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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-08/06/1986-FI95 SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD FISHERS ISLAND AUGUST 6, 1986 The Southold Town Board, along with elected and appointed officials of the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, and State of New York, departed from Claudio"s Dock, Greenport, at 9:00 A.M., Wednesday, August 6, 1986, aboard the M/V Munnatawket for their annual trip to Fishers Island. The boat arrived at 11:15-A.M. at Fishers Island. 11:30 A.M. - Town Board members: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy, Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh, Councilman James A. Schondebare and Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran, along with Town Clerk Judith T. Terry, Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker, Building Inspector Curtis'Horton, Electrical Inspector Joseph Kubacki, Health Depart- ment representative Robert Villa, and Fishers Island Wasterwater Facilities building contractor Pat Walsh, met with Michael A. Horne, P.E., Henry Souther Engineering, Inc. for a presentation of the Fishers Island Wastewater Facilities Project. This meeting was held at the Fishers Island School. (Councilman George L. Penny IV was absent from this Fishers Island trip - on vacation.)---Mr. Horne reviewed the history of the project, which began in 1974, through the present time, with the project substantially completed. He described the major elements of the system: Community Subsurface Disposal System, Pump Station, Cinema System, Cottage System, and Outfali Connection and Forcemain. The cost of construction for this project is $463,888.00. Funding for the eligible parts of the project, with the exception of the storm sewer reconstruction, is 85% Federal share, 7.5% State share, and 7.5% being paid by FIDCO. The project is considered innovative/alternative. The following work remains: (1) Contractor must complete punch list items and provide service for the project (pump station) for one and one-half years after acceptance of the facility. (2) An Operation and Maintenance Manual must be completed per New York State D.E.C. requirements, i (3) A Plan of Operation must be completed. (4) A User Charge System developed. (5) Preparation of a One Year Certification for D.E.C. approval. (6) Assistance to the Town in closing out the project. 12:15 P.M. - Lunch was served at dock side. REGULAR MEETING 1:00 P.M. - A R..egular Meetin~l of the Southold Town Board was held on Wednesday, August 6, 1986 at the Fishers Island School, Fishers Island, New York. Supervisor Murphy opened the meeting at 1:00 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Present: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy Justice_Raymond W. Edwards Councilman Pau l_-'~toutenb.u~-gb~_. Councilman James..A. , Schond'ebare Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker Absent: Councilman George L. Penny IV Also in attendance: Town of Southold elected and appointed officials, Village of Greenport Board, numerous elected and,appointed~$tate:and County officials. 6 AUGUST 6, 1986 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. It's goo~l to be over'here on Fishers-Island agairiii-and~:l'm glad'you had a nice da~. for us. The boat ride was great, i would like to say we do have--for anyone who didn't get a copy the agenda is up here, also a list of various State and County departments and people who are here. There is some Board of Election literature up here that you could look at after, and if you would like to speak to anyone in particular, come up here after the meeting, or address them and any department in the Town, County or State government that's represented here and the people would be glad to answer. I would like to just recognize two very special people over here. One is our State Assemblyman, a good Southold man, Joe Sawicki, and thank him for coming. And also a very good friend of $outhold Town, our County Comptroller Joe Caputo. Okay, our first order of business is a resolution to set the next meeting date for August 12, 1986, 7:30 P.M., Southold Town Hall. Moved by COuncilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was RI:SOLVED that the next Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board will be held at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, August 12, 1986, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. I. REPORTS. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: At this time I would like to ask the Councilmen if they have anything to report on, and just to really basically to say "hello" to everyone. Starting with~ Jay Schondebare. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I ~W~nI to thank you once again for having us back on your lovely Island. It's always a pleasure to be here. And as I say, every time I come back here you must be very happy because we never receive any complaints. So if you have any today is 'your day and your opportunity and please let us know. Thank you. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Paul? COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH; Yes, thank you, Frank Again I'd like to say At s race to be here, parhcularly on the Island, hav.ng sa.led here and stayed ,n ~ hour harbor many, many times, I surely appreciate this lovely spot you have here, fl I and I've read over, by the way, your Association's Annual Report, and when I rea~L~d it over it 'seemed like you people have some of the problems we've had We have new sewer systems and you people are just going through the trial of it now. You've got problems with housing that you'd like to have for your year-around people. You cherish your privacy just as we..do and we kind of hate to see the touri's~ taking over our area, yet in our particular case it's an important part of our economy, So we have many things in common, and we surely feel close to Fishers Island. Thank you. SUPERVISOR M~0-RPHY: Thank you. Jean? COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Y, es, I would like to say once again it's nice .to be here on Fishers Island. I sometimes'feel that we do not have a full line of communicatior because we seem to see you people only once a year. If we're lucky, then twice a year. We do rely greatly on Councilman Edwards to keep the line of communication open. I also did read your Fishers Island Civic Association Report and I had two questions that perhaps someone can answer for me. I notice that you received a federal grant to study the water supply on the Island, and I wondered if that had begun yet, or if it---yes? ,JOHN THATCHER: Jean, we haven't received it definitely. We haven't applied for At yet. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Oh, I thought the way the report--- JOHN THATCHER: It just passed within the last month and a half. You know how slow federal things move, but we are strongly interested in it and we will be work- ing with the Town of Southold in trying to get a water study on Fishers Island. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Good. Thank you. And the other thing that came to mind as I read the report from the School District, I notice that Fishers Island School District has built a line of communication with Southampton, and as I read it I thought it might be interesting, and if I can be of any service in this direction to perhaps begin to build lines of communication between your school district and those on the mainland in Southold Town proper. Aside from that, once again, thank you for letting us join you today. Thank you, Frank. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Jean. Judge Edwards? AUGUST 6, 1986 97 JUSTICE EDWARDS: I just want to say "welcOme'' to the people f~:om the State and County and it's usually a very extremely busy day for me and busy morning getting things going here, and I want to say "welcome" to the Town Board also and let's hope we can have another gather in the fall out here, Frank. Thank you. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, sir. Okay, Councilman Penny is sorry he couldn't make it. He's on vacation this week, otherwise he would be here also. Under my report I would just like to briefly go through several things that the Town really was in, and involved in. on Fishers Island, and if you have any questions after fine bring them up. I would like to first--and I'm sorry I left him out--the first time in a long time the Village of Greenport officials are here with us and we're very glad to have them, and you people might be interested in talking to---Mayor' George Hubbard is here, Gall Horton, a Trustee, and Nancy Cook, their Village Clerk is also here, and I think some people on Fishers Island might be interested in talking to Village officials to see exactly how their government works and maybe the two of you could work together. One of the big things we were involved in this spring, in particular in the summer so far, was working with John Thatcher on the mosquito control problems and we were very happy--yesterday we finally got our permit number and Joe Sanzone from Vector Control, whorls over.here today has worked very hard also and I'd like to thank him. I don't think anyone here would have been here today if Avenue B drainage wasn't done. Avenue B drainage is done. It's working very well, and from the reports we have that the people are very satisfied. Our Highway SuPerintendent Ray Jacobs, who's new in the job this year, is very busy and is. very sorry he couldn't attend today, but he did send over his old stand-by, former Highway Superintendent Ray Dean, and Ray is here so I'm sure he's happy Avenue B is done too. JUSTICE EDWARDS: That's why'~he came-~over. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ray said that his priorities over here are not so much in road surfacing--he felt the roads were in pretty good shape and he'd rather spend his money and efforts this fall in replacing quite a bit of sidewalk that has to be done. The airport--the resurfacing of the airport was done this year and also we had a meeting today and we're just about a hundred percent complete on your Scavenger Waste District over here. There still is a punch list on it but this should be resolved and we should stop major pollution of the Sound. The lobster problems--Joe Sawicki and representatives from the D.E.C. met today and they're going on a tour later on to actually see these areas, and I thank John.and his committee again for bringing this to our attention and thanking Joe and his people for coming over here and giving the people the time. Fishers~ Island Electric is very much of a concern to the people here, and it's one that we have talked about on the mainland. One of the big things, that was decided, really, and what I think the feelings of the Town Board is, that to sit down--the Electric Utility and the Association who represents most of the people here--to sit down' and come up with a price and me talking to one of the stockholders felt that they're interested in selling, yes, only if it's going to be a savings for the people, and their concern is that with the increased debt service that it might not really be a savings in the long run and the people would be hurt and they're very much concerned about mainly the year-around residents on Fishers Island. So this