes.
MR. KIMACK: All right. So I'm going to have to basically re-do
the design, bring it back, because they had wanted to propose
the vehicle to replace the Styrofoam with regular, with rubber
floats, and then do marine grade on the top, primarily for the
repairs.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Is there anyone else here wishing to speak
regarding this application?
(No response).
Any further comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
MR. KIMACK: What I need is guidance in terms of what you want me
to submit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes. One second on that. Just give us one
second.
(Trustees reviewing documents)
I think we are just working out logistics of what exactly is
there versus what you are applying for before we give some sort
of guidance.
(Trustees reviewing documents).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to table this application at
the applicant's request.
MR. KIMACK: Yes, I think there is just too much confusion, too
much loose threads. So until we have some clarifying direction.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: That is my motion.
MS. HULSE: It's not on the floor. Hold on.
MR. KIMACK: The motion has not been voted on yet. One of the
things we have to determine is what had been approved and what
needs to be, because I need to legalize what we have.
MS. HULSE: Hold on, one second. There is a motion on, so there
is no more comment. It has to be seconded or that fails. Then
you can allow-- is there a second?
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I rescind my motion.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Hearing none, we rescind the motion.
MR. KIMACK: I need to do some research to find out what has been
approved at one point.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, I think to, and I don't want to speak out
of turn, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I mean, and this actually goes back to, I believe -- I
don't remember who made the comment at this point, but I think
this Board would be open to some sort of application to repair
sort of what is there, but the Board certainly is not looking to
extend what is there, because it's already ahead.
MR. KIMACK: But there are parts of it that may not have been
approved prior. So there may be parts of it that I have to
basically apply for legalization of that. Even though I'm
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applying for repair, all of that dock that is there, you
indicated --
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Yes. So we would like a clean application or
a permit application to repair what is existing. And what those
dimensions --
MR. KIMACK: With the description that defines exactly what had
been approved at some time in the past and what had been added
without a permit and what is required, what is being requested
for legalization.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: The as-built.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And recommending that every float, you know--
MR. KIMACK: Can I write it up as an as-built? I can write it up
as an as-built. That's fine.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay.
MR. KIMACK: Okay. It would be a little bit easier than to try to
go back and piece it together.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY:. I make a motion to table this application at
the applicant's request.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay, I'll make a motion for adjournment.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
Respectfully submitted by,
lenn Gold ith, President
Board of Trustees