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BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Minutes
Wednesday, April 13, 2022
5:30 PM ����'��®
Present Were: Glenn Goldsmith, President MAY 2 3 2022A. Nicholas Krupski, Trustee
Eric Sepenoski, Trustee
Liz Gillooly, Trustee Southold Town Clerk
Elizabeth Peeples, Trustee
Elizabeth Cantrell, Senior Clerk Typist
Lori Hulse, Board Counsel
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Good evening, and welcome to our Wednesday,
April 13th, 2022 meeting. At this time I would like to call the meeting to
order and ask that you please stand for the pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance is recited).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll start off by announcing the people on
the dais. To my left we have Trustee Krupski, Trustee Sepenoski,
Trustee Gillooly and Trustee Peeples. To my right we have attorney to
the Trustees Lori Hulse. We have Senior Clerk Typist Elizabeth Cantrell.
We have Court Stenographer Wayne Galante. And from the Conservation
Advisory Council we have John Stein.
Agendas for tonight's meeting are posted on the Town's
website and also out front. We do have a number of
postponements tonight.
In the agenda, on page eleven, we have number 19, East End
Pool King on behalf of KIERAN COLLINGS requests a Wetland Permit
to install a proposed 16'x32' vinyl swimming pool with
approximately 1,300sq.ft. at grade patio; install pool enclosure
fencing; install a drywell for pool waste water; and install a
pool equipment area.
Located: 3960 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-122-4-26.1
has been postponed.
On page 12, numbers 20 through 23. On page 13 we have
numbers 24 through 30, and on page 14 we have numbers 31 through
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34. They are listed as follows:
Number 20, BRIDGET CLARK requests a Wetland Permit for the
existing 20'3"x22'4" (452sq.ft.) Detached garage and to convert
it into an accessory apartment by replacing existing windows,
exterior door, add plumbing to connect to existing septic, and
install a wall mounted electric heating unit.
Located: 7825 Soundview Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-59-6-15
Number 21, Michael Kimack on behalf of NUNNAKOMA WATERS
ASSOCIATION, INC. requests a Wetland Permit to perform work on
the property located at 645 Wampum Way (1000-87-2-42.3),
consisting of installing 235 linear feet of Shore Guard 9900
vinyl hybrid low-sill bulkhead with helical supports installed
at discretion of contractor; restore approximately 200 linear
feet of eroded bank with 90-100 cubic yards of sand recovered
from storm deposit area; install filter fabric (±1,600sq.ft.),
and plant American Beach grass @ 18" on center (±1,200 plants)
over restored bank area; construct storm water concrete
diversion swale (10'x43', 430sq.ft.) with rip-rap runoff area
(10'x20', 200sq.ft.), consisting of 50-150 Ib. stones set on
filter fabric; the storm washed sand area is to be restored to
the original grade line and the removed sand (90-100 cubic
yards) is to be used on site to restore the eroded bank area; on
all three properties, dredge a portion of Moyle Cove to deepen
channel in three (3) areas, AA, BB and CC to a depth of-4.00ft.
(Approx. 365 cubic yards), and area DD to a depth of-3.00ft.
(Approx. 85 cubic yards), for a total dredging of approximately
450 cubic yards; the dredge spoils is proposed to be spread on
the two Sauer properties (255 Wigwam Way, SCTM# 1000-87-2-40.1 &
175 Wigwam Way, SCTM# 1000-87-2-40.2), in an area of
approximately 8,000 sq.ft. And to a depth of approximately
1.5ft.; the dredged spoils placement area will be surrounded by
a silt fence with hay bales to be kept in place and maintained
until the spoils are de-watered.
Located: 645 Wampum Way, 255 Wigwam Way & 175 Wigwam Way,
Southold. SCTM#'s 1000-87-2-42.3, 1000-87-2-40.1 & 1000-87.-2-40.2
Number 22, Michael Kimack on behalf of SOUTHOLD BAYHAVEN
PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION requests a Wetland Permit to remove
approximately 150' of existing bulkhead, landing with staircase
and wood walkway; install approximately 166 linear feet of new
vinyl bulkhead with dead-men tie-backs; remove approximately
527sq.ft. of American Beach grass with approximately 85 cubic
yards of soil and approximately 20 linear feet of 12" PE
corrugated drain pipe, and replace with approximately 25 cubic
yards of beach sand to extend beach landward of easterly removed
existing bulkhead line; remove approximately 564sq.ft. of
American Beach grass in area seaward of easterly existing
bulkhead line and replace with approximately 21 cubic yards of
beach sand (total beach grass removed is ±1,091sq.ft.); relocate
approximately 70 linear feet of 12" PE corrugated pipe which
proposed "V" rip-rap tapered swale runoff; construct new
replacement 4.5'x7' (31.5sq.ft.) Landing and 3'x24' (72sq.ft.)
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wood walkway in same locations as existing; and establish new
American Beach grass planting area (t1,200sq.ft.) to replace
areas lost in kind.
Located: 975 Watersedge Way, Southold. SCTM# 1000-88-5-64
Number 23, Richard Boyd, R.A. on behalf of CHRISTINE HOWLEY
requests a Wetland Permit to install a seaward retaining wall
210 linear feet long and 46" high at the east side of the
property and 30' from the wetlands with a set of stairs with
landing'(112sq.ft.); a second landward 58 linear foot long and
26" high retaining wall at the south side of dwelling; a
41 sq.ft. outdoor bbq area; and to add approximately 250 cubic
yards of fill to raise the grade tapering from 0" to 18" at the
perimeter of the dwelling.
Located: 320 Sailors Needle Road, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-144-5-29.3
Number 24, Raymond Nemschick, AIA on behalf of ROGER SIEJKA
requests a Wetland Permit to construct a two-story,
single-family dwelling with a basement; first floor is 24'5"
wide by 50'0" deep; front porch is 11'0" wide, 6'2" deep; rear
veranda (deck) is 245" wide by 10' deep; and overall max height is 32'3".
Located: 955 Blossom Bend, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-115-6-22
Number 25, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of SADIK HALIT LEGACY
TRUST requests a Wetland Permit for the as-built bluff stairs
consisting of the following: 4'x4' at-grade top landing to an
8,2'x9.5' upper platform to 18'x4' steps down to an 8'x3.8'
middle platform to 16'x4' steps down to a 19.4'x10' lower
platform to 14.5'x4' steps down to beach; all decking on
structure is of untreated lumber.
Located: 2200 Sound Drive, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-33-1-16
Number 26, Sea Tech, LLC on behalf of BARBARA BODKIN
requests a Wetland Permit to reconstruct in place 125 linear
feet of timber/concrete bulkhead with new Navy style vinyl
bulkhead; construct two (2) 8' returns; remove and replace
existing landward 4.5' wide wood boardwalk, 70sq.ft. over-water
wood platform, and retaining walls as required; and to install
30 cubic yards of clean fill form an approved upland source.
Located: 610 Bayview Drive, East Marion. SCTM# 1000-37-5-2
Number 27, Cole Environmental Services on behalf of SCOTT &
LEA VITRANO requests a Wetland Permit to remove existing pier
and float; construct a proposed 4'x14' landward ramp leading to
a 4'x35'fixed pier with Thru-Flow decking a minimum of 4' above
wetlands; a proposed 3'x12' metal ramp; and a 4'x20' floating
dock situated in a "T" configuration and secured by two (2)8"
diameter piles.
Located: 3875 Main Bayview Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-78-2-15.1
Number 28, Cole Environmental Services on behalf of JUSTIN
&ALLISON SCHWARTZ requests a Wetland Permit to construct a
proposed 4'x165' fixed pier with open grate decking a minimum of
4' above tidal vegetative grade; a 3'x16' aluminum ramp; a 6'x20' floating
dock situated in an "T" configuration; and to install a natural path leading
from upland to fixed pier using permeable material.
Located: 2793 Cox Neck Road, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-113-8-7.6
Board of Trustees 4 April 13, 2022
Number 29, Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of
JOSEPH & MARY ELLEN LOGIUDICE request a Wetland Permit to
construct a 4'x40' landward ramp onto a 4'x110' fixed dock with a 4'x40'
"L" section at seaward end; construct a 4'x40' lower platform with a
5'x4' access platform and a 4'x16' ramp; install three (3) two-pile dolphins;
and provide water and electrical service to dock.
Located: 10995 North Bayview Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-79-5-20.14
Number 30, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of ANTHONY & BEATRICE
FALCONE requests a Wetland Permit to install a proposed 4'x6'
cantilevered platform off of bulkhead; a 30"wide by 14' long
aluminum ramp; and a 6'x20' floating dock supported with two (2)
10" diameter CCA piles and situated parallel to the bulkhead.
Located: 405 Williamsberg Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-78-5-17
Number 31, Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on behalf of
FOUNDERS LANDING BOATYARD, LLC requests a Wetland Permit for
Ten (10) Year Maintenance Dredge Permit to dredge a 2,400sq.ft.
Area to -7.0' below mean low water, removing approximately 240
cubic yards of spoil; dredge spoils to be trucked off site to an
approved disposal site.
Located: 2700 Hobart Road & 1000 Terry Lane, Southold;
SCTM#'s 1000-64-3-10 & 1000-64-3-11
Number 32, Michael Kimack on behalf of TIMOTHY J. &
GINAMARIE STUMP requests a Wetland Permit to construct
approximately 315 linear feet of hybrid low sill bulkhead;
backfill with approximately 100 cubic yards of course clean sand
just below lowered sheathings; maintain approximately 2 '/2 to 1
slope from top of sloughed bank and then flat to bulkhead;
install approximately 3,200sq.ft. of filter fabric over
disturbed area and fasten with 8" galvanized pins; plant
spartina alterniflora to high water mark and then spartina
patens to undisturbed line @ one (1) foot on-center (±3,200
plants).
Located: 2200 Minnehaha Boulevard, Southold. SCTM# 1000-87-3-61
Number 33, Michael Kimack on behalf of JANICE HILLMAN
SITYLES a/k/a JANICE HILLMAN REVOCABLE TRUST requests a Wetland
Permit to construct a 4'x18' walkway with a staircase consisting
of three (3) treads and four(4) risers with Thru-Flow decking
(72sq.ft.), connected to a 4'x24' fixed dock with Thru-Flow
decking (96sq.ft.), 168sq.ft: total; and to install 14 - 8"
diameter pilings.
Located: 8340 Main Bayview Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-87-5-23.2
Number 34, Michael Kimack on behalf of MARIA H. PILE
requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 36.0'x34.7'
(1,249.2sq.ft.) two-story dwelling on foundation in accordance
with FEMA standards for a AE zone; and a pervious driveway.
Located: 420 Lake Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-59-1-21.2
In the Town Code, Chapter 275-8(c), files were officially
closed seven days ago. Submission of any paperwork after that
date may result in a delay of the processing of the application.
Board of Trustees 5 April 13, 2022
I. NEXT FIELD INSPECTION:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: At this time I'll make a motion to hold our
next field inspection on Wednesday, May 10th, 2022 at 8:00 AM.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
II. NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to hold our next Trustee
meeting Wednesday, May 18th, 2022, at 5:30 PM, at the Town Hall
main meeting hall.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
III. WORK SESSIONS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to hold our next
work sessions Monday, May 16th, 2022, at 5:00 PM, at the Town
Hall Annex 2nd floor executive board room, and on Wednesday, May
18th, 2022, at 5:00 PM at Town Hall Main Meeting Hall.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
IV. MINUTES:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to approve the Minutes of the
March 16th, 2022 meeting
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
V. MONTHLY REPORT:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Roman numeral V, The Trustees monthly report for
March 2022. A check for$12,637.34 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the
General Fund.
VI. PUBLIC NOTICES:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board
for review.
VII. STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEWS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Roman numeral VII, State Environmental
Quality Reviews.
RESOLVED that the Board of Trustees of the Town of Southold
Board of Trustees 6 April 13, 2022
hereby finds that the following applications more fully
described in Section XI Public Hearings Section of the Trustee
agenda dated Wednesday, April 13, 2022 are classified as Type II
Actions pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations, and are not
subject to further review under SEQRA, as written:
W. Harbor Bungalow, LLC, c/o Craig Schultz SCTM# 1000-10-7-18
Southold Sunsets, LLC SCTM# 1000-54-4-3
Nora Tuthil Glueck SCTM# 1000-117-5-14.1
Bridget Clark SCTM# 1000-59-6-15
Little Ducks Realty, LLC SCTM# 1000-104-13-3
Konstantinos D. Katsiris & Julia Melinda Orlie Katsiris SCTM#
1000-90-3-3
Kieran Collings SCTM# 1000-122-4-26.1
2500 Soundview, LLC SCTM# 1000-94-2-1.5
John Cosenza SCTM# 1000-50-1-5
Founders Landing Boat Yard, LLC SCTM# 1000-64-3-11
David Schwartz SCTM# 1000-90-4-5.1
Bruce & Sarah Rothstein SCTM# 1000-126-11-11
Geanie Arciga &Thomas Juul-Hansen SCTM# 1000-72-1-1.10
Sheena Acharya &Adrian Sapollnik SCTM# 1000-83-1-7
Susan Karten SCTM# 1000-114-9-14.1
Edward & Meredith Rerisi SCTM# 1000-63-7-37
Lauris Rall SCTM# 1000-128-2-12
Frank & Christine Mangano SCTM# 1000-91-1-7
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: That is my motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL YES).
VIII. RESOLUTIONS -ADMINISTRATIVE PERMITS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Resolution and Administrative Permits.
Under Roman numeral VIII, in order to simplify our
meetings, the Board of Trustees regularly groups together
actions that are minor or similar in nature.
Accordingly, I'll make a motion to approve as a group Items
1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 14 and 15. They are listed as follows:
Number 1, Patricia C. Moore, Esq., on behalf of KEVIN &
ELIZABETH HUDSON requests an Administrative Permit for an
as-built replacement of wire fence and 6' wood fence along
property lines with 33' of 4' stockade fence from end of post
and rail fence, to a 6' high 100' long stockade fence to 4'
stockade fence (25') ending at street.
Located: 680 Deep Hole Drive, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-115-12-9
Number 3, Eugene Burger on behalf of NORTH FORK LENDING,
LLC requests,an Administrative Permit to install 6' high PVC
fencing along the length of the eastern property line.
Located: 64600 Main Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-56-7-4.1
Number 4, Eugene J. Burger on behalf of EUGENE C. BURGER
Board of Trustees 7 April 13, 2022
requests an Administrative Permit to remove a 460 square foot
brick patio on the eastern side of the house; remove a tree in
the eastern yard whose branches threaten severe window damage in
easterly storm winds; remove a 15 square foot stone wall on the
north side of the property; continue, on the north side of the
property, a stone retaining wall of approximately 55 square
feet; install a 565 square foot bluestone patio on grade at the
northeast corner of the house; install a 156 square foot
bluestone patio on grade at the southeast corner of the house;
install stepping stones to access the proposed patios from the
door on the eastern side of the house.
Located: 2385 Pine Tree Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-104-3-2
Number 6, EILEEN B. OAKLEY requests an Administrative
Permit to conduct construction activity within 100' from
landward edge of wetlands to construct on vacant parcel an
approximate 71'x80.8' two-story, single-family dwelling with
basement; a 24'x36' garage; install a septic system; and to
install a driveway.
Located: 3400 Little Neck Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-103-9-13.1
Number 8, DEBORAH DOTY requests an Administrative Permit
for a Ten (10) Year Maintenance Permit to hand-cut Common Reed
(Phragmites australis) to not less than 12" in height by hand,
as needed and to eliminate poison ivy by hand.
Located: 670 West Creek Avenue, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-103-13-5.3
Number 10, Michael A. Kimack on behalf of THREE SEASONS LLC
requests an Administrative Permit for the construction activity
within 100' from landward edge of wetlands for the modification
and reconstruction of existing (1625sq.ft.) deck with addition
of a 30'x12' (360 sq.ft.) saltwater pool.
Located: 2060 Clearview Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-10-28.2
Number 11, KAREN &ANTHONY DELORENZO request an
Administrative Permit to remove the roof over existing attached
garage and construct a 520 sq.ft. second floor storage area
located in the north easterly side of premises; construction of
an 8'x10' portico over the front door supported on two sides by
adjacent structure and a structural column to existing deck.
Located: 470 Haywaters Drive, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-104-5-21.1
Number 14 GEC Contracting Inc., on behalf of PIPES COVE
MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION c/o ROBERT WALLACE, PRESIDENT
requests an Administrative Permit to remove and replace siding, trim,
replace windows and doors and to replace surface decking as
follows: Building #1: three (3) first floor decks approx.
320sq.ft. each; Three (3) second floor decks approx. 130sq.ft.
each; Building #2: four (4) first floor decks approx. 296sq.ft.
each; four.(4) second floor decks approx. 130sq.ft. each;
Building #3: two (2) first floor decks approx. 145sq.ft. each;
two (2) second floor decks approx. 145sq.ft. each.
Located: 131 6th Street, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-49.-1-25.2,
25.3, 25.4, 25.5, 25.6, 25.7, & 1000-7-1-16.1, 16.2, 16.3., 16.4 & 16.5
Number 15, En-Consultants on behalf of VANSTON BEAR, LLC
requests an Administrative Permit to throughout approximately
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86,400 sf area (including approximately 5,000 sf"north ravine"
area and approximately 6,000 sf"south ravine" area),
selectively remove existing noxious and/or invasive vegetation
(e.g., mile-a-minute weed, Russian olive, Phragmites, poison
ivy), and establish both replacement and supplemental native
plantings (e.g., bayberry, serviceberry, various native grasses,
ferns, herbs, and sedges) using young plants and over-seeding
methodology; install three 8 to 10-foot long coir log vegetated
level spreaders to slow and infiltrate stormwater; and establish
a 10' wide, approximately 1,500 sf non-turf buffer on west side
of proposed dwelling to be planted with native grasses (e.g.,
big bluestem, switchgrass.
Located: 5250 Vanston Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-111-10-14
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 2, Ural Talgat on behalf of MELISSA
KATZ REVOCABLE TRUST requests an Administrative Permit to
replace existing 91 sq.ft. deck with new wood deck, 199sq.ft.
(9.5'x20.9') located between the top of the bulkhead and the
bottom of the slope.
Located: 8045 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-118-4-8
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent. The inconsistency
is the Board issued a Wetland Permit in 2011 that required the
removal of the deck. In 2021 a second permit was issued for the
parcel that does not mention the deck. The deck remained in its
original location in 2016 and is shown on the April, 2022 aerial
photos. An unpermitted structure cannot be replaced. The
proposed deck is located within the FEMA VE velocity hazard area
and will be subject to loss from storm events.
Trustees Krupski conducted a field inspection on this March
27th, noting that the deck was straightforward, that the
existing vegetation is not being disturbed, and that stainless
steel hardware is to be used for construction. And also that
the deck is on grade.
So I will make a motion to approve this application with
the conditions that the deck is on-grade and it is constructed
with stainless steel fasteners, and as-built fees, which will
bring into consistency with the LWRP.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 5, Martin D. Finnegan, Esq., on behalf
of VICTOR P. & GLORIA E. ALSOBROOK requests an Administrative
Permit for the as-built 29'x9' side brick porch, a 26'x15' brick
patio at grade and a rear wooden deck 24.6'x15'5" deep, 37"
above grade with 64" x 62" wide access stairs seaward of the
deck, lying 32.6' landward of existing permitted timber
bulkhead.
Board of Trustees 9 April 13, 2022
Located: 130 West Lake Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-90-1-19
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent. The inconsistency
is the as-built structures were constructed without Board of
Trustees review or permit.
Trustee Peeples inspected this on March 31st, noting that
it was straightforward.
