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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
DECEMBER 13, 1988
WORK SESSION
Present: Supervisor Francis J. Murphy, Justice Raymond W. Edwards, Councilwoman
Jean W. Cochran, Councilman George L. Penny IV, Councilwoman Ruth D. Oliva,
Councilwoman Ellen M. Larsen, Town Attorney James A. Schondebare, Town Clerk __
Judith T. Terry.
9:00 A.M. - For Oiscussion Items: (1) Letter from Philip Cardinale regarding the
proposed zoning map--Mr. Cardinale will meet with the Board at 2:00 P.M. (2) Council-
woman .Larsen discussed with the Board the Norris/Car~/Wanat subdivision/char~ge of
zone petition with proposed transfer of development rights. The number of units
proposed was reviewed from 1972 when the Norris project began with a proposed 132
units on 26 acres, which was not acceptabl~,to the Planning Board and was reduced
to 108 units. A 1975 lawsuit resulted in the Town's "M" zoning being upheld. Council-
woman Larsen said she would like to see the matter resolved to the satisfaction of the
owner and the reside'nts of the Town. In the afternoon Planner Valerie $copaz met
with the Board and this discussion continued. Ms. Scopaz reviewed the projects from
their inception to their present status of 25 units on the Norris property and i07 on
the Carr/Wanat property. This matter has not been resolved and is still pending
before the Planning Board and Town Board. (3) Oiscussion of the need for a second
scale at the Landfill to properly implement the new landfill tipping fees to go into
effect on January 1st. Superintendent of Highways Jacobs has indicated that he
would like to see the fine with respect to Chapter 48, Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse,
be increase'd~to $1,000. The Board placed resolutions 18 and 19 on the agenda to
hire H2M to draw the plans and specifications for the scale, and authorizing the Town
Clerk to go to bid. (4) Enactment of the Local Law to amend the Code and the Zoning
Map relative to the Master Plan Update was discussed. 'Justice Edwards has not read
the minutes completely and would like additional time. This matter will be placed on
the January 10, 1989 agenda for discussion. (5) Appointment of a new Police Sergeant
will be discussed in Executive Session. (6)' Memorandum from the Board of Appeals~
transmitting a request from John Chobor for a refund of his $150.00 filing fee to th
Board (see resolution no. 24).
9:30 A.M. - Insurance Consultant William F. Mullen,'Jr. met with the Board to again
discuss the Board's proposal for self-insurance with respect to medical coverage. Mr.
Mullen's recommendation to the Board was to engage the firm of Craig-Lindsay as
administrators of the Town's plan, but upon further questioning by Councilman Penny,
Mr. Mullen agreed to seek additional information from Anthony M. Paresi, the other
firm being considered as administrator, and meet with the Board after the first of
the year. At th'~s ti~e the Board made a firm decision 1~o discontinue the Empire Plan
as of March 31, 1989, and placed resolution no. 20 on the agenda to withdraw from
the State Health Insurance Plan as of that date.
10:30 A.M. - Planner Valerie Scopaz met with the Board t~'~bring them up to date
on current projects before the Planning Board which are planning to use public water
systems. Following Ms. Scopaz' presentation, Mark McOonald and Robert Villa of the
Water Advisory Committee made a presentation on their report on sub-four act'e parcels
within the proposed Core Watershed Protection Area. Water Advisory Committee chair-
man Frank Bear, and members William Gremler and Walter Smith were also in attendance.
The aforementioned report and other reports of this committee are on file in the Town
Clerk's Office. All of the Board members stated they support the Core Watershed
Protection Area concept, but Councilman Penny asked that the land use regulations
be addressed by the full Water Advisory Committee.
EXECUTIVE sEssION
11:40 A.M. - The Town Board (Councilwoman Cochran ab'~nted herself) and Town
Attbrrrey met in Executive Session with Police Officer John E. Clark, his attorney
Erick Larsen, Police Chief H. Daniel Winters, and PBA President John Baglivi, to
H~ar pfiese~tations with respect to the disciplinary action against Police Officer Clark.
(See resolution no. 27~)---The Board then discussed a Police Sergeant appointment
(see resolution no. 22), and other personnel matters, as well as pending litigation.
1:00 P.M. - Recess for lunch.
2:30 P.M. - Work Session reconvened and the Board met with Gall Horton, Substance
Abuse Coordinator for CAST, and Ihsan A. Aziz, Program Oirector for the Thinklnc/
Straight Institute. Mr. Aziz works with eight to thirteen year olds teaching skills and
techniques of decision making and gbal;§~:~{i~g, He woUld like to bring his program to
Southold Town and presentett--a tentative bUdget of $17,800- 2/3 administration, I/3
exposu:re, and a proposed starting date of January 15th. The Board will consider
what funds will be available from the 1988 budget to contribute to such a project.
3:20 P.M. - Town Board reviewed regular meeting resolutions.
3:30 P.M. - A call was received from John Thatcher, resident of Fishers Island, urging
the Board to initiate a studY to determine alternatives to composting.
4:00 P.M. - Philip Cardinale, attorney for MOhring Enterprises, InC., met with the
Board to diSCUSS their last minute change to the proposed zoning map with respect
to a 3.6 acre parcel on the corner of Cox Neck Road and Route 48,: Mattituck. On
J'uly'26, 1988 the Board changed this parcel from LB to AC. The parcel,' which is
presently zoned B1, is presently before the Planning Board for site plan approval for
business use of this,~corn'&r parcel. The Board was unaware of the background informa-
tion presented by Mr. Cardinale at the time of the change° Councilwoman Cochran,
Councilman Penny and Justice Edwards agreed to return the parcel to LB.- Council-
women Oliva and Larsen were unwilling to make the change. Supervisor Murphy said
that jf the Board were willing to adopt the proposed zoning amendments and map under
the Master Plan Update he Would be willing to make the change. If n0t, he is unwilling
to spend another cent on the Master Plan.
4:45 P.M. - Work Session adjourned.
REGULAR MEETING
7:30 P.M.
A ..Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday,
December 13, 1988, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York
Supervisor Murphy opened the meeting at 7:30 P.M., with the Pledge of
Allegiance to the Flu9.
Present:
Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Justice Raymond W. Edwards
Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran
Councilman George
Councilwoman Ruth
Councilwoman Ellen
Town Clerk Judith
L. Penny.IV
D. Oliva
M. Larsen
T. Terry
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: The first order of business, I'd like a resolution
approving the audit of the bills of December 13, 1988.
Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Larsen, it was
RESOLVED that the following audited bills be and hereby ordered paid:
General Fund, Whole Town bills in the amount of $84,931.42; General Fund,
Part Town bills in the amount of $52,009.91; Highway Department, Whole Town
bills in the amount of $14,415.27; Highway Department, Part Town bills in the
amount $23,551.86; Highway Department CHIPS bills in the amount of $92.93;
Southold Waterwaste District bills in the amount of $830.00; Fishers Island Sewer
District bills in the amount of $294.00; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in
the amount of $7,980.39; Agency & Trust bills in the amount of $4,160.08;
Fishers Island Ferry District Agency & Trust bills in the amount of $165.19;
Nutrition Fund bills in the amount of $2,489.41; Adult Day Care bills in the
amount of $16.47; Home Aide Program bills in the amount of $8.10; Snap Program
bills in the amount of $1,424.98; Community Development Fund bills in the amount
of $1,215.69
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva, Councilman
Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Next is a resolution approving the minutes of the Town
Board meeting of November 29, 1988.
Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the November 29, 1988, Southold Town Board
meeting be and hereby approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oiiva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOJ~ED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Next is a resolution to set the next meeting date for
December 27, 1988, 3:00 P.M., Southold Town Hall.
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Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board will be
held at 3:00 P.M.r Tuesday December 27, 1988, at the Southold Town Hallr Main
Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
I. REPORTS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: First item on the agenda are reports. I'd like to remind
everyone these reports are on file in the Town Clerk's O~f~.~ce for anyone who
would like to read them.
1. Board of Trustees monthly report for November, 1988.
2. Town Justice Edward's monthy for I~lovembert 1988.
(a) Building Inspector's monthly report for November, 1988.
(b) Ordinance Inspector's monthy report for November, 1988.
