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MEMBEES
Robert W. Gillispie, 3r., Chairman
Robert Bergen
Charles Grigonis, .Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
Fred Hulse0 .Jr.
Southold Town Board of Appeals
SOUTHOLD, L. I., N.Y. 11971
Telephone 765-£660
M-I'N U T E S
So'utP~old Town Board of' Appeals
July 22., 1976
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board of Appeals
was held at 7:30 P;M. (E.D~S.T.),~.Thursday, July 22, 1976,
at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs: Robert W. Gillispie, Jr.,
Chai~n; Robert Bergen; Fred Hulse, Jr.~; Serge Doyen, Jr..
Also present: Peter Campbell, Suffolk Weekly Times;
Sherley Katz, Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman.
PUBLIC R~ARING: Appeal No. 2166 - 7:30 P.M. (E.D.S.T.)
upon application of Rita Schmitd and Doris Schimatz (Samuel
Glickman, Attorney), Rabbit Lane, East Marion, New York for
a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 100-32 for permission to erect accessory building
in front yard area. Location of property: east side Bay
Avenue, East Marion, New York, bounded on the north by J.
Schimatz & wife; east by Marion Lake, south by R. Ruggiero
and another; west by Bay Avenue. Fee paid $15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading ths application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavits a~esting
to its~publica~ion in the official newspapers, and n°tiee~t0
the applicant. The Chairman als0 read statement from the Town
Clerk that notification by certified mail had been made to:
M . Victor Novak; Mr. and Mrs. Edward Braun; Mr. Ruggiero.
THE CHAIRMAN: The photostat of the Count~ tax map ~n-
dicates that the applicant owns 4 lots on Bay Avenue, 3 of
50' and one of 75'
Does anyone present wish to speak for this application?
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SAMUEL J. GLICKMAN: W~ would readily build the two-car
garage in the rear of the property, but the slope down to
East Marion Lake is to such an extent that it is an impos-
sibility to assume there's enough land there to build anything
on. That's why the variance is requested.
THE CHAIRMAN: That's the same reason the pool war placed in
the side yard.
SAMUEL J. GLICKMAN: That's correct.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is it correct that this is going to be
placed partly in the front yard?
SAMUEL J. GLICKMAN: Mostly in the side yard. The garage
will run lengthwise instead of running back to the depth. It
will not be very much in front of the house at all.
THE CHAIRMAN: There's a blacktop parking area there now,
right?
SAMUEL J. GLICKMAN: Yes, the blacktop area will lead into
the garage.
THE CHAIRMAN: That means the applicant will back ou~
onto his own proPerty.
SAMUEL J. GLICKMAN: That's correct.
THE CHAIRMAN: They told us when we were there that they
don't plan any further construction ~n the lot. It looks as
though part of this garage is to be accommodated on the third
lot.
SAMUEL J. GLICKMAN: Yes, it is, on the third lot. They're
all wooded, and there will be no further construction on the
remaining 50' of the adjoining lot.
THE CHAIRMAN: That's pretty unsuitable for building, any-
way, it's low down there.
SAMUEL J. GLICKMAN: Yes, ±5 is, they can't build in the
back.
THE CHAIRMAN: They could hardly build on the 75' lot
without doing a lot of filling.
Is there anyone else who wishes to speak for thi~.application?
(There was no response.)
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Anyone present wish to speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the
applicant requests permission to erect an accessory building in
front yard area, east side Bay Avenue, East Marion, New York.
The findings of the Board are tkat the applicant does have a
very real hardship in that almost the total rear yard area of
the applicant's four lots is very low, and in fact, the lots run
out into Marion Lake.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical~difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and
in the s~me use district; and the variance will not change the
character of ~he neighborhood, and will observe the spirit of
the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED, Rita Schmitd and Doris Schimatz, Rabbit Lane,
East Marion, New York be GRANTED permission to construct an
accessory building in front yard area, east side Bay Avenue,
East Marion, New York, as applied for, subject to the following
condition:
The garage shall be contained in the legal side-yard,
no closer than 31' to Bay Avenue.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Doyen.
PUBLIC.HEARING: Appeal NO. 2164 - 7:40 P.M. (E.D.S.T.)
upon application of James N. and Rosemary Tren~ala~ge, Landing
Road, NassaulPoint, Cutchogue, New York, for a Variance in
aCc6~rdance With the Zoning Ordinance, A~ticle III, section
100~30 and BUlk Schedule for permission to build addition in
rear yard with insufficient area. Location of property: west
part of Lot ~273, Nassau Point Properties, Landing Road,
Cutchogue, New York.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affida~i~ attesting
to its publication in the official newspapers~ and notice to
the applicant. The Chairman also read statement from the Town
Clerk ~hat notification by certified mail had been made to:
Mr. John J. Tobin; Mr. Frank Bullock; Mr. John J. Slattery.
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THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone presen~ who wishes to speak
for this application?
(There was no response.)
Is there anyone present who wishes to speak against this
application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the
applicant requests permission to build addition in rear yard
with insufficient area, Landing Road, Cutchogue, New York.
The findings of the Board are that the applicant's lot is narrow
and unable to meet the normal Bulk Schedule requirements.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property
and in the same use district; and the variance will not change
the character of the neighborhood, and will observe the spirit
of the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen~ it was
RESOLVED, James N. and Rosemary Trentalange, Landing Road,
Nassau Point, Cutchogue, New York be GRANTED permission to
build addition in rear yard with insufficient area, west part
of Lot ~273, Nassau Point Properties, Landing Road, Cutchogue,
New York, as applied for.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Doyen.
Mr. Fred Hulse, Jr. arrived at 7:50 P.M. (E.D.S.T.)
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals approve
minutes dated July 1, 1976, subject to minor correction.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Doyen.
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On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals approve
minutes dated July 9, 1976.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2165 7:50 P.M. (E.D.S.T.)
upon application of Janet Buschman, Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue,
New York for a variance in accordance with the Zoninq Ordinance,
Article III, Section 100-32 for permission to constr~ct an
accessory building in front yard area. Location of property:
east side Nassau Point Road, Lot ~77, Map of Nassau Point Prop-
erties, Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue, New York. Fee paid $15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notic~ of hearing, affidavits attesting to
its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to the
applicant. The Chairman also read statement from the Town Clerk
that notification by certified mail had been made to: Miltor
Greenstein.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
for this application?
CRAIG BUSCHMAN: Yes, I would. We would like to build
a paddle tennis court.
ROBERT BERGEN: Is it going to be enclosed?
CRAIG BUSCHMAN: Enclosed? In what sense?
ROBERT BERGEN: Covered over at all?
CRAIG BUSCHMAN: No. It will have a fence, and is raised
a little off the ground.
ROBERT BERGEN: I see. I thought maybe you were speaking
of putting up a building for it.
THE CHAIRMAN: It's a paddle court with a board floor?
CRAIG BUSCPXMAN: Yes.
