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SOUTHOLD, L. i., N.Y. 119~71-
Telephone 765~5t50
APPEAL BOARD
MEMBER
Robert W. Gillispi¢, Jr., Chairman
Robert Bergen
Charles Grisoni% Jr.
S¢r5'¢ Doyen, Jr.
Fred Huls¢, Jr.
MINUTES
Southold Town Board of Appeals
August 14, 1975
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Board of Appeals
was held at 7:30 P.M. (E.D.S.T.), Thursday, August 14, 1975,
at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New-York.
There were present: Messrs: Robert W. Gillispie, Jr.,
Chairman; Robert Bergen; Fred Hulse, Jr.; Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Absent: Mr. Serge Doyen, Jr.
Also present: Steve Katz, Long Island Traveler-Mattituck
Watchman, and a representative from the Suffolk Weekly Times.
A public hearing on the following appeal was held on
July 24, 1975. Decision was postponed, at that time, until
7:30 P.M., August 14, 1975.
"PUBLIC HEARING~ Appeal No. 2065 - 8:30 P.M~ (E.D.S.T.)
upon application of Stephen F. Griffing, Jr., Esq. a/c Anna
Lor~a, First Street, New Suffolk, New York, for a variance
in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section
100-30 for permission to use land for parking. Location of
property: east Side First Street, New Suffolk, N. Y., bounded
on the north by A. Levesque & Wf.; on the east by Peconic Bay;
south by now or formerly A. Wood; west by First Street. Fee
paid $15.00.
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
the applicant requests permi~sionz~ to use land at E/S First
Street, New Suffolk, N. Y. for parking purposes in conjunction
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with his business. The Board finds that the applicant needs
this additional parking for his business and that applicant
has greatly improved the lot under application. The Board
is of the opinion that this would assist in the management
of traffic in this area.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property
and in the same use district; and the variance will not
change the character of the neighborhood, and will observe
the spirit of the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Berger, it was
RESOLVED, Stephen F. Griffing, Jr., Esq. a/c Anna Loria,
First Street, New Suffolk, New York, be GRANTED permission to
use land for parking, as applied for on property located on
east side of First Street, New Suffolk, N. Y., subject to
the following conditions:
(1) THat a buffer zone of ten (10) feet be provided
on the northerly boundary.
(2) That the proper barriers be provided to assure
that the ten (10) ft. buffer is implemented.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2069 - 7:50 P.M. (E.D.S.T.),
upon application of A. John & Margaret J. Gada, Esquestrian
Awenue, Fishers Island, New York for a variance in accordance
with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 A and
Bulk Schedule for permission to divide premises with insufficient
width and area. Location of property: north side of Winthrop
Drive, Fishers Island, New York, bounded on the north by F. Rauch
& Others; east by Equestrian Avenue; south by Winthrop Drive;
west by R. Waddington. Fee paid $15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavits attesting
to its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to
the applicant.
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THE CHAIRFiAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to
speak for this application?
(There was no response.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak
against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests permission to divide property with in-
sufficient area and width. The Board agrees with the reasoning
of the applicant. These lots were purchased as single and
separate parcels~ The adjoining lots and other lots in the
neighborhood are of similar and smaller size.
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by all
properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property
and in the same use district; and the variance will not change
the character of the neighborhood, and will observe the spirit
of the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED, A. John & Margaret J. Gada, Equestrian Avenue,
Fishers Island, New York, be GRANTED permission to divide
premises with insufficient width and area, as applied for on
property located at the north side of Winthrop Drive, Fishers
Island, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2070 - 8:00 P.M. (E.D.S.T~),
upon application of Muriel A. Nielsen, Birch RoaA, Southold,
New York for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Town Law Section 280A, for approval of access. Location of
property: east side Kenneys Road, Sou%hold, New York, bounded
On the north by Joseph Wheeler; east by Helen Conway; south
by Joseph Wheeler; west by John Pierre. Fee.paid $15.00.
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The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the applica-
tion for approval of access, legal notice of hearing,
affidavits attesting to its publication in the official
newspapers, and notice to the applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is~there anyone present who wishes
to speak for this application?
(There was no response.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to
speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests approval of access for property located
off east side of Kenneys Road, Southold, New. York. The.
