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PUBLIC MEETING
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July 29, 2019
6:00 p.m.
Present were: Donald J. Wilcenski, Chairman
James H. Rich III, Vice-Chairman
Pierce Rafferty, Member
Mary Eisenstein, Member
Erica Bufkins, Planner Trainee
Jessica Michaelis, Office Assistant
SETTING OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Chairman Wilcenski: Good afternoon and welcome to the July 29, 2019 Planning
Board meeting. The first order of business for this meeting is for the Board to conduct a
Public Hearing for the new Southold Town Comprehensive Plan dated July 2019. The
format of this evening will be as follows: We will start with a PowerPoint presentation by
our Planning Staff and then we will have a Question and Answer period followed by a
comment period. The next step would be for the Planning Board, after this hearing, to
consider the comments made here tonight and decide on our recommendations of the
plan to the Town Board. Before we go any further, I would like to invite Supervisor,
Scott Russell to say a few words.
Supervisor Russell: Thanks, Don. First of all, I would like to welcome everybody and
thank you for coming. I especially want to thank the Planning Board and Planning Staff
for the years of work and dedication and commitment they put into this plan. It's
important to understand what a Master Plan or Comprehensive Maser Plan is. It's
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essentially three things: it's "Where have we been?" "Where are we now?" and "Where
do we want to be in the future?" It's a guide to future decision making. It's also
important to understand that this Comprehensive Plan has been an integrated part of
the town's decision making since it started. Hamlets — make all the recommendations,
things — most of the recommendations and suggestions to us have been implemented
as a result of this input. We have basically incorporated a lot of the considerations into
code changes that we have made. It's also important to make sure that people
understand that the Comprehensive Master Plan — all thirteen chapters — ranging in
issues from Economic Development to Housing to Land Preservation to Agriculture was
basically created using past studies, past Hamlets they call the recommendations and a
variety of information — Demographic information, data that was pulled from the census
—.all of those things. The.one thing though, that a Comprehensive Master Plan is, it's a
public document. Without the unprecedented amount of public participation we've had
in this plan —without the public—there simply is no plan. This isn't our document, this
isn't our plan, this is your plan. There will be plenty of opportunity over the next several
weeks for the public to weigh in on this plan, this is one Hearing of the Planning Board,
but there will be several meetings scheduled over the next several weeks —you'll see
that on the website, you'll see it on channel 22, you'll see that in the local papers if we
don't already have those posted. With that, again, I want to thank the Planning Board,
thank the Planning staff and then I want to introduce our Director of Planning, Heather
Lanza.
Chairman Wilcenski: Thank you very much. Before we get started, I would also just
like to acknowledge a couple of people: Legislator Al Krupski is here and I believe I saw
Town Councilman Jim Dininzio. I'm not sure if there are any other Councilman or
Councilwoman here but if there are, please raise your hand. So we'll move on. I'd like to
ask our Planning Board to just make a quick opening statement or remark, Vice-
Chairman Jim Rich?
James H. Rich III: Thank you, Don. Good Evening and welcome to the planning Board
Public Hearing for the Southold Town Comp Plan. I would like to start by thanking the
many Southold residents who attended any of the 64 input meetings, those together
with task studies have been a building block for this meeting. Your input, suggestions
and valued comments were the driving force that allowed this plan to be home-grown
and generally not the product of paid consultants. The Planning Board, together with
our staff and several other key town employees have tried to produce — and I believe
have produced — an excellent Comp plan which will serve as a guide and building block
for the Town Policies and legislation moving forward. This plan in intended to be a
reason, non-partisan, forward-looking and thinking guide for the future of our town. The
plan does not change any kind of town laws, codes or current zoning of any piece of
property or parcel. The development process of this plan has involved many, many
meetings, much discussion and editing. Sometimes we agonize over a single word,
generally the less authoritative word we chose because it is an advisory document— of
a law. During this time it has been taken to produce this plan, the recession has ended
and the price of homes have rebounded, along with the job market. At the same time,
the effects of sea levels rise as a result of global warming have become terribly evident.
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We have also seen local school district enrollment decrease or decline. Hopefully this
Comp plan will guide the process of future planning for the town and the many issues
we face. Thank you.
Chairman Wilcenski: Thank you, Jim. Martin Sidor?
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Good to see everyone here. I'm going to ad-Iib here, I don't
have anything planned. My experience with this is exactly what the plan states:
Comprehensive. I have been involved in previous studies that have been used as
building blocks for this plan: the USUK task force in 1994 and the Blue Ribbon
Committee in 2002. The participation and workload in those committees pale in
comparison as far as what was put into this plan. Besides the 64 public meetings with
you, there must have been at least 100 meetings that we, the Planning board sat
together to interpret what was said, how we could put it down on paper and pass
something that would be credible as a service to all the people to participated in this
plan and I do believe we have succeeded. Thank you.
Chairman Wilcenski: Thank you, Martin. Pierce Rafferty?
Pierce Rafferty: So, I'm pleased to report that the initial reactions to the plan from
Fishers Island, although, not yet numerically large, have been quite positive and those
who reviewed it are fully engaged and have made suggestions to make it better. The
further good news is that all who've approached me have understood that this plan
provides sign posts — guide posts — and is not intended to be an imperative (Inaudible)
command oriented, to-do list. There's a confusion about that in some people's minds
initially but, at this point, people do understand that. I also have every expectation that
this plan will encourage and improve connectivity between Fishers Island, Southold's
most geographically remote hamlet and the full town — all the towns' hamlets, reminding
us at every turn of every chapter of shared goals,,shared problems, shared visions in
short of our communality.
Chairman Wilcenski: Thank you, Pierce. Mary Eisenstein?
Mary Eisenstein: Good Evening everyone. It has been my privilege this past year,
being on the Planning Board, to work with this fine Comprehensive Plan team to work
with brining the Comprehensive Plan to this stage. Thank you.
Chairman Wilcenski: Thank you, and I would also like to add that being born and
raised in Southold and living here my entire life — other than 4 years away at college —
I've always wanted to give back to my own community and get involved and this got me
involved. Not only this Planning Board, this Comp. Plan — as several other Planning
Board members have stated before —we put in a lot of time to this plan as well as the
townspeople, going through the Comp. Plan has been a tremendous learning
experience it's been a grass-roots effort by the Town of Southold and I commend all
people involved. People who've come out in support these efforts. It's really a grass-
roots effort. Also, I'd like to take a minute to say a special thanks to the Planning staff,
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for all their hard work they've been doing and it's been a pleasure working with all the
board members. Thank you.
Chairman Wilcenski: Okay. Now we'll get into the agenda, we'll have a short
presentation on the plan by Planning Director, Heather Lanza and Assistant Planning
Director, Mark Terry. They're going to go through a quick PowerPoint presentation
overview of the Plan itself.
Heather Lanza: Good Evening everyone. Our presentation is going to maybe backtrack
a little of what has already been said but we wanted to be comprehensive and providing
information about this new plan. We're going to explain the purpose of the plan and why
we need one, the process by which we created the plan, what you can expect to find in
it and the process to adopt and implement the plan.
A comprehensive plan is the culmination of a planning process that establishes the
official land use policy of a community, and presents goals and a vision for the future to
help guide decision making. The plan provides the backbone for zoning and land use
regulation. Having a well-considered plan ensures that forethought and planning
precede zoning amendments, new land use regulations, and future development.
Mark Terry: Prior to this document being drafted, the Town's Comprehensive Plan was
a compilation of several plans and the Town Code. The new plan consolidates the past
plans' goals to support an overall vision developed by the community. Having a new
comprehensive plan in a single document will make identifying the Town's goals easier
for everyone.
In 2009, the Southold Town Board, led by Supervisor Scott Russell, called for an update
to the Town's comprehensive plan and directed the Planning Board to draft the plan.
The goal was to keep it local and grounded. The first step was to create a vision
statement for the plan, using public input to ensure it was inclusive. The next steps
were to gather data, and consult previous plans and studies to develop an initial set of
goals for each chapter.
The Town has a wealth of knowledge in its staff and volunteer committees, and they
were a big part of creating this plan. For example, for our Human Services chapter, our
resident expert at Town Hall is Karen McLaughlin, and her expertise was invaluable in
drafting that chapter. For the agriculture chapter, the Agricultural Advisory Committee
provided guidance and input, and we also held a focus group meeting attended by over
60 farmers.
Where the Town did not have any in-house expertise, the Town Board hired experts to
assist. For example, the Transportation Chapter was drafted by a consulting firm with a
transportation engineer and related experts.
Heather Lanza: After we consulted the previous and existing plans and studies, and
our in-house experts, we then went out to the public for their input on a first draft. We
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completed one chapter at a time, beginning with the Economic Chapter in 2011. For
each chapter, we held a series of public input meetings at various times and locations
throughout the Town. To encourage as much participation as possible we advertised in
the local paper, posted flyers all over, did email blasts, and made radio announcements.
We posted the chapters online and had paper copies available in all libraries. We also
handed out copies at the public input meetings. Input on each chapter was collected at
the input meetings, and also through emails and letters. By the time we finished the last
chapter we had held a total of 64 public input meetings.
Every comment from the public input was reviewed and considered. We edited
chapters using the comments to add or change goals where appropriate. We let
everyone know how we used their input by publishing a list of all the comments for each
chapter on the Town website. This list included a response to each comment indicating
how it was used. You can find these lists of public input on the Town website.
Mark Terry: All of the chapters were completed-by September, 2018. Because some
chapters were completed much earlier, there were some with older data. To improve
this, all chapters and data were updated, wherever feasible, this past winter. During this
spring and early summer the Town worked on final edits and graphic design with a
consultant. This was funded by a grant from the state.
Adopting this plan will not change anyone's zoning and does not create any new
regulations. Any future zone changes or new regulations would follow the normal
procedure of the Town Board holding a public hearing'on any specific zone or code
changes.
Heather Lanza: This plan contains goals for the Town's future. The issues addressed
include traffic congestion, future development, affordable housing, our economy,
agriculture and many more.
There are 13 chapters in the plan. It begins with the more general topics of
demographics and land use, and graduates to more specific topics like economic
development and natural resources. Next, we will go through each chapter and
summarize the main goals.
Mark Terry: Chapter 1 contains the Vision Statement. This represents the desires and
aspirations of Town residents and business owners. The Vision guides the plan by
recognizing cherished assets such as the Town's quality of life, strong economy, natural
resources and the character of our communities.
Heather Lanza: Chapter 2 contains charts and tables of demographics for the Town.
These include information such as population trends, age distribution and housing
statistics. This helps inform the goals of the plan.
Chapter 3 - LAND USE & ZONING - reviews current land use and zoning, as well as
development rates for the Town. It also provides a projection of potential future growth.
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The first goal of the chapter is to update the Town Code to make it easier to use.
Another major goal is to update the zoning code. There are no specific locations
recommended for zone changes. Instead, this goal identifies the more general zoning
districts that need attention to make sure they remain in line with the Town's vision.
The end of the chapter contains a section for each hamlet, with hamlet-specific
statistics and goals.
Chapter 4 —TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE addresses traffic
congestion, pedestrian, cyclist and traffic safetyand parking in the hamlet centers.
It also addresses infrastructure, including improving the wireless cell carrier coverage.
Mark Terry: Chapter 5 - COMMUNITY CHARACTER - discusses the importance of
community character and its effect on the quality of life in the Town. One of the main
goals is to protect scenic resources and views. Both County Road 48 and State Route
25 are State-designated Scenic Byways. Another goal is to protect and enhance cultural
resources. These include our historic districts and museums. The third main goal is to
protect the natural heritage of the Town. Natural areas provide landscapes of
outstanding universal value in terms of ecology, conservation and natural beauty.
Chapter 6 — NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENT recognizes the town's
natural resources as among our most valuable assets. Managing our natural land and
water resources is necessary to sustain them into the future. The main goals for water
resources are to protect water quality, conserve the quantity of drinking water by
managing its use, andprotect freshwater and marine habitats.
The main goals for land resources include protect agricultural soils from erosion and
conversion to other uses, protect wildlife habitat, especially woodlands and trees,
conserve energy and use alternative energy sources including solar, and address
climate change and adapt to sea level rise.
Chapter 7 - ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT - includes goals that call for economic
development at a scale that fits in with the character of the Town. The main goals are to
facilitate the growth of existing businesses, encourage new businesses that are
appropriate for the Town and fit in with its character, promote stable and sustainable
jobs, and balance economic growth with quality of life.
Other goals include taking steps to make our downtowns more pedestrian friendly,
encouraging industries that support agriculture, and supporting and encouraging
maritime uses including recreational boating and fishing-related businesses.
Heather Lanza: Chapter 8 — HOUSING - addresses the need for affordable housing as
well as identifying housing needs for the future.
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Chapter 9 -AGRICULTURE — recognizes the business of agriculture as important to the
Town of Southold. This chapter identifies the goals to keep farming and farmland viable.
Chapter 10 — LAND PRESERVATION- addresses the importance of land preservation
to Southold residents and sets goals for continuing to protect land.
Mark Terry: Chapter 11 — HUMAN SERVICES - addresses the need to continue to
provide human services to foster community responsibility and social equity.
Chapter 12 - NATURAL HAZARDS - includes discussions on hurricanes, drought, and
other natural phenomena that can affect the public health and safety. This chapter
addresses the planning and preparation for natural hazards to protect the future safety
of the town.
Chapter 13 - PARKS AND RECREATION - provides an inventory of existing parks and
addresses the future recreation needs of the Town.
Heather Lanza: There will be two opportunities for the public to comment in person on
this draft plan. The first is this hearing, the second opportunity will be a Town Board
public hearing to be held later this year. In addition, you can submit your comments in
writing via email or letter.
The next step is for the Planning Board to recommend the plan to the Town Board,
possibly with edits based on public input.
In the coming weeks the Town Board will hold a series of informational meetings about
the plan. The purpose of the meetings will be to provide the public with more
information about the plan and the process to adopt the plan, and to give people an
opportunity to ask questions.
We have a handout with the dates of those meetings on the table in-the lobby.
After the informational meetings are completed, the Town Board will schedule their
public hearing on the plan.
The next step for the Town Board after that is to consider the public comments, and
decide whether the plan is ready for adoption.
After the Town Board adopts the plan, the really exciting part begins — implementation.
The first step of implementation is to set priorities. This plan contains many goals and
the Town Board will need to identify the most pressing needs of the Town to choose
which goals to pursue first.
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Once priorities are set, the Town can take action to implement the goals of the plan.
This action will be based on the priorities expressed by the community and also on
available funding and resources.
The new Comprehensive Plan is available online at the Town's website.
All the local libraries have copies of the plan to lend out.
