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PUBLIC MEETING
outhold Town Clerk
MINUTES
May 3, 2021
6:00 p.m.
Present were: James H. Rich III, Vice-Chairman
Pierce Rafferty, Member
Martin Sidor, Member
Heather..Lanza, Planning.Director
Mark Terry, Assistant Planning Director
Brian Cummings, Planner
Jessica Michaelis, Office Assistant
Vice-Chairman Rich: Good Evening and welcome to the scheduled Public Meeting for
Monday, May 3, 2021 for the Southold Town Planning Board. This meeting is public. The
Planning Board may add or remove applications from the Agenda upon its discretion, without
-further notice. Applications may not be heard.in the order they appear on this agenda.
This public meeting will be held virtually via the Zoom online platform. Pursuant to Executive
Order 202.1 of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo in-person access by the public will not be
permitted.
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Vice-Chairman Rich: The first order of business is to set Monday, June 7, 2021 at 6:00
p.m. as the time for the next regular Planning Board Meeting.
Pierce Rafferty: I make a motion.
Martin Sidor: Second.
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Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Marty. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
SUBDIVISIONS ,
EXTENSION OF TIME TO RENDER A FINAL PLAT DETERMINATION:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Koehler Family Limited Partnership - This proposal is a
Clustered Standard Subdivision of a 14.94 acre parcel into seven lots where Lot 1
equals 0.80 acres; Lot 2 equals 0.90 acres inclusive of 0.08 acres of unbuildable lands;
Lot 3 equals 1.11 acres inclusive of 0.14 acres of unbuildable lands and .07 acres of
easement area; Lot 4 equals 0.70 acres; Lot 5 equals 0.66 acres; Lot 6 equals 0.70
acres; Lot 7 equals 9.51 acres inclusive of 8.72 acre area of Open Space and a .05 right
of way easement; located in the R-80 Zoning District. The property is located'at 4180
New Suffolk Avenue, on the corner of Marratooka Road and New Suffolk Avenue, in
Mattituck. SCTM#1000-115-10-1
Pierce Rafferty:
WHEREAS, The applicant proposes a Clustered Standard Subdivision of a 14.94 acre
parcel into seven lots where Lot 1 equals 0.80 acres; Lot 2 equals 0.90 acres inclusive
of 0.08 acres of unbuildable lands; Lot 3 equals 1.11 acres inclusive of 0.14 acres of
unbuildable lands and .07 acres of easement area; Lot'4 equals 0.70 acres; Lot 5
equals 0.66 acres; Lot 6 equals 0.70 acres; Lot 7 equals 9.51 acres inclusive of 8.72
acre area of Open Space and a .05 right of way easement; located in the R-80 Zoning
District; and
WHEREAS, on August 15, 2017 the Southold Town Planning Board granted Conditional
Preliminary Plat Approval upon the map entitled "Preliminary Plat Koehler Family
Limited Partnership", dated June 30, 2014 and last revised April 15, 2017, prepared by
Kenneth M. Woychuk Land Surveying, PLLC; and
WHEREAS, on September 14, 2020 the Planning Board found the Final Plat Application
complete; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board held a public hearing on Monday,
January 11, 2021 and closed the hearing on February 8, 2021 on the map entitled
Clustered Final Plat Prepared for Koehler Family Limited Partnership", dated June 30,
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2014 and last revised July 12, 2019, prepared by Kenneth M. Woychuk Land Surveying,
PLLC.
WHEREAS, due to the COVID-19 Pandemic and Town of Southold State of Emergency
in response to the pandemic, the 62-day timeframe expired on April 11, 2021, and
WHEREAS, Southold Planning Board and the applicant have mutually agreed to
retroactively extend the timeframe to render a Final Plat determination from April 11,
2021 to July 12, 2021; therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the timeframe to render a decision on the Final Plat is hereby mutually
extended from April 11, 2021 to July 12, 2021.