Board recommends approval of improved right-of-way access
for this application only. This approval is not to imply
approval for Conway's lot to the east. The Board agrees
with the reasoning of.the applicant.
The Board finds that strict application of the
Ordinance would produce practical difficulties or un-
necessary hardship; the hardship created is unique and
would not be shared by all properties alike in the
immediate vicinity of this property and in the same use
district; and the variance will not change the character
of the neighborhood, and will observe the spirit of the
Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Grigonis, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED, Muriel A. Nielsen, Birch Road, Southold, New
York, be GP~NTED approval of access for property located
off east side 'of Kenneys Road, Southold, New York, as applied
for, subject to the following conditions:
(1)
That this right-of-way be cleared to a width of
fifteen (15) feet and topsoil be removed to a
depth of six (6) inches and replaced with bank run.
(2) The improvement of this right-of-way shall be
subject to the approval of the Building Department.
(3) The approval of thSs application does not imply
approval of access for Conway's lot to the east.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
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The Board was presented with Message from Gary F. Olsen,
Esq. dated july 31, 1975 requesting opinion of interpretation
of Zoning Ordinance for his client, Brian Sheehan, together
with statement of Mr. Sheehan, which follows:
"My plans for the 3 1/2 acre piece of land on which
I presently have a binder include building a home
and raising my family of four.
Further, I intend to be as self-sufficient as possible.
I will have a rather extensive garden--to include
various vegetables, berries, fruit, and nut trees.
Also, it is my wish to raise all the meat my family
consumes. The maximum number of animals I can forsee
raising during any one year period is:
four steers (some used as veal)
four lambs (not to maturity)
six pigs (not to maturity)
one goat (for milking)
a .hundred chickens (all but a dozen for not
more than sixteen weeks)
six mature rabbits (the young not being kept
for more than sixteen weeks)
Ail of the animals will be provided with shelters and
fenced-in areas~
/s/ Brian Sheehan
This matter was referred to the Town Attorney for his
opinion. The Chairman read letter received from Town Attorney
dated August 8, 1975 (copy in file~i Mr. Olsen, attorney for
Mr. Sheehan, requested that the Board of Appeals give him a
formal opinion in writing because his client, Mr. Sheehan,
wan-ted to be sure that he could use the property as planned.
before signing a contract to purchase the property. The
Chairman dictated the following letter to be sent to Gary
F. Olsen, Esq.
Dated: August 18, 1975
Gary F. Olsen, Esq. a/c Brian Sheehan
P. O. Box 38, Main Road
Mattituck, New York 11952
(cont'd page 6)
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Re: Sheehan Request for opinion
File ~1655
Dear Mr. Olsen:
In reply to your message of July 31, 1975 with attached
letter from prospective purchaser of 3 1/2 acre mini-estate
who lists the following animals which he proposes to raise
during any one (1) year period:
Four (~) Steers (some used as veal)
Four (41 Lambs (not to maturity)
Six (6) Pigs (not to maturity)
One (1) Goat (for milking)
One Hundred (100) Chickens (all but a dozen for not more
than sixteen weeks)
Six (6) Mature Rabbits (the young not being kept for
more than sixteen weeks)
Our interpretation of the Zoning Ordinance, based on
Town Counsel's letter of August 8, 1975, is that this type
of animal husbandry on this location in the "A" Residential-
Agricultural District would be legal.
Yours truly,
RWG:mm
/s/ Robert W. Gillispie, Jr.
Chairman
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2071 - 8:15 P.M. (E~D.S.T.)
upon application of Gary, S. Olsen, Esq. a/c Harold T. Carr,
Jr. and Alice M.. Carr, Maratooka Road, ~attituck, New York
for a variance in accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Section 100-31 and Bulk Schedule to divide
premises with insufficient width and area. Location of
property: Maratooka Road, Mattituck, New York, bounded on
the north by J. Hamilton; east by T. Darsaklis; south by
other land of applicant; west by Maratooka Road. Fee paid
$15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavits attesting
to its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to
the applicant.
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THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to
speak for this application?