is where it's at. If something was to be done further--if the Town Board should act, we could definitely put another resolution on and continue on with the study if the people here feel this is the way we should be going. Okay, I would like to thank and mention the cooperation of the various County and State agencies, many who have worked over the_ year. The Health Department, Vector Control, the Cooperative Education System, the State Department of Transportation. The State Motor Vehicle has been very helpful in coming back over here to Fishers Island, saving you people a lot of problems and added expenses, and this is one of the good things that I feel comes out of this meeting and inviting public officials over, is that they're made aware of the specific problems you have over here. Many departments--State Police have done a tremendous job here in cooperation with the people in the Town r and I appreciate it as well as all of our Town departments, I think have gone out of their way to help the people on Fishers Island, if there is anything we could do at any other time, please let us know. I'd like to thank the Ferry District for their many services over this last year. They've done a tremendous job, and also for proving the ferry for us to get over here today. And also the Civic Association who has worked very hard giving input into the Town for our Master Plan. We hope to have our Master Plan adopted fairly soon. We hope to be going out on the Environ- mental Impact Statement on it, and hopefully within a short period of time we could get it adopted and I think the solution working with people on Fishers Island that we came up with on zoning will be taken care of. Unfortunately the law that had also asked to change in the State did not get through both houses, but it will be reintroduced again next year and hopefully it will go through at that time. I think it was iust a misunderstanding on the bill that caused it to fail. I'd like to thank Harry Ferguson for his two years of work on the committee, and also Doctor Roy for the use of the school today. 8 AUGUST 6, 1986 Iil. COMMUNICATIONS. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'll move on to Communications on our agenda. 1. From the Civic Association. A thank-you letter to the Town Board from Harry Ferguson for the cooperation and it certainly has gone both ways. 2. From the Fishers Island Ferry District concerning dolphin replacement. The Ferry District wrote to Assemblyman Sawicki and Ken Lavalle, State Senator Ken LaValle and we also have now written to the State D.O.T., Jim Kozloski· the Director of Planning, to have this included and maybe with the three efforts we will get some help over here for the dolphins. V. RESOLUTIONS. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, moving on to Resolutions. If anybody wants to-- the policy we have in Southold, anyone who wants to talk on a resolution can at this time. Any other people who want to comment to the Town Board will do so after the resolutions. You have the agenda. Is there anyone who wants to say anything on the resolutions-? (No response.) If. not, we'll move ahead on Number 1, and it's to set a salary. Moved by' 'Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, WHEREAS, Provisional Building Inspector Angelo Accardo has satisfactorily completed three months of employment with the Town as of July 1, 1986, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ~lrants An~telo Accardo a salary increase from $18,000.00 to $22,360.00, effective July 1, 1986, per CSEA Contract for that position. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any questions? (No response.) 1.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number. 2 is to Close a Town road. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh; it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby declares that V.i!lage Lane, Orient, between Orchard :Street and Fletcher Street (approxi.mat~ly 1,000 feet], shall be closed between the hours of 12 Noon and 3:00 P.M. on Au[lust 9, 1986, and grants permission to the Oysterponds Historical Society to use same for a re-enactment of a resolutionary battle which will take place between the site of the Oysterponds Historical Society and Poquatuck Park, provided they secure and maintain the proper insurance to hold the Town of Southold harmless. 2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution-was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 3 is to postpone a grievance procedure process. 3. Moved by Councilman Schondebare, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, .it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ~trants a two week postponement of the cjrievance procedure proce, pp, .to Au~lust 11, 1986, as requested by Paul D. Grattan with respect to the g,rievance of John Goodwin. 3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR M~URPHY: Number 4 is to proclaim~Kenyon Tuthill Day in the Town of Southold. Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by the Entire Town Board, WHEREAS,' POLICE OFFICER KENYON TUTHILL, a most dedicated member of the"~t/] Suffolk County Police Department and a highly respected resident of the Town of Southold, suffered critical gunshot wounds during a police action on May 27, 1986; and WHEREAS, POLICE OFFICER KENYON TUTHILL has been faithfully serving all residents of Suffolk County since January, 1975; and WHEREAS, OFFICER TUTHILL's record of accomplishment and professionalism have added to the right traditions of the Town of Southold and its people and he thereby deserves our gratitude and best wishes for a full recovery from his wounds, now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby declares AUGUST 29, 1986 as KENYON TUTHILL DAY in the Town of Southold in recognition of this fine Suffolk County Police Officer, and be it further RESOLVED that this proclaimation shall be made a part of the permanent records of the Town of Southold and a copy be presented to OFFICER TUTHILL. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I don't think we have to say anything more except to-- AUGUST 6, 1986 9 9 I don't think we could do enough for this young man who's really going to be hurt for many, many years and his family suffered quite a--he and his entire family suffered quite a tragedy, and it is good to report that he is making progress but it's very slow and it's going to be a long and expensive time. 4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And Number 5 is to declare us lead agency. 5. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby declares itself lead agency in regard to the State Environmental Quality Review Act in the matter of the Southold Town (STOP) Stop Throwing Out Pollutants Program to be held on September 6, 1986, at the Southold Town Landfill Site, Cutchogue, New York. 5.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, that's the end of the resolutions. At this time i would like to open up the meeting to any residents that would like to address any member, of the Town Board, or any of the various officials that we have here. I'm sure there are some concerns 'with the Town. KENNETH EDWARDS: I just don't like to agree with the Highway Superintendent, but ! think some of our roads are really starting to break up right now. I'd like to request that the Superintendent of Highways takes a second look at the Town roads. We have a big~ influx of trucks on the Island--heavy trucks and a lot of our Town roads are breaking up and I'd like to personally see him come over and take a look at them before he spends the money on the sidewalks. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I think he fully intends to be over here this fall, Ken. We've been over several times I know, just even while that Avenue B drainage was going on. Ray will be over. i'm not saying that he was cutting it out, I'm just saying his big priority would be sidewalks this year--this fall. I'm sorry. KENNETH EDWARDS: I misunderstood you. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, sir. ED SCROXTON: As a member of the Highway Department on Fishers Island, I'd like to state that sidewalks are diddly squat. There are more important things that need to be taken dare, such as the roads, which Mr. Edwards mentioned, and many other things that~are safety factors, such as the cleaning and cutting back of bushes, trees, and my request is what would be the proper steps to enter into the budget the opening of a third position for a man on Fishers Island? For the work that we are required here is approximately three to five times more per man on Long Island. We have more roads to maintain as far as intersections are concern, turn-arounds, everything. It's iust crazy with what I have for a list to maintain and to keep up, with only a crew of two. Part-time help has been offered to me in the summertime, of a man of minimum of sixteen years old at $5.00 an hour, which is totally out of the question. It's just impossible. I've gotten a couple of let's say "possibilities" which I have not been able to make any contact on for the past three weeks, which I'm assuming is dead and gone now. Which was the first in about three years just to get one possible applicant to abide by those certain guidelines. Like I say, what would be the situation of entering into the budget .... SUPERVISOR MURPHY: ED SCROXTON: I have. would suggest you talk to your boss. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And he will consider it in his budget. Definitely, yes. And I know he is aware of trying to hire someone over here and would like to, but he's stuck with salary scales on that side of the Island too. But work with him. He'll help you. He's a very good man. Very capable, and he Jill work with you, but you're going to have to talk with him on it. Okay? Thank you. Anyone else? Sir. BRAD BURNHAM, Fish~ers~ Island Civic Association: A resolution at the May meeting indicating that they would like to have the Town continue the Beck Study to include Fishers Island, which in turn would help the Utility Company to make some determination of whether they would be interested in going through with a municipal electric company. We would like to have that study. I think it would be helpful to them. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, I told John Clavin before that we would put it on at our next meeting and have a discussion on it. There will be a resolution. 100 AUGUST 6, 1986 13RAD BURNHAM: Thank you. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure. Yes, ma'am. MARION OSI3ORN: Hay Harbor used to have what amounted to a natural channel __big boat ._in there, and the hurricane of '38 broke through the-~nd of Stony Beach and the whole place has become a rather yucky, mucky mess. I was just wondering is this is something that the Town should look into, or is this Army Corps of Engineers? How do we go about getting this natural channel restored so the water circulates? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Whose water is that, Ray? Is it Town waters? JUSTICE EDWARDS: No, it's State--County. County could dredge it. The County has dredged West Harbor .before. West Harbor is about ready to need dredging again. It's been what, about ten, twelve years I think that the County dredged---or it was dredged. MARION OSBORN: The conditions in there are pretty ~/u~..ck~_y, particularly down bY the sailing club. it's all silted in. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, Dick LaValle from the County Department of Public Works engineers is here and he'll bring back to their dredging man, John Guldi, and we'll see if we could get John over here with a crew to do some studies on it. If you would give your phone number to the Town Clerk, when John comes we'll contact you. Okay? When you're here. I'm not sure--I can't make a commitment for John Guldi when he can come over, but--- MARION OSBORN: Well, I'm not the only one concerned with Hay Harbor. Thank you. DICK LaVALLE: You might want to write a letter to the Commission just outling the problem and asking for our assistance. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Maybe that would be the better way to start it. Have the Civic Association send a letter in to the Commissioner. DICK LaVALLI=: Send it through the Town .... SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Send it to me and we'll send it on to the Commissioner of Public Works. Get it from the Civic Association, not just one person. that be satisfactory. MARION OSBORN: Whatever. Okay? Would SUPERVISOR MURPHY: John? JOHN THATCHER, Fishers Island Conservancy: Marion Osborn's question is just one that has a bearing on-the environment and as' President of the Fishers Island Conservancy I've had at least, six questions addressed to me in the last few days dealing with various aspects of environmental regulations and law, and as I am not really qualified to answer, much less give advice on this matter, I wanted to address the Town Board in one particular area. Would it be feasible--and again I'd like to pose this question, for the Town Board to either give extra training or additional knowledge to someone on this Island who could answer environmental questions of that nature, particularly our Constables do a wonderful iob--I know them both, I like them both, but they do not currently have environmental training of the nature that ! think the Island is beginning to come to. Day after day I get questions on housing. I get questions on wetlands. I get questions on water of various natures, and it would be such a help if we had someone right here who could answer these questions without a two month delay going to the D.E.C., which is as you know overworked and understaffed, and without going to Southold. so that's the question,_ Frank, I'd lik~ to pose to the Town Board. If it could either arrange for someone here to take that environmental job or to give additional training to our constables so that. they could answer these questions authoritatively, I think it would be a gre~,~J help to the whole Island. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: You want to make a comment, Paul2 COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: The comment I'd like to make is that we have two members--or three members here, one from the Conservation Advisory Council of our Town, and the Town Trustees, who deal 'with this problem continually. They, every year, hold a sort of annual get-together of these people, in which the problems are discussed and rules and regulations are thrashed back and forth. This might be the ideal time for your man to come over and set with these. Marty Garrell is one of them and John Bredemeyer, and Jeff Goubeaud are the other, right in our audience here, and so maybe--- JOHN THATCHER: I'll be happy to talk to them after the meeting. AUGUST 6, 1986 COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: it. 101 You might speak with them after- the meeting on JOHN THATCHER: I'd be very happy to do it. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'd be happy to work with the Trustees and our Conservation Advisory would work very close. Okay? JOHN THATCHER: Marvelous. Yes. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: it's a good idea, John. I think it's a long time coming. Should have it. JOHN THATCHER: I talked to Justice Edwards about it. I think everyone is in some sort of agreement that we need something here. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure. Anyone else? Yes, sir. MARTIN SCOTT: i live in the Fort. The road that runs in front of" is becoming unglued because of the weeds growing at the edge.of the curb in the road. Now i cut the stuff in front of my house, but someone's going to have to get in there and kill the weeds or you're going to lose the road. Those weeds are big. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, we'll bring it back. Any other questions? Yes, ma'am ? MARION OSBORN: ! have a question. I have a mooring permit down in West Harbor for a boat. I wonder what the rules and regulations are for that. When they first invented it all I got was a form to allow as to how I was to pay money and I should own a boat. I don't know what my rights are. JUSTICE EDWARDS: John Clavin can answer that. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ray, do you want to comment first on it and then John? JUSTICE EDWARDS: John Clavin can answer that. JOHN CLAVIN~:- I'm not sure what the question is. Regulations are unclear. We have permits required for all moorings in the Harbor to try to maintain the Harbor in an orderly fashion, putting certain types of boats in certain classifications--day boats on one area, large boats in another area. We currently have 90 permits. The only additional permits in the last couple of years has been day boats for the yacht club. The permit fees are based on the size of the boats and whether you are a resident or a non-resident of Fishers Island. MARION osB~ORNi: My mooring is apparently down there and I can't find it. JOHN CLAVIN: Well, as far as the Town is concerned, when we issue the permits we designate the location for the mooring, but we don't handle moorings at all. That's the boat owner's responsibility and Pirates Cove does most of them on the Island, but a lot of people do their own. ! know that your mooring is down. I don't know why it went down. I know where it was, or approximately where it was, and I know Steve Malinowski, standing right behind you, if you ever need a diver. He's the only one I know that's qualified to go look for the mooring. But that would not be a Town responsibility. MARION OSBORN: people to use it? I find it? Why is it part of those rules and regulations to allow other What are the rights of somebody else using my mooring should JOHN CLAVIN: Well, when we send the application out every year we have the question, "Do you allow anybody else to use your mooring?" just to determine what your requirements are. But if you have a mooring and you have a boat for that mooring and you're not going to be using the mooring for a certain period of time you can let somebody else use the mooring. However, if you don't have a boat, you don't have a mooring. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, ma'am. CHERRIE RAFFERTY: It occurred to me when you say a "non-resident", John, does that mean anyone from any other state? Or do you just mean a summer resident, who's a non-resident? Whom is allowed to put up a mooring? JOHN CLAVIN: Well, we don't have any more mooring space available at the present time, but to answer your question, anyone who applies for a mooring would presently go on the waiting list. Does that answer your question? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: John, I think she's asking who a resident is and who's a non-resident. CHERRIE RAFFERTY: Who qualifies? JOHN CLAVIN: A resident has been a taxpaying resident who owns a piece of property on Fishers Island would be constituted as a resident.. Not a summer rentor. CHERRIE RAFFERTY: Not just somebody coming in with a boat and are allowed to spend the summer here on their boat. JOHN CLAVIN: Oh, no. Oh, no. SUPERVISOR .~M_URPHY: Okay, any other questions, concerns? Yes, sir? JOHN WELL: Driver's Education Teacher, Fishers Island School, and resident. I thank the Board for the-work on Avenue B and hope it will ~inally end up being completed and nicely paved. It's a long project and I'm glad to see that it's pretty much taken care of. I do have an other issue to address. One again with the roads. I have noticed also that the roads are in need of repair. There is a lot of the roads where rocks have managed to come up to the surface, and I've noticed that the slurry just does not seem to make it, and what I would suggest is that at some point we get one of those machines over here that actually reconstructs the road. Breaks up the old blacktop and reconstructs the road, repaves it, so that maybe rather than having it slurried every couple of years, we could get some high quality roads with the proper pitch: And the other thing I would ask about is what is the possibility of having some of the regulatory signs on our roads that are either down and have never been replaces, or in poor repair, how do we go about having those signs put back up? We have a number of very dangerious traffic situations, and in fact when we gave road tests this year I had to actually take out the person in charge of the road test to show them which were the on-way streets, because they are so poorly marked. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: ! would suggest again that you contact the Highway Super- intendent's rep over here, or if not contact Mr. Jacobs himself. MR. WELL: He w(~Id handle that? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure, definitely. We have people over here. We have two people working. MR. WELL: Have the roads ever been evaluated for the current traffic flow to establish the need for new signs and the replacements of old signs? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I believe there was a study, Ray, for our five years ago on the upgrading of signs? RAYMOND C. DEAN: Yes, we had a survey done about five years ago. They made recommendations of what had to be done. You should have kno~vn that Judge. JUSTICE EDWARDS: What's that, Ray? I'm sorry. RAYMOND DEAN: You should have known that and you could have answered his questions. JUSTICE EDWARDS: There was a survey done. There's a list of all the road signs that were going to be--the road names that were going to be replaced, but that's as far as it got. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We're talking about different things than that, Ray. We'r-- talking about stop, yield, speed signs, one way. Yes, Don? DON PAGEL: From the State Transportation Department. Regarding that survey that people are talking about. There was a grant that came out a few years ago and the whole. Town was evaluated. This question did come up at last years meeting out here about the signs, and i did report back to people in Town and to the High- way Superintendent that the results were that the funds that were available in the grant were used pa~itially for consultants who did a study throughout the Town, including Fishers Island, on what had to be replaced, and what had to be added. It was broken up into four units. All the signs on the mainland, which were Unit 1, 2 and 3 were replaced. There was no money to replace the signs in-Unit 4, Fishers Island. The recommendations were done and they are left up to your own Town Highway Department to replace anything that was on the list or added. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We'll get the list out. Okay. Anyone else? Yes, ma'am. AUGUST 6, 1986 MARION OSBORN: across. Is there any sort of load limit as to what tru~ks can come 103 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, there is. MARION OSBORN: Do they enforce it? COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Are you talking about the load limit on the ferry or limits on the roads? MARION OSBORN: Roads. JUS,TI,CE EDWARDS: Eighty thousand pounds. MARION OSBORN: I see some mighty big trucks coming by. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Get your State Police to put in a portable scale and use it couple of days and see what you have. You have a scale? JUSTICE EDWARDS: We've got a scale. A scale right here. COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Enforce it, SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Do you feel they're over 40,000 pounds? MARION OSBORN: I can't guess, i don't know. But I know--- SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Forty tons is quite heavy, though. Maybe we'll have our constable check our ferry scales to see what they weigh. MARION OSBORN: I'd be interested. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, ma'am. CHERRIE RAFFERTY: I have one question for you that has something to do with transportation. Is there a limit to the age a child can ride a bicycle on the street? We're ail. worried to death about cars hitting bicycles and it doesn't matter whether there's a sidewalk there or not. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Dan, is there any law? CHIEF OF POLICE WINTERS: I know of no law. The law says they're not supposed to be on the paved portion of the highway. CHERRIE RAFFERTY: What's a highway? CHIEF OF POLICE WINTERS: The roadway where cars travel, that portion. And under their parent's supervision certainly. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else? Yes. Steve. STEVE MALINOWSKI: It's my understanding that no too long ago the Town Board instituted a bed and breakfast program, as well as a program whereby people could rent out a space in their house, both of whom would stimulate your tourist industry. We don't rely on tourist industry on Fishers Island. My question is, what kind of impact do you think that's going to have on our Island. How will requests to that program be viewed by the Town Board? COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: The Accessory Apartment Law is the one that you just referred to about an extra room in your house. I think it's been on the books now maybe about a year and I believe I seen one application in all the Town of Southold. I haven't seen any with regards to Fishers Island. The bed and breakfast is brand new. I think we've gotten two applications. It goes to our ZBA. Both of them in the Town of Southold. i haven't seen any on Fishers Island. STEVE MALINOWSKI: What will happen when one for Fishers Island comes in? COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Goes to the ZBA and will be processed like everyone else. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: There would be a hearing on it--- COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: There would be a public hearing. The purpose of putting it through the ZBA is to give notice to the adjacent owners that your neighbor is planning on having a bed and breakfast operation and if you have any questions come on down to the ZBA. That's what we've done. 104 AUGUST 6, 1986 STEVE MALINOWSKI: If the landowners are not in favor of it thin it won't be granted ? COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: No, no, no, no. You don't have a ~eto. What you have is a right to be advised and if'you can come forward and_show that in some detrimental way your property is going to be adversely affected or some other conditions to the health, safety and welfare of the community at large is a problem because of this, then you come down and say it. But just because you have notice doesn't necessarily mean that you can come down and say "no" and it's therefore denied. STEVE MALINOWSKI: Would an application from Fishers different light than an application for Southold? Island be viewed in a COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: I don't see why. The Supervisor just said, there~'~ might be a problem trying to have-the public hearing, if you're an adjacent home- owner, it's worth it to the applicant to get over to the Town Hall to attend the ZBA hearing, but maybe the adjacent homeowners don't feel like going over. So we might have to worry about that when the time comes. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: If we get an application we might schedule the public hearing over here. I think it would only be fair. COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Otherwise you'd all go to the expense of having to come over. We'll have to check with the Town Attorney and we'll have to work that one out. We expected a lot of problems. There's all sorts of opinions that the Accessory Apartment Law was going to open up the Pandora's Box and cause havoc throughout the Township and it has failed to materialize. So bed and break- fast we'll have to wait and see. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else? CHERRIE RAFFERTY: We're under the C-1 classification of the D.E.C. regulations., and I just wondered how that works with our Town of Southold, Suffolk County and so forth. As.a hamlet and as .especially sensitive area, should we have certain scaled-down regulations here on the Island? Has the last Town Plan gone through? SUPERVISOR MURPHY: CHERRIE RAFFERTY: SUPERVISOR MURPHY: CHERRIE RAFFERTY: SUPERVISOR-MURPHY: The Master Plan? Not yet. So we're still on the old plan? Right. Would you care to comment on any. of this? I think some have been addressed by upzoning. I think this new State law also has addressed the concerns of maintaining the open space here. As far as any different regulations for building closer to water, freshwater or saltwater, you would be the same in your sensitive here as any area near the water, freshwater ponds, or streams or the Sound. I don't know of any--but if you do have any concerns, let us know about them, that you think should be special and maybe we could have the Trustees look at it, the CAC, the Town's Conservation Advisory Council, and I think working with your Conservancy here, working together, would bring out these points if you do need special consideration, we'd be happy to. Yes, John. JOHN CLAVIN: About two years ago I asked the question of the Board about the Landfill operation on Fishers Island. To refresh your memory, the taxpayers on Fishers Island have double taxation in' that they are taxed for the Landfill--the Whole Town Landfill at Cutchogue. We pay 8.3% of all the money that's spent up there at that facility, and we also have our own Garbage District, which unfortunately when they established the Garbage District it included a landfill operation, and wh~"~ wasa very small amount of money for a landfill operation on Fishers Island hasno~t I grown, to $150,000'a year budget, of which at least $50,000 is for the landfill an ~, .il, dL~ probably a lot more didn't go into it. So if we look now toward the establishment of a incinerator, and at the same time the Board is looking at what they're going to do up at the Landfill in Cutchogue,_because we all have to get out of the landfill business and you're going to. probably have a multi-million dollar project. Now, it seems to me that I say two years ago, it doesn't seem fair that we should pay for the landfill operation in Cutchogue and pay for our own landfill operation, when the rest of the Town of Southold isn't helping us with our landfill, and ! would like to know what the Board can do about it. The last time ! asked the question Bob Tasker answered that we would have to dissolve the Garbage District, or form a Town District, and i know the Board is looking at that, but it goes on now. It's two years now that I asked the last question and we're now $150,000 to $300,000 into the hole on Fishers Island paying that amount of money, l'd like to know if the Board has any plan to expeditiously get us out of this situation? AUGUST 6, 1986 ~ 105 SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I ' ~ct word when'you said "unfortunately". '~add i think what Mr. Tasker said two years ago, and what we were talking about was dissolving your district. We can't dissolve your district unless you want it dissolved. JOHN CLAVIN: Bob~ ypu said th.at the Board had sent back a letter---and Bob came back with a couPT~ of alternative§; ~in~ One' of'~vhich was to establish a Town of Southold Landfill District and a Fishers Island Landfill District, and that was the direction you were going to pursue. TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: No, John. That is one of the many alternatives.' I discussed this with the State officials, and that was one alternative, which is not a very viable alternative as far as the Town is concerned. That's one. There's several other alternatives which I have given some thought to. ! did not have enough time to get a bill drafted and introduced in last year's Legislature. ! hope to get something ready for this coming Legislative Session in January. 'Fhere's several alternatives. It's not going to be an easy thing to do, but because it's something unique. You're asking for a particular area to be excluded from a general Town charge, and it's going to take a little doing to try to work up some sort of a bill that may be acceptable by the Legislature. But it hasn't been over- looked and it will be given some time before the next Legislative Session, and hopefully a bill will be introduced. JOHN CLAVIN: Is Frank right that the simplest way to do it is to dissolve--- TOWN ATTORNEY TASKER: That's a simple way of doing it, sure, but the consequenc,es you create---it's suggested that a second solid waste disposal district be created excluding Fishers Island, including all of the rest of the Town mainland. So then we have two special districts, Fishers Island and the rest of the Town. That is one solution. That's rather a long way to go around it, because then you're creating another improvement district. If the thing can be solved in a more simpler way I think we should pursue that first, and that's what I!m trying to arrive at. SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, any other comments to the Town Board? (No response.) Any other concerns? Any questions of any of the officials that are here? (No response.) If not, again, thanks. It was great to be-here, and we appreciate your hospitality and I know we'll be over here--most members of the Board will be over here. Bob:.and I are coming over again this month, and we're available, is all I could tell you. The Town government is available for you to use and suggest you use it. We're here to work with you and help you. You are part of Southold Town. You're part of Suffolk County ,- add -you' re part of New York State. Let's work together. At this time I'd like a resolution to adjourn. Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was RESOLVED t~hat this meeting be and hereby is a.djourned at 2:05 P.M. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Cochran, Councilman Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. . Judith T~ Terry Southold Town Clerk