Martin Sidor: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT CLASSIFICATION
CORRECTION:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Lebkuecher Standard Subdivision —This proposal is for a
Standard Subdivision of a 35.79-acre parcel into two lots, where Lot 1 is 3.66 acres with
an existing residential structure and Lot 2 is 32.13 acres with greenhouses in active
farm use, in the R-80 & HB Zoning Districts, located at 935 Franklinville Rd, Laurel. The
access to the existing home is located at 3475 Aldrich Lane, Laurel. SCTM#1000-125.-
2-2.2
Martin Sidor:
WHEREAS, this proposal is-for a Standard Subdivision of a 35.79-acre parcel into two
lots, where Lot 1 is 3.66 acres with an existing residential structure and Lot 2 is 32.13
acres with greenhouses in active farm use, in the R-80 and HB Zoning Districts. Lot 1
has an existing house with driveway access via an easement over the adjacent parcel,
SCTM#1000:125.-2-1.14, created in 2003; and
WHEREAS, on October 5, 2020, the Planning Board granted Conditional Sketch Plan
Approval on the application; and
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WHEREAS, on October 21, 2020, the applicant's agent submitted an incomplete
Preliminary Plat application; and
WHEREAS, on March 1, 2021, the applicant's agent submitted the remaining items for
the Preliminary Plat Application; and
WHEREAS, at their work session on March 22, 2021, the Planning Board found the
Preliminary Plat application complete and classified the action as Unlisted pursuant to
State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617; and
WHEREAS, upon further review, the Planning Board has found that the subject property
is located within an Agricultural District and the action meets the Type I Action threshold
for agricultural land in an Agricultural District being converted to a non-agricultural use;
be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board has determined that this proposed
action is a Type I Action under SEQRA as described above.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
SITE `PLAPPl
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STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT CLASSIFICATION/ SET
HEARING:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Premium Wine Group Amended 3 —This amended site plan is
for the construction of a 1,860 sq. ft. building for office and storage that will connect two
existing buildings on site; and, the construction of a 4,402 sq. ft. detached accessory
storage building with loading dock and the construction of twelve land banked parking
stalls where there exists two buildings totaling 20,585 sq. ft. on a 3.563-acre parcel in
the LB Zone, Mattituck. SCTM#1000-121-6-1
Pierce Rafferty:
WHEREAS, this amended site plan is for the construction of a 1,860 sq. ft. building for
office and storage that will connect two existing buildings on site; and,.the construction
of a 4,402 sq. ft. detached accessory storage building with loading dock and the
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construction of twelve land banked parking stalls where there exists two buildings.
totaling 20,585 sq. ft. on a 3.6-acre parcel in the LB Zone, Mattituck; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to State Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617, has determined that the proposed
action is an Unlisted Action as it does not meet any of the thresholds of a Type I Action,
nor does it meet any of the criteria on the Type II list of actions; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board has determined that this proposed
action is an Unlisted Action under SEQRA as described above;
Martin Sidor: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
Pierce Rafferty: And be it further
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board sets Monday, June 7, 2021 at
6:01 p.m. for a Public Hearing regarding the Site Plan entitled "Additions and
Renovations to Premium Wine Group" prepared by Nancy L. Steelman, R. A., dated
April 8, 2021..
Martin Sidor: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
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STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT DETERMINATION:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Olde Colonial Place LLC—This Site Plan is for the proposed
construction of a 4,500 sq. ft. building to consist of four (4) retail units with full basement
for storage and twenty-four parking stalls on 0.5 acres in the HB Zoning District. The
property is located at 615 Pike Street, Mattituck. SCTM#1000-140-2-21
Martin Sidor:
WHEREAS, this Site Plan is for the proposed construction of a 4,500 sq. ft. building to
consist of four (4) retail units, no basement, and twenty-four parking stalls on 0.5 acres
in the HB Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, on October 5, 2020, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to State
Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617, determined that the
proposed action was an Unlisted Action as it does not meet any of the thresholds of a
Type I Action, nor does it meet any of the criteria on the Type II list of actions; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Board performed a coordinated review of this Unlisted Action
pursuant to 6 NYCRR Part 617, Section 617.7 of the State Environmental Quality
Review Act; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby declares Lead Agency
status for the SEQRA review of this Unlisted Action;
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
Martin Sidor: And be it further
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, as Lead Agency pursuant to
SEQRA, hereby makes a determination of non-significance for the proposed action and
grants a Negative Declaration.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
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Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
APPROVAL EXTENSION:
Vice-Chairman Rich: East End Tick & Mosquito Pest Control -This Site Plan is for
the proposed conversion of an existing building to a single family dwelling with an
attached business office with six (6) parking stalls on 0.25 acres in the Limited Business
(LB) Zoning District. The property is located at 36570 Route 25, ±420' s/w/o of the
corner of Skunk Lane & State Route 25, Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-97-3-2
Pierce Rafferty:
WHEREAS, this Site Plan Application is for the proposed conversion of an existing
building to a single family dwelling with an attached business office with six (6) parking
stalls on 0.25 acres in the Limited Business (LB) Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, on January 8, 2018, the Planning Board granted approval with conditions,
including one to be met prior to the Chairman endorsing the site plan, to the Site Plan
shown on the survey for SCTM#1000-97.-3-2, prepared by John T. Metzger, LLS, dated
November 1, 2012 and last revised March 1, 2017; and
WHEREAS, on August 22, 2019, the applicant obtained Highway Work Permit
#20191078547 from the New York State Department of Transportation (NYSDOT) as
required by condition of approval; and
WHEREAS, on August 22, 2019, the applicant submitted a letter requesting an
Extension of Site Plan Approval and provided reasoning that obtaining the Highway
Work Permit from the NYSDOT took longer than anticipated; and
WHEREAS, at a Work Session held on September 9, 2019, the Planning Board
reviewed the application and determined that the expired Site Plan was in compliance
with current rules and regulations and granted an extension of eighteen months to
March 9, 2021; and
WHEREAS, on March 9, 2021, the site plan approval extension expired; and
WHEREAS, the applicant submitted a letter requesting an Extension of Site Plan
Approval and provided reasoning as detailed in the May 3, 2021 staff report; and
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WHEREAS, ata Work Session held on May 3, 2021, the Planning Board reviewed the
application and determined that the expired Site Plan was in compliance with current
rules and regulations and granted an extension of eighteen months to September 5,
2022; therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grants an Extension of Site Plan
Approval, with one condition, for eighteen (18) months from March 9, 2021 to
September 5, 2022 to the Site Plan shown on the survey for SCTM#1000-97.-3-2,
prepared by John T. Metzger, LLS, dated November 1, 2012 and last revised March 1,
2017.
