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SOUTH'OLD TOWN BOARD
AUGUST 12, 1986
WORK SESSION
Present: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy, Justice Raymond W. Edwards,
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh, Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran, Councilman George
L. Penny IV, Town Clerk Judith T. Terry, Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker.
Absent: Councilman James A. Schondebare (2:00 p.m.).
9:15 A.M. - Superintendent of Hicj. hways Raymond L.'"Jacobs met with the Board to
discuss: request for bids to repair D-6 bulldozer at the Landfill (see resolution no.
20; set date for interviews for part-time Road Inspector; Councilwoman Cochran's
resolution to rescind resolution transferring the Chiparvestor to Fishers Island for
use by the Highway Department (resolution no. 19). Justice Edwards stated the
machine should be sold to Fishers Island for one dollar and would vote against the
resolution. Fishers Island has been paying taxes on the Cutchogue Landfill and
for two years has been trying to break away since they have their own Garbage
District. It was agreed the Commissioners of the Fishers Island G~rbage District
would come over for a demonstration of the Chiparvestor before making a decision
with respect to purchase, whatever the cost may be.
9:50 A.M. - Andre Cybulski, Chairman, and Diane Schultze, Secretary, Farmland
Preservation Committee met with the Board to discuss: four new farmland parcels
have been offered during the recent advertising period; recommendation of the
Committee to allow Catherine and John Simicich, Jr. to withdraw from the program,
provided they pay $.1,750 for expenses incurred (besol~tion f~o. 24)i"the Committee
WoUld' ~ike-,to hire one-~ppr~a~'er for-the 'new offerings,. 'and request the County.to.
conduct the reviews of those parcels. Mr. Cybulski Will advise the Board when they
have selected an appraiser, which they are working on at the present time.
10:00 A.M. - For Discussion Items: [1) lr~crease per gallon fee from $.01 to $.02 for
scavenger waste to be disposed of at the Landfill, Cutchogue (resolution no. 23); (2)
Request of Mattituck School Social Studies Teacher Alan J. Lawrence for donation of
the Town Flag to Mattituck High School.' The Board agreed to donate a flag to each
of the high schools--MattitUck, Southold, Greenport, Fishers Island (see resolution no.
25), and the Town Clerk was authorized to order additional Town Flags; (3) To Set
date for interviews of Road Inspector applicants will be coordinated with Superintendent
of Highways Jacobs; (4] AS requested by Fishers Island residents on August 6th,
the Board discussed a request for R'. W. Beck to provide the Town with an engineering
overview study for the establishmerit of a Fishers Island Municipal Electric District
(see resolution no. 26].
10:10 A.M. - Water Advisory Committee member Ruth Oliva submitted to the board
a prOposed job description for a Director of the Southold Town Water Treatment
Program and asked that a help wanted ad be placed in the local newspapers. The
Board reviewed the description, and Councilwoman Cochran stated the description
appears to be that of a public relations persons, to with other Board members agreed;
however, it is a part-time position and it was agreed to place the ad to see who is
available for such a position. The Committee cannot go forward with their water
program
10:35 A.M. - North Fork Animal Welfare League, Inc. President Annette Knoblock,
and Dog Pound ~upervisor Gladys Csajko, (along with two dog wardens, and members
Of the League in the audience), met with the Board to report on a dog incident that
occurred a wee_k ago when two Southold;residents attempted to turn in a lost dog at
the Dog Pound. -Charges of being requested to sign a "destruct form" were put to
rest when Mrs. Csajko produced the form which is a standard Identification form used
(~etrha~. Pou~nd fo.r unlic, ense.d or stray dogs. Mrs. Csajko also produced the "General
'?. ~.ng. ~'roceoures for the Southold Dog Shelter" and the New York State Departmen;t
or ~,griculture and Markets, Bureau of Dog Identification and Control instructions
respect to redemption or adoption of seized dogs, as well as a flyer giving the purpo~'
of the League with respect to the Dog Pound. it was agreed there was a lack of
communication between the League, .Town Board and the public, and the League would'~',..
make an effort to produce some public relations material to alleviate the problem.
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11:05 A.M. - Don Witschieben, West Mattituck Beach Association, met with the Board
to ask them to request the N,Y.S. Department of Environmental Conservation to remove
the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area preliminary setback line from the Captain Kidd residenti~
beach area, or place it sea.ward of the homes along the man-made and natural erosion
defense line. He also requested the Board to call upon the New York State Legislature
to modify the Environmental Protection Law Article ~34 to include the suggested grand-
father provision, or to reimburse owners for the pre-disaster market value of their
properties when rebuilding is denied. Mr. Witschieben presented a petition containing
86 signatures reiterating the above. Mr. Witchieben also submitted a "North Shore
of Long Island in Suffolk County, New York, Beach Erosion Control and Interim
Hurricane Study" which was prepared approximately 20 years ago. Mr. Nick Cyprus
of Sound Beach Drive, Mattituck, advised the Board that rather than erosion, his -
property has accreted 135 feet since 1976.--Supervisor Murphy will arrange a meeti~1
with Assemblyman Sawicki and Senator LaValle to discuss modification of the Envir°~l"~ ~i?
mental Protection Law. ~?
11:30 A.M. - William Behr, Board of Director, Greenport=Southold Chamber of
Commerce, presented a letter to the Town Board',from the Chamber Board of
Directors referring to a July 29th proposal by the Water Advisory Committee
requesting an appropriation of upwards of $30, 000 for a water filter educational
program. It is the Chamber's belief that this could be better attained through the
use of private entrepreneurs who already have vast experience handling those
problems, without expending taxpayer money.
11:55 A.M. - Recess for lunch.
2;10 P.M. - Work Session reconvened and the Board (with Councilman Schondebare
in attendance) met with developers Diane Carroll and Donald Bracken, with John
Costelio present, to discuss their plans for the Costello property on the corner of
Moores Lane and Route 48, Greenport. They advised the Board ~l~ns are being
drawn for moderate housing for the site, and they have requested an appointment
to meet with the Planning Board regarding their proposal. They would like to
build under the "M" zone criteria, and requested the Board to wa~t~n the proposal
of Councilman Schondebare to change the zone back to "Am' Residential (two acres).
They Prefer not to apply for an Affordable Housing zone as the process for obtain-
ing this zoning could take many months. Councilman Penny Suggested the project
could be accomplished under the"AH"zone criterialo~rt in the "M" zone designation.
Councilman Schodebare said it could not, as the "M" zone did' not meet the ?~AH"
zone criteria~ At¥,the suggestion of variances by Councilman Penny, Town Attorne~~
Tasker advised this is illegal, variances cannot be granted in bulk on a parcel of
property. Ms;~Carroll and Mr. Bracken offered to return to the Board in two weeks
with two proposals, one for an "AH" zone and one for an "M" zone. Councilman
Schondebare stated the resolution (no. 1) would be on the regular meeting agenda
to change the zone back to "A" Residential.
2:45 P.M. - The Board reviewed the regular meeting resolutions.
3:30 P.M. - Youth Counselor Mary Ann Fleishmann met with the Board to report
that the Memorial Benefit Concert h'el~l on Sunday at the Tol~ndai Inn was a huge
success. The benefit was held to raise funds for the medical expenses of Amy
Grigonis who was injured in an automobile accident in which her sister and a young
Mattituck man were killed. It also honored the memory of two other young people
who were als0 killed witliin:hocirs of that automobile accident.
3:35 P.M. - The Board agreed to conduct an assessment of the floor problem at
the Senior/Youth Center, so all necessary repairs are in order when the roof and
ceiling repairs are completed.
3:40 P.M. - Councilman Stoutenburgh 'brought to the Board's attention I=~r Dicussion
Item 5, a petition expressing concern about the future of the Southold Town supply
for water, its quantity and quality, and requesting the Board to authorize a public
meeting so all concerned may hear all sides of the water supply problem. Council-
man Penny said he would ask the Suffolk County Water Authority and the Suffolk
County Board of Health to attend a public meeting to answer questions. Councilman
Stoutenburgh said he wanted both sides to be present. The--C:~un¢ilmen were ~nable
to resolve, this question~.
4:00 P.M. - Following the audit of vouchers, the Board discussed possible solutions
for solid waste management in the Town of Southold.
5:00 P.M. - Work Session adjourned. _
AUGUST 12, 1986
REGULAR MEETING
7:30 P.M.
