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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
JULY 28, :1987
WORK SESSION~
Pr?~sent: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy, Justice Raymond W. Edwards, Councilman
Paul Stoutenburgh, CoUncilman J ames A, Schond ebare ( 10:'20 A.M.), Counq lwoman
Jean W. Cochiran, Councilman George L. Penny ~V, Town Clerk Judith T. Terry,
Special Counsel Francis J. Yakaboski. '
. 9:00 A.M. - The Board. met with Farmland Committee members Andre Cybulski, ~Chair-
man, Robert Villa', and William Gri'~0nis'to discuss their'O.p~n- Space Program proposal
calling for a $1;,'0'00,'000 bond issue and a proposition on the ballot at the General
Election,. November 5th. Attorney Yakaboski'iS Working on the proposed bond and
format for the ballot proposition.
9:30' A.M. - Planner Valerie Scopaz met with the Board to advise them she will'be
working with the Code Committee to draw up revised site plan fees. Attorney Yakaboski
suggested the-Code Committee consider inspection fees for minor subdivisions. This
will also be addressed.
9:45 A.M. - Planner David;Emilita met with the Board to review his.rough draft of the
Generic'Environmental Impact Statement with respect to the proposed Local Law to
amend the Southold Town Zoning Ordinance. Councilman Penny advised he had not
had time:to review the draft since he was out of town last week, but .in his'brief review
he finds that the draft is not thorOugh enough as to Wl~at is 'the 'number of acreage
0r. parcels being changed from one zone to another, and he Would like more time to
review the }traft and asked to meet with Mr. Emilita at the next Town Board Work
Session on August 11th to go into more detail. Councilman Stoutenburqh state he
felt there should be a more detailed explanation with respect to the ma~-ine zones.
Mr. Emiliia will address Councilman Penny's and Stoutenburgh's requests before the
work session, as well as any from~ other Board members.
9:55 A.M. - Town Trustee President Henry P. Smith met with the Board to review a
proposed "swap" of property between Wortis/Cook/Emerson, the Southold Park District
and the Town T__rustees at the foot of South Harbor Road, adjacent to Richmond Creek,
Southold. The ~esult of the "swap" would give Wortis/Cook/Emerson a small parcel .of
Trustee property adjacent to their property to afford them privacy, and they would
deed the.Park-Dist~ric,~' "Mort Island" adjacent to the Park District property. This
proposal has been under discussion for several years and Trustee Smith advised the
Board the matter will'be concluded shortly if 'the .Town Board is agreeable.' The entire
~oard felt the proposal would., benefit all concerned and would~have,no,obj~clion';~ ....... -
10:10 A.M. - Wate~;.Advis0r~/~C0mmittee members Frank Bear, Chairman and Valerie
Scopaz met with the Board to show them the "Test Your Water" posters which were
designed as a public service by Burke Liburt'of Ellary & Burke. The asked the
Board's pe~'mission to have' 200 posted printed at a cost of'approximately $'t50.'00.
Permission was granted'. Mr. Bear informed the Board that there will'be a public
informational meeting conducted by the Committee'on August 19th, to which-County
Legislature Presiding Officer Blass and County Executive LoGrande will be invited.
10:15 A.M. - For Discussion Items: (1) ~_etter of request from the East End Arts and
Humanities Council for an increase in:the Town's support of the Greenport summer
concert to $750.00. The Board has budgeted $550.'00 for 1987 and is unwilling to
increase this 'allocation. (2) Receipt of proposals for professional cleaning services
of Town Hall. Board will'engage Harold Lockwood for the months of August through
October before entering into a long term contract (see resolution no. 23). (3) Discussion
relative to the use of compression guns to.frighten the bi~ds by farmers. (4) Discussed
appointment to fill'the vacancy on the Board of Ethics~ Names of John B. Tuthill and
Frank Kujawski, Jr. were discussed. A majority. Of the Board could~.not agree on one
individual. Councilman' Stoutenburgh requested a resolution (no. 24) be placed on the~
agenda for the appointment of Frank Kujawski, Jr. (5) Letter from Garrett A. Strang,
Architect, relative to drainage design c~riteria.' This matter should be resolved by the
Planning Board. (6) Discussed entering a "~Town" float in the September 12th parade
celebrating the Bicentennial of the U. S. Constitution. Councilwoman Cochran will chair
this project. (7) Receipt of a resume from M. Lynne Richards for a position' of Director
of Special'Services/Handicapped Coordinator. T. he Board sees this position, if created;~
under the guidance of the-Recreation Department, and a meeting will be arranged with
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Recreation Superintendent Reeves to discuss this further. (8) Notification from the
Town Clerk that no bids were received for cutting up/or removing abandoned vehicles
from Town propertie~. Councilman Stoutenburgh suggested setting up an area at the
Landfill and leasing it to a contractor. He has spoken to Bob Pfluger of B.P. Wreckers
and he would be agreeable. Mr. Pfluger will be asked to meet with the Board to discuss
this further. ~(9) Request from Johr~ Wickham to'include his farm in Cutchogue in the
Town's .Special Deer Season. The Board would have no objection. Mr. Wickham will
have to obtain permiSsiOn and make the arrangements with the NYS-DEC.
10:55 :A.M. - Board began reviewing regular meeting resolutions.
11:00 A.M. - Robert Brow0, Architect, met with the Board to revieW his preliminary
plans for the ':Justice Court and Walkway addition to the Town Hall. Mr. Brown .was
asked ~o bring in a p~oposai ~o~ oversee, ng the project from start to finish so a
resolution could be placed on the regular meeting agenda (see resolution no. 27).
11:45 A.M.-- ,Special Counsel Yakaboski again met with the Board and this 'time there
was a dicussion relative to the compression guns used by farmers to frighten the birds.
Mr. Yakaboski Stated this is a very difficult area to enforce without a detaile'dI noice
ordinance. He suggested setting up a meeting with a mediation group and inviting both
sides to participate and perhaps this'would resolve the problem.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
12 Noon - The Board discussed possible litigation with Special' Couhsel Yakaboski.
12:20 P.M.- Recess for lunch.
1:30 P.M. - Work Session reconvened and the Board audited outstanding vouchers.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
2:'00 P.M. - Board discussed personnel matters with Chief Winters.'
Cochran left the room .during this Executive Session.)
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2:20 P~M. - While' still'in'Executive Session the Board intervieWed Mark Newton,
p:rf~specl~ive Assi~stantc~l'own Attorney applicant.
2:30 P.M. - Board concluded revieWing resolutions for the regular meeting agenda.
3:15 P.M. - CoUncilman Penny led a discussion with department heads relative to
proposed computerization of the Town Hall.
4: 25. P.M. - Wc~rk Session adjourned.
REGULAR MEETING
7:30 P.M..
A Regular Meetinc. I of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday; Ju~l¥ 28,' 1987,
at the Southold Town Hall, Mai~So--'~-~-old,~w York. Supervisor Murphy open~
the meeting at 7:30 P.M. with the Pledge o'f Allegiance to the Flag .... Iii~
Present: Supervisor F~:ancis J. Murphy
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
.Counciln~an James A. Schondebare
CouncilWoman Jean W. Cochran ~
Councilman George L. Penny IV -
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Town Clerk Judith T. T~erry
_ SPEClAE'~GUEST:
County ExecutiveMic~haei A-~ LoGrande
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: ~e fiFs~t o:r~cler of business is a resolution to approve the audit
of the bills from July 28th, :1987'.
Moved by Councilwoman .Cochran, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it Was
RESOLVED that the following audited bills be and hereby are ordered paid: General
Fund Whole Town bills in'theamount of $24,146.56; General Fund Part Town bills in
the amount of $8,990.'49; Highway Department bills in'the amount of $17, 644. 00;and
$45,572.68; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in'the amount of $4,588.,16; Nutrition
Program bills in the amount of $78. 14; .Fishers Island Sewer Dis1~ric[ bills in the amount
of $329.47; Southold Wastewater Disposal Dis[ric~ bills in the amount of $13,.4~0. 02.
Vote of the Tow nBoard: AyeS: Councilman Penny, CoUncilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justi'ce Edwards, SuperviSor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Next is a resolution approving the minutes of the July 14th
Town Board meeting.
Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the July 14, 1987 Southold Town Board Meetin~l be
and hereby are approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, CouncilWoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared 'duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And next is to set the next Town Board meeting dates. The
first one is AugUst 5th, 1987, 1:00 P.M. on Fishers Island. The second is August
11th, .1987:, 7:30 P.M. at the Southold Town Hall. I Offer that resolution.
Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meetings of the Southold Town Board will be held
on ?_ugust 5,';1987', 1:00 P.M., Fishers Island School, Fishers Island, New York,
and August 11, .t987, 7:30 P.M., Southold Town-Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Vote. of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, CouncilWoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared 'duly ADOPTED.
I. REPORTS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, moving on to the first item on the agenda isReports,
These I would like to remind everybody are on file in the Town Clerk's Office for
anyone who would like to ~ead them.
1. Board of Appeals monthly report for June, :1987..
2.. (a)Supervis0r's monthly budget report for June, :1987.
2.(b)Supervis0r's monthly budget report for March, 1987:;
3. Employee's leave time report for June, :1987.
4. Audit report by E. F. Kaldor, C.P.A. for fiscal year 1986.
5. At this 'time I would like to ask the Councilmen if 'they have anything special,
starting on my left with Judge Edwards.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Thank you, Frank. 'The only thing I might add is it's been
an extremely busy summer on Fishers Island. We've never seen such vehicular traffic
on the boat, and thank God we have a new boat, and now they're even talking about
a third boat. It's been an unreal Summer over there as far as the Ferry District
is concerned. Secondly, four of us went out to Wisconsin Monday to look at a new
garbage cor~cept and I'll lelJ some of the other Board members fill'you in on that. Thank
you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thanks"; R~ay. Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Yes, ! Would just like to update on several it,s. As
far as Buildin~ls and'Grounds is concerned you will note that on the agenda this evening
we do have a resolution where we're acting on a p.~oposal from the architect. If every-
thing goes according to plan with his timeframe and the timeframe of the modular
construction and so forth I see this project..completed--!'m going to say late fall.
As many of you are aware,- we as a Town Board are fully aware that we are bursting
at the seams here and there is a great need for additional room within'Town Hail.
So this 'is something that we're going in a positive direction to solve this problem
that we do have. On September 12th Southold will'be joining the Nation in'ce~ebratinq
the Bicentennial of the Constitution. The committee is 'planning a parade on the 12th
at 3:00 P.M. and the Town Board is going to get involved. We're going to sponsor
a .~loat in the parade and we're asking for volunteers to serve on this :committee from
our elected, our appointed, and also' our employed personnel, and I have great hopes
that members of this Town Board will'volunteer to help build the float.. ! think it
could be a lot of fun. Also I'm working on Wa~le and Policy. I'm working on a si:heduli~
of wages for'part-time yeart-laround employees, seasonal employees, and work-study
program personnel. We do have a Town Board policy that covers only Part of this
and i think per.haps, a'ibe~ter way might be to go is a schedule of wages.which ~ will
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be presentir~g to ~he Town Board for the next meeting for their discussion. ~lso
this evening at 5:00 O'clock Paul and I attended the meeting of the Town Green. We
started out here in one of the rooms and ended up down on the corner of Youngs.