So I'll make a motion to approve this application as
submitted whereby granting a permit will bring it into
consistency with the LWRP.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
Number 7, ELLEN L. HUFE requests an Administrative Permit
for a Ten (10) Year Maintenance Permit to hand-cut Common Reed
(Phragmites australis) to not less than 12" in height by hand,
as needed.
Located: 3195 Wells Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-4-9
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
Trustee Gillooly conducted a field inspection March 28th,
2022, noting that there was shrubs and trees and native
plantings besides phragmites that should not be trimmed.
So I'll make a motion to approve this application with the
condition that the trimming is of phragmites only.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 9, FREDERICK B. POLLERT & ELIZABETH
BUZASH-POLLERT request an Administrative Permit for the repair
of the existing 44'x20' on-grade stone patio.
Located: 375 Lighthouse Lane, Southold. SCTM#: 1000-70-6-29.2
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
Trustee Peeples inspected it on April 10th, 2022, noting
that there was drywells on the plans that are not in the
description.
So I'll make a motion to approve this application with the
condition that the on-grade section of the stone patio be
removed so that it is not on-grade.
So the approved project description thereby reads as
follows:
Frederick B. Pollert and Elizabeth Buzash-Pollert, request an
administrative permit for the repair of the existing 44'x20' stone patio.
Located 375 Lighthouse Lane, Southold.
That is my motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 12, TOR & JOAN TORKELSEN request an
Administrative Permit for an as-built 14'2"x18'5" deck with 4'
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wide steps and three (3) treads, located at rear of house.
Located: 3675 Wells Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-4-4
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent.
Trustee Gillooly conducted a field inspection April 4th,
noting the deck measures the length and width as shown.
Located 91 feet from the bulkhead.
So I'll make a motion to approve this application as
submitted, and by granting it a permit will bring it into
consistency with the LWRP.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 13, AMP Architecture on behalf of
MAUREEN DANILCZYK requests an Administrative Permit for a
proposed 217 sq. ft. (15.4'x14.1') enclosed sunroom; proposed 50
sq. ft. (10'x5') vestibule; and a proposed 111 sq. ft. (14'x8')
wood deck.
Located: 550 Cedar Point Drive East, Southold. SCTM# 1000-90-2-16
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
Trustee Peeples did a field inspection March 31st, noting
that the application was straightforward, but the original
request in the plans show drywells, so that we need to add that
to the project description.
So therefore I'll make a motion to approve this
application, and with the condition that the drywells as shown
on the project description stamped received March 15th, 2022,
are included in the project description.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
IX. APPLICATIONS FOR.EXTENSIONS/TRANSFERS/ADMINISTRATIVE
AMENDMENTS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Roman numeral IX, in order to
simplify our meetings, I'll move to approve as a group Items 1,
2 and 3. They are listed as follows:
Number 1, En-Consultants on behalf of ALEXANDER PERROS
requests the Last One (1) Year Extension to Wetland Permit#9476
and Coastal Erosion Permit#9476C, issued on June 19, 2019 and
Amended on November 13, 2019.
Located: 19215 Soundview Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-51-1-18
Number 2, En-Consultants on behalf of MICHAEL MONTEFORTE
requests an Administrative Amendment to Wetland Permit#9957 to
reduce areas of the proposed dwelling from 1996 to 1911 sq.ft.;
the covered patio from 376 to 357sq.ft.; and to increase the
area of the proposed grade-level pervious gravel patio from 530
to 644sq.ft.
Located: 4060 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-122-4-26.2
And number 3, Ian Crowley on behalf of LEONARD ROSENBAUM
Board of Trustees 11 April 13, 2022
requests an Administrative Amendment to Wetland Permit#9985 to
remove the existing 11' low sill bulkhead at the north end of
the property and excavate an 11'x20' area to -4ALW to create an
11'x20' slip for a small vessel(s).
Located: 520 Snug Harbor Road, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-35-5-34
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
X. MOORINGS/STAKE & PULLEY SYSTEMS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Moorings/Stake & Pulley Systems,
I'll make a motion to approve as a group items 1, 2 and 3. They
are listed as follows:
Number 1, ALEC FAUVELL requests a Mooring Permit for a
mooring in Gull Pond for a 32' inboard motor boat, replacing
Mooring #3. Access: Public
Number 2, JOHN CONSIGLIO requests a Mooring Permit for a
mooring in Gull Pond for a 31' sailboat, replacing Mooring#12.
Access: Public
Number 3, JOSEPH LOMONACO requests a Mooring Permit for a
mooring in Richmond Creek for a 23' outboard motorboat,
replacing Mooring #92. Access: Public
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
XI. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Roman numeral XI, Public Hearings, at
this time I'll make a motion to go off our regular agenda and
enter into the public hearings.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: This is a public hearing in the matter of the
following applications for permits under the Wetland ordinance
of the Town of Southold. I have an affidavit of publication
from the Suffolk Times. Pertinent correspondence may be read
prior to asking for comments from the public. Please keep your
comments organized and brief, five minutes or less if possible.
WETLAND & COASTAL EROSION PERMITS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Under Wetland and Coastal Erosion Permits,
Number 1, JMO Environmental Consulting on behalf of W. HARBOR
BUNGALOW, LLC, c/o CRAIG SCHULTZ requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal
Erosion Permit for the existing 6.5'x53' fixed dock with a 11'x11' fixed portion in an "L"
configuration; existing 3.5'x12' ramp and existing 8'x20' floating dock; the 6.5'x53' fixed
dock and 11'x11' fixed portion in the "L" configuration to remain; remove existing ramp,
float and two piles and install a new 4'x20' ramp with rails and an 8'x18' floating dock
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situated in an "I" configuration secured by four piles; and to install four tie-off piles.
Located: 371 Hedge Street, Fishers Island. SCTM# 1000-10-7-18
The Trustees have not been able to make a field inspection on this property yet.
We did do an inhouse review of the plans on April 5th, noting that it appears that the
proposed float exceeds the pier line.
The LWRP found this project to be inconsistent. The inconsistency is the
applicant has not provided information on whether sea grass including eel grass occurs
around the dock that can be impacted.
The Conservation Advisory Council did not make inspection, therefore no
recommendation was made.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this application?
MR. JUST: Good evening. Glenn Just, JMO Environmental
Consulting, on behalf of the applicant.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: To address the LWRP's concern, was there any
mapping of the aforementioned eel grass that is in that area?
MR. JUST: I did a survey along with the surveyor when we did the
wetlands lines and mean high water and things like that. And we
didn't notice any. That's why it was not on the plans. And if
there was, we would have said there was eel grass onsite. But
we didn't find any in the area 200 or 300 feet from the
shoreline in either direction.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Can you address the concern about potentially
exceeding the pier line of the neighboring docks?
MR. JUST: I didn't realize it was -- do you have an arrow to put
up? I just wasn't aware it exceeded the pier line.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: If you want to approach, and take a quick
look up here, I'll show you what we are looking at.
So we are concerned with is from there to there. And then
it looks like it's exceeding that. Again, we have not conducted
a field inspection, but based on the actual plans, so we will
have to go out and visually inspect it. And if you can mark the
end, the terminus of it.
MR. JUST: This is the site down here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you need to scroll down a little bit, Liz?
MS. CANTRELL: (Complying).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So if you look at the plans, it's got the
original one, that smaller square-looking one. And then with
the proposed addition to it, you can see the addition now sticks
out, I don't know what that actual distance is.
MR. JUST: It's about eight feet or nine feet.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay. But that is our concern is that it
exceeds the neighboring docks.
MR. JUST: You'll have to do a field inspection anyway, correct?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Yes. Yes. We have to do a field inspection.
We just want to make you aware that's our concern now, and when
we get to Fishers Island if you can have that staked out so that
we actually see it in the field.
But in the meantime, well, is there anyone else here
wishing to speak regarding this application?
(No response).
So if it's all right with you, we would like to table this
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application until such time we can do a field inspection.
MR. JUST: I have two others right along the same shoreline that
are probably coming up at the next meeting, so it's not a
hardship at our end.
Just let me know when you want to go out because there is a
lot of tide action out there, to stake it.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Yes, we'll definitely give you have a heads
up. Are there any other questions or comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Just that we would not want to see it exceed
the pier line so if you can try to pull it back a little bit,
that would probably be better.
MR. JUST: I'll take another look at it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Hearing no further comments, I'll make a
motion to table this application for field inspection and submission of
new plans that show a dock that does not exceed the pier line
MR. JUST: Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 2, Michael Kimack on behalf of
SOUTHOLD SUNSETS, LLC requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal
Erosion Permit for the as-built above ground 500 gallon propane
tank (30"x8', 20sq.ft.); as-built raised wood platform for AC
unit and electrical for I/A system (3'x9', 27sq.ft.) on east
side of dwelling; as-built on grade dry laid slate patio and
walkway on north and east sides of dwelling (±677sq.ft.);
as-built partial concrete walkway with added dry laid slate
walkway with landing (±100sq.ft.) along west side of dwelling;
as-built Belgian block surround for gravel driveway (±140 linear
feet) along south and east sides of dwelling; as-built gravel
driveway (±635sq.ft.) along south side of dwelling; as-built
outdoor shower with 4'x4' wood floor(16sq.ft.) adjacent to east
side of main staircase against deck surround; remove existing
much surrounding planted vegetation; remove existing fire pit;
8'x12.2' (97.6sq.ft.) shed has been removed and not replaced;
wood walkway along portion of easterly side of dwelling has been
removed and not replaced; and to expand approved area of
planting American Beach grass to cover all additional areas
approved @ 18" on center.
Located: 4200 Kenney's Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-54-4-3-
The Trustees most recently did a field inspection of the
site on April 5th and noted that it should be non-disturbance
seaward of the house with stipulation of access to IA for
maintenance; four-foot wide path to match either side of the
house; eliminating shower patio, et cetera.
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent. The inconsistency
is due to the fact that the as-built structures were constructed
without Board of Trustees review or permit. The removal of
features and restorations of area further Policies 4 and 6.
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The Conservation Advisory Council also did not support the
application.
The Conservation Advisory Council did not support the
application: The entire slate patio and concrete walkway should
be removed, and the primary dunes should be vegetated with
native vegetation. It should also be noted that there are a
number of e-mail submissions and letter submissions in the file.
They have all been reviewed by the Board and submitted to the
public record, all basically stating that the applicant built
past what was expected to be done, and without a permit. And
again, the patio and walkways.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. KIMACK: Michael Kimack, on behalf of the applicant. I have
not been with you at the last one you went but'l was with you at
the prior one, and obviously the as-built situation was the same
when we visited the together.
As to the discussion we had at this particular time, your
concern, at that particular time, as I recall it, was the extent
of the American beach grass as to how much of it needed to be
replaced. Essentially like that. And the discussion in terms
of how much we needed to cut back on the patio in order to bring
into a better conformance. Before you, if you have a chance to
look at the plans that I recently submitted to you, this is an
accurate depiction of exactly what had been a non-disturbance
area. The non-disturbance buffer in the undisturbed grass area
was, as it was originally, had not been touched, for the most
part, it had been kind of cut triangularly across the property
on that one side.
It was hard, because when I looked at it at first I thought
it was kind of squared off, and when I actually looked at the
survey and it triangulated down. So we are dealing with a much
smaller area that had to be revegetated.
I believe the overall concern was this particular one we
did cut the half-moon circle off the front of the patio that we
had the discussion onsite. And more importantly, we removed
the fire pit, essentially like that. We removed the compost as
had been recommended and suggested also. And I did take a look
at your field notes, and basically it's, in discussion that we
had was that we were going to try to preserve the entire area of
beach grass, and your field notes basically said from the front
of the house. But that was not what our discussion was. So I
moved it. If you can read my notes, basically, it pretty much
elucidates exactly what was on there. I put the four-foot path
on here down to the nitrogen reduction unit, as had been
suggested on the field notes. But I also indicated that I move
the undisturbed area to the back of the house, which was much
more appropriate. Because that's really what we had discussed
originally onsite. Not from the front of the house, but from
the back of the house. And except for that area where the
four-foot and the area around the aboveground propane tank,
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everything else going to be undisturbed and away from that area.
It was specific, and of course the as-built for the, you
know, for the raised area for the air-conditioning units, for
the walkways, essentially like that. And we talked about that
onsite.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. So one of the things that we
noticed from these plans is it does appear that the
non-disturbance buffer is just that area seaward of the house
continuing down the property.
I think what the Board is looking for was to pull that line
all the way back in to encompass the whole dune next to the
house.
MR. KIMACK: That's what we did.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The plans that I have received April 7th, to
me, it doesn't totally show a non-disturbance buffer
encompassing that. It just shows a squared-off area.
MR. KIMACK: You have to read the note, Nick.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right, but, I think we want to see, you know,
that non-disturbance buffer, when you planted the plants is very
apparent, and I think we just want to see that graphic continue
through the whole set of plans.
MR. KIMACK: Well, this area, that is indicated here, the
perimeter of proposed beach grass plantings, planting area
remains consistent, removal of compost, beachgrass and planted
area seaward of landward of the back of house. And the
undisturbed grass area to remain non-disturbed except for a
four-foot wide path for service of the IA system and the
immediate area around the above-ground propane tank.
I'm not sure how much clarification I need to add to that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I mean, the rest the of the Board, if they
disagree with me, can chime in, but when you read these plans,
granted it does say that in the notes, but it's very unclear,
without looking at the notes and just referencing the plan, it
looks like the non-disturbance zone is just on the seaward-most
limit of the property. And maybe normally I would be open to a
note of that, but it seems that your client has an issue
listening to the direct actions of the Board, so I think we
should really have a clear set of plans before proceeding.
MR. KIMACK: I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are
looking for. Because my understanding when we looked at it was
that we were going, I was going to present to you the areas upon
which we were going to do the American beach grass, which would
be a bit in the undisturbed area. Now that's pretty much what
the area around that whole thing is elucidated as an
undisturbed area. And I'm not quite how much more I could do --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you want to approach, sir?
MR. KIMACK: I know you think it's a little confusing, but we
talked about leaving this and taking the compost out. So
basically this was obviously already planted, as it was laid out
by the surveyor, and we basically had this remaining area, which
is grass. This area was already grass. We were taking the
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rocks out of here. So this area from here all the way up to
adjoining this would become non-disturbance.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think a final plan that shows, you know, the
non-disturbance, you have shown planted with, I guess planted
areas, right here and here, and this is a non-disturbance
buffer. I think what would make this more clear would be if the
graphic was the same all the way down to here.
You know, I mean you can put like dashed lines here showing
removed compost, but if this graphic was contiguous, I think it
would show the whole area is non-disturbance. Because if I
don't look, if I'm a contractor and I looked at this plan, to me
it says, oh, this is non-disturbance, this has to remove some
compost, and then I can do whatever I want over here. I think
it's a little confusing.
MR. KIMACK: We disagree, respectfully.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure.
MR. KIMACK: But because basically this we didn't want to touch it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I agree.
MR. KIMACK: And this we were not going to touch, so I would not
necessarily join this in with this and try to explain to you
what was already non-disturbance and what we were planting.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, let me try to simplify this. What is
planted right here?
MR. KIMACK: That's all American beach grass.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right now.
MR. KIMACK: Yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. And what's planted right here? -
MR. KIMACK: American beach grass.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay. So why do these two look different? I'm
confused.
MR. KIMACK: Because I was using the original surveyor when he made
this out.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right.
MR. KIMACK: This represented the original non-disturbance buffer
that had been asked for in the original permit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right.
MR. KIMACK: That's why it was laid out by the surveyor, and I
left it alone.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right.
MR. KIMACK: When he made this up, he tracked back to the
planting area, I recognized that this whole triangular area was
also American beach grass, and we were not going to touch that.
That was left undisturbed.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right. And I can appreciate that. It says
"undisturbed grass area." It's just visually it's a little odd,
this one, when you go back to the key, at the very least, it
shows grass -- or actually this --
MR. KIMACK: This is all the planted area. That's what we are
planting.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I agree with you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The plans need to be a little bit improved.
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Sorry . I interrupted you.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: No, I agree with you, with the fact just the
way it's labeled. It appears that the non-disturbance is that
swath that parallels to the water line. The rest of it, we
understand by reading the notes, however just understanding that
there had been history with this project, it's important to be
as clear as possible from our perspective and from your
perspective as well. .
MR. KIMACK: I thought I was.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: We want it to look like it does on the screen
there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: A contiguous area, basically.
MR. KIMACK: All right. Well, in a sense what you want to me to
do is say non-disturbance with the whole thing, and somehow
represent within the non-disturbance the area we are planting?
Because 1 have to.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Just from my perspective, I feel like by making
the whole area non-disturbance, after the planting has been done
of the American beach grass, there would be no need to kind of
delineate any of the areas because it's basically the entire
property with the exception of the location of the propane
tanks, the IA access and the path to the IA.
MR. KIMACK: Well, I'll make a suggestion. I'll take this,
basically, I'll take off this line from the original
non-disturbance of this and bring it all the way back to here,
and say American beach grass non-disturbance.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.: That would be perfect.
MR. KIMACK: But I won't say anything in there where we are
planting, just American beach grass, non-disturbance. On the
assumption that those areas don't have beach grass.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right. Well, that's in the description. And
then you can do a call out saying to be planted with American
beach twelve-inches on center.
MR. KIMACK: Okay.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: And the plan currently says 18 inches, so I
think that's a request to change it to 12-inches on center.
MR. KIMACK: American beach grass spreads eight to 12. It really
doesn't matter. It inter-fills pretty quickly.
All right, anything else?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Um, so --
MR. KIMACK: While we're at it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think between the LWRP and the Conservation
Advisory Council, the Board, and the comments from the local
concerned citizens, the Board would like to see a little bit
less intrusive solid-structured walkway and would like see that
patio removed and replanted.
MR. KIMACK: The entire patio?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's correct.
I think we have comments from the Conservation Advisory
Council, if you want to return back to the podium.
MR. STEIN: John Stein, from the Conservation Advisory Council.
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May I just approach?
Just the discrepancy with the solid patio. If he's only
taking this spot, he's only taking this semi-circle or swath
over, I was just a little more concerned with the entire, the
LWRP is that this is what we called that for the last three
years on it. And I've seen the fire pit and everything else.
But that was our main concern. Because this little half-moon
sliver is not going to cut it for that. This would never be
approved. And it's not permeable. It's 1602 slates. All
right?Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
MR. KIMACK: I will point out, basically, this gets, you have to
basically look at what was approved originally, which was in
terms of what the original approval was of the plans. Those two
walkways were part of the original approval, and there was at
one time a wooden deck in the front that was part of the
original approval, with leaving the shed on that one side. And
the wood walkway on the one side. And then the approval of an
area, primarily, which pretty much is the area that, to replace
the American beach grass, that was the stamped plan by the
Board. So I can superimpose that over the plan to show you what
we already have approved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Unfortunately, we have to look at what was
built, not what was approved. Because what was approved was not
built.
So in discussions with your client, he seemed pretty open
to making a less-hardened and impervious walkway also.
MR. KIMACK: Well, the walkways right now, there is no concrete.
They are all on crushed bluestone, or--
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Which, I mean, we know they are still not
pervious, though. We don't have to go back and forth on that.
That's fine.
Is there anyone else here that wishes to speak to the application?
(Negative response).
Or any additional comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Do you wish to proceed with the application tonight or do you
wish to speak with your client?
MR. KIMACK: Well, obviously based upon what the Board has
already said, we have to make some changes to the plans anyway.
And I'm not quite sure about the other concern that you have.
I'm going to have to go back and look at the original, the
original landscape plan that was approved by this Board and
superimpose that over. Because the walkways were part of it, on
both sides of the house.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I would like to make one note about the shower,
it seems like there was a shower that was there and there's,
it's a little bit of concern about the water-- a shower was
built and a little concern about the water that would come off
of the shower and although there might be drainage, just that
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that might have an impact as well.
MR. KIMACK: Well, it's all sand. It would go straight down.