Condition:
Vehicles and/or trailers are not permitted to be used as additional display or
mobile signage on site. All vehicles displaying company logos and information
must be parked in the rear of the building when on site. The purpose of this
condition is to mitigate impacts to the State Route 25 Scenic Byway.
Martin Sidor: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Martin. Any discussion?All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
AMEND CONDITIONAL APPROVAL RESOLUTION:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Heritage at Cutchonue Amended (aka Harvest Pointe) —This
amended site plan proposes to change eight of the approved units from the B2 unit
design.(livable floor area 1,599 sq. ft.) to a revised C unit design (livable floor area
1,999 sq. ft.). The livable floor area will increase by a total of 3,200 sq. ft. for the overall
site. The property is located at 75 Schoolhouse Road, Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-102-1-
33.3
Martin Sidor:
WHEREAS, on March 8, 2021, an amended Site Plan approval with three (3) conditions
was issued for this Residential Site Plan that includes the development of 124 detached
and attached dwellings and associated amenities and infrastructure; and
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WHEREAS, the first condition incorrectly required a use certification to be obtained from
the Chief Building Inspector prior to the issuance of a building permit as it is not required
for this application; therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board amends the conditions as listed
below, to the amended site plan entitled "Overall Unit Layout Harvest Pointe" (aka The
Heritage at Cutchogue) prepared by Gregory David Peterman, L.S., dated November
12, 2020.
Sheet 1 of 1 — Overall Unit Layout dated 11/12/20
Floor Plan — Fescue (Revised C Model Type) stamped received by PB 1/5/21
Conditions:
1) Dri0F to endorsement of site plan, ebtain a use nertifk;atwnn from the Ghiof
Building InspeGteF as required by Town Gede-.
2) This amended site plan addresses only the increase in total livable floor area by
3,200 square feet for the overall site in the form of an additional 400 sq. ft. within
each of eight units (unit#s 31, 32, 35, 36, 39, 40, 45, 46). All other conditions,
rules and regulations are subject to the original site plan approval by the
Planning Board in their resolution dated August 14, 2017 for the residential site
plan entitled "Harvest Pointe at Cutchogue" (aka The Heritage at Cutchogue)
prepared by VHB Engineering, Surveying and Landscape Architecture, P.C.,
dated July 10, 2015, and last revised July 28, 2017, and all associated and
subsequent related approvals not specifically altered in this application;
3) The total maximum livable floor area for all residential units on the Property shall
not exceed 222,276 square feet. "Livable floor area,"for the purposes of this
condition, is defined as all spaces within the exterior walls of a dwelling unit, but
shall not include community facilities, garages, breezeways, unheated porches,
cellars, heater rooms, and approved basements having a window area of less
than 10% of the square foot area of the room.
This condition replaces on-going conditions # 10 and 11, in the original site plan
approval by the Planning Board in their resolution dated August 14, 2017.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion?All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
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Motion carries.
HEARINGS�
Vice-Chairman Rich: 6:01 p.m. —Schreiber Minor Subdivision —This proposal is to
amend the covenants from this four-lot subdivision approved in 2004. The amendments
clarify the ownership and maintenance responsibilities for the private road that will
access three lots from Oregon Road. The road has not yet been constructed, nor have
the three lots been developed. The property is located on the north side of Oregon
Road, west of Alvah's Lane in Mattituck in the R-80 zoning district. SCTM#1000-95-1-
4.2 through 4.4, and 1000-82-2-1 & 2.
Vice-Chairman Rich: I'm going to ask anyone who would like to address the Board on
this project, please raise your hand and when it's your turn to speak, please state your
name and address for the record.
Heather Lanza: I have the applicant's agent, Pat Moore.