You can also purchase a CD with the plan on it at the Town Clerk's office:
Mark Terry: We want to acknowledge all who have contributed to this plan, and thank
you to all the residents and others who made time to read the drafts and give us their
input. Thank you for being here.
The Southold Town Comprehensive Plan is a community plan developed by and for the
citizens of Southold. The plan is a living document and as the Town progresses there
will be new ideas incorporated into it that will influence how the Town will look in the
future. Your ideas are important and your involvement is welcome.
Heather Lanza: I'm very grateful to have had the opportunity to work on this plan.
What I loved the most were those 64 public input meetings where many of you helped
with this effort. I believe this plan is so important for the future of our town, and I'm
looking forward to the next steps where we get to take action.
Public Hearinq Continued by Court Reporter Jessica DiLallo
There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted`
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5 MARK TERRY, Assistant Town Planning Director
6 BRIAN CUMMINGS, Planner
7 ERICA BUFKINS, Planner Trainee
8 JESSICA MICHAELIS, Typist
9 WILLIAM DUFFY, Town Attorney
10 JOHN BURKE, Assistant Town Attorney
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1 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Good evening
2 everyone . Why don ' t we start from
3 either side . And if you would line
4 up, and we will begin the question
5 and answer period. Then we will go
6 into the comment period. So for
7 starters , does anyone have any
8 questions?
9 (No Response . )
10 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Okay . It ' s
11 over . So are you all here to make
12 comments? What about questions? Okay.
13 So if Louise would go to the podium,
14 state your name and then please ask your
15 question?
16 MS . HARRISON : Thank you very
17 much. My name is Louise Harrison. I
18 live in Peconic. And my question is
19 with regards to the living document
20 and update that would take place as
21 input is provided. If perhaps
22 Heather or Mark or Chair, would
23 explain the process for incorporating
24 input as we go along? And if that
25 requires public hearings and so
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1 forth? What the process is for it
2 to become and remain a living
3 document?
4 MS . LANZA: So we ' re calling it a
5 living document, what we did is work
6 right into the beginning of the plan,
7 the idea that the goals wouldn ' t
8 necessarily change, but you could add
9 objectives as you go along_ So the
10 plan can adapt over time . And you
11 wouldn' t necessarily -- goals haven ' t
12 changed, you wouldn ' t necessarily
13 have to do a hearing to add
14 implementation point . So an
15 objective or a course of action to
16 achieve a goal . And we also wrote it
17 in such as way, I am not sure if you
18 noticed, but every chapter starts
19 with Page 1 , because we want to be
20 able to take a chapter and if we want
21 to do an overhaul of it and do a
22 public hearing and a more formal, in
23 can happen each chapter individually.
24 Rather than going through a whole
25 other 9-10 years process . We don ' t
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1 ever want this to happen again .
2 MS . HARRISON : Right . Thank you
3 very much.
4 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Thank you,
5 Louise .
6 Anyone over here that has a
7 question, Mr . Carter?
8 MR. CARTER: Thank you. John
9 Carter, Mattituck. I have only been
10 here 25 years . My question is, if
11 the Town Board doesn' t adopt the
12 Comprehensive Plan, what becomes of
Y 13 this document?
14 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : My position
15 is, I don ' t see them not adopting it,
16 because it is such a broad basis of a
17 plan. That is what we are here
18 doing . We ' re setting up the basis .
19 Basic of a basic plan . And moving
20 forward, it ' s up to the people of
21 Southold Town and people like
22 yourselves and a Town Board to make
23 this decisions on where they go and
24 what changes they make to the plan .
25 MR. CARTER: But if it ' s not
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1 adopted by the Town Board, is it
2 anything more than a plan? A
3 recommendation?
4 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : I would say
5 that it is probably a recommendation
6 but I highly -- see highly unlikely that
7 it won ' t be at some point adopted.
8 MR. CARTER: Okay. Thank you very
9 much.
10 MS . WEXLER: Hi . Ellen Wexler,
11 Southold. Kind of a comment and then
12 a question at the end. The Nature
13 Conservancy recently wrote that in
14 the Northeast of the United States
15 deer over population is more of a
16 threat to our environment , then
17 climate change . Tom Ruinski, says
18 that we lost more of our under
19 storage . It ' s the worse he has ever
20 seen in the northeast . That he uses
21 out for an example of what will
22 happen up in New England. And he
23 calls us an Eco-Slum. If this
24 continues, and he recently said it ' s
25 getting worse because he did return
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1 here, there would be no ( Inaudible)
2 the invasive species have come in and
3 we ' re losing most of the native
4 trees . And we have lost a lot of the
5 animals . A side thing, also with
6 tick disease . That is part of the
7 over deer population . I was
8 wondering what experts were brought
9 in, perhaps White Buffalo or other
10 deer experts , to try and do something
11 in reducing the deer population. I
12 know the Town has been working on
13 hunting, but frankly, it ' s worse now
14 then it was 5 years ago . And they' re
15 not cutting down the deer population.
16 The deer population doubles every two
17 years . What is the environmental
18 damage of the deer over population is
19 really hardly mentioned in the plan
20 improvement .
21 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : We would like to
22 address that .
23 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : I can address
24 that . I can say that it ' s something that
25 we will add to the list of items that we
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1 will look into more as we pass this along
2 to the Town Board.
3 MS . WEXLER: If you need any experts
4 to work with, our group has worked with
5 some of the best in the country.
6 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: What is your
7 group, Ellen?
8 MS . WEXLER: We ' re the North Fork Deer
9 Management Alliance, although we started
10 now being upset with ticks and realizing
11 the connection. We have been working
12 with the County, the State and the
13 Governor . Everybody about this . So
14 yeah, we want to work with Town.
15 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Excuse me, Ellen .
16 Mr . Sidor wants to say something .
17 MEMBER SIDOR: And also, I think
18 it ' s mentioned in the agricultural
19 section, in that it ' s proliferated as
20 far as the damage and the products
21 that have grown out in the field. So
22 I think it has been mentioned here
23 and we are well aware of what the
24 problem they have been causing .
25 MS . WEXLER: I think it ' s effecting
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1 the water quality also .
2 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Thank you very
3 much.
4 MR. SCHWARTZ : If I may, brief,
5 but three part question . It ' s stated
6 that this plan is not going to change
7 any of the zoning . And it ' s not
8 going to change any other part of our
9 Town Code . Just the laws and the
10 chapters . My question is that
11 regard, what will this plan change?
12 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : So your question
13 is , what will the plan actually --
14 MR. SCHWARTZ : If I may, let me
15 finish all three and I think it may be
16 easier if somebody has an answer for
17 anything . So what will this plan
18 change? You can remember that; right?
19 The other part of the question is , the
20 name of the current draft of all of the
21 sections, which were -- we ' re calling it
22 the Final Draft, and that confuses me .
23 And in particular, I would like to know
24 what opportunities and what potential
25 there is for changing the final nature of
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1 the draft, before it becomes a final
2 plan? And the third part is, I think you
3 -- one of the things that you need to
4 change is to directly address
5 expressively in the plan, how and when,
6 even if it adopted and finalized, how it
7 will be reviewed and when it will be
8 reviewed? I think that is one of the
9 requirements to adopt a --
10 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : What is that last
11 question then?
12 MR. SCHWARTZ : Is there anything in
13 the plan itself that specifically
14 provides for revision after if it is
15 adopted?
16 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Heather, do you
17 want to take the last question, first?
18 MS . LANZA: Well, if I understand
19 the question correctly and correct me
20 if I am wrong, you' re saying, does
21 the plan say when to revise it or how
22 to revise it?
23 MR. SCHWARTZ : Like some plans
24 will say, ten years from now there
25 will be a process --
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1 MS . LANZA: This plan doesn ' t have
2 that . What it has is a description,
3 it ' s in the introduction of how it
4 will be updated. Not specifically,
5 because we wanted to leave it a
6 little bit open, flexible and
7 adaptable . So it will be updated as
8 we go along . As conditions need to
9 be updated. It could be updated
10 chapter by chapter or goal by goal,
11 or even objective by objective .
12 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Does that answer
13 your last question?
14 MR. SCHWARTZ : Well, that ' s an answer .
15 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: And then the first
16 question that you had --
17 MR. SCHWARTZ : Is this a final plan or
18 is this a draft or what changes, if any,
19 do you anticipate prior to becoming --
20 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Well, with all
21 the upcoming meetings and whatever we
22 hear here tonight, they will be or can be
23 implemented into the plan . So a final,
24 final draft, we call it a final draft,
25 because we ' re finished doing our work.
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1 We got the baseline set . We set the
2 baseline for this living document .
3 And now it ' s up to the Town ' s people
4 and the Town Board to implement any
5 of the objectives that are in the
6 plan.
7 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: And is that
8 when the plan becomes permanent and
9 they remove the word, final and the
10 Town Board adopts it; correct?
11 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Correct, when
12 the Town Board adopts the Comprehensive
13 Plan . That will be at the public
14 hearing, after we have a series about
15 four or five or six weeks of more
16 informational meetings coming up .
17 MR. SCHWARTZ : Mark, do you want to
18 add to the first part, what does this
19 plan or what will this plan change?
20 MEMBER SIDOR: I will take a plan
21 at adopting that . This plan does not
22 change any zoning laws . It doesn ' t
23 change any of the specific parcels of
24 zoning . It makes some
25 recommendations about housing size
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1 and lot coverage is mentioned in
2 there . There is a lot of these
3 things in this plan that we feel
4 should be, could be done, but it ' s
5 not -- as an Advisory Board, it ' s not
6 a place . It ' s a building block.
7 It ' s not positioned or our place to
8 create legislation and change zoning.
9 So for that reason, the Town Board is
10 going to have to make and look at
11 this plan, and they' re going to have
12 to prioritize and decide how and
13 where they want to approach it, and
14 make adjustment to the code, based on
15 this plan.
16 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Have your answers
17 been --
18 MR_ SCHWARTZ : I don ' t agree with
19 that . I don ' t think it answered my
20 question.
21 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Which is which
22 question?
23 MR. SCHWARTZ : Which is what will this
24 plan, if adopted, what will be the change
25 that it creates in what we have right
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1 now? It ' s being called an Update . I
2 question that also, but you know, I think
3 we should have an official Comprehensive
4 Plan, but I think it should be one that
5 looks at the future, as opposed to
6 preserving the past . And I would like to
7 hear from the Planning bepartment and the
8 Town Board, and whoever is involved in
9 creating this plan, what do they envision
10 change for the future? How the Town of
11 Southold will be impacted by adopting
12 this plan, as opposed to if the plan is
13 not adopted, like the last two weren ' t
14 and when it becomes one of the plans and
15 not the official Comprehensive Plan.
16 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : So Benjamin, thank
17 you for that question. And so, the
18 answer to that question, your asking for
19 the final process and you would like to
20 -- some member of the Board or the staff
21 to give something specific, is that what
22 I am hearing you say?
23 MR. SCHWARTZ : Specific or general
24 or --
25 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: General --
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ : So far I hear what
2 it doesn ' t change . I want to know what
3 it does .
4 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Okay . Great .
5 Thank you. Would someone like to address
6 that? What will it change?
7 MS . LANZA: I will take a shot at
8 that . I think what I am hearing you
9 say, what is different from this
10 plan, as well as the -- what are we
11 going to do differently; is that part
12 of your question?
13 MR. SCHWARTZ : Yes .
14 MS . LANZA: I think what is
15 different with this plan is, we built
16 into the process of prioritization .
17 So once the plan is adopted, we built
18 -- you may not know, but we did get a
19 sizable grant to help us finish this
20 plan. That is why it looks so nice .
21 We had a professional editor help us,
22 and we also built into this grant, a
23 prioritization process . Where we
24 take the goals and we prioritize what
25 are the pressing needs of the
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1 - community. Hopefully-, we go out to
2 - the community and -we -get those
3 pressing needs . And I think that
4 prioritization process is going to
5 - -help organize how we actually
6 progress and move this plan. Rather
7 than just going on a shelf . So that
8 - i-s what I think is one of the big
9 differences .
10 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Thank you,
11 - Heather. If you have a question, please
12 go up to the podium, state your name and
13 ask your question .
14 - MS . GALLO: My name is Linda
1-5 Ga11o . I am from Mattituck. I admit
16 I have not read the Comprehensive
-17 . -Plan- I will -read -it- -I am a -summer
18 - resident _ -So I am here three or four
19 months out of the year . I tried to
20 . get involved as much as I can. I
21 - would like an explanation, like the
22 previous gentleman about some things .
23 So you say this process started in
24 - 2009 and 10 years later, we ' re having
25 a meeting about a Comprehensive Plan .
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1 - Can someone just briefly tell me why
2 - -it -took 10 -yea-rs to -get h-e-re? That
3 is one of my questions .
4 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Who wants to take
5 - a shot at that?
6 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : We did this
7 in-house the most part . Only three
8 - chapters were out--sourced. So it took a
9 lot of time and it was done by our staff
10 and the five of us that are here,
11 - involved in several meetings over several
12 years .
13 MS . GALLO : My concern is , in ten
14 . years-, so much has chang-ed-. And I am
1-5 - assuming as part of the living
16 document, as you ' re calling it, that
17 - over those ten years., you obviously
18 - have had to revisit it because what
19 you decided in 2009 you wouldn ' t
20 necessarily decide today --
21 - -CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : In late 2018 into
22 the early 2019, we reviewed all the
23 chapters . They were all updated and
2-4 - br-ought up to speed. Some of the
25 demographics are still outdated because
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1 - we got them from government-, census
2 bureau. So some of -the demographics -a-re
3 a little bit outdated but will be
4 updated. But that should answer your
5 - question.
6 MS . GALLO: And to build on that, if
7 you wouldn ' t mind, that ' s it . I promise .
8 - If I under-stand correctly, because I am
9 missing a couple of pieces, like the last
10 gentleman, what this document is , this is
11 - an attempt by the Town of Southold to get
12 an understanding of what the needs of
13 this community are and -- so by adopting
14 - this Comprehensive Plan-, you will be
1-5 - identifying the needs that the populous
16 has informed you what we ' re going to need
17 going forward2 So this is your list of
18 - things and you ' re analyzing every single
19 bucket you can think of to analyze . So
20 - this document will be adopted by you and
21 - you send it to the Town of Southold to
22 adopt or not . And if they adopt it , does
23 that mean that they agree -- they will be
24 - agreeing that these are the things that
25 our community needs going forward and
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1 _ that they will therefore try to
2 - -implement chan-ge-s based on th-i-s
3 Comprehensive Plan? This is what we
4 need and each individual Town has to
5 - figure out a way how to meet those
6 changes? Is that clear?
7 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : It ' s close .