It's just a four foot -- a 3'x3' wood base on it. It would just
go down in the ground.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: But it is on the seaward side of the house.
MR. KIMACK: True, but the entire house is in CEHA anyway. There
is probably, in a sense, the argument would be you couldn't put
it anyplace without being in CEHA anyway.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Agreed.
MR. KIMACK: So I'll ask to retable so I can go back and look at it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. All right, hearing no further
comments, I make a motion to table the application for
submission of new plans.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 3, Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of
LEVENT TEMIZ requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion
Permit for the existing (2,317sq.ft.) Two-story dwelling with
attached garage and to construct a new 155sq.ft. addition onto
the center of the dwelling on the seaward side with a
second-floor terrace above; for the existing 11.4'x4.1' storage
room under existing stairs on west side of dwelling; existing
927sq.ft. swimming pool; for the existing 90' of pool fencing
along seaward side of deck, 75' along east side, and 75' along
west side with 15' to-the dwelling with gates; existing decking
around and seaward of pool is in part above grade and at grade
and is to be modified by resurfacing the 830sq.ft. seaward
portion of decking with existing structure to remain
undisturbed, and existing portion of deck around pool is being
replace with a 2,302 stone patio on granular base and permeable
joints on grade which includes a 4' expansion on the west side
of patio; expand existing 81 sq.ft. Wood deck on westerly side of
dwelling an additional 195sq.ft. for a total 276sq.ft. and
install a 7'10"x9'2" hot tub on deck; resurface existing
42sq.ft. easterly side deck; and for the existing 70sq.ft.
landing leading to 4'x20' stairs to beach.
Located: 57305 County Road 48, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-44-2-3
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent. The inconsistency
is portions of the wood deck and wood bench to be resurfaced are
located seaward of the Coastal Erosion Hazard Line. The
construction of non-moveable structures or placement of major
non-moveable additions to an existing structure is prohibited in
the structural hazard area.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to not support
the application because a portion of the deck is located within
the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area. The beach stairs should have
removable, retractable stairs at the base, and the Conservation
Advisory Council questions the maintenance of the deck being
exempt from CEHA.
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The Trustees conducted a field inspection April 5th, noting
that further review at work session. We met with Ms. Moore in
the field.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MS. MOORE: Yes. Good evening. Patricia Moore on behalf of the
Temiz family. I am going to go through my presentation and I
have the exhibits but rather than run back and forth, if you
wouldn't mind, I'll just do my presentation and I'll refer to
the particular exhibits that I have. And then I'll give them to
you for your file. Most of them have already been submitted but
I want to make sure that we have an accurate record.
So I'll begin with all the structures that are existing and
have a validly issued, legally enforceable certificate of
occupancy. I'm going to refer you to CO number 14494 for
additions and alterations for the house which were issued back
on June 9th of 1986. And the CO 14495 for the pool and decks
which were issued June 9th of 1986 also.
No department or board has legal authority to revoke, amend
or modify a C of O for structures for which the CO was issued.
The property owner has a protected property interest in the
building permit or CO when the permit is legally issued.
The owner has made improvements in accordance with the
permit and relied on the permit. Revocation of or demand to
remove a pre-existing structure is a violation of the law, and I
have cited two cases and I'll provide those to the Board. I'll
give this outline also to the Board just so that you'll have it.
As to this project, the applicant lists all the existing
structures to bring all the structures into compliance with the
Town Code 275. The plans that are filed, of the plans that were
filed, and you have a set of plans, I have another set here if
you need, the additional square footage details provided on the
March 8th, 2022 site plan. The existing house, that application
or that portion of the application, is to enclose a portion of a
roofed-over enclosure within the footprint of the existing
building for the entertainment room.
Typically, that type, that portion of the project is exempt
from needing a Trustees permit under 275-40). Also, there is a
proposed new deck that is adjacent to the house which is 195
square-feet next to the house with the proposed 7'10"x9'2" hot
tub, which is all together 66 feet from the top of the bank.
Again, under 275-5(b) it would be an administrative permit, one,
because the small deck addition and the hot tub, which would be
more than 50 feet, that is 66 feet from the top of the bank, so
275-5(b)(e) and (1), which includes the deck.
So that is the existing house with what is the modification
next to the house.
We then get to the replacing the existing decking on-grade
with stone patio and sand, which is typically considered a
non-turf area in some instances, to satisfy the Zoning Board and
the reduction of lot coverage, replacing the existing
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structures, which is the deck, has no impact on the wetlands.
The pool has a C of O, which we are not asking to do
anything to. It's there.
Finally, the existing deck on the north side of the
property, which I think has been the issue, happens to be
partially in the CEHA area. This deck has a CO and has
withstood every storm for the last 35 years.
In review of the available County of Suffolk aerials of
this property and specifically the shoreline, the shoreline has
not changed. And I'll give you the aerials that are available
from 2001 to 2020. This is primarily due to the two jetties
which protect this property.
The property has the two significant jetties, one on the
east and one on the west, and the property is absolutely stable
and has been protected, as I said, for the past 35 years, since
the improvements were issued permits.
You had a question at the site inspection regarding
drainage. The plans do show the existing permeable drainage bed
with plants and proposed new French drain connected to the
drywell.
So on the plans, the patio, again, replacing the existing deck,
will have drainage.
The deck on the north end within the CEHA includes the pool
fence and again has a C of O.
Under the Coastal Erosion Law, a pre-existing structure is
allowed to be maintained. "Maintenance" is defined as periodic
replacement or repair of same components or protective coatings
which do not change the size, design or function of the
structure.
There is no impact on wetlands, no matter if the wetlands
are defined as the tidal waters here on Long Island Sound, a
natural bank, which was planted 30 years ago by my client, and
maintains a very healthy bank along what would be, is a
relatively low bluff, low bank.
When reviewing the LWRP, the ZBA found the LWRP consistent.
And fortunately the LWRP report does acknowledge that and it's
part of your record.
The reduction of the lot coverage under the Town of
Southold Zoning Law brought this application into consistency
with the LWRP.
The inconsistency determination for the northerly wood deck
and bench and pool fence, which states the applicable LWRP
policy is to minimize losses of human life and structures from
flooding and erosion hazard. But that policy recommendation is
controverted by the facts. Again, looking at the aerial between
2001 and 2022, you will see no impact, no change, to the
shoreline, the beach and the vegetation.
The existing structure remains to this day in the same
size/condition as when it was constructed 36 years ago. The
parcel is protected by those substantial jetties on the east and
west, and the structure is protected from regulatory inverse
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condemnation by case law and statute.
We ask that the Board grant the Wetland permit and Coastal
Erosion permit as requested. And so I'm going to give you for
your file the COs with the attached decking design because I
know there was some confusion, but it is part of the Building
Department records that this matches what was actually
constructed in this part of this CO.
I have the two cases that are referred to in my outline.
There are more but these are the two that were easily obtained.
And if you need, I have the plans here which I highlighted the
drainage just in case you couldn't see it on the original plans,
because it is somewhat light. There's drywells. The French
drain is connected to these drywells, that is, I highlighted
with yellow just to make sure you could see it. And then
finally the aerial I'll provide to you. And then we can talk.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Is there anyone else here wishing to speak
regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comment from the Board?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So I mean, there's a number of issues which
we've discussed with you in the field. Certainly I would like
to take the time to review what you have submitted to us, and
maybe process this. So I don't want to be premature with my
comments at the moment, but, you know, as you know, the Board is
looking for the best interest of the Town. Pulling large
structures back away from the wetlands is just obviously our
intention.
This is a situation where your applicant is applying to
redo a large portion of a contiguous structure, and it just
makes sense environmentally to reduce the size of the structure.
That is just my personal opinion. Regardless of C of O's that
may have been issued. Oh, and one other question I had. The
portion of the deck that is in Coastal Erosion and therefore, I
mean this Board couldn't even vote for, because of the size of
it. It has a C of O. Does it have a Trustee or Coastal Erosion
permit or anything like that?
MS. MOORE: All of you, and you know, from the record, it
predates the Wetland and Coastal Erosion. It doesn't mean that
it's not legal. So,just keep that in mind.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure. Do you want to review the material or
save that for a later date?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I think with the amount that you gave us, we
do not have time to sufficiently review it at this time. So if
there is no one else here wishing to speak regarding this
application, I'll make a motion to table this so we can review
all the new information that you just submitted.
MS. MOORE: Well, I mean it's actually information that I have
given you already and discussed with you and was prepared to
discuss further. But that's fine, I mean certainly you are, you
should review everything. Keeping in mind that just making sure
you understand the facts. The existing decking on-grade has
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Zoning Board approval. It took us eight months to wait for the
Zoning Board to issue that approval. And it got an LWRP
consistency determination. That is what the Board reviewed.
And the Town's best interest was to remove decking and replace
it with patio.. So that part of the project, I think, what I
gather is that your issue is with the portion of the deck that I
have actually said we are not doing anything to it. We are
maintaining it. That's it. So if a board needs to be replaced,
over 35 years that has been probably under Coastal Erosion, that
is a permissible function. It doesn't mean anything. It's in
fine shape now.
So what I had suggested as a possibility, and I mentioned
this to the client, because I have done it in the past and, not
with this Board but with prior Boards, which is when the Board
has a pre-existing'nonconforming structure which is, that's the
situation we have here, because it's over the coastal erosion
line, we take it out of the application so that in the event
that there is a loss of the structure through storm, we need a
permit to replace that end of, that portion of the structure. I
have seen it also done by way of a resolution of the Board that
says we'll approve the structure, however if it is, if it needs
to be replaced, it has to be with a permit. So it keeps the
offending -- I want to say offending structure, it's not really
offensive to anybody other than just a policy issue -- keeps it
within your jurisdiction so that, you know, again, we don't
know, a storm could come, in take everything away, and at that
point, you know, the client doesn't have it. So it's gone. And
we can then address the circumstances as they exist at the time.
But for 35 years it's been there and it's a very stable
piece of property. Particularly --
MS. HULSE: Pat, to clarify one thing you misstated, and I know
what you are talking about in terms of normal maintenance under
Coastal Erosion, under 111, but you need to have a permitted
structure to have maintenance under the Wetlands permit. So you
can't just replace without having it permitted.
MS. MOORE: Wetland ordinance. Not the Coastal Erosion.
Remember, under Coastal Erosion --
MS. HULSE: That's what I just said. No -- you said it
generally. I know, general maintenance under 111. 1 get that.
But I'm saying, it has to be a permitted structure if you are
going to do maintenance on it. Under 275.
MS. MOORE: Yes. Yes.
MS. HULSE: You did not say that.
MS.,MOORE: Oh, I apologize. We have two permits.
MS. HULSE: I get it. That's why I'm trying to clarify.
MS. MOORE: Yes, we are all in agreement. You are correct.
That's why I'm trying to bring it in under the umbrella of a
Wetland permit and Coastal Erosion permit so that, so everything
is legal under the current regulations.
MS. HULSE: I want to clarify again, what you said was that you
could take away a board, put a board back, you can do normal
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maintenance. And that is true under 111. It is not true unless
a structure is permitted under 275. So I just want to make that
clarification for the record.
MS. MOORE: Yes, I understand.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just to clarify then, if we were to cut that
portion out of this application as you suggested, then your
client would not be able to touch the structure or do anything
on it whatsoever, including replace a board or a nail.
MS. MOORE: The plan is it's going to be painted and it's going
to stay in place. I mean --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you, for clarifying.
MS. MOORE: It's consistently -- I don't want to use the word
maintained. I'm using wrong terminology. The elements have not
deteriorated the structure over the years. So it's been pretty
stable.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Just one more point of clarification. You
kept mentioning the consistent from the LWRP, from the ZBA. So
just we are all aware, it's inconsistent for the onethat we
received. So that LWRP report that we have for this particular
application is inconsistent.
MS. MOORE: Correct. However I'm making a point that there is
more to this project than just that deck. There is a lot--the
rest of the project, which the Zoning Board did review because
it was part of the application, was deemed consistent. Because
we went through, we submitted to the Zoning Board the, as I
said, replacement or reduction of lot coverage, in order to meet
consistency to the Zoning Board and LWRP.
So we get two bites --the LWRP gets two bites of the apple
always. They, you know, we address the issues in one Board and
then LWRP comes back and says well it's not enough, we want you
under this Board's jurisdiction to do X,Y,Z more.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: To clarify, it's a different process for each
Board. It's a different set of issues that the LWRP is looking
at for each Board. So it's irrelevant what the LWRP ruled
for the ZBA, for this purpose, for what we are talking about
here today.
MS. MOORE: Okay, I would point you to the environmental factors
that this Board'is reviewing and the facts on the ground in the
particular property. There are no environmental impacts as have
been evidenced by 35 years of a very stable bank and a very
stable beach, and everything has remained the same.
So, environmentally, it does not cause environmental
damage. And as far as the zoning standards go, as far as
character of the neighborhood, impact on the environment, is one
of the factors the Zoning Board does consider, it was found that
what we are doing was reducing the impact rather than maximizing
the impact.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Your point is taken, and I think we would all
like to have the opportunity to review the materials you have
provided to us.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just what representation are you making that
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this has no environmental impact? Is that from your background
or is that from aerial?
MS. MOORE: From the facts on the ground, the aerial, the
shoreline has not changed in 35 years.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That's not speaking to the environmental impact
of the deck necessarily. That's one point.
MS. MOORE: The grade of the property is all pitching toward the
house and has drainage that has been --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, that's another singular point. I mean,
maybe we should have an environmental analyst look at it then.
MS. MOORE: That is within your purview, so. I think if you are
trying to punish people that are trying to preserve their COs,
you have the ability. So.
MS. HULSE: That is actually inappropriate for you to say. I
really think that is inappropriate for you to say. I understand
you are advocating for your client. You are interrupting the
Trustees as they are speaking. They are trying to ask questions
to guide them to a decision on this, and instead of making
statements specific to your application, you are making general
statements, and now you are trying to offend the Trustees, which
I'm not understanding why you would want to do that.
In any event, the LWRP has pointed out things that they
deem are inconsistent. That's their right. Trustee Gillooly has
pointed out that they do a different review than ZBA. Their
review came back inconsistent. So obviously they do see some
environmental concerns. At this point, since the Trustees are
choosing to table this to review further what you have just
submitted tonight, the arguments that have been heard by you
with the Trustees, I think at this point you might want to table it.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to table this application.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MS. MOORE: Thank you.
WETLAND PERMITS:
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 1, Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of
JOHN COSENZA requests a Wetland Permit to establish and
perpetually maintain a Non-Disturbance area seaward of the top
of bluff with existing vegetation to remain natural with
selective hand pruning in order to maintain view shed; establish
and perpetually maintain a 10' wide.Non-Turf Buffer at top of
bluff planted with ground cover with a mix of native grasses and
native species; remove existing flagpole; remove existing 4'1"
high stone retaining wall to allow natural slopes to be regraded
and place 2'x3' natural boulders stacked to maintain natural
grade; install new 6" high by T wide natural split face
bluestone slabs placed at grade for steps (two steps 7'6'W"),
and following the natural grade; regrade to establish natural
slopes; curbs along natural grade, each curb 1' high split face
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bluestone curb and 4" wide with 6" steps embedded in the slope,
5 curbs in total, each curb along elevation 79 is 6 linear feet,
curb at elevation 78 is 24 linear feet, curb at elevation 77 is
34 linear feet, curb at elevation 76 is 42 linear feet, and
lowest curb at elevation 75 is 24 linear feet; 10' and 50 linear
feet of existing section of retaining wall along easterly
property line to be repaired, alternating flag stone steps
(3'x3') and 3'x6' (26 steps in total); regrade east side yard of
property for placement of pathway with 3'x3' flagstone pavers
and 3'x6', 26 pavers stone pavers set into the slope and level
with the retaining wall (grade rising from elevation 66 to
elevation 72 on north); plant slope with new native species
along east side of property; along west side of property plant
native trees and vegetation to thicken existing vegetation, 26
stone pavers walkway (3'x3' stones) to existing beach access; at
70' from top of bluff replace existing terrace and expand
existing stone terrace (total size 700sq.ft.); and repair
existing concrete block wall on west side of property line; in
front yard install a new gravel parking area with Belgian block
curb to match driveway.
Located: 1700 Hyatt Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-50-1-5
MS. MOORE: Thank you. I thought my landscaper might make it.
He's coming from another meeting. So he might show up. If not, I
have his plans.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I have to read a few things into the record.
MS. MOORE: Okay. Sorry.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The LWRP reviewed the project application and
found the action inconsistent with Policy 6.3, and therefore it
is inconsistent with the LWRP.
The inconsistency stems from three points: The ten-foot
wide non-disturbance buffer established in a 2012 Wetland Permit
7737(a), has been cleared. Planting area with
irrigation-dependent fertilized species is counter-productive to
the benefits of a non-disturbance buffer.
Point two, the proposal to create a non-disturbance area
seaward of the top of bluff with existing vegetation to remain
natural, with selective hand pruning in order to maintain
viewshed is contradictory. The area is already protected by
Board jurisdiction. Hand trimming would be defined as a
disturbance.
Point three is put in the form of a question on the process
of selective tolerance. Drought tolerant species are
recommended.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved not to support
the application of John Cosenza for the landscape plan. This
action was on April 6th, 2022. The Conservation Advisory
Council does not support the application of the as-built
structures. There is an extreme concern with recent removal of
trees within 15 feet from the top of the bluff. Tree removal has
destabilized the bluff and this entire area should be replanted
with the same diameter trees.
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The Board of Trustees most recently visited the property on
April 5th, 2022, in the morning. The notes read: Check for
existing violation. Trustees looking for larger non-turf and
non-disturbance buffers; detailed planting plan needing
drainage and grading for patio should be defined. And we've
received plans stamped February 23rd, 2022. And we have new
plans, April 13th, 2022.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. MOORE: Yes. Good evening, Patricia Moore on behalf of the
Cosenza family.
I brought up a plan that, based on the comments of the
Board, we have increased the area of the vegetated buffer to
where, at least from visuals with the Board, to where the
flagpole is located. So when it's mapped, you can see that it's
a significant, the original --the original non-turf buffer is
ten feet from the top of the bluff. I just would correct what
the LWRP, he wrote "non-disturbance" but it was actually a
ten-foot non-turf buffer. And I have a copy of the resolution
and the permit from the Trustees back in 2012. And it was the
actual, the permit had been 2012, by the prior owner to trim
trees and plant native vegetation within the area seaward of the
top of the bluff as needed in order to maintain the present view
of Long Island Sound. And then the Board approved that, but
also to install a ten-foot non-turf buffer. What is up there is
pretty much non-turf. It's weeds, but it doesn't grow very
well. And what we are proposing, we had a professional
landscape architect review the property and give the
recommendation of the plantings. I verified with him, if he
shows up he can say it himself, but I verified with him that
that all the plants that are proposed are in fact native,
drought-tolerant species that have been proposed. That's all he
has proposed here. So everything would be the typical Board's
recommendation.
I was asked about trees, and on this particular plan has a
left-hand list of plants and on the right-hand list of plants.
There's two columns. The column on the right are trees. So
there is a variety of different trees of different sizes, and it
was for filling in the areas that are actually deer eaten. Some
of the trees are somewhat high, some of the evergreens that
border the property on the west side, you can see that there
are, the pine trees have grown many years, so they are pretty
bald on the bottom and have high canopies. So the plan is that
would be filled in with different tree species and evergreen
species just to fill in those gaps.
When we were at the site, the cherry trees, they were
mostly cherry trees that had been cut, and I would again point
to this permit of 2012, and unfortunately my client bought the
property in 2021, March of 2021. He was under the impression
that this permit was still a valid permit. Not, you know,
people just don't understand without asking, that permits don't
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run with the land. Unlike a C of O that runs with the land, the
Wetland permit process requires, again, review by this Board.