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A Regular Meetin,q of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday, August
12, 1986, at the Southold Town I:lall, Main R~ad, Southold, New York. S~Jpervisor
Murphy opened the meeting at 7.:30 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
Councilman James A. Schondebare
Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran
'Councilman George L. Penny IV
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Good evening. First order of business I'd like a resolution
to approve the audit of the bills of August 12th, 1986.
Moved by Cou~ncilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh' it was
RESOLVED that-the following audited bills be and hereby ordered paid: General
Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $22,382.35; General Fund Part Town bills
in the amount of $15,186.16; Highway Department bills in the amount of $18,494.16;
Highway-CHIPS bills in the amount of $6,985.00; Fishers Island Ferry District bills
in the amount of $19, 998.41; AgricUltural Land Capital Account bills in the amount
of $13,575.00; Southold. Wastewater District bills in the amount of $9,169.82; Recreation
Activity Fee Account bills in the amount of $987.56; AT&T Capital Account bills in
the amount of $704.73.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Next a resolution to approve the minutes of the regular
meeting of July 29th, 1986 and the Fishers Island meeting of August 6th, 1986.
Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Regular Meetings held on July 29, 1986 and
A. ugust 6, 1986 be and hereby are approved. '
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Next is a resolution setting the next meeting date for
August 26th, 1986, 7:30 P.M., Southold Town Hall.
Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the next Regular Meetin9 of the Southold Town Board will be held
at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, August 26, 1986, at the $outhold Town Hall, Main Road,
Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
I. REPORTS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, moving on to the first item on your agenda are
Reports. I'd like to remind everybody these are on file in the Town Clerk's Office
for anyone who would like to read them. In particular interest might be the 4 item
which is from the Scavenger Waste (Plant). This. iS just starting to. show up on our
reports now, ~nd the gallonage is amazingr-475,000 gallons of scavenger waste in
one month going into the plant, which is clo~e to 11,000 gallons average a day, so
we're well within our boundary where we can accept ~helter Island when they come
on in the fall. Just to remind everybody, all of this material used to be put. right
back into the ground down at the Landfill, and we were probably the biggest
polluters of the groundwater in Southold Town, and thank heavens this plant is
finished and is now operating, and operating pretty well. There's still a little punch
list work that has to be done, but on the whole it's running very well, I'm very
happy to say.
1. Building Inspectors report, V. Lessard - July 1986.
2. Supervis0r~s monthly budget report - July 1986.
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report on.
Town Clerk's monthly report - July 1986.'
Scavenger Was_re Treatment Facility report - July 1986.
Szepatowski Associates' monthly report - July 1986.
Town Trustees monthly report - July 1986.
Town Justice Edwards monthly:report- July 1986,.
Fishers Island Ferry District monthly report - July~ 1986.
Police Department' monthly report- July 1986.
Highway Department monthly report - July 1986.
I'd Ilke to now ask the Councilmen if they have any special things to
Starting on my right with George.
COUNCILMAN PI~NNY: No, Frank, I was on vacation and i have nothing to report.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jay?
iCOUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yes, the only thing we did is we went to Fishers
Island and as usual we had a nice time and I want to thank y~u, Judge, for your
~ality over there. It's nice to see that~the only thing they're concerned about
is their roads. Otherwise you must have a very happy little island. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes, ! was privileged to travel 'with you and Jean,
with the Trustees of the Park Commission, Suffolk County Park Commission, as they
traveled around Robins Island to see it, and to evaluate it and then they came back
to our Town Hall and had their meeting where they talked about how to set up
priorities for determining what preserve should be recommended to be acquired.
It was a nice day and ~i nice trip. ! also traveled to Fishers Island and enjoyed
the area. I do find though that they are having some of the problems we're start-
ing to face and also realizing that they too need professional people to handle some
of their environmental problems, which is true for most areas today~ We did have
a meeting of our STOP Program, which was on August 7th and we're well on the
way to carrying that through, and again that's Stopping Throwing Out Pollutants,
and hopefully we'll have a lot of propaganda going out in the next ~three weeks so
that we'll be able to have a good turn out again.
Preservation meeting as representative only, and
four new parcels because some of the people that
acquired have backed out and so they're rapidly
new farms r which they have just advertised for.
I also attended tl~e Farmland
these people are now looking into
they had on their docket to be
moving to take people, four more
That's about it, Frank. With
one last thing, I'd like to thank the entire Board for sending some very nice
flowers to me while I was in the hospital. They did cheer me up, and made me
think how much I was missing.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We missed you, Paul. Glad you're feeling ~better. Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Yes, in addition to attending an executive session last
weekr I also was pleased to be invited to go along with Frank and Paul on the tour
around Robins Island. I had never been around the island, or that close to it before
and Paul did a very nice job in giving us the background .and the history and showing
us the clam pots out there and everything else, which made the trip more interesting.
I also did'attend the meeting for a While afterwards with the Trustees from the Park
Commission. As you know, it's on the lis~ for County acquisition and s~me of us have
hopes that if the County does purchase it that it would be used as an outdoor lab to
benefit not only our BOCES children, but also our universities in the area. I would
also like to extend congratulations to Mary Ann Fleishmann and the young people
that planned the memorial concert benefit yesterday° or Sunday, that was held at
Tolendal. I stopped up for a while and it 'was interesting as to the atmosphere
because it was a memorial', and yet it was a rock concert, and I would say that it
was very well attended and very well done. Also, Judge, I'd like to thank you and
Fishers Island for their hospitality, and please extend it on behalf of myself to
your fellow Fishers Islanders. Thursday some of us are involved in something that's
going to be a great deal of fun. The Leukemia Society is having a fund raisin~ at~
Tolendal in Mattituck. I'm sure if anyone wanted a list minute ticket w~d take 'ca~
of it, but Supervisor Murphy will be serving as one of the hosts, hopefully in a
tuxedo. Judy and I are serving as waiters for this'fund raiser and we will also
be in costume of some sort. We're looking forward to a fun day for a worthwhile
charity. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Jean. Judge Ed.wards?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: It was a pleasure to have the Town Board come over to Fishers
Island. The people on the Island seemed quite happy. There were iust some minor
problems with some of the roads over' there and some of the bays with mooring permits
and so forth, but all in all I believe the people on the Island are quite happy with
the Town's services, and i guess that's it, Frank. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Ray. ! Would just like to add Jeans' comments
on the rock concert, and congratulat~ and thank the adults and the youngsters really
that I think did an excellent job, and they live by the guidelines that were put down.
They lived very well, and I think shown the Town that there are some very go~d and
responsible kids around;~-~ '1 wou'ld-~IS~jaSt lille t0~-CO~ment on the meetin9 on Fishers
Island, and like to thank Councilwoman Cochran for doing a great job of the preparatie
for the trip over there. It's a monumental task, and she did a great job. Everybody
had a very good time and we had a decent lunch. Thank you, Jean,
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: You're welcome.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, moving on to the second item on the agenda is
Public Notices. _ There's quite a few of them. Some are very applicable. These
are all posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board in the back. One I would like
to comment is one, the Department of Army, Corps of Engineers, application by
Mattituck Inlet Dryland Marina, Inc. to construct a bulkhead and install fixed and
floating piers in Mattituck Creek. Written comments by September 1st. I would
to--anyone who's been involved .with this over the years, this goes back a .long
ways, and I would like the Trustees definitely to make a comment to the Corps on
where they plan to build these jetties.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Frank, I have a comment on Number 6, Department of Army,
New York District Corps of Engineers, application by William Hall, on Fishers Island,
to construct a fixed pier, and this fixed pier is over 200 feet long, including a
float, and the people on Fishers Island that are inside this cove with this pier is
quite upset about it, and they have all written their remarks to the Corps of Engineers
Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, I would just suggest, Ray, that maybe you'd take
some copies back to Fishers Island of this 'notice so---
JUSTICE EDWARDS: I've done that already, Frank, because I was mailed a copy
direct and I gave it to all the people in the harbor even before it-came here.
1. (a) New York State Department of Transportation, Notice of Order to establish
a 40 MPH speed limit on Aldrich Lane, Truck Route 25, between Franklinville Road
and Sound Avenue, Laurel.
1.(b) New York State Department of Transportation, Notice of Order to establish
a 40 MPH speed limit on Franklinville Road, between State Route 25 and Aldrich Lane,
also Truck Route 25, Laurel.
2. Notice of STOP (Stop Throwing Out Pollutants) Program to be held September
6, 1986, at the Southold Town Disposal Area, Cutchogue, between 9:00 A.M. and
3:00 P.M.