8 - First of all --- once we get down with
9 our hearings, we recommend -- and our
10 findings , we recommend this to the Board.
11 - Our Town Board adopts . And that is a big
12 difference .
13 MS . GALLO : So you vote to say, yeah,
14 let ' s send it to the Town?
1-5 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : And they would go
16 through, which we ' re going to be going
17 . through ove-r the next month s.evex_a1
18 - informational meetings with more question
19 and answer periods, in order to -- and
20 then ultimately update any information
21 - that we can. -Find if there are any
22 mistakes and then it ' s adopted by the
23 Town Board. And at that point, it goes
24 - back to what we discussed earlier . It
25 comes down to the Town Board and the
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1 - Town ' s people to come together and find
2 - out -wh-at are the major -items of concern
3 and the items that the Town Board want
4 to handle .
5 - MS . GALLO-: And that is somethi-ng that
6 can be legislated?
7 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : It ' s kind of
8 - broad in some aspects of the zoning
9 because it could be something that comes
10 about give years from now that is not
11 recognized as an objective . Thank you .
12 MR. RONSON : From Southold. When
13 you say you prioritize, you ' re
14 . talking about each Chapter you
13 - prioritize the needs or you
16 prioritize the needs per chapter?
17 - -MS . LANZA: When we were t-alking
18 - about prioritizing, we were talking
19 about prioritizing what would happen
20 after the plan is adopted. Say there
21 - is 50 goals in the plan -- there is
22 probably more than that . After the
23 plan is adopted, the next step is to
24 - prioritize those goals and which to
25 be started first .
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1 MR. RONSON : And I think the plan
2 - 1s -an excellent source -material and
3 scope . My question is, is there a
4 _ timeline in the plan for this
5 - implementation -because it would seem
6 to me that some of the matters are
7 extremely important and the urgency,
8 - I don' t feel is there .
9 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : That would be up
10 to the Town Board.
11 - MR. RONSON: There is no timeline in
12 the plan. In other words, we believe
13 that not should be adopted by two years
14 - or four years-, three years.. This is the
1-5 - most important thing that should -be
16 adopted?
17 C HAI RMAN W_I L CEN SKI : The p1-an -is to be
18 - adopted sooner than later .
19 MR. RONSON : The action based on the
20 . plan -- when the Town Board has decided
21 - that yes , this is the Comprehensive Plan
22 that we want, is there a timeline in
23 there implementing some or all of the
2-4 - sugg-e-sti-ons --
25 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : I think that is
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1 _ Town Board question .
2 MR. RONSON: So there -i-s no
3 timeline .
4 _ MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Thank you.
5 - Another question. State your name and
6 then your question.
7 MS . TRAVIS : Althea Travis from
8 - Laurel . The -- some of my que-stions
9 come about because of the site and
10 home where I live . And that sets the
11 - turf for my questions . When we first
12 moved here, we knew that we were
13 buying a historic property. We had
14 - some-body -come who had the same --
1-5 - information that the lady spoke of
16 before . There was very little
17 - history of the -forest_. .At that point
18 in time, it was about 12 years ago,
19 they said only 50 of what was on the
20 priority was native . That maybe a
21 - conservative effort to restore
22 ( Inaudible) plants and of that
23 nature, and restoring the native
24 - trees . I did not hear anything -- I
25 have not read the plan, but I have
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1 - not heard anything of the plan that
2 - would b-ro-aden out -an-y h-i-staric-al
3 plantings . And encourage that as
4 part of a Town plan .
5 - -MEMBER EI-SENSTEIN. Do you want to
6 have somebody answer that question? So
7 you want to know, in the plan, is there
8 - any reference to having native plants ; i-s
9 that your question?
10 MS . TRAVIS : Yes
11 - MR. TERRY: So yes, there are
12 certain goals and plans that deal
13 with invasive species, and the
14 - management of lands-. And that is
1-5 - where the authority of the Town would
16 ( Inaudible) I media channels , there
17 are goals to e-duc-ate the public -and
18 - try to control invasive specifies
19 within their limits .
20 MS . TRAVIS : In another town where I
21 - had spent a good deal of my time from
22 birth on, they find that they can no
23 longer plant some of the native trees
24 - because of the blowing by landscapers of
25 top soil . And it would seem that there
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1 . would be a major component-, that the Town
2 could -prov-ide some leade-rsh-ip on ways
3 that we can restore build onto the
4 original plantings . Because a lot of
5 - homeowners are -not awa-re of it . I am a
6 bee keeper, and I look at with horror and
7 I understand the reason, why the
8 - neighbor is putting up the little yellow
9 flags that are essentially going to be
10 killing everything that my bees are
11 - looking for and hungry for . So people
12 need to understand that when they get
13 tick prevention on the property, that
14 there is another side to it-. If we ' re
1-5 - going to encourage pollinators, they
16 should also be aware of what they ' re
.17 doing and -how -it e.f-f e ct s our -drinking
18 - water as well _
19 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : So you ' re
20 addressing the educational component .
21 - What is your next question?
22 MS . TRAVIS : Is there an education
23 component that is part of it and
24 - impl-ementation?
25 MR. TERRY : Directly related to
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1 - bee keeping, no . In general-, there
2 - a-re invasive -species . Well, -there
3 are invasive specie controls, such as
4 deer management . And so, that sort
5 - of lines with tick season. Why
6 homeowners are spraying the property.
7 So from a homeowners prospective,
8 - we ' re doing what we can and practical
9 to try and manage . You ' re talking
10 about them applying pesticides to
11 - their property; correct?
12 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Yes .
13 MR. TERRY : That is a homeowners
14 choice-. There is not a goal or
13 - objective in the plan that deals with
16 that issue . However, you just
17 brought _it up to the podium _and -it ' s
18 - up to the Board and the 'Town Board to
19 consider .
20 MS . TRAVIS : " I would like to know to
21 - what degree does the homeowner spraying
22 effects drinking water as well?
23 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: Everything that
24 - you ' re -saying is being recorded. And
25 so this information will be passed on to
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1 - the Town Board. So thank you for those
2 - que-st-ion-s . Do -you have another
3 question?
4 MS . TRAVIS : Yes , I do . Another
5 - as-pect of -bei-ng a -homeowner t-hat is close
6 to the main road and gets a lot of
7 traffic . I understand that there is a
8 - concern for redirecting the traffic .
9 We ' re all concerned.
10 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : So your question
11 - is about --
12 MS . TRAVIS : I haven ' t phrased it
13 yet . I have been reading there is plan
14 - that is taking all the traffic off North
1-5 - Road and directing it west and down
16 Alridge, where it would make a right
17 _hand turn within -35 -feet of my -bedr-o-om
18 - window_ We have already had documented,
19 7 or 8 accidents there and told that we
20 need a couple of ideas . And it has now
21 - stopped. People come right within the
22 bedroom window of it, 3 inches of it .
23 Right into my barn as well .
24 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI: Your conc-ern
25 is very well taken and it ' s obviously
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1 , well known . I know the Town Board is
2 working with -the -pol-ice depa-rtments and
3 the Highway Departments on that issue .
4 We do discuss traffic in our plan. And
5 - we will take your comments as-pass t-hem
6 along to the Town Board as well .
7 MS . TRAVIS : We all want the better
8 - control . We' re all going to have to
9 give a little to get that . And a certain
10 amount of privacy would help that .
11 • MEMBER EISENSTEIN: Thank you.
12 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you .
13 UNKNOWN FEMALE SPEAKER: I have an
14 - easy question. The big map is color
1-5 - coded at the -bottom. And is -- I
16 think a dark green -- patches on the
17 - map- Gan somebody tell me the
18 - significance of those green patches?
19 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : I think that is
20 R-80 isn' t it? There is three different
21 - colors of green . So I am not sure which
22 one you ' re speaking of?
23 UNKNOWN FEMALE SPEAKER: There is
24 - -some very small slivers of land
25 (Inaudible) .
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1 _ MS . MOORE : Good evening .
2 Patricia -Moore . I am a local
3 attorney. I have two questions . The
4 _ first is , is this the a_ppropriate
5 - time to discuss areas of concern, as
6 far as in Cutchogue and what would be
7 recommended as far as turning to RO
8 - Zone? Is this an appreciate time --
9 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : I think that
10 should be a Town Board issue . We ' re here
11 - setting the stage for the next step,
12 which would be the Town Board. They are
13 the one ' s who makes the decisions .
14 MS-. MOORE : So the next Town Board
1-5 - meeting would be -- -before they would
16 adopt this Comprehensive Plan, would that
-17 . be the _approp-ri-ate time or .during the
18 - plan? I don ' t know if there has been any
19 discussion about the zoning and whether
20 they were discussing creating additional
21 - zones --
22 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : That is all up to
23 the Town Board. That is not within our
2,4 - purview .
25 MS . MOORE : Okay. Second question is ,
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1 - with respect to nonconforming lots_, has
2 - -there been -d-iscus-s-ion about ou-r current
3 zoning and possible amendments to the
4 zoning when we ' re dealing with
5 - nonconforming lots in this -plan?
6 Anything?
7 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Again --
-8 - MS . MOORE : All Town Board?
9 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Yes .
10 MS . MOORE : Alright .
11 - -CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Again, we ' re
12, basically setting the baseline --
13 MS . MOORE : From some of the comments ,
14 . it sounded like you wanted to hear about
1-5 - some of the planning documents--
16 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : We ' re recording
17 - this . So we '-re taking the co-nce_rns of
18 - everyone . So we will pass that along to
19 the Town Board.
20 MS . MOORE: So should I state my
21 ' concerns and then pass it along? I guess
22 that is what is not clear to me .
23 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : You could do that
24 - in the -comment section .
25 MS . MOORE : Pardon?
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1 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : When we get to
2 -the comments, -we ' re start-ing -to --
3 MS . MOORE: Oh, this is not the
4 comments . I will wait to the comments .
5 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN: We have -not gotten
6 to the comment period yet . State your
7 name?
8 - MR. MAWL: George Mawl from New
9 Suffolk. I was just wondering in the
10 course of collecting information for
11 - this plan, I know you have spoken to
12 everybody. Many, many different
13 sections . Has there been any attempt
14 to solicit information or seek
1-5 - information from other east-end
16 Town ' s who may have also come up with
17 - some of the _issues that we '-re -coming
18 - up against-? Before this and may have
19 some additional knowledge about some
20 of the issues that we ' re coming into
21 - now? That comes into my mind,
22 because I have noticed a lot of
23 people from the South Fork are moving
24 - to th-e Nort-h Fork for various
25 reasons . And I am just wondering if
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1 - that has come up?
2 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN : So your qu-e-st-ion
3 is , has this plan, has there been any
4 information or questions to other Town ' s?
5 - MR. MAWL: Have you gathered a-ny
6 other information from east-end
7 Town ' s that you may have come across
8 - these issues before?
9 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : In general, we
10 really haven ' t but I think that it ' s
11 - something that we will look into . That
12 will be another item that we will add to
13 our list .
14 - MR. MAWL-: Thank you.
15 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: Sir?
16 MR. JUSTOWITZ : My name is Shane
17 . Justowit-z, Cutcho.gue_. -I would just
18 - like to ask a question_ We have a
19 plan. A living plan, that we ' re
20 updating and moving along. My
21 - question is, so this plan is going to
22 be adopted by a Board -- whatever.
23 My question is, how would they make
24 - that living plan, how would we ensure
25 this plan, how will we make these
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1 - things that we want to happen,
2 - happen? What -would be -- haw -do -we
3 enforce this plan?
4 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN : So you want to
5 - know what the -process is after it ' s
6 adopted?
7 MR. JUSTOWITZ : Something like that?
8 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN: Don -or Heather
9 want to take that question?
10 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Well, I can take
11 - it . Basically, it ' s up to the Town
12 Board to consider basically -- they will
13 prioritize the goals that are brought up .
14 - And the Civic groups -- I don' t want to
1-5 - use this as a negative term -but they -keep
16 the pressure on the Town Board to
17 -implement some of the goals that have
18 been spoken about .
19 MR. JUSTOWITZ : Do we have any kind of
20 a mechanism in which we pursue our
21 - priorities and goals as we see them fit?
22 MEMBER SIDOR: Ultimately, it ' s
23 you the people . There is nothing
24 - -here that we can force a Town Board.
25 We can do recommendations . It ' s you
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1 - the people, and the Town Board that
2 -makes c h-a n g e-s 1-i k-e -these .
3 MR. JUSTOWITZ : Thank you.
4 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Jim, did you want
5 - to say somethi-ng?
6 MEMBER RICH: Yes . I just wanted
7 to agree with what Martin had said .
8 - This is a goal oriented plan . We had
9 quite a bit of input in. I sometimes
10 say more than I should say . I look
11 - around here, we have 90 people here .
12 There is 25, 000 in the Town. I think
13 they will have to feel and see what
14 has to be adjusted there-. Reevaluate
15 - their goals . There is things in this
16 plan that I feel very strongly and I
-17 . .know a _lot of people here -fee-1 very
18 strongly. Maybe some people disagree
19 with them. This is not the end.
20 This is the beginning.
21 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN: Did that answer
22 your question?
23 MR. JUSTOWITZ : Yes .
24 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN-: Any more
25 questions?
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1 MS . HARRISON : I have a second
2 - que-st-ion?
3 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: Okay, Louise .
4 _ Everybody is waiting for the comment
5 - section.
6 MS . HARRISON : Thank you for indulging
7 me a second time . Louise Harrison . This
8 - might be a legal que-stion . I am thinking
9 about the living document . First of all,
10 I want the plan to be adopted. And I
11 - believe the Comprehensive Plan are really
12 strong instruments for backing up Town
13 decisions . I think there is a place for
14 - them in a legal system when you hav-e an
1-5 - adopted comprehensive plan, it gives more
16 humph to things like zoning decisions
17 that -might come _l a t es-. So -I s-e-a11 y
18 believe- we need one and I hope this one
19 is adopted. My question is about the
20 living aspect of it and changes that come
21 - down the pike . And I think Heather you
22 answered me clearly here, that the goals
23 would remain the same . It would just be
24 - certain -kinds of specific input that
25 might be added as it comes in from the
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1 - public . That would be added as ideas .
2 - That -if a chapter -needed to be changed,
3 that would probably go to a public
4 - hearing . So here is the question, does
5 - what -point, if you make such- changes, at
6 what point does the document not become a
7 document you might be adopting now? When
8 - doe-s it change -so much that it no longer
9 provides the legal defense in the means
10 that -- for the means it would provide?
11 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN: So to clarify, so
12 - you ' re saying, as all this information is
13 coming from the public and they ' re asking
14 - for certain things to -be done --
15 MS . HARRISON : Changed.
16 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Changed. And
17 you' re saying if a whole chapter got
18 - changed, is that the question?