4. Scavenger Waste Treatment Facility monthy report for November, 1988.
5. Town Clerk's monthly report for November, 1988.
6. Substance Abuse Coordinator's monthy report for November, 1988.
7. Recreation Department monthly report for November, 1988.
8. Town Justice Tedeschi monthly report for I~ovember 1988.
9. Town Police monthy report for November, 1988
10. Supervisor's monthly budget report for Novemberw 1988.
11. Councilman's Reports. I would at this time ask the Councilman if
they have anything special to report, starting on my left, with Judge Edwards.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Thank you, Francis. I've been out of town for aboUt a
week. Came back over here yesterday morning. We had a Police Activity, Com-
mittee meeting. These people on Fishers Island, they're a little upset about the
Police activity on the island last summer, andw~e'~e~oing to sit down with ,the
Lt. Trudell, and Chief Winters, and trying to get things straightened out for
the season next summer. With that I've a long work day today. I have Court
here tomorrow. I hope to back on Fishers Island tomorrow evening weather per-
mitting, and leave for Christmas holiday up in Stonington, Maine, on Thursday
evening. With that, thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Raymond. Ellen?
COUNCILWOMAN LARSEN: Thank you, Frank. I attended the Master Plan public
hearinc~s. Justice Edwards is reviewing the minutes. Before that we had decided
that he will wait until our January 10th meeting, to allow Justice Edwards and
the rest of the Councilman as well,to prepare any, and review the Master Plan
once again, to bring it up for discussion at that time, and see exactly what
areas need to be addressed in response to the public hearing. Shortly after
that, some of you may remember, that the Town of $outhold was nominated,
nominated by the EPA. There are nine EPA regions in the United States.
There are $600~000. available in EPA grants for artificial wetlands creation.
I extremely, extremely proud to say that the Town of Southold has submitted
a grant and we are competing with cities such as San Francisco, for our share
of monies to pursue our bio-filtration program in the Town of $outhold. On Friday
of last week, Ray Jacobs, John Bednoski, Jim McMahon and myself, met with
members with the Office of Egology. Emerson Hasbrookf who's the new appoint-
ment to the grant has an excellent background. Felix Lasisarow, an EPA
representative, and Christopher Smith, who works with Sea Grant, throu~gh
Cornell Cooperative Extension, and who has always been a wonderful friend
to $outhold Town. He's instituted our scallop program. He works with oulr seed
program, and because of our record on bio-filtration, he felt that the TOwn
of $outhold would be a good candidate for this grant. We are the only grant
applican~t from our re§ion, which is region two. Now remember I said that there
is nine-~ the country. Probably five of them are on the coastal areas. $~o whether
we win or not, and get this $200,000.00, the fact that we do have our areas,
map bio-filtration, the fact that we do have a Skunk Lane project, makes me
extremely proud that we have been nominated. I am ho.~ing, and we haYe our
fingers crossed, that we do get it. That weekend Ray Jacobs did overtime.
I did overtime. On Saturday, I went and took pictures of all of the access areas
for the runoff from Route 25, and ~oro Road, and Boisseau Avenue, to show
the access, and show; and went and took pictures of Skunk Lane to submit
with the grant. When you have the resources available to you, you can ~get
a grant together rapidly. They brought in the water management resource
division of cooperative extension and the resources of the EPA. They took the
information provided by Ray Jacobs, Jim Mahon and myself, and submitted the
grant. So I'm very proud of that. I would also like to say that the Board of
Trustees, also, submitted a letter that s~ates several years ago, the Conservation
Advisory Council with support of the Town Board and the Board of Trustees,
~athered information and data to compile a list of those sites that were ¢ontami-
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~ated, contaminating our town water with runoff. Using this information the
Town Board initiated our first artlfj~j~i~'a'~Sh using fragmites in Mudd's Creek
near the intersection of Eugene Road and Skunk Lane. Our next project would
be the Town Creek in the Village of Southold. We would appreciate any financial
assistance, that we might qualify for, to assist us in our struggle to save the
22 creeks, wetlands, and marshes and estuaries in the town, very truly yours,
Frank Kujawski, copy to Jime McMahon, the Board of Trustees, the Town Board,
and the Highway Department. We also received a letter from the North Fork
Enivironmental Council, urging us to designate all our creeks within the Town
of Southold, as criticial environmental areas. The Town Trustees have already
designated the creeks with the greater shellfish value, and endangered habitat
CEA. Many of the creeks, also, abound, and their value-is stated is as follows,
The preservation of the creeks and surrouding buffer zo~'e will constitute the
benefits to the public health, development along the creeks may adversely affect
the public water, vegetation in these areas provide wildlife habitat and open
space. These lands are a part of Southold's heritage, which the Trustees have
been stewards of since their conception, and are historic, recreationals and
education significance. They contain inherit ecogical, geographical and hydro-
logical sensitivi ty to ch~inge which would diversely be affected by any change
in the natural charactaristics and integrity of these areas. They constitute
an important factor in the proliferation of perp,etuation of wild life, plan...
and open space, scenic value, purity of ground water, wetland water for pro-
tection. And of course they harbor and contain habitat for endangered,
threatened, or special concerns of plant communities, among these are, of course,
our oyster, scallops, and because of our hard clam program, they are not
endangered. And this was from Ronnie Wacker. I'd also like to report on the
conclusion of the Peconic Bay Task Force of the past year, which I have been
a member of, and a very proud member of. Much has been accomplished and
we have reason to hope that positive action will continue. Your letters to public
officials and the media have had some good results. The Peconic Bay Task Force
on the banks of the Peconic River, the head of the estuary, Congressman George
Hockbrueckner met with several of the Task Force and local county officials
to tell us in person the good that the Peconic Bay estuary is now on the list
of national estuaries, and is eligible for federal funding and scientific expertise
under the EPA office of marine estuary protection program. There is still more
work to be done to insure funding, but we are working on it. In Sag Harbor,
Fred Field met with Task Force members and east end Town officials to sign
the criticial environmental area legislation designating the shoreline of the bay
as subject to environmental review for any proposed development. In addition,
our County Legislature's Greg Blass and Fred Fields, have continued to push
for legislation to help save the state of the bays. As we enter this holiday
season, there is reason to rejoice, while much work still lies ahead, we have
come a long ways still our rally for action in the early years of 1986, The Brown
Tide study is in progress, and we expect preliminary reports shortly. We have
had enough scienific data from the 208 study and the studies on the Chesapeake
continueto take action. Our next course of action will be the following: We
need friends. We are making friends-with the people in the EPA, and National
Ocean ..... Atmospheric Administation. The Task Force has set zero pollution
to the estuary as our goal for 1989 and we are speaking at all major projects,
proposed for each of the five shoreline towns. Save the Peconic is in the process
of being incorporated as a tax deductable organization, and we will keep you
informed. I'm also happy to report that the Long Island Alzheimers Foundation
has been awarded the East End Community Center of $9,520.00 to implement
as Alzheimers Day Care Program. This is due to the efforts of Mrs. McKeighan,
who is the director of the Nutrition Center, and has worked very hard and
with the elderly in the Town, so that's a great step for them. I,also,received
a letter addressed to myself, on behalf of the Board of Trustees, and the Mattituck
Free Library, and the residents of Mattituck and Laurel. I would like to take
the opport~ntiy to thank you for reinstating the Town budget of $55,000.00
for t.'~e the Southold Town Libraries. The libraries of the Town of Southclc~
are one of its most important assets. ~¥ith the availi~'iHty of these funds the
libraries may continue to offer the community knowledge through books a~
w~rious programs, story hours for their young, movie,s for their families and
many other activities, programs and learnin~ resourses. The patrons of all
Southold Town libraries will therefor i)en~fit from your d~ci:~ion. Your appreciation
and concern for the Southold Town libraries is reflected through unselfish
decision to re-establish the library monies. We thank you for this and we hope
you w~ll continue to support our Southold Town libraries. I'm sure other members
of the Town Board received this letter,and this is signed, from Thomas Fleetwood,
their director. We~ve, also, received in the past several weeks, many letters,
I would say probably 35 from the Chamber of Commerce, perhaps more supporting
the boat ramp on the Carey Tank farm. As member of the Chamber of Commerce,
they would like to express their support for the Town's proposal to purchase
the Carey Tank farm, and build a boat launching ramp on this site. Since the
Town facilities on the Sound are especially limited in Mattituck, and the existing;
there are no Town facilities on Long Island Sound. There aren't. The mooring
facilities are fast approaching maximum utilization. We believe that the Carey
site affords a unique opportunity to the Town and the Hamlet. The proposed
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ramp will provide an alternative to a County Road 48 ramp, thus reducing traffic