And the transfer, he got a violation. We are in court over the
violation. And the resolution of the violation will be when we
complete this permitting process.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: For point of clarity, did you say there was a
permit for hand trimming?
MS. MOORE: Yes.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: So then what was done here was clearly not
hand trimming; is that correct?
MS. MOORE: To be honest with you, probably a chain saw was used.
He hired somebody and they didn't acknowledge it was excessively
done.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They used their hand to hold the chain saw.
MS. MOORE: There is no excuse and I will not come up with
excuses. However, I'll just tell you that's what was issued in
the past. But in the time that has lapsed, you can see a
significant growth of those trees.
So to the extent the trees were alive, and are alive, they
are regenerating very nicely. So you don't really want to touch
them anymore, you want to let them regenerate. They are coming
in thicker than they originally started. They now have lots of
growth, whereas I don't know what they looked like before. But
in any case --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right there. We pulled that picture up for you.
MS. MOORE: When was that picture taken?
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: It's associated with a 2016 permit.
MS. MOORE: '16 or'12?
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The '16 permit was discussing some hand trimming,
removing and cutting to stump.
MS. MOORE: I'm sorry, I have it on 2012. So.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: This is correspondence between
Mr. Leudesdorf the former owner, and the Trustees.
MS. MOORE: I'm not sure -- I saw some correspondence, it was a
little confusing, so maybe he was asking to trim again? All I
can tell you is --
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY.: Your question was when were those photos
taken, right?. That was 2016.
MS. MOORE: Okay. So anyway, those trees are growing back, we
have probably --
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The trees that were --
MS. MOORE: I'm sorry, my daughter is trying to reach me I'm
trying to cut her off.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: That's all right. As Trustees, we review not
only applications before us but the permit history of these
applications as well. And I appreciate your thoroughness and I
appreciate that you do the same. It's clear through my review
of these permits that there was a special amount of care taken
to preserve the trees that were on, not only the face of the
bluff, but also the point of inflection where the top of the
bluff continues to rise progressing back down toward the house.
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And Mr. Bredemeyer, a former Trustee, advised the former owner
to flag trees to be removed to one color, trees to be pruned in
a second color. They did that. They did their trimming. And
the picture there would show if it were better quality, but
those were all flagged for different kind of trimming to
maintain the viewshed that you claim your client wants to
preserve.
MS. MOORE: To maintain.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: To maintain. The point is, the viewshed that
the former owner was permitted to maintain is not the same
viewshed that your current applicant wants to maintain. One is
vegetated trees, different species. The other is a clearcut
bank and then an almost-denuded bluff.
So, that point should be made clear here. We have different
kinds of views. I like the fact that you've submitted new plans
with extensive plantings of different kinds of drought-tolerant
species that will likely thrive in the area. My primary concern
is with all of the slope from the flagpole essentially seaward --
MS. MOORE: Landward.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Well, where it pitches seaward. That's kind
of the point of inflection where any kind of rain runoff or
erosion is likely to take place where the top of that one
inflection is seaward onto the bluff face.
Speaking as one Trustee, and I welcome the other Trustees
to contradict or support or comment on my feelings on this
matter, I would like to see a re-vegetation in something along
the lines of what you presented to us here. And then it should
remain a non-disturbance buffer from that point of inflection,
roughly the location of the flagpole seaward.
Now, my, I should say, this was clearcut and now the client
wishes to do significant earth work landward of the flagpole
line toward the house, which includes terracing, which includes
the extension of a patio where the current lawn exists, and
extension of the lawn further seaward beyond the retaining wall.
Retaining wall would be changed as well, boulders brought in.
I think that I suggest your conversation with the client
center on whether they want lawn or they want that stone patio.
Further seaward of that area, where the lawn is, the current
patio is proposed, I'm open to suggestions about a garden of
some kind, ten feet in depth, flowers, planted and maintained.
But further seaward of that point of inflection I would like to
see that non-disturbance buffer and planted with natives.
Is that clear? Does my recommendation make sense?
MS. MOORE: I'm listening but I'm not sure if I'm 100%
understanding. Just so that I can relay it properly. I
understand what you said about --
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The plan is too ambitious, is what I'm
alluding to.
MS. MOORE: Okay, in fact, I mean, it looks very busy, but the
whole purpose of this is actually to eliminate the delineation
of that retaining wall that is like three feet above grade,
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where the backyard is right now, and create a more natural,
almost like the same bank that you have going towards the bluff
that is going to be vegetated. A similar soft bank to the
backyard so that it is, and the reason that they created these
retaining walls, they really are only, what did I say, a few
inches in height, is to create kind of plateaus. So it's a
plateau where you want to create a non-disturbance at that
level, being the high point, because the whole property is a
mound. And then the house is kind of built into the, I would
say the lower midpoint of the whole grade of the property from
the street to the Sound. So they are trying to in fact create a
more natural property.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Well, this is my, as someone who cares about
what words mean, "natural" doesn't work in this location. The
word "natural" is landscaped. You want to landscape the area
seaward of the house and change it, terrace it, permanently
in its natural state --well, formerly natural, because it
was clearcut. And naturalizing it by regrading it, those are
contradictions in terms.
MS. MOORE: Well, if you look back at the survey that you have in
your files, the original plan and the way that this property has
been done is with that retaining wall that was done at some
point in time as like a landscape feature. Because the ten-foot
non-turf buffer was running right along the edge of the top of
the bluff, almost, what is it, if I read the numbers correctly,
about 70 feet from where the house is.
So it was actually all, it was no planned landscaping
anything. With prior Board and other approvals, it was
undefined. The way it's developed is with kind of, as you say,
more natural, because nobody maintained it, but it had been
grass above, on the seaward side of that retaining wall. You can
see the grass is just weedy now. There is really not much grass
there. The lawn right next to the house has been consistently
kept as a lawn.
So I mean his ambition was to remove that retaining wall
but what you are saying is, no, keep the retaining wall so that
you keep the area seaward of that retaining wall, I want to say
natural with vegetation.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Now you are catching my drift.
MS. MOORE: I'm trying to interpret it so I can relay it properly
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The retaining wall as currently exists is a
nice boundary line, it delineates clearly what is sort of a
living space, effectively an outdoor living space, from what
should be natural and was denaturalized by clearing. So just to
recapitulate, so it's --
MS. MOORE: Okay, I'm understanding now what you are saying. Now
I understand.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So basically at the landward edge of your
proposed 30-foot non-turf buffer, you want that to be the edge
of the non-disturbance buffer. Because looking at these
elevations that really is the top of bluff. So between that and
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what is currently a retaining wall, make that the vegetated
non-turf buffer. So shift everything landwards toward the house
and leave everything seaward of that pre-existing retaining wall
as is.
MS. MOORE: I'm following your description, yes. I mean we are
planting probably, I can't even count how many plants are here
proposed in what you want to make as a non-disturbance buffer,
until those plants establish themselves, and the way it's being
planted is almost like a complete ground cover. So you really
won't see the ground beneath it, maybe in the wintertime, but
for the most part, the plants will create the vegetative blanket
of that area.
Those plants really, they can't be left completely as a
non-disturbance. You have to maintain it. You have to water it.
You have to establish it. And maybe after five years of growth,
then it's really established and there is very little
maintenance that has to be done.
So I'm a little concerned about calling that whole area
that is being replanted as non-disturbance because it's, the deer,
it's going to be --
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The deer are likely to prune it.
MS. MOORE: The deer will prune it, but before that, the
condition of the soils and everything may not allow it to
regenerate. That's my only concern. There is probably about
$300,000 worth of planting here. When he goes to buy it,
he's going to find that out. And you don't want to see it all
destroyed because it just can't be maintained. So.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: In the past we have allowed for temporary
irrigation until that planting can take root. I think that is
something we can definitely consider in this scenario as well.
MS. MOORE: Okay. That landscaper pointed that out to me, oh, I
just can't guarantee it's going to live.
So, okay. Okay, I'll go back to the client and relay your
recommendations and so,just so I understand. I understand the .
area seaward of the retaining wall. The area landward of the
retaining wall is really kind of useable area for the client,
so if he wants to put a patio, whatever he wants to put in
there, whatever, you know, that area would be the yard and
living area for the family. Am I reading you correctly on that?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I believe we are heading in the right
direction.
MS. MOORE: Okay. No commitments. But at least heading in the
right direction. All right.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Is there anyone else here that wishes to
speak regarding this application?
(No response).
Hearing no one, I move to table this application.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
Board of Trustees 32 April 13, 2022
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 2, Michael Kimack on behalf of VASILIS &
CHRISTINE FTHENAKIS requests a Wetland Permit to demolish and
remove existing cottage, foundation, wood deck, and walkway at
bluff; demolish and remove existing two-story frame house,
foundation and associated structures near Nassau Point Road;
construct a new foundation, new one-story dwelling with a
2,476sq.ft. footprint; install an on-grade 684sq.ft. stone
and/or brick patio; and to remove six (6) trees of varying
calipers.
Located: 6925 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-111-15-9
The Trustees most recently reviewed this application on the
5th of April, and noted that the as-built structures are still'
very close to the bluff. In terms of the over-loading bluff,
recommend a larger buffer with no structure.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be consistent, however
stated that Policy 4.1, minimize loss of human life and
structures from flooding and erosion hazard. Structures should
be located as far from the bluff as possible, and vegetated
buffer width maximized.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved not to support
the application. The Conservation Advisory Council did not
support the application as submitted. There is concern with the
destabilization of the bluff and rear setbacks and proximity to
top of bluff.
It should be noted that I'm in receipt of new plans dated
April 1st, 2022.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak to the application?
MR. KIMACK: Michael Kimack on behalf of the applicants, who are
present this evening.
I would like to revisit prior discussions on this. It's
gone through a rather lengthy evolution, basically.
Starting from the concern about the slope itself, I think
the overall criteria the Board has to address is whether or
not what is being done on top of the bluff is going to cause any
considerable damage in the future to the bluff as it now exists,
primarily. We do know that there is an existing bank in place.
We do know that the existing slope off the bluff is intact, well
vegetated, with little or no erosion factors. At the top of the
bluff the land for the most part slopes away from the bluff
itself. The cottage, which was much more significantly closer
to the bluff, is being removed, and as has been discussed in
prior, everything was moved back because they wanted to be able
to comply with your overall policy that it be no closer to the
bluff than the adjoinirig property, primarily.
So that actually changed, if I remember correctly, the
original design, about nine-and-a-half feet back from where it
originally was.
One of the corners of the house is 28 feet. You can see
the line coming across the house to the north, basically it
measures, is much more forward, but the house was the primary
facilitator of the line itself of how that was established.
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The house basically was narrowed and moved back. The area
to the south primarily, is even further back, 28 feet on one
side and 30 on the other. The house immediately to the south is
32 feet, basically, from that particular structure.
It is indicative of this area of Nassau Point, if you
travel out east, obviously all of you have, that if you take an
aerial photography and look up and down Nassau Point, invariably
you'll find the large majority of houses that are within the,
pretty much the same amount of setback as we are proposing. The
reason, for the most part, that it has been pretty much
maintained and erosion-free was all of it is bulkheaded. They
essentially have a hard toe in place. And without that hard
toe, these slopes would have been exposed to the same kind of
vulnerability that we've seen in other areas where there is not any
hardening of that particular toe of the slope. It would have
caused a lot more damage than it initially would. What never
quite happened in this particular case. So the house was pushed
back, to the extent that obviously the owner was trying to
preserve the pool. It's an odd piece of property in a sense
because other than the fact it runs down to the bulkhead, when
you begin to walk up on it, everything kind of slopes down from
the northeast to the southwest, rather steeply, essentially,
like that, away from the pool area. So it was really hard to
place a house over there. But we believe we've got it back far
enough that its location is not going to, because the original
house didn't cause any issue with the bluff, and that was about
17 foot closer, the one that the foundation is coming out of.
It does meet your setback on both sides in terms of the overall
weight that is going to be applied to the bluff. And everything
where the house is, if you look at contour lines, everything is
sloping back away from the top of the bluff anyway. Starting at
roughly the 41 line in the front of the house, and the back of
the house goes all the way back to the 30 line. So it's quite a
drop off from one corner, from the northeast corner off the
house to the southwest corner of the house in terms of grade
point on the property. It's a 12-foot variation difference.
That makes it a very difficult piece of property to design a
house on, to get in place.
We basically, there has been an engineer's report there,
I'll point out, on the stabilization of the bluff as it now
exists. I think we can agree that that is the issue. I think
one of the things of your concern was that cutout, whether it
was natural or unnatural, we really don't know. But that little
notch that leads to the staircase coming down to the stairs,
primarily, and whether that area, because of the placement of
the house, is going to somehow contribute to runoff running down
and creating an erosion situation that does not now presently
exist.
And the newer set of plans, which is March 28th, the new
survey, extends the non-disturbance, the buffer, basically, as
far up as possible in that one area, primarily, in that
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particular zone.
And that was, I know, one of the concerns. The stairs were
removed. That came off of the proposed deck area, so that was
not in that one area. And the patio that is being replaced is
ground level. It's obviously on the same plain as'the next door
neighbor, which is, the next door neighbor basically has a
raised deck. Ours is on-grade. In and of itself, the on-grade
patio pretty much takes essentially the same footprint of the
existing house that was there prior.
On a personal note, basically, the owners want to retire
here. They are presently getting ready to hopefully be able to
build and be able to retire and live here and enjoy their home.
Do you have any questions of me?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you, for that. I guess I'll start off by
saying I'm a little confused with where we are at this month.
You know, I'm not sure exactly at which point they started
building houses way too close to the bluff on Nassau Point Road.
However, there has been a precedent set, as we stated. And the
Trustees have, in most cases, honored the pier line going the
opposite way, if there were reasons to.
Now, obviously, it's always better to pull a house further
back if you have the property, in a perfect world, especially
this section of Nassau Point has plenty of area to pull back.
I for one understood what the applicants were trying to do
with the pool, regardless of whether I agreed with it or not.
You and your clients pulled the house back to honor the pier
line with the neighboring structures, and then my understanding
from last month is that the Trustees looked at the deck, but
then I heard the patio, on-grade patio, hardened structures,
non-permeable structures so close to the edge of the bluff, and
said well, you know, we don't like the house location but we
understood where it is. However we are going to create a
waterfall effect. We don't want to put anymore loading, anymore
structure here. The Conservation Advisory Council came across
and noted that there should be more buffer and pulling back
structures. The LWRP coordinator noted that we should be
pulling structures back away from the bluff. Everyone is sort
of on the same page. I thought we were with you and your clients
also. We tabled the application for new plans, and then I have
new plans here that show the existing floor, or proposed large
and permeable patio. And then on the new plans stamped received
April 1st, I see that it's now planned to be covered.
So we are kind of moving in the wrong direction now and
that's what I'm confused about. I don't really understand how
we got here 30 days later from where we were headed, which I saw
as a very positive direction. And, you know, you mentioned how
your client is looking to retire and we heard testimony from the
client, and not that the Board can take into account certain
things, but they want to smell the salt air and they want to sit
and have coffee. And, you know, I don't think you need a patio
that size to have coffee. I don't think it necessarily has to be
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covered. I think we have been trying to work with your client.
We spent a lot of time down here and spent a lot of time talking
about this. And I'm just a little confused how we seem to have
made a 180 and heading in the wrong direction.
MR. KIMACK: Let's see if we can correct that. First of all,
let's break up the two components, basically. The primary
house, in and of itself, does meet the setback requirements, at
least in terms of the foundation that is on the grade, at least,
because when you look at it, it really comes down to the weight
factor on the ground in terms of whether or not that at a
45-degree is causing any particular degree of pressure on that
slope that may cause the slope greater factor that may cause it
to break away.
We are back within in that particular line. I think, what
I'm taking from you, was gaining from you, is the concern over
the size of the on-grade patio and the fact that it's stone
grade. But that could be, the possibility, the patio is in fact
right now the primary factor of your concern. We can
probably, and I can talk to my clients about that, but it can be
made out of a permeable material. There's ways to do that,
primarily, that meet the DEC requirements. I have done them
where they are at least 40 to 50% permeable. And the DEC has in
fact found that to be a permeable thing, where they don't count
it towards impermeability, where they do their per cent factor
calculation, essentially.
So I think that may be a way to alleviate some of your
concerns in terms of whether or not this particular size of the
deck, on its permeable base, may cause, since there is not any
particular drywell attached to it, per se.
And another way to do it is, what you may be able to do is do
a ring around it and do a drywell connected to any water running
off the patio so it does not runoff and down into the non-turf buffer
area. We have done that before, too.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Just to echo Trustee Krupski's concerns, I
believe last month we had mentioned we would be looking for a
minimum 20-foot buffer. So I don't know how we are back to the
ten foot.
MR. KIMACK: I think because they are trying get at least some
semblance of a deck in front of their house, primarily.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: We are talking about putting a deck in front
of the house to preserve the deck around the pool. Because that
was the primary concern why we couldn't move the house further
landward, was to preserve the pool in its current condition,
including the deck. So now we can't move the house back because
of the pool deck, but yet we want to put a deck in front of the
house. So it seems to me like you have plenty of deck for
people sit and have their coffee and smell the salt area.
MR. KIMACK: It is a deck there now, right up against the bluff
itself that is coming down. The original deck. Because there
was a deck in front of the original footprint of the house that
went all the way, I think two or three feet of the top of the
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bluff, primarily. So that's coming down. That had been in
place for 50, 60, 70 years, whatever like that. And it didn't
in itself cause any difficulty for the bluff. So I think the
concern I hear from the Board is not that the bluff had been in
danger of eroding. The question is the consequences that you
consider may be as a result of the new approach, what is being done
now, because obviously what had already existed on the site, both
on the cottage and the deck itself, had not caused in and of itself,
any issues with the top of the bluff or the slope itself.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The Board, to be honest with you, at least my
concern, is twofold: Whether it causes damage to the bluff or
if the bluff is damaged, and the structure, for lack of a better
phrase, rolls into the bay, creating an environmental hazard,
public health and safety hazards. I mean, the Board is trying
to mitigate multiple factors by pulling structure away from the
wetland, which everyone who applies to us, including yourself,
are well aware.
I'm not really sure what else you could say. I mean, that
bulkhead eventually will fail at the bottom. These are all
things that are pretty well known. The bulkheads along Nassau
Point have failed before. The Board is just looking out not
only for all.the people of Southold but also your client's best
interest.
MR. KIMACK:Well, hopefully it will not in our lifetime. But
then again, bulkheads are bulkheads, primarily. So I think what
you are looking at, primarily, is you are somewhat, I think the
ten-foot wide buffer falls short of your expectations. Because
anything further than that would diminish the amount of the deck
itself, primarily.
I think the deck right now, I'm looking at it, is 16-foot
wide, basically. I could make a recommendation and discuss with
my clients to really try to move forward with his, rather than
to have to start over again, that they would like to have some
deck in front of the house, obviously. If we were to perhaps
consider it to be, take a 16 and cut it back to a 12-foot deck
and add four foot, we would have a 14 foot buffer in that area.
Would that be something the Board would consider?
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Mr. Kimack, I would like to just make a
clarification. I know we received the new plans that Trustee
Krupski, I think they were from April 1 st, but I believe, if I'm
not correct, that corresponds with the survey on March 29th. I
don't believe we received a new survey; is that correct?
MR. KIMACK: I thought you did. This is the one that I got.
March 28th.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right. It's two days after. I don't know that
they came in together.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Which one is that?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The survey, I think the one I passed you, the
29th. And this is just a day after.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: But that, if I understand correctly, is only
the plans, not the survey. So the survey indicates an
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eight-foot covered patio.
MR. KIMACK: That's a second-floor patio. That's a second --the
eight foot is a second-floor deck. That's not ground level. If
you take a look at the plans you'll see it's a second floor
deck.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: That's the second floor. And this outline
will --
(The Trustees and Mr. Kimack are reviewing plans).