19 MS . HARRISON : Basically, if there is
20 a living document that will last a few
21 - years and it took a long time to get
22 here . It will be our Comprehensive Plan
23 for quite some time I would hope .
24 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Sorry to cut you
25 off, but we call it a living document
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1 - because we feel we got the basis here
2 - o-f -that -this document could be g-on-e -fo-r
3 the next 50 years . It could be
4 changed, one objective or a whole
5 - chapter.
6 MS . HARRISON : But to survive any
7 legal challenge -- I guess the
8 - challenge boils down to, when do you need
9 a public hearing and when don ' t you, so
10 that you can have something that is
11 - always going to legally de-fend the Town' s
12 decisions? Does that make my question
13 more clear?
14 - MEMBER EISENSTEIN-: Mr-. Duffy is -going
1-5 - to take that .
16 MR. DUFFY : If it ' s a matter of
17 - just updating dat-a, you don' t need a
18 - public hearing . But when you start
19 changing goals or policies or
20 - priorities, any type of changes would
21 - require a public hearing .
22 MS . HARRISON : And then it would be
23 duly adopted and part of the Town' s
24 - Compre-h-en-sive Plan going forward --
25 MR. DUFFY: Yes .
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1 - MR. JUSTOWITZ : It ' s my
2 - -unde-r-stand n-g -that this document -is
3 not a binding document . Meaning that
4 the Board is not responsible in an_y
5 - way to follow it . Even if it adopts
6 it . Basically what you ' re asking me
7 -- I have to fight them for my own
8 - issue with my-self to get them what I
9 want them to do .
10 CHAIRMAN' WILCENSKI : The Town Board.
11 - MR. JUSTOWITZ : The Town Board to
12 get them to do what I want them to do .
13 The Board is not obligated to follow
14 - that --
1-5 - MR. DUFFY : No the Town Board is
16 obligated to follow the plan .
17 _MR_ JUSTOW-ITZ-: To what e_xtemt?
18 - -MR. DUFFY: Any change, any zoning
19 change that they make, has to be
20following the goals . I think your
21 - question was more towards, if there
22 was a trigger or mechanism, something
23 like that .
24 MR. JU-STOWITZ-: Do you see where I
25 am going --
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1 MR. DUFFY : I understand.
2 - MR. JUSTOWITZ : I hope to de-fend -what
3 I have .
4 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Just an example in
5 - terms of -- so the-re is a goal in the
6 Comprehensive Plan. And in the
7 transportation chapter, it references
8 - generally -speaking, bike lanes, cross
9 walks, pedestrian safety. So a
10 community can get together and -- and
11 - Terry taught me this word, Charrette .
12 You can get together whether it ' s a civic
13 association, a community group and you
14 - -decide that the -goal -- and by the way, a
13 - Charrette is an intense meeting, very
16 specific, around a particular topic and
17 - you want to have as many member-s o.f the
18 - community there from different
19 backgrounds . And I think this is
20 - addressing your question very
21 - specifically. That there is a large
22 representation . So you would want the
23 chamber at the table . You would want
24 - education at th-e table . You would want
25 the local association at the table .
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1 - You would want somebody that isn ' t
2 connected -with an association at -the
3 table . And your topic is cross walks .
4 You want to identify -- and Patricia
5 - -brought something up . Let ' s just use
6 the corridor of Cutchogue . And you
7 decide where are all the cross walks in
8 - Cutchogue . What are those cro-s-s walk
9 going to look like? So you have your
10 business owners, your residential people .
11 - And you' re all discussing the cross
12 walks . And Rochester just passed a
13 law in New York, they have got piano keys
14 - as crosswalks . Now how many -people may
1-5 - want piano -keys as crosswalks in
16 Cutchogue? And how many people say, no .
17 - No . .No . -I want the -ambiguous one . You
18 - get a consensus and then you bring that
19 to the Town Board. So it ' s not so
20 arbitrary. It is a community
21 involvement . And then the Town Board
22 says, "oh, maybe this is important and
23 that we need to bring in the other
24 organizations, -state and county. "
25 Does that answer your question?
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1 - MR. JUSTOWITZ : My question now --
2 - MEMBER EI-SENSTEIN : Can -you ju-st -state
3 your name again?
4 MR. JUSTOWITZ : Let ' s just all assume
5 - to agree with the -piano keys all over
6 North Fork. The question is, is the
7 Board obligated to follow our advice- or
8 - the Board?
9 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: That is the Town .
10 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you .
11 - Anybody else like to?
12 MS . DELUCA: Hi . I am Maria
13 ( Inaudible) . I am from East Marion .
14 - And I just had a specificquestion-
15 -
question_,
15 - I read a great deal of the
16 Comprehensive Plan, and there is a
17 - section -in the zoning chapter, that
18 - refers to -- a potential changing in
19 zone along the North Road, Route 48
20 _ -- sorry, it ' s always been the Main
21 - Road growing up . I was just
22 wondering, it seems a little bit
23 contradictory. The language in the
24 - Compreh-ensive Plan pointed towards
25 trying to keep the hamlet business
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1 center as kind of more dense and aim
2 - -to keep business . I -wa-sn-'t -sure -i-f
3 the potential zoning chang on Route
4 48 was targeting at allowing more
5 - business or trying to be more
6 slightly restrictive?
7 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : So your
8 - que-stion --
9 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : I am not sure
10 there is any specifics in the zoning
11 - chapter. Heather can answer that .
12 MS . LANZA: I think what you ' re
13 talking about is the section that talked
14 - about -- that is outside the hamlet
1-5 - centers . And that is what was -- you
16 said you were from East Marion?
17 - -MS-. -DELUC.A: Yes
18 - MS . LANZA: It definitely wasn-' t
19 aimed at that area . Just an idea and it
20 was aimed at the main corridor where the
21 - four lane road is . And taking --
22 looking at land that has businesses
23 already but maybe doesn' t have the zoning
24 but ' should -have zoning to allow certain
25 uses that are complimentary. So it ' s
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1 - not talking about expanding zoning
2 b u-s-i n as s e s . I-t ' s -sort of -f-it t—n-g -what
3 was already there .
4 MS . DELUCA: That was my question .
5 - Thank you.
6 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Thank you. Any
7 more questions or is the question and
8 - an-swer period over?
9 (No Response . )
10 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : Comment time .
11 -CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you very
12 much, Mary.
13 At this time, if we could all go
14 - and follow the same procedure State
1-5 - your name and write your name at the
16 end. Thank you .
17 - MS . MURRAY: My -name -is Ann e
18 - Murray and I am the president of the
19 East Marion Community Association . I
20 will be giving the Planning Board a
21 packet this evening . I am just going
22 to introduce the packet and tell you
23 what is in there . Not many things
24 - have changed since Southold Town, in
25 the 10 years, as we have began this
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1 - Comprehensive Plan process . In East
2 - Mar-ion, erre -of th-e -sma11-e•st -and most
3 densely built out hamlets, we have
4 seen these changes up close . And
5 - some ways they alter the character of
6 the place that we call home . We have
7 lost the affordable housing in the
8 - hamlet . Home-s once occupied by
9 families are now short term rentals .
10 Our water quality has deteriorated
11 - with (Inaudible) summer and the
12 aquifer is at risk for Nitrogen and
13 salt water intrusion. East Marion
14 has been shut down by traffic jams-,
13 - which have presented, at times,
16 residents from leaving their homes to
.17 - enter the -Main Ro-ad _and pose a safety
18 - hazard to local residents _ How do we
19 deal with the issues that not only
20 face East Marion but the other
21 - hamlets is vital to the future of
22 Southold, as is this plan . In 2016,
23 we conducted a survey of our members
24 in East Marion and asked them to
25 describe the issues of highest
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1 _ concern . We followed up with two
2 -publ-ic meetings and then a commun-it-y
3 consensus on the issues that we
4 wanted the Comprehensive Plan to
5 - address . Our survey -results and the
6 descriptions are the most important
7 issues for our residents are in the
8 - document that I have given you
9 tonight . And I ask that you enter
10 these documents into the record of
11 - this -public hearing. I have also
12 included a detailed survey that
13 describes the threats to East
14 . Marion' s water supply that -was
1-5conducted by Peconic Green Growth
16 several years ago . Finally, I want
17 to thank the Town _Planning -Director,
18 - Heather Lanza and the entire staff of
19 the Planning Department and the
20 Planning Board. We know they worked
21 - very hard on this plan for many years
22 and we appreciate their efforts on
23 behalf of the Town' s residents .
24 Thank you .
25 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : - Thank you
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1 very much. Yes-, sir .
2 - -MR. SOCAL-: Hello . My name -is
3 Mark Socal from Mattituck. And I am
4 the president of the Board of
5 - Directors for the Communication
6 Action of Southold Town, known as
7 CAST . I would like to thank the
8 - -Planning Board and the staff for the
9 work they have done on the
10 Comprehensive Plan and the
11 - opportunity to speak. My remarks
12 will be in relation to unit services
13 portion of the plan . Since 1965 CAST
14 - has served vulnerable individuals
1-5 ' that live within the Town of
16 Southold. We are a private,
_17 - -nonprofit -organization and x-ais-es
18 - predominantly private donations and
19 grants . The North Fork' s farming and
20 fishing have always been vital to the
21 economy of Southold Town, yet they
22 offer low wage employment
23 opportunities . These industries have
24 long attracted immigrant workers and
25 low skilled workers . In recent
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1 , years., the areas rapid growth is a
2 dest-inat-ion for tour-fists and -second
3 homeowners have spurred recent
4 vineyards and hotels . All of which
5 - employed workers, are generally low
6 wages and generally seasonally.
7 Notably, according to the Food
8 - Re-search and Action Center, rural
9 areas that grow most of our nations
10 food, households face considerably
11 - deeper struggles with hunger than
12 those with metropolitan areas .
13 Security in rural areas determinably
14 - impacts the health and wellbeing of
1-5 - people and undermines the economy and
16 sustainability of rural communities .
17 - At CAST, we serve -hundreds of pe-op-le
18 - every week who are food and skure.
19 People include working familles,
20 seniors, veterans., children and
21 people living with disabilities .
22 CAST provides a safety net for
23 residents in need through a food
24 - pantry supported by local farmers, a
25 sharing room with clothes and
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1 - household items_, benefit application
2 - assistance and emergency assistance
3 for heat, electric and other urgent
4 needs that impact the health and
5 - safety. We also provide wrap around
6 services as climates move . It ' s a
7 higher paying and more stable jobs .
-8 - These include -the North Fork
9 Parent/Child Home Program, which is
10 an early literacy and parenting
11 - skills program for at-risk families .
12 ESL, computer classes, tutoring,
13 citizenship classes , monthly
14 workshops that focus on various
15 topics including financial literacy
16 and health . Our connections program,
17 _links unemployed os -under emp-1_oyed
18 - clients to local jobs opportunities
19 and aides in completing job
20 applications, resume writing, job
21 interview preparation. We
22 continually renovate and our services
23 to meet specific needs in the
24 community . For example, we ' re now
25 offering a series of ESL classes
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1 - focused on the language of culinary
2 and hosp-ital-ity -work. Sk-ill-s that
3 local businesses have told us they
4 need. Guests are working to meet the
5 - growing need while enhancing and
6 expanding our program to ensure that
7 neighbors are free from worry about
8 - basic nece�ssitie-s and can build a
9 better future for themselves and
10 their families . Today CAST offers a
11 - wide range of services to all at risk
12 populations in Southold, from
r 13 children to elderly . We have a
14 . partnership with the senior center to
1-5 - provide fresh local produce to
16 seniors . In closing, I would like to
.17 . -empha s i z e that this p-tan -is -a good
18 - start and raises some important
19 issues with the growing vulnerable
20 - population of Southold. However,
21 - CAST would like the Planning Board to
22 seriously consider recommending the
23 Town to consider these three
24 suggestions . Enhance the partnership
25 with CAST along with increase
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1 investment of resources . We
2 - appreciate-that the Town has
3 allocated a portion of the federal
4 community block grant funds to CAST .
5 - The $7500 . 00 represents just over to
6 of our current budget . Given the
7 extent of the quasi-government human
-8 -service-s CAST provide-s, we believe
9 that the Town would benefit from an
10 increased investment for CAST .
11 - Develop a proactive plan to move the
12 underserved population to self
13 sufficiency, including education and
14 . workforce development Three-, and
1-5 - seek input on -human services
16 objectives directly from the
-17 . underserved population, 1iv_ing -in _o_r
18 - near poverty. Like the organizations
19 like CAST that directly serves the
20 populations before a plan, while
21 - working to implement the plan . We at
22 CAST appreciate being included as
23 potential partners for Southold Human
24 Services plan and together with our
25 neighbors, we can make a positive
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1 - subtotal step in the community. -
2 Thank -you.
3 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you very
4 much .
5 - MR. HANLON. Bob Hanlon from
6 Orient . Thank you. The Town needs a
7 vision, a set of principles and
8 - a-spiration-s . The Town need-s a plan.
9 This is a start . A draft plan
10 includes many key goals and
11 - objectives that can and should shape
12 the present future of Southold. It ' s
13 clear that the staff has worked hard
14 - to listen to the segments -of our
1_5 - community. And -have utilized their
16 skills and expertise in interpreting
17 the express -needs-, concerns -and
18 - congestion. Many of these principles
19 have been previously raised by
20 Representatives of our residential
21 - community business organization,
22 agricultural groups . The plan
23 recognizes that we are a rural
24 - -community, vibrant hamlet centers,
25 where farms , wineries, home,
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1 - businesses_, work alongside of you and
2 1 . It commits -to -m-a-i nt a1 n-i n-g -that by
3 encouraging the Hamlet centers from
4 Commerce and housing, within the
5 - reach of low and mode-rate families .
6 It seeks to preserve farmland and
7 Open Spaces , avoid retail sprawl,
-8 - mall-s and overdevelopment of housing.
9 The plan acknowledges the character
10 of each of one of ours neighborhoods,
11 - and the need to protect them. We
12 cannot afford to have unlimited,
13 unmanaged rentals . We cannot let
14 - over-building destroy the scale of
1-5 - -housing and transform neighborhoods
16 overnight . And drive up prices so
17 . that our .already housing _shost.age
18 becomes even more critical . The plan
19 points out the critical situation in
20 our drinking water and service
21 - waters . It calls for use of
22 innovative advanced waste water
23 treatment, IA systems, in critical
2-4 - areas . Some of these proposals
25 mirror the initial environmental
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1 - groups that have been seeking for
2 some -time . Mandating IA -systems -in
3 new construction and sensitive areas .