THE CHAIRMAN: How high will the backstops be?
CRAIG BUSCHMAN: 12'
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CRAIG BUSCHMAN: It's really a great game - a lot of fun.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone else who would like to
speak for %his application?
(There was no response.)
Do you know which lot it will be build on?
CRAIG BUSCHMAN: I've got a map here which show~ it.
(Mr. Buschman and the Board referred to the diagram.)
THE CHAIRMAN: The proposed paddle tennis court, on this
sketch, appears to be a distance of 65', plus or minus, from
Nassau Point Road. It is screened from Nassau Point Road by
a wooded area. The deck of the proposed court is 31' x 61',
surrounded by a 12' fence.
How high is the net? Is it higher than a tennis net?
CRAIG BUSCHMAN: No, I believe it's shorter - 1-]/2 tennis
rackets.
I might also add that the area used to be a private parking
lot.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone who wishes to speak against
this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
the applicant requests permission to construct accessory
building in front yard area, east side Nassau Point Road,
Cutchogue, New York. The findings of the Board are that the
applicant's rear yard is severly restricted by t~e lots to the
east.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be s~ared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property and
in the same use district; and the variance will not change the
character of the neighborhood, and will observe the spirit of
the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
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RESOLVED, Janet Buschman, Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue,
New York be GRANTED permission to construct accessory building
in front yard area, Lot 977, Map of Nassau Point Properties,
Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue, New York, as applied for, subject
to the following condition:
The paddle tennis court shall be no closer than 60'
from Nassau Point Road, no closer than 20' from the
southerly side yard, and no closer than 15' from the
northerly side yard.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2161 - 8:00 P.M. (E.D.S.T.)
upon application of Howard H. Zehner, Younq's Boatyard & Marina,
Sage Boulevard, Greenport, New York for a ~pecial exception
in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section
100-30 B (6) & Article III, Section 100-35 for permission to
organize a Membership Club. Location of property: Saqe
Boulevard, Greenport, New York, bounded on north by Sage
Boulevard; east by .Land of Sage; south by Peconic Bay; west
by Boat Basin & Kill±an. Fee paid - $15.-00.
The Chairman opened the hearing'by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavits attesting to
its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to the
applicant. The Chairman also ~read letter from the Town Clerk
stating that notification by certified mail has beon made to:
William F. Kilian; Vera Y. Sage.
The application was amended, by Mr. Zehner to read
"25' x 300' parking area" instead of "25' x 259'" as was
originally written.
ROBERT BERGEN: How many members do you plan to have?
HOWARD ZEHNER: We're not sure yet.
(Mr. Zehner then discussed with the Board the facilities
of a membership club on Shelter Island.}
The Board of Health specifies the number of toilets
necessary based upon the number of male and female bathers;
they also specify the shower requirements based on these
numbers.
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THE CHAIRMAN: There is a letter in the file dated June 26,
1976, to the Southold Town Planning Board from Mr. Zehner.
(The Chairman read the letter.)
Has the Planning Board considered this?
HOWARD ZEHNER: Yes, it's been approved.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is it your position that you wouldn't have
needed a special exception from the Board of Appeals?
HOWARD ZEHNER: No, in the original meeting that you quoted
there, with Muriel Brush and Ed Hindermann, we had a lot of
trouble determining what was required, if anything, for me to
open a membership club. We went through the Zoning book, and
spent a lot of~time trying to determine how I should apply for
it, and what a speciaI exception is for.
(The Chairman explained the purpose of special exceptions.)
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to ask one question - when you read
the application, you mentioned some objection to the height of
the fence around the tennis court. The fence is 12' high.
ROBERT BERGEN: That's the disapproval from the Building
Inspector.
THE CHAIRMAN: They had to give'you something to appeal
from. Membership organizations have to be approved by a special
exception.
(Mr. Zehner and the Board then discussed the Zoning
~Ordinance.)
THE CHAIRMAN: The basic rule on parking is that you need
~ecsp~ce for. every two members, or lockers, whichever is greater.
Are you going to have lockers?
HOWARD ZEHNER: No, we don't plan to. There will be two
changing rooms within the main building.
THE CHAIRMAN: How many members do you envision? As many
as you can get?
HOWARD ZEHNER: No, not really. I would guess that I
might have 100 members. This would be about 25 families.
might be more.
It
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ROBERT BERGEN: How many boat slips do you have?
HOWARD ZEHNER: 93, but there's no crossover between the
boaters and the club. The boaters will not be allowed to use
the facilities. There will be a seperate entrance for the
members. The boaters may join the club if they wish, but
otherwise there's no relationship between the two. I halve
to set it up this way financially. For instance, I'm not
renting the tennis courts by the hour. It is going to be a
selected membership club.
(The Board and Mr. Zehner then discussed the con-
structural aspects of the tennis courts as well as
"Artificial Ice", a covering which can be put over
tennis courts to make them suitable for skating,
dancing, etc.)
THE CHAIRMAN: What are you going to charge for this?
HOWARD ZEHNER: I've been having a little trouble with
that. It's going to be a combined club (both pool and tennis
courts). Sterling Harbor charges $160.00 for a family of
four to use their pool, plus $25.~0 for each additional member
of the family. That's just for the pool. The membership
tennis clubs are charging $175.00 for one member for the
season, $300.00~if the wife joins.
THE CHAIRMAN: How many months will you be open?
HOW ~A~D ZEHNER: May 1st through October 31st. I might
add lights at a later time so that people could use the
facilities until, say, 11~00 P.M.
THE CHAIRMAN: Well, I don~t think the Board is so much
interested in what other clubs charge as we are in what you
are going to charge. Have you determined that yet?
HOWARD ZEHNER: $250~00 as of this month for the season
for an individual; for two individuals in the family, $350.00;
for each other individual in the family over 12 years old,
$50,00; for each other individual.in.the family under 12 years
old who does not Play tennis, $25.00, fOr each individual
under 12 who d-~s play tennis, it's $50.00.
THE CHAIRMAN: And how high is the backstop on the
tennis courts?
HOWARD ZEHNER: 12' high.
(Mr. Zehner again disCussed the structure of the courts.)
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THE CHAIRMAN: And what is your original goil, about
100 members?
HOWARD ZEHNER: Yes, which is perhaps 25 families.
I'm really not sure of that yet.
THE CHAIRMAN: I'm trying to relate what you're saying
to what the Ordinance says.
(The Chairman read the Ordinance on membership clubs.)
The parking requirements, as I said before, are one
space for ev.ery two members, or lockers, whichever is greater.
I think~hat we should be concerned with here is the parking.
The parking area is 25' x 300'
HOWARD ZEHNER: I have additional parking shown on the
drawing. We have all kinds of room for parking.
THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, I see that. It's just a question of
how much of that can be improved to be made dust-free. I know
there's a tremendous amount of dust in that area now.
HOWARD ZEHNER: Well, I have sand and gravel going into
my property now, which is as much as I can afford.