As many of you as you ride past you see that the Kiwanis is constructing the gazebo,
it's the beginning of the development of the Green. One thing we~were asked of the
Town Board--Paul made note--we're going to be very soon be doing a solicitation
for the general public :and the sign that's been put up., and '~the thermometer, as far
as how many funds we've raised to date, it's erected on the corner, but the return
address for donations is 'the Peconic'Land Trust° 'but it's the Southampton address,
and Paul noted this ~and the committee felt that it might be better if it was still'the
Peconic Land Trust, Frank, but that. themailing address for contributions--if it'S.
agreeable w~it[h the Town Board, to be Town Hall.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Sure.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: They. just felt that it'S a part of the ownership~of the
Town and we didn't want.to discourage anyone with a Southampton address on there.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I think it would be a good idea.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: So with Town Board approval when they come here
then they would be col. lected and turned over to John Halsey.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any member of the Town Board have any objection? (None.)
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: You wouldn't have to even open the envelope. Just
set them aside.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: All right. Jud~ge Edwards has mentioned that we traveled
to Wis~onsin'¥esterday. It 'was kinds of shades of Texas when we traveled to Tyler,
Texas last y.ear. It was a 'long day. - You start at 5:00 in'the morning and get home
at 8:00 at night. Jay is'chai'rman of the Landfill Committee so I will leave this for
him for reporting, but I Would iust like to say that I was impressed inwhat I saw
as far as the handling of solid'waste. It did'come out to be a fairly decent ~0mposting
product. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thanks, Jean., Paul?
COUNCl LMAN STOUTENBURGH: Thank.you, Frank. Last Thursday I attended a
Farmland Committee meeting which the members met before this 'Board this molrning
and told more in detail Of their proposed bond issue which they hope to float ~this
fall and the referendum to the public.'to spend some money for open space. What
they're finding out is that many times they'll be taking a farm in their Farmland Program
and along with the farm would be a piece Of woodland or marshland, and by cutting
this off they Would just entice development of that piece of land, so they'd like to
be able to purchase that, but their charter doesn't allow them to do this~ So'they're
hoping to have some moneys set aside through this~referendum so that we can purchase =_-
these things in a lawful manner. So hopefully that will'come through and be on the
ballot this November. Also on .July 21st I attended the Water Advisory Committee
and they were very. happy to see the Town Board had appropriated $10,000 for the
watermachi~e which, will' be in the Senior CitiZe'n building and everyone is very glad
to hear that that has been done. They are also. in'the process of working on',a poster
program. This poster program will'tell Have You Had Your Water Tested?" and if
not would you like information about any problems with~water and give a telephone
number so that the", people in the Town will haVe a telephone number that they can
call up and get some ready answers. They're also thinking of running a series of
questionnaires on the radio about water, iust a short,'imaybe one or two mini~te thing.
"Do you know what pollutes youn water?" "Do you know ~ow to have your water
tes'ted?" These ~kind of things. So that-people will start to become-aware of water
problems on the Island here. We also have some questions for our County E~(ec when
· h~cOmes which~we'll'hoid off for. Also I attended the Village Green meeting here,
as Jean has said, and it was really quite rewarding to see ten or fifteen men from
a Kiwanis'.all pitching in.~ Some of them cutting brick, others laying brick, others
measuring, oth~ers filling, and some iust helping along in whatever way they ~could.
It was really a true spirit~of cooperation, and I hope the community gets behind this
drive and supports it finandal'ly, because we have about $53,000 already pledged,
and we need'about $100,000 to do the job we want, and ifwedon't well.we just cut
off some of the things we'd hoped to do, butwe wanted~to get all the rough Wo.rk
like the gazebo and the .w~ater lines and the~electric lines ~that disturb the land, get
that in'firSt'~and then we can go ahead an'd start putting in grass and what hLave you..
~ a~0~ttended a meeting on Tuesda~ that the DEC was out here with the Plannin~
Board and the Trustees and they are now again going over checking out ail our fresh-
water wetlands.' 'They'~e starting at Orient and they spent two days out there so
far visiting every one.of the freshwater areas in'the Town. To be a freshwater area
on the State map you have to have approxi.mately lU~ acres. Well that was Set up for
the entire State, and as you k'now the State has many vast wet areas, but Long Island
has very few, and so. there is' a clause in the law that allows towns to nominate small
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areasltt~at they would ~ sent that list in and
now t~.ey're going over it verify them there be public'hearings and
rest ~ f the thing, so that's in 'the works and hopefully that will be done. That's
it,' frmk.
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CILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yes, thank you, Frank. We did indeed go to Wisconsin
-day.. What is most amazing is 'that you can leave Southold Town at 5:30 in'the
~g and you got to Chicago, you go to Madison, Wisconsin, and you get back
thold by 9:30 last~ night, and that's what we did; We went to Wisconsin mainly
se the City of Portage is up there and it 'being the only city that we are aware,
ipality, that,s actually com~osting household garbage. You take actually house-
arbage ~in'the plastic'bags--we saw it--and they put it ~nto a digester operation
hat Y~u get ou{at the other end of it after about ei htcj~__~s in the cy]ir~der
~)~'~p(~st m~t-~rr~il which they a-r-e--using 'dp-~here on tt~ir ~rsery stock. They"
:)t ~sing the'c°mpost:mate~ia! on their'food chain; and evidentially theyWon't
any permit$, ~tcetera, to do that for at least another year Or two afte~ the test
aterial' to make sUre that nothing is 'going to happen0nce it' gets on the food
; but they are using it 'and it's not an incineration, it'~ clean. It seems to be
.nt. They do not' do any pre-sorting ahead of tim~. We saw.what we would
bly see down here at the Southold Landfill; The garbage .comes in in the plastic
just like we do, everyt:hing's in'it~ they don't pre-sort, they put it right into
gester, it 'goes around! an~ they add s~wage sludge int° ilt 'anc~ a compost comes
~e other e~d. It'Was quite a site and it actually does .Work evidentially; They've
~ that it can work. Whether or not it can work in the Town of Southold remains
seen,, but at ]eastknow that there's someplace actually, doing it.-. It's also amazing
,ou travel-~that I actually;tr:aveled to Madis0n:~ Wisc°n~in~o walk around somebody
garbage. I found' tha~ absolutely unbelievable~; Bu~;i~ ~as a good trip'and
"ned a great deal, ~13e Code Corem tree is not going to meet the first Wednesday
ust, we'll be on Fish~rs Island on that date.'.' ~) w~'ve moved the Code Committee--
~se of you who attends-to the following ~ednesday, ~hich is on the 12th of
~t, at which .time We'll again discuss TDR's which came up the last time..They'll
nk on again'under old )ousin~ss. Thank you, Frank.
~,VISOR MURPHY.' Thanks, Jay. George?
ClLMAN PENNY: While all the Councilmen were running around attending to
Town affairs i had a nice leisurely week in the north woods of,.Maine with eighteen
couts, ancLthat's really all I have to report. It was quite an experience. Thank
{VISOR MURPHY:
CI LMAN PENNY:
~Junteers~-'-
I'm sure it wasn't easy.
Troop 51, by the way. Troop 51' in'Greenport. We're looking
~,VlSOR MURPHY: All i'd like to do is ad~l is 'what everybody was -saying, the
isSUe is so important, it's too bad that the Land Transfer Tax did'not go through.
k Mike LoGrande will discuss part of tha1~ tonight. He was very instrumental
ingto get. it passed. He's one, I think, of the few people around that really.
_~d the serious problems that the towns are facing with open space, to prevent
Jevelopment, to protect our watershed. We're very sensitive out here. And
ndfill'problems, and I think we'll discuss them. But they are very, very serious
~ms and I'm very glad that we're moving along. I think we're much further
than many; many towns in New York. State.-
IBLIC.NOTICES.
{VISOR MURPHY: These public notices are all posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin
for anyone who would Ilke to read them.
· New York State Department of Transportation, Traffic and Safety, Division,
~ of Order establishing a "No Standing - Any Time" restriction on the north .
f Route 25 (300 feet west of Peconic Lane) to 20+ feet east of the driveway of
,to dealer [Wells PontiaCrCadillac), 170 feet east of Peconic Lane.
!. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Notice of Complete
:ati0rLof Harold Wilsber~ to construct~.50 lt. of retaining wall and 50 ft. of bulk-
~g with a ~5 ft. return on the west side and connecting.to the existing bulkhead
east. and dredge a 35 ft. by 100 ft. area to 4 fl~" below mean Iow water and _
the resultant 325 cubic yards of material landward of the.bulkhead as backfill,
south side of Ole Jule Lane fronting James Creek, Mattituck, Comments by
t 21, 1987.
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III. COMMUNICATIONS~ (None)
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS'. (None)
V. RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We will'now start the Resolutions that are scheduled. At
this'time I would like to remind everybody'the policy of the Town Board that you
may address the Town Board at this 'time on any proposed resolution to discuss, to
make any comments you want to say on it,: and then we will have the resolutions.
After that there will'be a period of time when you may address the Town Board on
anything that bothers you, is'of any' concern to you, any questions you have, and
we'll be here as long as you want to answer these concerns. We have Michael'LoGrande
coming tonight, so this is '~hy I~'d like t~ rpo,,,;e ~!~g on these so that ~e ca~ give
him time and give the people in=the audience a time to question either him'or us on
what.'s going on in-this =area. So is 'there' anyone here who would like to addre~ss the
Town Board? On the left?-On any proposed reSOlutions? Over in the middle.- On
the right? (No response.) Okay, if'n~t I ~ould like to offer the first one to Set
a public 'hearing on August .'25t. h' on a'proposed "Loical Law in relation to the' RegUlation
and Control of Alarm Systems;". I 0~fer tidal re~olution.
1.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by ~Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the TOwn "Board of the Town of Southold a
proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in"relation to the Regulation and Control
of Alarm Systems_", now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby sets 8:00 P.M., Tuesday, August 25, 1987,
Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York,, as time and place for a public
hearing on the aforesaid proposed local LaW Which i-eads as follows, to wit:
· LOCAL LAW :NO. ~ :1987
A Local Law in' relation to theRe~tulation
and Control of Alarm Sys;terds
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board~ of the town o~f~Southold, as follows:
!. That Ch'aptera:'24' be added to,the Code of the town Of Southold, as follows:
Chapter 2~t
Alarm Systems
Section 1. Purpose.
The purpose of this local law is 'to establish standards and controls Of the
various types of fire, intrusion, holdup and other emergency signals from fire
and police alarm services that require fire department or police responses,
investigation or safeguarding of property at' the location of an event reported
by a signal which is transmitted by telephone or radio to the Police or Fire
Department from a central station as hereinafter defined.
Section 2. Definitions.
For the purpose of this local law, Lhe following definitions shall apply:
TOWN 'OF SOUTHOLD All of the Town of Southold, excluding Fishers
Island.
ALARM AGENT Any person who is' employed by any business, firm,
corporation or other commercial· entity that is'licensed hereunder to conduct
the business of owning, operating, maintaining, installing, leasing or selling
fire or police alarm devices .whose duties inblude any of the following: selling,
maintaining, leasing, servicing, repairing, altering, replacing, moving or
installing, in or on any building, place or premises, any fire or polic_e alarm
device as defined in this'local law.within the Town of Southold.
ALARM INS~TALLATION' - Any fire or police alarm device or aggregation of
fire or police alarm devices installed on or within'a single building on or
within more than one (1) building or area adjacently located on a common site
at a specific location.
BUSINESS LICENSEE Any business, firm, corporation or other commercial
entity which is in' the business of owning, operating, maintaining, installing,
leasing or selling a fire or police alarm device or devices or system of fire or
police alarm devices which-business, firm or corporation or-other commercial
entity is an owner, operator, provider of maintenanCe, service, install_eF,
lessor or-seller of ~aid device, or system of devices subject to the license
requirements of this local law.
CENTRAL. ALARM STATION - Any facility operated by a private firm that
owns or leases a system of fire or police alarm devices which facility is
manned, by operators who receive, record or validate alarm signals and relay
info~mation about such validated signals to the Police or Fire Department when
_appropriate.