GARY F. OLSEN, ESQ.: Yes, my name is Gary Olsen. I am
the attorney for the applicants, Harold and Alice Carr. The
applicants purchased the parcel on white,their house is
presently situated. It is approximately 25,000 sq. ft. - 100~
by 25:0' deep. They obtained a building permit for that parcel
and their house is situated on that piece. They, also, then
purchased a parcel from Marjorie Wickham which is the piece
in question, which is about 12,500 sq. ft. Their intention
when they purchased that piece was to have it available some
day for a member of their family. Their son, Robin, who is
present at this hearing, is now in a position where he would
like to put a house on that parcel but because of the fact
that both pieces are in common ownership (there is a merger
between the two pieces) a variance is necessary. The Deed
for the 12,500 sq. ft. parcel sets forth certain covenants
and restrictions which have since terminated. They terminated
in January 1973 but if you read on it says "no building
other than the one family dwelling shall be erected on the
property". The intention set forth in the Deed indicates
that it was intended to be used as a building parcel.
THE CHAIRMAN: How long ago was this?
GARY OLSEN, ESQ.: Well, unfortunately, I didn't represent
the Carrs at the time they purchased the property but the Deed
was in November 1967. William Wickham represented the Carrs
or maybe Marjorie Wickham, I don't really know. Mr~ Cart
couldn't find his Deed to the house and he asked Mr. Wickham
to send me a copy of it. Fortunately, it is the same Deed
that I already had a copy of. I didn't notice it until I
came here tonight. I don,t know when it was purchased but I
think the point is that if the 12,500 sq. ft. had been either
retaihed by Marjorie Wickham or if it had been conveyed to
anyone other than Harold and Alice Carr, or even to Harold
or Alice Carr, the Building Department would issue a building
permit for a single, one family, residence on that piece. They
would be required by law to issue a Building Permit on the
basis of single and separate ownership.
THE CHAIRMAN: When was this parcel purchased, Mr. Carr?
MR. ROBIN CARR: I don't know.
THE CHAIRMAN: Was it after zoning?
MR. ROBIN CARR: Well, yes, I would say that it was.
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GARY OLSEN, ESQ.: The Hamilton piece, which is to the
north, is approximately the same size; it is a little bit
bigger because it is a corner piece and has a triangular
shape. The Darsaklis's is approximately the same size. Ira
Tuthill's parcel to the south conforms in size and shape.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is that across the street?
MR. OLSEN: No, it is to the south. Here is a copy of
the tax map which shows the size of the parcels in the
surrounding area.
MR. HOWARD TERRY, Building Inspector: Carr built his
house in 1966.
MR. OLSEN: So, he bought the lot some time before 196~.
If Marjorie Wickham or anyone else had sought a building
permit, it would have been granted on.the basis of single and
separate ownership. Their only intention in buying this
property, as I understand it, was to have a piece available
for a member of the family in the future, and now the time
has come and their son, Robin, would like to build a house
next to his parents. Also, the Town Assessors office does
issue two separate tax bills, so, for taxing purposes, it is
two separate pieces.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does anyone else wish to speak for this
application?
(There was no response.)
THE C~LAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to
speak against this application?
MR. J~HN HAMILTON: Yes, my name is John Hamilton; we are
to the north of the Carr property. We are opposed to the sub-
division of the property. Building a house on the property,
as proposed, wou~ld make it look more like a development. It
will t~ke away from the area. There is now one acre zoning in
the Town of Southold and this is substantially smaller than that.
I question the distance of the Carr's house, which is on the
property right now, from the proposed property line. I also
question the distance of cesspools in the area. You are supposed
to be 100 feet from a neighboring well. Mine is located on the
southeast portion of my property. I don't know where Mr. Carr's
cesspool is. Within the last two years, five pools have been
pumped in the neighborhood.
THE CHAIRMAN: Cesspools are outside of our authority.
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MR. HAMILTON: I think they have to be 100 feet apart.
THE CHAIRMAN: I think the Town is condemned to 12,500
square foot zoning in areas where there are old lots left.