3. Department of the Army, New York District, Corps of Enqineers, application
by the Suffolk County Department of Public Works to dredge, with ten years maintenan¢
and beach disposal, at West Creek, Cutchogue. Written comments by August 29, 1986.
4. Department of the Army, New York District, Corps of Engineers, application
by the Suffolk County Department of Public Works to dredge, with ten years maintenanc
and beach disposal, at Goose Creek, Southold. Written comments by August 26, 1986.
5. Department of the Army, New York District, Corps of Engineers, application
by the S~f(~lk Cdunty Department of Public Works to dredge, with ten years maintenan¢
and beach disposal, at the New Suffolk Boat Ramp, Little Peconic Bay, New Suffolk.
Written comments by August 28, 1986.
6. Department of the Army, New York Districi, Corps of Engineers, application
by Willian~' A. Hall, III to construct a 6 foot by 170 foot fixed pier and a 30 foot by
8 foot float, Block Island Sound, Fishers Island. Written comments by August 18, 1986~
7. Department of the Army, New York District, Corps of'Engineers, application
by Mattituck Inlet Dryland Marina, Inc. to construct bulkhead and install fixed and
floating piers, Mattituck Creek, Mattituck.. Written comments by September 1, 1986.
III. COMMUNICATIONS.'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, on to Communications.
1. From the Greek Orthodox Church thanking the Town for the courtesy we
showed their bishop when he came out. We gave him a replica of the Town Seal.
He was very appreciative. He was out here on a kick-off drive for fund raising
for the repairs to their church, and extension of their church in Mattituck.
2. From the Mattituck Beach Association concerning Coastal Erosion Management
Program. We are meeting further with them. We met with them today.
3. From Thomas Ryan, Special Assistant to the Governor, telling how the
Governor was very sorry he missed a very fine trip to Fishers Island with the
Town Board.
4. From Dr. (David) Harris, Commissioner of the Suffolk County Department of
Health Services, that he wasn't able to go and also that they are providing funds
for the Fishers Island Mosquito Program in their budget for next year.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Frank, i might add that in the Vector Control, Dr. Gergeset
came out there to the Island. It 'was his first visit, and he is very involved in
the Mosquito Program over there, and I was very happy to see him make the trip
over.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
very good this year.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
They've been' most helpful.
All of Vector Control has I~een
(Two public hearings, 8:00 P.M. and 8:05 P.M. re: proposed "Local Law in relation
to Stop Intersections", and proposed "Local Law to repeal the Home Improvement
Contractors Law of the Town of Southold".)
V. RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Moving on to Resolutions. We have two public hearings
scheduled in about fifteen minutes, so we'll start on resolutions. We do have a
policy in the Town Board that anyone in the audience would like to talk ,on any
of the resolutions that are on the agenda, now is the time to do it. There will
be a period of time after the regular meeting, after we finish the public hearings
and the other resolutions, for anybody to comment on-anything else that they
would like to addreSs to the Town Board. We would ask to have your comments
just directed towards any resolutions that are on the prepared agenda tonight.
So is there anyone would like to address anything that's on the agenda? John.~
JOHN COSTELLO: Yes, in regards to item number 1 on the resolutions, I just
hope that the Town Board sees fit to keep giving me the opportunity to pursue
moderate housing in'Southold Town, and I'll keep pursuing it if you allow. Thank
you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else like to comment on any of the resolutions?
If not, we'll move on to resolution number 1.
Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh,
WHEREAS, the Town Board, pursuant to Section 100-150A of the~Southold Town
Code, on its own motion, proposes to change the zonin9 classifica~n from "M"
Light Multiple Residence District to "A" Residential and ,Agricultural District on
the real property located at the southeasterly corner of County Route 48 and
Moores Lane, Greenport, comprisin9 49 acres, more or less of land, and shown -
on the Suffolk County Tax Map as District 1000, Section 040, Block 5, Lot 1,
said premises being more particularly bounded and described as follows, to wit:
BEGINNING at the point of intersection of the easterly line of Moore's Lane with
the southerly line of Middle Road (County Route 49), said point being the north-
westerly corner of the premises herein described; running thence ,along said south,
line of Middle Road three courses: (1) North 66 degrees, 09 minutes, 10 seconds
East 96.61 feet; thence (2) North 69 degrees, 02 minutes, 10 seconds East 985.10
feet; thence (3) North 71 degrees 28 minutes 20 seconds East 312.64 feet to the
westerly line of a subdivision known as "Fleetfield"; thence along said westerly
line of "Fleetfield", South 16 degrees 01 minutes 50 seconds East 1~150.11 feet to
land of Village of Greenport; thence along said land of Village of Greenport, two
courses': (1) South 58 degrees, 15 minutes 00 seconds West 714.40 feet; thence
(2) South 74 degrees, 45 minutes 00 seconds West 670.00 feet to said easterly line
of Moore's Lane; thence along said easterly line of Moore's Lane, North ~7 degrees,
15 minutes, 00 seconds West 1523.22 feet to the point of BEGINNING. Containing
48.7186 acres.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS:
1. That pursuant to the provisions of Section 100-150B of the Southold Town
Code the Town Clerk. be and she hereby is directed to transmit a certified copy of
this'resolution to the Southold Town Plann!n~l Board, together with instructions to
said board to prepare an official report together with its recommendations, all
pursuant to said Code.
2. That the Town Clerk i~ hereby directed to transmit a certified copy of this
resolution to the Suffolk County,Plannin9 Commission, together with such maps,
documents and information as it may require, and request said Commission to make
written recommendations with respect thereto pursuant to the provisions of the
Suffolk County Charter.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any comments? (No response.) I would like t~o comment
on it. I would have second also. I don't think we're delaying anything. I think
we promised the people who are coming in, John, with a chance to show us what
they plan to do under whatever zone it's going to be. This will not delay anything,
it will just delay the changing. We can stop this process at any time we want, and
it's going to take probably four to six weeks--six to eight weeks even to do th'is.
So this is why I think we're going to start this. I'm not sure how the vote is going
to be, but anyone else have a comment?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I want to make sure that everybody understands
my original position on this, and I was the one outstanding person, so ! think i
will continue my support of this concept.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone ~lse? (No response.)
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1.~¥ote of the Town Boa~d~:
Superivsor Murphy. Noes: Counc
This resolution was declared LOST.
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Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh,
Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edward:
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 2 is to amend a prior resolution.
Amended by #22 'on August 26, 1986
2. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends their
followin9 policy .wh!ch was adopted by Resolution No. 24 on April 22, 1986:
"RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby establishes a
policy that henceforth the Town Board shall require advertisements and interviews
for hiring of all Town employees on either a part-time or full-time basis, and be it
further
RESOLVED that resumes for interviewed applicants shall be kept in an active file
in the Office of the Town Clerk for a period of not more than six months from th~
date an appointment is made for a specific position, should a like position become.
available, and be it further
RESOLVED that Commissioner of Public Works Raymond L. Jacobs shall be permitted
to maintain a permanently active file for the purpose of hiring Attendants at the
Southold Town Landfill Site, and be it further
RESOLVED that rehiring of seasonal employees shall not be subjected to the afore-
said policy."
2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-'
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This re~olution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 3 is to authorize the allocation of additional funds
in the 1986 Community Development Program.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman ~ochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute a Suffolk County Consortium
.P.~oject Description for the allocation of an additional $29,000.00 in 1986 Community
Development Funds to, be used toward the Southold Affordable Housing Projects at
South Harbor Road, Southold, and Seventh Street, Greenport.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Could I make a comment at this point?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
COUNCILMAN PENNY:
Sure.
Okay. I voted against this resolution at the last meetincl
specifically because I felt that these Community Dev~lopment Funds might be used
in a much broader fashion. However, I have not been able to get ann support on
this, and the two specific projects that ! was trying to garner support for are the
Seventh Street Sewer District and the Deep Hole Creek situation where we could
possibly acquire a parcel of property, but in checking today there doesn't seem to
be any property available for lease or for purchase and I have not been able to
receive any support on the Seventh Street Sewer, so I will, of course, vote for
affordable housing. Yes.
3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 4 is to accept a resignation of a Beach Parking
Attendant.
4. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts, with regret,
the resignation of Kimberlie Martin as a Beach Parkin9 Attendant, effective August
1, 1986.
4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 5 is to accept another resignation.
5. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts, with reqret,
the resignation of Renee Chituk, Beach Parkin9 Attendant, effecti~ immediately.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Let me just say on the record, actually ~t applies
to the prior resolution, not this one, but it's a sad commentary, I think, on the
times that our Beach Parking Attendant gets harrassed and subject to actual physical
abuse, and deems it necessary +hen to submit her resignation. I can sympathize,
of course, with the resignation being submitted, but I think that it is really a shame
that someone in the position of Beach Attendant winds up to be actually physically
abused by oeoole that are usin~ the beach. It's a sad commen~arv.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Couldn't agree with you more, Jay.
$.-Vote o~ the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man $chondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 6 is to extend the appointment of a part-time
Clerk Typist .
6. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of ithe Town of Southold hereby extends the
appointment of-M.a.~¥ Ann Cybulski, part-.time Clerk Typist..f.or the Southold
Town Hall., for a six month period, effective July 21, .1986_ through January
21, 1987, 17½ hours per week, at a salary of $6.00 per hour.
6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: COuncilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran,
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 7 is to execute an amendment.
7. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an amendment to the Suffolk
County Consortium Home Improvement Program (CHIP) agreement with Citibank,
extending the.CHIP agreement through September 30, 1986, to allow the consortium
time to review new proposals being submitted and select the bank(s) which will
participate without having a lapse in the CHIP program.
7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. _
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Nun~ber 8 is to execute another amendment on the same
program.
8. Moved by Councilwoman Coch~an, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that' the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an amendment to the Suffolk
County Consortium Home Improvement Program (CHIP) agreement with European
American Bank, extending the CHIP agreement through September 30, 1986, to
allow the consortium time to review new proposals being submitted and select the
bankls) which will participate without having a lapse in the CHIP program.
8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 9 is to execute another agreement between the
Town, the North Fork Animal Welfare League and the Village of Greenport.
9. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute an agreement between the Town
of $outhold, Village of Greenport and the North Fork Animal Welfare.League, Inc.,
to provide for the control of do~ls in t.h.e Vii!age of Greenport, and to utilize
Southold's dog pound to house dogs seized in Greenport, for the period beginning
August 1, 1986 and terminating on July 31, 1988.
9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman $toutenbur§h, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 10 is a resolution opposing the increase of excise
tax on wine.
10. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board-of the Town Of Southold hereby goes on record
in opposition to the proposed increase of the excise tax on wine from 17 cents to
84 cents per gallon, and authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to convey this
message to Congressman William Carney and request his support in defeating this
measure.
10.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny,- Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenbur§h, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. -
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 11 is to execute a grant application for Town
Youth Services.
11. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of $outhold hereby authorizes and
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directs Supervisor Francis dl. Mu~ph~ to execute a.~l. rant application to Suffolk
County Youth Burea~'-~or the 1-~8~'Ulth~id T°wn~ ~;~uth Services Program Fundin~l
in the amount of $10,000.00.
11.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 12 is to release a $100,000 performance bond.
12. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby releases the
$100,000.00 performance bond posted by Lands End Realty for roads and improve-
ments in the major subdivision known as "Lands End", located at Orient, all in
accordance with the recommendations of the Southold Town Planning Board, Super-
intendent of Highways Jacobs, and Road Inspector John W. Davis.
12.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murpl~y.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 13 is to renew a single family house trailer permit.
13. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the ~.pplication of Zdzislaw Mikolajczyk for renewal of a sin~lle
family house trailer permit, for trailer located at the south side of Private Road,
off of the east side of Main Road, Mattituck, New York, which permit expired on
August 9, 1986, be and hereby is Granted for a six (6) month period.
13.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 14 is to renew another single family house trailer
permit, and this is a much easier name.
14. Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the application of Frank J. McBride for renewal of a single family
house trailer permit, for trailer located at the north side of Oregon Road, Cutchogue,
New York, which permit expired on August 9, 1986, be and hereby is Granted for
a six (6) month period.
14.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 15 is to accept a resignation of a School Crossing
Guard.
15.
Moved by Ju~stice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts, the
resignation of School Crossin~t Guard Theodore E. Doroski, who is retiring
from public service effective September 13, 1986, and expresses their sincere
thanks appreciation to Mr. Doroski, who began employment with the Town on
December $, 1968, for the many years of providing safe crossing for the school
children in the Town of Southold, and wishes him continued good health and
happiness in his retirement.
COUNCILMAN STOUTI:NBURGH: I would like to add just a bit in here. I know
this man personally since I live in the area and he's done an extremely fine job
and should be congratula,ted wholeheartedly.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I would like to extend the same feelings. This man has
worked very had, very well, at the East Cutchogue School, and he's done a
fantastic job, not only working for the school, but working for the Town and
i'm very happy that he is retiring and hope he has many years of excellent
health.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: They don't hardly make them like that anymore.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEI3ARE: Let's turn this into a proclamation, ask him to
come on in and present it to him. Okay?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: I'll invite him to the next meeting.
15.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Ceuncilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 16 is to authorize the reduction of a performance
bond.
16. Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
reduction of the $100,000.00 performance' bond of Harbor Lights, Section IV to
S35,000.00, all in accordance with the recommendation of the Southold Town
Planning Board, Superintendent-of Highways Jacobs, and Road Inspector John
W. Davis.
16.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
17.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 17 is granting permission to use a Town beach,
Moved 'by Councilman Stoutenbu~gh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission
to the New Suffolk Civic Association to use the New Suffolk Town Beach for their
annual picnic on Saturday, August 16, 1986, from 6:00 P.M. to 9:00 'P.M. (rain
date: Sunda~/, August 17, 1986, from 6:00 P.M. to 9:00 P.M.), provided they
secure and maintain the proper insurance to hold the Town of Southold harmless.
17.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 18 is to execute a change order on the Scavenger
Waste Plant.
18. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute Change Order No. 2 for Contract
No. 4, Electrical Work by McDowell Electric Corp. at the Southo-ld Scavenger Waste
Treatment Facility. for "extra work" at a net cost of $3, 448.00, to be paid from the
5% contingency fund allocated for the project.
18.~Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, CouncilWoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy:
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR~-MURPHY: Number .19 is to rescind a prior resolution.
19. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby rescinds their
Resolution No. 2T, adopted July 15, 1986, transferring, the F. R. Morbark Super
Beever Chiparvestor S/N $B-120, with Blade Sharpener and spare parts, to
Fishers Island for the use of the Highway Department.
19.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Supervisor Murphy. No: Justice Edwarc
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 20 is to advertise for bids.
20. Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the repair of the undercarria~te
of the Caterpillar D6D track type dozer located at the Southold Town Landfill Site.
20.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Supervisor Murphy. No: Justice Edwards.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, at this time I'd like a resolution to recess for the
period of time it takes us to hold two public hearings.
MoVed by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was ~
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is recessed at 8:00 P.M.~_~[~
for the purpose of holding two public hearings on two proposed Local Laws: "A
Local Law in relation to 5top Intersections", and "A Local Law to repeal the Home
Improvement Contractors Law of the Town of Southold".
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Regular Meeting reconvened at 8:20 P.M.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I'd just like to let everyone know that we will have these
two resolutions concerning the two Local Laws at the end of our prepared agenda.
I'd like to move back to Resolution No. 21 to authorize an advance for the Adolexcent
Depression and Suicide Program.
21. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Jsutice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
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advance of $275.00 from the General Fund Whole Town Account to pay the tuition
of Youth Counselor Mary Ann Fleishmann to attend the Hampton Summer tnstitut~
course on "Adolescent Depres.sion and Suicide", being held August 11 through 15,
1986; said money to be reimbursed to the General Fund from Community Develop-
ment Fiscal Year 11 funds which will be received from the County of Suffolk.
21.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, SUpervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 22 is to execute a contract.
22.
Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED~I~hat the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute a contract between Chemical
Pollution Control, Inc. and the Town of Southold for provid~nc~ all professional
services, including, but not limited to, supervision, labor, equipment and materials
necessary to accept quantities of household hazardous wastes during the Stop
ThroWing Out Pollutants (ST(~P) Program Day on Saturday, September 6, 1986,
at the Southold Town Landfill Siter at a cost of: $1~500.00 set-up fee; $175.00
per 55 gallon drum of collected waste (disposal fee); and $375.00 per 55 gallon
dr.um of pesticide waste (disposal fee).