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DIAL ALARM - Any ~r~ or ~l~e-'~i[~r~rn'd~evi'ce which is a telephone device or
telephone attachment that automatically or e~lectronically selects a telephone
line connected~ to a central alarm station or police headquarters and
reproduces a pre-recorded message to report a criminal act or other
emergency requiring Police or Fire Department.
DIRECT ALARM - Any fire or police alarm device connected directly by leased
telephone wires from the specified location to police headquarters or the fire
department.
EMERGENCY ALARM - Any fire or_police alarm device designed to be actuated
by a fire criminal act or other emergency at a specific'location or by a victim
of a hold-up robbery or other emergency or criminal act at a specified
!oc~tier~ ............. .
FALSE EMERGENCY A-LARM - Any signal actuated by an emergency alarm to
which the police or 'fire dpeartment responds which is not the result of a
fire, robbery or other crime or emergency-.
FIRE DEPARTMENTS - Buildings owned by the Fire Districts of Mattituck,
Cutchogue, Southold, East Marion, Orient.
FIRE OR POLICE ALARM DEVICE -'-Any device which, when actuated by a fire,
criminal act or other emergency requiring Police or Fire Department response,
transmits a pre-recorded message or other signal by a telephone, radio:or other
means to a central alarm station or directly to the Police or Fire Departments
produces an audible or visible signal designed to notify persons within audible
or visible alarm range of the signal, except for residential smoke detectors/alarms.
INTRUSION - Any entry into an area or building equipped with one (1) or more
police and fire alarm devices by any person or object whose entry actuates a
police alarm device.
LICENSING AUTHORITY - The Town of $outhold or its designated agent.
POLICE HEADQUARTERS Police headquarters and other enclosures housing
privately or publicly owned equipment serving the police.
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Section 3.
License Required: Authority to Grant Licenses and Permit~: Time
Limit for Compliance.
A. It'shall be unlawful for any person, business, firm, corporation or other
commercial entity to operate, maintain; install, lease or sell"a fire or police alarm
device or dev_~ices or system of fire or police alarm devices, as defined by the
terms of this 16cai law without first obtaining a license as hereunder provided.
B. Authority to Grant Licenses and Permit~.
(I') The licensing authority is: hereby authorizett to grant a revocable
license to any business, firm, corporation or other 'commercial entity,
authorizing said' business, firm, corporation or other commercial entity
to do business in the Town of Southold by performing any or all of
_the following functions: own, operate, maintain, install, lease or sell a
fire or police alarm device or devices or system of fire or police alarm
devices.
The' licensing auth~'rity is hereby authorized to grant a revocable
license to any alarm agent.
The licen'sing authority is hereby authorized to grant a revocable
permit to any owner of property located within' the Town of Southold
or the lessee~thereof to operate, maintain;-install and modify a fire or
poli~:e alarm device.
Applications for licenses and l~ermits.
C. Applications for licenses and permits shall be made as follows:
(1) All businesses, firms, corporations or other commercial entities which
are in the business of owning, operating, maintaining, installing,
leasing or selling a fire'~or police alarm device or devices or system of
fire or police alarm device or devices, who desire to conduct-business
in the Towo of Southold shall apply to the licensing authority for a
business license, on a form to be supplied by the licensing authority.
The application shall contain specifiC'provisions relating tO the quality,
efficiency~ and~ effectiveness of the device or system of devices owned
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or to be operated, maintained, installed, leased or sold by the
business licensee, testing procedures -involved and any other
information the licensing authority shall determine to be law.
(2) Such business license shall be issued for a one-year period, on a
calendar year basis or a part thereof, and no license shall extend
beyond December 31 of each year. Notwithstanding this provision, a
person having a -business license may conduct such business through
January 31 of the year following the expiration of his business license.
Any person who is to be an alarm agent in the Town of Southold
before acting as such alarm agent shall apply for and receive a
revocable alarm agent license. The application shall be made~ to the
licensing authority on a form to be .supplied~ by the licensing
authority. The application shall contain specific provisions relating to
the fire or police alarm -device or devices, holdup alarms, dial' alarms
or alarm installations which are to be sold, leased, installed, operated
or maintained by the alarm agent, the skill and competency of the
applicant as an alarm agent and such other information the licensing
authority determines to be reasonably necessary to effectuate the
purpose of this 'local law. Such calendar year basis'or a part thereof,
and no license shall extend beyond 'December 31 of each year. The
applicant, upon submission of this application, shall be fingerprinted
and photographed by the Town of Southold Police Department.
Notwithstanding this provision, a person -' having an alarm agent
license may act as such alarm agent through January 31 of the year
following the expiration of his license.
(4) Any property owner or lessee of property in the Town of Southold
having on his or its premises a fire or police alarm device or system
of fire or police alarm devices shall apply to the licensing authority
for a permit to own or otherwise have such device on his or its
premises. The application shall contain provisions relating to the
device or system of devices installed or to be installed on the
premises. Application for permits for fire or police alarm devices
existing in' premises on the effective date of this'local law must be
made to the licensing authority byDecember 31, 1987. No such device
may be installed on the premises of the owner or lessee and .no
~ presently existing fire or police-alarm device complying with the
provisions of this~ local law shall be modified after the effective date
of this local' law prior to the licensing authority's having issued a
permit 'to such owner or lessee. Such permit need not be obtained on
an annual basisi but shall be obtained each time a device or system is'
to be installed or modified.
Section 4. License Fees.
License fees shall be as follows:
A. Business License: One Hundred Dollars ($100.00) per calendar
year or part thereof.
B. Alarm Agent: Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00) per calendar year or
- part thereof.
~ C. Owner or Lessee Permit." No Charge.
Section 5. User Fees.
The:re shall be payable to [he Town of Southold a fee of two dollars
($2.00) per month for a fire or police alarm device or devices installed on
the premises of any owner or lessee. Such.. user fee shall be payable in'the
first instance by_ the business licensee who.' services the fire or police
ala~*m device or devices of the owner or lessee, but, upon the failure of
the business licensee to make such payments when they become due, the
owner or lessee of the pre-raises shall thereupon become liable for_"any
unpaid: user fees. Such user fees shall be paid'to the Town-Clerk monthly
in advance of the first day of each month. Upon failure to make any such
payment, the To...w.n shall have th, e right to proceed by civil :ai~tion to
collect such user fees. Failure 'to make an'~ such payment after written
notice thereof has been given to the owner or lessee shall subject such
owner or. lessee to the penalty provision of such law.
Section 6. Suspension or RevocatiOn of Licenses.
A license issued under this law may be suspended or revoked by the
licensing authority after notice and hearing by the licensing authority for
the violation of any of the provisions of this local law or any regulations
or regulations promulgated by-the licensing authority pursuant to this local
'--I~ and any license or identification card issued hereunder shall be
surrendered immediately to the licensing authority upon such suspension or
revocation. No part of a license fee shall be refunded when a license is
suspended or revoked. Any applicant whose application for a license or
permit has been denied or any business license, alarm agent, owner or
lessee whose license has been suspended or revoked by the licensing
authority may appeal such denial, suspension or .revocation in writina to
the' Town Board at a time and place to be determined by the Town B~ard
in support of his or its contention that the license should not have been
denied, suspended or revoked.
Section 7. Records.
Every business, firm, corporation or other commercial entity
conducting the-business of owning, operating, installing, leasing or selling
fire or police alarm devices within the Town of Southold shall maintain
complete and accurate records of all installations of alarm systems in the
Town of $outhold and shall provide such records on a monthly basis for
the licensing authority.
Section 8. General Provisions.
RestriclLions: No fire or police alarm device shall be connected directly
to the Town of Southold police headquarters or any Fire Department
without the express written consent of the Chief of Police or Board of
Fi re Commissioners, respectively.
Direct Alarm System: Any private firm engaged in: the business of
burglar alarms or fire alarms and licensed by the Town of Southold
will operate a facility which is' manned by a trained operator who
receives,, records and validates alarm signals and-relays information
about such validated signals to the Southold Town Police Department
or Fire Departments on a special telephone number set aside for the
express purpose of receiving such information. All central station
alarm facilities shall have the capability to electronically supervise all
alarm systems so that a trouble signal is 'indicated should there be a
.fau~lt with~ any alarm system. The operator of any central alarm
company which calls police headquarters or the Fire Department to
re~ort an active alarm will identify himself or herself by name and the
name of the company and will provide accurate directions to the
protected premises at which the alarm is soundin~The central alarm
company shall further provide the name ot ti~e caretaker w~no is
responsible for resetting an activated alarm if~the property owner or
lessee of the property is away. In the event that the caretaker is
unavailable, the alarm company shall ~e responsible for resetting an
activated alarm.
Audible Alarm Device: Any property owner or lessee of property in
the Town of .Southold shall, prior to the installation of an audible
signal designed to notify per§ons within the audible range of the
signal, obtain a permit for same. Any such alarm device which
operates on house current must be equipped with a stand-b~ battery
power supply sufficient for at least twenty-four-I24) hours. Any such
alarm device will' incorporate a device whereby the system will
automatically shut-off and/or reset the audible alarm after the alarm
has sounded for a maximum period of thirty (30) minutes. All
property' owners or lessees having such alarm devices on their
premises shall further be rectuired to provide the Police Department
and Fire Department with the name of a person who can respond to
the premises within 'a reasonable time. Said person shall have the
capability of securing or, 'in the case of .fire, opening up said
premises for inspection by the Fire Department. Every such audible
alarm device must be equipped with .a switch to silence the audil~le
alarm.
Intentional False Alarm: It shall be a violatio~ of this local law to
intentionally cause a f~lse hold-up alarm, and any person who does
intentionally .cause-a false hold-up alarm shall be subject to the
'penalty provisions hereof.
E. Charges for False Emergency Alarms:
Any owner or lessee of property having a fire or police alarm
device or system of fire or police alarm devices on his or its
premises on the effective date of this Ii, cai law, and any user of
services or equipment furnished by a licensee under this local
law shall pay to the Town of Sou~hold a charge for each and
every false emergency alarm to which the Police or Fire
Departments respond, in each calendar year as l~ollows:
la) First and second false emergency alarm each calendar
year: No Charge.
lb) Third and all subsec]uent false emerq, ency alarms each
calendar year: One Hundred ($100.00) Dollars.
The above charges shall be paid to the Town. Clerk of the Town
of Southold. Failure to pay any such charges shall subject such
owner, lessee or user to the penalty provisions of this local law.
Rules, Regulations and Enforcement: The licensing authority shall
promulgate rules, regulations and standards-which shall be approved
by the Town Board that may be necessary for the purpose of
assuring the quality, efficiency and effectiveness of fire or police
alarm devices and alarm installations owned, operated, maintained,
installed, leased or sold by a licensee under this local law, and to
facilitate the administration of this local law. The licensing authority
shall administer and enforce the provisions of this local la~,. The
aforesaid rules, regulations and standards shall' be set forth in
writing and copies shall be available for applicants.
Section' 9.
A.
Special Provisions.
CENTRAL ALARM S~ATIONS SYSTEMS: The licensing authority is'
hereby authorized to prescribe the locations and the manner of
installation of regular business telephone lines into police
headquarters from a central alarm station for the express purpose of
providing direct telephone COmmunication between the central alarm
station and police headquarters for use in reporting alarms.
Bo
EXCEPTIONS: None of the provisions of this 'local law shall apply to a
fire or police alarm device or devices installed in a motor vehicle or
trailer.