MR. KIMACK: This outline is the first-floor patio. You are
talking about cutting this back to 12 foot, extending it an
extra four foot to give us 14 feet. And this is the second
floor. The second floor here.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is on-grade and then this is the second
floor deck.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay, so I read it as the eight foot, but it
actually extends out 16 feet on-grade, at patio, and then --
MR. KIMACK: Yes. Then the eight foot over the top of it,
essentially like that. But that is the second floor deck,
primarily.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I understand. So I think the concern that I
personally have is that that additional structure that has been
then added to the seaward side of the house with that covered
patio.
MR. KIMACK: Well, I think with the consent of my clients, I was
offering, perhaps, to cut back the patio to 12 and increase at
that particular point to 14 feet for the non-turf in front of
it, primarily. The 12-foot working patio is fairly decent.
That patio can be set without any concrete on grounded soil,
which we have done before.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: So would you mind clarifying, the covered
portion is the new addition on this most recent set of plans; is
that correct?
,MR. KIMACK: I believe so. I think it was there. I think it
was, I think what happened was, I think it was in the
architectural drawings, but it was not on the survey.
Yes, take it.
MR. FTHENAKIS: Vasilis Fthenakis. If I may, with my wife
Christine own theproperty in question. Actually it was
initially a cantilevered deck five feet. And the architect
recommended to have posts because cantilevered actually would be
probably too expensive. And we wanted shade, we wanted really a
cover. We don't need the deck so much upstairs, but we need the
cover. We thought it's the same with the deck with a cover to
have a covered patio.
But let me actually note that everything that we are
discussing is at the location of the existing structure. We are
not adding any structure. Everything that we are discussing,
the patio, the deck upstairs, is at the location of the existing
structure. We are moving everything back. We are starting from where
the existing structure ends landwards. When we put the house
there, and I'm very glad it seems that we have a concurrence on
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the location, it seems from what I understand, that we don't
have any problem now, that's my understanding about the
location. We are talking about the patio, it's really easy to
discuss, I think.
So the patio, if you noted in the survey dated March 28th,
by the way is the same survey in the first page of the
architectural drawings. It's the same survey. The architect
sends the surveyor who print this and this is what you see here.
It is actually stated very clearly, that the ground patio that
we propose will be pervious, with pavers, with the pavers, I.
believe, at four, I mean a half an inch away under stone,
crushed stone. It would be a pervious one, not with a slope
more than five degrees. Probably one, two degrees. So it won't
create any sheet flow toward the swale. And we extend it
according to your recommendation there, non-disturbance zone all
around the swale. And there is more than ten feet there. It's
at least 15 feet. We don't touch that. So that is exactly,
going to remain exactly as it is now.
This no-disturbance zone, I think we could do this without
any big impact on the plants to have it 12 feet instead of 10
feet. But the whole thing can be undisturbed really. Even the
30 feet will be undisturbed. Because we are talking about very
slight, to put a ground patio that would be pervious. So in
essence, I think we have a create eight feet and disturbance on
there. Those factors, everything. And it actually displaces,
replaces an existing structure. So.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
MS. FTHENAKIS: Christine Fthenakis. I just want to add, last
time we were here your concern was around the stairs where we
had steps and removed, and there was six trees there. We went
back, we are pulling back the patio so that three of those trees
will be preserved and only three will have to come down. So we
took your advice as much as we could, and we do plan to replace
those trees in other areas near the other side of the bluff that
won't impact the structure, the current structure.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: We appreciate that, thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Is there anyone else here that
wishes to speak regarding this application?
(NO RESPONSE).
So certainly the Board is not able to design structures for
folks, but going pervious is helpful; looking very hard at that
eight-foot covered section, I think is a good direction to head
in.
MR. KIMACK: I do have one recommendation. I think it may be
helpful. What we can do on this one, you were talking about
this 20 feet, Nick. We can certainly do the 20 feet here, on
this one. So that would bring it all the way up here. We can
then bring the 20 feet on this one side here. And if we can be
allowed to maybe bring this back to 12. That would be,
two-thirds of it would be 20 feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think we are headed in the right direction.
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I would just look at pushing this back as far as possible.
MR. KIMACK: We might have 12 foot left if we do this.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would try and move it as far as possible.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I think the Board has been pretty consistent
with the distance we are looking for.
MR. KIMACK: 20 feet, if we move 20 feet, we'll end up with an
eight-foot patio there.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Don't you have an eight-foot covered patio
currently proposed?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It seems to be like a consistent line to me.
But just, again, my opinion.
Are there any additional comments from the Board?
(Negative response). .
Hearing no additional comments, I'll make a motion to table this
application for submission of new plans.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 3, Michael Kimack on behalf of SAND
LENNOX, LLC requests a Wetland Permit to demolish and remove
existing 554sq.ft. dwelling with porch; abandon existing
sanitary system and back fill with clean course sand; construct
a proposed two-story, four (4) bedroom dwelling with covered
decks (2,4120sq.ft.), and a gravel driveway; install gutters to
leaders to drywells; install a proposed four(4) bedroom I/A
OWTS system in accordance with Suffolk County Health Department
standards; remove 19 trees of varying calipers; and to install
and perpetually maintain a 30'wide non-turf buffer along the
landward crest of bluff.
Located: 1450 Salt Marsh Lane, Peconic. SCTM# 1000-68-3-1
There is a new project description here, to demolish and
remove the existing dwelling porch of 554 square-feet; existing
septic system to be abandoned and backfilled with clean, course
sand; existing well to be abandoned; construct proposed
two-story, four-bedroom dwelling with covered decks, 2,420.5
square-feet and gravel driveway; construct on-grade stone patio
seaward of new dwelling, 1,607 square-feet, out of shadow of the
second-floor deck; construct front walkway 217 square-feet;
install gutters and leaders to drywells; install a proposed
four-bedroom IA/OWTS system in accordance with Health Department,
standards; install a new well; provide a 50-foot non-disturbance
buffer landward of the crest of the bluff, planted in accordance
with the landscape plan made a part of this application;
remove 21 trees of varying calipers as depicted on separate
sheet made as part of this application.
The LWRP found the project to be inconsistent on February
14th, 2022. It states this stretch of coastline is highly
erosive. Structures should be located to the greatest extent
practicable to meet Policy 4.1, minimize losses of human life
and structures from flooding and erosion hazards, following
management measures to minimize losses of human
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life and structures from flooding and erosion hazards are
suggested. Minimize potential loss and damage by locating
development and structures away from flooding and erosion
hazards.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application of Sand Lennox, LLC. The existing porch should be
demolished and removed. The project description has changed to
the one as I read into the record. The Conservation Advisory
Council supports the application with the recommendation that
the proposed dwelling is moved further landward and away from
the CEHA line.
All trees along the bluff should be left in place and
minimal removal of trees.between the house and the bluff.
We reviewed the project description on the 5th of April.
We discussed the deck close to the bluff to be removed, and
50-foot buffer to be established, non-disturbance and replanting
of trees that were to be removed.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this application?
MR. KIMACK: Yes, Michael Kimack on behalf of the applicant.
At last we were here at last hearing, your concerns
basically in a sense generated the changes that were presented
to you.. The additional information that you required and
requested. The one prior to that, I think we were originally
set back 67 feet from the bluff. The recommendation was to see
if we can get to 80 feet, primarily.
This drawing basically shows that the house is back 80
feet, according to your recommendation. It does put us back 30
feet away from the front of the property, gives us an extra
variance, but I don't think that in and of itself is going to be
a big issue with the Zoning Board, simply because we are moving
everything back in order to accommodate the criteria upon which
you have to judge this project.
Also to the fact we can't really move it back much more
because not only do we have the drywells, we've got the IA
system in there, we have to have certain distances as it is,
primarily.
You did request a square footage on the patios that were
going in. And you'll see that in there, it was two numbers, one
was the total and one was under the coverage of the second
floor, basically. That was the only way I could actually
present it to you.
You asked for a landscape plan, which was admitted to you,
and I redid the tree plan, primarily. In essence it shows,
basically, all those two removed along the top of the bluff.
You visited primarily, the one on the left-hand side of the
house that is updated, that is coming down,which is already
hanging over the bluff. It's not even a question of that one
coming down. And there is another one right there that is in
terrible condition. It's leaning toward the house, and the bark
is pretty much gone on the back side of it. So it's pretty much
dead. Those are the two that are blacked out within the CEHA
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zone. I broke it down by the zone. Two removed off bluff in the
non-disturbance area, and then six preserved in the disturbance
area. Primarily along the eastern side of the property,
primarily. And then all the other trees are all pretty much
within the confines of either the house, the patio or the
driveway, essentially like that. And some of which are already
dead, primarily. And they basically, those are 21 trees,
removed six feet, primarily in that particular. So you have the
landscape plan. The other one was updated to show the drywells
that were going, that was another request also. And I'm not
quite sure if anything was left off of it than what you had
originally asked us to provide you.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: One of my questions was, it says construct
on-grade stone patio seaward of new dwelling. As Trustee
Peeples had pointed out last time, we had discussed a pervious
border to those stone pavers. Did you give thought to that?
MR. KIMACK: When you say pervious border--
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: We had talked about bluestone on grass or
something similar to that.
MR. KIMACK: Well, in essence, basically, you can put this, I'm
not quite sure if it's so elucidated that way, but you can put
the bluestone, I think the idea was basically don't use any
concrete, et cetera under it at all.
There is a couple of ways of doing it. Basically a crushed
stone, as I indicated grounded bluestone, which it drains fairly
well. We are not using any RCA factors in here at all. That's
something the Board doesn't want to see. And the tables you can
see they are set aside, there is quite a bit of distance between
them. I don't expect them to be necessarily grass. In that
particular one that I do, is either filled with gravel or
probably ground-up with stone in there, which is all
permeable. And you can see quite a bit of spacing more so than
the original, at least two to three inches between each one.
One of the things you looked at, I'm sorry, the
recommendation you made was to remove of the existing platform.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: That's correct. That's in the Coastal
Erosion Hazard Area line. 12 by 6. It's 12.5 by 12.5. 156,
square-feet. It's on the plans here to remain; and I'm just
looking at the rate of erosion in that area. I mean, the current
cottage that we are talking about taking down, that's got a
waterfront view all right. Hanging off.
MR. KIMACK: It's a nice one, actually.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: It's actually a hair raising one on the site
to see it so precipitously. It's probably a decent rate of
erosion there, one foot or greater annually.
So I think it would be reasonable to remove the wood
platform while the cottage is being removed.
MR. KIMACK: Actually, I don't have an objection to that. It was
on there, I looked at it. I left 200 square-foot which you
normally, primarily in the CEHA zone. It was fairly back of the
existing property. Hopefully it doesn't come in any closer.
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And I think we do recognize that in order to preserve and
protect the investment and maintain this property, and I won't
speak for the client, but I suspect there will be some
restoration of that slope. It's certainly some protection that
has to happen. Not that long. It's pretty much what is
happening to the other side of it, basically, that whole area
through there.
But we can, I would agree we can take that down. I left it
there, simply, it was there, only because it was less than 200
square-feet, which is normally left alone. In your situation
you feel that the location of it, basically, is a little bit
more vulnerable than normal structures would be that are allowed
within the CEHA zone.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I would agree and support Trustee Sepenoski on
that. And also you just noted, just to clarify, you noted they
would be interested in preserving or restoring the bluff, and I
just want you to know the applicant would need to come back to
this Board if they chose to do that in the future.
MR. KIMACK: They know.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I just wanted to clarify for the record that
that is not part of the application we are discussing today.
MR. KIMACK: I had a discussion potentially with them indicating
that the bluff, that the slope is not in good shape, that that
was something that they should basically consider in order to
protect the investment that they plan to make with your
approval, with the ZBA approval of this property, that it's very
prudent for them to begin to take a look at that.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay, thank you.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: So we discussed the wood platform to be
removed. Would your client also be amenable to planting a few
native trees in that area seaward of the house, to revegetate,
if you will, in place of the trees that are to be removed. I
think it's 21 trees of varying calipers to be.
MR. KIMACK: Well, there are five existing trees right now
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Locusts, yes.
MR. KIMACK: And there's seven, likely, because the other two
will remain. There are seven trees that are left there.
There's only two coming down, and one dead, the two dead ones
within the 50-foot non-disturbance zone now. No other trees are
coming down.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Well, one of them will come down off the
bluff soon enough. All by itself.
MR. KIMACK: The other one, I took a look at it, you'll see that
this one leaning,. it's about a 12-inch caliper tree, basically.
And it's not, they are all the ones through there basically are
all the same species, and Hose exactly what it is right now,
but it's not an Oak, it's not an Ash, and it's been therefor a
while but it's not only leaning but the whole back side of it,
looks like at one time it might have been struck by lightning
there.
So we wanted to preserve as much as we could, and
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everything in there except for those two. If you want we can
basically replace the two we are taking down.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: One-for-one replacement.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I agree. Sounds good.
MR. KIMACK: I can add that in.
I've got, I think what you are going to say next is table and
give you a new set of plans. That's what's coming. I can see the
smiles on your faces. I have a zoning meeting on the 5th which
I'll let go forward primarily because I think we are down to
close to the final resolution, hopefully, on this one. And I
don't see any reason, perhaps I'll ask Chairman Goldsmith to ask
the Zoning Board to let that one go forward. I didn't want to
have to waste any more time.
I put them both in at the same time because I knew your
time period was less than theirs and I didn't want to wait for
yours to be done and then try to reschedule them and lose time
at the back end of it. So it's pretty close.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: And I believe that we can move forward with
this one and make a determination tonight. The removal of the
existing wood deck on the plans.
MR. KIMACK: And the two trees. I can get to you a landscape
plan pretty quickly. I can get it to you next week. So I know
that your bit, that you don't have a plan in front of you,
primarily, but it's not the main plan. It's landscaping plan.
So perhaps as a secondary or collateral plan, it's not
necessarily the one. You'll be approving it, but I can get you
those changes.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Very well. Does anyone else wish to speak to
this application?
(Negative response).
Hearing no one, I make motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I make a motion to approve this application,
with the project description stamped April 11th, 2022, with the
stipulation that the 156.25 square foot wood patio be removed,
and a one-to-one replacement of the trees cut seaward of the
house will be depicted on the landscape plans.
We are moving the house further landward as far as
possible, therefore addressing the LWRP's concerns that the
house is, needs to be moved as far as possible from the bluff,
and thereby bringing it into consistency with the LWRP. That is
my motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. KIMACK: Thank you for your consideration. Have a good
evening.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Number four, Robert Brown Architects, PC on
Board of Trustees 44 April 13, 2022
behalf of DAVID SCHWARTZ requests a Wetland Permit to bring in
fill in order to raise the grade level around approximately Y2 of
the perimeter of the existing structure up 30" from the existing
grade level; the new grade will slope down from the house at
slopes varying from 17% to 30%; install a 6' long wood retaining
wall with a maximum height of 30" sloping to an.existing grade;
and install a 15' long stone retaining wall with a maximum
height of 30" sloping down to existing grade.
Located: 1015 Lakeside Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-90-4-5.1
The Trustees most recently visited this site on April 5th,
2022, noting that this was a straightforward application.
The LWRP found this application to be consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support
this application.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. BROWN: Robert Brown, on behalf of the applicant. Just a
quick backstory. When Dr. Schwartz bought the house, he took
possession of the existing certificate of occupancy for a
two-family dwelling, which has a garage underneath.
Recently we installed a swimming pool and patio on grade
level. And to complement the pool, Dr. Schwartz asked us to
design a renovation of the garage underneath the two-story
living space, to complement the swimming pool. We made a permit
application and the Building Department determined that in fact
because the foundation surrounding the garage was primarily
exposed, that they felt the two-story certificate of occupancy
was incorrect and deemed it a three-story house.
The landscape contractor met with the Building Department
and devised this scheme to partially cover part of the
foundation wall to make it a legal basement, and that's why we
are here.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Thank you. Is there anyone else here that
wishes to speak regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make'a make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL.AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to approve this application as
submitted.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Before we go to the next one, we'll take a
five-minute recess.
(After a recess, this proceeding continues as follows).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: We are back on the record.
Board of Trustees 45 April 13, 2022
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: We are on to Number 5, Robert Brown Architect,
PC on behalf of BRUCE & SARAH ROTHSTEIN requests a Wetland
Permit to install an in-ground pool with a hot tub (621sq.ft.),
construct a 475.5sq.ft. wooden deck surrounding proposed pool;
install an 8' diameter pool drywell off to the southwesterly
corner of pool/hot tub; install code compliant pool enclosure
fencing; and to replace existing 204.4sq.ft. wood deck on the
bluff with a new wood deck totaling 248.7sq.ft.
Located: 7390 Great Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel. SCTM# 1000-126-11-11
The Trustees visited the site on April 5th, and noted that
there was a question of the location of the pool equipment, that
does not appear on the plans, and requested a two-to-one tree
replacement.
The LWRP finds this project consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to not support
the application because the proposed pool is too close to the
top of the bluff, and the size of the proposed wood deck on the
bluff is not in compliance with Chapter 275.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak in regard to this
application?
MS. BROWN: Robert Brown, Architect, for the applicant. This is
simple and straightforward. We are looking to build a pool
surrounded by a deck attached to the house, and replace a deck
near the upper bluff, moving it back a foot and making it
slightly larger. Beyond that, there was a plan that was done
with the pool equipment,
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Yes. I'm sorry too interrupt. I was remiss in
noting the fact that we do have plans dated April 11th that
include the pool equipment as well as some sound sheathing for
the pool equipment. So, thank you.
There is also the addition of a ten-foot non-turf buffer.
And that's appreciated as well.
MS. BROWN: Right. Right. And from my point of view, it's pretty
straightforward. If you have any questions, I would be happy to
address them.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I do have one question as to the reason, just
in referencing the Conservation.Advisory Council report, to the
reason of enlarging the platform. There is a slight enlarging
on two sides. Very minimal. I didn't know if there was a
reason.
MS. BROWN: That I would have to ask my client. But he did make
the, what I thought was a reasonable gesture of moving the
entire structure one foot back from its original location.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay, thank you, for clarifying.
Is there anyone else who wishes to speak regarding this
application? .
(Negative response).
Any other comment from the Board?
(Negative response).
I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
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TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I make a motion to approve this application
with the new plans dated April 11th, 2022.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MS. BROWN: Thank you, all, very much.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 6, Twin Forks Permits on behalf of
LITTLE DUCKS REALTY, LLC requests a Wetland Permit to demolish
existing ±2,100sq.ft. dwelling with 366sq.ft. enclosed porch;
construct a proposed two-story dwelling further landward than
existing with a 2,341 sq.ft. first floor area, a 3,132sq.ft.
second floor area, and a 1,002sq.ft. area over attached
953sq.ft. garage for a total GFA at 6,475sq.ft.; a proposed
404sq.ft. front covered porch; a proposed 583sq.ft. rear covered
porch; a proposed 52sq.ft. side covered porch; and a proposed
834sq.ft. second floor deck; construct a proposed 800sq.ft.
swimming pool; remove existing septic system on seaward side of
dwelling and install a new I/A septic system landward of
proposed dwelling; and to install and perpetually maintain a 10'
wide non-turf buffer along the landward edge of the bulkhead.
Located: 2095 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-104-13-3
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council does not support the
application. The proposed pool setback of 53 feet is not in
compliance with Chapter 275.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection on April 5th,
noting that it seems the house conforms with the pier line,
looking for a ten-foot buffer from the bulkhead as well as a
fence added. Remove drywell further landward. And also get
screening for the pool equipment.
And we did receive new stamped plans April 11th.
Is.there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this application?