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I miclht make a comment that the pesticide waste
has jumped up over $150 because of t~e problems of disposing of pesticides. It
was lower last year and it has jumped up this year. Things are going up.
~0~NCII-MAN SCHONDEBARE: What did it cost us last time, Paul?
COUNCILMAN.STOUTENBURGH: $7,000.00, something like that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I think we budgeted $7,500.00 and we~spent about
$7,000.00. We put a little more in. We went up to $8,000.00.
22.~Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenbur§h, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 23 is to increase the fees in th~ Landfill.
23.
Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESO~_¥ED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby increases the fee
for scavenger waste to be disposed of at the SouthoId Landfill Site, Cutchogu~,
from $.01 to $.02. effective immediately.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I might add this is only for those people who are not
allowed to dump into our Scavenger Waste Plant because' it woul~l upset the
biological action, and there's only one firm and it's the Winter Haven Fisheries,
I believe, in Greenport, and it's mostly protein, sand and grit from the clams
and we do have. to bury it immediately. We are going to try some experiments
of mixing it with the mulch that we're making down at the Landfill.
23.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolutio~n was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 2~ is to release from an option agreement.
24. Moved by Councilman Penny~ seconded by Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, John Simicich, Jr. and Catherine Simicich have requested that they b,':
released from their option agreement with the Town for the purchase of developmenl
..r.ights in their land comprising approximately ;39 acres and located on the south side
of Bergen Avenue, Mattituckr and
WHEREAS', the Town Board hereby ac~rees to release them, provided the Town is
reimbursed for certain expenses whic~h have been incurred on behalf of John Simicich
Jr. and Catherine Simicich, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby releases John
Simicich Jr. and Catherine Simicich from their option agreement with the Town for
the purchase of the devel~Fment rights in their land at Mattituck, provided the
Town is reimbursed the sum of $1,750.00, representing $400.00 for a title search,
$600.00 for a survey, and $750.00 for appraisal services.
24.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stouteoburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 25 is to donate the Town Flags to our area high
schools.
25. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, 'seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby donates the
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Southold Town Fla9 to the followin~t high schools: Mattituck-Cutchoc~ue, Southol-d,
Greenport, and Fishers Island.
25.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 26 is requesting a study.
26. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh; it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby requests R. W.
Beck and Associates to provide the Town with an engineering overview study with
re.spect to the projected costs for the establishment of a Fishers Island Municipal
Electric District, at a cost not to exceed $31 500.00.
26.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Count~
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justmce Edwards, Superv.sor Murphy.l~.~l
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 27.is to advertise for resumes.
27. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs the Town Clerk to advertise for resumes for the part-time position of
Director of the Southold Town Water Treatment Program.
27.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resoluti6n was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 28 is to set a public hearing on a Local Law.
28. Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilman Schondebare,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold
a proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation t.o p.arki~l of motor
vehicles", now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby sets 8:00 P.M., Tuesday, ~ugust 26, 1986,
Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as time and place for a public
hearin~ on the aforesaid proposed Local Law which reads as'follows, to wit:
LOCAL LAW NO. - 1986
A Local Law in relation ~.~
to parkin~l of motor vehicles
BE IT ENACTED by the ~Fown Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Section 92-41 (Parking prohibited at all times) of the Code of the Town of
Southold is amended by adding thereto the following:
Name of Street Side Location
County Route_48 North At Southold, from the extension southerly of the
easterly line of Horton Lane, Easterly for a distance
of 250 feet.
County Route 48 South At Southold, from the extension northerly of the
easterly line of Horton Lane, Easterly for a distance
of 250 feet.
County Route 48 South At Southold, from the extension northerly of the
westerly line of Horton Lane, Westerly for a distance
of 250 feet.
I!. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
28.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 29 is to authorize a salary increase.
29. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards° it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants a salary
increase to part-time Justice Court Clerk Robin Martin, from $5.50 per hour to
$6.00 per hour, effective August 1, 1986..
29.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councmlwoman Cochran, Coun~
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 30 is the decision on a proposed Local Law that
we just had the public hearing on concerning Stop Intersections.
30. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh,
WHEREAS, a proposed Local Law No. 8 - 1986 was introduced at a meeting of
this Board held on the 29th day of July, 1986, and
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WHEREAS, a public hearing was held thereon by this Board on the 12th day of
August, 1986, at which time all interested' persons were given an opportunity to
thereon; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Local Law No. 8 - 1986 be enacted as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 8 -'1986
A Local Law in relation to Stop Intersections
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
(additions indicated by underline deletions by [brackets])
Chapter 92 (Vehicle and Traffic) of the Code of the Town of Southold is amended
as follows:
I. Section 92-30 (Stop Intersections) is amended as follows:
~' Direction At Intersection
Name of Street of travel w~th Location
Sterling Place [North] East Champlin Place Greenport
Sterling Place [South] West Champlin Place Greenport
Champlin Place East Sterling Place Greenport
Champlin Place West Sterling .Place Greenport
Madison Avenue. South West Street Greenport
II. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
30.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 31 is a decision on a proposed Local Law to
repeal the Home Improvement Contractors Law.
31. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, a proposed Local Law No. 9 - 1986 was introduced at a meeting of
this Board held on the 29th day of July, 1986, and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held thereon by this Board on the 12th day of
August, 1986, at which time all interested persons were given a~ opportunity to
be heard thereon, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Local Law No. 9 - 1986 be enacted as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 9 -~ 1986
A Local Law to repeal the Home Improvement
Contractors Law of the Town of Southold
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold, as follows:
I. The Home. Improvement Contractors Law of the Town of Southold, constituting
Chapter 50 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby repealed.
II. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
31.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Now we could do Number 32 to extend thanks and
appreciation to the Licensing Review Board members and relieve them from their
duties.
32.
Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, the Town Board, by Local Law No. 9 - 1986, has repealed the Home
Improvement contractors Law of the Town of Southold, and
WHEREAS, by repealing the Home Improvement Contractors Law the Licensing.
Review Board for same is thereby abolished, now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby extends their
sincere thanks and appreciation to Licensing Review Board members Robert L.
Hyatt, Norman A. Reilly, Sr., George N. Terry, and Mike Jacobi for the time
they have devoted to serving their community as members of said board.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I might add these men have served for quite a long time
and have done a very good job, even though they weren't called upon that often.
When 'th'ey were called upon they did an excellent job.
32.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebarer Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resoluti6n was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, that's the end of the prepared and added-on-to
agenda, and at this time I'd like to ask any Town Board members if they would
like to have anything else to say? Ray?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: I want to start off by thanking the Town Board for passing
the resolution allowing R. W. Beck to complete the study for municipal electric on
Fishers Island, and also to offer my disapproval of the resolution preventing the
chiparvestor from going to Fishers Island. There's reason for it, but I'm not happy
that was shot down. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jean?
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COUNCILMAN
three of those
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COUNCILMAN
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH:
contacted ?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: No.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH:
AUGUST 12, 1986
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Yes, on behalf of the Board, I would like to offer
congratulations to Marguerite and Jay Schondebare who will be celebrating their
sixteenth---! don't know how many years---their anniversary on the 16th~of this
month. Congratulations-- How many years may i ask?
MARGUERITE-SCHONDEBARE: Seventeen years.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: ! knew it all the time.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's a good thing your wife was there to tell. Congratulations.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: That's true. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Yes, i have still a problem with something we
discussed this afternoon, and it's this letter that came with reference to all these
association people asking for a public meeting in order that all concerns may be
heard about water supply. It's directed to the Town Board. Who's going to answer
it and how are we going to answer these people? ! think at least if we're not going
to act we should at least let them know what's going on and each of one them should
be notified.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Paul, can I answer' that? This petition caused a bit of
concern today, because we weren't sure exactly where it came from and what
the people were actually asking for. So i took the time to contact three people
who were signers of this petition today, and I asked them specifically how we
could respond to this, and it seems that they are very interested in talking directly
to the Town Board and the Suffolk County Water Authority, and these are three of
the 13 people. They would like to talk to the Suffolk County Water Authority just
to find out basically what are the pros and cons of having the Su~ffolk County Water
Authority in our area. And I told these three representatives of three civic groups
that I will get back to them. I intend f~lly to first, number one, get permission
from the Town Board to do this, and number two, try to set a date with the ~;:uffolk
County Water Authority to make themselves available. A copy of ali of that w~l
be sent to every one of the signers on this petition and any other petition, although
re curious about his. i'm sure that this will get
. ~; we had 1700 people that a ........ ~ '11 ~et a letter directly from .me
;n *he oa~)ers, but there are ~.3 p_~ P .... ~ ,,,~en this will be estabhshe
Thank you.