SEVERABILITY: If'any part or parts -of this local law are for any.
reason held to be invalid, such decision shall not affect the validity
of the remaining portions of this local law. The Town Board hereby
declares that it would have passed the local law enacting this local
law and each section, subsection, sentence, clause and phrase
thereof, irrespective of the fact that any one (1) or more sections,
subsections, sentences, Clauses or phrases might be declared invalid-
Section 10. Penalties for Offenses[ Any person, firm or corporation who does not
. __ pay any charge or fee established in' this local law or who violates
any provision of this local law 'shall be subject to a fine not in excess
of Two-hundred Fifty ($250.00) Dollars for each offense. A separate
offense: 'shall be deemed committed upon each day during Which a
violation occurs or is committed and such violation may constitute
disorderly conduct.
Il.
This Local Law shall become effective upon its filing with the Secretary of
State of the State of New York.
1.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Counclman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly.. ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 2 is to appoint George Grattan as a Beach Attendant.
2.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town B(sard of the Town of Southold hereby appoints George
Grattan as a Beach Attendant, effe~tiv~ July 17,'-:1987, at.a starting salary, of $4..29
per' hour .....
2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman C0chran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, SupervisorMurphy.
.This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
"SU~PERVISOR MURPHY: Number 3'is to set another public hi~aring.
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3.-Moved by Councilman
WHEREAS, there has been Town Board of the Town of Southold a
proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Zoning", now, therefore, be it
RJESOLVED that the Town Board hereby sets 7:55 P.M., Tuesday, August 11, 1987,
Southold Town Hall, Main Road, SOuth~ld,. New York, as time and plac;a for a public
hearing on the aforesaid'~r_o__P, 0sed Local Law which reads as follows, to wit:
LOCAL LAW NO. - 1987
A Local Law in relation to Zoni,n,g
BE IT ENACTED by the To~n Board of the Town of SOuthold as follows:
I. Chapter 100 (Zoning), Article III, Section 100-30A(2) ofthe Code of the.Town
of Southold is hereby amended to read as follows:
"(2} The following agricultural operations and accessory uses thereto,
provided that there shall be no storage or_manure or othe~ odor-
or dust-producing substance or use, except spraying and dusting
to protect vegetation, within'ine hundred fifty (150) feet Of any
lot Ii ne:"
II. Chapter 100 '(Zoning), Article XI (General Regulations) of the Code of the Town
of Southold is 'hereby amended by adding a new section thereto, designated
as Section 100='1'19.3, to read as follows:
"Section 100-119.3. Storm Water Runoff
Rainfall and storm water.runoff into roads or streets-is prohibited from
residential or commercial construction."
I11. This 'local law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly. ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 4is to a transfer of funds from the General Fund
Whole Town.
4.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes.the follow-
lng 1987 Budget modification to the General Fund Whole Town:
To: A1.490.'1 Public Works, Personal Services $15,000.00
From: A8160.1 Refuse & Garbage, Personal Services $15,000.00
to provide the'correct budget appropriation for the new Deputy Commissioner of Public
Wor ks.
4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Coundl-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And Number 5 is to amend a prior resolution.
5.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Sout[aold hereby amends their Resolution
No. 16, adopted on July 14, 1987, appointing Deidre M. Fogarty as a part-time Clerk
Typist in'the office of the Town Trustees, reflecting a starting date of July 20, 1987
(was August 3~ I987); and be it further
RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby transfers part-time Clerk Typist Joyce M.
Wilkins from the office of the Town Trustees to the office of the Town Clerk, effective
.J,..uly 20, :1987 (Mrs. Wilkins beings full-time employment in the office of the Town
Clerk on August 3, 1987, per Resolution No. 30, adopted on June 30, '1 987).
5.-Vote Of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schond~bare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor'Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number-.-6.
6.-Moved by Councilman Schondel~are, seconded by Justice Edwards,'it Was
RESOLVED that the '[own Board of the Town of Southold, in accordance with Chapter,
27, Section 27.1.B. of the Code of the Town of Southold, hereby grants the Cutchogue
Free Library a Special' Permit to hold a Library Dedication and Open House Celebration
on the library property,-Main Road, Cutchogue, New York, on August 9, 1987, between
the hours of 11:00 A.M. and 2:00 P.M., provided they secure and file' with the Town
Clerk a Certificate of Insurance naming the Town of Southold as an additional insured.
6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 7.
'7.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Schofi'debare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Boa'.rd of the Town of Southold, in accordance with Chapter _.
27, Section 27.1.B. of'the Code of the Town of Southold, hereby grantes the Douglas
Moore Memorial '-Co¢acert Committee a Special Permit to hold their'Eighth Annual Douglas
Moore Memorial Concert on the Cutchogue-New Suffolk Historical Council and the
Independent Congregation Church & Society property, .at the Cutchogue Green, on
Saturday, August 8, 1987, at 8:00 P.M., provided they secure and file with the Town
Clerk a Certificate of Insurance naming the Town of Southold as an additional insured.
7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MI~RPHY: Okay, Number 8 is'a proposed amendment to the Community
Development Year 13 Program Budget.
8.-Moved by Councilman Schond6bare, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it Was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will consider the followinq
proposed amendments to the Communit~ Development Year 13 Program Budget at their
~r__Meeting to begin at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, ~u~fust 1t, 1987, at the Southold
Town Halt, Main Road, Southold, New York, 'at whic~ time interested citizens will
be given an opportunity to comment on the propose(3 changes.:
Current
Project
Cutchogue Free Library
Land Acquisition Program
Elderly Day Care Program -0-
Contingencies $10,000.00'
New
B, udget Increase Decrease ,Budg'et
-0- $5,000.'00 -0- '$ 5,000.'00
$66,000. 00 -0- $5,000.00 $61,000. 00
.$6,500.'00 -0- $ 6,500.00
-.0- $6,500.'00 $ 3,500.00
8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, 'C~uncil-
~ ~-h~--~ae--~-~-F~, -~-~-'~cilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: . Number 9 is to authorize budget modifications in'the General
Fund Whole Town E, udget.
9.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it 'was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the follow-
ing modifications within the :1987 General Fund Whole Town Budget:
From: A8160.4 Refuse & Garbage, Contractual $4,950.00
Into: A8160.2_ Refuse & Garbage, Equipment- $4,950.00
9.-Vote of the Town Eoard: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare,. Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was. declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And Number 10 is to grant a Special Permit.
10.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold, in' accordance with Chapter
27, Section 27.1~B. of the Code of the Town of Southold, hereby grants The Trans-
figuration of Christ G~r;eek O'nthodox Church, Mattituck, a Special' Permit to hold their
Hellenic Festival on the church grounds, Breakwater Road, Mattituck, on July 24,
25, 26, 1987, provided they secure and file with the Town Clerk a Certificate of Insurance
naming the Town of Southold as an additional insured.
10.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Coundlman Penis. y, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, JUstice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPER~/ISOR MURPHY: And Nu~iber 11 is to authorize a refund of $150.00 to aMr.
~ Mrs. Theodore Krukowski for a filing fee to the ZBA.
11.-Moved by S-.upervis0;-- Murphy, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes t,l~.e refund
of $150.00 to Mr. and Mrs. Theodore Krukowski, which amount represents the filing
fee for Appeal No. 3650, filed on. July 13, 1987, and this Appeal was withdrawn on
Ju..ly 16,'1987 by the applicants.
11.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes-: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman 'Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenl:.L. rgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. ~.
SUPERVISOR MORPHY: ~Number 12 is to accept the resignation of Charlie Novitt
and Jane Amedin in the Nutrition Program. I offer that resolution.
12.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded l~y'Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby agcepts the .resignations
of Charles Novitt, Van Driver for the Nutrition Program, effective July 6, 1987, and
Jane Amedin, Kitchen ,~id~e for the Nutritio'n'.Program-and~B'rief Respite Aide for the
Brief Respite Program, effective July 8, :1'987;
' --l-2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schond~bare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor M~rphy.
?Fhis resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. -.
SUPERVISOR MURFH. Y: And-Number 13 is~ to authorize' budget modifiCations'in the
Whole Town 1987.Budget in'Parks, C~)ntractual $218.50, into F'~r-l<s, Equipment $218.50.
I offer that resolution. .
13.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, second~:l by Councilman Sto~tenburgh, it was
RESCLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the follow-
ing modification within the General Fund Whole Town 1987'Budget:
From: A1770.4 Parks, Contractual $218.50
Into: A71~ 0.2 Parks, Equil;~ent $218.50
13.-Vote of the Tow n Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny· CouncilWoman Coch ran, Council-
man Schondebarej Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution ~'as declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 14 is to authorize a Special Permit.
14.-Moved by CoundlWoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwardsj it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold, in accordance with Chapter
27, Section 27.1. B. of the Code of the ToWn of Southold, l~ereby (~rants the Oyster-
ponds Hisl~orical Sociel~y, Inc. a Special Permit to hold their'18th Century Day on August
15, 1987, between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 5:00 P.M. on the grounds of the Oyster-
ponds Historical Society Inc., AND their Christmas House Tour on December 20, 1987,
between the hours of 4:00 P.M. and 7:00 P.M,, which is awalking tour of about 12
houses with partidpants walking between the homes; provided they secure and file
with the Town Clerk a Certificate of Insurance naming the Town of Southold as an
additional insured.
14.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny· Councilwoman Cochran, Council-'
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: . Number 15 is 'to authorize trav.el of the Town Board to the
City of Portage, Wisconsin; ! offer that resolution.
15.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh· it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the follow-
lng individuals to travel to the City of Portage, Wisconsin, on Monday, July 27, t987,
to view their municipal solid waste composting facility, and the actual cost for airfare,
mileage, meals and other necessary expenses shall be a legal charge against the Town
of Southold: Supervisor Francis j. Murphy, CouncilWoman Jean W. Cochran, Justice
Raymond W. Edwards, Councilman James A. Schondebaref and H2M Group representative
Gary Loesch.
15.-Vote of the Town--Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, CouncilWoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 16 is to authorize a letter of support and endorsement
on behalf of the Suffolk County Department of Health Services for patient.care services.
I offer that resolution.
16.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and dire~ts
the Town Clerk to .submit a letter of support and endorsement on behalf of the Town
Board to to be included in 'the grant request being submitted by the Suffolk County
Department of Health Services, through the Division of Patient Care Services, to the
New York State Department of Health for funding for the Riverhead Health Center
to operate two satellite services and expand ambulatory care for the citizens of thee
North and South Forks.
16.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY; And Number 17 is to renew a single family trailer permit.
17.-Moved by Councilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by CouncilWoman. Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the application of Frank J. McBride for renewal of a sinc~le family house
trailer permit, for trailer located on the north side of Oregon Road, Cutchogue, which
permit expires on August 9, 1987, be and hereby is granted for a six (6) month period.
17.-¥ote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Scho~debare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards; Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ~DOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 18 is to a~cept a Letter of Credit, in the amoutn or'
$65;000 ~s a performance bond for the improvements at'~,eydon Court at BayvieTM."
I offer that resolution. .~- '
18.-Moved by SupervisoF Murphy, seocnd~d~by Councilman Stoutenburgh, it was
RESOLVED that the Town l~oa~rd of the Town of Southold hereby accepts~Letter of
Credit #M-8743, in the amount of $65,000.00, as a Performance Bond- for roads and
i .mprovements inthe major subdivision "Reydon Court at Bayview".
18.-Vote of the~Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran~Council-
man Schond~bare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
Thts resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 19 is to authorize the Fishers Island Ferry District
to restrict parking.
19;-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by CouncilWoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Tow.n Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission
to the Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Island FErry District to restrict parking
at the entire wooden dock area adjacent to Silver Eel Pond which is a part of t~e Ferry
District's Fishers Island Terminal., as follows:
1. That portion of the dock area utilized for the staging or outside storage
of freight shall be posted as a "No Parking" area.