Pat Moore: Hi, Thank you very much for brining me in. Yes, the description is pretty
accurate. This is an existing subdivision that was approved back in 2004 and what we
discovered is that the covenants and the road maintenance agreement that were filed in
2004 were somewhat inadequate for the proper use and maintenance of the road so,
with the assistance of the Planning Board and Planning Staff, we are requesting to
amend the covenants to include proper maintenance of the road and the responsibility
of that maintenance, that would be with the three lots that are using the road. So it's
pretty straightforward, it's just a matter of amending the covenants and the hearing is in
anticipation of that. Thank you for the map, so you can see that Lots' 1, 2, and 3 have
exclusive use of the road. The road is owned by Lot 3, 1 believe. Ohl Pardon me; Lot 1
is the owner of the road and Lots 2 and 3 have use of that road. The maintenance
responsibilities are set forth in the covenants and restrictions and we are merely asking
to amend the covenants so that the maintenance and use is clearly identified and
defined, Thank you.
Vice-Chairman Rich: And as their representation, you are comfortable with these
covenants then?
Pat Moore: Yes, the covenants are much more thorough and helpful for people buying
into this subdivision to know what their responsibilities are.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Okay, does anybody from the public wish to comment on this
project?
Heather Lanza: I do not see any hands raised. We have 13 attendees, but they may be
for the other hearings.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Nobody has raised their hand, Heather?
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Heather Lanza: No.
Martin Sidor: I make a motion to close the hearing.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
Vice-Chairman Rich: 6:02 p.m. — Southold Indian Museum —This site plan is for the
proposed construction of fourteen (14) parking stalls and the addition of an ADA
compliant lift with new front entry to an existing museum on 1.12 acres in the R-80
Zoning District. The property is located at 1080 Main Bayview Road, Southold.
SCTM#1000-70-7-18
Vice-Chairman Rich: I'm going to ask anyone who would like to address the Board on
this project, please raise your hand and when it's your turn to speak, please state your
name and address for the record.
Heather Lanza: I see Lucinda Hemmock, I believe she is representing the applicant; I'll
bring her in to present the project.
Lucinda Hemmock: Hi, I'm the president of the Southold Indian Museum and these
plans were done by Anthony Portillo of AMP Architects and I think he could speak to the
need and type of lighting for the parking lot.
Heather Lanza: Anthony Portillo's here?
Lucinda Hemmock: Let's see, one of our architects should be here.
Heather Lanza: Okay, while we look, I would just like to remind all attendees that the
chat feature is for problems with the Zoom meeting. If you have comments, they will not
be collected if you use the chat feature of the meeting.
What are some other names of the architects?
Brian Cummings: Yeah, I don't see Anthony in here, he was notified.
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Lucinda Hemmock: Well, what I can tell you is that we certainly don't want to
contribute to the light pollution of the area, especially being neighbors of the Custer
Institute, and so the lighting requirements for the parking lot, I think are set by the
Zoning regulations. Is that open to any changes, because we very rarely have night
events and we would be able to control the lighting in that case?
Heather Lanza: You're not required to have any lighting that I know of, aside from
potentially some kind of emergency lighting.
Lucinda Hemmock: So if we had lighting for the parking lot and we had control over
the timing and things like that, then we could certainly coordinate with everybody in the
neighborhood.
Heather Lanza: Does the board have any questions about that?
Vice-Chairman Rich: Well how often to do have night time activity there., I mean, are
the building only open several days a week or...?
Lucinda Hemmock: Right, so we do weekends during the daytime hours and we would
occasionally have maybe a night time speaker, that would probably be during the week,
say a Wednesday or something like that and so we would pretty much never have a
conflict with the Custer events on Saturday. If we had a evening event, we would have
to plan ahead and email them and make sure that we can coordinate anything where
we can move the timing and we're fine with that.
Heather Lanza: And I'm sorry, I should have asked you to state your name, so I'm just
going to go ahead and say that was Lucinda Hemmock with the Southold Indian
Museum-for the purposes of our transcription.
Lucinda Hemmock: Alright, so I'll go on record as saying that we would be perfectly
happy to coordinate with the Custer Institute for any evening events, we've usually done
that in the past to avoid any kind of light conflict with their observatories.
Vice-Chairman Rich: The other question that I have is: Heather, can you put the Site
Plan up so Ms. Hemmock and I can look at it together? I'd like to just go back a little
further, .yes! So you see where that runs through the neighbor's barn?.It just occurred to
me that, since we're in the process of doing this Site Plan evaluation, would it be a
reasonable time to possibly, if the neighbors were agreeable, to pivot that a little bit and
get the barn on their property?
Lucinda Hemmock: Well, I can pass that on to the architect.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Well I would just think it would be good planning if you did and if
the Milford's were interested in cooperating. I mean, obviously, it would involve some
steps but I think it might clear up their deeds and yours moving forward. Just a
suggestion, it's certainly not a condition on anything moving forward.
Lucinda Hemmock: Alright, I'm making a note of it.