COUNCILMAN, STOUTENBURGH: Are you saying that you are going to contact each
one of these?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Yes, I am, Paul.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: And you are going to read them this letter, or are
you going to say just that the Suffolk County Wa'ter Authority is involved, because
the way I read this ......
COUNCILMAN PENNY: I just told you what I'm going to tell them.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: That's what l'm trying to say. That this letter
says more than that.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: The people told me---three signers of this letter cleared up
some of the misapprehension-
COUNCILMAN ~TOUTENBURGH: Who were the signers of the letter that you contacte(
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Excuse me?
STOUTENBURGH: Who were the ones you contacted?
I conta~d
PENNY: I will discuss that at a time in the future, Paul.
people tonight. You don't believe me?
STOUTENBURGH: I iust asked who they were, George.
PENNY: I contacted three people on here, and they---
Is there something wrong with saying who you
Then who were they?
......... ~ sioners of this letter.
EDWARD SIEGMANN: I was one of the people that was contacted today. I'll tell you
exactly what was asked of me and what ! answers. I asked if I signed that petition
for the Mattituck Senior Citizens? What did I have in mind? What did I expect to
get at that meeting? I told him, number one, that our people were interested in
hearing both sides of the argument from the people of our Town Board, telling us
what is good about bringing in the Suffolk Water Supply, and what is bad about
bringing in the Suffolk Water Supply. Was then asked who did i---no, I said then
after that discussion took place I would expect to have the floor open for questions
that people could ask and get answers to the questions that's on their mind. I was
asked who did I expect to answer these questions? I said anybody that could
answer them, including the Suffolk County Water Supply, and I told Councilman
Penny .... he asked me if i would give him a note stating that that's what was in
my mind at the time that I signed that petition, and I said I would give it to him.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: May I ask the question, would it be limited to only
the Suffolk Cdunty Water Authority?
EDWARD SIEGMANN: Oh, no, anybody that wants to answer the questions can
answer them, because i'11 tell you, we're very concerned in our area with that
Carr situation, because Carr said he's going to put in a water district up there.
If he puts a water district there we have a lot of questions to ask. Who's running
this water district? If our wells are contaminated after he does this, who is going
to be responsible for it? If there's a charge, how much are the people going to be
expected to pay? All of these questions we want answered because the thing happens'
to be active in our area right now where we'll be affected by it, and I think the
people deserve the answers to these things, and they also deserve, an answer to
what's good about bringing in the Suffolk Water Supply, and what's bad about
bringing it in. I don't know a hell of a lot about the water supply, but maybe
somebody can enlighten me to whether it's good or bad, and what the cost is going
to be, because that's very important to the people in that area.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Would you want to know any alternatives to the
water supply?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDERARE: When you say water supply, are you talking about
the Water Authority?
EDWARD SIEGMANN: if anybody, at that meeting can point out to us, who feel we're
going to have the problem, that there's a better way to. handle it, or that something
else can be done. You know, we're very concerned about the remarks that were made
by some people on the Board, who when you people discussed the Suffolk County
Water Supply coming in, we were told that the Water Supply does not control the
zone that is given to those people in that area, that this will be controlled by the
Board. Well, we're very anxious to see if this is true. Since we know that that's
a very sensitive area over there where we live, we know that there are wells that
have salt water in them now, we want to see if, for an expression, to put your money
where your mouth is. Are they going to control this by setting up the proper zones
in these area, giving them the type that should protect the people in the area, or
aren't they? This is a very simple way to answer it, with the problem that we have
in Mattituck on this particular proposition. This is why we would like the meeting,
and that's what we're interested in. We don't care who gives us the answers.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ed, just for the record, would you just clarify--when you
say Suffolk County Water Supply, I believe you mean Suffolk County Water Authority?
EDWARD SIEGMANN: Yes.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, thank you.
COUNCILMAN. PENNY: Thank you, Ed.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: All right, Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: No, I don't think it's quite all right. I think the
problem that we're having here is that it looks like the problem I saw in East Hampton,
and I hate to keep going back to this. There were two or three motel/condo organizatio
that required water. They were way out into an area that had salt water intrusion.
They couldn't get good water, so they asked the Suffolk County Water Authority to
come in. So should you people have trouble with you~ water, you could very well
ask Suffolk County Water Authority to come in and correct your problem, and therefore
there would be no need for limiting the density that you speak about. In other words,
Suffolk County Water Authority can gi.ve water, and that's their obligation to give water
EDWARD SIEGMANN: I'm not concerned about us asking the Suffolk County Water
to come in. I'm concerned about the reverse thing happening. We have good wells
now, most of us. The area that's affected with the salt water now is right along the
Bay and along the creeks. If they start to pull water out for 95 condominiums, and
if that water level in our area goes down anything, it is three ways the water's going
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to come in to replace this, the two creeks and the bay~ which means that I have ~he
possibility of winding up with salt water in my well. What I'm concerned about is
the reverse of what you're saying. That Carr all of a sudden now can get himself
off the hook by saying, he'll bring the Suffolk County Water in. This is what we're
concerned about, because if they says this and does it, then the next step is that
when they start pulling the water out and it affects our wells, we're going to be told,
oh, now you can tie in to the water districl~ that's been put in up there. I want to
know how much is it going to cost me to tie in? How much is it going to cost to run
a main from Carr's property all the way down to the houses along the bay, and then
branch off of that with main lines going into the side streets? This is what we want
the answer to. I'm not concerned about us asking for it. Right now if that area were
left the way it was, if you people would follow through with what you have in your
Master Plan, that that area should be two acres. Forget about rolling over and pla~I I~
dead to Carr and letting him have his "M" zone. Tell him he's got to build by two It
acres the way everybody else in that area has to build by. And if that were to napp~,~!
and if only twenty some odd houses could be built over there, instead of 95 houses,
you wouldn't have us hollering about our water, because we figure with 27 houses,
the possibility is this won't happen to our water, but with 95 houses it is going to
happen to our water. You know, we're concerned about the amount of people that
are going to come in and draw 'out of there. If those condominiums don't sell, it's
a great investment for me to buy three of them and rent them out every summer,
with 10 and 12 and 15 people in these places pulling water. Where the devil is the
water going to come from? It's got to come from the bay and the two creeks once
that watertable goes down in that area. This is why we are interested in hearing
you people tell us in a meeting what's good about bringing the Water Supply in and
what's bad about bringing the water supply in.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Is there any alternatives?
EDWARD SIEGMANN: if there should. If you can point out an alternative to us,
where it's not going to cost us a fortune because somebody Iouses~up our well, I
think everybody's willing to listen to it. Hey, we're reasonable. We're not asking
for anything that we don't deserve. All we're asking for is give us protection of
our wells. You know that there's a problem in that area. There have.been studies
made in that area. This is not new that they know there are problems in that area.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Paul. You have anything further?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I don't think by just bringing in one organization fl
Suffolk County Water Authority, and asking questions about that, is what these ' ~
people who have signed this petition are asking for. I think they're askin~l for
different things such as alternatives that we could use besides the Suffolk County
Water Authority, and so that we do not lose control of this, and this is what we're
concerned about, that we'd now lose control of our water. Therefore, when Suffolk
County Water Authority comes in they can do just what this man is concerned about.
Very well what they please. -They do not have to consult with any governmental
agency. They~are absolutely excluded from considering us whatsoever. They do as
they want. Now, they have worked in areas down the West End where they have a
great deal of water, and they have not worked out here, where there is very limited
water~ and I'm very concerned about giving away the responsibility that is really this
Town Boards. And any way that we can work with Suffolk County Water Authority,
where we have control, I would be willing to go along, but when we don't have control,
I'm very concerned about it.
EDWARD SIEGMANN: If you're addressing those remarks to me, I'm in perfect agree-
ment with you. I'm not arguing against what you're telling me, but I think the people
~hat live in that area have to be told what is going to happen if you permit Carr to
build 95 condominiums in there, because we know something has to happen, and the
happening ~s going to be on the water.
SUPER¥1SOR MURPHY: Ray, you want to say something? ~I
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Y~es, I see another signature on this list here~ and the person ~
is present. I'm wondering if Mrs. Bergmann could give any thoughts as to why she
sign it? Thank you.