2. The reaminder of the dock area not specifically intended for staging or outside
storage of freight shall be posted as "30 Minute Parking". ~
19.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-' ~
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy. ~
This resolution was, declared duly ADOPTED. ~
SUPEI~¥1SOR MURPHY: And Number 20 is 'to authorize the submission of a joint applica-
tion ~ith'the Town and the North Fork Housing Alliance to the New York State Affordable
Housing Corporation for a grant. I offer that resolution.
20.-Moved'by-Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Supervisor
Francis'J. Murphy to submit 'a ioint application (Town of Southold and North Fork
Housing Alliance, Inc.) to the New York State Affordable Housing Corporation, under
their Affordable Home Ownership'Development Program, in'the amount of $210,000.00
(14 units of housing at $150000.00 each).
20.~Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man S~hondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 21 is to authorize' another submission of a grant applica-
tion with the Town and the North Fork Housing Alliance and.the State Housing Corporation
under the Affordalbe Housing Program in'the amount of $1,260,000 for 84 units o,f
housing in Greenport on the Costello property. I Offer that resolution.
21.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by CoUncilWoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Supervisor
Francis J. Murphy to submit a joint application (Town of Southold, Nort Fork Hous. ng
Alliance~ inc?, Diane Carroll and Donald Bracken) to the New York State Affordable
Housing Corporation, under their Affordable Home Ownership Development Program,
in'the amount_of $1.,260,'000.00 (84 units of housing at $15,000.00 each).
21.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And Number 22 is to appoint a Van Driver for the Home Aide
Program. i offer that resolution.
22.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby _appoints Donald Ameden
as a Van Driver for the Home Aide Pro~lram, effective July 2, :1987, 20 hours per week,
$4.00 per hour, to be paid through the-Home Aide Program budget; AND as a ,~Brief
Respite Aide for the Brief Respite Pro~jram, effective July 2, 1987, 10 hours pe-~--~-~-k,
$4.00 per hour, to be paid'through the Brief Respite Program budget.
22.-Vote of theTown Board: Ayes: Councilman penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
'f his 'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And Number 23 is to authorize the engagement ofa'cleaning
service for the Town Hall on weekends at $180.00 Cost per week. I offer that resolution.
-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby engages the services
of Harold W. Lockwood to perform professional cleaning and maintenance services for'-
the Southold Town Hall, effective August 1, 1987 through October 31, 1987, at a cost
of $180.00 per week, all in accordance with the services outlined in the request for
proposals dated June 30, 1987.
23.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Sch0ndebare, Councilman Stoutenbur~h, Justice Edwards', Supervisor Murphy.
Thi's resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPH~Y: Number 24~.is'to appoint a member of the Board of Ethics.
24.-Mo~/ed by CoLi~'cilman Stoutenburgh, seconded by Supervisor Murphy, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board~of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Frank A.
Kujawsk~, ~Jr. a member of the Southold Town Board of Ethics, effective immediately.
24.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: CouncilWoman Cochran, Councilman Stoutenburgh,
5Opervisor._~urphy. Noe$~' Councilman Penny, Councilman Schondebare, Justice Edwards.
This resolution was declared LOST.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 25 is to aothorize a refund.
25.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED.that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the refund
of $3,650.'00 to Donald & Vicl!oria-Bracken, which amount represents a double-payment
with respect to site Plan #161 (Cedarfields & Mooresland) submitted to the Planning
Board.
25.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: . Number 26 is to grant a special permit.
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26.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED that in accordance with Chaptger 27, Section 27. i.B.-of the Code of the
Town of Southold, the Town Board hereby grants Our Lady of Ostrabrama Roman Catholic
Church a Special' Permit to hold a dance to benefit the parish, on Saturday, September
12, 1987, from 7:30 P.M. to 2:00 A.M., in'the barn owned by Leander GIover, Jr on
Cox Lane, Cutchogue; provided they secure and file with the Town Clerk a Certificate
of Insurance naming the Town of Southold as an additibnal insured.
26.-Vote of the Town-B0ard:'A~~ ~Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Counci -I~- -
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This'resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 27 is to engage architectural services for an extension
on the Town Hall.
27.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
RESOLVED thal the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby .,e,.ngages the services
of Fairweather-Brown/Architects, in an amount not to exceed $4,500.00, as well as
reimbursable expenses, for all phases provided for in their proposal dated July 28, -
1987, for the construction of the Justice Court Annex and Walkways at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,. New York.
27.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Counci'l-
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, that's the end of our prepared and added-on-agenda.
At this time I Would like to ask the Town Board members if they have anything further
to report. George?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Y~es, I'd-just like to--Paul made an announcement earlier regarding
the Water Advisory Committee and the fact that we had posters that were going to
be produced by the Town of Southold and passed out to the p~'blicj well this 'was donated
by an Orient resident, Burke Liburtf and I just wanted .to mention that before this
assembly. Thin'was at no charge to the Town. He provided ~us with three posters
through his graphics business and gave us a selection, and he's going to make a slight
modification~or~it and soon they'll go to print. So I just wanted to thank him and hope
he'll get a letter from the Town 13oard thanking him' also. That's all.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Jay?
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Yes.
telephone number~-on-'~i't. Whose?
Paul, you mentioned you're going to have a
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: It's going to be the Town Hall.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We!r,e g~'ingto use the 1800 number and then get the answers
to -anybody.
COUNCILMAN STOUT-ENI3URGH: We had originally thoughtof putting it in the Planning,
but they said they can't handle that with the one telephone set-up they have there.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Everything goes ~o the Supervisor or the Town Clerk. Paul,
anything further? (Nothing.) Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I would just like to say I'm not going to be available
for the Father's Meeting on Fishers Island. I'm going tO be out of town for the week,
but I have asked Judge. Edwards to extend my apologies and also my best wishes for
a success fut meeting. ~'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ray?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: I iust want to welcome the County Executive to our dais, and
also we look for. ward to seeing him on Fishers Island on the 5th. Thank you.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, Michael has been invited and I would to also, on behalf
of the Town, welcome Michael LoGrande, our County Exec, out to his 'Town Board
meeting. He's been talking, he wanted to come out here to check up on how we're
spending his taxpayers money~ Michael is a good friend of the East End and Michael
has worked very hard and I think is 'doing an excellent job, and he has, I .think, all
of Suffolk County, as well as the East End, in'particular, in'mind in'realizing as a
Planner the necessary--what it's so necessary to plan for the future so that we don't
overdevelop and that we are going to have a source of fresh drinking water, mainly,
and a place to dump our garbage instead of the barge. They're still~having troubles
in'lslip~with that. Hopefully we never get involved in-something like that. But 1
welcome Michael here and at this time I would like to ask anyone in the audience, do
you have' any questions of the Town Board or our County Executive? I'm sure he'll
be able to handle them very well. Maybe, Mike, you'd want to make a few comments
first.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE MICHAEL A. LOGRANDE: Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Supervisor
and members of t'he Board. I appreciate your extending the courtesy. I appreciate
the opportunity to come Out here. Two things that I Would like perhaps do, but there
were two resolUtions that were adopted by the Suffolk County Legislature. There
was some question as to whether or not we would go forward with these because we
want to be absolutely certain'that whatever work was being done right now- concerning
the BrownTide.~:algae problem in~S.uffolk County, that it Wouldn't be redundant research.
My staff has informed me that it's not a bad-idea.to approve the resolution 1574A-87,
Which was dated July 14th of 1987: that calls 'for the issuance of $250,000 in Capital
Notes Of the County of Suffolk to pay part.of the cost of conducting a study on Brown
~ide algae in'Suffolk County Marine Waters, and it's my pleasure, Mr. Supervisor,
to sign that resolution before you today, so that as of this moment it's enacted into
law And I have another accompanying resolution which I wiil'also sign that allows
us [o extend that Capital Note for the purposes of engaging research funds that will
attempt, at least, to give us an answer ~to what this 'problem is 'with the recurrence
of the Brown Tide. So I'll sign that one as well, and I'm happy to open my comments
and discussions with that, b~cause I know that the scallop industry, as well ~as the
marine industry. It's a vital part of this Town, and all of our Eastern Towns in Suffolk
Coun'ty, and hopefully we can maybe just do more than study. Unfortunately there's
been a lot of Study ahd no one has been able to give us a definitive answer, Land we're
hopeful that maybe this'willdo it. I'd tike, if'l may, just make a quick presentation
for the Board as well as the citizens here on what's probably known as the Pine Barren~
Bill~ but unfortunately that's not' thecorrect title. The correct title is 'the "Drinking
Water Preservation Program", and I'd like to point that one out to you inca minute..
as .to why tl~ere is 'that distinction, because it started off as a "Drinking Water Pr~§~rv~
tion Program", and if I gave the Legislature a little more time it Would have turned~!~
out to be a r:eall, estate operation I'm afraid, in buying land and forgetting th~ fact
that we have to try to get pure potable water to our families. I wonder if I could walk
over there and l!J~make that presentation (display board).
What~ I'd like to do is explain to you at,least the genesis Of the "Drinking Water
Program" tl~at_w~e began looking at in Suffolk County. There's been a great ~deal of
concern as we look to our neighbors to the west, which is Nassau County,-and the
problems that they're experiencing right now with reference to water caps and the
fact that unfortunately in'their planning they never thought that they would end up
with a saturation population of close to 1.6 million people, even though they're around
1.3 million now. They have another 300','000 population that they probably can fit
in Nassau County 'and when that happens in'that county there will be virtually no
lands left that are preserved for recharge purposes and preservation of their aquifers.
When we looked at the same issue in Suffolk County--and this is really an aerial photograph
that depicts,Suffolk County, and we're right about here in'the Town of Sot~thold--
we looked at an area that has been considered to be the most critical aquifer in al/
off S'bffolk County. It's an area called Zone 3. And while this is not a good d(~pi~i0.n-
of it, it's pretty close to. It's an area that extends roughly around Medford--extending
all the way to the South Fork almost up to the Shinnecock Canal, which is 'here, and
it 'stays oh about three or four miles north of the South Shore in the Town of Brook-
haven, a small piece !n the Town of Riverhead, and another piece, a fairly 'large piece,
in the Town of Southampton. That area is called Zone 3 because it's in that area that
the biggest portion of the magothy layer in 'all of Suffolk County exists, and also the
fact that-~it'S pretty much undeveloped. I mean, compared with the western parts
of Suffolk County. You look at the Town of Huntington, close to saturation. Babylon
is. Islip is 'just about at saturation. ~-Smithtown has'a litt'le bit more expanse to it
as well, and the western portions of Brookhaven Town are close to saturation develop-
ment. The same patterns that took off in'Nassau County, is occurring already in the
western part of our County. So we thought that the decision is timely, that something
has to be done now, and.~his area--almost ~h'its totality.~-should be preserved. Just
to give you an idea, the magothy layer which Poughly starts about 150 feet o~f depth,
and goes down in some cases in'-this .area to about a depth of'almost 900 feet, that
kind of thicEness in a magothy layer, and the fact that all of th~ waters of Peconic
River are spring:'fed waters, that's the only really pure spring-fed river that we have~.
on the East Coast of the United States. That that area is large enough and can sustain
enough rainfall--absorb enough rainfall to keep our populatin supplied with water
to the tune of about 2.2 million people fo~ all of the forseeable future. What it comprises
is roughly around 85~,000 acres. If you think about it we have roughly 48 to 50 to
52 inches:of rainfall a ' ' '' ,. - '
Y ~ ., Ten-t~-~i~J~a~. ~a~nfa ~gets absorbed and the remain-
ing 90 percent either runs off into the streams o~ transevaporates back. into air again.