4 And replacing the failed system.
5 - These are excellent starts . And we
6 should further explore initiative to
7 halt and even reverse the damage to
8 - our wat-er�s . There are al-so -sections
9 of the plan that highlight critical
10 gaps in our policies and practices .
11 - We ' re running out of available water,
12 and the plan acknowledges this, the
13 systems are not adequate to keep up
14 - with the current trend and usage-
1-5 - Increasingly at risk for pollution
16 from nitrates , bacteria and other
17 c o n t-amin an t s-. The p1 an -c1 e-ar1 y
18 states that we must `support the work
19 of the Town of Southold Water
20 _ Protection and Conservation
21 - Committee .` That is not what this
22 Town is currently doing . In fact,
23 the Town recently canceled all future
24 - -meetings -of its water conservation
25 committee, claiming that its goals
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1 have been met . The economic
2 - development -is essent-ial . The -pl-an
3 calls for more jobs . More training.
4 More job placement . More incentives .
5 - Both financial and -regulatory to
6 Peconic retention and attraction. The
7 plan offers a few approaches, it also
8 - point-s -out one of the bigge-st
9 impediments by the Town. "Southold
10 does not currently have a
11 - department ' s primary responsibility
12 for economic development . " In fact,
13 it doesn ' t have a single person
14 - charged with that task_. Southold
15 - does -have an economic development
16 committee . These are prime
17 individuals who give a b-it of their
18 - time to the Town. They do work hard
19 and I am not suggesting that they
20 don' t . They cannot provide the day
21 - to day help needed to work through
22 the code and regulation, challenges
23 and opportunities in starting and
2-4 - running a -business in this Town .
25 Similarly the Town has an
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1 - agricultural advisory committee that
2 d o e-s that, a dvi-s e s . No o-f-f-i c e o-r
3 person provides direct support to the
4 farmer getting established in this
5 - Town or the generational farmer
6 struggling to find a better way to
7 survive the government , as well as
8 - the weather. Why -not have -some sort
9 to facilitate this, to assist
10 businesses , farmers , even residents
11 - in navigating the systems . The plan
12 doesn ' t call for it, but it just
13 might make carrying out this plan
14 - more feasible . In numerous places-,
13 - the Plan calls for zoning changes .
16 Zoning is critical to our Town. The
17 .plan insists that "-any future changes
18 - to zoning need to happen in a
19 collaborative way . Working with the
20 way the communities are effected. "
21 - This is exactly what we do not do
22 now. The proposed code changes ,
23 including zoning changes, usually
24 - -emerges from a governmental black
25 hole appearing in the legal notices
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1 - in the Town paper and Town website .
2 - And on a bulletin board 1n Town Hall .
3 Where do they come from? Sometimes
4 they went through Code Committee,
5 - which often meets with little notice
6 and often no subject or agenda
7 listed, and few participants . But
8 - don' t worry. There -will be an
9 opportunity to public input at the
10 public hearing on the eve of
11 - adoption. No time to investigate or
12 ask questions, the purpose, the
13 impact or the administration, simply
14 , endorse or op-pose . Our laws,
1-5 - especially zoning laws are too
16 important for this . (Inaudible) . In
17 theory, these changes can make every
18 - house in the Town a two-family
19 dwelling and could effectively
20 - eliminate the ability to enforce the
21 - adorable housing eligibility rules .
22 This came up for the first time at a
23 Town Board Work Session and that same
24 - night, proceeded directly to being
25 scheduled for public hearing in
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1 - August . We need to consider changes
2 -to ou-r a c c e-s s o-ry apartment c-o-de .
3 Only 27 affordable accessory
4 apartments in over 15 gears . But the
5 - code is too important to do it like
6 this . Especially zoning changes .
7 And numerous other code changes have
8 - been similarly handled. We need to
9 bring important policy matters to the
10 state code at the beginning of the
11 - process . I was just delighted to
12 hear Mary' s explanation of the grant
13 process . Not at the end. On key
14 . issues, we should be scheduling
15 in-depth forums actively inviting
16 interested groups , Civic, Business,
17 - So-cial Services to .we-igh -in on the
18 - needs, approaches, consequences both
19 intended and unintended. From that
20 input, we should be shaping the first
21 - draft of the proposed code . This can
22 lead to collaborative rule making,
23 rather than the process that now
24 - -occurs . Let ' s get back to the plan .
25 It calls for numerous studies to
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1 - determine how to best implement the
2 - broad princzples outlined. It also
3 calls for changes to eliminate
4 ambiguity and inconsistencies, and
5 - for the -creation of many standards
6 and guidelines to improve the
7 standards of decision' making
8 - progres-s . We will need to prioritize
9 and schedule these activities
10 immediately after adoption of the
11 - -plan. Because the plan is not law.
12 It ' s the ideas blinds the laws and
13 regulations . And usually agreeing on
14 - the implementation is usually harder
13 - than agreeing to the principles .
16 That means that we need to get to
17 - work on the harder _stuff.. All of us
18 - The civic associations, the Chambers
19 of Commerce, the farm and winery and
20 agricultural groups . Every member of
21 - the Southold community as well as
22 Town and staff. And if we do it
23 together, we can do better . We need
24 - a plan. This is a good start . Let ' s
25 go .
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1 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you .
2 - -MR. 'GUELI. I -am Charles Gueli . I
3 have come with two documents tonight .
4 Hopefully to submit to _youfor
5 - further -revi-ew. The first one is a
6 traffic audit report that was
7 originally submitted in April 2016,
8 which is a compilation of previous
9 studies and reports , includes a
10 couple of suggestions and traffic
11 - improvements in Mattituck. The
12 second document is our Mattituck
13 Laurel Plan, which was submitted on
14 . March 1, 2018- It ' s made up of 12
1-5 - propositions, which are -backed up by
16 a community service, which took place
17 in the _1-a s t quarter of 2,0-17- -W-h_i ch
18 indicates clearly what the community
19 hopes to see done with each of those
20 12 propositions . And it also has
21 - three requests . The reason why this
22 document was structured in two
23 sections, was that the requests in
2-4 - -our opinion, were on immediate effect
25 of quality of life . The main one had
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1 _ to do with traffic and zoning changes -
2 - that would -impact the -t-raffic . The
3 Comprehensive Plan is very much like
4 this , in as much as , it covers
5 - environmental issues and quality of
6 life issues . And it gives a lot of
7 background support . In each of the
-8 - is-sues, the Comprehen-sive Plan has
9 provided existing conditions and
10 goals and suggestions on how to
11 - achieve those goals . So in our
12 opinion, we think that the Town knows
13 what needs fixing and knows how to
14 - fix it-. And that, all of these
1-5 - studies for all of these years have
16 now been concluded. And that the
17 time ,.f o-r act-ion --s the _s-ame day the
18 - -Comprehensive Plan is adopted_
19 MR. HASPER: Ira Hasper, Southold .
20 . I have read the plan, all of it . All
21 - but except, all of' the statistical
22 charts . And one of them actually
23 states that the Town Government is
24 - the s-e-cond largest industry by dollar
25 value for this Town . For your
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1 - information . I would like to
2 - compl-iment -the supe-rvi-sor, -th-e Town
3 Board, the Planning Board, and all
4 the other departments, as well as the
5 - citizens in this Town for the input
6 and attention they' re giving to
7 develop this . This is an enormous
8 - ta-sk. It i-s not perfect . There are
9 many little problems with it . Maybe
10 some big problems . I do want to
11 - complement the effort . It ' s really a
12 great task. Not many Town ' s have
13 gotten this far or have done so well .
14 . The executive summary-, the
15 - information, the maps are good,
16 although due to time lapse, some need
17 to .be updated- She v-i-sign statement
18 - is clear and strong_ And as stated
19 in the introduction, its intended to
20 be a living document . What I
21 - particularly like about this plan,
22 that it comes with built in
23 flexibility. And the ability to
24 - -change with changing information and
25 objectives if necessary. Things are
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1 _ going to change . We talk about
2 sea-level -r-ise and change of climate
3 plans . So we have to get ready. But
4 of great importance, there is
5 - implementations, and -p-rioritizing
6 goals is the Town Board' s
7 responsibility. As such, I would
8 - like to -suggest that the Board to-ke a
9 stronger stance on the following,
10 which are related to Chapter ' s 5 ,
11 - Community -Character. 6, Nat-ural
12 Resources and Environment . 9,
13 Agriculture . 10 , Land Preservation .
14 - Although nitrates have been a great
1_5 - concern and -has received a lot of
16 attention, hazardous and toxic
17 . mat-erials .need snore -attemtio-n_. The
18 - Board can actively help eliminate
19 toxic materials from our environment
20 - from our soil and water . Per Chapter
21 - 6, Item 2 . 15, it suggests that we
22 should promote organic, that do not
23 contaminate the soil . B, eliminate
24 - th-e toxic materials from Town owned
25 land, including parks and ball
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1 fields . The Town can be a leader in
2 th-i-s . Take the -first -step-s . H-i-ghway
3 Department can stop using hazardous
4 materials . Over the last 10 years ,
5 - there -has been a lot of scientifics
6 -- we can discuss that at length. I
7 would be happy to do it . Let ' s
8 - di-scu-s-s it and take action. I see
9 this as a pressing need. I believe
10 drinkable water is the highest
11 - -priority for this Town. Any other
12 things can be decided later.
13 Drinkable water is of highest
14 . _priority-. Regarding the purchase of
1-5 - development rights, I would recommend
16 implementing convents that such land
17 should not have harmful -
mate-rials-18 - We-' re basically taking tax payer
19 money and placing toxic materials on
20 our Town land. The Town
21 - -Comprehensive Plan, is actually
22 facilitating the postioning of our
23 soil with the taxpayer' s money. I
24 - think that is wrong . Thank you .
25 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you .
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1 _ Yes., Pat .
2 - MS . MOORS. Well, I am back on -the
3 other side. Now it ' s question time .
4 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : State _your name
5 - again?
6 MS . MOORE: Patricia Moore, local
7 attorney. My question is , with respect
8 - to the Cutchogue Corridor, going ea-st of
9 -- heading east from the hardware store
10 in that region -- it ' s business zoned .
11 Several homes down -on the easterly
12 direction also begins business zone . I
13 would like to know if there is any
14 - discussion in the Comprehensive Plan or
1-5 - possibility of adding to the
16 Comprehensive Plan, that region be a
17 . t r_ans i ti on a1 -zone th_a t w out d _a110 w _f or
18 - RO or other transitional-? Cutchogue is
19 very similar to Southold, in the respect
20 that you have the very small downtown
21 - hamlet . Then you have areas that are
22 extended. And it seems to me, mostly
23 likely created a need for professional
2-4 - -offic-e-s, medical or other service
25 industries . So it would be an
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1 _ appropriate time to consider that area
2 f or t-ran s it1 o na 1 -z o n1 n-g. Raw -with
3 respect to a second point I wanted to
4 _ raise . What I see currently with
5 - nonconforming lots, whether they are
6 commercial or residential, at present
7 time any variance that is required on a
8 - end property, but in particular
9 nonconforming lots, there is a six
10 month wait to get onto the Zoning Board
11 - Calendar of Appeals . That is typically
12 in land use terms, an indication that .
13 there is a problem with our zoning
14 - ordinance-, if there is that type of
1-5 - -backlog and inability to have hearings in
16 a timely manner . Particularly business
17 - that we '-re tying to _support .businesses_
18 - Any variance that the structure might
19 need -- and I am speaking of setback
20 variances, I have to advise clients that
21 - from the time that I file an application,
22 I am given a six month date for the
23 public hearing. That is a problem. And
24 - I would hope that certainly in the
25 Comprehensive Plan that you address the
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1 _ need to fix the code with respect to
2 -noncan-forming Lott-s . Ove-r -the -ye-a-rs -we
3 have imposed layers upon layers of
4 regulations on parcels . Really
5 - anti-ci-pating what would -be a 1 acre
6 parcel, and you have in the Comprehensive
7 Plan, the fact that we have a great
8 - number of nonconforming parcels . And
9 these parcels are being heavily burdened
10 by the overlapping jurisdictions . The
11 - setbacks that are being imposed. So I
12 would ask that be incorporated into the
13 Comprehensive Plan, so that there is one
14 support for the ultimate legislation t-o
1_5 ' correct that . And one point that I
16 heard, which is , if the Comprehensive
17 - -Plan says "X, " and the Board ends up
18 - ignoring -"X, " I think that certainly is a
19 problem, because in a challenge to any
20 type of zoning action, one of the first
21 - things is, is it in conformity with the
22 Comprehensive Plan? So it ' s great that
23 it has flexibility. That it ' s a living
24 - -document, but let ' s just make sure that
25 we address some of the current problems
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1 _ as well . So I thank you. And thank you
2 everyone fo-r the hard -wo-rk that -you have
3 done . It is an amazing task to complete
4 a Comprehensive Plan .
5 - CHAIRMAN WILCEN-SKI-: Thank you.
6 MS . THOMAS : I am Sherry Thomas .
7 I am on the Board of the Orient
8 - A-ssociation. I particularly want to
9 commend the staff for all the
10 incredible work that they did. And
11 - thank all of you for your input and
12 openness to public meetings . Like
13 East Marion and Laurel, Orient
14 - startedbeforeeither of those two
1-5 - processes to deal with a plan that
16 matched the Comprehensive Plan. The
17 - goals and needs of the Ox-ient
18 - community_ As many as 700 of Orient
19 residents endorsed the propositions
20 that came out of that planning
21 - process . We ' re not submitting
22 materials now . They will be
23 submitted after this meeting. And we
24 - will be talking publicly at the
25 meeting that is going to be held in
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1 - our community. To bring some of
2 - t h o-s e -issues f orw-a-r d. It '-s ar1t-i c a l
3 to us . That what the public has
4 _ stated so clearly that they want,
5 - should be part of this plan in
6 greater detail that it currently is .
7 Thank you.
8 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you -so
9 much.
10 MS . SMITH : My name is Anne Smith
11 - and I am here representing as a Board
12 Member of the Mattituck/Laurel Civic
13 Association, but also as a resident
14 for 34 years in .Mattituck-. -So I do
1-5 would like to thank you for all your
16 work on this important guiding
17 - d o.c ument -f o-r our Tow-n- -Reading -it
18 - certainly makes me proud to be part
19 of this community . And if I didn ' t
20 live here and I read this, I think I
21 - would want to live here . So we know
22 that tonight is a hearing on the plan
23 itself. So my comments and questions
24 - actually might be along some of these
25 smaller intimate conversations and
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1 _ back and forth with the Town_, but I
2 - want to -go ahead and go on -record, -as
3 you' re in the adoption phase .