DIANE BERGMANN: I would like to just say the reason I signed it is because, like
LILCO, is that our alternative, Suffolk County Water Authority? I just don't feel--
I think there's got to be somewhere else--some other w~y to look at all the alternatives.
That is just one--you're looking at one company to buy a product from. There's got
to be others. Other prices, other offerings. I just feel that this was jumped into
without asking the people what they want. Showing us what our alternatives are.
And I feel like it was a quick jump. That's all. That's the only reason I signed it,
and I feel like we're sold down the river in Suffolk County Water Authority. There
are other alternatives. What are the pros of cons of them and the Water Authority.
That's all. The people should know.
JIJSTICE EDWARDS: Well, my only thoughts on this, when I voted for the Suffolk
County Water Authority, is at the present time they are the experts. I don't think
there's anyone else, any~ othe~ group:~ iron,his :area~.t. hat~ can produce like them. If
someone better comes along I'll be willing to listen, but at the present time I think
the Suffolk County Water Authority has a hell of lot more expertise in the matter
than the Town Board.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ray, I don't think anyone's debating or commenting on the
expertise, or how good or bad the Suffolk County Water is. I think what we're
saying is that the control---losing the control, giving it to Suffolk County Water,
and as Paul mentioned, and there's many, many more cases on the Island where once
they were in they could extend their lines wherever they wanted to for whoever paid
and for whatever price it is, and Suffolk County Wa'ter Authority is very good operators
excellent operators, but they are not going to be able to produce good water for all
the people in Southold Town. We only have the water that we have underneath us.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Exactly. We know that.
DIANE BERGMANN:
A friend of mine just
fine. Has that been
Suffolk County Water
Can I ask what is the matter with Riverhead's Water Distr~ct?
-hooked up to it. She's getting fantastic water. Everything's
looked in to? How do they know how to manage water over
Authority? This is what I think everybody should know.
JUSTICE EDWARDS:
Greenport. Why not
down in there.
Well, we had .some people today say that why not to into
get water our of Greenport. They've got a good water district
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We're not debating districts. We're talking about control.
Who's going to control where they go and you could get' anyone to operate a district.
Okay. Paul, anything further?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: I'm not sure how George is going to handle this.
He says he's going to contact each one of these people and then tell them that he
will have the Suffolk' County Water Authority here, period. And i do not think, and
according to Mrs. Bergmann, who is just one person right here, and we have another
gentleman who would like to hear more than just one side of this coin. So how can
we go ahead and let him do this and only have one person in this room to answer the
questions of the people when they want more?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Set up a series of meetings dealing with each phase.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: . The basic problem is that we're trying to interpret
whatever this petition is supposed to have meant, and it's so poorly drafted that
we're all sitting here giving our own interpretations to what it means. Frankly, I'm
willing to take the petition and give it right back to them and tell them to redraft
it, and give it to us and tell us exactly what you want.
EDWARD sIEG~ANN: The problem is is lawyers read those things and put intepretation.~
to it. If you just take the English language, what it says, you"re better off than
getting all the interpretations you get of what does it mean. It means that the people
that are sitting out there in the Town that you're representing, it means that they
would like to know what does this change mean for them? It's as simple as that.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: That's your interpretation. Thank you. That's
about the eighth interpretation that we've got as to what this thing means, but no
one up here agrees as to what it means. It's terribly drawn. It should have been
very simple. As you say, in the English language and tell us specifically what you
want. We could understand that. Not this nonsense.
EDWARD SIEGMANN: Well, if that's nonsense to you, then I'm very sorry. Then
you move up .into one of these areas that have the problem and it won't be so much
nonsense.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: It's nonsense trying to interpret it. I've got nine
intepretations as to what it means. This Board should simply read a document and
say this is what they want and let's do it.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: And since nothing is being accomplished, can we again
put this on the agenda for the next Board meeting and discuss it at the Work Session?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: At the Work Session. Would ~ou hold off, George, until we---
COUNCILMAN PENNY: I can't do anything for the next Work Session. My intent
was, and Ed was going to send me a letter, and two of the other representatives of
groups were going to send letters, or specifically Arthur Avedon of the Seniors
group in Southold, and Harry Schwerdt are going to send me also letters that
have acknowledged the fact there was some confusion in this, and the reason that
they wanted to do this is they wanted to find out what they're getting into, and I
said the Town Board cannot answer for the Suffolk County Water Authority, we will
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ask the Suffolk County Water Authority to come in here and these people will answer
the questions; and they were very happy with that.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: George, would it be all right if ! contacted the
remainder of these people and ask them what their opinions were?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: This is 'ridicUlous. You got one Board member
checking up on what the other Board member is doing, because the one Board
member doesn't like what the other Board member is doing. You're grown men
and women, for crying out loud. Take the darn petition, send it back to them
and tell them, listen, do it over. This is absolute nonsense.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Leave women out of it, please.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Grown men.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Thank you.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: One doesn't trust the other one to make a darn
phone call.
EDWARD SIEGMANN: This is no more nonsense than the argument over the
Town fur~niture for crying out loud.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I agree with you on that.
EDWARD SIEGMANN: It's nonsense stories, because you're teaching us the nonsense.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I agree. This Board is an absolute disgrace sitting
up here saying I'm not going to trust you to make a phone call.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Now wait a minute. Wait a minute, Jay. I say
the interpretation that the person gives ....
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Frank, can we put this on the agenda at the next !~
meeting and continue the discussion. Nothing positive is being produced here.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: think we all ought to meet together at the same
time and each one have a phone in their hand so you can listen to see what each
one's saying.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: I'll get in the letters, Paul.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Let's hold it until the next Work Session, Paul?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: That there will:--wait a minute, I want to find
out if we're going to---we're not going to do anything, right, George?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: We're meeting at the next Work Session. Paul, I can't
set a meeting on my own.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Without Board authority.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: I'm not God.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH:
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE:
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
COUNCILMAN PENNY:
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
public. Is there anyone would like to address the Town BOard? Mr. Carlin.
FRANK CARLIN: Frank Carlin from Laurel. Frank, I haven't noticed any bids
in the paper for the animal shelter as of yet. Do you know why, or is there
anything they can get for the animal shelter?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: It was in the newspapers last week, Mr. Carlin.
SUPERVISOR /vlURPHY: ! think they were first placed last week.
FRANK CARLIN: Placed last week?
I'm glad to hear that.
Jay, do you have anything further to say?
No.
George?
No, no. Nothing further.
Okay, at this time I would like to open it up to the
AUGUST 12, 1986 1 2 5
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Y.es. Tl~i~'~v~"~som~i~vi~w of the plans that made it
necessary. We actually had authorized it about two months ago.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: The bid documents are being picked up every day.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Now they're being picked up.
FRANK CARLIN: Yeah, because, you know, I don't have to remind you this
program was stopped in January. It's already eight months and you haven't
started on the building, and I'm only hoping and praying that we can get this
building completed before this winter so these poor animals won't have to go
through another cold winter like they did last year. I don't know if you're aware,
but you probably are, you've toured through the building and you know what it's
like. I don't have to show you these pictures of how these animals lived.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We know. We've been up there.
FRANK CARLIN: Okay. The problem is, you know, for me it should have been
started by now. Eight months after this project and we know we made a mistake
before, and we all make mistakes, and we start again and how to carry on and
follow up on our mistakes, but it's eight months and I think it was taking too long.
We're not building a Holiday Inn here. We're building approximately I don't think
as long as this room here, and I don't believe it's as wide as this room, with some
electric and lights. Now you might say, we'll you're up here talking with your
big mouth, what are you doing for the Animal League? What I'm doing is being
here in front of the Board representing the poor animals that can't speak, that
are there waiting to be helped. This is what I'm doing. I feel it's my share
for these poor animals, because I love animals, and I toured that area in April
and it was a disgrace to see how these animals were living, and I'm onlv hooina
and praying that it will be finished--I don't know--by the cold weather_ -so that' ~
we, you know, we don't have to push in the tape into the cassette and have it
play and say that we can't handle cement on account of cold weather, which is
nonsense, can't handle cement in the cold weather. I think the animals ought
to get a lot better than~.what they are now. Do you have any plans when you'll
start this and finish? -
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We have to have the bid documents go out. They have
to come in. They have to be evaluated. We have no idea even how they're going
to come in. I hope they come in with the money that we had sold the bond for--
authorized--because if not that's going to cause another delay before you could
award the contract. Hopefully they'll come in, they'll come in properly, and we'll
be able to award the contract right away. Hopefully then the contractor will be
a legitimate contractor who will be able to start right away and will do the job.