The ten percent that gets absorbed is around five inches of rainfall over somewhere
around 80,000 acres would produce in'the neighborhood of 100 million gallons of. water
per year and every year, and so this area can not only s~ore that amount of Water,
it can supply enough wa~er, really, to supply the entire County of Suffolk if it ever
grew to the point of 2 millioh, and I'm hoping that we wili'not see that number. Right
now we have 1.3 million people n'Suffolk County--a little bit over that. When we
looked at this 'area again'we found out that large portions of'it 'are already in'public
ownership, such as the Brookhaven National La~ra~ry~-a!th~ugh there are some
questions a~ut how pure. the aquifer is in'that area. There's also Calverton Airport".
Very large Pin~ Barrens preserves that are in small' acreage and split 'up in fragmented
ownership. There's' Some other public property that air--dy held by the County of
Suffolk, and ess~ntialiY .almost a thir~ going to pretty c]0~ to a hal~ of the propert es
in this 'area are',atread~ 0wn~ or some how protected from future development, and ~
therefore the aqU~f~r'i~sel~will'be pretty much the same. 'Wehad originally estimated
that we should '~y somewhe~e around 24,000 acres. TSar if We acquir~ that much
that we would p~0~bably own enough and keep enough of the land that's inthe Zone
3 aquifer area in'itS natural state or close to its natural state as possible, such that
we would have it 'pretty much under control. That was ou~ plan. We started off with
saying: "'How much la~d d°we ne~ to a project~ population with a safety favor in
there of 2.2 million '~ ~.~
people.. Again we hope that we don't reach.that level of population
because it Will be mighty c¢owd~ out here. How much water retention can Lhere be
there and how much land can we actually purchaseZ Whatwould its dollar value be~
And then how do we go a~ut buying it? It was my thought, and I sprung it on
my staff one morning, and i said, ~k at ~t. We thought ~,n~t~al,ly that when you pay
your sales tax you pay four cents to the State of.New York, believe ~t or not, every
year. Mr. Supervisor, you and I know this 'very well; that every year we pay some-
where around 480million dollars to the State of New York out of that four cents portion
of seven and a half cents sales tax. That's close to a half a billion dollars a year.
Sales tax money that go to Albany, and unfortunately whenever we ask Albany for
road improvements and those kinds of things, they say, why don't you tax yourself,
as if we're not taxed enough in'this County. Three cents ~oT that sal~ tax goes to
the County of Suffolk, and .......... that is'almost a little over 340 million dollars per year that
goes into defraying costs of County services in Suffolk County. A quarter of that
penny of the seven and a half cents--we, re up to seven cents--a quarter of t~at
penny goes to t~e support of the MTA.subway systems in New York City. S~ people
say, well, it's not going to the'subway system, it's. the MTA, including the ~ng Island
Rail Road. The difference is'the Long Island Rail Road, ~hen you look at pure economic,
the rail boad actually operates in'the black. The New York City Subway Syst~, which
is the largest component of that MTA system, operates in the r~. So we'll always
subsidize', the subways of New YorR City, and we were asked to do that by the State.
Legislature unila~eralJy. We never had an opportunity to either vote on it or budget
it. They voted iJn"Albany to give a quarter cent sales tax from the suburban ~unties
of Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester without our knowl~ge,.without our input, and
it Went to New~0rR City and continues to go to.New York City. My first thought
that w~,.could maybe use the sales tax. I. thought there was a sunset I~. I ~eem~
to recall--but my staff researched it Very thoroughly ~at t~he"initial discussion of
this~-I'm not sure whether members of the Town Board remember this too--but when
we were told that this 'was going to be us~ for the MTA there was suppos~ to be
an expiration date, that it Would end at a certain'time. Wel',l that expiration date never
made it to the State Legislature, which means that a quarter, of a cent of sales tax
that we send in suppo'Kt of the New York City Subway System will continue indefinitely.
By the way, that's 32 million dollars a year-that we send frem Suf~lk County. The
other quarter of.a cent sales tax, which we all pay, goes to the support of the South
West Sewer District, and I know that--and twenty-five other dis[ric[s throughout the
Cqunty. I know that that's been a very controversial'subject in'Suffolk'County~ but
in'fact what it Was, it was another sort of environmental tax. That project,-which
was scandal ridden withouL question, end~ up causinq far more then we ever expected,
and as a result ~ that a quarter cent of our sales tax,~oes to' retire that debt. (change
tape) ........ unlike'other proposals that have been made--the State is famous for
doing this all the time-~New York State DEC is even better at it~-they Ilke to regulate
things to death. They in'fact levy all sorts of impositions on private property. They
take private property by creating r~.tape, is that they're doing. My wayofthinking
is that we either 'put up or we shut up. If'we want to preserve a piebeof property,
we don't regulate it as preservation, leaving the property owners paying taxes on
it~-if it has a public purpose, let's buy it.'; And let's make sure we preserve it and
do it the .right way. S0 unlike--and even some of my colleagues~ some of the County
Legislators, like to regulate things. I made the sugges"tion that we take that 32 mi_Ilion
dollars per Year and begin to acquire these lands. We could buy it Over an extend~
period of time of approximately eleven years. From 1989, even the beginning of '1989,
to the year 2000. I want~ to co~,ti'nue the project even beyond the year 2000, and
we were. going ~o move moneys from one~.categ0ry to purchase to water purification,
solid'waste disposal and other things in'all future years. The ~rst shot that I took
from the Suffolk. County Legislature was that they wanted to sunset for the year 2000.
I'm not .sure. how many of them are .going to be inof~ce in'the year 2000, ob even my-
Self,for that matter, but some of them were very much concern~ about it, so '1 guess
they're ve~.~optimistic. But I sort of felt that it Should have gone one. That those
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moneys should have been used environmentally, just as we do the MTA, which is going
to go on forever--paying for the subway systems in New York City. We should pay
for and assist towns so they could solve their'solid waste problems. It was my thought
that we could use that money for that purpose. ! acquiesced--I had to because I couldn't
muster the vote that I needed in'the County Legi§lature, and we have it now sunsetting
in'the year 2000, That's okay. At any time.from after the project is under .way and
we. have more enlightened members of the Legislature at that time who realize the value
of that quarter cent s.ales tax and what it can do and will do to preserve the environment,
I think that they may find that in'the year T998,'or something scientific like that,
I 'guess--that they may even on their'own decide to extend it-~it may be. Suffice
to say, we acquiesced on that one and the year 2000 this program will end.
Now you can see that we have an eleven year period of time with which we begin
buying property, and we have enough money in'that program to not only acquire the
property, to make payment in lieu of taxes for those properties that we do acquire
so that we don't have:n~ .... o.e ~ci~oo~.o..~s.[~'- "" ~",.~," ~:~,,:<~ Lo?..g~ood Schoo.~ District, b~,,z ..t~e
way, which has has most of this '"orange" in'it. If we bought that, in the space of
two or three years We would bankrupt ~he school district in no time at all. We would
make payment in'lieu of taxes. Initially I had a plan to make payment in lieu of taxes
to the year 20'00 again, and what we did was we just simply took portions of the third
2 million dollars every year and we invested it and we had enough money to continue
to pay the taxes on this 'land, and we could have done so indefinitely. Another problem
that the Suffolk County. Legislature has, and if You'll pardon me this evening I'm going
to speak very frankly, the Legislature does not like helping school distr cts, they
don't like helping towns, they don't like (a) helping anyone but the Suffolk County
Legislature. Their belief is that is 'the only real formof government. I personally
have to say that what we should be doing is 'assisting the school districts with payment
in'lieu of taxes and even the towns with payment in lieu of taxes to keep the properties
on the tax rolls for an extended period of time. That if we could do that that there
won't be any tax shock in many of these other areas. Also, from the standpoint of
just as we didn't like the quarter'Cents sales, tax going to this area, which is..'the South
West Sewer District area in Suffolk County, there are people here that wouldn't like
somebody else preserving the groundwater in their area by removing properties from
the tax rolls and increasing their taxes everytime we do that. In fact, in these areas
where the aquifer is deep and pristine, they don't have any serious water problems.
Therefore, they're making the efforts to preserve the water for all the other areas
in'Suffolk Coun~ty and besides they're being hit with increases in'taxes.
So I Want to buy the Pine Barrens areas. We wanted to make payments in lieu
of taxes. The second program that we had, whi.ch we felt was critical, and that was [~
the start of a rev.en-ue sha~ing program. If you look at the level government that i's.
the most important level of government for'the people, I believe it's town government.
Towns and villages, in some places we have villages that are fairly large. But towns
and villages are the levels of government that have to respond immediately to the needs
of the people. You don't have time to argue and-debate and spend a great deal of
time in responding to what the people's needs are. Those town governments right
now are being besieged with regulation after regulation concerning solid'waste. We
another one recently--they have a new one now on dredging, which they decided we
have to have a full impact statement on dredging. The State government has promulgated
law after law. We can understand the validity of those laws and the importance of
those laws, but sometimes they also have to look at the recipient communities and say,
hoW about extending a hand and a little bit of help. It was my plan that what we would
do would be provide to the five western towns of Suffolk County that are fairly large--
Brookhaven with 400/000 people-Zthat we would give them $t0.00 per capita per year
out of this program, and continue that until the year 2000, or beyond if it ever expires
beyond that. And if__we did that--this is a table here that shows the per capi~ta revenue
sharing--and we actually had it 'broken down by T990,' 1:S95, and the year 2000, which
we have fairly good accurate estimates of what the populations of. those areas will be
right-how. Obviously the further dates are the ones that are always in question. -
For example, the Town of Babylon with 215,000 people--I might say something about--
while those were-the 'numbers that were. there and they were pure numbers, the Legis-
lati~'Pe again, whi:ch it 'really apparently stuck in'their 'craw that we Were goin~ to share
revenue from the sales tax for the first time With towns, decided- to stage a major battle
on that one, and we tried to use good techniques of give and take. We acquiesced ~
a little bit 'so that while it doesn't exactly come out~-to be $10.'00 per .capita for the
western towns, it'§ $15.'00' per capita for the eastern towns, it comes pretty close to
it.' In addition to that what moneys we have reserved--and I'll show you that in another
part of the program--we wiil'also furni-sh those towns--we'll probably make up the
difference--by assisting them in, whatever has to be done.
Just running th~0-u~h it very ~uickly, you could see that if it was $10. 00 per '
capita the Town of Babylon in :1990 would receive $2,150,000.. They in fact .~ill receive
$1,734,.000, And in the ~;~ar :1995 they woul'd recei've'a li:tt'le bit 'more then that.l.7
million, and a little bit more then that, and you can see that Babylon is fair. l~ close
to saturation. It doesn't have much.more population growth. B~ookhaven o~..the other
hand does have a.great deal of population growth, although they're sustaining it 'right
now. Brookhaven would receive under this program 3.3 million dollars.' Initially.Brook-.
haven would have received at zl million doll.ars in'the year 1:990. And so on down the
line. And I think you can see them all. Let's go to Southold. Now Southold has the
mixed blessing that the population isn.t that great, which is not bad, although growing
very rapidly, and on~ the other hand at $15.00 per capita Southold would receive about
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$271,000 in the year :1990'. We start the p. Eogram in'1988or '19'89,' theTown would be
receiving somewhere aroB~Bd.$25~.~.Q~A~i~Q:~e~.~:~ea~.~ You could count on that.
We re also suggesting that not only can you count on that money, you could leverage
those dollars so that the Town for example if 'it had a maior program of water quality
improvements, it 'could probably leverage those dollars ten to one on a munici'pal bond
issue, guaranteed payment coming out of the sales tax. if they did 'that they probably
could levy at any. one time close to 3 million dollars for water projects they'd be making.