at the length of the inlet to allow expansion of the mooring areas. More importantly
it would provide fast emergency eccess to the Sound, which is very important
for our Bay Constable. This has been one of most longest reports. I hope
you're not all getting bored, but we, also, met on Fort Corchaug. And Fort
Corchaug is 107 acres on Down's Creek, that houses the artifacts and remains
of the early day Indians and settlers to the Town of Southold. We have begun
steps to see that this areas preserved and the Town Board will be pursuing
that. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Ellen. Jean?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Yes, Frank. I, also, attended the Master Plan
hearings and the visit to the site, on which legislature Blass will be presenting
a resolution for the appraisal of that propoerty, but I would like to take a few
minutes to report to you.on the the Northeast Solidwaster Conference, which
I attended on the 5th, 6th and 7th. The conference opened with Supervisor
of Islip Frank Jones, who~ shared the story of the traveling barge, which we
are all aware of, and shared with us that the costs of getting rid of the barge
garbage, which was about $120.00 a ton. He felt it was very apropos that the
name of the tug, that pulled this barge all over the world was the Break of
Dawn. He felt that this incident alone brought and heiqhtened to the people
the problem in today's world. According to William Muszynski, acting regional
administrator for the USEPA, region two. He reported that we're producing
one hundred million tons per year, and in 1960 we were producing 2.6 pounds
per person and in '86, 3.6, and in the year 2000 we'll be producing 4.6 pounds
of garbage per person. In Connecticut in 1990, there are going to be out of
capacity for landfill. Going on 1993 to 1994, Los Angelos, and it goes on and
on. Federally, there are sixty five hundred active landfills. Presently, the
waste stream consist of eighty percent; presently eighty percent of solid waste
goes into our landfills. Ten percent is incinerated, and ten percent is being
recycled. The federal government expects by 1992 that the figures will change
fifty-five percent will be going into landfills. Twenty percent incinerated, and
twenty-five percent recycled. They're actively working with industry to change
the packaging, but they, also, feel that it takes a great deal of public opinion,
presssure from the public to industry will help to get these changes made. In
relation to the standards, and the test that are approriate for analyzing ash,
t hey are still up in the air. There are still too many unknowns. There's no
firm dicision on ash that is produced by burning. Arvie Schulz, commissioner
of New York City, Department of Environmental Protection, I mean, we have
problems, but New York City really has problems. They've got to stop t,heir
sludge dumpting by 1991, and of course when they built their sludge and
sewage plant, they were built on the waterways, with the intent of discharging
into the water, and now, they have two options left, that they either have to
bury the solids or compost. Philadelphia is composting to get rid of their sludge,
and they are presently using it on farmland, and to renew the strip mining.
Milwaulkee is making commercial fertilizer from the compost. Seattle is using
it, and I've also found that trees grow in time of normal growth. New York/Jersey
Department of Environmental Protection Director, Division of Solid Waster Manage-
ment reported that presently New Jersy exports 55 percent of its garbage, and
that they are beginning to face and solve their garbage problems and not, be
at the mercy of far-flung receivables, and they expect to be completly self-
sufficient bythe year 1992. I think that no matter where you travel or where
you go, everyone feels that garbage is their problem to solve. It's no more
crossing state lines, or taking it to other places. Norman Nosenchuck, director
of Division of Solid Waste, New York State Department of Conservation, he feels,
again, that the solid waste crisis will intensify unless actions are taken. He
feels that we have to reduce the amount of solid waste being generated~ reduce
the ultimate amount of solid waste; requiring disposal and safely manage and
dispose of the remaining waste. The composition of muncipal solid waste 'in the
USA by percentages, paper and paper board is 29 to 37%, yard waste 13 'to
20%, fo~waste 8 to 17%, glass 9 to 10%, metals 9 to 10%, p!astic 2 to 7%, wood
3 to 4, textiles 2 to 4, and other is 1 to 3. Groundwater contamination has
been documented at more than 60 of the 228 active landfills in New York State.
And these are proven, landfills that have been contamiqa_~ed. They feel that
the number certainly is a great deal larger than due to 'Re complex in assessing
the groundwater, that there are many more out there that have not yet been
fully assessed. Actions must be taken to reduce the quanity of waste being
generated, to use and recycle as much waste material as possible, and to safely
manage disposal of the remaining waste. We are a society that purchases,
exhumes, discards with little regard for remaining value. Robert Etaliano,
recycling coordinater for the city of Newark, New Jersey, they have the largest
curbside recycling program in the East. When they first went into their recyclying
program, they thought that perhaps a good way to go, would be to give an
opportunity to nonprofit organizations, for the income, but they found that this
did not work, because most of your nonprofit organizations are not set up to
be a business. But what they are presently doing, as a nonprofit group, is
that two-thirds of the city collection on paper is done for the Center for the
Handicapped, and that these people are picking up two thirds of the city's waste
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paper, and recycling it, as a business. Christine Helgendorf, I wish these people
had easy named like Smith and Brow~i~?~She'~s- vice-president of Public Finance
Department for Prudential Base Capital Funding, stated what they look at in
financing is what she calls SWIM. Solid Waste Intregrated Management. This
is a pooling systems, and not just one, that you keep your incomes flowing in
regard to fees, selling of recyclables and no projects sta~ds alone, and she
also stressed,; no matter what conference you go to or the people in relations
to, what ever topic they're speaking on, they stress the importance of education
to the community and that an informed public is supporting one. She felt very
strongly about this. One of the most interesting speakers, I found interesting,
was a marine biologist from the Center for Environmental Education, which is
a non-profit group located in Washington, and she spoke on the problems of
marine debris. She showed slides that were absolutely unreal in relation to
the problems that plastics are causing our fish and our wildlife. She reported
one half of the trash per day for every person on recreational boats, commercial
fishing fleet fishermen have discarded in the waterways. Out of 280 sea bird
species, they have found there are fifty known to eat plastic and also feeding
this debris to their young. She also feels that education is essential. What
they done, this non-profit group, is they've developed a beach clean-Up~ '
program, which is being done by many waterfront communities, and' to date in
1988 they've had 47,000 people take part in the program. They've cleaned
3,000 miles of shoreland, and they have picked up 900 tons of plastics garbage
on the beaches. I've written to Kathy and I've asked for more information,
because I think it's program that Southold should seriously consider doing in
the spring, and maybe twice a year. I thought she was great. It was well
worth while. During lunch we had as guest speaker, Elizabeth Goswell, who
is regional director-general of Ontario Region Environmental Control~ and she
shared with us, the Canadian picture of waste disposal and recycling. Paul
Abasman, director of pollution control for Allied Signaling. This company repre-
sent 125 plants, nationally 75 to 100 plants overseas, and it was very gratifying,
there two different representatives of industry. But industry is beginning to
monitor itself, because of the liabilities involved. They're doing the production~
They're doing the landfillingt and they can be held responsible with the liability,
so what ever the reason, it will benefit all of us~ because they certainly are
now beginning to take safeguards in relation to disposal of chemicals and things
that are harmful to the environment. Ellen Feldman spoke on packaging and
this comprises between 30 and 40 percent of the solid waste stream by weight°
Today proposals for reducing the amount of packaging in the waste stream
includes packaging taxes, material bans, requirement for biodegradable and
recyclyable packaging, and, of course, the returnable beverage containers,
which we are familar ~'~itl~. She also feels that the packaging wastestream is
growning, and that they're shifting to more complex materials in the packaging.
She also feels, that by gentle persuasion by the consumer to the industry and
through legislation, that action in excessive packaging can be eliminated. Our
next speaker was Supervisor Murphy from the Town of $outhold, who shared
with the group Southold's STOP Program. It generated a great deal of interest,
and there were many questions, and people that'wanted further information,
and Frank, it was a job well done. Paul Wiskawski, manager of the Environmental
Management Department at A.T.& T., Bell labs, was also there representing
industry. He, also, agreed that they're looking, the companies are monitoring
themselves, and looking at ways of doing thing better, because of the liabilities
involved. He feels its common sense approach, that you look at reduction, over-
stock piling, purchasing, recycling and recovery. They, themselves, have a
lab, that analyzed t'h~ used chemicals, and if they're mixed they reanalyze them,
and determine how best to get rid of them, and it was kind of fun,as he showed
the slides, they have actually a mini stop program. We have a stop program
for our hazardous waste at the landfill. They have it in their lab, and things
are sorted and categorize and analze ,so it was interesting that they do work
in almost the same fashion. They no longer just landfill drums of chemicals.