THE CHAZRMAN: The sketch indicates that these two courts
which you're presently building are toward to southerly end
of the lot which you have set off in red (on map). There is
a heavily wooded barrier on the northern side, and the 25' x
300! ~parking area is on the easterly side of the tennis courts.
Where will the people enter?
HOWARD ZEHNER: There will be a seperate drive off Sage
Boulevard here (indicating on map.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Getting back to tee rights you mentioned -
what rights do the marina membership m~mbers have?
~E~ARDiqZEMNEE:~They have membership rights just in the
marina.
THE CHAIRMAN: Then they would have to join the club
seperately.
HOWARD ZEHNER: Yes, there would be a seperate.application.
They would have to sign it, pay the money, and follow the rules.
THE CHAIRMAN: When do you expect to get into operation?
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HOWARD ZEHNER: We will be operating, with your help, on
August 1st, next Sunday, the Sunday after this.
THE CHAIR~_AN: Our chief concern here is the parking.
It's zoned "light industrial and you certainly have plenty
of area here to operate the facilities.
Does anyone else wish to speak for this application?
HOWARD ZEHNER: Mr. Chairman, if I may, I would just like
to bring you up to.~date on what's been happenings- I have the
Board of Health approval on the plumbing. Bob Jewell, who~s
the top man in Suffolk County in the Health Department, came
yesterday and gave approval on everything they saw up to that
point. I have approval from the electrical inspector on the
grounding of all metal devices around the pool. I really
only have one more check from the Board of Health before I
can go into operation.
Also, the Planning Board made three suggestions which
I certainly go along with. First, we're going to make a
turn-around at the end of the parking lot so people don't
have to back out of this right angle parking area. Next,
they suggested two security lights. Thirdly, they suggested
clearing the area near Sage Boulevard so you can see 75'
on either side when you're approximately 30' from Sage
Boulevard.
THE CHAIRMAN: The site plan has been approved, right?
HOWARD ZEHNER: Yes. There's a building involved which
I have a d~awlng of here. Ed Hindermann checked the plumbing
for it already. I call it a pro shop and bath house, which is
located near the shallow end of ~he pool. People must walk
through this building to enter the pool. There's also a building
going up for which I'm applying for a building permit.
THE CHAIRMAN: You've got~a horse corral here now, on this
2.1 acre tract. Is the whole area going to be enclosed ~ith
fencing?
HOWARD ZEHNER: I hope I don't have to enclosed the 'whole
thing.
THE CHAIRMAN: Are there any other questions?
(There was no response.)
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After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the
applicant requests permission to organize a membership club,
Young's Boatyard and Marina, Sage Boulevard, Greenport, New York.
The findings of the Board are that the Board is in agreement
with the reasoning of the applicant.
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare
and justice will be served and the legally established or
permitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use dis-
tricts will not be permanently or substantially inured and
the spirit of the Ordinance will be observed.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED, Howard H. Zehner, Young's Boatyard and Marina,
Sage Boulevard, Greenport, New York be GRANTED permission to
organize a membership club as applied for, subject to the
following condition:
The Board will review the applicant's operation by
August 1, 1977, to insure that the parking facilities
are adequate.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doylen.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2160 - 8:30 P.M. (E.D.S.T.)
upon application of Rev. Brian S. Kopke for the Board Of
Trustees, First Universalist Church, Main Road, Southold~ New
York, for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 C (7) for permission
to hold a Flea Market. Location of property: First Univer-
salist Church, Main Road, Southold, New York, bounded on north
by Main Road; east by Charnews; south by W. Quirk, west~-by
Main Road.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a special ~ption, legal notice of hearing, aff±davits
attesting to its )ub!ication in the official newspapers, and
notice to the iicant. The Chairman also read letter.from
the Town Clerk esting to notification by certified mail to:
William Quirk; John Charnews; Southold Schools.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
for this appliCation?
CHARLES MEYER: I am a trustee of the First Universalist
Church Of Southold. The reason for that disapproval states
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that the property is not under the ownership of the church.
That is not so. Anything that iS used in this so-called Flea
Market has been donated to the church for charitable purposes,
is sold and all proceeds go to the Church. This is not a deal
where the Church is selling things on commission. It is a
once-a-year affair to try and have some sort of backstop against
a thing called "inflation." We've done it for the past four
years and have had no difficulty whatsoever. Frankly, we do
not understand this sudden disapproval, or this business of the
property not belonging to the Church, because the property has
always belonged to the Church. It is all donated.
THE CHAIRMAN: The disapproval that I read indicated the
following:
"Disapproved on the following grounds: Outdoor sale
of merchandise not permitted by vendors other than
personal property of owner via yard sale permit."
CHARLES MEYER: This is the personal property of the
owner, it has been donated to the owner, and meets the
technical requirements of a yard sale. Therefore, I think
that disapproval does not apply.
ROBERT BERGEN: Where did the idea that it's a flea
market come from?
~HEREE~i~MR: Somebody sent the word down for some strange
reason that I don't quite understand, because everything there
has been donated. They are also planning to have that North
Fork Quilt Display then. All it is is one big yard sale. It
all goes for charikable purposes.
ROBERT BERGEN: There is no renting of spaces?
CHARLES MEYER: None whatsoever. There's no one coming in
from out of town, no commission selling or anything of that
nature. I think there's a misunderstanding here.
THE CHAIRMAN: And in the past four years that you've
conducted these affairs, you've just come in and gotten a per-
mit?
CHARLES MEYER: Yes. There's never been the slightest
difficulty until now.
THE CHAIRMAN: I don't know myself why we have the appli-
cation. Tbs Building Inspector, when he showed us the premises,
said the application was for a flea market, which is altogether
different.
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How long does this sale last?
CHARLES MEYER: Four or five hours. It's a 10:00 to
4:00 sort of thing.
THE CHAIRMAN: You don't lease parking space to, say, a
guy who came up from Florida with a truckload of things to sell.
CHARLES MEYER: No. We sell only things that have been
donated to the Church.
HOLLAND CAMPBELL: Just out of curiosity, h~w much of a
problem would it be if we allowed eight or ten people to come
in and sell their own things on a commission basis?
THE CHAIRMAN: It would be no problem if the Town changed
the Ordinance. The way the Ordinance reads now, that type of
operation is not permitted outdoors.
(The Chairman then explained the Ordinance.)
CHARLES MEYER: Well, in any case, we are holding a yard
sale, not a flea market. You're putting us on th~ horns of a
dilemma because, among other people, we have the New York
Times ~reatly interested in the quilt display we're planning
to make on this date, and we can't fiddle around and suddenly
not have this yard sale with our North Fork Quilt Display
without getting ourselves in one heck of a mess. Basically,
it's a yard sale - can't we just change this to a yard sale
right now?
THE CHAIRMAN: Well, you don't need a special exception
for a yard sale. We can write a letter to the Building Inspector
and suggest that he issue a permit for a yard sale.