Hopefully before winter sets in.
FRANK CARLIN: Because the bids normally are a thirty day period, right?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: A week from Thursday the bids will be opened.
FR~ANK CARLIN: I know the State had thirty days.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They'll be opened a week from Thursday, and we have
40 days to review and accept the bids.
FRANK C^RLIN: All right. I'd like to get something else straightened out while
I'm here. I only come once a month. I don't want to give the Board the indication
that I'm always negative with everything. I give the Board credit on projects too.
Like on the veterans exempt bill, when you accepted that. Very intelligent decision.
When you rejected the airport. Very intelligent decision. So I do credit where it's
due. I'm not always negative. I'd like to get that straightened out in your minds.
I have two questions here. i don't want to take too much time. On the Southold
utility owned company. It seems that so far I can only make out that it's going to
cost twenty-three and a half million dollars, and that you're going to float bonds,
but there are some questions. I'll give them to you quick and maybe you'll be
able to ....
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Maybe if i told you there will be a public information meeting
on this sometime before the election. This is scheduled for a referendum.
FRANK CARLIN: I know that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The engineering firm has an obligation to come to Southold
Town one day and to hold an informational meeting where all of these questions can
be asked and answered.
FRANK CARLIN: Could you answer these questions now?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Oh, maybe I can.
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FRANK CARLIN: Right down the line, one, two, three.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure.
FRANK CAR~LIN: Are we going to have to require buying equipment to run this
company? 'It's going to be a company, own company, right?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Certainly.
FRANK CARLIN.~ You'll have your own ecluipment. Trucks.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure.
FRANK CARLIN: Okay.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:
FRANK CARLIN:
You're going to need a union.
Probably. Never get away without-it.
Have to maintain the power lines, right?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure.
FRANK CARLIN: I want to get these all straight in my mind. That means you
have to have people going around reading meters.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure.
FRANK CARl_IN: Have to have office people. Should have computers for sending
bills out every month. Ot~ay? Going to have trained linemen, right? Where are
you going to get the trained linemen?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: That's a little premature.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: From LILCO.
FRANK CARLIN: These are the questions that you have to ....
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: You could hire them. You would go out and hire them. ~-~
FRANK CARl_IN: Okay. That's all I want to know. I figured that it was a comp~
owned and operated, it would mean that you would maintain your trouble shooters,~
put poles up, and .....
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: There again you could contract thee service out too. There's
various alternate ways of doing it.
FRANK CARLIN: That is a big operation, though.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure it is.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: We'll probably advertise and have resumes.
FRANK CARL1N: It will make, I hope, our rates lower.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's the whole idea of it.
FRANK CARLIN: Okay, that's all I want to know.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The possibility of getting the cheap hydro electric power
under a municipal district is where the savings would come in.
FRANK CARLIN: That's the main questions, you know, would clarify in my mind. ~
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: But there will be a meeting held before the election.
referendum, ~his question will be on the ballot this election day.
FRANK CARLIN: One more thing while I'm here. It's a suggestion. Food for
thought. I mentioned it to Councilwoman Cochran about a year ago and she indicated
to me that she thought it was a good idea. Evidentally she must have forgot about
it by now.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: What is it first.
FRANK CARLIN: A simple thing. I'll say it now. It's, you know, a nice podium
would look good, could be built here. Riverhead has one and it's very handy for
people to come up here where they have paperwork or something to put on. You
hold a lot of court cases here. Lawyers are here with their paperwork. They have
no place to put it. A nice podium, with a microphone could be mounted in the center.
There could be on an angle like people could speak to you and also the people. Only
need one, and to really make it look nice you could put the Southold emblem on it.
It wouldn't cost much. Ray. Dean p~obably~could slap it together in a half a day.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ray Dean is gone.
FRANK CA. RLIN: Didn't I mention that a year ago?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I have forgotten it, yes.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'll look into it.
FRANK CARLIN: Food for thought.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure. Good idea.
FRANK CARLIN: It would be convenient. A lot of people come up and have no
place---I'm holding mine, doesn't matter. But you could put the paper up there,
whatever you had. On the court cases that are held, I know you have lawyers
up there, you have policemen up there and they have a lot of paperwork and if
you probably noticed they're doing the same as I. Okay? Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else like to address the Board? Jack?
JOHN LADEMANN: Members of the Town Board, I'd like to thank the Town Board
for the opportunity for the Consumer Affairs Department to take over the Home
Improvement. I think we'll do a good job, and i look forward to working closely
with the Building Department other than what we have been before, being that
they had their own license. Again, being a resident of the Town, I felt kind of
bad when people would call on the phone and say we can't help them. Clients
would come in and we'd say you'd have to go to the towns, that we didn't have
jurisdiction. But i think things will' change now and we'll be able to help the
people Of the Town. Another thing, aside from that, I've been a resident of the
Town all my life. I was very active in the fire service. Back, in 1973 the Town
funded a water survey. Cutchogue, Mattituck, Southold, as far as Peconic Lane.
The Town pa!d for it. There were three pumping stations proposed. Laurel Lake,
Marratooka Lake, and upon Alvahs Lane, where the domes, the best domes of water
supposedly in the Town. Has the Town followed up on that proposal which the Town
paid for, which I've never seen in the paper. This was set up with hydrants and
everything, which branches to bring it down to the different areas.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Part of the information from that ,was used by ERM-North
East for the North Fork Water Supply Study. That was used r yes.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: I have a question for Jack, Frank. When does this County
licensing take over? When does it supersede the Town license?
JOHN LADEMANN: I think that would be up---don't you have to rescind it with
the State? Department of State?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: When does this take effect, Judy?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: it will probably be filed early next week. I should have
it from the Town Attorney in a couple of days and I will mail it by Certified Mail,
Return Receipt.
JOHN LADEMANN: I'1.1 give you a card for the Commissioner. I would like you
to write a letter to the Commissioner requesting the County to take over and, like
I say, I look forward to ~working with you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: He will be sent a certified copy of this resolution. That
will be going out tomorrow.
JOHN LADEMANN: Okay.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Jack, you've mentioned a ninety-day period.
JOHN LADEMANN: Well, that's some of the things that I was thinking of, because
! would not want any contractors---work this thing in slowly. Give the guys the
time to apply.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: ~Well, should we request the ninety-day period, or is that
going to be offered to us?
JOHN LADEMANN: Like I say, if I have the opportunity to work it out, that's
what I would like to see, being I live here in the Town.
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COUNCILMAN PENNY: Well, should we request the ninety-day period.
JOHN LADEMANN: I think it would be nice.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I do too.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Your County licenses run from when to when, Jack?
JOHN LADEMANN: Well, the County licenses don't from January--every month
so many are due. It would be too much, because we have so many.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Whenever they're due they're due.
JOHN LADEMANN: As I was saying, maybe we can work something out that we
could even con~e out here so the fellows wouldn't have to travel into Hauppauge,
and we'd issue the licenses. Come out here for a couple of days, two or three
days. This thing could be worked out. That's why I'd like to have the opportunity
to work it out with you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We could set an office up ~n here for you people.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Are they picture licenses?
JOHN LADEMANN: Be the same as your electric 'license.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: You'll have to come over to the Island and take pictures over
there.
JOHN LADEMANN: We'll do that also.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: This is going to come as a shock to many contractors
within the community.
JUSTICE EDWA~RDS: Many contractors.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Because I don't think they're fully aware of what
was happening, so I would like to see it. phased in as efficiently as possible.
JOHN LADEMANN: I would like the opportunity to do that.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Thank you.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: What is~the County license?
JOHN LADEMANN: One hundred dollars. And if say a small contractor who nets
less than $10,000 a year, after the first year it's $50.00. I think the only difference
between our law and the Town law was that the amendment was put in for fellows that
do tree work, landscapers, because they get involved in patios, retaining walls, and
so forth.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yes, I'm glad that's cleared up. I asked you that
before, Jack. We agreed that whatever exceptions that we have in our Town Code
are also exceptions that you have in the County Code, except for the landscapers.
JOHN LADEMANN: The Town law was copied after the County law.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, anyone else like to address the Town Board at this
time? (No response.) If not, I think a motion to adjourn is in order.
Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 9:05 P.M.
Vote of l~he Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Counci
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.