There is no way.that it could conform to the 40,000 sq. ft.
regulation, none of these places could. The court decisions
give little weight to these area variances. In other words,
you can't keep someone out because the area is small. Also,
in this type of situation we usually h~ve to grant the
application. Arbitrarily making the lot size 40,000 sq. ft.
minimum would not help the Town of Southold; not in these
areas that are all built up. The community has been here for
hundreds of years. Similar areas have grown in a haphazard way
with lots of 50 foot width. In this type of situation we
usually have to go with the applicant. It could have been
sold to someone else and they could have built upon it. I don't
really think this is pertinent.
MR. HAMILTON: I would like to ask the Board to reserve
decision so that they can look the area over and consider where
a house could be built on it.
THE CHAIRMAN: We inspected the premises yesterday. There
are hundreds of hous~ in the Town that are built on that size
lot or smallsr. Is there anyone else who would like to speak
against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that the
applicant requests permission to set off lot with insufficient
width and area. The applicant has a separate Deed for this
parcel which was purchased after the construction of his house
on the adjoining parcel. There are lots of similar size,or
smaller,in this area with houses built upon them. The Board
agrees with the reasoning of the applicant.
The Board finds that strict application of tke Ordinance
would produce practi~.al difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is unique and would not be shared by
all properties alike in the immediate vicinity of this property
and in the same use district; and the variance will not change
the character of the neighborhood, and will observe the spirit
of the Ordinance.
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On motion by. Mr. Gitlispie, seconded by Mr. Grigonis, it was
RESOLVED, Gary F. Olsen, Esq. a/c Harold T. Carr, Jr. and
Alice M. Carr, Maratooka Road, Mattituck, New York, be GRANTED
permission to divide premises with insufficient width and area,
as applied for, on property loca~'~ a~ Maratooka Road,
Mattituck, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Board of
Appeals dated July 24, 1975 be approved as submitted.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
The Chairman read letter dated August 5, 1975 from the
United Fire Co. No. 1, Cutchogue Fire Department, requesting
permission to display posters for their annual chicken barbecue.
On motion by Mr. Grlgonis, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED, that United Fire Co. No. 1, Cutchogue Fire
Department, Cutchogue, N. Y. be GRANTED permission to display
posters for their Annual Chicken Barbecue to be held on Saturday,
August 23rd, at Cutchogue, subject to the following condition:
That the posters ma~ be displayed two weeks prior to
~he event, and shalll be removed one week after the event.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Giltispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
The Chairman read l~tter received from Mr. Edward Hindermann,
Southold Town Building Ihspector, dated August 5, 1975, together
with copy of Order to Remedy Violation sent ~o Louis Getof~,
1475 Waterview Drive, So~th01d, Ni Y. weather shelter does not
meet requirements of Boand of Appeals - variance ~ranted November
29, 1974, Appeal No. 1854, subject to conditions: (1) That the
shelter be placed at least 5 feet from any property line on the
north side of Waterview Drive. (2) It is further understood
that this is a temporary permission subject to being rescinded
at any time in the future. The Board finds that the shelter has
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never been completed and
The Chairman instructed
Getoff advising him that
of the variance before S
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it is one (1) foot over the property line.
the secretary to send a letter to Mr.
he must comply with the conditions
~ptember 1, 1975 or permisSion for
variance will be rescindsd at the next Board of Appeals meeting
to be held on September 4, 1975.
PUBLIC HEARING: Appeal No. 2072 - 8:25 P.M. (E~D.S.T.)
upon application of George & Grace Leone, 101 Coleman Street,
New London, Connecticut ~or a variance i~ accordance with the
Zoning Ordinance, ArticlD III, Section 100-30 A & Bulk Schedule
for permission to se~ of~ lot with insufficient width and area.
LoCation Of property: N~S Oriental Avenue, Fishers Island,
N. Y., bounded on the north by O. Horn; east by O. Horn & Ano.;
south by Oriental Avenue; west by R.O.W. - Thurrott-Emmot.
Fee paid $15.00.
The Chairman opened the hearing by reading the application
for a variance, legal notice of hearing, affidavits attesting
to its publication in the official newspapers, and notice to
the applicant.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is~there anyone present who wishes to
speak for this application?
(There was no response.)
THE CHAIRMAN: How does he want to sell this?
MR. HOWARD TERRY, B~ilding Inspector: Just as it's shown
on the map.'
THE CHAIRMAN: .64 acre and.50 acre.