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Heather Lanza: We do have two people with raised hands; do you have any questions
for Ms. Hemmock before we move forward with these people?
Vice-Chairman Rich: I do not.
Heather Lanza: Did you state the hours that you're open? Maybe you already said it
and I missed it.
Lucinda Hemmock: We're open 1:30-4:30 on Sunday afternoons, and our festivals and
fundraisers are typically on Saturday morning to afternoon.
Heather Lanza: Okay, thank you. Alright, so I'll bring in the next person then. I have
Kerri Spooner. If Ms. Spooner could unmute herself.
Anne Spooner: Hi, this is actually Anne Spooner, I'm using Kerri's computer. I'm a
board member at Custer Institute and Observatory and we very much support the work
that the Indian Museum is doing and I definitely recognize the need for them to have a
parking lot there. Our largest concern has to do with the lighting considering we're an
astronomical observatory located right across the street. Since the Town isn't requiring
lighting, I was just hoping that maybe Lucinda and the Museum would consider
removing the lighting from the plans altogether? Because it would impact our dark skies,
which is crucial to our operations.
Heather Lanza: Okay, do you have anything else?
Anne Spooner: I guess, just one additional comment: that, even though we have our
standard operating hours are Saturdays from dusk until midnight, we do allow our
grounds to be used by members any day of the week and frequently our members do
come out and conduct observing, research and astrophotography and so on during any
day of the week or weekends, even when we're not formally open to the public. So it's
not just a one day a week operation.
Heather Lanza: Okay, we have another person I'll bring in, Bill Crispino, just needs to
unmute himself to speak. Mr. Crispino, if I'm saying your name right, we have brought
you in to make your comments.. There he his.
Bill Crispino: Sorry, I guess I was still muted. My name is Bill Crispino and I'm a
member of the Custer Institute and one of the astronomers over there and basically, as
a member who occasionally uses the grounds during the week I do have concerns
about potential lighting because I travel out to Nassau County to enjoy the dark skies of
Custer. I'd really be concern about excessive lighting there too. I'm mostly speaking for
many of the members of Custer too, who do use the property.
Heather Lanza: Okay, do you have anything else you'd like to say?
Bill Crispino: Well, if there's any lighting, hopefully it's going to be fully shielded. But,
like I said, I'd hate to lose the dark skies out there.
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Heather Lanza: Okay, is that all?
Bill Crispino: Yeah, I think that's all I can say at this point.
Heather Lanza: Thank you. We have four other people raising their hands. The next
person is Laura Clary. Laura, you can unmute yourself to speak.
Laura Clary: Can you hear me?
Heather Lanza: Yes.
Laura Clary: Great! I don't know if you can see me, this is pretty different now doing it
this way. Yeah, this just seems like such a kick in the face. My name is Laura Clary, my
farm is Blossom Meadow farm and I'm on South Harbor Road, so one road away. We
take extra steps to make sure that our light are not on because I'm so supportive of the
dark sky community and even Southold Park District turned off and actually cut the
electricity to their flood light at Triangle Park because they wanted to support the dark
sky community and they did that in December and here, the Southold Indian Museum,
which, they've stated they're only open on Sundays from 1:30 to 4:30, and for years
they've been operating like this and having perhaps things at night and they've been
fine with the way it is. So if Southold is not requiring lighting at the parking lot, it just, I'm
just hoping this application can be withdrawn, I mean, we're one of the few places
where you can still see the Milky Way and you know, we all have to live on this fork
together and I just think this is just such an easy conclusion that we can all make, so
that's it.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Okay, well thank you for your input.
Heather Lanza: Okay, we have...
Laura Clary: And I think that should also include solar lighting as well because that
ruins community character, so it's not only abiding by chapter what? 172 of the
exterior lighting code, but also solar lights because they just change everything. Thank
you.
Heather Lanza: Okay, now we'll be bringing in Stephen Balavia. Stephen, you can
unmute yourself and state your name please.
Stephen Balavia: Hi, this is Stephen Balavia from 380 Lupton's Point Road, Mattituck,
New York. You can hear me, I hope?
Heather Lanza: Yes.
Stephen Balavia: Okay, good. I'm also from Custer and a resident of Southold, my
concern is I think Lucinda's probably a wonderful person who will turn off lights and only
use them when she needs them, but my concern is one or two or three or five years
from now, Lucinda's no longer on the Board. Once the lights are there, it's too late, who
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knows what the next Board of the museum will be like, maybe there're not as nice as
Lucinda and maybe they won't abide by the fact that Custer needs to be dark seven
nights a week. So I would think no lights is kind of the only option because any lights
gives the possibility for them to be on for future Boards of the museum and I think that's
the issue is we don't want to open Pandora's Box with lighting in the future that we have
no control over because they've been allowed now. Once they're allowed, they're
allowed and it's hard to go back so that's my main concern is that and then if they want
to save some money, if they're only open on Sundays and want a parking lot, maybe
they can work a deal with Custer, we have a parking lot. If you want to save some
money and also be we can help each other as good neighbors to each other. So that
was my only concern is I think once you let the lights allowed in the plan, it's too late. No
matter how good the current Board is, there's the future we have to worry about. So,
that's all I had to say.