Does anyone wish to speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
the apPlicant re.q~ests permisslio~ to hold a yard sale, not a
flea market, at.the~First Uniwersalist Church, Main Road,
Southo!~, New-Y6rk. The findings of the Boar~. are that, since
it is a yard sale, the applicant need only obtain a permit from
the Building Inspector.
The Board finds that the public convenience and. welfare
and justice will not be served and the legally established or
permitted use· of nei~hborhood~property and adjoining use
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districts will be permanently or substantially injured and the
spirit of the Ordinance will not be observed.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED, Rev. Brian Kopke, First Universalist Church,
Main Road, Southold, New York be DENIED permission to hold
a flea market on this property as applied for.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen, Hulse,
Doyen.
The secretary was instructed to write Howard Terry,
Building Inspector, informing him that Appeal No. 2160 is
in error, and that the application is for a yard sale, not
a flea market.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED, Appeal No. 1792, rehearing upon application of
James W. Newell, Main Road, Mattituck, New York, for a special
exception 'to operate an automobile repair shop on the Main
Road; Mattituck, be POSTPONED until the next meeting of the
Board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:
Hulse, Doyen.
Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
P~BLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2163 - 8:45 P.M. (E~2D.S.T.)
upon app!~cati~n o~ Harold J. and Ruth F. Ash, Woo~ane, Greenport,
New Yo~k for a variance in accordance wi~h the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Sec~i0n 100-30 and Bulk Schedule for permission to
divide premises with dwelling into two lots. Location of property:
west side Wood Lane, Greenport, New York, bounded on north by J.
Getches; east by Wood Lane; south by W. Hickson; west by Sterling
Homes Subdivision. Fee paid - $15.00
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavits attesting to
its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to the appli-
cnat. The Chairman also read letter from the Town'Clerk indicating
that notification by certified mail had been made to: Mr. Joseph
Getches; Mr. William A HickSon; Mr. John Costakos; Mr. Alfred. D.
Timmins.
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THE CHAIRMAN: This application is accompamied by a
survey by Van Tuyl indicating that the applicant owns 130'
on Wood Lane, of which 80' would be retained under this
sketch.
Is there anyone present who wishes to speak for this appli-
cation?
RUDOLPH BRUER: The application fairly well speaks~for
itself. It is my understanding that north of the premises
there is a lot of approximately the same size that has a dwelling
being built on it. There are other lots in the area~of approx-
imately that size. Also, as you can see on the survey, the
premises were pretty much divided into what the request is for.
I have here two old tax bills showing that in prior years, 1970
and 1971, each lot was taxed as a seperate tax entity, although
they are listed under the same owner. The survey shows that the
two were seperate parcels. I think maybe the over-all map might
also show it.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you have public water there?
RUDOLPH BRUER: I would think so.
(Mr. Bruer and the Board then discussed the location of
the property and the size of the adjoining lots in the
neighborhood.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone else wish to speak for this
application?
(There was no response.)
ROBERT BERGEN: How close is the present house going to be
to the dividing line?
RUDOLPH BRUER: I would assume that the dividing line would
be a direct line of 50'. The survey shows ....
THE CHAIRMAN: If this survey is correct, it looks like about
15' (r~ferrfng to map). You have a limitation on the amount of
lot area ... it's a small lot. I think probably the Board shOuld
State that the house should have a 10' side yard between the
house and the southerly line. The proposed lot, that is, and the
proposed house.
RUDOLPH BRUER: Well, what about these other lots in the
area, what do they have?
ROBERT BERGEN: They've been there for a while, we can't
put restrictions on them.
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THE CHAIRMAN: I assume that the house going up next door -
you see, the Building Inspector has the authority, without the
Board of Appeals, to reduce the side yards of a lot in single
and seperate ownership by, I think, 25%. He may have done that
for this house.
ROBERT BERGEN: Are you going to give them a reduction on
the side line?
THE CHAIRMAN: Well, I think if you state in this action
that you're going to require 10' on this side (on map) that
the reduction will be on the other side. Maybe we should ig-
nore it?
RUDOLPH BRUER: I think that would be best because the
Building Inspector is the person involved in that.
THE CHAIRMAN: With the Ordinance, you've got to have
35', that makes it a very narrow house. But once the Board
acts to create a 50' x 100' lot, that lot is considered to
have been in single and seperate ownership prior to the
Ordinance. In other words, that wipes out the Ordinance re-
quirement of 40,000 sq. ft..
Anyone present wish to speak against ~his application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
the applicant requests permission to divide premises with
dwelling into two lots, west side.Wood Lane, Greenport, New
York. The findings of the Board are that the majority of
lots in that area are 50' lots.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would ~rOduce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardShip created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the irmuediate vicinity of this property and
in the same use district; and the variance will not change the
character'of the neighborhood, an~ will observe the spirit of
the Ordinance.
O~ motion by Mr. Hulse, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED, Harold J. and Ruth F. Ash, Wood Lane, Greenpo~,
New-York, be GRANTED permission to divide premises with dwelling
into two lots, west side Wood Lane, Greenport, New York, as
applied for.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
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July 22, 1976
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was-
RESOLVED, Appeal No. 2162, upon application of Walter W.
Washburn, 1500 Bay Avenue, East.Marion, New York for a variance
for permission to set off lot on private right-of-way and
approval of access be ~OSTPONED as per the request of Mr.
Charles R. Cuddy, attorney for the late Mr. Washburn.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2147 - 9:15 P.M. (E.D.S.T~)
recessed hearing upon application of Eastern Long Island Kamp-
grounds, Inc. by Richard C. Wilton, President, P.O. Box 89,
~00 Queen Street, Greenport, New York (Wickham & Lark, attorneys)
for a special exception in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Article V, Section 100-50 B (5) and Article VI, Section 100-60
B (1) for permission to construct campground and trailer park.
Location of property: South side North Road (CR27) and ~ueen
Street, Greenport, New York, bounded on the north by CR27
(North Road); east by Queen Street, west by Village of Greenport,
now or formerly Fenno, now or formerly'~ledjeski; now or for-
merly Francisco; south by Village of Greenport.
THE CHAIRM~N: On June 10, 1976, I read the application
for K.O.A. and much of what was in the file. We recessed the
hearing because the site plan, at that time, was unacceptable~
to this Board and to the Town Attorney's office. Since that
time, my understanding is that the site plan has been revised.
Continuing now with the hearing, is there anyone present
who has additional information for this application?
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: Does the Board have the revised site
plan with the Planning Board's approval? If not, I have a copy
that I can give to the Board.
THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, we'd better have that - we couldn't
~ind it in our files.
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: I don't have a certified copy of the
minutes because they have not been made available, but I have a
copy of a map that was presented to the Planning Board showing
Section I, which is 73 sites. That was approved, as I under-
stand, by the-~Planning Board on June 19, 1976. With the exhibit
that I've j~st given you, I will attach Page ~8 of their minutes
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approving that. In reliance thereon, it is my understanding
that the Planning Board Chairman submitted it to the Suffolk
County Planning Commission. They reviewed the revised site
plan and sent back a letter dated July 6, 1976, to the Town,
indicating that this was a matter for local determination
subject to their conditions of April 10, 1975.