They now ercase them in tanks, which are encased in cement, so that there
is as little threat to the groundwater. Over all, I came away feeling that industry
is beginning to monitor itself, and better things are coming down the pike.
Several interesting sidelights or comments that were shared with us, they are
now making plastic out of starch, which is made from corn, which would self-
destruct, or wouldbe biodegradable, rather than making plastic from petroleum,
and it shows that with the awareness of the environment and the products, and
that things that we're using, that the technology is there, and they are finding
ways. They, also, had an exhibit of different companies, and there was one
plastic recycling firm, that was recycling from your soda bottle type plastic.
They were making egg cartons. Now i thought these were great as a consumer,
because number one, I didn't have to open the top of the box to see if my eggs
were cracked. YOU could see visibly through the cartoon. Number two, you were
recycling the plastic. I asked the gentleman how many times you can recycle
because I could see the world covered with plastic egg cartons~ and he said,
no, they could be recycled quite a few times, and Hollow Farms is already
using them, and they had just signed .'a- contract of another eight producer
to begin to use these plastics. So things are happening. People are looking for
the technology. They're looking for the ways to solve some of these problems.
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It may not be moving as quickly as some of us would like, but when you attend
a conference such as this, you do realize that some positive things are happening.
Frank, thank you. '-~"
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Jean. George?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Yes. My report will be somewhat shorter.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I thought it was important to share it.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: On the 30th, I attended a meeting of the Code Committee,
where we are working on site plan review. On the 1st, the Master Plan hearing,
and on the 7th, we're still working on site plan review in the Code Committee,
and probably in one more session, we'll be able to wrap it up._____W._e, had some
very good imput from local attorney Richard Cron, and from a member of-th~
Commerce and Industry Committee, John Berryman, who brought some very
interesting points up into discussion, and I'm glad to see that they were
allowed to participate in these meetings, because things along very quickly.
The site plan review has been in the Code Committee for approximately a year
and a half, and it's finally starting to get together. On the 8th, we had the
Police Committee meeting. We interviewed three officers in Southold Town for
the position of sergeant, and I'm happy to say that we're going to be promoting
an individual tonight. John Henry Ship is here. I see he's outside yet, and
he's going to come and get his strips in a short while. On the 8th, Greg Blass
came out from the County and a number of us from the Town Board, met with
Greg, and the members of the Suffolk County Real Estate Department, and we
took a walking tour of Fort Corchaug. Fort Corchaug was kind of exciting to
me, although there's nothing there, but when you walk on the 110 acres, and
there's about 50 acres of woods that have never been touched before, and its
probably the one place in this community, that I've never been on in all the
years that I've lived here, so it was kind of ni~e to get out there, and see
an unspoiled wilderness. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ruth?
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: Thank you, Frank. On November 30th, we had PBA
ne,qotiations, and also on the evening on November 30th, the Code Committee
discussed site plan review. We, also, met a week later, on December 7th, and
we're just about finished with that, to present that to the Town Board for their
review. On December 1st, I went with several members of the Core Watershed
Protection- the Water Advisory Committee to go down to meet with the County
to get their imput as to our plan. They were supposed to come out today,
Arthur Cuns , but unfortunately they had 4 to 6 inches of snow instead of
the rain that we had here. On December 1st, we had the Master Plan hearing.
On December 6th and 7th, I went with Jean and Frank down to the Northeast
Solid Waste Conference, which Jean has so aptly reported upon, and I thought
it was a very good conference and it just shows the need for repackaging,
learning how to recycle our products, what to do with our waste stream, and
reduce the volume in our landfill, and look for, perhaps, where possible for
composting or resource recovery. But they were very interesting speakers,
and Jean has really spoken about that. We had the C-ode Committee that night,
and on December 8th, I attended an aerial photography course down at co-op
extension, which was really very interesting. They showed us how they take
the photographs. They showed us how to correlate between taking photographs
and maps, because your height differential is different if you're looking down
on something, or say on a street level, and there's a mountain here, and they
showed us how to calculate for that. They showed us how to read some of these
aerial maps, and then they had some maps there, aerial photographs I should
say, about 8 by 9, and you take two of these indentical ones, and then you
take like binoculars. They're just two little things. You put those down. You
flip th _o~e~ over, and suddenly everything is in 3D. The houses pop up. The
trees pop up, and some people that are really good at it, can even tell the
difference in the different type of trees, or vegetation, just by the shadows
that they cast, or what have you. They had some exercises that we had to
do with it, which were fun, identifying all the thing~;~n a little town called
Truckston, and then they showed us, also, the differences of doing it with
infrared and all these different types of filters that you can use to bring out
the different things that you wish to see, such as how well your vegetation
is doing, on farmland and what have you. It was really well worth going to,
and I enjoyed it very, very much. On December 12th, I attended the Special
Groundwater Protection Area Advisory Committee in Hauppauge, where w---'~---~-d
presentations about well head protection from the Federal, and State people and
basically they are going to be propagating rules and regulations. This Federal
want the State, the State down to the local government to start drawing up
rules and regulations for the protection of our well sites.;, and these will be sent
to the State and then up to the Federal government, and-;'~they're going to be
rather stringent. Last night we had Open Space Committee meeting. I had
invited Velma Marsten, who has been very interested in preserving the area
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surrounding Richmond Creek, and we explained a few things, and went over
some things, and the committee will:'~eh~l:~lett-eps to our Greg Blass, to ask if
the County wishes to acquire these, because he said that he would introduce
a resolution, and also, another piece there for open space and habitat. We will
send a letter, the committee will send a letter to the State asking them if they
would acquire that. I think that's all. Thank you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Ruth. As you can see everyone has been
quite busy, and there is a lot going on in local government.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Moving on to the second item, which is public notices.
There are seven of them. These are on file on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board,
for anyone interested in them.
1. New York State Department of Envionmental Conservation, Notice
of Complete Application of Timothy S. Gray to construct a house on a lot a
minimum of 75' from freshwater wetlands on Long Island Sound, north of Sound
View Avenue in Southold, New York. Comments by December 23, 1988.
2. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, N. Y. District, Application of Howard
Hancock to install submarine transmission cable in Block Island Sound, Fishers
Island, New York. Written comments by December 19, 1988.
3. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, N. Y. District, Application of Charles
Mueller to replace and reconstruct groin at Peconic Bay, Mattituck, New York.
Written comments by December 28, 1988.
4. New York State Department of Environmental Notice of Complete
Application of Kenneth and Christine Rathgeber to construct new bulkhead and
backfill at Little Peconic Bay, Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. Comments by
December 23, 1988.
5. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, N. Y. District, Application of Arthur
Kretschmer to establish a shellfish habitat at Long Island Sound in Southold,
New York. Written Comments by December 30, 1988.
6. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, N. Y. District, Application of
John Kenealy to--establish a shellfish habitat at Long Island Sound in Southold,
New York. Written comments by December 30, 1988.
7. The Long Island Rail Road notice of special train schedule in effect
for Christmas Day. Timetables available at LIRR stations beginning December
12, 1988.
III. CORRESPONDENCE.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Moving on to item three, correspondence, there are
four. The last one is very rewarding to the Town, and Ellen touched on it
talking about the grant that Ve McKeighan got for Alzheimers Program. It's
growing and there is a dAfinite need, and it's an excellent program
1. North Fork Environmental Council, Ronnie Wacker, President, urging
the Town to designate all the creeks within Southold as Critical Environmental
Areas (CEA).
2. Captain Kidd Civic Association, Stanley Sledjeski, Vice-president,
recommending Stony Brook University building a marine research center at the
site of the old Carey tank farm, rather than a state launching ramp.
3. New York State Department of Transportation, T. C. Hoffman,
Regional Traffic I:nglneer, regarcling putting a signal light on the corner of
Boisseau Avenue and Route 25, which they did not deem necessary.