Heather Lanza: Thank you, okay, we have two more hands raised. Merina DeLuca, I'll
allow you to speak. Merina, you can unmute yourself and state your name please.
Thank you.
Merina DeLuca: Hi, my name is Meriana DeLuca, I'm a resident of East Marion and I'm
here just as a concerned citizen and also as a member of the Dark Sky Coalition. So I
would like to just second everything that Steve Balavia had said, but I would also light to
point out that Southold Town has a history of working to prevent light pollution as having
dark skies out here is something that is so important to our community character and
recently, during international dark sky week this April, which the Town participated in,
there was a great deal of public interest, a great deal of individuals coming from all over
the island. We ran an event at Custer Observatory and there were many people there
who honestly, I wouldn't have even expected to have been concerned about light
pollution and they were there and this resource and opportunity for people to learn
about the sky and learn about what's there helps to increase public awareness and it
also helps to also keep people in the mindset of"if we have these lights, we're losing a
resource that not only benefits Custer, but benefits the entire north fork as a whole" and
what Custer serves as is an opportunity for people who may not have thought about
light pollution or thought about these other issues to actually care about the night sky or
to get to see it up close and do all of these things. For the future of our town, I would' like
to second what Steve says is that right now, if the lights are allowed, the people in
charge of the Indian Museum may be really easy to work with and they may keep them
off all the time, but down the line, if people come out and they're maybe not as aware of
light pollution and maybe not as aware of the resources out here then the same
situation may not occur. At that same time, you're losing this educational opportunity for
new people to learn about what light pollution is and preventing it and why that's a good
thing. (would also light to point out that the current lighting plan is not fully, there are a
couple of better options that the applicant should be aware of: one of them would be full
cut off, or fully-shielded light fixtures, if they were going to install lights —which I would
still like to state that personally, given the Indian Museum's hours of operation, I think
that, in this particular case, given the surrounding area, it would be extremely beneficial
to not install the lights at all if Southold Town would permit that and I think that would
not only benefit this particular situation of Custer, I think it benefits the community as a
whole, as we continue to promote awareness about the dark sky, about the effects of
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light pollution on the ecology and those are some of the things that make the north fork
so important but I also think that if they were to install lights, they should require the use
of the lowest Kelvin of lighting possible, in the range of 1800 to 2200 Kelvin, and the
lighting should also not be just solar powered, it should be something that the applicant
has control over when it is on and when it is off and I think it should be very stringent
that it remain off unless there is a specific event that is going on during the night.
Otherwise, I think that it's extremely unnecessary and I think that it also just poses the
potential to really start to kind of take out this resource that is so important on the north
fork and it's something that I hope that one day that people who still come out here and
be able to see the Milky Way as I have when I was a kid and one of the places that you
learn about that is Custer and if you install a bunch of lights next to one of the oldest
observatories on Long Island, you run the risk of losing that and not introducing people
to it so I believe that is it, thank you for listening to me.
Heather Lanza: Thank you..
Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you.
Heather Lanza: We have one more hand raised, this is Mr. Cousins. You can unmute
yourself and state your name, Jason Cousins.
Jason Cousins: Hello there, can everyone see and hear me?
Heather Lanza: Yes.
Jason Cousins: Thank you for taking the time out to hear the comments from
everybody who is so concerned about the Indian Museum and what light could do. Just
let me know if I'm speaking to softly, I could raise my voice. I just don't want to blow out
everybody. Coming from the perspective of being a resident of Nassau County, but
being active in almost every astronomy club that's affiliated in the Long Island, New
Jersey and Westchester County area, I can attribute the simple comment that Custer
itself is a gem in the rough and as much as possible should be the main consideration
regarding light and use anytime of anything that happens in the area. You as the Board
hear consistent cases of zoning issues, while we only happen to hear when it's affecting
us so just note going forward that any time any light is considered on any property
anywhere, that might always be a concern for everybody. We, as a collective of human
beings on the planet and in Long Island, are under an assault everyday of continued
light pollution and an onslaught of people moving from the city to the east end and the
first thing that they do when they move out there is they go: "wow, it's dark, I'm scared.