(Mr. Lark briefly reviewed those conditions.)
Ail of those conditions have been incorporated into the site
plan with the various sheets that the Board has before it for
Phase I of the campground. I think the Board should also have
th~ approval of the site plan for Section I.
THE CHAIRMAN: I was told by the Planning Board Chairman
that they did, in fact, approve this site plan. I think they
changed the number lots shown on it to 73 from 74, but, in any
case, that's in the-Planning Board files. We know what it
consists of, and if this Board acts then we'll impose conditions
which will require that the site plan meet everything that
you're talking about.
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: I think since the Board is bound by
the Zoning Code, they must give consideration to many facts
and also, possibly, make recommendations~a~dppHtcc~d~s~n
the use of the property in the special exception. I thought the
Board should have for its file this sheet, which we can mark
"Sheet ~7", which is basically an overlay.
THE CHAIRMAN: Well, I don't think the Board is prepared to
act on the whole ...
RICHARD LARK, ESQ: I know, but I think the Board should
have it in its file, along with the initial application on which
the Town Board acted and made the cha~ge of Zone. I am presenting
these to the Board so that theY have the total picture this is
what the Suffolk County Planning Commission had before it, and I
~Fr~k this should be in the Board of Appeals record so it will
make some sense as to what they were acting on. The Board will be
acting on Section I, but I am presenting the other just so the
Board will have it ~n its record.
THE CHAIRMAN: And this is the 600' buffer zone?~(in-
dicating on map.)
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: That's correct.
RENSSEL~ER TERR~, ESQ.: About the buffer zone- when Queen
Street is widened, will the area be taken off the buffer zone,
so that the zone is, in effec~ narrowed?
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RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: Queen Street h~s to be ~widened some
17'
RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: Well, the buffer zone is not 100'
frontage, it's the depth, right?
RICHARD LARK, ESQ. Yes, that's correct, that's what the
Suffolk County Planning Commission was referring to.
THE CHAIRMAN: The 100' buffer zone, if they widen the road,
would be moved back; the recreation area would suffer to that
extent, which I don't think anyone feels~is too serious.
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: The Suffolk County Department of
Works said that if the road is ever widened, which is not in
the foreseeable future, it would be on the south side of the
street due ~o the way the utilities and everything are located.
In Mr. Wilton's application, he has agreed, and there is a
condition from the Town Board, that if anything is taken off
the frontage, he would have to provide a similar amount in the
rear of the buffer, so the buffer will always remain 100'.
THE CHAIRMAN: There is nothing but landscaping in the
100' buffer. The only thing that would suffer is the 500'
zone, which will be diminished by however much they widen the
road.
Is there anyone else who wishes to speak for the
application?
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: That is basically the case for the
applicant. Rather than rehash all the provisions of 100-121
of the Southold Town Building Z®~erSm~ance, I think the
application is in conformity with all those conditions in
that entire paragraph.
THE CHAIRMAN: The Board, if we grant this special ex-
ception, will have to state all of the conditions that were
proposed by the Town Board, plus incorporate some more re-
strictive conditions.
Is~there anyone present who wishes to speak against
this application?
RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: I am here on behalf of Judith
Fenno and Arthur Francisco, Jr., in opposition to thisvappli-
cation.
THE CHAIRMAN: I think that you gave a summary of your
objections to the secretary the last time. Do you want them
read again?
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RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: My concern is that my clients'
property butts on considerable area of the proposed camp, and
while there seems to be a requirement'~for a cyclone fence to
be a buffer between the camp and the Village of Greenport,
there doesn't seem to be any such requirement as far as other
adjoining property is concerned.
THE CHAI~J~N: This Board could put a condition on this
application that a fence be put all the way around here (on
map), which will seperate this operation from the neighbors
on the west. At the point where the Village of Greenport
property is crossed, Condition 92 of the Town Board will take
over. This is our interpretation of what should be there.
We also interpret the Ordinance to require that all campsites
be 50' x 100', and be connected by a roadway which is 24'
built to Town specifications. There will be no campgrounds
within the 600' buffer zone.
RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: This whole area here (on map)
is being zoned as business.
THE CHAIRMAN: That is to accommodate this. This 600'
buffer strip largely wipes out, in effect, this business zone.
The business zoned property line is up here (on map), and that
was required because the K~O.A. people have certain uses which
require business zoning.
RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: Do you mean to tell me then that
the rest of this business zone cannot be used for business?
THE CHAIRMAN: No. The condition that covers that is
very clear, and it is one of our points of interpretation
that it shall not apply to structures such as fencing that
might be required ~o fence playgrounds and so forth.
RENSS~LAER TERRY, ESQ.: The other point that I mentioned
is that I still believe that this is an illegal operation. I
do not believe that the Town Board had the right to make this
move, to seperate two residential areas~h~b~~S~.
I believe this is spot zoning. I asked f~'pe~miSsioh ~ Submit
a memorandum to you. I was not aware at the time that the
zoning change had already been accomplished. However, I still
think that the Board of Appeals, even though the zoning has
been changed, is furthering an illegal a~t because the cha~e
of zone, as such, was illegal.
THE CHAIRMAN: I don't know whether we!re aware of all
the points that you brought up in the memorandum, but I will
make the same argument to you that I made before, which is,
that in some sense, all changes of zone constitute spot
zoning.
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July 22, 1976
RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: I can see that if you're adding
an addition from one business zone to another, or from one
other type of zone to another, but here you're taking a com~
pletely residential area and putting a wedge of business zoned
property in the middle of it. I believe that is spot zoning.
The entire operation is an illegal operation by the Town Board,
as the zoning change is not authorized by statute.
THE CHAIRMAN: It would be your view, then, that any
down-zoning in a residential area would be spot zoning.
RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: Not necessarily. There are other
things to be taken into consideration. You see, they didn't
take into consideration that this is a narrow, two-lane highway
and the traffic conditions will be worsened by the volume ...
THE CHAIRMAN: On the contrary, there is an elaborate
traffic study here, and this was brought up at every meeting.
RENSSELAER TERRY, ESQ.: It's still a two-lane road.
People go along here at about 30 m.p.h, and stop and talk to
their neighbors, etc.
THE CHAIRMAN: I would like to bring to your attention,
Mr. Terry, that the Suffolk County Planning Commission, in
their letter of April 10, 1975, deemed this a matter Of local
determination subject to the conditions outlined in that letter
which set forth some of the minimum standards. The Suffolk
County Board of Health has reviewed this application and their
approval has been received. The Suffolk County Department of
Public Works has studied it and has agreed to a deceleration
lane. The Southold Town Board, at the public hearing on May 27,
changed the zone to "M-l" and "B", as previously noted. This
change was.made subject to eight conditions. The Southold Town
Planning Board made recommendations on the change of zone.