4 Inventory Review and Analyze came up
5 - over and over as I -read the plan is a
6 current theme throughout this
7 Comprehensive Plan. Especially in
8 - the goals section. Specifically in
9 the area of zoning, which has come up
10 a few times . Developing and zoning
11 - considerations (Inaudible) and
12 traffic and community character, have
13 also come up throughout this plan.
14 - Specifi-cally in Chapter 3 on
15 - Page-' s 10 and 11, that I think we
16 need to pay attention to in reviewing
17 the _z-oning. That the Town _needs to
18 - clarify what they mean by some of
19 their codes and how they approach
20 - them as applications come through.
21 - So I am hoping that this will be a
22 priority during the implementation
23 phase. The Mattituck Civics
24 - As-s-o-ciati-on gave you their plan
25 tonight with very specific
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1 - recommendations . One of the things
2 - that our civic would hke -to know, as
3 well as other groups, what is the
4 goal of the current moratorium on
5 - -building and applications,
6 specifically in that area where the
7 traffic study is going on, and how
-8 - doe-s that interact with the plan?
9 Because we ' re hoping as an
10 association that the moratorium has
11 - given the Town time to consider what
12 is in the plan and to -- why they
13 implemented this moratorium, which we
14 - fully support . Your -plan also notes,
1-5 - as does our recommendations the need
16 for a Village green or a community
17 g-athering space in Mattituck-_ T-hat
18 - you know was part of a plan many
19 years ago and was a disappointment to
20 - our community when this concept of a
21 - park, as you enter, what we-' re
22 calling the gateway to North Fork, is
23 not clearly evidence to visitors .
24 - And we ' re -hoping that we could get
25 back to that . We would like to know,
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1 _ as others have said here tonight,
2 - what -Ls -the -timeline and how can -we
3 participate in helping you understand
4 what your community is asking . We
5 - would also like to -be part of -- in
6 terms of helping for any funding of
7 the projects, whether it ' s threw
8 - grant writing or actually had through
9 Town support, some outreach with the
10 traffic study that is going on with
11 - Matt . Had a conversation with Al
12 Krupski as I was walking in. Because
13 we ' re trying to seek ways to help the
14 - Town support a walking tour and a
15 - safety audit to really expand the
16 current traffic study under
17 - cons-i-derati_on-. And I think -.it '-s that
18 - kind of action that this plan is
19 hinting at what we should be doing .
20 I think this notion of inventory
21 - review and analyze, if you turn to
22 your civic associations and chambers,
23 we are here to help . And I also
24 - wanted t-o add, it does come up in the
25 plan, but we would love to see it in
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1 _ action-, that we really have a
2 cohesive -master -plan, -with clar-it-y
3 across all of our hamlets . So nobody
4 _ where -You are in Southold Town, _you
5 - know you ' re in Southold Town. -So
6 each Hamlet is going to get up and
7 advocate for what they want . But we
8 - al-so believe that the coalition of
9 civics can be a great asset to you,
10 in making sure that no one feels that
11 - they' re being ignored. Part of an
12 articulated master plan. So again, I
13 thank you for your support and we are
14 . here to help-.
15 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you very
16 much .
17 . _MR__ DELUC_A_: Good _evening,
18 - Mr _ Chairman, and members of the
19 Planning Board. My name is Bob
20 . DeLuca and I serve as president of
21 - the (Inaudible) East End and I am
22 also a resident with my family in
23 East Marion. For the record, the
24 - group represents the conversation of
25 the community and interests of
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1 several thousands of households and
2 - bu-sine-sse-s and individual-s acro-s-s the
3 five east-end Town' s . And we have
4 been an advocate of Comprehensive
5 - Planing since 1972, whe-n we were
6 founded. The reason why I bring it
7 out because -- State Law requires in
8 - being in conformity with the
9 Comprehensive Plan and the farther
10 you are out from that plan, you are
11 - more than likely to be challenged by
12 somebody who doesn ' t agree with your
13 interpretation of that plan says . So
14 - right out of the box_, you know-,
15 getting that plan to -be consistent of
16 where we are at is important . Second
17 - thing is, 1 .had many yearn -of wos.king
18 - on the south side with comprehensive
19 planning there . There it seems like
20 the apocalypse and in some ways it
21 - is . The other thing that is
22 fascinating about the South Fork is
23 the efforts that are made through the
24 - Compreh-ensive Plan,, hands down
25 without question, is the reason why
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1 _ what has been saved_, has been saved.
2 I have been clown there -since 1985,
3 and I can tell you that the
4 _protection of the aquifer and the
5 - community preservation fu-nd and what
6 we have here, but zoning, wetlands
7 regulations -- all of these things
8 - were put into place all because of
9 comprehensive planning. The more you
10 can articulate in that plan of what
11 - you -want, the more that the Town
12 Board feels that they have guidance .
13 It means that there is a continuity
14 of land use commitment over time that
1-5 - outlives all of us . And if you think
16 about how long it takes us to get the
17 plans _done, it could we-Ll live out
18 all of us _ So the goal really being
19 that when you get this done and you
20 . make the recommendations to the Town
21 - Board, I know that the Planning Board
22 is kind of in a weird position to say
23 true, we really don ' t make these
24 - changes, but I would urge you to let
25 the Town Board know how strongly
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1 people feel about the strength of the
2 -me-s-sage and -p-r-otect-i-n-g -n-atural
3 resources, conserving water. You
4 know, -protecting community character
5 - and not having a -place like a
6 construction site next door because
7 of lead blowers going 7 days a week
8 - and 10 hour-s a day, tho-se thing-s
9 matter. Traffic matters for people .
10 And the harder that you hit that as a
11 - Planning Board, this -cycles back to
12 you any way. The more the Town Board
13 has the direction of what people are
14 - looking for to take -- in other
15 - words, as the gentleman said, when
16 the Town Board is going to have to
17 p-ic-k -it up -and decide what it wants
18 - to do . The more things doing what
19 the public wants and I think it ' s in
20 - the plan. The Town has done a
21 - tremendous job . The Town Board feels
22 that they are protected and moving in
23 the direction that people want to go .
24 - And of -course, we all have to do our
25 part to help the Town Board and say
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1 _ these are priorities and what have
2 - you. Please do -what -you can -and do
3 your reference to the Town Board, to
4 _ know that these things are really,
5 - really i:mpo-rtant . And I t-hi-nk if you
6 do, the Town Board would move on.
7 And I would also echo the comments
8 - made by others, that the more you can
9 -- call it what you want, it ' s a
10 Comprehensive Plan. It ' s a liaison .
11 - It ' s something that makes sure the
12 plan is on the Town Board ' s agenda,
13 all the time . And it may be on an
14 - annual basis-. There is an update-
1-5 - And say we -hit these five objectives
16 and next year we are going to hot
17 - th.e s e six- And if you -re p os t tha t
18 back to people, you-` re going to know
19 how you ' re doing . The final thing I
20 . will say is this . If you live here,
21 - you can feel that we and -Shelter
22 Island are kind of what is left of
23 the five Town' s on the east-end. And
24 - it '-s just a matter of time before
25 this Town gets slammed with
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1 _ development that it can ' t manage .
2 It-'-s just gong tc happen . And -the
3 main protection that you have is
4 strong Comprehensive Plan that
5 - -reflects the goals that you worked
6 for 10 years to develop . And for
7 that reason alone, I urge you
8 - forward. And I thank you all for
9 your service . And I thank Heather
10 and Mark and all of their staff, and
11 - all the public that has participated.
12 ` I think it is a plan that has done
13 better because it was done in-house .
14 - And it took us a longer .period of
1-5 - time to do it, but I think the
16 results really do reflect the
17 c-ommur i t y. -And with that, I wi1_1 s a y
18 - good-bye . -Thank you.
19 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you.
20 - MS . GALLO: Linda Gallo from
21 - Mattiuck. I wanted to just comment
22 about two things . The first one is
23 about this whole Charrette business .
24 - I just wanted t-o say to everyone
25 here . I think it ' s great that
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1 - everyone is here . As I said earlier,
2 I am a -summer -resident . I have been
3 a summer resident for 50 years . And
4 over the time, I have seen a lot of
5 - changes . One of the thi-ngs that I
6 did find relatively recently is the
7 Mattiuck Laurel Civic Association and
8 - I became a member. And to everyone
9 here, I say that every town has one .
10 And you should join it because it ' s a
11 - way for you to get information and
12 make your voice louder then it would
13 be if you were a single person. And
14 that is how I got involved And I
13 - encourage all of you to get involved
16 because it keeps you all informed.
17 -And you know -it ' s happe-nin-g -and you
18 can be part of a larger group that
19 makes a lot more noise . You are not
20 just a single mosquito . You' re a
21 - swarm now . And it ' s a really good
22 thing. And it introduces you to
23 these people who work so hard for us .
24 - I -mean, you could tell, that all
25 these people have really worked very
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1 - hard to try and do the right thing .
2 - And e-van -me, as a summer -par-s-on have
3 so much more information then I would
4 have ever had, if I had not reached
5 - out to my own civic association. So
6 I encourage all of you to do that .
7 And I thank you all for participating
8 - in thi-s process, becau-se it ' s all
9 very important and it is up to us --
10 and part of what we can do is make
11 - our own choices . Now you talk about
12 mic-mansions and things going up and
13 things like that . Am individual has
14 . the right to sell their -property for
1-5 , whatever money they want for it . And
16 so, your job is difficult because you
17 have to -r-espect -both s-ides of th-at .
18 " What does that Town need as an
19 aggregate and what does the
20 individual need in their own personal
21 - life . So I also agree with the last
22 speaker, that the more specific you
23 get, the better it is for -- it makes
24 - it -easi-er for who run the
25 municipality and make the legislative
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1 _ decisions . It makes it easier for
2 - th-em beca-u-se they have something -to
3 follow. And that is something. It ' s
4 _ being, we, the people, stand behind
5 that something. Your job is very
6 important . So I commend you . One of
7 the things that I would like to make
-8 - -sure that is involved in there, when
9 you talk about changes over time .
10 One thing that I was very proud about
11 - the Town of Southold., was the Town
12 dump . And I know it ' s not a very
13 popular place but we have always
14 - found it to be a very fantastic -place
1-5 - -because you didn' t -have to throw
16 things out in the garage . You could
17 - recycle-. You could swap-shop You
18 - could do all of these things because
19 this is good. Because it keeps
20 pollutants out of our water ways and
21 - off of our streets because we have a
22 central place to bring it . And that
23 can therefore -- you know, it
24 - mitigates t-he effect . My problem is,
25 and maybe you don ' t know, the dump
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1 - now is only taking #1 and #2 plastic .
2 And I -w-a n t -you -to be -awa r-e of -t hat,
3 because when you go shopping at King
4 Kullen or at the Mattiuck Market
5 - Place or any local deli, and you take
6 food out, which is a common thing
7 that summer people do, it comes in #5
8 - pla-stic, #-6 pla-stir. So right now
9 you have a garbage problem that you
10 may not even know you have . Because
11 - all of that stuff is being thrown in
12 the trash now. It ' s not being
13 recycled any where . I am going to
14 - fight and I am going to bring my
1-5 - containers -back and say, fill them up
16 because I don ' t want a new one . I
17 don ' t know where that is going to g-et
18 - me _ But that is something that is
19 happening right now . And if you talk
20 - to the staff at the dump, their
21 opinion is, because people just keep
22 throwing everything in, just going to
23 stop recycling plastics . I don' t
24 - believe that . You can see that
25 people have to throw it all away.
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1 _ The employees are already disgusted
2 - -with ±t . People want to -recycle and
3 they can ' t do it because you don ' t
4 take it anymore . So that is
5 - something that is out there and I am
6 not sure if you knew about it, but I
7 wanted to let you know . It ' s not
8 right . Thank you.
9 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you .
10 MR. CARTER: John Carter again
11 - from Mattiuck. Just two quick points
12 that I want to make, after I say
13 thank you to the Planning Board and
14 " to the Department for -all the work
1-5 - that you do to this . Those of you
16 who have done the research already,
17 thank you -so much fo-r _bs_inging _it in
18 here . It-' s so valuable . This is a
19 very big document, which I have not
20 - read yet . It ' s a very complex
21 ' document and complex issue . I would
22 hate that the efforts of the Town and
23 the community at this hour, after 10
24 - years of work, would go through a
25 public comment period, perhaps is
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1 - driven by artificial deadline .
2 Novembe-r 5th. I don '-t know how -many
3 other people have busy August . My
4 kids are out of the house . So I
5 - would hope that we don' t take 10
6 years of work and then cram the
7 community component to a small amount
-8 - of time and we end up with comments
9 -- comments to the Town Board, to a
10 governing body, that are received as
11 - a final vote . And we .don ' t even know
12 when that final vote will be . So
13 that is one . Let ' s not throw away or
14 - compromise or taint work. The second
15 point and final point that I -have,
16 the quality of the input the Town is
17 getting tonight -and 1 -am -s ur e-1 y wil l
18 - get during the comment period in the
19 days and weeks , but during the
20 remainder of the comment period, the
21 - community deserves to know what the
22 Planning Board and the Planning
23 Department think about that input .
24 - It ' s not enough to hear what we have
25 to say and then write a final
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1 - document . I believe as public
2 servant-s, -the commun-i-t-y needs to hear
3 from you about what you have done
4 with our input . I would encourage
5 - that to be a component of a final
6 document that you produced. Thank
7 you very much .
8 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you. Al?
9 MR. KRUPSKI : Al Krupski,
10 Cutchogue . You know, it ' s funny
11 - because what John would say, don' t
12 rush it . It ' s ten years . I have the
13 same thing in mind. I was here on
14 - the Town Boar-d 10 years ago-. I was
1-5 - there when the decision was made to
16 do this in house and have a lot of
17 community --input, as opposed t_o _hiring
18 - a consultant from somewhere else and
19 tying up the staff ' s time . Coming up
20 with a document that if everyone were
21 - to find something wrong with,
22 probably didn ' t reflect the use of
23 the community and ended up being
24 - dismissed and not adopted. So I
25 really applaud the work of the
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1 Planning Board and I really applaud -
2 - the -work of the Planning staff . I
3 know this is a long road and you have
4 put a lot of work into it . And I
5 - know that the community outreach was
6 well done . And the community
7 outreach and you got back to the
8 - -community with their comments . And I
9 really appreciate that . So to kind
10 of echo what John had said and what
11 - Bob DeLuca ha-d said as well . You
12 know, the amount of work that went
13 into this -- and I live in Cutchogue .
14 - I have seen Town ' s and other -places
1-5 on Long Island and they make changes
16 like that . So this is a really
17 _ important effort . If you want to
18 - keep the character of this town, it ' s
19 going to take all of us to work
20 towards that goal . So thank you for
21 - the hard work and thank everyone for
22 the community support in this
23 process .