Let me put up lights" and more and more and more lights are happening at a faster
pace as the population increases on the east end and while Southold and the towns
around do a good job of restricting lights or working with light pollution, in this instance, I
totally support every person's comment so far, where no light should be added to the
property across the street from an observatory that's been in existence since 1926,
right? And it's important that that fact,be kept as a paramount importance and in the
forefront of everybody. I'm not sure, I have met any of you out at Custer but I can tell
you that, of all the people that come to Custer, there is not one of them that steps out of
their car and is in amazement when we have them look up at the sky and say "Here's
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the Milky Way" and the reality, if you haven't been at Custer, I will tell you the same
thing that I would tell anybody who gets out of their car with respect to light pollution and
it might not be your child, it might not be your child's child, but within the third generation
of that children being born, they won't see the Milky Way, so while we can do what we
can to prevent future problems, the most important art to realize is that we are on a
planet,.we are in outer space and we should be able to always give the ability to people
to look up and be in amazement that they can still see the sky. So being from the west
end or the beginning of Long Island, and looking up and seeing seven stars in the sky
and then being able to go to Custer and seeing a multitude of stars is what it's all about
and that simple fact, that simple ability for people to feel that and walk away in awe, is
what needs to be developed, not impacted. So that's just a comment for everybody,
appreciated the comments from the North Sore Dark Alliance and I concur from a
person that's in construction and involved with codes in the city, New York and local
other jurisdictions, the temperature, if need be, need to be the lowest possible, full cut-
off lights need to be used as much as possible and the reality is that the wattage should
be as minimal as possible because just the other night when we all walked out the front
door of Custer, said "Okay, look across the street, what do you see?" and everybody
was like "Nothing, it's dark" so any light, whether it be a flashlight at one watt, will
produce a lot of illumance in a dark spot, so that's another factor to just keep in mind;
that if lights is a requirement—which it sounds like it's not from the opening statement—
that they should be the minimal wattage as possible. I concur with Steve Balavias
comment that there should be no lights because—at this point—while everybody is
amendable and working together—future considerations and future people that will be
involved with the Indian Museum might not be amendable to keeping, lights off and no
one wants to have a battle at a later date. So that being said, I think you for your time, I
thank you for the ability to provide a comment and bring the voice of other astronomy
and other people that live on Long Island to Southold and say "Thank you for the job
that you do" as Town Board members inkeeping it as nice as you do, you guys do a
great job. So it's just, I'm sure it could all be worked out, it's just bringing light to a
subject that deals with light is very difficult sometimes so thank you for your time and I
appreciate it very much.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you.
Heather Lanza: Yes. Anne Spooner is asking to speak again. Ms. Spooner, please
unmute yourself and please state your name again.
Anne Spooner: Hi, I actually have another Board member on the phone who wanted to
speak so I'm going to allow her to speak and hopefully you'll be able to hear her. Go
ahead Barbara.
Barbara Lebkuecher: Hi, I'm Barbara Lebkuecher, I'm the treasurer of Custer, I've
been the treasurer for—this is my 40th year. I just wanted to add to the previous
speaker, (inaudible) for everything he said. I don't want to be a mile a minute here,
there's.not much more I could add to what he said but I wholly support what he was
saying to preserve Custer's darkness, the only place people can come on Long Island
where they can see not only the Milky Way but all the other treasures of the sky and we
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need to preserve that sky and I just wanted to add my two cents to what the previous
speaker said, thank you for your time.
Heather Lanza: Okay. At this time, oh, here's Ms. Hemmock from the Museum. Ms.
Hemmock you can unmute yourself and state your name please. Thank you.
Lucinda Hemmock: Okay, Lucinda Hemmock again. I still don't think.we have our
architect on here; I'm trying to scroll through the people.
Heather Lanza: I don't see Anthony.
Lucinda Hemmock: Okay, can I ask a quick question, just on procedure: if we wanted
to modify or eliminate our lights and change the plan, what is the path forward for
coming to you again with that?
Heather Lanza: Mr. Vice-Chairman, would you like me to answer that question?
Vice-Chairman Rich: I well you could answer or I could answer, I mean we could have
a Work Session and we could negotiate this, I don't think that it sounds like we are
really far apart here, I think you seem like you're very willing to try to work with us, we're
willing to work with you. We just do need to probably check and make sure that we don't
want to tell you can or cannot do something when I say do something I mean possibly
not have lights if there is some part of the code that requires you to have lights, so I just
don't want to say the wrong thing here, but I think we're not that far away from each
other here and I think when we come back to next work Session, when would that be?
May 17tn?
Heather Lanza: Yeah,.or even before that, you could give the staff a call and we could
run through any code issues that we'd find later this week just to keep things moving.
Lucinda Hemmock: Oh, that'd be awesome! If I were to call, can you give me a contact
name of someone to call?
Heather Lanza: Brian Cummings and if he's not available, Heather Lanza.
Vice-Chairman Rich: That would be 631-765-1938.
Lucinda Hemmock: Okay, so I need to have a chat with the architects about the plans
and we'need to look into the code and those are the things we need to do. So after I get
in touch with the architect, I can see what our real options are on that then we would
schedule a Work Session with you? After, when we call?