The Village of Greenport has signed a sewage contract and will
furnish the water. In other words, a lot of study ha~ gone into
this application.
I would also like to draw your attention to the Ordinance.
A special exception is really a required exception, under our
Ordinance, when the applicant meets all of the necessary con-
ditions for the special exception. As far as this Board is
concerned, he does.
SHERLEY KATZ: Is there going to be a shoulder on the road
as well as a deceleration Lane? If you are on a bicycle on the
right-hand side of the road, and if you have this (on map) as a
deceleration zone where cars are going to pull in, you are then
in a very dangerous spot.
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July 22, 1976
THE CHAIRMAN: The cars will be decelerating.
SHERLEY KATZ: In that part they will be, but there will
be cars passing to the left, speeding by, they'll be going
fast. Also, those big trucks create tremendous draft, and if
you've only got that much room (on map) to maneuver, you're
in trouble.
RICHARD-LARK, ESQ.: There's a shoulder on the road, and
bicyclists will be to the extreme right of the road near the
grass so they will be far away from the semis, etc.
THE CHAIRMAN: In other words, the shoulder will move
over with the deceleration lane, just as it will if the road
is widened. How long is that deceleration lane?
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: About 300'.
SAMUEL KATZ: Well, do I understand this correctly, that
where K.O.A. borders on Village-owned land, K.O.A. is going to
put up a 6' high fence?
THE CHAIRMAN: If they have a site which is located within
100' of the Village property, they have to.
SAMUEL KATZ: Otherwise, it's not mandatory for K.O.A.
to put up that fence.
THE CHAIRMAN: I.guess the operation will go into Section I,
and if it is successful it will go to Section II ...
SAMUEL KATZ: I see, it is not all going to be b~tt at
one time. Will they be obliged to put a fence along Queen Street?
THE CHAIRMAN: No. Queen Street is to be improved at
their expense. Evgntually, I think they propose to fence the
whole thing.
Another question that was raised was on the amount of
parking. The BuiIding Inspector came up with a figure, of
20,000 sq. ft.. Do 'you have that figure in mind for the amount
of parking yoU're going to furnish by the administration building?
RICHARD WILTON: I don't know what the square footage is,
but it has been worked out that there is more parking there than
is required.
THE CHAIRMAN: There has been quite a bit said against
this operation, but some of the good things have not been fully
brought out. This will not engender more school.children for
the school system. It should help support the tax base of the
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Town, and it is also seasonal. In your Environmental Impact
Statement, Mr. Koopmen points out that there will be a few
~obs created, a f~w more cre~ted than will be eliminated. Ap-
proximately 6 or 7 people will be required to maintain the
property. As it is totally seasonal, the withdrawals against
the water supply will be minimal as compared to a subdivision.
These are some of the points in favor of this application.
Does anyone else have any question~?
BENSON TELSEY: In connection with the fenbe on.Queen
Street, why don't they have a fence along that street to
protect the residents across the street from the noise and
the dust? Do you provide for a screen fence where behind .the
fence you have shrubbery to break down the noise?
RICHARD WILTON: We are going to have Japanese Black Pine
and seedling trees which in time will be of sizable nature and
will provide a screen. We have already planted 2,000 seedlings.
We'Ve taken most of our planting advice from Charles Barnett,
who's with the Department of Agriculture.
BENSON TELSEY: I object to this special exception because
of the site. The site is located on a two-lane road which is
outmoded and dangerous. I have lived on that road over 25 years,
and every year the traffic increases, and it's a speed road.
This fact is brought out in a letter dated January 17, 1975,
from the Department of Public Works, which states that this road
was built many years ago to meet standards which are presently
outmoded.
Secondly, I object to the site because it is low and located
on wet land. When you have rains, the water table is about 1-1/2'
to 4' below the surface, and in certain areas where there will be
buildings there wi~t~be swampy areas. This is brought out by the
United StaGes bep~r~ment of k~riculture Soil C0nser~ation Service,
dated January 21, 1974. It's signed by Charles R. Barnett,
District'ConservationiSt. I believe you have a copy of this
~nlettera~di~i~'~-in ~ou~ file which I w~uld like you to review in depth.
In addition to that, I have great doubt whether or not the
Village of Green/port is able to furnish water and sewage pur-
suant to their contract. In your file you have a letter from
Mr. Monsell dated 1973...
THE CHAIRMAN: We have a copy of the contract.
BENSON TELSEY: Haven't you a copy of the 1973 letter when
this project was turned down because they weren't able to
service it?
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THE CHAIRMAN: That has since been changed.
BENSON TELSEY: Three years ago, in that r if I re-
member correctly~ he said that they were using 400 000 gallons
a day for the Village of Greenport, and the other ommitment
brought it over closer to 600,000. The capacity the plant
is only 500,000 gallons.
I say that to permit a camp to locate on this site will be
a disservice to the Town of Southold. It will be ~ disservice
to the campers, or the consumers, because of their
and comfort because of the low-lying land and the ~
land. Also, peculiar as it may seem, it will be a
Mr. Wilton because, to me, it is not economically f
far as his volume of campsites is concerned and th.
going to go into to make this thing at least minim~
.~r a campsite.
I would like to bring to your attention the fact that this
piece of land is located behind the Moores Swamp drain, which
comes right down behind it and causes all this overflooding.
It's behind a watershed. That's why I strenuously Dppose this
site. As far as the camp is concerned, I have no o )jection
to a camp in the Town of Southold, but let's have a camp we
can be proud of, and don't put it in a swamp, put it on some
high land~ Where everybody~ can be proud of it.
THE CHAIRMAN: I think that's why Mr. Barnett Suggested
that, due~to the c~y structure, there should be sewage. That
is, of course, a requirement in this so-called plan~ As far as
evaluating from here, at this moment, the ability of the Village
of Greenpor% to accommodate this 'amount of sewage, that is not
a matter for this Board to determine, as you know. They have
already signed a contract with certain limitations on it.
health, safety
etness of the
disservice to
sasible as
expense he's
nly viable
As far as the other points you made, some of them are a
matter off,pinion, and some of ~hem affect ail of us. Many. of
our roads~eal!y should be widensd, but whenever an effort is
made to widen a r®ad, there is almost 100% opposition. I assume
that this is true in many areas of the Country.
One of the unusual things about this application is that
thsre'are ~sr~ few p~a~es in the Town of Sou%hold that could
accommodate it. It's fine to say that this camp should be on
a beautiful, ~our-lane highway with an adjoining sewer plant;
however, these things are not always economically feasible and
we have to deal withwhat we have. Many applications for change
of zone are received every year in~ Suffolk County. Thers's no
law Saying we have to inquire as to the motivs of the applicant,
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nor do we. I assume that Mr. Wilton had an opportunity to
acquire this piece, and he went ahead with it. Many of the
comments on this have been opinion. I'm sure that this will
increase the traffic, but what wouldn't? The only way the
traffic could decrease is if some of the people moved out. We
don't want that either.