24 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI. Thank you.
25 MS . DELUCA: Hi . So my name is
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1 - Marina DeLuca . I had the privilege
2 o-f growing -up on the east-end since I
3 was three years old. And I am from
4 East Marion . I have a Biology and
5 - Music Major currently attending Union
6 College . A little bit new to this
7 considering when this plan was
8 - -started, I was only 11 years old. So
9 the reason I came today because I on
10 behalf of a lot of young people who
11 - don' t typically come to these
12 meetings, really support this plan .
13 And we find the changes that we are
14 . seeing in our community-, really
15 - happen quickly. Faster than we
16 thought they could. And they ' re
17 _ sho-cking to us_ And the idea that
18 - the Town is working to take action,
19 to stop some of these things from
20 - happening is crucial for us as the
21 - next coming generation. There is a
22 couple of things that I have noticed
23 since I have graduated Greenport
24 - High -School in 2016 . The first is
25 that every time I have come home from
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1 - college-, there is trees that I used _
2 - to play -in as a kid with -my -f-riend-s ,
3 that are turned into new houses and
4 new development and have been knocked
5 - down . And it ' s heartbreaking. The
6 other thing is that the quiet that I
7 used to know out here is constantly
8 - interrupted by 1-eaf blowers, yard
9 equipment, construction work. And
10 after spending a semester in London,
11 - sometimes it was quieter there then
12 it is in my own home in East Marion.
13 And I say that out of full honesty
14 and it shocked me-. The last -point is
15 - that, loo-king at the stars at night .
16 It has something that has been a
17 - past-time -for me _and my -fr-iends .our
18 " whole lives growing up _ And suddenly
19 the houses around have lights that
20 - are beaming into the street-, that you
21 - can-' t see . Southold Town has been
22 adamant about trying to protect these
23 things . In our Town Code, we have
24 - adopted dark sky lighting
25 regulations , but we don ' t have the
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1 - proper ways to enforce it . And we ' re
2 left without a -way -to know how to -f-ix
3 it . So these are some of the
4 aesthetic things that I have noticed
5 - growing up around here that are
6 changing more rapidly then I thought
7 could happen. Because when I left in
8 - 2016, to the environment that i-s here
9 now, it is drastically different .
10 When I was growing up and driving on
11 - the North Road and there was traffic,
12 it meant that somebody was behind a
13 tractor . I thought that was the
14 - coolest thing in the world to come
1-5 - from a place like that . But now
16 trying to drive to Riverhead, I am
17 - stuck behind a pa-rade of S U V' s that I
18 don' t know where they' re going_
19 These aesthetic changes are not the
20 only thing that I am concerned about .
21 - I am so happy that the Town -has
22 considered to create this
23 Comprehensive Plan to try and address
24 - -some of the-se things . But the bigger
25 concerns that I have come to drinking
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1 - water . An average person can survive
2 three days -wi-thaut -water . Cu-rrantly
3 the Southold Town Summer Average for
4 a single family household is 559
5 - gallons of water per day. We' re
6 currently relying on the sole source
7 aquifer beneath us in our
8 - groundwater. And we are well over
9 the withdraw rate for it to properly
10 regain enough water to continue to
11 - support us . So simply. This means
12 that eventually, if we don ' t change
13 our infrastructure, we ' re not going
14 . to have clean drinking water-. -We
1-5 - also our facing salt water intrusion
16 which has been mentioned before . And
17 - _ag-ain., -many o-f these issues are
18 - addressed in the Comprehensive Plan_
19 And this is why I cannot urge you
20 _ enough to take this seriously from my
21 - generation, because I would hope that
22 from 10 years from now, 15 years from
23 now, I can come back here and show
24 - -maybe my children one day or friends
25 that I have made along the way, the
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1 - beautiful place that I have spent my
2 - ll-fe calling home . So I -would like
3 to conclude my thoughts by saying
4 thank You. Not only of myself but on
5 - be-half of all of the people of my age
6 who have had the privilege of growing
7 up here and now concerned about its
8 - future becau-se thi-s is the first step
9 to having a game plan. To try and
10 protect what we have left . The
11 second thing I would like to say is
12 that, there is an urgency to this .
13 The amount of change that I have seen
14 - in the -past three years coming -back
1_5 - and forth from school from the time I
16 have graduated is rapid. It ' s faster
17 _ than 1 -f-eel _many o-f us are -ready ox
18 - prepared for. So I have to express
19 the urgency, that not only the
20 adoption of this plan, but working to
21 - implement its goals . And the last
22 thing that I would like to leave you
23 with. There was once a wise farmer
24 - -of Southampton and he said this -quote
25 and I heard it when I was a little
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1 - kid and it has continued to just
2 In-sp-i-re -me' every time I hear -it . He
3 said, "if you want to pollute it all,
4 _you won ' t have what ,y-ou ,came for . "
5 - And if the Town continues on its
6 track without a Comprehensive Plan,
7 without a game plan to tackle these
8 -changes, we ' re not going to -have what
9 we came for. Thank you very much.
10 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you.
11 - MS . RI-CKE: MY name is Barbara
12 Ricke (phonetic) , and I have lived
13 here for almost 50 years . And I get
14 - really depressed at times_, but there
13 - is my hope .
16 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you .
17 _MS_ WADE- iii-_ ley _name is Randy
18 - Wade and I became an urban planner
19 because I grew up in Silicon Valley
20 - California and I saw my little
21 - village of orchards completely
22 devastated by (In Audible . ) So thank
23 you so much. This is- completely
24 a-mazi-ng pian. A -huge amount of work
25 and I had admiration of what you have
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1 _ accomplished. I love the fact that
2 - you have -put -in here and because Its
3 all been very general -- I just
4 wanted to point out Page 7 of the
5 - Appendix. In Cutchogue for instance,
6 the build-out according to the
7 current zoning code would expand the
8 number of residential •unit-s by 41% .
9 Would expand commercial development
10 by 6530 . East Marion expand
11 commercial development by 1, 114% .
12 Mattituck housing increased by 310 .
13 Commercial by 1860 . Southold
14 , commercial, 321% . Dwelling .was 21%-.
15 So yeah, we really need to think
16 seriously about changes in the code .
17 - We have -,had the _speakers that
18 - prioritize water quality_ I was
19 surprised the water usage chapter
20 that -- there was -- one second.
21 - What is a problem is lawn sprinklers,
22 but we don' t mention anything else .
23 And I don' t -- I know I am not an
24 - -expert in farm agriculture, but there
25 was no mention -- very slight on how
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1 that affects our aquifer completion .
2 You know, -we could -start -fligurin-g out
3 what is happening with that -- those
4 machines on the pumps that could
5 - qua-ntify it . Thank you so much for
6 all your work.
7 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you . Would
8 - anyone else like to addres-s the Board?
9 MS . DELUCA: Hi . Thank you. My
10 name is Lisa DeLuca . I live in East
11 Marion. I want to thank you all so
12 much for this work. I feel it ' s
13 crucially important for the Town. I
14 - have been on the North Fork since the
1-5 1980-' s, and East Marion for 20 years,
16 and what is happening on Pebble Beach
17 _'arms is ve-ry _much -like -micro-c-ause
18 - of what will and could happen in the
19 Town . When we bought our house
20 _ there, our lawyer or one of the
21 - lawyers at closing cautioned us . He
22 said, you have to understand, you
23 cannot cut down all the trees on your
24 - property . There is covenants . There
25 is restrictions . There is agreements
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1 - and you have to leave it that way.
2 And -we -we-re like, -ye-s . S-ign -us -up .
3 It was never a problem. And we
4 thought it was _part of the homeowners
5 - association rules . In the past
6 couple of years, and we understood
7 that they didn ' t let the builders cut
8 - down. They only let them cut down
9 what they had to . But in the past
10 couple of years, the new homes
11 - started -going in. Clear-cutting the
12 lots . And our homeowner ' s
13 association has told us, there is
14 - nothing in the homeowners association
1-5 - regulations . So I don ' t know if it
16 was something in the subdivision
-17 . -approval_ -I do-n' t _kno-w i± there were
18 - covenants and restrictions . If there
19 are, they' re not being enforced. And
20 it ' s sad. Just sad. The whole
21 - character if the neighborhood is
22 changing . And people have asked you,
23 I think, you have an education
24 - component in the plan, and I think
25 that is really smart . Education and
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1 enforcement . Some of our new
2 - -nei-ghbo-rs -rho -wanted to get tick-s off
3 their property, took the advice of
4 landsca_pers, and cut down all the
5 - eve-rgree-n trees on their -property.
6 They were really old trees . And they
7 planted hedgerow -- I can ' t even
8 - think of the name of it . And they
9 actually attracted the deer. So now
10 the deer are all over their property
11 - eating this hedgerow. And they also
12 cut down all the trees . So they made
13 this nice sunny places . And now we
14 - see deer like sleeping on their
1-5 - property, which they never did
16 before . So I think one of the main
17 - so_ur_ce_s that -people get when they
18 - move out here and want to do
19 landscaping is from landscapers . I
20 don' t know how well versed the
21 - landscapers are with wild life
22 management issues or the goals of the
23 Town and how we value certain things
24 - and trees and things like that . If
25 the Town would partner with them, it
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1 - might add a voice of additional
2 - exparti-se and the -resou-roes -you -have
3 and authority. And not that you want
4 to tell people what to do on their
5 - -propert-y, I understand this is
6 America, but just to educate people .
7 I think they would be happy for these
8 - thing-s . Our neighbor would have
9 saved thousands of dollars if he had
z
10 proper information and I just think
11 - it ' s in the Town ' s best interest .
12 Also I see -- because we have lived
13 here for so long and we know so much
14 - about the aquifer-, but I see
1-5 - neighbors and they are out there just
16 spraying trees up and down with the
17 - pesticides and the Round-up -and
18 - walking around their property. And I
19 feel like I am living in a weird
20 twilight zone or something. Like we
21 - know this about the water, but yet,
22 how do people not know . And how do
23 they keep spraying all these
24 - p-e-sticides and everything . So I just
25 want to emphasize that I think the
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1 - education and possibly enforcement-, I
2 - -think -it would be lovely and
3 effective if the Town could get
4 involved in that . Also, with regard
5 - to the North Road, -you know, traffic
6 -- you all live here . You know
7 what ' s going on. It has doubled. We
8 - moved to -Pebble Beach Farms 20 year-s
9 ago. At that time, you didn ' t know
10 it was 4th of July or Memorial Day.
11 - There was no change in the traffic.
12 That was only 20 years ago . Look at
13 what is going on now. One time years
14 and years ago-, we drove to Vermont to
1"5 - get away. We drove for like three
16 hours and we ended up in this area in
17 - Vermont that loo-ked exactly like
18 Route 58 in Riverhead_ And it was so
19 depressing. Why did we just drive
20 for four hours to be here? And I am
21 - afraid that something like this is
22 going to happen to North Road. So I
23 am just concerned about what is going
24 - to -happen to the -North Road. And I
25 know zoning changes are really
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1 - difficult and that ' s the Town Board,
2 but I -w-a n t -to -thank -you f o-r -putt-In g
3 this together and for calling
4 attention to these issues because I
5 - think they' re crucial for all of us .
6 And I just also wanted to echo the
7 point about leaf blowers . I think
8 - the noise problem has to be
9 addressed. As a mental health
10 professional, I can tell you that
11 - noise and certain types of noises,
12 just so interfere with quiet
13 enjoyment of your property and
14 - quality of life-. And it would almost
1-5 - -be funny if it wasn' t so frustrating,
16 about 500 of the time, we have loud
17 - ho-use -in -our -subdivis-ion-. -It 's like
18 - you just sit down to dinner on the
19 deck and they start . We have to
20 - literally shout . So loud that you
21 - can-' t hear the person next to you . I
22 used to live in the Bronx . Same .
23 Same . So I think that is something
24 - that is going to have to be
25 addressed. People that I know that
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1 - really don ' t pay attention to these
2 - kinds -of 1-s-sues, say someth-in-g about
3 leaf blowers . Again, I just wanted
4 to thank _you . People suggested that
5 - you look to other communities . You
6 know, who have gone through these
7 things . And obviously the South Fork
8 - i-s clearly one of them. Was it
9 Martha Vineyards that we recently saw
10 something? And other communities
11 - have been able to do what you have
12 been trying to do . I agree really
13 that time is of the essence here .
14 - But I think there is hope that .we
1-5 - have to do this . And thank you for
16 doing it . Don ' t give up . And you
-17 . _can snake change _because 1 think we
18 - all can_
19 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Great . Thank
20 . you.
21 - MS . TRAVIS : Althea Travis . In
22 terms of other communities,
23 Largemouth, New York was one of the
2-4 - c-ommuniti-es -- the noise ordinances
25 (Inaudible) during summer season .
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1 _ You are only allowed to do that when
2 you have -the -heaviest leaf coverage.
3 So you might want to look to them.
4 And they were also the one that had
5 - the problem wit-h topsoil being -blown
6 off of their historic water front
7 park. So the park can no longer
8 - su-stain the historic tree-s that were
9 there . We have a significant number
10 of people here on the North Fork that
11 - had -(Inaudible) you probably know ,who
12 some of them are . I have had some
13 brief conversations with Ira Hasper .
14 - And I look at it -as a valuable way
13 - and resource -- dynamic -- caring for
16 the soil . Also people who deal -with
17 - using _n o w_a t er o_n their -law-ns, -by
18 - taking them sections at a time and
19 turning them into wildflower gardens,
20 _ they don' t have to be maintained.
21 - You can put red clover in your lawn
22 and it will attract lots of wonderful
23 wildlife, but no water is necessary.
2-4 - L-o-o k t-o -s-ome of t h-o s e people . T h e
25 lady at coffee pot summers does a lot
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1 _ of that in her environment . Long
2 - Island Beekeepers, they-'-re very
3 active on the island. People who
4 will regard that and applaud you .
5 - There is no need to water. We ' re not
6 making golf courses . Anything you
7 can do to help .
V CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank up.
9 MS . LICCIARDI : Hi . My name is
10 Stephanie Licciardi . And I would
11 - like to make a short comment on
12 behalf of one of my friends . I have
13 been a summer resident for 22 years
14 - and I only am 22 years old. So I
1-5 - -have -been coming out -here every
16 single summer for my entire life .
17 -And it has -been a -respite eve_-ry
18 - single year _ It is what I look
19 forward to . It ' s when I can finally
20breathe and take a break. My family
21 - is from the City and it ' s honestly so
22 hectic at times, that I itch to come
23 out here. So that I can be around
24 the calm atmosphere and be around the
25 nice people and feel the small town .