MS. POYER: Lisa Poyer on behalf of the applicant. This was a
grading plan that shows the proposed pool drywell that was just
completed. And the proposed pool drywell was shifted farther
away from the original location where it was shown during site
inspection, in line with the house, as well as the pool
equipment has been shown in line with the house, behind the
residence, it's shown clearly on the site plan that was prepared
by the architect.
So since your site inspection they have added a proposed
pool patio which will be pavers set in sand, which surround the
pool. It shows a short distance of ten-and-a-half feet between
the pool and the house patio area, so we've just shown it in
there surrounding the swimming pool.
The house is in line with the properties on either side, so
it meets the pier line. And the house, existing house is 75.5
feet from the bulkhead. The proposed house will meet that same
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setback. It will be at a little bit of an angle, so the one
point meets that, the other point and majority of the house will
be landward of the location.
The sanitary system which is located between the house and
the bulkhead will be located to a conforming location, to meet
the Trustee requirements. And the applicant is proposing a
ten-foot wide non-turf buffer. It matches the property to the
south, as well as the property to the north has no buffer
currently. Does anyone have any questions?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Yes. So on the original site plan dated
March 29th, stamped received in the office March 31st, it shows
a pier line with a proposed house located 106.2 feet from the
bulkhead. So now we have the new site plan, dated 4/8/2022,
stamped received April 11th, 2022. This shows the house located
77.3 feet to the bulkhead, with that same pier line.
So I'm confused how we have the pier line in one that was
at excess of 100 feet, and the same pier line now at 77 feet.
MS. POYER: The original house, the owner went after the property
was staked, shown on the property, and noted that he was
landward of the other two residences on either side of him, and
brought the application to be in line with the pier line on
either of the two residents on either side.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So was the original pier line in the first
site plan inaccurate?
MS. POYER: There is no pier line on the original site plan.
It's that magenta line.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: On the original it shows the estimate of the
neighboring properties and there is a line coming out straight
from it, then it cuts straight across your original proposal.
MS. POYER: (Perusing).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right here. This says approximate location of
neighboring house.
MS. POYER: This is actually the 100-foot bulkhead offset.
That's not meant to be a pier line.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay.
MS. POYER: Because the neighboring house over here is more
seaward. That is the 100-foot bulkhead offset line. It just
happens to coincide with that point of the house, which if you
look at the aerial, this neighboring house is actually seaward
up here as well. That's the one, that corner, which is offset
from the.seaward point.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So do we have a pier line on this new site
plan?
MS. POYER: This plan is on the aerial. And you can see the red
line. Yes, that one. That is, it's showing the nearest point
to this house and the nearest point to that house, and it's
landward of it.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Sorry, so we,are at the edge of the house,
the yellow--
MS. POYER: This line here, back to here, back. This is the
covered patio. So this is the nearest point of the house here.
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So it is still landward of the --
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay.
Next question. When we were in the field it didn't mention
anything about a patio going right up to the pool. Then now we
have a patio.
MS. POYER: We have a patio.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Also, the pool has been moved about ten feet
closer. Is there any place to move that back to conform with the
50-foot setback from the pool?
MS. POYER: That would put the pool immediately next to the
house, less than a foot from the house.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It seems there can be a workaround for that.
I'll be very frank, with this application, we visited this in the
field on the 5th, and I walked away and said, wow, that's a
straightforward application. How refreshing someone is moving
away from the wetlands with all structures.
So we are not there anymore at all with this. I have a
hard time granting a pool to go closer, with such a depth of lot,
to go closer than the 50-foot required setback. I think that's
a big stretch for me.
MS. POYER: Can I pull the pool from the application and just
have the residence reviewed in the same, meeting the same
wetland setback as currently exists? And I could come back to
you with a new application for a swimming pool at that later
time?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We would need new plans not showing a pool
MS. POYER: I can do that. I can get that to you as a condition.
I can take off the pool and the patio.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So I mean we are dangerously close to what I
would consider segmentation of the application here, saying
you'll come back with a pool. I think there would have to be
some sort of understanding that it is most likely a pool would
not be appropriate in this location if the house is sited so
close to the wetland. So it might be smart to consult with your
client moving forward. That's just my two cents on the matter.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: And the pier line itself, you know, it should
apply for all structures, for the most part. And I think you
saw it on a previous application where you are putting the house
as close as physically possible to the wetlands, so with us
potentially granting that, I don't think-- I think it's asking
for a little too much if we are proposing other structures
seaward of that line.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Fair way to say it.
MS. POYER: Okay, so table the application.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Is there anyone else here wishing to speak
regarding this application?
(Negative response). -
Questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I'll make a motion to table this
application.
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TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
_(ALL AYES),
MS. POYER: Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 7, Lena DeSantis on behalf of
NORA TUTHILL GLUECK requests a Wetland Permit for the existing
approximately 490sq.ft. one-story club house with adjoining
424sq.ft. deck and 50sq.ft. back deck with steps; existing
390sq.ft. of patio pavers; existing 144sq.ft. "spar" shed;
remove the roof, deck supports, deck and patio; construct a new
roof in same footprint as existing; construct a new 112sq.ft.
deck; and install 700sq.ft. of patio pavers with no expansion of
use as a result of the property repairs.
Located: 1400 Old Harbor Road, New Suffolk. SCTM# 1000-117-5-14.1
The Trustees most recently have visited this site on the
5th of April and noted it's a straightforward application,
discussing at work session that it was tidying up what was
essentially already present at the site.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be both consistent and
inconsistent. Inconsistent is the as-built structures that do
not predate Board of Trustees regulations are recommended as
inconsistent in that they do not have a Trustees permit. And
the structures that are constructed prior to the Board of
Trustees regulations are recommended as consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application. And I do have a letter in the file from a
NewYorkExaminers@yahoo.com which we have reviewed, noting
a few concerns about the project including the shed obstructing the
view of the children running around; the pavers not being
natural; there is a site plan, and barbecuing subject to
proximity of the water, et cetera. It's essentially not in
favor of the activities at this site.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. DESANTIS: My name is Lena DeSantis, on behalf of the
applicant. Here to answer any questions, if have you any.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, thank you. Is there anyone else here
wishing to speak regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to approve this application
which will grant a permit thereby bringing it into consistency
with the LWRP coordinator.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
(ALL AYES).
MS. DESANTIS: Thank you.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 8, Joan Chambers on behalf of
Board of Trustees 50 April 13, 2022
KONSTANTINOS D. KATSIRIS & JULIA MELINDA ORLIE KATSIRIS
requests a Wetland Permit to construct additions to.the existing dwelling
consisting of a 341 sq.ft. one-story addition on the north
(landward) side of existing dwelling; a 45sq.ft. extension on
the north (landward) side of the existing attached unheated,
one-car garage for a total footprint of 2,223.5sq.ft. dwelling
with attached garage (excluding deck, balcony, front porch and
side stoop); construct a 17'4"x4'0" (69sq.ft.) second-floor
balcony on south (lake) side of dwelling; construct a
12'0"x10'0" (120sq.ft.) wood framed, ground level deck on south
(lake) side of dwelling; and for the 870sq.ft. as-built
renovation of existing basement.
Located: 400 Lakeside Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-90-3-3
The LWRP found this application to be consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support
the application.
The Trustees most recently visited the site on April 5th,
2022. Trustee Peeples has written: Clarify site plan around new
deck. Condition a 15-foot buffer on finger and mapping
wetlands.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak on behalf of this
application?
MS. CHAMBERS: Yes. I'm Joan Chambers, speaking behalf of the
owners.
Last week Elizabeth approached me and asked me to have the
survey revised to address some of the concerns we had after you
had done the site visit. The surveyor sent me a digital copy
which I printed and delivered, and I don't know if the original
paper copies were delivered to you on time or not. They were
going to mail them.
MS. CANTRELL: They are in. They should be in the file.
MS. CHAMBERS: Thank you. And that reflects the non-turf buffer
that you requested and the mapping of the wetlands.
TRUSTEE SEPENOS_KI: We have received a new survey stamped
April 13th, 2022.
Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak to this
application?
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I know that this is a relatively minor
addition to the house which probably would not trigger an IA
system, but I would urge your client to consider it given the
proximity of their current septic system to the wetland. It's
definitely in a flood zone and it's a very sensitive area.
MS. CHAMBERS: An IA system was applied for over two months ago,
and the last time I spoke to the Board of Health they basically
have approved it, but they are waiting for a DEC approval of its
location.
DEC, I spoke to them a few days ago, and they said within
two weeks they are going to release their permit with the IA
system located on the landward side of the house in the front
yard. So I think should that should address your issues.
I can give you that paperwork once l receive it so you can
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have it for your records.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: That's great to hear. I don't think it's
necessary for us to render a decision.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Is there anyone else wishing to speak to this
application?
(No response).
Hearing no one, I move to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I move to approve this application with the
new plans stamped April 13th, 2022.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All n favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Number 9, Jennifer Wicks on behalf of
FRANK & CHRISTINE MANGANO requests a Wetland Permit for
the existing one-story dwelling and attached garage with a 2,138sq.ft.
footprint; construct a 37.3'x29.7' (1,107.8sq.ft.) second story
addition with a 31'x8' (248sq.ft.) second story deck.
Located_: 370 Sunset Way, Southold. SCTM# 1000-91-1-7
The Trustees visited the site on April 5th, and noted that
due to the number of bedrooms in this house, that number seven,
an IA system would be recommended. And also noted just to
confirm that the support of the second-floor deck does not sit
forward of the seaward line of the house.
We have plans in the file dated January 19th, 2022.
And the LWRP has proposed that this application is exempt
from review pursuant to the additions to an existing building or
rebuild of a residential structure which results in no net
increase in ground area coverage, except for the parcel is
located in the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to not
support this application because there is not enough information
on the septic system and adequate drainage plan.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MS. WICKS: Yes. Jennifer Wicks on behalf of the applicant. I
know Zoning has also asked about the septic as well. The
Mangano's have applied for the grant. Because, I guess, I had
looked for any kind of permits or COs for septic, and he had
said that the old owner, he thought he had a new septic system.
But he doesn't know where it is. So I told him that was going
to be a possibility. So he already applied for the grant and we
would go forward with an IA system. And as far as drainage, he
would have no problem putting in drywells. And we could submit
a plan with drywells and the IA system as well.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: That would be great. Thank you.
Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak to this
application?
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(No response).
Any other comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Only that we could probably just stipulate the
IA with the application.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: For this case, yes.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Would that be agreeable?
MS. WICKS: Yes.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Sounds good. Any other comments from the Board
(Negative response).
I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I make a motion to approve this application
with the conditions of an IA system and the drywells associated
with this project.
MS. WICKS: Okay, thank you.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Number 10, Costello Marine Contracting Corp.
on behalf of FOUNDERS LANDING BOAT YARD, LLC requests a Wetland
Permit to reconstruct previously existing 24.5'x59' building #5
and 24.5'x34.5' building #6 that were destroyed by a fire on
6/1.0/2021.
Located: 1000 Terry Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-64-3-11
The LWRP found this proposal to be consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support
this application.
I am in receipt of a letter from Jill Wagner addressed
"gentlemen." Fortunately we have gentle ladies here. We are in
receipt of the notice to adjacent property owners in connection
with the above-referenced matter. We are the adjacent property
owners.
Given the fact that the applicant intends to rebuild,
objection is made to the reconstruction without the restriction
on the use of the flammable material within the structure,
including paint, varnishes and rags which have been exposed to
such material, and the installation of an adequate fire
suppression system.
Given the fact that the proposed reconstruction abuts our
property line, and the fire which took place there in June of
2021 has caused damage to our and our neighbor's home, we believe
it is incumbent on the Board of Trustees to relocate the
previous building to a location further from the residences
abutting the property and closer to Hobart Road.
The Trustees most recently visited the site on April 5th,
noting to check permit history; question of variance of property
line; questioned running water; questioned electric; and
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questioned septic.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak about this application?
MS. COSTELLO: Yes, Jane Costello, and I'm the owner of the
Founders Landing Boat Yard.
Okay, so let me quickly just go over what we are doing,
then I'll address my neighbor's letter and everything.
So a fire occurred June of last year, June 10th of last
year, and totally consumed the existing building, which has been
existing since sometime in the '40s. So it is a nonconforming
building.
The use of the building is a storage shed. We hope to keep
it a storage shed. The property is zoned Marine 2, so it is a
conforming use of the property.
So under the Zoning regulations, I am allowed, when a
structure is destroyed by fire and other natural causes, that I
can reconstruct as long as the dimensions of the structure
remain the same. So I'm staying within the exact footprint of
the original structure. The roof line is exactly the same, the
pitch of the roof line is the same. The difference is that I'm
also mandated to be FEMA compliant. And so in order to be FEMA
compliant, they want the finished floor basically would be at
Elevation 8.
The surrounding area of the boatyard, the boatyard, per
se, is at Elevation 4. So Elevation 8 is a huge jump. So we
couldn't comply with that. So in order to mitigate that factor,
what we did was we made the finished floor Elevation 6. We kept
the side of the building all concrete surround, all doorways
have flood proofing and everything, and from Elevation 8 down is
completely waterproof, it's completely flood proof, and that
conforms to FEMA regulations.
The downside is the way the building was, the long section,
'the lower roof line section, it was all barn doors, right, we
could open it all up and move in stuff like that. But with
raising the elevation, I don't have the room to put any kind of
access ramp. So I had to make that one wall solid and I had to
put the opening on the end, with access ramps to get up to
Elevation 6. So it's access ramps that are coming up about two
feet.
Everything else -- okay, so my neighbors, they're worried,
of course, about another fire happening, and all, as far as
flammable materials and things like that, we are mandated by
OSHA, as is any commercial entity. I don't think really it, to
put a mandate, the Trustees to put a mandate that nothing can be
in there, I'can only handle flammables only a certain way. They
have to be contained a certain way, they have to be, and we'll
address, you know, we will definitely handle all the OSHA
mandates, and we'll also do whatever the fire marshal wants.
But I think for a shed less than 5,000 square-feet, they are not
going to want or mandate sprinklers or anything like that.
There is, it's a storage shed. It's very similar to their own
garage, which I know it's also been consumed by a fire. But my
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neighbors, both those houses are zoned Marine 2, as am I, and
the garages are separate entities from the residence. So their
garages are storage as well.
So they really were concerned about our buildings being too
close together. They have more flexibility and more room to move
their garages that would not really inhibit the rest the
property, than I do.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: But at this point their garages are there and
this building is not here.
MS. COSTELLO: Their garage was consumed by fire. The one,
Patricia DiCarlo, which is one in front, which is the waterfront
side where the pool is, was also consumed by fire. So they have
the opportunity to move it.
I understand, it's my understanding they were issued a
building permit. I don't believe they came to the Trustees, and
I don't believe the Building Inspector mandated them VE6. I
still think it's in Trustee jurisdiction and I do think it's
still in DEC jurisdiction.
So I get it, they poured their foundation, they started to
build, but if they are having concerns they shouldn't put the
regulations on me. They should just move their garage back.
They have more flexibility. They have 100-foot depth to their
property.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I do believe that their concern is legit.
You know--
MS. COSTELLO: They're three feet off the property line and I'm
nine feet off the property line.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: But two wrongs don't make a right. If there
were proper setbacks on this, potentially any fire, whether it
started in the shed or that garage, would not spread to an
adjacent structure. And I think that is their concern.
MS. COSTELLO: I get it. And vice versa.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Absolutely. Um, you know, obviously I'm
intimately familiar with this piece of property and that
building. And when it was constructed back in the '40s, '50s,
whatever it was, the setbacks and everything were not as much of
a concern, not only for the adjacent property but for the
distance to the wetland as well.
So originally that was all just dredge spoil, and that was
built back in the day. Now, you know, in 2022, we know better
than what they did in 1940 where they just built in wetlands'and
just built whatever, wherever. And as you mentioned, with the
neighbor of having room to potentially move their garage, there
is also the ability to move a building/shed of some sort further
away from the wetlands from this Board as far as that corner
lot. I believe the current distance is 24, 25 feet away from
the bulkhead and, whatever it is, nine feet from the property
line.
You know, and also it's not necessarily going back as is,
where is. As you mentioned, you have to go higher. So a
one-story shed wood structure used to have a dirt floor, now
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being, I don't know what the height is, with a cement floor,
everything like that, is not the way it was.
That would be my concern.
MS. COSTELLO: It's a nonconforming with a conforming-use
structure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right. So it predates Trustees. So it's
non-permitted, nonconforming structure.
I guess the hardship for the Trustees is this site is a
very developed site. I mean, obviously we try to work very, we
try to work very closely with marine operations, marina's,
working waterfronts, et cetera. But in viewing this as a new
application, which the Board of Trustees has to, as opposed to
ZBA, it is a difficult lift to approving essentially, you know,
a new structure, this close to the wetlands, on such an already
developed site. For me it's kind of a heavy lift. I wonder if
there were no other options that could be explored that we could
work with you on moving forward.
MS. COSTELLO: Okay, so I, at no point will I get a structure
with that footprint, that size, to be conforming, okay, because
I just don't have the room. And I don't know if like everybody,
I'm sure Glenn understands, but this is a separate structure
that the property line runs right down the middle of the boat
basin. It's two separate properties. And so this is the
primary structure of the property.
But I know that you see that empty lot, but that empty lot
is kind of like an angled lot. It's only 15 feet on the Terry
Road side, and so you come out and there is going to be property
line issues. The structure will actually be closer to the
residence than it is going to be to the garage.
There's fire issues, you don't want a commercial build --
they're using their Marine 2 site as a residence, right? So you
don't want a storage shed where there they are fearful it's
going to be another fire, closer to a residence, you know.
I mean it's unfortunate the event that took place that
night, but, you know, we can thank mother nature, we can thank
God, that only the garage went. You know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: For me -- sorry. Go ahead. I didn't want to
interrupt.
MS. COSTELLO: No, go ahead.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: For me, I know Trustee Goldsmith mentioned the
fire concern. He might be a little jaded, being a fireman, but I
just call the fire department if there is an issue. But for me
I'm more concerned about the environmental concerns than trying
to move the structure away from the wetlands. I'm just curious
if there is any way to do that that we can work with you on.
MS. COSTELLO: I don't think that footprint I can move. It's not
like I can take it and angle it and it's going to make a better
situation. I really don't.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I don't believe it necessarily has to be the
exact footprint. You know, there is room for a different, potentially,
sized structure 4in a different location that would address our primary
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concerns being met with proximity to the wetlands, but still give you
the ability to store boats or whatever within it. And once this is cleared
out; you know, speaking from experience, that's a good spot to store
boats on land where that previous building was. So I don't think you'll
lose capacity as far as storage.
MS. COSTELLO: Well, what we were storing there is primarily a
storage shed at the time of the fire. So mean, so there was 70,
80-foot masts in the building, that were valued at like 70 to 80
thousand dollars. I mean it was a huge loss. Also, in there
were three small boats. Urn, and then all, what it is, these
boat boxes, because Wooden Boatworks on the other side of the
basin, they are doing construction and repairs to boats. So
they store all of the stuff that people have on their boats in
these boxes. So it was like a mishmash of coffee pots and life
preservers that went up in flames. Um, that is our really,
right now, that's our intent. Now if I go and I, 1 still have
to make a living. You know what I mean? I do have to make a
living. So right now I have 2,500 square feet or I had 2,500
square feet that I was renting out.
I do not have that income. If I make the footprint
smaller, it's not going to be for storage. I have to make the
same income. Do you understand? I mean, if I go and all of a
sudden I can only build something that is a thousand square
feet, I still have to make income to make the mortgage and
things like that. So the use, I'm, you know, I have to go to
ZBA and everything, I would be more prone to change the
use of the building.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Unfortunately, while I appreciate what you are
saying with income, the Trustees can't really look at it through
that lens. So I,don't want to design anything for you. I certainly
don't have the answers. But I mean if it was used as a storage
shed to store long masts, I don't know that you need the height,
or obviously the height is FEMA, but certainly not the width to do
that. It's, I mean you must understand it's a difficult
situation we are placed in, looking at this from an
environmental standpoint. It's a pretty big lift.