4. Long Island Alzheimer's Foundation, Janet B. Walsh, Executive
Director, awarding the East End Community Center $9520.00 to implement an
Alzheimer's Day Care Program.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: ! would just like to say, Frank, I was a little
disappo~F~ted that the New York State Department of Transportation felt that
there was not a need for a traffic at the corner of Boisseau and the main road,
and it might cause more problems...
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: I will second that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: This is about ten years in a row, Jean, that we're
gotten this letter.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I know that, but it might cause more problems.
It leaves much to be desired.
IV PUBLIC HEARINGS. None
V. RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, there is no public hearings scheduled, tonight,
so we'll move on to resolutions, and I would like to remind the people in the
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audience, the policy of the Town Board is, if you have any comments on any
proposed resolution, to please do so at this time. If you have any comments
on anything else to wait until after the resolutions and the final reports, of
comments by the Town Board members. We will open it up to the public for
any comments to address the Town Board on any item. I'd like to ask anyone
in the audience if they have any comments on any of the proposed resolutions
that are on your agenda. On the left? (No response.) In the middle? (No
response.) Hearing none, we'll move on to resolutionsr and I think what
we'll do is go out of order, and take resolution number 22, as number 1.
I'd just like to mention, we are going out of order. We're taking resolution
number 22, and making it number 1, because it is a special night. I would
just like to make the comment, that 1 was, and I think everyone who was
at the meeting was very impressed with the three people that were on the
list. I think they were all very capable. It was a very hard decision.
I think we picked the best man, and I think he's a man that's going to do
a great service for the Town of Southold in the Police Department. I'd like
to offer this resolution.
22.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by the entire Town Board, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
John H. Ship a Police Serc~eant from the Suffolk County Department of Civil
Service Certification of Eligibles, effective December 21, 1988, at a salary
of $43,932.00 per annum.
22.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MIJRPHY: Congratulations. At this timer I would like to ask
our Police Chief, Dan Winters, to change his badge and pin his stripes on.
POLICE CHIEF WINTERS: It's effective the 21st? Okay, he'll get his stripes
then. Unless he's in the hospital from this. I think that will do for right now.
Congratulations.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Henry, would you like to say a few words?
POLICE OFFICER SHIP: Just the Town Board, I want to thank once again,
and my family, they're all here, and seeing.. They'll have to put up with
me. Thanks, again.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Henry, I think you've done an excellent job as
a patrolman. I know you're going to do an excellent job as a sergeant.
Good luck. And have a nice Christmas. I'm sure it's going to be a happier
one this year.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Alsor Supervisor ~lurphy, while Chief Winters
is here, I would like to congratulate him on his appointment to the Board
of Governors for the New York State Association of Chiefs of Policef and
we're honored. This is the first ime that someone from Southold has been
appointed to this position, and we congratulate you on that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay, number I is to accept a bid.
1.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the bid of B. P. Wreckers, Ltd. for the removal of Scrap Paper deposited
at the Southold Town Landfill Site, for the period January 1, 1989 through
December 31, 1989, at a bid price of $855.13, to be paid to the Town in
three equal installments.
1.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 2 is to authorize instructor pay increases.
2.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
the following instructor pay increases: Eleanor Kopek (arts & crafts instructor)
from $9.00 per class to $11.00 per class~ Lynne Wentwor~ (drar~a instructor)
from $10.00 per class to $12.00 per class.
2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen~ Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 3 is an.amendment to Community Development
Year 13 Program Budget.
DECEMBER 13, 1988
3.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded ~y Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
following amendments to the Community Development Year 13 Program Bud,/et,
as follows:
Project
Laurel Lake Park
Handicapped Access
Laurel Lake
Recreation Area
Improvements
Current New
Bud~tet Increase Decrease Budget
$15,000.00 -0- $15,000.00 -0-
-0- $15,000.00 -0- $15,000.00
3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 4 is to authorize the Town Clerk to advertise
for bids.
4.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilwoman Larsen, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the removal of buildings or
structures, debris, fallen trees, clean drainage ditches, etc. on the premises
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owned by Margaret Ciacia, Suffolk County Tax Map designation: District 1000,
Section 053.00, Block 01.00, Lot 004.000, and also known as 446 Main Road;
Greenport, New York.
-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 5 is a trailer permit renewal.
5.-Moved by Councilwoman Larsen, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the application of Maddie Miles for renewal of her single family
trailer permit for trailer located on a private road off of the north side of
the Main Road, Mattituck, New York, which permit expires on December 22,
1988, be and hereby is renewed for a six (6) month period.
5.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 6 is to approve a bond estimate.
6.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Larsen, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves
the amount of $68,666.00 for a bond for roads and improvements in the minor
sub-division of RHR Realty Corp. at Southold, all in accordance with the
recommendation of the Southold Town Planning Board and Sidney B. Bowne
& Son Engineer.
6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 7 is to reappoint the following individuals
to the Council on Veterans Affairs.
John A. :?_~arris
Bernard /~. Heaney
John Bzbzroski
Bradley C. Conklin
Josephy Zimmer
Henry W. Drum
7.-Vote of the Town Board:
7.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Larsen, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
the following individuals to the Council on Veterans Affairs, effective January
1, 1989 through December 31, 1989:
Veterans of Foreign Wars
Catholic War Veterans, St. Agnes Post No. 703,Greenport
A.R. Grebe American Legion Post No. 1045,Fishers Island
Burton Potter American Legion Post No. 185,Greenport
Griswold-Terry-Glover American"-~_egion Post No. 803,Southold
Raymond Cleaves American Legioo__Post No. 861,Mattituck
Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Co'Qhcilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: :Number 8 is to appoint a part-time clerk typist.
8~-Moved by Councilwoman Larsen, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was
· RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Jane
Rousseau as a part-time Clerk Typist for the Planning Board office, effective
immediately, at a salary of $6.50 per hour.
8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
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SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 9 is a budget modification.
9.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED THAT THE Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
the followin9 1988 Budget modification to the General Fund - Whole Town to
cover anticipated instructor salaries, van gas, bus trips and supplies:
To: A7320.4 Joint Youth, Contractual Expenses $ 1,500.00
A7620.4 Adult Recreation, Contractual Expenses $ 500.00
From: A7020.2 Recreation Administration, Equipment $ 2,000.00
9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 10 is approval of the expenditures of the Highway
Department
10.-Moved by Councilwoman Larsen, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that pursuant to the
provisions Of Section 284 of the Highway Law,moneys levied and collected for
the repair and improvement of highways, and received from the state for the
repair and improvement of highways, shall be expended as follows: General
Repairs: The sum of $1,553,200.00 may be expended for general repairs upon
185.64 miles of town highways, including sluices, culverts and bridges having
a span of less than five feet and boardwalks or the renewals thereof; and be
it further
RESOLVED that no moneys set aside for such improvements shall be expended,
nor shall any work be undertaken on such improvements, until the County
Superintendent approves the plans, specifications and estimates for such
construction.
10.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 11 is to grant a maternity leave of absence.
Amended 4/11/89 by Resol. #1
11 .-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby 9rants Claire L,
Glew, Clerk Typist in the Office of the Board of Assessors, a maternity leave of
absence, effective March 12, 1989 through July 12, 1989.
11.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman l_arsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 12 is a resolution requesting a study.
12.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Justice Edwards,
WHEREAS, New York State Law mandated closing of the Southold Town Landfill
by 1990; and
WHEREAS, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
has recommended a regional approach to solve the municipal solid waste problem
on Long Island; and
WHEREAS, Southold Town has rejected the regional approach; and
WHEREAS, Southold Town Board members have never sat in discussions with other
Town Boards to discuss joint solutions to the municipal solid waste problems; and
WHEREAS, Southold Town hired Holzmacher, McLendon & Murrell, P.C. to Study
various systems for the Town; and
WHEREAS Holzmacher, McLendon & rvlurrell, P.C. recommended composting in the
Solid Waste Management Report of October 1986 to the Town Board; and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Board adopted composting, based on the H2M Solid
Waste Management Report, as the most economical choice for the Town; and
WHEREAS Southold Town Board prepared RFP's for vendors to bid on comiposting
systems; and
WHEREAS the bids submitted by the vendors have far e~'~:~aeded the figures
anticipated by H2M and the Town in construction and operating costs; now~
therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town of Southold enter into a contract for an economic,
feasibility study of a regional approach to the municipal solid waste problem with
either Brookhaven Town. or other neighboring towns.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: On the question I would like to, just for the record,
make a few comments. The Town has never rejected a regional approach.