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1 _ The small town mood that makes this
2 - so -special and -that zs -why I think
3 this Comprehensive Plan is so
4 _ important because one of my
5 - -best-friends out here, she is 5
6 generations deep . Her family has
7 lived out here for so, long and
8 - hearing her -storie-s, makes me want to
9 provide the same experiences to my
10 future kids and my future
11 - grandchildren. When I am a
12 grandmother, I can show my grand kids
13 where I lived and all the fun I had.
14 _ So that we can all have the same
1-5 - experiences in this environment that
16 is so special to us . So I just
17 _ wanted to emphasize -- and this is to
18 - young people, that if we-' re all at
19 this same age and wacky hours, that
20 _ there would definitely be more young
21 - people here . So we' re here to speak
22 on behalf of them and you have all of
23 our support to protect the area . So
24 that we can provide our future kids
25 and grandchildren with the amazing
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1 _ lives that we have had so far .
2 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI-: Thank -you.
3 MS . CREEDON : My name is Catherine
4 Creedon. I am from Greenport . And
5 - there are a couple of -points that I
6 want to address . I have heard leaf
7 blowers and the pollution brought up
8 - -several time-s this evening. I want
9 to talk about air pollution as well .
10 About 30 minutes of yard work with a
11 - two-stroke leaf blower is equivalent
12 to the carbon output of a 3, 887 mile
13 drive in a Ford Raptor or the
14 - distance from Northern Texas to
1-5 - Anchorage -- Anchorage -- whatever,
16 Alaska . Leaf blowers emit many
17 carcino-gens into the air-. There .are
18 - a number of times when there was
19 issued a seasonal ban on leaf
20 blowers . Many of them in Westchester
21 - areas up island. So I think that the
22 Town should address noise pollution
23 as well as air pollution. I also
24 want to address the issue of
25 affordable housing . A lot of young
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1 - people-, we want to preserve the
2 - -nature here - So that -we can come
3 back and see it, but we also want to
4 be able to stay for monetary reasons .
5 - The development rates are driving the
6 cost of living up . So high. And
7 those of us who have graduated high
-8 - -school in the pa-st 10 year-s -or -so
9 cannot afford to stay. We ' re being
10 driven out, and seeing a situation
11 - becoming the really rich and the
12 people that work for them. So the
13 middle class is completely
14 - disappearing. It still -exists., -but
15 - as our parents age out and retire and
16 people move to Florida, our
17 - gen_er_ation cannot -af_fo-rd to st-ay__ So
18 - I really support the affordable
19 housing section of the Comprehensive
20 Plan. And I urge the Board to
21 - recommend it to the Town Board.
22 Thank you.
23 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you so
24 - much .
25 MR. SCHWARTZ : Good evening,
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1 _ again. Benja Schwartz-, Cutchogue . I
2 - have only -been here on -the North Fo-rk
3 for 50 years . I am privileged to
4 live in a house -- one of the first
5 - houses built in t-he -neighbo-rhood. It
6 was built as a hunting cabin. Before
7 we had the summer beach season, we
-8 had a winter hunting -season. The
9 North Fork Environmental Council
10 still has a slogan, "Save what is
11 - left . " I don ' t believe that is
12 enough. I also believe we need to
13 restore what is lost . And I believe
14 - we -can do it-. We not -only have to
1-5 - try, we -have to not only -know what we
16 want, we have to know how to get it .
17 - -I would _li-ke to mentio-n that -people
18 - want to read the plan, the easiest
19 way is to get it online and Google
20 - the Southold Town website _ And go
21 - down the page to popular link
22 section, where this is a link for the
23 _ new Comprehensive Plan. It says
24 t-h-er-e i-s a long file . Don ' t be
25 afraid. It ' s kind of hard to read it
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1 _ and digest it all at once . So one
2 - thing -you can hint and -d-o, -use -your
3 find keep control F and then you can
4 - search. For example, if ,you use the
5 - word, O-rganic, you will find that
6 there are four words of word
7 "Organic" in the entire plan . You
8 - can search for whatever you want . I
9 would like to also make mention here
10 of the reason and what the authority
11 - by which this Town is considering
12 adopting this plan, and the reason
13 we ' re here tonight, is pursuant to
14 New York State law-. And the New York
15 - State Law on Comprehensive Planning
16 that is relative here, is in the New
17 Yo-rk State Town -law, which _as 1.9
18 - chapters _ -One of which is zoning and
19 planning. And the Comprehensive Plan
20is stuck in the middle, buried in
21 - that zoning and planning. But the
22 section on Comprehensive Planning,
23 it ' s only 1, 480 words . Don' t be
24 - afraid, I am n-ot going t-o read it .
25 Maybe not all of it . I would like to
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1 read a few sections because there are
2 -a fe-w -section-s -that can an-saver some
3 of the questions that were asked in
4 the beginning of this meeting . One
5 - of the questions, if the Plan was -not
6 adopted, what happens to it? And
7 another question simplified, if the
,8 - Plan i-s adopted, what happen-s to it?
9 If I may, briefly take a few of those
10 words from the Town Law . The most
11 - important powers and duties -granted
12 by the State to the local government
13 is the authority and responsibility
1.4 - for undertaking Comprehensive
1-5 - Planning. To regulate land use for
16 the protection of public health,
17 - s_af e t y -and g en e_ral w elf are-_ -It _i s
18 - the intent of the New York State
19 legislature to encourage but not to
20 - require preparation and adoption of a
21 - Comprehensive Plan pursuant to this
22 section. Nothing here shall be
23 deemed to effect the status and
2-4 - validity -of existing Master Plan ' s,
25 Comprehensive Plans or Land Use
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1 - Plans ; however-, it goes on to
2 de-scr-ibe -the stat-u-s o-f -tho-s-e -plan-s -in
3 the Town of Southold. The current
4 status is that the Town is governed
5 - by many, many different -planning,
6 efforts and plans to different areas,
7 businesses, etcetera . Even in this
8 - -section, which provide-s for an
9 expressed Comprehensive Plan, which
10 we ' re considering a draft of tonight,
11 - says that the definition of Town
12 Comprehensive Plan means materials
13 and ( Inaudible) including but not
14 - limited to maps charts-, studies,
1-5 - resolutions, reports and any other
16 descriptive material . Identifying
17 the gn-als, -objectives-, prdncdp-les -and
18 - guidelines, etcetera _ I just can ' t
19 help but ask, but does the Village of
20 - Greenport have a Comprehensive Plan?
21 - Just very briefly, two more sections ,
22 No . 10, The Town Board shall provide --
23 if you make a plan, you must -- shall
24 - pr-ovide as a c-ompon-ent of such proposed
25 Comprehensive Plan. The maximum
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1 - intervals of which the adopted plan
2 shall be -reviewed. So -we -need -to add
3 something in there . Finally, effective
4 adoption of a Comprehensive Plan . All
5 - Town land use regulations must be in
6 accordance with the Comprehensive
7 Plan, adopted pursuant to this section .
8 - In other word-s , all of the previous
9 planning studies that have been done
10 in the history, and you can research
11 - them if you like, online or in the
12 Southold Town database . There is
13 hundreds of Planning studies . There
14 is a lot of good stuff there-. -So
1-5 _ essentially what we-' re doing here is
16 recommending to the Town Board to
17 -replace -- t-otally -replace all those
18 - studies but to reenact one plan to rule
19 them all . And I am not sure -- well,
20 let me just not -- let me just finish.
21 - One thing that is not a part of this
22 current plan, is about how the Town
23 works . The Town Board has a lot of
24 - power in the Town, but the Town Board
25 doesn ' t run the Town . The employees ,
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1 - the department heads and the various
2 - boards unde-rneat-h the Town Bo-a-rd,
3 Planning Board -- all play roles . The
4 - roles that they play, are part -- it ' s
5 - called the organizational cart of the
6 local government organization. I wrote a
7 letter to the editor a few week ago .
8 They changed my words and said
9 organizational charter . Totally
10 different thing . They didn' t get it .
11 - People don ' t get it _ This is -- this
12 word is not evident that you get it yet .
13 The organizational chart as opposed to
14 - the charter-, which is something that the
15 - State does to authorize the Town from
16 the beginning -- the chart is a
17 _living -- _it goes by certain rules but
18 - it ' s also about the plans and the
19 policies . I think it ' s great to have
20 - expressed policies and expressed plans .
21 - But that doesn-' t substitute for the
22 individual or their understanding.
23 Anyway, I will shut up. I just wanted a
24 - -sens-e here . Please support the
25 Comprehensive Plan . And please support
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1 - implementation of Comprehensive
2 Plannl-ng and continuing planning. Thank
3 you.
4 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you .
5 - MS . HARRI-SON: Louise Harrison,
6 Peconic . I won ' t repeat what I have
7 heard tonight . I have heard a lot of
8 - great comment-s, as you have. You
9 have been very patient . You have
10 done great work. This Comprehensive
11 - Plan in -my view should be adopted and
12 promoted. But I wanted to commend
13 the Town of Southold for something
14 - that took place in the -planning
1-5 - process six years ago . It-' s in the
16 Comprehensive Plan . May have
17 forgotten about it no_w-, but 1 -am
18 - going to bring it back to life
19 because this is something that I talk
20 - about almost every day in my job. In
21 - my job working for Save the Sound, I
22 am promoting a preservation of Plum
23 Island. And six years ago, the Town
24 - -of S-outh-old adopted zoning for Plum
25 Island for it not to become privately
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1 _ held. In the visionary way_, it has
2 - expres-sed -recommendation -in -your
3 document, but it ' s actually come to
4 fruition . I not only want to thank
5 - you for it, -but I would li-ke to let
6 you know that this is something that
7 people already in Washington D . C . ,
8 - know about . There is a senator in
9 Wisconsin who knows about this right
10 now. There is senate and U . S .
11 - Representative staffers in D.C. , who
12 know about this right now. The
13 governor of the State of New York and
14 - his staff now know about this
1-5 - visionary zoning that the Town of
16 Southold undertook to help to protect
17 - -Plum Zs-land-. -And why do they a l l
18 - know this-? Because in my job and
19 with the steering committee for the
20 , preservation for Plum Island., we not
21 - only applaud that visionary zoning,
22 but we used it to make the case for
23 why Plum Island should be preserved.
24 - As you -may recall, we zoned Plum
25 Island into two categories for
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1 research zone and conservation zone .
2 - I don-'-t know any -oche-r Town-'-s in the
3 State of New York that have done
4 - that . It has set out the roadmap for
5 - us on how we can protect Plum Island.
6 We know that we need the jobs that
7 Plum Island is loosing when the
8 - facility clo-ses done and the workers
9 will be transferred to the National
10 Agro Bio Facility in Kansas .
11 - Basically saw the agreement between
12 the Department of Homeland Security
13 and the USDA. To transfer the new
14 - facility over from Homeland Security
15 to US DA. I was started to see that
16 only 33 job titles are being
17 tr an.s-fe=e d to the -new -facility in
18 - Kansas _ Now there are approximately
19 400 employees on Plum Island . That
20 is a huge job loss coming our way.
21 - And the fact that six and seven years
22 ago when you were working on this
23 plan for Plum Island, you had the
24 - plan t-o call the Research -- that was
25 not just strong or visionary, that
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1 _ was bold and the right thing to do .
2 - And the Cons e-rvat-ion D-i-st-rlct,
3 likewise. New York has sent
4 scientists out there to look at all
5 - the plants and ecological and species
6 on Plum Island, and understand better
7 on why that area should be preserved.
8 - In the first week of September, my
9 agency is funding divers to go into
10 the New York State waters around
11 - Plum Island begin understanding what
12 is on the bottom there. And the
13 State of New York Assembly and Senate
14 - just -- a month ago-, -passed a bill
1-5called the Marine Mammal and Sea
16 Turtle protection area, which draws a
17 -boundary ax-o_und _P-lum _Is1.an.d .and the
18 - (Inaudible) Islands, all within the
19 Town of Southold . Within which it ' s
20 asking the DEC to look at the marine
21 - mammals and sea turtles and come up
22 with additional protection measure,
23 beyond those that are already
24 - afforded. And we ' re hoping that the
25 governor will sign this . Do you see
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1 _ what you have set in motion? On just
2 one sl-ive-r of the Town because of
3 your visionary work. I want to thank
4 you for it and let _you know that your
5 - work is wildly known -now up and down
6 the east coast . Congratulations and
7 thank you.
8 - CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Thank you.
9 Anybody else would like to make a
10 comment to the Board?
11 - (No Response . )
12 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Seeing none,
13 thank you all very much for all your
14 - input and comments-. Everything has .been
1-5 - recorded here this eventing. And all of
16 your comments will be taken into
17 . ooms_ider-ati.o-n -and be addressed-. -The
18 - Planning Board has worked with this plan
19 for almost 10 years . We feel that based
20 on all the public input that we have,
21 - incorporated into over time -- we feel it
22 is ready to be turned over to the Town
23 Board; however, we have heard your
24 - -comments tonight and we want to take some
25 time to consider them before taking the
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1 - next step and recommending the plan to
2 -the Boa-rd. We will close -the he-a-r-ing
3 tonight and make a decision on our next
4 _ step of this plan, at a future public
5 meeting after a discussion with the Town
6 Board. We will accept written comments
7 to August 5th to the Planning Department
8 - and we will also accept in written form
9 any comments to the Town Board after
10 the 5th. If you still have questions
11 - about the plan or this -process, the Town
12 Board is hosting a bunch of informational
13 meetings . We will all be there . It will
14 - be in August at several locations-
1-5 - There is a list outside on the table .
16 The handout tells you the times and the
17 locations .a s w e.11 a s the summary o-n g o-in g
18 forward_ There will be information at
19 these meetings . Thank you all very much
20 . for taking the time to participate, and
21 - you all of the Southold Town who made
22 this possible . And on behalf of the
23 Planning Board and the whole Planning
24 - Department, we thank you wholeheartedly
25 for all your support . Thank you.
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1 _ And with that., I would like a
2 - -mo-t-i n.
3 MEMBER RICH: Mr. Chairman, I will
4 _ make a motion to close the hearing
5 - and keep time for comments till
6 August 5th.
7 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Motion made my
8 - Jim.
9 MEMBER EISENSTEIN: Second.
10 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Seconded by
11 - Mary.
12 All in favor?
13 MEMBER RICH: Aye .
14 . MEMBER S I DOR: Aye..
15 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Aye .
16 MEMBER EISENSTEIN : - Aye .
17 - CHAIRMAN W_LL CEN S KI: -Aye.
18 - Opposed?
19 (No Response . )
20 CHAIRMAN WILCENSKI : Motion
21 - carries, 5-0 .
22 Thank you all very much.
23
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25 concluded. )
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