MS. COSTELLO: I do. I understand that. But what I'm trying to
say is that if I move it to that empty lot and I make the
footprint smaller, in all likelihood I'm going to change the
use. And then we are going to be talking about adding water and
we are going to adding septic and we are going to add all these
things that you really don't want.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We are not going to add that.
MS. COSTELLO: You're not going to add that? I'm going to --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No, we're not going to add that. Certainly not
MS. COSTELLO: Great. But if I want to make an office as Marine
use, this is a marina, and I'm allowed an office. This is what
I'm saying. Like, I have to make an income.
So right now, right before you, right now, I'm just asking
for a storage shed, no water, no septic. Just a building that's
been there, replaced. It's been there for 75 years.
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TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: But it was never permitted by the Trustees,
correct?
MS. COSTELLO: That is correct. But this concept that I heard,
even tonight, I'm not quite understanding. It sounds to me like
anyone who has waterfront property that has a nonconforming,
existing structure, regardless if they have a CO, you guys want
applications for existing buildings. To legalize it.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: In case of an act of God.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: We are getting off track here.
MS. HULSE: I think we need to get back to the application at
hand. It sounds like there are some issues, where the Trustees
have issues that are significant.
So I'm not sure at this juncture if you want to close the
hearing or table, but it's getting a little repetitive now.
This is not under Trustees actual consideration in deciding this
application.
Did you wish for it to be handled?
MS. COSTELLO: I guess, yeah. Then can we open discussions
later? Because it seems like there has got to be a lot of
discussions.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, I guess the question is do you wish to
table the application to make any modifications to your
application.
MS. COSTELLO: I don't know.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: As it is now, we don't see any drywells on the
application. We would need to see where all the runoff would go
for to us fully consider this application. That would be the
minimum.
So I propose that we table this application for submission
of new drawings.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If she wants it to be tabled.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: If you wish for it to be tabled.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because that would be a modification, obviously
to the plans.
MS. COSTELLO: That's fine. That's fine.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: May I ask one question on the record. What was
the height, not from grade, what was the height of the existing
building? Do you have that information?
MS. COSTELLO: I thought that was on the plan. But I could be
mistaken. I do have it. If it's not on the plan, I could put
it on the revised plan.
So of course there is no, you know, we are doing our best
to judge what the height was. Regardless.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Of course.
MS. COSTELLO: Like I said, I thought it was -- I don't have it.
I'll put those on the plans, so. I know I have them.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay. That would be helpful. The reason for my
question is just, you know, obviously this is an important part
of the neighborhood, in replacing what was there, you know, just
to take into consideration the character. And while I
understand you have to comply with FEMA, you know, raising the
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building up to comply, in addition to raising the height, does
then create a much larger visual building on that site.
MS. COSTELLO: Right, right. It was not like a huge building. I
don't want you to think that, that, you know, if I had my
choice, I would not make it four-foot higher, I would put it
right back the way it was. That would be my intent. It's the
intent to restore it that FEMA is just a mandate that is being
placed on me.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I understand that. If you could supply what you
guestimate is the original height, that would be helpful.
MS. COSTELLO: Okay.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Thank you.
MS. COSTELLO: And drywells.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to table this application for
submission of new drawings.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All n favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 11, Stephen Kiely, Esq. on behalf of
2500 SOUNDVIEW, LLC requests a Wetland Permit to install a proposed
10'10"x24'0" in-ground pool; install a proposed 282sq.ft. pool patio to be
connected to existing 271 sq.ft. patio; install a drywell for pool backwash;
install a pool equipment area; and install 4' high pool enclosure fencing.
Located: 2500 Soundview Avenue, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-94-2-1.5
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council supports the application
with the condition the patio is not extended between the pool
and the pond.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection April 5th, noting
requesting a 15-foot wide non-turf vegetated buffer.
We do have new plans stamped received April 11th, 2022,
that show the proposed 15-foot buffer.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. KIELY: Yes, sir. Stephen Kiely Esq. Good morning,
Mr. President and the rest the Board.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Good morning? Must have been a long
day for you.
(Off the record comments).
MR. KIELY: So, I would like to say, good morning, Mr. President,
and the rest the Board. My name is Stephen Kiely and I'm the
attorney for the applicant, 2500 Soundview LLC.
I'm here tonight with Robert Anderson, the more handsome
and the one with better hair from Suffolk Environmental than
Bruce. And I'll turn it over to him shortly.
The subject property is located in the AC Zoning district.
It's a 24,731 square-foot lot. It is improved with a dwelling,
an attached patio and some decking.
The house actually has an interesting history. The former
owner of the property was a world-renowned commercial architect
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and he incorporated different commercial elements into the
interior, and then also the exterior. He actually designed the
McDonald's in Times Square. And he would use this house as a
place to entertain potential clients and friends. He dubbed the
house Frog Hollow due to the large number of frogs who call the
pond home.
We are asking the Board for permission to construct an
approximately 10'x24' inground vinyl pool and a 282 square-foot
patio landward of the pool; install a fool fence, pool equipment
and a drywell.
In addition, as requested, my clients will have a 15-foot
non-turf buffer placed on his property as shown on the
referenced survey.
And as the President referenced, the LWRP coordinator found
our proposal consistent with the LWRP, and the Conservation
Advisory Council supported same.
It is clear that the proposed pool holding a 52-fo6t
setback and the patio holding approximately a 75-foot setback,
which should be noted is in full conformity with the minimum
setbacks for pools and related structures pursuant to Section
275-3(d)(1)(a)(5), along with the buffer, meets the standards as
enunciated in Section 275-12 for the issuance of a permit.
Thus, this seemingly,should be a straightforward application and
I should be in and out of here. However as the fly in the
ointment, as you are aware, is that there were signs of clearing
up to the pond that you observed during your site inspection.
Also you noticed what appears to be new correction off the
existing patio.
My client are new to the area and had no idea that they
could not remove vegetation without Trustee approval. They
removed mostly bamboo, which is invasive, on the property. They
are extremely apologetic for doing that, and they hired Suffolk
Environmental to prepare a plan to immediately bring the
property into compliance. And I have that plan to share with
you tonight. They willingly accept responsibility and will not
fight the violation that was issued. They were issued the
violation, we'll go to court, take our lumps.
Additionally, as to the alleged new structure, it was
merely that my clients reduced the size of the existing patio,
to level it off in anticipation of the proposed pool. So they
just took, if I can use the term "saw," to saw it out into a
little triangle to make it flush with where the pool is going to
go. And the previous, you know, two-story patio had retaining
railroad ties along it. And the railroad ties are still there.
He just gave it a facelift. And I have pictures of what he did.
'So again, in doing that, they jumped the gun again. They
should have ideally came here and asked for approval. But they
did not. But they did reduce an impermeable structure within
your jurisdiction.
Anyway, if I may approach, Ms. Hulse?
MS. HULSE: You may.
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MR. KIELY: I have the copies of the vegetation plan. Here is a
picture of the patio with the railroad ties.
(Pictures being displayed to the Board).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: When was that picture dated?
MR. KIELY: I don't know what the date was, but it was before
they did any work to it. So it's the retaining, the railroad
ties are here. Then here is where they cut it. Here is where
they put that, to cover up the railroad ties. And here is
pictures of what it looked like before the clearing was
done. And then I have the old survey that shows the layout.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So just, I mean, do you want to pass out the
survey first?
MR. KIELY: Sure this may answer a question, maybe.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Maybe.
MR. KIELY: So this is when the property was purchased. This is
what the survey was. And as you can see, that's the patio. And
what they did here was put that triangle, which was a step down.
They just cut it off. So they can stick that pool back there.
(Inaudible).
And don't believe what you see on Google Earth. Please.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So my issue, I'm assuming you realize, if you
look at Google Earth there is no patio or anything. It's just trees.
MR. KIELY: No, no, it's always been a patio there. Without a doubt
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I mean, did you look at Google Earth?
MR. KIELY: No, 'it's just because there was trees over it. Wait, look at that
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is nice. That's not the structure,.is it?
MR. KIELY: No, where is the pond.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Okay, so that's a better. I mean that one is a
little harder to see, but it's a pretty good illustration of--
I don't see a patio.
MR. KIELY: It's definitely clouded. It's like --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You see it? Okay. So regardless, there was far
more vegetation cleared than the pictures or the Trustees
realized on our site inspection. So certainly I think I,
myself, would be looking for a larger restoration effort than we
originally expressed to your client onsite. Because we didn't
realize the extent of the clearing.
MR. KIELY: Without a doubt. Like I showed you some pictures of
what it looked like. There is a lot of bamboo, and they took
that out.
And now I'm going to turn the mic over to Mr. Anderson to
describe,. he came up with a very nice proposed re-vegetation
plan. And I can bring the realtor in here to attest to the fact
the patio was there. We did not build that.
And, so, Mr. Anderson would you like to chime in on this.
MR. ANDERSON: Yes. My name is Robert Anderson, Suffolk
Environmental Consulting, in furtherance of Mr. Kiely's matter.
If you have any questions regarding the plan I prepared, I
would be more than happy to answer them. And I'm happy to answer
any questions of the vegetation onsite. And the images.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: This plan is stamped received April 13th,
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2022. Is that the proposed planting plan?
MR. ANDERSON: Yes, sir.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So we are looking to do a couple of
Buttonbush and some Switchgrass?
MR. ANDERSON: I found that to be appropriate for the area, yes
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Do you see that pictured on the screen?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Can you go back to the other one, please, the
aerial.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: That'll work. So it seems like there was a
lot more clearing than a couple of Buttonbush and Switchgrass.
MR. ANDERSON: All that was there that I can tell was
predominantly bamboo. I have no evidence to suggest there was
older growth there that was removed.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I think we saw some stumps in the field
inspection
MR. KIELY: There was a couple of trees, not in the area
immediately adjoining the pond. If I can just come back up.
The picture, this is, again, when it was bought, that was the
picture so you can see all that bamboo. And you were on the
property and there is a lot of bamboo
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: There is a lot of bamboo. And I don't think
we necessarily have an issue clearing bamboo, since it is an
invasive. However, it looks to me like there was more coverage
than just bamboo on this property that is no longer there..
MR. ANDERSON: If I may, from what Iwas able to observe this
morning when I visited the site, it looks like there was partial
trimming of the Maple that's there on the street side of where
the clearing was. That's as far as the other coverage I was
able to see onsite.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It would appear to get that kind of coverage
over the patio to the point I couldn't see it myself, it has to
be more than -- because bamboo grows straight up and down.
Certainly there could be shading, depending on the angle of the
satellite taking the picture. But I would make an argument
there was mature buffers or trees up against or near the patio, so I
mean that whole yard in effect was closed in. So to permit in a
new pool with such an egregious clearing violation without at
least putting in a little more effort into the rest of the yard.
In the field inspection, we looked at the buffer because it
appeared that was the only clearing. But it seems to me that we
should get something that is a little more extensive than what
is proposed.
MR. KIELY: And they have no problem with that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It seems like they didn't, yes.
MR. KIELY: When was that taken, that aerial?
MS. CANTRELL: This is what comes up --
MR. KIELY: It should be a date of when the picture was taken.
On the bottom right-hand corner.
MS. CANTRELL: There isn't. That's the left-hand corner.
MR. KIELY: Because again, there may have been much more dense
vegetation before my client purchased the property. But we are
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willing to augment the plan and put some more stuff in, you
know. Again, they are very apologetic. They just want to do
what's right and be able to move on from this. And whatever you
suggest.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Understood. I guess my thought is if we are,
if you are applying to this house as a new build, it would be a
very different conversation because of your proximity to the
wetland. So it would be nice to see a planting plan, something
to mitigate those concerns. Obviously, turf is not an ideal
situation on a property such as this.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I don't necessarily think we have a
problem with the proposed pool and patio. We are down to the
vegetation and the clearing to try to replicate to some extent
what was previously there. And the current planting plan falls
a little short.
MR. ANDERSON: So as a matter of clarification, you would like to
see increased variety in the plan or just increased quantity?
Because I can do both.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Both. Trees as well.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: The most important factor here is the health
of the wetland adjacent to the property. It's not, we see on
there, it's not retaliation in some way. It's to preserve what
is a healthy, freshwater wetland.
MR. ANDERSON: I would imagine so.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Which, little frogs, muskrats coming by while
we were there.
MR. KIELY: I went out there today, it was about 25 frogs making
noise.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And we want to keep them there. Unless they are
already cooking at your house now.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: And just,one other thing, when we get the new
plans with vegetation, we need to update the project description
to account for the patio section that was removed.
MR. KIELY: Okay, we can do that. Is there any way we can do a
subject-to situation? Because again, you know, the LWRP,
Conservation Advisory Council, everybody supports it, you say
you support it but for the vegetation, and if we can get an
approval tonight, subject to your approval of the re-vegetation
plan, that would be amazing.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I do believe you mentioned you don't even
have a court date yet, correct?
MR. KIELY: That's not my fault. We would go tomorrow.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So I don't know if we really need to rush this.
MR. KIELY: No, we'll go in there and pay a fine.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: To get an approved re-vegetation plan in
front of us before we make a final determination on this
project, due to the extent of the clearing, it would probably be
best bet. So if, you know, we are talking one month. So if you
don't have a court date as of yet, I don't think necessarily one
month will really delay anything.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I would agree with that. I think, you know, we
try to help expedite people when we can. But if we are
talking about adding five more feet to the buffer, I would be
willing to do subject-to. But we I think we are talking about
some mature trees, some, you know, adding the patio, increasing
the buffer, kind of enclosing that rear yard space. Mitigating.
You know, especially because we are granting a fair amount of
leniency for the pool, within the hundred foot from the pond
there.
MR. KIELY: It is the minimum setback
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: 50 feet from the bulkhead, right?
MR. KIELY: No, there is no bulkhead. It's just 50 feet from the
boundary. And we are a little more than that.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Right. So as Trustee Sepenoski mentioned, our
primary concern is the wetland and the pond.
MR. KIELY: Which is ours.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: And there are nine plants proposed, which I
think falls short of our protection of that wetland.
MR. KIELY: But five-hundred plugs.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Yes. But there was also the mature trees and
things like that.
MR. KIELY: We can throw in some trees certainly. And I'll just
defer to the experts on what to put in there. But I was just
trying again to expedite this because the season, you know, they
want to have a pool for the season, and we are trying to line up
contractors and, you know, once you get bumped if you get
someone lined up, you get bumped, you don't see them again for
six, seven, eight months. Because we are simpatico. We want
to give you what you want. We'll pay the fine. And our, like we
want the health of the pond to survive because we like the fact
that it's Frog Hollow. We like the fact that, you know, so we
have to do something with the mosquitos. I was there and there
was a million mosquitos. So we might have bat traps, not bat
traps.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: It's sounding like it's moving in the right
direction. When we were at the site, the applicants were eager
to further develop patios and pergolas and the sky was the limit
with what they were going to do then. According to the
applicants they learned about these things called wetlands,
which you could imagine our surprise.
MR. KIELY: You have people from up-island, they don't know.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: One other point, when you come back with the
new plans, we would like to see it be a saltwater pool.
MR. KIELY: No problem. Is there any way I can come to a
Work session prior to the next meeting and show you the plans and
make sure that it's sufficient?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Our next work session,is Monday, May 16th,
2022. Or you can submit it as soon as you have it ready, and we
can, when we do field inspection, we can review any new plans
and contact you with any questions.
MR. KIELY: That would be perfect.
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TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Anyone else here wishing to speak regarding
this application?
(No response).
Hearing no further comments, I make a motion to table this application.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. KIELY: Thank you, very much, for your time tonight. I appreciate it.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you, sir.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 12, En-Consultants on behalf of JOHN &
LYNN SCOTT requests a Wetland Permit to partially reconstruct,
alter, and renovate existing 1 & 2 story dwelling and
appurtenances as follows (project meets Town Code definition of
demolition): Partially reconstruct, in-place (i.e., provide new
roof and partially reconstruct existing walls over existing
deck/foundation, to remain), approximately 848sq.ft. one-story
portion of dwelling and 1,081sq.ft. two-story portion of
dwelling; remove 56sq.ft. portion of dwelling; construct
439sq.ft. waterside porch (within existing footprint of
514sq.ft. porch), with 5.5'x6.6' steps; construct onto one-story
portion of dwelling a 16sq.ft. one-story addition, 22sq.ft.
one-story addition, and 283sq.ft. deck addition with 7'x7' hot
tub and 3.2'x4.1' steps; construct onto two-story portion of
dwelling a 37sq.ft. covered porch entry and a 128sq.ft. 1 & 2
story addition in place of existing second floor
enclosure/overhang and roofed-over patio; relocated basement
entrance and construct 30sq.ft. stoop and 5.4'x8.4' steps;
remove garage overhang, renovate garage and install 104sq.ft.
stone apron in place of concrete apron; install 336sq.ft.
pervious gravel patio, 222sq.ft. pervious patio, 86sq.ft.
masonry patio, 4'x8' outdoor shower over stone pavers, various
stepping stones, and concrete HVAC pad; place and grade
approximately 50 cubic yards clean fill to raise grade up to one
(1) foot, on waterside of dwelling; install 142 linear feet of
masonry retaining wall (max. 3' high), along westerly property
line; remove existing treilis, timber retaining walls, and
steps, install 30 linear feet of masonry retaining wall (max.
1.5' high), and place approximately 125 cubic yards clear fill
to raise grade up to 2.5', on landward side of dwelling; remove
driveway and install new pervious gravel driveway with 396sq.ft.
parking areas; remove existing conventional septic system and
install new I/A sanitary system, install stormwater drainage
system, abandon drinking water well; remove overhead electric
service, replace buried LP tank and generator, and install
public water service, buried electrical service, and closed loop
geothermal filed; remove and replace in place 4'x6' wood landing
and 4'x6' wood steps to beach; and to establish and maintain
area seaward of dwelling as a non-turf buffer area.
Located: 495 North Parish Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-71-1-5.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be inconsistent.
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Speaking specifically to the one foot using 50 cubic yards of
fill on seaward side of the residence. How will this grade
affect the adjacent properties. The applicant proposes to raise
the grade landward of the residence by 2.5 feet with 125 cubic
yards of fill, which is large amount. How will the grade change
affect the adjacent properties.
I believe that the Trustees echoed this concern and brought
this to the applicant who moved the retaining wall line off the
neighboring properties, addressing that concern as stated.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application with retractable steps at the base of the retaining
wall.
The Trustees most recently viewed the application and noted
that they would review further at work session, which they did
review the plans, stamped received March 30th, and noted that
there is the retaining wall at the neighboring property has been
moved in roughly three feet, and that there is stipulated
planting in front of it.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding the
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Robert Herrmann of En-Consultants on behalf of the
applicant.
Nick, you.summarized that correctly. We discussed the
application last month. We talked about a lot of benefits that
the project would provide. It's primarily the reconstruction of
first and second floors of the existing foundation, with some
minor footprint additions and reductions including a smaller
waterside screened porch and deck addition on the side of the
house.
We talked about the fact that the project results in
increase in wetland setback to impervious surfaces as a result
of removal of 670 square-foot brick patio on the marsh side of
the house; the reduction in'mass closest to the water as a
result of the reduction of the size of the porch; installation
of storm water drainage, which is the reason for the proposed
fill and retaining walls, to accommodate the proper vertical
separation of the drainage components of both ground water.
Upgrading the sanitary system to an IA system that is located
outside of Trustee jurisdiction; and make the entire waterside
of the property as a non-turf natural buffer.