MR. TERRY: These are two relatives. Leone's mother was
Otis ~Horn's mother,in-la~, and she died and now they are trying
to Settle the affairs. ~his is how it all came about. This
is the way they~have divided it'because this is the way the
people outside of the family want to buy it.
THE CHAIRMAN: Are they going to keep any of it?
MR. TERRY: Yes. Otis Horn is going to get the .50 acre
to add to his property. The part they are selling off has a
little old house on it, it is .64 acre.
THE CHAIRMAN: He has a description here that we can use.
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THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone present who wishes to
speak against this application?
(There was no response.)
After investigation and inspection the Board finds that
applicant requests permission to set off lot with insufficient
width and area on the north side of Oriental A~enue, Fishers
Island, New York. The t~ree adjacent lots to the west are the
same size or smaller tha~ the applicant proposes to create
The Board agrees with the reasoning of t~e applicant. '
The Board finds that strict application of the Ordinance
would produce practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship;
the hardship created is ~nique and would not be shared by
all prperties alike in t~e immediate vicinity off'his property
and in the same use district; and the variance will not change
the character of the neighborhood, and will observe the spirit
of the Ordinance.
On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Bergen, it was
RESOLVED, George an¢ Grace Leone, 101 Coleman Street,
New London, Connecticut, be GRANTED permission to set off
lot with insufficient width and area, as apPlied for, on
p operty located at the north side of Oriental Avenue, Fishers
Island, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:, Gillispie, Bergen, Grigonis,
Hulse.
Mr. Nicholas Aliano appeared before the Board for an
informal discussion regarding signs for his b.usiness "The
Beachcomber Motel"
On motion by Mr~ Bergen, seconded by Mr. Hu!se, it was.
RESOLVED that the Squthold! Town Board of Appeals set
7:30 P.M. (E.D.S.~T.), ThUrsday, S~ptember 4, 1975, for a
rehearing.of Appeal No. 2064, Pond Enterprises, Inc. d/b/a
The Beachcomber Motel.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
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on motion by Mr. Hu~se, seconded by Mr. Bergen~ it was
RESOLVED that the n~xt regular meeting of the Southold
Town Board of Appeals shall be held at 7:30 P.M. (E~D.'S.T.),
Thursday, September 4, 1!~75, at the Town Office, Main Road,
Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board:
Grigonis, Hulse.
The Chairman read 1
Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
tter from the Suffolk County Planning
Commission with regard t(. Amended Suffolk County Charter which
provides for 45 days within which the Suffolk County Planning
Commission may set forth determinations on zoning and subdivision
referrals.
Four (4) Sign Renewals were reviewed and approved as
submitted.
On motion by Mr. Bergen, seconded by Mr. Gillispie, it was
RESOLVED that the S¢
P.M. (E;D.$.T) for a Re~
Appeals on Appeal No. 20(
d/b/a The Beachcomber Mot
for a special'exception i
Article:III, Section 100-
uthold Town Board of Appeals set 7:!30
earing by resolution of the Board of
4, application of Pond Enterprises, Inc.
el, Depot Lane, Cutchogue, New York
n accordance with the Zoning Ordinance,
30 B (6f) for permission to erect
off-p~emises directional sign. Location of property: Property
of Nicholas Aliano, Southold, N. Y., bounded on the north by
Town of Southold & I. C. ILat~am; on the east by I. C. Latham &
R. Bayley; south by Middle Road (CR 27); west by Thomas Morris
& Ors. (Rehearing to be held at Town Office, Main Road', Southold).
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
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On motion by Mr. Gillispie, seconded by Mr. Hulse, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board of Appeals set
7:45 P.M. (E~D.S.T.), September 4, 1975, at the T~own Office,
Ma~ Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing
upon application of Paul K. and Thetma W. Daland, 186 Willow
Terrace Lane, Orient, New York for a variance in accordance
with the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 and Bulk
Schedule for permission to alter property line and lot size.
Location of property: Willow Terrace Lane, boundsd on the
north by D. Welch & Cooper; east by P. Weiden; south by P. Frey;
west by Orient Harbor.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Gillispie, Bergen,
Grigonis, Hulse.
Respectfully submitted,
PP/ OV£D
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Robert W. Gillispie, Jr., Chairman