The Town has met with other Towns on the East End, as well as the entire
Suffolk County, and the costs that have'been submitted, are not out of line,
with the study. Just in today's Newsday, there was an article I would like
to pass to the membersof the Town Board, telling about Easthampton study,
which we participated in, by loaning them equipment for it, and, also, !
was one of the people who evaluated the program. It was a very good program,
and I would just like to make just one other comment on it. And the report
also, found that recycling would cost considerable less than either incineration
or shiploing garbage off Long Island. Net cost of recycling, report says
is $127.00 a ton, incineration would cost between $109.00 and $200.00 a ton,
and shipping garbage of Long Island would cost $179.00 a ton, plus the know-
ledge that we would have a law suit following after we shipped it off, and
we have contributed and we are applying for a grant to do this recycling.
The Town has not been inactive. George.
COU~IClLMAN PENNY: I never suggested that, Frank, but I'm suggesting
is to due to operating costs based upon H2M study of 10/86, the cost of operating
the composting was supposed to be in the neighborhood of $720,000.00 per
year. The average of the costs that we have now, now come up to approximately
three million dollars per year. I'm not suggesting that composting is not
a viable alternative. I'm suggesting that we go into a joint project, or consider
the economic feasibilty of a joint project with other towns, to help bring down
the cost of-millions of dollars, which will have an impact on the taxpayers
of Southold Town. We do not have all the answers. The Town Board members
have never sat with any other Town Boards. Maybe Frank has, but I've
been a member of this Town Board for almost three years. I've never been
invited, asked to participate in, or attended, or seen anybody invited here
to have any of these meetings. Long before composting was accepted by
the Town of Southold, I did hear from neighboring towns, that, yes, Frank
had met with them~ and that a decision had been madep many, many, months
in advance of the Town Board's decision that the Town was going into composting.
I don't think that those where any discussions, because they did not have
the full Town Board partic ip~tion in any of those~ Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other comments? Yes, Raymond.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: This is the first time l've had a chance to read this
in front of me, but it says here that the cost of recycling would be $107.00
a ton. I haven't done any research on this~ but that's just for recycling.
That's not the complete product. That's just pulling out this, that and the
other thing. Incineration will cost between $195.00 and $209.00 a ton. Shipping
the garbage off Long Island will cost $179.00 a ton. Now that recycling is
$127.00 a ton, and that's just taking part of it. That's not the complete product~
as it says here in the beginning. I said that I didn't have that much time
to look at this in a few minutes. But getting back to what George, the resolution
that's on the board here, I've got to agree that we haven't really looked
into the incineration for the whole area., getting out of the area, some of
the other town, and so forth, and I think we should. Secondly, in this part
that's been brought up that the thing of shipping the garbage off of Long
Island would be very expensive, and that's the di~mma that we have on Fishers
Island. If we're going to have to ship off of Fishers and bring it to Southoldw
the price is going to be way out of line We're all set with an incinerator
over there. We've done the homework on it. We've got the engineering studies
and everything, but just because of the conservatives, the conservationists
on Fishers Island, we have to go through some long drawn process to find
out whether it's going to be cheaper to bring it over here and dump it in
Orient, and let Southold take care of it, at an extra charge to us on Fishers
Island. So,all and all, I agree with this study and looking for another outlet,
rather than composting here in Southold. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you. Maybe when you read the report you'll..
the report that's mentioned in the paper, you'll think different, and, yes
we did d~--~a study on incineration many years ago, and a vast program between
all of the towns on the East End, and it was rejected.
JUSTICE EDWARDS: How many years ago?
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Quite a few years ago.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: It was ten years ago, Judge. Ten year ago. I'm sure
that that's part of the...
JUSTICE EDWARDS: When we first came out with the composter, the prices
-.were thrown at us between five and six million, and now they're almost double
that.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other comments?
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COUNCILWOMAN LARSEN: Yes, Frank, I'd like to make one. I wasn't :~.member
of this Town Board when our composting was suggested. My feelings with
composting was, as a member of the community, I know because I have looked
into it only as a concerned citizen at that time, who became a future candidate.
But, and many people did, and I feel that the consensus with the Town is
that composting will go. I'm not always able, in fact I can't travel to attend
the many seminars, conferences, viewing of composting, that some members
of the Town Board have been able to do, but I have always been informed
of everything that has occurred at these conferences. I have always been
given up to date information of the viablility of composting systems thoughout
the United States. And every time these reports come back, we see more
and more progress being made on our hazardous waste problems, in not only
our Town, but in the whole United States. The technologies are there. They
have to be developed, and as Councilwoman Cochran said tonight, that it's
up to the elected officials to take the initiative to insure a healther, safer
future for the generations to come. I'm not totally familiar with the solid
disposal problems on Fisher Island. I know that they deal with a very small
population in the winter, probably, Judge correct me if I'm wrong, maybe
400 people there on the island.
JUDGE EDWARDS: Three hundred.
COUNCILWOMAN LARSEN: Three hundred people, and in the summer two
thousand?
JUSTICE EDWARDS: Five thousand.
COUNCILWOMAN LARSEN: Five thousand. I do know that they are luckily
one of the few places, probably in the State of New York, that are allowed
to burn in a pit. In a massive pit, that's a hole in the ground, that everything
in the world is thrown into, including tires, paint, and these emissions are
pouring forth. In fact, recently, the State of Connecticut has complained.
We have listened to the complaints of Fishers Island. They want to go, perhaps
towards massive incineration in Brookhaven. They can look into that if they'd
like. It's a free country. They can look at it. But the Town of Southold
is prepared to handle the municipal solid waste, not only through Fishers
Island, but through the rest of the Town, through composting. We have
a very important meeting coming up the 22nd, and we will be looking into
it even further. I think you can have faith in your elected officials, that
we're not steering you down the wrong course on this. If we were, the
member on this Board would join with Councilman Penny and Councilman Edwards
in our concerns, but it is being investigated, and very thoroughly. Thank
you, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Any other comment?
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: Yes, I would like to make a comment. I've traveled
to every possible place that I can, that Frank hears of, or we set up. I've
attended almost every conference that I can in relation to the solid waste
problem. I made the decision to go with composting. I felt comfortable with
it, not only finiancially, but environmentally. I think the Town Board has
done a great deal of work and research. The time frame in requesting a
study of this sort at this time, it's like the twelfth hour. I wish this had
been proposed two years ago. I think that we have to continue to move
in the direction that we're ~oving. That we are moving in the right direction.
I do support a regional type recycling facility. I think the County, also,
has a responsibility in this, but as far as I'm concerned I think we have
to move ahead at this point.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Jean. Any other comment?
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: I've been kind of involved with this whole business
of solid waste disposal, since we initiated it as Citizen's A'~;visory Committee,
the solid waste management, back in '8I, 82. I've been following it very closely.
At that time the Town was looking into some sort of resource recovery program,
which rather fizzled out, and I do have to give credit to Frank for really
doing an awful lot.of homework, and going around to different landfills and
towns, and reading up and investigating different methods of disposing of
our waste, and when he ~:ame up with the idea of a composting system, it
· just seems to me to be the most environmentally feasibly method of a small
town to dispose of its waste with a good recycling program that should be
done basically on a regional basis, because it just make economical sense.
So I really do support this composting ~stem. We've seen that it works,
even on the most primitive basis, and I think actually even though the cost
have gone up on composting, they have gone up just as much on incineration,
if not more, and I think this way is the most economical and viable method
to do. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: George?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: In regard to the question about why a study wasn't
done, why this wasn't brought up two years, was it was two years ago we
had this study by H2M that recommended this, and the composting came up
with the lowest figures at that time, and it looked very good. Like I said
it was $720,000.00 per year. The timing of this resolution is due to the
fact that we just got the estimates in, the results of the bids, and without
devulging the prices, these figures came in in November, where we found
out they were four times higher than were earlier estimated. I'm not suggesting
that the Town abort the process, or abort composting as we've studied it
so far. What I'm asking for is a second opinion. If you went to somebody
and you had gotten an estimate on your car, and the guy told you it's going
to cost you $400.00, and you said, fine, go ahead and fix it, and you took
it into the-man, and the day before he did the work, he said, I'm sorry,
now it's going to cost you $1,600.00. As a taxpayer, as a person that's
responsible for your own finances, what would you do? I would seek a second
opinion, and that is what I'm asking for. Composting may be the best and
most viable alternative, but why not try to co-venture with Riverhead. Why
not try to co-venture with Easthampton. Why not try to co-venture with
Southampton. The impact of this is going to reduce the cost to the taxpayers
of both towns, and that is what I'm asking for. An economic feasibility study
on a joint project. It could be composting. I have no problem with composting,
but it!s a proven fact economically that is we were to build the same plant
as Riverhead to handle the same products, the ~a'me materials and the same
process side by side and duplicate both our efforts, it would be far cheaper
for us to find a single site and build one plant that would handle both of
us, and that's the basic pure economics of it, and that is what I'm trying
to address with this resolution. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: I might just add, we are co-venturing with the five
east end towns. Judy?