So that was the revenue sharing portion of it. Remember, out of the same quarter
cent sales tax on buying the Pine Barrens, we are making payments in lieu of taxes,
we're sharing revenues,with the towns, and I might add--and for the edification of
the Town Board--w;e originally had no holds barred for what those moneys could be
spent for, except that they would have to be spent on related projects concerning
water. They may be water quality protection programs, solid waste disposal was an
eligible, expense_. Anything sort of related to preserving the groundwater and the
aquifer. Purchase~0f lands that you felt should be p~eserved, even for preservation
of~ aquif'ers-~=yO~ RaVe no~itiajOr'aquiferg ih Sbi~thoid 'T~w'i~,-no~e to spear o-f. There"s
a small one I guess, one bubble in one area, but there is no really large significant
aquifers that we could say that you're going to count on that water forever._ At some
point in time there will'be piping of Water. Hopefully we're fifty years away from
that yet, 'but waters will be coming from the reserve areas to service other areas.
Shelter Island, for example, has salt water intrusion if you go deep enough. It's such
a narrow land mass that it has salt water intrusion already, so that their bubble is
not ;only defined in 'this 'dimension, it's also defined in depth, and so that they do
have a limited amount of water and there will'come a day when Shelter Island will be
supplied with water the same way--although their population fortunately hasn!t been
skyrocketing that much.
And then Lhe last part of the program, which is 'the program on protection of
the aquifer--Water Quality Protection Program--you could see that we started off a
little bit "small. This 'is 'the amount of money after we do the other three things, or
four things--the amount of money that is essentially left over is moneys that we will
be spending in support of the town.~s efforts on extensions of water mains, on water
quality testing, on disposal of certain toxic wastes, disposal of special materials which
are exceedingly'difficult now for towns to dispose of, and I know what this town is
going through, as I went through with the Town of lslip with solid waste disposal
and all the regulations. We would like to back up the towns with a Water Quality
Protection Program that you could see in the first year doesn't give us anything. We
start off with a quarter of a million, then it doubles. In the third year it goes to 7.3
million dollars, and then it grows up and down a little bit to a point where totally we
would be accumulating over the eleven year period about 65 million dollars. We have
one critical program that we know is going to come down on us too, and that's some-
where around the year 1991 or 1992. We know that the State is going to insist that
every sewage treatment plant in Suffolk County move to nitrate removal. ~nd when
you do that it's a very costly operation. And then that--the reason for the 7 million,
and the reason why we prorated the numbers out and saved it for the later years,
is 'because we want to be able to respond and assist some of those school districts~-
some of those sewer districts that are going to undergo majo:r costs escalations in that
area. But do we have enough moneys to:support and back up most of the town efforts
in at: ~east get~i~ng potable water supply to people. In'that also we're talking ab,out -
extensions of water mains, possibly water quality improvements and treatment systems.
They;;ma~be isolated ones. I know that we have a Temik problem out here and aldicarb,
so there may be some small assistance that we may want to work on, perhaps individual
home unit~'systems. Those kinds of things to offer protection to our people. The
whole plan is based one simple thing of pure water, because you cannot, no mat~:a'r
how you try, you canno~ deny the fact that as we develop and continue to cover UP
the land we'll always be competing with pollution, and that in order to preserve this
and make sure that not only our generation but future generations will have a clean
water supply. It doesn't mean anything to us,' essentially. What is 'says is 'that the
average family at the end of.1989 would probably have saved maybe $20.'00 per person
in a family per year. That's about what you spent, unless you buy brand new cars
every year, if 'you buy boats and all these other things that are pretty high'in sales
tax. But if you don't, the average family Would spend about $20.00 per year on a
quarter cent sales tax. What we're suggesting is we just leave, that. Just what was
being paid'today, with no change in the sales tax structure, we'd leave that and let
it continue to the year 2000. So you would not see an increase in taxes over and above
what it is, but admittedly had we not done that we would-have maybe experienced
a decrease, ir~ taxes, and that's less than a can of soda--people have showed us how
insignificant it 'really is to preserve the future drinking water supply ~0r this'. County
for all' fut.ure generations.
What's goin.g to happen now is that it ~nally passed the Legislature, and at the
eleventh 'hour w_e had another Eegis[ator pop out of the--woodwork, never attending
any of these conferences, and came out with another theory--we want to see at lea§t
50% of the moneys that are collected in the purchase of lands. We didn't want to make
this a real estate acq_uisiti0n program. There's other ways of preserving open space.
We haye another Legislator who said, "1 just love Pine Barrens. We should buy up
every inch of-l~ine trees that are aroui3d." That's fine, and if he wants to do that
it's good. That was not the purpose of this program. This program was based on
the scientifi'c knowledge that all we needed was approximately 24,000 acres to be acquired
for adequate protection and for a safety factor.in there for a water supply system
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that this ·area alone can provide for all of the County. Keep in mind that even in some
of the congested areas of Suffolk County, like Huntingtion, and large areas in lslip,
still· have--even though they're developed--they have fairly deep aquifers which will
still'draw clean water for many~ many years to come. So a good part of this portion
of the Courtt,y will still have potable water supply, even if We didn't do this. We do
know that some of the farm areas where the land masses begin to narrow down as you
get close to the shores salt water comes in, and around the farm areas aldicarb and
things are getting in. The upper glacial levels in the western part of the County
are polluted. The first hundred feet of Suffolk~County has portions where develop-
ment exists weknow is pretty much polluted and almost irrewersible, cannot ·reverse
that system of pollution.
That's our plan. Mr. Supervisor, members of the Board, we would hope that
wewill have· the wording very shortly for your purposes so that if~you wi~ll see it on ~
the ballot we would hope that you would 'support it. This is'the first attempt that
is being made, and if I happen to continue in'this job fora period of:time~ I wa~nt~.~o, ....
continue to support towns because I still·think that town governments are the ones
that provide the services to the people, the closest services to the people, and the
most responsibility. It wil[be on the ballot in-November. If'it is approved by the
voters of this County, then we willtake that tothe State of New York. It's not mandatory.
it doesn't mean that the State of New York will'automatically allocate that quarter cent
sales tax. But we will take it 'to the State of New York and show good numbers· hopefully,
and ask the State_to~13ass_·that kind of leqislation. We've alread~y__b_een told, because
it's getting to be funny season, that oh, there's no way~fi~t~13e ~Will approve
this~ Well, I want to see somebody who runs for office see numbers three and four
to one deny us the chance to tax ourselves to save our own water. That will b& a
first for the State of New York to do that. But I think that we'll be able to convince
them on the basis 'of the results of the ballot~, and we would appreciate it if you would
support that. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Mike. I think it's an excellent program. I think
the people of Southold Town are very much aware of water problems, and I appreciate
your efforts. I hope we're·successful this November. So maybe does any Town Board
member have a question on the program?
COUNCILMAN SCI~IONDEBARE: Let us have some information as it COmes near so we
can g~et'iit Out to the people here in'the Town Of Southold.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: We!Il all support it.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Is it going to help us on the Island?
COlrJNT~¥ EXECLI~IVE~LLOGR~ANDE: Sure. Do you think we can get a pipe over there?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mike, I'd lust like to comment. You made a friend with Ray
Edwards that this is one of the few maps have come out that has Fishers Island on
it. You know that SUffolk County starts in the east on Fishers Island.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE.' That'.s right. ~
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Ray is always fond of telling us wherever the sun
rises in·the morning.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: He reminds us every day.
COUNCILMAN SCHONDEBARE: Fishers Island gets it 'first.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, anyone out here have any comments on the program
or any other questions of our County Executive? Frank?
FRANK BEAR: I do have a some questions about what you were just talking about.
i just came from a meeting of the Water Shed Protection Committee of the Suffolk County
Water Authority, and they're talking about· trying to save taxes and save approximately
a four mile' wide area, two miles on each side of the spine of the County, up to approx-~
imatelythe,.l?econic'Estuary. The Suffolk County Water Authority has a Water Sl~ed. Ii/~
Protection Committ'ee and they're planning to have what a'call a "water.. shed corrid0~"', ~
which is going to be approximately two miles on each side of the spine of the Island
where the water shed, of course, is the deepest. Now, in that it 'covers a great deal
of the area which you identified h~re, but .it also covers a different area, outside of
what they're thi,nking about. I wondered what kind of coordination there might be
between 'the t~o things ? ~ ~
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: Our line in·the delineation of Zone 3was What
resulted from the ·208 Study, which-was.a comprehensive study 'i0f, the aqui.feri area,
a federally sponsored program, showing that this is 'the primary aquifer in this area.
And I'm not sure what the Water Authority has in mind. I mean there·may be--and
there are areas,, incidentially, that are outside this area that are still worthy of'preser-
vation.. T~ey're not the thickest area of the magothy and that's what our primary
cbncern is. I might also say that there's· no limit on moneys' that we may be giving
to Southampton--for example ! think ,~heY~;i§e~ abQut three quarters of a million dollars--
$600,000 a year. They c~'~acqUi~:~!l~{'~-~'%~-a~J~di~i~ to what we've acquired.
East Hampton can do the same. East Hampton has some. You can see right around
Sag Harbor on that map, and some other shaded-in areas that are considered almost
as good as the Zone 3 area in'terms of water supply. So they could also acquire with
their own funds and we will do so with our funds as well. There's no really hard fixed
line. We do know that if we can preserve between 20,000 and 30,000 acreas in this
area that we're buying, that we would pretty much meet our obligations to all future
generations.
FRANK BEAR: It thi~qk you've just raised the second question I Wanted to ask. I
see you have something in both Southampton and East Hampton, but nothing on the
North Fork.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE; ' Yes. And that again; that;s the identi'fica~i~n ' -~'
under the 208 Study as to where the critii:al aquifers were located. Again I think
you can see too the question of the width of the land mass. That i:f, the land mass
is wide enough we won't have problems either with salt water intrusion, and also
depending on the topography it's probably pretty good drainage area, so we know
we're getting the percolation of good water. It just doesn't exist on the North Fork.
I think that's one of our problems, and that's one of the reasons why we'd even Ilke
to see support, because while we have no intentions of saying that there may not be
areas in:Southold that we won't acquire--there's so many negatives in'there,-if Southold
wants to acquire land, and I l~hink that there should be some propertie§ that should
be acquired to preserve it,' that we would assis~ them in'doing that. !But in'terms
of where the wat~ers will come from in the future, I [hink that we have to recognize
that we're just not going to create any more pure waters in Southold or Shelter Island,
and the result of that is 'most Of the '~ater is 'going to be coming from the deeper
magothy.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And we hope to, Mike, have on as a referendum also at the
same time at the election, a bond issue to preserve water shed area. here too.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: Good.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Anyone else? Yes?
MARGE DRAPE: I want to commend Mr. LoGrand. _ This time said LoGrand, last
time I called you LoGrande and you got mad.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: No, it's the other way around, but I never get
mad. They call me a lot worse then that.
MARGE DRAPE: My question is on water to Mr. Murphy. What, if'anything, is being
done for the people in Captain Kidd where I live where~we're still buying bottled water
and are prohibited to use the water. What is being done to help us? Can you tell
me that ?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The Town Board has given the right to Suffolk County Water
Authority to come in and purchase that property. We were assured that they were
purchasing it, and I believe they are negotiating with the owner. Unfortunately it's
a slow process, but in knowing some of the people involved I could understand it.
And it's too bad that it's taking as long. I understand there's additional problems
down there right.9ow. Suffolk County--the Town Board cooperated. We spent money
on a study 'to look to forming our own district there. It was tu~n~0wn by th~ people.
Suffolk County Water Authority very graciously came in and said'they will'buy it.
We suppor~ted their acquisition and it's necessary. Unfortunately some of the people
you're dealing with are a litt'le slow.
M~RGE DRAPE:- In other words it 'fell through. Is that it?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Iidon't think it 'fell through, no.
MARGE DRAPE: Well what is being done for us right now?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Suffolk Couf~ty Water Authority is .....