The Board had expressed concerns about the positioning of
the westerly retaining wall right along the property line in
regard to the height. There was some conversations with the
neighbor, we had some conversations at the hearing. I
misunderstood some of what Nick was talking about. We went back
and forth. I finally got it. And we did have the plan revised
by the engineer to now have a separation distance of three feet
between the westerly property line and that retaining wall.
Which also resulted in some reduction in fill which was noted in
the revised project description.
So we are hoping that we satisfied the Board's concerns and
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requests with respect to that retaining wall. But if have you
any additional questions, we are certainly happy to address
them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. Is there anyone else here wishing
to speak regarding this application?
MR. BENIC: My name is Boris Benic and I am the next door
neighbor, and I really have no issue with these particular
plans. But I was concerned about the wall being constructed
between our properties, and now I understand that it's being
setback about three feet, which is perfectly fine with us.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Thank you, Boris.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else here that wishes to speak
regarding this application or any additional comments from the
members of the Board?
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: You'll do some planting in that three feet,
correct?
MR. HERRMANN: Correct. I think that's also noted on the revised
plan.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Hearing no one else, I make a motion to close
the hiring on the application.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to approve the application with
the new plans stamped received March 30th, 2022, thereby
bringing the project into consistency with the LWRP coordinator.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 13, En-Consultants on behalf of
GEANIE ARCIGA &THOMAS JUUL-HANSEN requests a Wetland
Permit to construct a 4' x±118' timber bluff stairway, including a 4'x7'
entry platform at top of bluff; a 4'x4'landing; (3) 4'x6'
landings with benches; a 4'x7' landing; and a 4'x6' platform off
bulkhead with 2'x5' retractable "flip-up" steps to beach; clear
and maintain a 4' x±42' wood chip path to stairway; and restore
areas disturbed during construction with native plantings.
Located: 500 Castle Hill Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-72-1-1.10
The LWRP found this proposed action consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council supports the application
with retractable stairs at the base.
The Trustees most recently visited the site on the 5th of
April, 2022. Notes read: Will review further at work session,
check the permit history.
The Trustees office is in receipt of plans stamped March
3rd, 2022.
Is there anybody here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Thanks, Eric. Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on
behalf of the applicant.
This is a property that the Board has looked at previously.
I think Nick has been out here a few times. There was
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originally a permit issued for the structures that are currently
under construction, at the 100-foot bluff setback, with clearing
up to the 50-foot bluff setback. There is a silt protection
fence out there, which we believe is set at the 50-foot top of
bluff setback. And this is a new application to construct a
bluff stairway to provide access to the beach along Long Island
Sound.
The plan was prepared by Jeffrey Butler. It's typical
specs that we provided the Board for this type of project--
three-foot amended elevation above bluff grade, maximum
four-feet in width. And consistent with the Conservation
Advisory Council's condition of approval. There is a
retractable stair shown at the base of the stairway. The
stairway ends at the existing bulkhead, then there is a platform
form with retractable quote unquote flip-up stair to the beach.
So that stair will be up and off the beach during the off season
or storm season, whatever you want to call it.
If the Board has any other questions, I'm here to answer
them.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Is there anybody else here who wishes to
speak regarding this application?
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: When we visited this site we did note there
was some clearing, and it seemed to be within that 50 feet.
MR. HERRMANN: Liz, was this on the Sound side of the silt fence?
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Yes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No. I could be mis-remembering this, but it
seemed to me like the silt fence might have been a little close
to the bluff, right? Or do you think that, like was it on the
Sound side of the silt fence or was the silt fence too close?
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: The silt fence was too close. I think you
are right about that.
MR. HERRMANN: So I did, we did discuss this with the client, and
I can only relay what I was told, is that they did have the
50-foot bluff setback marked out based on this site plan prior
to construction. But we can certainly check that. I mean, at
the end of the day there is no clearing allowed here within 50
feet. So we can definitely verify that. I mean we could have
the surveyor go out and check that fence line. It's separate
from the issue of the stairway. And if there is anything, you
know, if the fence is too close at some point, we would have to
provide some sort of restoration for-that.
But again, I had asked the question and was told there was
at least an intent to set the fence in the right place for
consistency. But again that is easy enough to verify based on
the plan.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to
this application?
(No response).
Hearing none, I move to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
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(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I move to approve the application with plans
stamped March 3rd, 2022, noting the addition of the flip-up
stairs. That's my motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. HERRMANN: Thank you.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Number 14, En-Consultants on behalf of
SHEENA ACHARYA &ADRIAN SAPOLLNIK requests a Wetland
Permit to construct an.8'x8' in-ground spa (in place of former chimney
and existing grade-level masonry patio area), with 6' high pool
enclosure fencing and 8'x6' drywell for spa discharge.
Located: 645 Glen Court, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-83-1-7
The LWRP reviewed this application and found it to be
consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council reviewed it and
resolved to not support the application. The Conservation
Advisory Council did not support the application due to the
inadequate setback of the inground spa from the pop of the bluff
of 41 feet. The Conservation Advisory Council questioned
whether the spa is actually an inground swimming pool.
The Trustees most recently did an inhouse review of this
project on April 5th, 2022, where we discussed it based on the
site plans.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Yes. Thank you, Liz. Rob Herrmann of
En-Consultants on behalf of the applicant. Ms. Acharya is also
here.
We believe this to be a straightforward application for an
8x8 spa, which is proposed nearly adjacent to the waterside of
the existing dwelling, partially in place of a
previously-existing chimney that was recently removed, and
within the footprint of the existing masonry patio on the
waterside of the house or what will be the footprint of the
28'x62' patio the Board approved recently pursuant to Wetlands
Permit 10062, 1 think last month. So therefore the spa would
not increase the impervious surface area of the property or
create any additional encroachment on the existing bluff
setbacks.
And as the Board is likely familiar by now, as I know you
have been to this site a few times this year in connection with
the prior applications, the adjacent bluff is well protected and
stabilized both by a bulkhead at its toe and a retaining wall at
its crest, which creates a level grade between the house and the
bluff.
We did recently submit a revised site plan to correct the
depiction of the proposed fencing, so that the fence plan
coincides with the fencing that was already approved by the
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recently-issued permit. And also to reflect the proposed
ten-foot non-turf buffer adjacent to the retaining wall that was
also just approved as part of the prior permit.
I should also note that the reason that the spa is before
you now and was not included in the prior application was
because it had to go for ZBA approval, which was granted last
month.
If the Board has any questions, we are happy to try to
address them.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Is there anyone else here wishing to speak
regarding this application?
(No response).
Does anybody on the Board have any questions or wish to make any
comments?
(Negative response).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Hearing none, I'll make a motion to close
this hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I make a motion to approve this application as
submitted.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH:All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. HERRMANN: Thank you, again.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Number 15, AMP Architecture on behalf of
SUSAN KARTEN requests a Wetland Permit for a proposed 512sq.ft.
(16'x32') swimming pool; a proposed 983sq.ft. (46'x32.5') deck;
install 155 linear feet of 4' high glass pool enclosure fencing
with self-closing gate; install two drywells for pool; and to
install pool enclosure fencing.
Located: 2455 New Suffolk Avenue, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-114-9-14.1
MR. PORTILLO: Good morning, Board. Anthony Portello, for the
applicant.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I'm just going to continue through everything
if it's okay. Nice to see you.
MR. PORTILLO: I'm sorry. I thought her were done. I apologize.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: No worries. The Trustees visited the site on
April 5th, and noted, questioning the height of the pool, the
depth to ground water, questioned the need for retaining wall
and a-non-turf buffer..
The LWRP finds this project consistent.
And the Conservation Advisory Council does not support this
application because the proposed location appears to be within a
flood zone. The site improvements might necessitate an attach
hole.
Then we also received a letter from, I believe a neighbor,
dated April 8th: We have no objections to Ms. Karten's plan to
install a pool on her home back deck. However, we are very
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concerned about any plans and we are unaware of any plans to
drain the pool or change the water contained. Any draining of
chemical-infused pool water onto her lawn could contaminate Lake
Maratooka, further endangering a very fragile freshwater lake
and further jeopardize the variety of wildlife it supports.
Which includes fish, turtles, swans, osprey and an occasional
national bald eagle.
If Ms. Karten can arrange for a safe way to refresh or
winterize her pool that does not involve draining it on her
property, her proposal is fine with us. And that was submitted
by Catherine Harper.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak with regard to
this application?
MR. PORTILLO: Yes. Sorry about that. Anthony Portello, AMP
Architecture. Thank you.
So I just want to state that the request for the addition
of the deck is level with the existing deck that's there. We
are not exceeding the existing staircase that is already
existing. On top of that, just to note, because of the angle of
the home, the corner of the addition does not exceed, it's
actually less than what is there existing, the wetland boundary
line that was flagged.
We are proposing a drywell that is two feet above ground
water, as you can see we provided a ground water test hole. You
can see where the ground water is located. So that is for the
backwash of the pool. The pool is elevated and currently we
are requesting a six-foot pool depth, which is 2.8 feet above
groundwater.
One other, just to note, that the pool surround will be on
the deck to the gate walls will be on the deck. So nothing is
going onto the ground.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Thank you. Then the test hole you
mentioned, where is that on the plan? If you don't mind
identifying that.
MR. PORTILLO: Sure. So it's actually taken right where the
existing deck is, like to the left of it. It's that sort of
black circle.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Oh, I do see that. Yes, kind of on the corner
of the pool. Okay.
Then I do not see any pool equipment on the plan.
MR. PORTILLO: Actually, so it's actually to the left of the
house, next to the AC units. I actually, I'm looking, I don't
see a note. It is noted on, I have this plan here, if I can
approach, I can show you.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay. Yes, please.
MR. PORTILLO: It's a blowup. It's going to be here next to the
existing AC.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: That's the larger one, okay. And do we have
this plan?
MR. PORTILLO: I don't think it was submitted. I can give you a
copy of it. This was the site plan.
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TRUSTEE PEEPLES: That seems to be a little more zoomed in than
what we have here.
MR. PORTILLO: Can I submit this now?
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I think we typically ask for sound screening
around the pool equipment.
MR. PORTILLO: Sure. Not a problem.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Is there anyone else who would like to speak in
regard to this application?
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Just a quick question about the non-turf
buffer. Did you plan to vegetate that at all?
MR. PORTILLO: No, ma'am. Putting in just sand.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: The water does come right up to that lawn
there. And is there any retaining wall needed for the pool?
MR. PORTILLO: No, I mean the grade is actually pretty flat, as
you can see from the topographical lines on the survey. So I
don't think so. Again, this is an elevated structure
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Right, okay. Just give us one moment.
MR.;PORTILLO: Can I also mention we filed with the DEC and they
are currently reviewing. And we have had the request for like a
minor change but it seems like there's none, there are not
issues with what we are proposing to them.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Understood.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Anyone else wish to speak or have any other
questions from the Board?
(Negative response).
I'll make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: I make a motion to approve this application
with the plans dated stamped April 7th, 2022, that do include
the ten[foot, non-turf buffer. And as noted there is pool
equipment on this plan, so we would like to condition with a
sound screen for the pool equipment. And that is my motion.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number 16, AMP Architecture on behalf of
EDWARD & MEREDITH RERISI requests a Wetland Permit for the
existing 1,730sq.ft. dwelling and to construct additions and
alterations (project meets Town Code definition of demolition)
consisting of a proposed 416.9sq.ft. (22'x19.3') second story
addition; a proposed 112sq.ft. (11.2'x10') second story
addition; a proposed 391.1 sq.ft. (18'x20.2') two story addition;
a proposed 117.5sq.ft. (16.1'x7.3') two story addition; and a
proposed 159sq.ft. (11.2'x14.2') two story addition for a total
of 2,370.4sq.ft. for the proposed dwelling; a proposed 50sq.ft.
(10'x5') covered porch; a proposed 80.5sq.ft. (16.1'x5') covered
porch; a proposed 512sq.ft. (16'x28.5') pool; a proposed
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228sq.ft. (8'x28.5') and 1' (600.5) coping; proposed 260 linear
feet of 4' high pool enclosure fencing; proposed 18sq.ft.
(3'x6') pool equipment with screening; a proposed 51sq.ft.
(3'x17') rear stoop; a proposed 20.7sq.ft. (3'x6.9') side stoop;
a proposed 16sq .ft. (4'x4') outdoor shower; a proposed I/A
septic system; and to install five (5) drywells.
Located: 1515 Calves Neck Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-63-7-37
The LWRP found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection April 5th, noting
that the project appeared to be straightforward, no seaward bump
outs, pool proposed on landward side of home.
Is there anyone here wishing to speak regarding this
application?
MR. PORTILLO: Again, good evening, Board, Anthony Portillo, AMP
Architecture. That is correct, we are not proposing anything
seaward. Everything is happening landward.
We also are proposing drywells that currently there are no
drywells. So it will be collecting all the rainwater. I
thought it would be good to note. And we are adding an IA system
to the home.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Thank you. Is there anyone else here
wishing to speak regarding this application?
(No response).
Any questions for comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
I make a motion to approve this application as submitted.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. PORTILLO: Have a good night, Board. Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number 17, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of
LAURIS RALL requests a Wetland Permit for the removal and
replacement of existing failing sanitary system in new landward
location of existing with new low-nitrogen I/A style sanitary system.
Located: 5400 Great Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel.
SCTM# 1000-128-2-12
The Trustees most recently visited the site on the 5th of
April, noting that the application was straightforward.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be consistent.
And the CAC resolved to support the application.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. PATANJO: Jeff Patanjo, on behalf of the applicant. Any
questions, I would be happy to answer them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Or any additional comments from the members of
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the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to approve this application as
submitted. .
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES). '
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Number 18, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of
MIKHAIL RAKHMANINE &JENNIFER V. RAKHMANINE REVOCABLE TRUST
requests a Wetland Permit to remove existing timber bulkhead and
replace with 131 linear feet of new vinyl bulkhead in same
general location and raise the height an additional 18" above
existing top cap elevation; a total of 45 cubic yards of clean
sand fill will be placed landward of the proposed bulkhead and
utilized as fill due to raised height of bulkhead; construct a
proposed 4' wide by 48' long fixed pier utilizing Thru-Flow
decking over wetlands and non-treated timber decking on
remainder which will lead to a 30" wide by 14' long aluminum
ramp.and a 6' wide by 20' long floating dock with un-treated
decking, supported with tow (2) 10" diameter CCA piles, situated
in an "I" configuration; a 35'x24' dredging area surrounding the
proposed floating dock will be dredged to a depth of 36" below
mean low water removing a total of 65 cubic yards of spoils
which will be removed from the site to an approved upland
location; and for a proposed 10' wide non-turf buffer to be installed
and perpetually maintained along the landward edge of the proposed
bulkhead and consist of beach sand, mulch or pea gravel.
Located: 685 Bungalow Lane, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-123-3-9.
The LWRP found this proposed action inconsistent with
Policy 6.3, protect and restore tidal and freshwater wetland.
The applicant did not demonstrate the following dock
standards pursuant to 275-11, construction operation standards
have been met. The parcel has a previously permitted dock, the
shallow water depth in the area promotes bottom scarring and
turbidity. Evidence of bottom scarring is shown in a 2011
aerial photograph.
Closing the basin at the end of the dock would not address
the shallow water depth when navigating seaward from the dock.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved not to support
the application. The Conservation Advisory Council doesn't
support the application to harden the shoreline and requests
coir logs and vegetated buffer and through-flow decking on the
ramp and dock.
The Trustees most recently visited the site on March 9th,
2022, and potential for natural living shoreline in lieu of
bulkhead. Questioning will trees need to be removed for
retaining wall. We discussed it in our recent work session.
Received plans stamped April 13th, 2022. I'll distribute
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it to my fellow Trustees.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. PATANJO: Jeff Patanjo, on behalf of the applicant. This
application, I think this is my third time here this month, has
been modified significantly to address the comments by the LWRP
coordinator as well as the Conservation Advisory Council.
The upper retaining wall has been removed from the project.
The existing bulkhead is to remain in place. It's currently
functional and they wish to keep it in place. The lower
bulkhead section is kind of falling apart, not in great
condition. We modified the application. This is also based on
the DEC comments, we have addressed that by removal, by
vibration methods. No disruption of existing wetlands above or
below the lower retaining bulkhead, now be a three-tiered coir
log living shoreline with plantings. And the actual, the
proposed pier there was comments in there about dredging, that
was completely removed from the application. We now have a
fixed pier, and as you see on the plans that were provided
tonight it is through-flow decking on the entire structure.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Is there anyone else here that wishes to
comment?
MS. HULSE: I would just like to clarify for the record, the
previous application for these applicants received a SEQRA
review of negative declaration, however this application is
significantly changed from that previous application and now the
SEQRA review is unlisted action.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: The only comment that I have is it's a bit
difficult to do a pier line with the existing docks, given that
the land kind of slopes out. So it kind of, it does something
very generous for your client, however I think maybe taking an
average of the two dock lengths and using that would be more
accurate in this case.
This dock would far exceed the neighboring dock to the
west; is that correct?
MR. PATANJO: Yes and no. I have had applications like this and
we discussed, I have done some of these plans and sometimes they
are on the outbound side. Now I'm sticking it out further but
if you take the shoreline and extend the shoreline, the pier
line is actually here. If you look at plans, as I indicated on
there, there is an abundance of room, six-hundred foot to the
opposite shoreline. Nobody is, you know, pier lines are
obviously, for multiple reasons, and one of the reasons is for
flow of traffic for boats coming and going. There'll never be a
boat encroaching within this area, even where we are right now.
Because the channel is further, 200 feet away from here, the
mean travel channel.
So, you know, the water depths are of consideration for
anybody docking a boat. You are approving a boat,.if I'm
holding this back at all, now I'm going into a foot of water,
even less than a foot of water, which is unreasonable for having
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a dock, if they intend to dock a smaller boat. Obviously we
have, and I didn't print myself a plan, so I don't know what the
water depth is. There is, I think, say 24 inches of water out
at the far terminus of the dock, which is sufficient for a
typical 22', 24' foot boat.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: To address Trustee Gillooly's concerns,
we looked at it in the office today. The dock to the west, I
guess, does not have a permit. We measured it on the Google
Earth, approximately 75. The dock to the east, I believe was 92
feet. And as you mentioned, it does shoal in considerably
there. We had discussed potentially dialing it back. I think you
are going from 1.7 to 0.9.
So the LWRP made concerns about turbidity and scarring, and
I think if we did dial it back, we would be just adding to that.
So; you know, it is within the pier line, it is consistent with
the length of neighboring docks. And I don't believe that we
can really dial it back any more without adding to more damage.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: I think we are all boaters and we all
appreciate that.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: And just one clarification. I know you removed
the retaining wall, the landward retaining wall. Does that mean
that the tree --
MR. PATANJO: The tree won't be affected at all. No work on
adding the ten-foot wide non-turf buffer along the existing
bulkhead.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Okay, so the tree will remain.
MR. PATANJO: Yes.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Fantastic. Thank you.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Is there anyone else out there who wishes to
comment on.this application?
(No response).
And these are the scaled plans delivered April 13th, 2022?
MR. PATANJO: Yes. I e-mailed them and dropped them off today.
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: Thank you. All right, hearing no further
comment, I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE GILLOOLY: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE SEPENOSKI: I make a motion to approve this application
noting that the revised plan and written description address the
LWRP's concerns regarding bottom scarring because they now
include a fixed pier dock and no floating docks in the last
application. And they also address the Conservation Advisory
Council's concerns with coir logs and the efforts to maintain a
living shoreline in this proposed location, thereby bringing
into consistency with the LWRP, and satisfying the Conservation
Advisory Council's concerns. That is my motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All n favor?
(ALL AYES).
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I make a motion for adjournment.
TRUSTEE PEEPLES: Second.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
Xe!;full submitted by,
Glenn Goldsmith, President
Board of Trustees