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards. Nos:
Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva, Councilwoman Cochran Supervisor
Murphy. '
This resolution was declared LOST.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 13 is to authorize the Town Clerk to advertise
for bids.
13.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for an emergency generator
for the Landfill.
13.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 14 is to adopt 1989 Community Development
Budget in fiscal year 15.
14.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Larsen, it was
RESOLVED that the TOwn Board of the Town of Southold hereby adopts the
followincj-~989 Community Development Budcjet (Fiscal Year 15):
Home Improvement Program
Rehabilitation of Private Propert $ 78,500.00
Hobart Road Drainage Project
Water and Sewer Facilities
'-"'~28,000. O0
North Fork Housing Alliance Programs
Special Activities by a SUbrecipient 15,000.00
Rental Rehablilitation Program
Rehabilitation Subsidy 22,500.00
Administration ..:. 15,000.00
Total Budget $159,000.00
· .AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that Supervisor Francis J. Murphy be and
he hereby is authorized and directed to execute the Project Description for
the 1989 Community Development Budget (Fiscal Year 15).
14.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution' was declared duly ADOPTED.
DECEMBER 13, 1988
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 15 is to set a meeting ordered that the Town
Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York w shall meet at the
Southold Town Hall, at Southold in said Town on the 10th day of January, 1989,
at 8:00 o'clock in the afternoon of that day, for the purpose of considering the
said petition and hearing all persons interested in the subject thereof concerning
the same. And this is on the street improvement on West Creek Estates. I offer
that resolution.
15.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilman Penny,
In the Matter of the petition of the owners of more than one-half of the real
property frontincj on Glen Road and Shepard Drive for the improvements of said
roads. Order for Meetincj to Condider Petition for Street Improvements.
WHEREAS, a written petition, dated July 26, 1988, was heretofore duly
filed with this board pursuant to Section 200 of the Town Law of the State of
New York for the improvement of highways in said town known as Glen Road
and Shepard Drive, in the Town of Southold, and shown and designated on a
certain map entitled "West Creek Estates", surveyed by Otto W. Van Tuyl,
Greenport, New York, and filed in the Office of the Clerk of the County of
Suffolk on August 19, 1963 as map munber 3848, -and this day filed in the
Office of the Southold Town Clerks by the permanent pavement of such portion
thereof as may be necessary, and the construction of such curbs, gutters,
catch basins and drainage facilities as may be necessary; and whereas it duly
?L-~.~appears that such petition has been duly signed by the owners of real
property owning at least one-half of the entire frontage or bounds on both
sides of said highway; and whereas it duly appears that such petition was also
duly signed by resident owners owning not less than one-half of the frontage
owned by resident owners residing in or along such highway; and whereas
such petition was duly acknowledged or proved by all the signers thereof in
the same manner as a deed to be recorded; and whereas the maximum amount
proposed to be expended for the improvement of said highways as stated in
the petition is the sum of Forty Thousand Dollars ($40,000.00), it is pursuant
to the provisions of said Section 200 of the Town Law of the State of New York r
hereby
ORDERED that the Town Board of the Town of Southoldr Suffolk County,
New York shall meet at the Southold Town Hallt at Southold in said Town on
the 10th day of January, 1989 at 8;00 o'clock in the afternoon of that day, for
the purpose of considering the said petition and hearing all persons interested
in the subject thereof concerning the same.
15.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsenr Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochranr Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 16 is to authorize a purchase of seed clams.
16.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Larsen~ it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to place an order for 800,000 hard clams
(size 3.8 to 4.4 mm), at $12.00 per 1000, with the Clam Farm~ Fishers Island,
New York, for delivery in June~ 1989.
16.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen~ Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards~ Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 17 is to authorize a purchase in the '89 budget.
17.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
purchase of the following items from Central Data Processincj Budcjet for 1989
(A1680.2) for the Assessors office:
List
Model # Description Price OSW*
8580-111 PS/2 Model 80 20 .~IHZ
2NB, Fixed 115M $8,995.00 $25.0~.~-
8514-001 IBM PS/2 Color Display
8514, 11.1 x 8~3 display $1,620.00 $ 9.00
Contract
Price Total
$5,666.00 $5,691.00
$ 976.00 $ 985.00
5871-1419 IBM DOS 4.0 Program Pkg.$ 150.00 $ 105.00 $ 105.00
17.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 18 is a resolution approving the engineering
services for a new truck scale.
18.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the
proposal of Holzmacher, McLendon & Murrell, P.C., for Encjineerincj Services
for Installation of a Truck Scale at the Landfill Site, at $8,500.00 for Design
Services, and a per diem basis with an upset budget of $3,500.00 for Construc-
tion Services.
18.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Penny, Supervisor Murphy. Nos: Justice Edwards.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 19 is to advertise for bids for a new scale.
19.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes
and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the construction of a Truck
Scale at the Landfill Site, all in accordance with the plans and specifications--
to be prepared by Holzmacher, McLendon & Murrell, P.C.
19.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 20 is a withdrawal of the Town from the Empire
Plan.
20.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran,
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold has participated in the State Health Insurance
Plan, commonly referred to as the Empire Plan, to provide medical coverage
to employees of the Town of Southold; and
WHEREAS, the cost of participation in said plan has steadily increased and is
no longer considered reasonable; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has determined as of 'April I, 1989 the Town will
provide a self-insurance plan for medical coverage to the employees of the Town
of Southold, at least equal to the benefits provided under the Empire Plan; and
WHEREAS, Part 73.10 of the Rules and Regulations of the Department of Civil
Service requires at least ninety (90) days notice of intention to withdraw be
given to the President of the Civil Service Commission and to the Town's covered
employees and retired employees:
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Town of Southold hereby withdraws
from the Empire Plan, effective March 31, 1989; and be it further
RESOLVED that a copy of this resolution be sent to the President of the Civil
Service Commission and to all covered and qualified retired employees which
shall serve as notice of withdrawal from the State Health Insurance Plan.
20.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 21 is to execute a maintenance agreement.
21.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Francis J. Murphy to execute a maintenance acjreement for
Accountincj Department's copy machine with Loncj Island Business Product~., at
a cost of $495.00, effective January I. 1989, subject to the approval of Town
Attorney Schondebare.
21.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution· was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 23 is resolve that the Town Board of the Town
of Southold hereby approves and eStablishes a Step System for Provisional
empIo~,ee-~, effective January -1, 1989
23.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilwoman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold~hereby approves and
establishes a Step System for Provisional empires, effeCt'ye January 1, 1989.
23.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MUP, PHY:..Number 24 is to authorize a refund.
2~.rMoved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Larsen, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes a
refund of $150.00 to John Chobor, which sum represents a filing fee for an
application to the Board of Appeals, which application Was withdrawn by the
applicant.
DECEMBER 13, 1988
24.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsenr Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran~ Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 25 is a submission to the Planning Board.
25.-Moved by Councilwoman Cochran, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of $outhold hereby submits to
the $outhold Town Planning Board for its review and approvalr a four (4) lot
minor subdivision on Town owned property at Rachel's Road, Mattituck (SCTM
# 1000-108-04-7.2); which project is part of the Town of $outhold Affordable
Housing Program.
25.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman O!iva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 26 is to appoint a temporary clerk-typist.
26.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilman Cochran, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Laura
Obenauer as a Clerk Typist in the Assessors Office~ for a 90-day period, effective
December 15, 1988 to March 15, 1989w at a salary of $16,~3:~46 per annum.