MARGE DRAPE: This 'is a couple of years.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY:' '~'..is now nego.tial~ihg with the 0~ner--the private owner.
We are not in the business of condemning people's property.
MARGE DRAPE: I don't care about his property. I'm worried ~bout my water;
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That .belongs to somebody, unfortunately, ll~.should never
have happened 'and hopefully it will never happen in Southold Town again- that we
have a private water system.. There's many people to blame, but there's no sense
in blaming anyone because it happened, This is going back many years to the early
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MARGE DRAPE:
now.
And how long do we have to wait for help? This is going on for years
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I can't promise you any more. We helped. We spent money.
The people turned it 'down when we tried to help them. The residents themselves
turned it down and now we've asked the Suffolk County Water Authority to come in
and acquire it and they are negotiating. They. were very happy to acquire it, because
they knew of the problems. They knew of the serious problems down there, and
unfortunately in'dealing with the owner they still have not been able to finalize the
sate. Maybe the people in Captain'Kidd Estates should talk to the owner and put a
little pressure on the owner to sell it instead of delaying and looking for a little bit
more money and using the people in Captain Kidds. as a horn in his 'negotiating. I
think maybe if 'the people 'in 'Captain Kidd got up and went after the owner maybe you'~
do it a litt'le faster. That's where the blame belongs and that's where it 'has to go. I~
Anyon'e eise?' Thef'e ~ust b~ mo'¢~ q"Q~e~tions;~ is everybody happy with the County
services out here? Now he might want to complain'about our taxes in Southold Town.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: Not yet. Not yet.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Mike, do you maybe want to comment a little about your efforts
and the County's effoi~ts in trying to pass the Land Transfer Tax and how that could
have helped solve some of the problems out here.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: As'Frank knows we supported that. We sent a
letter off to both delegations, I guess, both the Assembly as well as the Senate, and
we did indicate that this is something that we felt was necessary. Our eastern towns,
including the Town of Brookhaven, need something with which to at least acquire some
property to preserve some open space, and that there's probably nothing wrong with
the Land Transfer Tax. It has been applied in'other places--Marthas Vineyard, and
other_areas around the United States.___ But Unfortunately ! think it passed in'the Senate
and failed in the Assembly, and l~don't think it will'be brought up again unti-~ext
year. And that one ! really don't know why. I think that certainly those people who
were concerned that this is 'going to escalate the.value of property, I don't thinJ( that
that is going to be the case. Certainly the person who sells the property is going
to roll that kind of tax into it anyway, and it's supposed to be some sort of sharing
of that two percent that we thought would have been a reasonable and equitable way
of doing it 'and ge~Lting some moneys together that way. We'll try again I guess next
year and see what happens.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Yes, Ed?
ED S IEGMANN: Was Anderson one of the stumbling blocks on that business
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE- lt;'passed his House. Ken-~LaValle was the one.
who / think.delivered. We spoke to Ken LaValle on the phone at the request of many
of the Eas~'End~Supervisors and he said 'that he could, deliver it in--he was pretty
sure he could deliver it in the Senate and he did, and then it failed in the Assembly,
which is controlled by Brooklyn I think you know, unfortunately.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: And it's very interesting to note that for the last three years
prior to this 'it 'had passed the Assembly Ways and Means Committee, and this year
it was never voted out. And the Senate had never passed it 'prior, and so this year
the Senate passed it 'and the Assembly let it die in committee. Yes, Ed.
ED SIEGMANN: You know, maybe more pressure ought to be put on the City by Nassau
Counl~y and 'Suffolk County in reference to that quarter percent tax you were talking
about that goes to the subway system. You take a house in'Queens that pays $600
to $700 taxes, can be sold at the"same rate that a house out here will sell for, but
will. be taxed at about $3,000'; Now there:ought to be some way that you can use this
as ammunition against the City when they'tie you up on other things, that they should
raise that tax a little-bit more in there--I'm talking about the real estate tax now--
because when you talk about $700 compared to $3,000 it 'doesn't seem to me that they
couldn'.t raise the balance of that money that they need.-to run the subway system.
But-.the¥ 'don.'twant to put the taxes on their own people to run the subway system,
although the people from out here pay the gas taxes and everything that they have
to to travel back and forth. Maybe th'ere' is 'some way that Suffolk and Nassau Counties
together can put some pressures on those people to change some of these things.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: They've~tried. Unfortunately whe you have an
area or region with a liti~l~ less than 3 mHlior~ people up ~gainst a city w th 8 million
people we're going to lose, just by virtue of the numbers. And the control o'f. the
Assembly and certainly the Govei'nor--always comes from New York City--so it'S exceed-
ingly difficult to shift some of that burden, but I think--and I can tell you now candidly--
that I tlhink that Nassau, Suffolk and portions., of Westchester County and Putnam. Country
throughout New,York state are now picking up a very, very unfair share of tax burden.
We asked for highways to be fixed up. We need some widenings up in the Rocky Point
area. We need some improYements to 112. We said; "For Gods sake, finish Sunrise
Highway. It's gettin-~-Iike Brueckner Boulevard now.'" They can't seem to'get it done.
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Every time we ask for thes,e ~oads they,~.~l;_9~ ii; out,' Well, it's going to be ..1996,
1998, the year 2003, and ~ ne~r?~"~'~'~¥~ a~ad'~et what I said a little bit
earlier, which was about a half a billion dollars a year that we send, that's only sales
tax. I didn't mention what we send in terms of income tax to the State of New York.
I mean, most families out here are paying t0%, 12% in income tax, State income tax,
and we have an area where.there is virtually no unemployment. We have a hard core
unemployed, a very small pe_rc_.e_ntage. But we have a very productive area. A very
hard working area. We. have families now in order t0--sur~;i've I~ave [o nave ~wo people
working in a family, because some of these young kids cannot carry a home without
husband and wife both having jobs today. And so even though we have the blessing
of having virtually no unemployment, we are also in an area where we're overworked,
our families just to keep their heads above water are strug ! rig. Young people and
young families are struggli:ng Very har~t; ~Seniof citizen~ ]agnd ~Iderly peol~le living
on fixed inCOmes just to trY ;co ke~p their heads above water. The State of New York
~a[Is' to s~ ~ dis~i~'~C'~io~'.. We're always ~ook~d at as bein~ a wealthy ~re~, ~nd they
fail to realize that incrementally all the people in our areas are suffering very greatly.
i don't know when that is ever going to come. We came close when .we thought we
were going to get Jerry Cremmer, even though he's a Democrat, from Nassau County.
We thought that we were going to get him' as the Speaker of the Assembly. That never
came about. It went back to Brooklyn, it Was Mel Miller, and it's New York City controlled
all over again. 'So unfortunately--Jerry. Cremmer's a very honorable and good Assembly-
man. He lost out by one vote, as a matter of fact, and as a result we're going to be
hurting for a long time.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Just be careful how you talk about Democ'~'ats.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: I'm saying about the Democrats in'New York City.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: It's very true and it's very sad that even our Long Island
Delegation, the entire Long Island Delegation, in'fact the entire Suffolk County Delegation,
was not in support of this Land Transfer Tax, when of all people in the world they
should have real~ized the problems and the need for it. But that's I guess what you
call politics. Anything else?
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: Maybe just one last thing, Frank. You know Southold
Town had a study as far as bringing water from the west into Southold Town, and
it 'proved very unlikely,, very high cost, and so we probably will not in the near future
gain much by the acqL~isi~i0n of i~he Pine Barrens, although I support the concept because
we need that for the County. I realize' that you have revenue sharing built into your
plan which gives us some funds, but to me I feel that we still fall a li-tt'le short in not
getting a benefit from that Pine Barrens, and there should be a way above and beyond
what you've already stipulated in here to take care of that cost that everyone else
is benefiting bY except Southold Town.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: From Riverhead too, by the way. I think you'll
see. RiverheacLhas' a very small amount of land that could be.acquired.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: But even they are closer to the water. If they had
to pipe it they would be a litt'le closer at least. Is there any way that this can be
overcome ?
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: Somehow I think, Paul. And I have to tell you '
this. There was no mistake that we went for revenue sharing. The revenue sharing
idea was simply to garner, get enough strength across the County to make sure that
this 'referendum goes through, because why would somebody from Huntington, for
example, they would .be contributing a considerable~ amount in terms of sales tax on
the quarter cent, and they would get back--even though the number looks big like
1.8 million dollars, that's still'no where near what they would be paying into it. Why
would they ever vote for it if they didn't have the revenue sharing plan? SO the revenue
sharing to me was a vital part of this whole thing. What we have is 'that other number -
that I set under the,Water_Quality Protection Plan. There's where we could sort of
balance things out a little bit. That's'where we could say that if you have a project
that you could put together and show us. that this is a project that is vital to bring
water mains or extend some water treatment faciltiies in'certain areas then, and. un-
fortunately if We had the program under way I ~hink we could have assisted even in
buying the Captain Kidd Water District, that if 'we had this program under way we
can make.up the difference for these areas. Shelter Island said the same thing. "How
long do you think it Will'take before they extend the w~ater main over to Shelter Island?"
And we don't anticipate that any would happen for the -next fift'y years or so. But
there's no question about it that we can put moneys into it out of that 65 million dollars
in Towns like-Southold, Shelter Island and other places that. need assistance and' water"
quality protection. So I think we could:do it. Unfortunately I can't show you a direct
benefit other than a revenue sharing right now. But we can and. we'll start right
away if you could put other programs together and bring them to us on an emergency
basis,.we will'then begin'funding it out of the Water Quality part of that Program.
COUNCILMAN STOUTENBURGH: My only concern there would be that the larger areas
would have more demand for the dollar than we and we still would never come Out.
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COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: Perhaps. But oddly enough I think you're going
to find--for example, lslip Town, we now have town-wide water district where everyone
will have water mains in Islip Town. We pay for it ourselves, and so youql see that
in lslip Town there's not that many projects that we could even undertake. So that's
an area. Including Smithtown. They!re pretty much covered~with water mains as
well. Huntington the same way. Babylon has some problems but they're small. I
think you're going to find that most of the moneys for water treatment, extensions
of water mains and bringing new water into areas is going to be in the eastern part
of Suffolk County, so I think that that's where you'll dei~ive even greater benefit.'
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I Would like to say, Mike, that the Suffolk County Health
Department has' been excellent in'the support of Southold Town in'their'Water Manage-
ment Plan and in helping to~,develop a filter district, which is individual point of use
treatment area .....
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LOGRANDE: That's one that we're looking at carefully for possible
funding as well.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Frank, I'd like to make a comment on that. I don't know if Mr.
LoGrande realizes that we're having an extensive water study done on Fishers Island,
and I want to thank you for the County support that you've given us in sending people
over there to help us with our testing and our monitoring and it's been extremely helpful
those people that are coming over there.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: They're starting a whole brand new program over there.
Joe Baler and the County H~ea'lth Department. Okay, anything else? (No response.)
If not I Would like to'thank everyone for coming out here tonight. I would like to
thank our County Executive Michael LoGrande for coming here, and I would also like
a special thanks for signing into law these two bills authorizi'ng the funding of this
study. I think it's very important for our baymen, for our way of life out on the East
End, and I think maybe Mike had a little hidden interest in'this: I think he likes to
go out clamming now and then. Okay, I think that a motion to adjourn is in order.
Moved by CouncilWoman Cochran, seconded by Councilman Schondebare, it was
RESOLVED that this'Town Board meeting be and hereby is .adjourned at' 9:00 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Ceungilma, n Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Council-'
man Schondebare, Councilman Stoutenburgh, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This'resolution was declared ~duly ADOPTED.
.-~ludith T. Terry ~-.//
Southbld Town ClerlL~