BENSON TELSEY: The fact is that we're locating a transient
travel trailer complex on a two-lane highway.
THE CHAIRMAN: In the only place that's feasible to locate it.
BENSON TELSEY: And behind a watershed that's a swampy area.
That's a disservice to the campers themselves.
THE CHAIRMAN: I'm sure Mr. Wilton has considered this very
carefully.
Anyone else wish to speak?
RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: To allay some of Mr. Telsey's fears,
the study that was done in the 1960's for the Town of Southold
and the Village of Greenport recognized this as a watershed.
The Village of Greenport recommended that this entire area, on
which the applicant's property is located as well as some of the
Village property, which Mr. Telsey called a swampy area, not be
used for residential or any other use, but for recreational use.
RICHARD WILTON: I might expand on that a little. At the
present time, there are several houses on Queen Street, and there
is a migrant labor camp back there. Samples of some of the water
back in Moores Woods indicated that there are traces of sewage
in there at the present time. They trace it back to these lo-
cations. Once that water and Sewer line goes in, these people
will be obligated to hook up to it.
SAMUEL KATZ: I interrupted Councelor Terry before - he
asked where Queen Street goes to.
(The Board, Mr. Terry and Mr. Lark then discussed the
boundaries of Queen Street.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Are there any other questions?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
the applicant owns approximately 24 acres on the south side of
CR27. On March 28, 1976, the southerly 18.87 acres was zoned
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"M-l" and the northerly portion of approximately 5.12 acres
was zoned "B" (Light Business) by the Southold Town Board,
after referral to the Planning Board and the Suffolk County
Planning Commission, which deemed the change of zone a matter
of local determination subject to compliance with the following
conditions:
1. Public water supply and sanitary sewage disposal will
be supplied by the Inc. Village of Greenport.
2. The number of campsites will be limited to 162 in
compliance with "M-l" District requirements.
The buildings erected on Parcel II will be only
those used in connection with transient travel
campgrounds.
e
A 100 ft. landscaped buffer zone comprising 0.4732
acres will be provided on the northerly portion of
the premises as it fronts on Middle Road (CR27).
5. Queen Street is to be widened and improved as per
Town of Southold specifications.
The Suffolk County Planning Department has again on July 2,
1976, approved the revised plan as presented to the Board of
Appeals and as approved by the Southold Town Planning Board on
June 21, 1976, stating that the current proposed Special Ex-
ception by the Board of Appeals is a matter for local determination,
since the current proposed action of the Appeals Board is more re-
strictive than the conditions set forth in the Planning Commission
letter of April 10, 1975.
In summary as of this date, the Board finds that the fol-
lowing agencies of ~County and Town government have acted as
follows in this matter:
Suffolk County Planning Commission - the Commission
has reviewed this application several times and has
deemed it a matter for local determination subject
to the conditions set forth in their letter of April
10, 1975.
2~
Suffolk c~n~ty Department of Health - The Health
Departmen~ approvai has been received and copies of
approved dra~ings have been sent to the Southold Town
Planning Board and Building Department as per letter
dated June 9, 1976, from Richard C. Wilton for Eastern
Long Island Kampgrounds, Inc.
3. Suffolk County Department of Public Works - a permit
haS been granted for. a deceleration lan~ 'subject only
to bonding.
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Southold Town Board - after the public hearing of
May 27, 1975, the Board changed the zoning to "M-i"
and "B" as previously noted subject to eight conditions
enumerated later in this action.
Southold Town P'l'anning Board - the Board made recom-
mendations on the change of zone and also made reviews
of the site plans, including the final June 19, 1976,
site plan of Part I, action dated June 21, 1976.
6. Village of Greenport - the Village has signed a sewage
contract with the applicant and agrees to furnish water.
The Board of Appeals - the Board held a hearing on
June 10, 1976, for a Special Exception and recessed
the hearing until further notice. Pages 16-36 of the
Board minutes of June 10, 1976, record the hearing.
A public notice of the'continuation of the recessed
hearing is given in the current Town newspapers.
The Board further finds that in addition to the above
actions the following individuals or organizations have con-
tributed an understanding of this project for the establishment
of 73 campsites at the present time known as Section I~
Building Inspector - assistance in all aspects of
planning including parking requirements estimated at
20,000 sq. ft. adjacent to administration building.
Southold Town Planning Board - initial recommenda-
tions for change of zone, review of site plans, over-
all requirements as to water, sewage, buildings, etc.
3. Holzmacher, McLendon and Murrell, Consulting Engineers -
water and sewage layout.
John Jacobsen, Traffic Engineer - traffic count of ap-
proximately 400 or less per hour on CR27 between 4:00 P.M.
and-8:00 P.M. on Memorial Day Weekend. E.O.A. studies
indicate a vehicular trip total of three (3) per day
per occupant of the campsite. Usual checK-in time is
between 4:00 P.M. and 8:00 P.M..
Richard Koopman - prepared a 36-page environmental
study for the applicant.
Richard C. Wilton - a soil study noted by Mr. Wilton
indicates clay under a portion of the site, which will
require sewer arrangements.
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July 22, 1976
The Board finds that the public convenience and welfare
and justice will be served and the legally established or per-
mitted use of neighborhood property and adjoining use districts
will not be permanently or substantially injured and the spirit
of the Ordinance will-be oSserved.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED, Richard C. Wilton, President, Eastern Long Island
Kampgrounds, Inc., P.O. Box 89, 600 Queen Street, Greenport, New
York be GRANTED permission to construct a campground and trailer
park on the south side of CR27 and the west side of Queen street,
Greenport, New York, subject to the following conditions, which
include the eight conditions originally outlined by the Town
Board as well as additional conditions and interpretations of
the Board Of Appeals:
That public water supply and sanitary sewage disposal
to the premises which are the subject of %his resolution
be supplied by the Incorporated Village of Greenport
at the sole cost and expense of the petitioners which
said water supply and sewage disposal systems shall
comply with all of the requirements of all agencies
having jurisdiction thereof, and that said water supply
and sewage disposal systems be installed and in operation
prior to the occupancy of the premises for any purposes
whatsoever.
That in the event that any portion of the premises
located within 100 feet of the land owned by the Village
of Greenport is utilized for campgrounds or trailer
sites, a 6 foot chain link or equivalen~ type fence
shall be erected and maintained along the boundary line
of said land of the Village of Greenport.
That the portion of the premises adjacent to County
Route 27 to-a distance of 100 feet tker~efrom shall be
at all times maintained as a !andscaped buffer zone and
that no buildings or structures of any type whatsoever
shall be erected or maintained thereon. That t~e type
and location of landscaping within said buffer zone be
approved by the Planning Board of the Town ~of Southold;
that in the event that County Route 27 shall be widened,
altered or relocated that said buffer zone shall be ex-
~ended so that said buffer zone shall at all times ex-
tend 100 feet from the said highway.