Heather Lanza: Yeah, give us a call first and we'll tell you what we know about the
code so you don't spend extra money on your architects.
Lucinda Hemmock: Okay, we'll do that.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your cooperation.
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Lucinda Hemmock: Oh, yeah, well I thank you for your help.
Heather Lanza: Okay, anything else, Ms. Hemmock?
Lucinda Hemmock: No.
Heather Lanza: Okay, thank you. We have one more hand raised. Oh, it's the architect.
I'll allow him to speak Anthony Portillo. Hi Anthony, please unmute yourself and please
state your name.
Anthony Portillo: Oh sorry, this is Anthony Portillo from AMP Architecture. Hello?
Heather Lanza: Yes, we can hear you.
Anthony Portillo: Thank you, first I apologize Board, I ran into something and that's
why I'm late, it sounds like there was a code issue that I might have missed, I'm sorry, if
you could repeat that.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Well Anthony, we've had several neighbors or members of
Custer Institute which is an astronomy observatory across the street who are deeply
concerned about lights and the need for dark skies particularly in the hours of
observation. We also had a neighbor write in about their concerns over the size of the
parking lot and how much paving is there. So we've talked to Lucinda and we're going
to takea look at how much lighting is really required by code, if any.
Anthony Portillo: Okay, sure. Again, I apologize; I don't want to take up any more time
so I can just talk to Lucinda and I'll request that we have a workshop but I can call your
office and speak with Brian regarding this. It sounds like that's the plan right now, Mr.
Rich? That we have to have another workshop?
Vice-Chairman Rich: Well we don't have to do it as formally as a Work Session, I think
you can certainly talk to Brian and Heather, have some conversation with them and see
what kind of a meeting of the minds you guys can have and then, if needed, we can
address it at a Work Session. But start with them anytime it's convenient for you,
Anthony.
Anthony Portillo: Okay, I just want to say one thing on the size of the parking lot: it is
based on calculations and the requirements for those are the amount of the spots which
we do provide on the site plan. But we'll look into the lighting; I'll speak with Brian more
and then we can go from there. Thank you. I apologize again for being late.
Heather Lanza: There is one more person. It's Anne Spooner again. Ms. Spooner, you
can unmute yourself and state your name please.
Anne Spooner: Hi, yes, Anne Spooner here again; Board Member at Custer Institute
and Observatory across the street. I just wanted to inquire about how we might be
informed of any changes that are made to the current plan that's in place after the Work
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Session is conducted and will there be another Public Hearing before the final vote is
made?
Vice-Chairman Rich: Heather, do you want to answer that?
Heather Lanza: Oh sure. Anybody can call the office to get connected with the most
recent documents that are submitted to the Planning Department, whether, if the
Planning Board closes the hearing now, there may or may not be a new Public Hearing
depending on the changes that are made and that's really it.
don't see that anyone else would like to speak.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Should we close the hearing?
Heather Lanza: I don't see any reason not to. You would typically keep it open if there
were issues and you could always re-open the hearing if the plan changes enough that
it's warranted.
Martin-Sidor: I make a motion to close the hearing, Jim.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Chairman Wilcenski: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
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Vice-Chairman Rich: Lebkuecher Standard Subdivision —This proposal is for a
Standard Subdivision of a 35.79-acre parcel into two lots, where Lot 1 is 3.66 acres with
an existing residential structure and Lot 2 is 32.13 acres with greenhouses in active
farm use, in the R-80 & HB Zoning Districts, located at 935 Franklinville Rd, Laurel. The
access to the existing home is located at 3475 Aldrich Lane, Laurel. SCTM#1000-125.-
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Heather Lanza: I have Pat Moore, the applicant's agent that I will allow to speak first.
Pat, you can unmute yourself and state your name please.
Pat Moore: Sorry, my computer glitched. Yes, this is just a continuation of the prior
hearing last month and it is to split the one lot with 3.6554 acres from the larger farm
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parcel and the haring was continued just to be sure that we had sent all the proper
certified mailings out to the neighbors. So unless you have specific questions, I'll let you
go home for dinner. Thank you.
Vice-Chairman Rich: At this time, if there is anyone in attendance that would like to
address the Board, please raise your hand and you will be permitted to speak.
Heather Lanza: I do not see any hands raised.
Martin Sidor: I make a motion to close the hearing.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Chairman Wilcenski: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
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Vice-Chairman Rich: Next order of business is to approve the Planning board Minutes
from:
August 10, 2020
October 5, 2020
• November 2, 2020
Martin Sidor: I make a motion to approve the minutes.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Chairman Wilcenski: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
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Motion carries.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Okay, with no further business, can I get a motion for
adjournment?
Martin Sidor: I'd like to make a motion for adjournment.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion?
All in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Jessica Michaelis
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