26.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsenw Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochranw Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Number 27 is a resolution to approve the decision on
the deisciplinery action. I offer that resolution.
27.-Moved by Supervisor Murphy, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva,
Determination in the Matter of the Disciplinary Proceedings against Southold
Town Police Officer, John E. Clark, under Section 155 of the Town Law.
WHEREAS, a complaint was filed against Police Officer John E. Clark with
the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the 9th day of May, 1988, for an
incident that occurred on the 23rd day of March, 1988~ and
WHEREAS~ based on a stipulation and agreement approved by both the
Town Board and Jonh E. Clark, the said John E. Clerk entered a plea of guilty
to all charges contained in said complaint, and after a hearing at which witnesses
were called on behalf of John E. Clark, and his attorney having been present
and made his presentation;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town
of Southold, pursuant to the stipulation and agreement does hereby determine
that the approporiate disciplinary action against John E. Clerk shall be the loss
of the thirty-four (34) ordinary accrued sick days which were used by John
E. Clerk immediately following the incident of March 23, 1988; and be it further
RESOLVED that said John E. Clark continue in a program desinged to
overcome his personal problems, and a report of the progress in said program
be provided to the Town Board every six (6) months for one (1) year from
the date hereof; and be it further
RESOLVED that a copy of this determination be filed~ and a copy be for-
warded to said John E. Clark, and his attorney.
27.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: That's the end of our resolutions. At this time, I'd
like to ask the Town Board~ if they've anything further to comment on. Ruth?
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: Just like to wish everybody a Merry Christmas, and
I'd also like to thank Councilwoman Cochran for the beautiful job she did in
decorating the Town Hall. It really looks lovely, and I'd also say, I forgot to
mention it before, that Frank really did a super job, I thogght, down at the
conferencer and people were really interested, because th~ were being shown
something, by side taken by _~im McMahon, how one town is addressing some
of its problems with hazardous waste. It was very well done, Frank.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Ruth. George?
COUNCILMAN PE~NY: I'll just wish everyone a Merry Christmas. I'll be away
for the Christmas holidays. I'II be in Maryland, and missing the next meeting,
so Merry Christmas everybody. See you next year.
COUNCILWOMAN COCHRAN: I'd 'like td Wish everybody a Happy Holiday, and,
also, our front hall is decorated and tomorrow there's going to be a receptacle
put out there, and we hope that members of the community, and members of
the staff will donate a small gift. We'd like to collect some toys for the children
that CAST shares with at Christmastime, and we would like new toys. It doesn't
have to be expensive, but we feel its important to make every child happy at
Christmastime. So enjoy, and have a safe, healthy, happy holiday.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Ellen?
COUNCILWOMAN LARSEN, Yes, first I'd like to thank you for your very nice
councilwoman's report on the garbage, and the ongoing .... reports
we recve on the waste situation. I want to congratuale Sergeant Ship.-I
also, which I didnJt report in my Councilman's report, but I had taken the time
while the three councilpeople were away. Somebody has to hold down the fort
while they're traveling, getting all this information. And I did meet with some
of the people that were concerned with the Master Plan, and did meet with some
of the farmers. I've come up with a proposal which I will be discussing with
the Town Attorney, and any interested Councilperson, that I think can give
the farmers who have farmed the land,relief, while still protecting our own rural
zoning plan. One of nice things about Town Hall, too, is that whenever someone
is having a-baby, whether it's a spouse's wife or husband, if they're a Town
employer, we give them a shower, and Claire Glew, who just granted maternity
leave to tonight, did have a shower, that many of us attended, and I would
just like to wish Clair and her husband best of luck with their baby. And
when you all get your tax bills, please realize that the Town of Southold held
their tax increase to 8.764% for the tax increase, so our tax per $1,000.00 ,
our tax base was held. Thecounty tax base went up, perhaps your school taxes
went up, but your Town Board held the tax rate for you. Thank you and Merry
Christmas.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Ellen. Ray?
JUDGE EDWARDS: Merry Christmas from myself, and my constituents on Fishers
Island. Being as I have a half dozen candy canes out in my car, and they'll
be hanging on the tree tomorrow.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Okay. I, also, would like extend the best for the holiday
season to everyone out there, ard a couple of other comments. Again, Jean,
thanks for doing a great job at decorating, and the CAST Christmas party is
on Thursday at 5:30. Anyone who can be here on Friday at 12:15 will be a
first interview on composting, and also, on Thursday at 1:00 P.M., the Mattituck
Seniors have their big Christmas play, and everyone is invited, public and the
Town Board to attend. It really is a very good program. At this time I would
like to ask anyone in the audience, if they would like to address the Town Board.
Anyone on the left? (No response.) Anyone in the middle? Yes, Martin?
MARTIN SIDOR: Good evening. 1'11 be short. Martin Sidor. This has to do
with the Water Committee, and we've come full cycle. We've made a year, and
here we are again. First time we met I was involved, it was stated to me because
of misunderstanding. Lies. This time I come before you because of a discrepancy
or difference, my feeling in the game plan. In the beginning, with my appointment
on the Water Committee, I looked for a realistic solution to be placed in a realistic
setting. I'm afraid this Committee does not achieve this goal. It has come up
with a plan, but a model plan, not necessarily a workable one. Our committee
has proposed and discussed this one particular plan in front of you. No other
plans were entered. To be entered and stated as such is not to torpedo the
original plan, and that was a quote. I have yet to see a study that has shown
that this particular answer, why this particular answer, is the one and only.
The key play, and the one that I think has the most question marks around
it, would be the transfer of development rights, and what I read on these TDR's
it always~-=omes down to great skill and expertise on the Town's part. You can't,
or one can not guarantee me from the Town, that with this program, that the
equity in one's land within this watershed, will not be changed. This Town
has had no practical working experience with the transfe~;<Jevelopment rights
on such a grand scale. They also state, no matter what 'i~read, they need a
governing, this concept needs a governing body to insure its marl~et:ino'place.
This proposal does not propose any such body. It seems to bea~t the descretion
of the land owner, and whatever market is out there. Also the economic instability
brings the concept of the TDR's to failure, and it takes the community as a
whole to promote this, and not just the landowners within this specific district.
The TDR's, also brings back what I would feel people on a Sunday afternoon
in the fall coming down Oregon Road, how many of them stop to say what a
beautiful area, and who owns this and who owns that, and what particular crops
are raised, and things of that nature. With this program, with this plan, what
comes on Oregon Road would be to the rtbrth., a receiving zone, and to the south
would be a cluster zone. I think the character in Southold, for which Oregon
6 DECEMBER 13, 1988
has definitely has given Southold, will be changed dramatically. The conclus|on
is that transfer of development rights, my conclusion, is that it's easy to transfer
out of any area, but very difficult to transfer into an area, and I think that
an example would be, a transfer right now, would be Norris farm and Wanet
farm. There's opposition already on the Wanet farm, and with this kind of a
plan, I think the opposition would be that much more. I believe this transfer
of development rights is not only a transfer of development, but a transfer of
responsibility. I've stated at an earlier meeting on this committee, there was
a problem faced by all the people of Southold Town, in that all should help in
solution. What the TDR's do is place the problem squarely on the shoulders
of a select few. There's been no plan, education has been discussed. There
has nothing that goes out, out of this plan, as to state to these people where
the water problems are, as far as, I think Mr. Gremler stated that this morning,
as far as rain stats on irrigation, and things of that nature. Also, the question
of storage and pesticides has not been
farmers, but for the landscapers, and
been brought up, but there's been no
has a place within this district. Their
responsible will transfer from Lebonon
in this catagory. The issue is water,
going about it, has been the problem.
addressed officially, not only for the
the businesses with in the zone. It has
answers. The problem now, Lebonon
time is,maybe, coming to an end. The
to the farmer, and we will be placedmore
but I think the solution, or the idea of
i'H just bring one point before you,
the American dream is to own their own homer and for the American farmer is
to own and work their own land, and I do feel that with what's in front of us
here, we'll put the few farmers left at a disadvantage. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MURPHY: Thank you, Martin. Anyone else like to address the
Town Board? (No response.) If not, I would like to close the meeting, and thank
everyone for coming out tonight. You were very brave souls, and have a nice
holiday. Thank you.
Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
.RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 8:50 P.M.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Larsen, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Penny, Councilwoman Cochran, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Murphy.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Judith T. Terry
Southold Town Clerk