4. That to minimize traffic hazards tha~ may occur by reason
of trailer vehicles entering and leaving said premises,
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suitable turn-off or deceleration lanes or such other
highway facilities as the agency having jurisdiction of
County Route 27 shall prescribe shall be provided.
That in order to provide suitable access to the premises
over Queen Street, a 33 foot wide Town highway, the same
will be required to be widened to 50 feet. Prior to
occupancy of the rezoned premises by the owners thereof
for trailer park purposes, the o%~ers shall at their own
expense improve and pave a 17 foot strip along the west-
erly boundary of Queen Street in accordance with the Town
highway, requirements and when so improved and paved, dedi-
cate the same to the Town of Southotd.
Sa.
(added by Board of Appeals) Queen Street shall be im-
proved as far south as the southerly side of the entrance
to the K.O.A. campground but not beyond.
That the portion of the premises extending from a point
100' feet south of County Route 27 to a point 600 feet
south of County Route 27 be restricted to open recrea-
tional uses with no structures constructed thereon.
6a. The Board of Appeals, after consultation with the Town
Board, construes the prohibition against structures to
not prohibit fencing such as fencing which may bound the
property; suitable fencing for recreational facilities
such as tennis, baseball, and other recreational uses;
small storage structures for recreational equipment.
The westerly border of the applicant's property shall be
fenced with a 6 foot, ~hain link fence or equivalent as
far south as land of Village of Greenport, at which point
Condition #2 becomes applicable.
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That any use of said premises as a campground as pro-
posed by Petitioners shall be on a seasonal basis only
for the period from April 1st to November 30th of each
year.
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~ha.t said premises be used only for the purpose, of op-
erating thereon campgrounds franchised by Kampgrou~ds of
America, Inc. in accordance with ail of the ordina~css,
laws and regulations of the Town of Sou~thold and other
authorities having jurisdiction thereof and~that no
buildings or structures shall be erected on the premises
nor shall the premises be used for any use except the
uses specified herein and uses accessory and incidental
thereto.
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July 22, 1976
CONDITION'S ADDED BY THE BOARD OFAPPEALS:
A condition of granting this special exception is that
the applicant's site plan shall meet all requirements
of the Tourist and Trailer camp .ordinance, which in-
cludes the requirement of a permit issued by the Town
Board. Among other things, minimum requirements under
this ordinance require camp sites shall be not less
than 50 x 100 feet in area located so as to be readily
a~cessible from roadways or driveways; constructed to
a minimum w£dth of 24 feet; constructed in accord with
Southold Town Highway specifications. No building
permits may be issued until all requirements of Town
ordinances have been met.
10.
A parking lot of at least 20,000 sq. ft. buitt to
Town Highway Department specifications adjacent to
the main administration building shall be provided.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:
Doyen.
Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen~ Hulse,
Twenty-one (21) Sign Renewals were reviewed and approved
as submitted.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the next meeting of the Southold Town Board
of Appeals be held at 7:30 P,M. (E;D.S.T.), Thursday, August 12,
1976, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Hutse, it was
RESOLVED,that a special meeting of the Southold Town Board
of Appeals be held at 11:00 A.M. (E.D.S.T.), Friday~ July 30,
1976 at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
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July 22, 1976
On motion by Mr. Hutse, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set
7:30 P.M. (E.D.S.T.)., Thursday, August 12, 1976 at the Town
Office,_Main Road, Southold, New York as the time and place
of re~sa~ing upon application of James W. Newell, Main Road,
Mattituck~ New York for a special exception in accordance with
the Zoning Ordinance, Article VII, Section 700, Subsection B-4,~
for permissi°n to operate an automobile repair shop (public
garage). Location of property: east side Main Road, Mattituck,
New York, bounded on north by L. Lindsay; east by F. Steiner
and others; south by C. Miller; west by Main Road (Route 25).
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hutse, Doyen.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Doyen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set
8:00 P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday~ August I2, t976 at'the Town
Office, Main Road, Southold, New York as the time and place
of hearing upon application of Walter W. Washburn, 1500 Bay
Avenue, East Marion, New York for a variance in accordance
with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 109-30 &
Bulk Schedule for permission to set off lot on private right-
of-way and approval of access. Location of property: right-
of-way, west side Bay Avenue, East Marion, New York bounded on
north by right-of-way; east by Traffica, Schmidt & others;
south by other land of applicant; west by Radford, Anderson &
others.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: z Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that th~ Southold Town Board of Appsa!s set
8:10 P.M. (E.D.S.T.),i-~rsday, August 12, t9~6 at the Town
Office, M~in Road, Southbld, New York as the time and place
upon hearing of application of Pinewood Landscaping a/c
Gianfranco Monacelli, Pettyi~~ Drive, Orient, New York for a
variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, A~ticle III,
Section 100-32 for permission to construct accessory building
in front yard area. Location of property: north side Petty's
Drive, Orient, New York; ~ap of Petty's Bight, Lot ~2, Orient, N.Y.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:
Hulse, Doyen
Messrs: Gilllspie, Bergen,
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July 22, 1976
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Gillispie, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set 8:20
P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, July 22, 1976 at the Town Office,
Main Road, Southold, New York as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Horace and Ruth Terry, 125 North Lakewood
Circle, Maitland 1, Florida (Irving L. Price, Jr., Attorney)
for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 100-30 and Bulk Schedule for permission to divide
lots with insufficient width and area, and approval of access.
Location of property: Private road off north side of Main Road,
Orient, New York, bounded on the north by DiLorenzo; east by
Conroy; south by Stephenson; west by Long Island Sound.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set
8:30 P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, August 12, 1976 at the Town
Office, Main Road, Southold, New York as the time and place
of hearing upon application of John E. Rempe, 676 Bayshore
Road, Greenport, New York for a special exception in accordance
with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 C (6f)
for permission to erect off-premises directional sign. Lo-
cation of property: Main Road and Kerwin Boulevard, Arsha-
momaque, New York; Map of Peconic Bay Estates, Lot ~178.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:
Hulse, Doyen.
Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
On motion by Mr. Doyen, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals sst
8:40 P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, August 12, 1976 at the Town
0ffice,~ Ma~n Road, Southold, New York as %he time andiplace
of'h~aring upon application of John zazecki, Main Road, Southold,
New York f°r a v~iance in acCordanCe With the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Section 100-30 and Buik Schedule for permission
to set off a lot %rith insufficient width. Location of property:
South side Main Road, Willow Hill, Southold, New York, bounded
on north by Main Road; east by Schmitt; south by Milford;
west by other land of applicant.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: - Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Hulse, Doyen.
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The secretary was instructed to write Howard Terry, Building
Inspector, and ask him to investigate the property of James W.
Newell to determine whether or not Mr. Newell is in violation
of the action dated June 7, 1973.
The meeting was adjourned at 10:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Mary ~. Dawson
Secretary
APPROVED
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